hades spear is great against bosses
#h1-builds-and-combat
kindred bloom
novel python
Either that or slower projectiles
I don't feel it
Maybe cause I keep spamming only spin? Do I need to attack too?
turbid needle
Nah, you've got the Spin set-up.
kindred bloom
just spin attack them once every 10 seconds
novel python
Was lucky enough to get both spin hammers
turbid needle
What's that Special?
glad mica
i love the slower projectiles
novel python
Arte
glad mica
slower projectiles is op in elysium
glad mica
also how do you guys get so many boons i hardly get any
untold widget
stable fossil
@novel python Fastest time is spear 29 minutes 1 second
2nd fastest is sword 29 minutes 32 seconds flat
kindred bloom
hades spear is all about NOT just using spin attack imo, because your normal attack is so fast and long-range, just spin once in a while and wail on enemies while they're debuffed with normal attacks
stable fossil
also of crap guys what do I do
I have a trial of the gods with Artemis and Ares on one side and Daedalus hammer on the other
I have Hera Bow and already got the ares cast
WHAT DO I DO
novel python
You can get the duo boon from the trial, daedalus can appear again later
stable fossil
k
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/664586518395879452/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 I require assistance myself
I am feeling burst shot but pressure points is there
And it's teasing me
kindred bloom
don't think I've ever seen burst shot before, sounds good if you're using casts a lot
kindred bloom
I usually go for support fire tbh, with high fire-rate weapons
glad mica
hermes boon or eurydice
hollow sorrel
I think some boons scale well with levels, and some are just like "you do 3% more damage if you +1 level it, so why bother"
glad mica
i usually go the thing that increases boon rarity from eury but what do you guys get
novel python
It depends on your build at the time you run into eurydice.
hollow sorrel
It matters how many boons I have, because I tend to sell early boons if I don't really like them. If I don't have many boons, I might bump the rarity of future boons instead
novel python
Usually 2nd option, 1st if I'm feeling frisky
grim adder
huh. didn't know you could get hermes from styx rooms
hollow sorrel
I think you can get him like 3 times in the same game, or something like that
I've seen him on the little shop area in styx too
hollow sorrel
The wiki says "You can only obtain up to three of his boons in one run - with the third only available in Charon's shop in the Temple of Styx"
hollow sorrel
I vaguely think it was awkwardly worded before
hollow sorrel
Like maybe it could roll up to twice in a zone, or something, but it was awkward
glad mica
what are the prerequisites for the charm boon
novel python
my spin just critted for 1.2k
Kek
thanks pressure points
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/664589703991001128/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 alright I've done this too
silver crag
There a way to dodge the final boss's second phase aoe? Im at the cusp of facing em again with the gun this time.
grim adder
Boulder kill!
I finished the big H off with bouldy. Shame there's no special line for it
silver crag
U can do that? And it wont trigger second phase?
pure junco
insert lenny face here
grim adder
end of second phase
hollow sorrel
- When you see his weapon start rotating around himself, run for cover (e.g. the top-left nook). 2) literally stand like right on top of him, which is risky, but there's a tiny safe spot next to him
hollow sorrel
some people just save an invincible greater call for that attack, