oh okay, thanks
#h1-builds-and-combat
astral abyss
loud elk
yeah i was surprised to learn that the duo-boons actually had requirements
astral abyss
found it
loud elk
i just figured you had to have one boon from each of the duo's
and then you could find the duo boon. turns out its specific boons sometimes
placid plinth
I usually hate how items aftere Sisyphus summon block movement and shots, but right now they helped me immensely by blocking final boss pew-pew lasers
granite vine
15 keys for a Titan Blood 
placid plinth
And like that, I just finished 11 heat run with each weapon
native ether
You're guaranteed to be at least offered a shop at the end of a floor (in 90% of all cases, there's like 1 exception) so don't worry too much about missing a mid shop floor
loud elk
personally i only use the shop on the second and the last floor
unless i managed to run into a couple coin troves, im skippin'
native ether
How much I use the shop is entirely dependent on how good I'm doing in a run more than the amount of money I have tbh.
drifting briar
Hmm, how do you guys play with the shield? What kind of hammer and god-specific boons ya roll with?
native ether
Honestly for shield, practically anything works
It's very much down to preference cause the weapon is so good.
I don't play shield like ever though, so some more shield players feel free to chime in :p
turbid needle
I'm a fan of Chaos Aspect and Sudden Rush.
drifting briar
Same, but had an itch to try something new today, so was mostly curious...
granite vine
bouncy doom is pretty fun
native ether
How much I use the shop is entirely dependent on how good I'm doing in a run more than the amount of money I have tbh.
This is because especially in a high heat run, if I'm doing really bad, I use shops to dodge combat rooms that could get me killed and get through a biome faster. I sometimes also use them to dodge Asphodel minibosses if I have Middle Management on (because Middle Management on the Asphodel encounters is ridiculously unreasonable atm and not worth the difficulty)
It would be nice if dashing would reset the damage lava did since it's easy to dash from lava to lava by mistake during the extreme measures hydra fight due to the ditches cutting the arena.
Sometimes it's really hard to see what's happening in the Alecta fight due to the red filter that goes up when she powers up, could this visual be changed?
Reduce the amount of spawns in Elysium when using overtime. It's almost impossible to get through in time and have enough time to fight the bosses in 7 minutes, even when dodging encounters via shops/Patrocles.
Please add a hammer weapon stuck_out_tongue```
For future reference, please make each of those a separate feedback cause I agree with a couple but disagree with others and can't really vote on it. :p
@stiff stone(sorry for the double ping lol, couple of us had the same idea)
wooden lodge
holy poop sacks
Ok guys
I take back everything I said
Aphrodite is absolutely insane
I'm not convinced she and Ares are the number one combo
I feel like Aphrodite and maybe Poseidon are better
but my god
her 25% charm legendary effect is just insane
I never used a death defiance in the Hades fight
I just hit him too fast, he kept getting charmed right before attacking me
stoic ginkgo
Aphrodite is the best god
turbid needle
Klok had Hunting Blades, though, which is the best boon in the game.
Did you use them much in that fight? Looks like you would've kept Hades locked down with Charm while they did the lion's work of the damage.
stoic ginkgo
She has the highest damage scaling and weak is really good
crimson geyser
is there a maximum number of gods that you can have boons from in a single run?
stoic ginkgo
Hunting blades is op
turbid needle
Either four or five.
stoic ginkgo
Sadly, Ares cast is kinda meh without it
turbid needle
Hunting Blades is the Duo between Artemis and Ares. It turns your Slicing Shot into a homing attack, with much better tracking than normal Casts.
Yeah, if you don't have both Engulfing Vortex and Vicious Cycle Slicing Shot by itself is not great.
stoic ginkgo
Hunting blades + Vicious Cycle is basically a free win in most cases
turbid needle
Also yes.
left timber
hearty owl
two questions first how do i know how many death defiance i have and second does replenish death defiance add extra one if im at full?
pastel jolt
- look above your health bar, there's little icons representing the death defiances
- no, there's a cap of 3 when the mirror upgrade is at max (plus a 4th from chaos if you get their legendary boon)
hearty owl
the icon above the hp does not show how many i have
stoic ginkgo
Well there is the one from the keepsake too
hearty owl
oh thanks
there is one icon like the one above and a second one that looks like blood what is that?
stoic ginkgo
That is a DD stack that was restored from something like Kiss of Styx
hearty owl
oh thanks
wooden lodge
Aphrodite's playstyle is boring, but my god is it reliable with the shield at least https://i.imgur.com/BbaRnxj.jpg
I went Aphrodite and Zeus, and Zeus's dash did WORK
stoic ginkgo
Weak is very strong. It basically doubles your hp
grim adder
2 boon battle, Sisyphus, or a trip through erebus for a pom, what do you pick?
untold widget
what wep?
grim adder
chiron bow with dino on special
untold widget
what boons?
grim adder
artemis and dino
untold widget
i'd probably go for that, unless you really want to pump the special
grim adder
I'm leaning towards the god battle, yeah
wooden lodge
is Rupture good?
grim adder
yeah
grim adder
it combines very well with knockback
wooden lodge
not sure if that's per tick or sth
grim adder
and it counts as a status effect
wooden lodge
It's an epic boon
untold widget
its also very reliable for the bonus you get for having 2 curses
grim adder
it's just not very good against bosses for doing damage
fallen rover
Finally tried out the Poseidon+zeus combo with Railgun
Was a fun build, 1min10sec Hades kill. Decimating everything else
stoic ginkgo
What mirror choices do you guys usually do when you are doing Tight Budget?
I have been toying around with a few things and was wondering what other people do
solid cairn
Pretty much always death defiance
karmic ginkgo
how do you get the special relics? i geuinly dont get how
turbid needle
Legendary Keepsakes?
karmic ginkgo
ye
solid cairn
What are those again?
turbid needle
There are four unique story events that will happen concerning some characters. Just keep talking to them, giving them Nectar, and follow what the story is asking you to do, and then you will get the chance to give them some Ambrosia.
Give them Ambrosia and you'll get the Keepsake.
solid cairn
Oh those
opal bay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/664933585480056841/20200109234630_1.jpg so I have Flurry Slash that deals 25 damage per each strike, rapid attack and I have +184% damage to it. Have I gone a bit too much with the Chaos Boons?
solid cairn
No
opal bay
Okay then more chaos boons then
solid cairn
Do you have Hermes attack speed
opal bay
haven't been lucky yet with such
mighty ermine
pray for hermes to descend and make the run as ridiculous as possible
opal bay
I mean it is ridiculous, if I do my special it stacks up my crit chance about 45%
stoic ginkgo
You can never have too many chaos boons
solid cairn
Chaos is so good
Also idk if this is controversial but I think Sisyphus has the best companion definitely
stoic ginkgo
I like Skelly for higher heats
opal bay
I got Hermes but he didn't offer me attack speed up, instead special speed up
I guess I go with it considering special increases my crit chance overall
stoic ginkgo
Heroic Hermes attack speed is 39%, right?
stoic ginkgo
Probably
charred oar
is hades supposed to have 992 conversations left
stoic ginkgo
@charred oar yes
solid cairn
I believe so
charred oar
are there 992 actual conversations lmao
solid cairn
Should I be turning my diamonds into ambrosia? I keep only seeing music sheets at the contractor and those aren’t gonna help me in gameplay
deep vault
have you gotten Sisyphu's trinket? not the keepsake, the trinket
solid cairn
Yes
I have all of them expect Than’s
Sisy’s is level 4
Meg’s is 2
Skelly’s is 3
deep vault
I mean, then go for it I guess
though I'd save some for future updates
since you'll likely be able to free the others who are bound by old contracts with diamonds later on
serene nexus
Keep in mind The final boss theme is 10 diamonds and Good Riddance is 3-4
solid cairn
I don’t care about the music right now lol
turbid needle
Instant access to God of the Dead is important.
solid cairn
?
opal bay
well finished the run, killed hades quite quickly, if not for his shields and him cloaking a few times, a lot of damage on attack is gud.
limpid tapir
He spawned greatshields during your run? Owch.
Chariots and greatshields are the worst.
untold widget
i got greatswords once but it was a run i had the projectile slow so i basically ignored them haha
novel python
I have noticed something. After I've beat the game, I can play as clumsy as I want at the beginning, I'll never lose in Tartarus.
Well, if it's not too high heat
untold widget
3 DDs helps with that :P
novel python
I have barely gotten to half hp
In Furies fight
There are rare moments in Aspho when I lose DDs
But then patro comes to save the run
untold widget
the earliest i'll normally lose DD unless im royally screwing up is Hydra
untold widget
mm.
novel python
Hmm how would a Hera run work with poseidon cast 🤔
novel python
Ayyy, gj
untold widget
run like 25
turbid needle
It works normally.
untold widget
it was on an absolute pile of a chaos shield run
turbid needle
Whenever the arrow lands it "fires" the Bloodstones.
novel python
I mean, is it close to Dio or Aphro runs?
turbid needle
They'll still travel after the first blows the target backwards.
novel python
I know that it'll work the same, I was mostly wondering if it's gonna be as good as my other hera runs
novel python
Also, if you get the boon that deals bonus damage when smashing enemies into walls
Get it
100%
novel python
It worked wonders with Chiron bow
limpid tapir
Yeah. I agree with Poseidon, to make him good you have to really go hard on him imo
It's not like how a single dip into Athena dash is amazing 😛
untold widget
sure
limpid tapir
Knockback isn't that strong of an effect period, imo
limpid tapir
Bosses can't be knocked back which makes me a sad panda
I really wish they did something.
novel python
Yep doesn't work on bosses but you're gonna get wet on Styx, no pun intended.
limpid tapir
Oh yeah. Second Wave, Poseidon Cast, Hera Bow, Fully Loaded.
You fire one arrow and the room ceases to exist.
novel python
If I kill myself on purpuse on hydra do I keep the world splitter prophecy I got this run
World splitter is fun indeed but hard to control with the knockback on hit
turbid needle
Yes.
karmic ginkgo
i uh
i just beart
just beat the final boss in under a minute
lemmie ttell you
hunting blades plus burst shot is naaasty
novel python
Yep
karmic ginkgo
Yeah
Its some nasty stuff
deep vault
Cast bow + burst shot + festive fog + zeus duo boon + Hermes boon that makes your casts return to you instantly is
veeeeery tasty
turbid needle
Yup!
stable fossil
which means if you have heightened security active they do 400%-800% damage
turbid needle
Yuuuuup.
stable fossil
At the very freaking least you should be told that
serene nexus
I think lava counts as traps as well.
serene nexus
Should just be (environmental damage) honestly
mild crag
Sure does, it still doubles every tick too
serene nexus
Took 11 damage on a single tick
mild crag
Well not doubles but a multiple of the first value
serene nexus
Thank god I didn’t have the EX hydra fight set up
stable fossil
the reason this makes me mad
is because the pots are an attack
NOT
an environmental trap that spawns at the start of the fight
so why would they be affected?
mild crag
Does it make you angrier that the landmines thrown out by pots in Tartarus and Styx don't count as traps
crimson geyser
since hell mode starts with 5 heat, are you able to get bounties for 5 clears in a row without increasing heat?
mild crag
Nah bounties start from 5
crimson geyser
ah
lame
i'm betting hell mode will get a significant overhaul at some point, doesn't seem very popular
stable fossil
@mild crag YES
THAT INFURIATES ME
THOSE ARE LITERAL LANE MINES
<MKJHBIYUVTCRYVGHBJKL WHERE IS MY CONSISTENCY HADES?
mild crag
turbid needle
Deep breaths.
stable fossil
novel python
Whenever I hear Orpheus sing Good RIddance I feel sad.
stable fossil
anyone know the reqs for hermes legendary boon off the top of their head?
stable fossil
that's it?
mild crag
And you should be able to get either of them
chrome viper
tbf mines aren't exactly physical, and they're also the only attack pests have, while Hades literally spawns urns that read as destructible (and obviously dangerous) objects
novel python
Quick tip, if you don't have a good enough GPU never play Chiron bow with Zeus special
It'll fry your GPU
chrome viper
but yeah you could argue that mines should count as traps
novel python
Add in some double lightning chance and you can cook eggs on that
stable fossil
maybe I am being to technical/nitpicky, but not other boss has an attack that is affected by the damage boost besides the hydra lava spew, which works like regular lava so they don't need to tell you its a trap.
chrome viper
urns work like any explosive urns you've seen in the game too
stable fossil
no they dont
you trigger an urn and a red flashing indicator shows the damage radius for several seconds before they explode and kill everything
the urns instantly deploy a small stun field that does damage
chrome viper
mb I meant to say they both work as traps
stable fossil
and I am trying to say they shouldnt
maybe im too salty rn because it cost me a good run
mild crag
Salt aside it is a strange distinction they drew
Traps has a certain implication which is not covered by that
And tbf neither is lava
It even says lava kill instead of trap kill doesn't it
chrome viper
it doesnt
stable fossil
I don't even need them to change how it works I just want more clarity
mild crag
Maybe I was seeing things
stable fossil
when it kills enemies it does say lava kill
I dont think it does when it kills you
mild crag
Explosive urns aren't really that much of a trap either they sort of just there
Maybe if it said traps, lava and urns
Then it would include hades urns
stable fossil
now that I know the urns hades make count as traps I won't be caught off guard and lose 2 dd's because I panic dash thinking it's the wave attack and not the urn hand pools of green death
total hp lost
glad mica
lava definitely says lava kill
stable fossil
515
chrome viper
Even though I think lava is the only one that feels like a stretch, they probably should change the term to ''hazards'' instead of traps or something like that
glad mica
im on a 10 min hydra run rn boiz
stable fossil
like a, the floor is lava
sinful shale
Anyone have a build type for high heat with sword? I have been struggling to get to heat 10~
stable fossil
nemesis crit
stable fossil
start with a artemis boon and grab anything that boosts crit chance on your regular attacks or special as your first boon
or pick different heats
fallen rover
I've been doing casts build fairly well at like heat 15 with poseidon sword
Artemis cast with double cast is all you actually need, if you get ammo it's even better. Along with the other crit perks. The more the merrier
Combine with athena for duo
pearl scaffold
whos your favorite character, personality wise?
turbid needle
Hypnos.
serene nexus
Zag
serene nexus
Except Theseus
mild crag
You blackguard
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/664603855841132555/664959925415313440/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 bounty or duo? both are good since it's so early game but not sure which one would be more impactful
turbid needle
The bounty IS the Duo.
Oh, Ocean's Bounty.
I thought you were talking about Fated Prophecy.
novel python
Nah
turbid needle
I'd take Sweet Nectar.
novel python
How does that interact with already blessed poms?
turbid needle
+3 levels.
ashen bloom
any predictions on when the game/story will be finished?
novel python
Nice
pearl scaffold
id pick sweet nectar as well
ashen bloom
I'm thinking aobut starting over, so I don't want to give my all until it's fisihed
turbid needle
I think the very final story elements will only be put in place on the release build.
ashen bloom
hmm
they have an olympian and a weapon to add, story might be finished around august/september maybe :/ quite far
fallen rover
We get an Olympian this month
Then it's a new weapon and a new aspect for all the weapons
deep vault
After playing this game ever since it got released on day one I finally maxed out the mirror ;w;
mild crag
stable fossil
Soooo can you stack rupture?
mild crag
Gud luck frend
stable fossil
made it back to hades, this time knowing about the pot damage buff
stable fossil
my game crashed during the cutscene and I might have just lost the run 
mild crag
icy sedge
A question do you get 5 gem stones as reward or 25?
mild crag
From whut
icy sedge
Clearing rooms
stoic crest
5
icy sedge
Saw simeone on youtube getting 25 whats that about
stoic crest
got a link?
icy sedge
Search wanderbots
icy sedge
Not right now
stable fossil
I just broke Hades AI@mild crag
stoic crest
well they have 74 hades videos, roughly an hour each
stable fossil
He ran back and forth to the same to spots over and over and let me mow down his entire phase to hp bar
icy sedge
Just see the last one
abstract pilot
i've definitely gotten asterius stuck for around 10 seconds on the pickups from sisyphus companion... wonder if there's a way to make that more consistent
mild crag
@stable fossil how'd you do that lol
novel python
Megaera gave me the "I'm only doing this because I have to" speech, I guess that means I'm close to giving her ambro?
spark vigil
pretty sure that's a random dialogue she has, nothing with a trigger, might be wrong
novel python
Something appeared on top of the screen, "unlocking" some hearts for her
glad mica
gotta love having a hera bow glitch that gets rid of your cast entirely so you lose a death defy during elysium
spark vigil
I got that glitch during a hades fight, casts were my main damage, as normal for a hera run, felt pretty miffed
stable fossil
@mild crag bruh I wish I freaking knew
saved my run
I had 32 hp left and no death defies left going into the second half of his second phase
My brother just crit with hera bow for 2k
....
mild crag
Then he just bork
stable fossil
yeah he just broke
I sat in one spot and shot him as he ran back and forth for about a full minute
mild crag
Man hades is getting slapped today lol
stable fossil
well if his conversations during fights counter towards his 999 convo counter maybe I would be nicer too him
onyx flint
is it ok to trade ambrosia for titan blood? theres only 4 summons right?
do i need more than 4 ambrosia?
spark vigil
to upgrade them
but trading ambrosia early game can be useful since it takes time to unlock the interraction that needs them
onyx flint
thanks
potent wedge
dumb question, was told to start hell mode early as it needs a new profile, but it seems in this mode i can't take shadow out of the mirror, is this a permanent effect for the save, or is there a way to reset it
potent wedge
ty sorry to bother
it's probably the same in normal but i forgot as there's no default cap
pastel jolt
ahah, i remember now - the conversation that unlocks refunding can only come up once you've acquired at least 100 darkness in total
cyan snow
What is the comparison between Hell Mode and Normal?
candid merlin
Hell Mode you start with 5 Heat that you can't change
and the immunity thing goes away after you receive 100% of your health as dmg
Oh and hell mode has a unique heat among those 5
royal yarrow
What immunity thing
candid merlin
Impervious I think
potent wedge
the immunity thing is the unique one
candid merlin
Oh right
potent wedge
in normal mode after you take X damage you get a breif invul period
candid merlin
Also on hell mode you can't play with less heat than your current
potent wedge
in hell you don't
royal yarrow
That modifier?
candid merlin
Huh didn't know that Rook
royal yarrow
Huh thought there was something else
candid merlin
I'm on a 11 winstreak in hell mode using various aspects, the game feels kinda easy after you understand it tbh
royal yarrow
Wait about the heat
You mean that
If you up your heat on hell mode you need to keep it that way?
candid merlin
^
royal yarrow
You can't turn it back down?
royal yarrow
So if you do 5 and then jump to 10 you just screwed yourself of resources?
pastel jolt
you gain bounties one level at a time regardless of how high you set heat to
potent wedge
good call, thanks!
candid merlin
That makes sense
candid merlin
I think he answered your question
pastel jolt
if you complete the game at 1 heat and then jump to 10, your next completion will be the bounty for 2
royal yarrow
Ah
pastel jolt
“they” if you were referring to me, @candid merlin ^^
royal yarrow
But you will need to earn the rest of them at 10 heat
Ok got it
Yeah forgot about that
full flame
royal yarrow
Woah
spark vigil
whistle
royal yarrow
Btw what's the best boon to start a game with
spark vigil
artemis attack imo
royal yarrow
You should start with keepsake from a God right?
spark vigil
artemis keepsake
royal yarrow
To ensure your build
spark vigil
I really freaking love artemis ok?
royal yarrow
Same
spark vigil
nah, usually I start with hypnos or chaos egg
spark vigil
then I accord my keepsake to turn my starting build into a viable one
deep bluff
yo is athena the weakest one or what
i legit never choose her boon if i have a choice
royal yarrow
She has a good dash
spark vigil
athena is all you need to get tanky at the end of a build
deep bluff
yknow what i actually agree
royal yarrow
But when it comes to damage I find anything that's not Artemis or dionisus to be subpar
deep bluff
her dash is the only redeeming boon
royal yarrow
She has another one that reduces all your incoming damage by a percentage
That's ok too I guess
glad mica
a lot of diff gods have that
however if you think dio and art are the only good offensive gods ur just wrong lmao
glad mica
ares has insane cast and call damage
spark vigil
O_O
absolutely, positively not
it can seem so but doom hits like a TRUCK if you know how to
royal yarrow
Compared to the other 2 absolutely yes
mild crag
allow me to introduce merciful end
spark vigil
my quickest runs have been carried by the Doom
mild crag
try a merciful end run with like shield special doom and deflect dash
and you will see the true power
spark vigil
spear run, doom on attack, dire misfortune, pressure points
royal yarrow
What does merciful end does
royal yarrow
🧐
deep bluff
rail + doom + the stacking boon + delayed doom + art everything crit
deep bluff
probably highest singlem target dps
royal yarrow
Eeeeeh
mild crag
yeee
spark vigil
nah I remember
mild crag
merciful end is
spark vigil
my biggest crit was a hestia rail run
mild crag
either that or hunting blades with black metal or whatever it is
royal yarrow
Yep
spark vigil
but doom comes close second
spark vigil
ahahaha
deep bluff
anyone else get mild depression when thanatos appears in elysium and start summoning armored shield dudes
spark vigil
ahahahah
or chariots
I also get very tired of life when the final boss summons butterfly balls
deep bluff
yeah those things makes me want to learn game modding just to remove them when i'm playing sword
spiral linden
The megagorgon sounds like a power rangers antagonist
deep bluff
the last time he got the gorgon i just tried to ignore it and kill him
royal yarrow
Gorgon Is the thing that lifts up and then tries to crush you?
spark vigil
I also get depressed when I get both asterius and the godawful butterfly of atrocity back to back
that would be the cyclop heads but yeah, the megagorgon spawns with one
royal yarrow
Ah the Medusa thing
I don't mind that as much as the Cyclops head
Most annoying thing in the game
spark vigil
yeah wait until the final boss summons two giant medusa back to back
you'll bawl and shriek
deep bluff
i'd still take that over shield dudes though
spark vigil
when they are alone they are not so annoying to deal with
royal yarrow
Oh yeah those are bad too
spark vigil
they obnoxiousness is only a factor of how many ennemies you have to deal with them at the same time
not gonna lie, they ruined some runs of mine
but not as much as those spear jabbing lunatic jumping from half the map and using their deceptive hitbox to stab me through the guts before I even get out of the door animation
royal yarrow
The exploding carts tho
royal yarrow
Such a big waste of time
spark vigil
not gonna lie here...
deep bluff
yeah elysium is just 1 annoying enemy after the other
royal yarrow
Agree
spark vigil
at least it's not boring like asphodel
spark vigil
asphodel is the weak point of the game for me
spark vigil
daddy degrand raised a interesting point about asphodel and why it is boring
what do you get in EVERY bossfight save for the hydra, while entering?
be it the furies, the beef duo, the spoiler
a dialogue
sometime even a little bit of secret like theseus with yarn of ariadne
what do you get when you enter the hydra?
HSSFFSSSSSFFSSSSS
compact niche
I mean, to be fair I don't think the Hydra can talk
spark vigil
yeah but that combined with the arena design of "the floor is lava, the walls are lava, the roof is lava, the world is a cactus enjoy the suffering"
is making it a point in which I just wish I get over it as quick as possible
rigid finch
Don't you just enjoy the advanced hydra fight with 800% trap damage?
spark vigil
don't talk to me about the reason I fell back into crippling depression
onyx flint
I won my first run 
https://i.gyazo.com/1e926e3dd2ccc1846f921a353a6b2f17.jpg
spark vigil
gg!
compact niche
Nice! I still have yet to beat it with the bow. Someday.
spark vigil
greater recall on a hera run.....
onyx flint
it was a really op run lol, I had two hermes legendaries and a poseidon legendary
spark vigil
WHY can't I NEVER get that?!!!
deep bluff
poseidon legendary is so fun in styx
normal sleet
my first (and only clear) at 31 runs was with the bow
mvp was probably greater beyblade call
spark vigil
turning every room in murder pinball
deep bluff
too bad it sucks so bad in boss fights
onyx flint
Priveleged Status is so strong
spark vigil
yep!
onyx flint
i had rupture on dash and exposed on my attack
and dionysus call
trying to make sure it was up as much as possible
stable fossil
@deep bluff if you get the tracking boon that makes them homing it's some of the highest dps in the game
untold widget
got my first chance at spread fire, what are good boons to go for? i got it very early on
all i have is zeus attack
deep bluff
@stable fossil what do you mean
spark vigil
nuka, pardon my question but I just want to confirm or deny my hunch, are you by any chance francophone?
stable fossil
Ares Cast right?
There is a duo betwene him and Artemis that makes them track towards the nearest enemy
Ares legendary makes them do one more point of damage every time they tick a point of damage on an enemy
spark vigil
seldom drops, learnt it the hard way while starting a hera bow run with ares cast....Wasn't fun
deep bluff
no no i was saying that poseidon boons suck in boss fights not ares
stable fossil
oh
@spark vigil you're going to hate me, but I got all the Ares cast related boons on my first Hera run
untold widget
what should i aim for for spread fire?
stable fossil
and yeah Poseidon does suck for bosses unless you have REAAAALLY good positioning
untold widget
on attack?
stable fossil
@untold widget I don't use ti I have no idea prolly dio or Aphro
spark vigil
so you stack poison quicker
stable fossil
they have a combo that lets you get more stacks
untold widget
kk ty
stable fossil
you need a weakness to apply it though
spark vigil
OR
stable fossil
Dio Zeus
spark vigil
zeus + poseidon duo
untold widget
do you know prereq for dio?
spark vigil
shove everyone in the corner with an ultra knockback shotgun
stable fossil
yeah let me pull it up
deep bluff
dio zeus is dope
stable fossil
Aphrodite: Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Shatter Shot, or Passion Dash
Dionysus: Blight Strike, Blight Flourish, or Nasty Dash
untold widget
kk ty
stable fossil
you need one of those to get the boon to spawn
frozen canyon
how does hermes boons, special speed and attack speed, affect the shield?
stable fossil
one of each*
spark vigil
special speed: shield flies faster, attack speed: more hit per second
stable fossil
@frozen canyon bull rush charges faster and basic attacks, you just gotta mash harder
frozen canyon
does the the attack increase the charge speed? does the special speed increase the speed you cast the shields or the speed the shields travel?
oh okay
hard decision then, thanks tho
stable fossil
pretend it's Super Smash Brothers Melee and you're trying to wave dash, but using the attack button
spark vigil
what aspect do you use?
spark vigil
attack speed then
chaos shield
definitely attack speed for faster bullrush and procing
frozen canyon
do you actually charge that faster?
stable fossil
I hate trying to bull rush. It doesn't fit my play style
frozen canyon
its epic so maybe right
spark vigil
try it, a hermes boon is never bad
frozen canyon
@stable fossil same i had a rough time at the start
stable fossil
I much prefer sword combos and using the bow to pop someone for 900 damage with a crit with an Artemis build.
Nemesis
Hades
Zag
Hera
Eris
my choices
spark vigil
you gotta love the hestia aspect of the rail bro....
frozen canyon
i feel like charge didnt get faster xDDD
spark vigil
just....try the hestia
hollow sorrel
I wish I liked Artemis when I'm using a sword. It just feelsbad that her status ailment is the worst, and doesn't help proc privileged very well
spark vigil
you'll love it
stable fossil
I will once I max it with titan blood
spark vigil
good idea
stable fossil
Unpopular Opinion: I like doom
frozen canyon
i like doom on bow tbh
spark vigil
Doom is amazing
hollow sorrel
another unpopular opinion: i like doom on chaos shield special, to doom all the trash at once
stable fossil
Doom on regular bow special
frozen canyon
i rather have it on attack
spark vigil
doom on chiron with dire misfortune
stable fossil
nah because then you can hit 9 people at once
frozen canyon
i line a lot of my shots so everything gets doom, the bow having native piercing attack its so good
spark vigil
they ftftftftftft then they POP
stable fossil
unlessyou have dire misfortune you don't benefit from multiple doom procs
onyx flint
Chiron bow doom on attack and aphro special
deep bluff
aphro atack and dio special
stable fossil
Chrion bow Poseidon special with Second Wave
stable fossil
x18 knockback
deep bluff
does it knock back multiple times though lol
stable fossil
you CAN wall slam the Minotaur at the very least
yes it does
each arrow applies the knockback effect
and Second Wave makes it proc twice
deep bluff
then why does zeus special not work like that
spark vigil
that's a weird thing
deep bluff
because that's wack
spark vigil
when you have the zeus special
drifting briar
Do you unlock weapon aspects in order of some sort? Like for the shield do I need to unlock Zag aspect before I can get Chaos for it unlocked/purchase?
spark vigil
it doesn't apply one bolt per shot
stable fossil
@drifting briar no
hollow sorrel
any order, as long as you have enough titan blood
deep bluff
cain my man i see you're also a man of culture
stable fossil
Each individual arrow applies posion and each one can crit for artemis so maybe its just a bug?
spark vigil
I was mortified when I tried it
drifting briar
Arigatou @hollow sorrel @stable fossil
hollow sorrel
keeping in mind that some of the weapons are arguably worse than the default versions when only at rank 1
deep bluff
i know. I was theory crafting then when i saw it only proc 1 time for zeus I never even tried for poseidon
spark vigil
and yes I think so controller
so ok, who's with me
we NEEDQ
to be able to try the boons
on skelly
stable fossil
oh PSA you can plug in a PS4 controller to your computer and play Hades with a controller
some much easier
spark vigil
to see what works and have fun with build ideas
stable fossil
so*
dusky hull
What does Budget Cuts do, exactly?
hollow sorrel
I use a PS4 controller. It's amazing
dusky hull
How it reduces bonuses?
stable fossil
you can only use a limited amount of darkness in the mirror
if you select that make sure you go back to the mirror to allocate your darkness
even if you turn it back off
because it doesn't redistribute the points
that was how I lost my first win streak
I didn't go back and add the points back and had 5.5k unspent Darkness
@dusky hull
dusky hull
Oh, I've just selected it, so now I know, thanks.
hollow sorrel
I ended up trading a few titan bloods for 150 gems each, because gems are so awful to get
glad mica
artemis poseidon trial or greater athena boon
spark vigil
I KNOW they are just cosmetic
but I want to see if Hades ACTUALLY thanks you for getting all the renovations
and 5000 gems with that drop rate is something sisyphus should be doing not ME
a long, painful, soul rending grind
deep bluff
athena is wack so anything but her lol
spark vigil
a trial of the god takes precedence over anything
never let them pass
then any boon type depending on what you want
or chaos
then hammer, then nectar, life, then the rest
astral abyss
lol anyone else hear doom soundtrack at times?
spark vigil
the king and the bull is a cover of E1M1
spark vigil
those hairpin turns uh?
deep bluff
sometimes you can get him to hit terrain and sometimes he just ... clipped through em
spark vigil
yep
cedar remnant
lol when i just started somehow i kept thinking i couldnt phase thru objects which made my life harder
deep bluff
lol that's ... unfortunate
cedar remnant
literally kept circling pillars with him on my ass
deep bluff
that fight is actually kinda fun though despite some annoyances
hydra fight though is just
it's annoying and also boring
spark vigil
can be, anyway it's getting late, thanks for the conversations dudes
i'm going into a coma in about...10 seconds
have a good night
sand glade
The Hydra fight is kinda annoying and boring. And then if you do extreme heat, you might as well just sit in the lava and wait for it to send you back to the house.
deep bluff
i haven't gotten to that yet thankfully
astral abyss
whats probably the best keepsake to get first
deep bluff
don't plan to though tbh i'm not gonna torture myself
astral abyss
are they permanent or something? and you can carry only one?
cedar remnant
any tips for varatha
keepsakes are permenant and upgrades the more encounters you clear with them equipped
astral abyss
right, only one at a time right?
cedar remnant
yup
deep bluff
my tip for the spear: max out zag spear, then use a tool of choice to remove the attack and cast key from your controller/keyboard
and you're set
cedar remnant
you can change keepsakes after clearing each biome
astral abyss
yeaa but i only have +2 nectar and i'm about to start my 3rd or 4th run...i don't remember soooo....
cedar remnant
each of the gods' keepsakes basically allow you to start each run with their respective boons and chnace for better boons
deep bluff
you'll get enough nectars eventually so just give them out randomly
cedar remnant
cerberus gives hp, skelly gives extra life, charon gives longer consumables, hypnos gives coin
deep bluff
i gave mine to cerberus first because he's a good boys
astral abyss
no worries. i was just wondering if there was an optimal
yea i was thinking same but i wanted to wait for thanatos
deep bluff
and for gods i gave it to dio first because he's hot
sand glade
hehehe.
Imo, they made all of the gods pretty... sexy. Even Chaos feels like a sexified... uh, celestial matter.
astral abyss
tbh if i found patroclus i would give him all right awawy
ahh w/e time to save i guess
serene nexus
My headcanon is that Chaos never really had a physical form in the first place so he took on a form which Zag can comprehend.
Therefore, reason why Chaos looks hot and is both male and female at the same time is because Zag is bi
fallow niche
I think its more like the concept of gender doesn't really apply to Chaos
Chaos may have chosen a form that is suitable for Zag to understand, but ultimately the features of that form still represent Chaos's own qualities
serene nexus
That’s the more likely answer tbh. After all, Chaos isn’t make or female since they predate those concepts. Chaos is just... Chaos.
fallow niche
Fairly accurate assessment yeah!
unkempt pagoda
another answer is that nb people are hot
fallow niche
An answer as for why all the gods are hot is probably because, well, they're Gods :v
serene nexus
And Greeks love their hot guys and girls lol
All you need to do is to look at their statues
astral abyss
is there a codex entry for bloodstone? i'm trying to find what it does
fallow niche
The cast?
fallow niche
Doesn't heal, its another damage ability like your attack and special except its the same for all weapons
astral abyss
okay
fallow niche
You throw it and if it hits an enemy it damages them and stays in them
Later on you can get upgrades that make enemies with it in them take more damage from you
There are also boons that turn it into new effects
unkempt pagoda
it's basically another way to deal damage besides attack and special, and that it's always a ranged option on hand
hollow sorrel
and the primary reason it stays in them for a while, is so that you can't just spam it infinitely
fallow niche
Also to take advantage of the damage amp
One of the sword aspects lets you use it infinitely 😉
hollow sorrel
But it can be good as a finishing move, because the crystals pop out ASAP if the thing dies
unkempt pagoda
the mirror gives it some utility later, and there's great fun on focusing a cast based build
astral abyss
also..any way to check your current base damage?
it would be nice to know that if i'm picking up 90 base dmg..if my current base dmg is trash or not lol
serene nexus
Besides whacking Skelly, no
deep bluff
only cast build i've managed to get is festive fog + diozeus duo
turbid needle
Base damage either never changes or the change is listed.
deep bluff
everything else that has to do with cast has been super wack
turbid needle
Like the sword's special, Nova Smash, always has a base power of 50, so any % increases are based on that 50.
serene nexus
I only really use casts to finish off foes or to stick the boiling blood debuff on them
deep bluff
oh maybe the hermes rapid + legendary + aphro cast
turbid needle
But something like your Cast changes its base damage.
serene nexus
Shotgun everywhere.
turbid needle
Adding Poms to that and then getting Burst Shot will make it so the resulting extra shot gets more powerful per Pom.
serene nexus
Weapon upgrades that modify hard numbers matter a lot too. Hestia and Eris aspects come to mind. As well as Chiron
And chaos
turbid needle
Yup.
fallow niche
Early on the best thing I can suggest is to get the feel for everything yourself @astral abyss
It will serve as a basis for how you decide to build your boons and what to focus on as you play
serene nexus
Trying out every weapon and figuring out what archetype you like is essentially to Hades.
serene nexus
It takes a bit of experimentation to figure out which aspects to level but myself and others here can give tips
Shield is pretty good at helping you learn fights and enemy mechanics.
Spear is versatile but not everyone’s cup of tea
serene nexus
Sword has high DPS but you need to know fights pretty well in order to take advantage of it.
serene nexus
Bow is very noob friendly.
fallow niche
First hydra kill was with bow when I started on my 2nd run I think
serene nexus
Rail is very YMMV but once you get used to it and how to build/wield it it’s VERY nice
fallow niche
It felt really good back then
astral abyss
i did not enjoy the bow at all
serene nexus
It says something about the balancing of the weapons where you can confidently say that they’re all viable
There are tiers for aspects, yes, but it’s mostly preference and play style
Also, I decided to go for a mirror less run with Nemesis Aspect and made it halfway through Elysium before I got ganked by two consecutive rooms of suicide carts
fallow niche
They're all viable but they're definitely not all on the same level
I would appreciate more work on the bow, and a Chaos shield nerf of some sort that's hopefully not too brutal to the weapon
And work on a lot of the Zag aspects
hollow sorrel
nerf the chaos shield and buff the zeus shield
fallow niche
^
I still have no clue how to use the Zeus shield in a way that's productive
lmao
serene nexus
We can dream that Hestia Aspect gets a buff to natural crit chance on first shot
fallow niche
#h1-story-discussion is a channel too btw
unkempt pagoda
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astral abyss
true spoiler ch it is
glossy plaza
can I have this kind of RNG on my 32 heat run plox https://i.imgur.com/Uk1dec1.png
astral fjord
tfw when u go through 2 chaos gates in tartarus and realize u had the tooth equipped instead of egg
feelsbadman
candid merlin
F
Welp time to ruin my 11 winstreak with a 32 heat bow run
Bow is my slowest weap too although it's my fav
stoic berry
1000 damage casts on crit
6 casts
with 35% damage secondary
AND a bonus 1000 on dislodge with Poseidon sword
candid merlin
Yeah I also had a similar run
stoic berry
also WHYYYYY
I never try to go fast, then when I notice I could beat my time I tried to hurry and its always so close LOL
9 seconds away
solid cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/665036324851548180/unknown.png weird weird boon choices because I wanted to finish the duo boon prophecy but I surprisingly won
astral fjord
Damn achilles spear makes for some spicy crit numbers
was hitting for 2.2k damage crits
solid cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/665037124139089920/unknown.png Ignore the mouse button prompts controller gang I needed to do that to take the screenshot
glad mica
what special do you guys use for chiron bow
solid cairn
random number generator has spoken I now have max nemesis
glad mica
whats like th best?
solid cairn
can't go wrong with artemis
astral fjord
dio
mighty ermine
https://i.imgur.com/YEzgmo8.jpg poseidon aspect is fun on its own, but this run went all out and just gave me synergies tailored for it! only wish i could have gotten hermes rapid fire cast
proven cosmos
kind fiber
Level 7 cast looks pretty good
pearl scaffold
which aspect of exagrapyh would you say is the best
polar mesa
Is there any point in gifting the gods after you get the trinket? Does continuing to gift provide any benefits?
kind fiber
@polar mesa Not at this time. It currently only progresses dialogue. I imagine at a later time you'll get a second keepsake from the god if you give them enough gifts or satisfy some condition/objective at the end.
polar mesa
@kind fiber ok thanks. wasnt sure if maybe it increased the chance or more rare boons or something as well.
kind fiber
Yeah, the end result for the gods hasn't been implemented yet so no one knows how that will look like
polar mesa
do you know how i trigger the secret keepsakes? i have skelly thanatos meg all max gifted
polar mesa
i mean to do the quest to acquire them
kind fiber
ah
polar mesa
i read somewhere you need to kill skelly with rank 5 sword. i maxed it out
i beat on heat 8 to uncover the statue
polar mesa
yea the first weapon
kind fiber
and he has to have given you the prompt to do so
kind fiber
I don't know if there is a way
polar mesa
hmmmm ok
kind fiber
just hope you get it the next time you enter his room
Just to confirm
He hasn't asked you to slay him yet?
polar mesa
nope
polar mesa
i juts today finished beating hades with each weapon first time. playing on god mode so heat level 5
kind fiber
I don't remember how you trigger thanatos quest or whatever
polar mesa
then i upped to heat 8 and beat it to uncover that statue
k
ill just keep playing
plan on trying to get to heat 32 anyway
kind fiber
Nor what megs is lol
kind fiber
Have you triggered patrolious and bouldy's event?
polar mesa
sure
maybe thats the progression makes sense
cause he is the 4th secret keepsake i think
polar mesa
right but i mean i might need to free him to go to the next step of quests
kind fiber
Couldn't figure out why the event wasn't progressing since I hadn't talked to bouldy yet lol
polar mesa
ah yea
also i figured out today when you gift bouldy, for the run it gives you 4% dmg
thats it
kind fiber
Really? I didn't know that
kind fiber
Does it appear as a boon?
polar mesa
yea
granite vine
it's not always 4% damage, it's a random out of a set of boons
polar mesa
oh, but i got 4% twice
kind fiber
Whats the set?
polar mesa
lol
last nacelle
The real escape was the friends you made along the way.
kind fiber
@polar mesa I looked it up and apparently you need to "help meg and her sisters get back together"
last nacelle
Extreme measures.
kind fiber
By turning on extreme measures #1
fallow niche
Pact of Punishment
kind fiber
fight the fury sisters a number of times
last nacelle
I think you also need a high amount of heat to get the triple boss fight too.
kind fiber
and you'll eventually trigger the event randomly
fallow niche
A dialog actually let me know to do that actually since the pact doesn't really tell you what extreme measures does exactly
Meg said that it would force them to work together
Also the hydra gets cooler
polar mesa
yea ive seen some streamers
polar mesa
wondered why it was different
last nacelle
Technically speaking, the hydra gets hotter.
fallow niche
its beautiful
kind fiber
machine gun + rocket launchers
fallow niche
Theseus is absolutely hilarious
kind fiber
Pretty sweet chariot right there
last nacelle
Did you know that the "lava" in Asphodel is not actually lava.
fallow niche
he just rolls around the stage laughing like a maniac and dropping bombs wantonly
last nacelle
It's magical liquid flame.
kind fiber
It seems like its lava mixed with souls
karmic coyote
@pearl scaffold really depends on the situations but hestia is the most fun to use
last nacelle
The reason why asphodel is all fiery is because the underworld has several rivers running through it, and one of them is a river of flame, which got redirected into asphodel.
fallow niche
The Phlegethon overflowed specifically
Asphodel in greek lore is was actually an actual plain
But in order to get the hell aesthetic Supergiant made the Phlegethon overflow
last nacelle
That's why it's called the Asphodel Meadows.
fallow niche
Yup
last nacelle
Meadows are historically known for flooding.
kind fiber
whats the reaper guy's name again?
granite vine
Asphodel in greek lore is was actually an actual plain
debatable, the flowers would seem to be a misreading of "ash-filled" meadows
kind fiber
ah found it anyways
@polar mesa For thanatos you apparently need to "prove your strength" by presumably escaping, possibly without his help after he has a discussion with you about "Zag being powerful enough to escape the underworld without his help"
frozen canyon
If i have, lets say artemis ares aphrodite, if i pick artemis ares duo, can i also get aphrodite artemis duo?
frozen canyon
i can get 2 duos that use the same god? really?
rigid finch
I think my personal best has been 3 duo boons.
After repeatedly dying to Hades I told myself I needed epic music for the boss fight. So the next time I walked up to Hades I put on Terminal March and killed him for the first time. Thanks Kid!
livid pilot
anyone knows what happens if you restore a DD when your already full?
(using the pool)
lofty urchin
livid pilot
ah so only way to increase mid run is athena and skelly then
granite vine
Don't think Athena lets get any extra DDs beyond your limit
Chaos legendary boon gives an extra use
granite finch
it will let u buy it
wooden lodge
I have no idea how I got a 26 minute clear https://i.imgur.com/46RSboM.jpg
but uh
what I do know
the zeus special with the shield, along with the zeus dash and relevant zeus lightning bolt upgrades, is god-tier
combo with Aphrodite attack and the 25% charm effect, a 25% chance to dodge from Hermes, you're basically invincible
exploding shield helps too
kind fiber
@frozen canyon Yes, you can get two duo boons regardless of which gods both duo boons consist of so long as you have the requirements for those duo boons
The only duo boons that are exclusive from each other are the ones that modify a specific god's cast boon
serene nexus
Okay. Now I’m struggling to figure out what gods to use for Hestia rail. Lost to Hades after an unfortunate time of not getting the boons I needed.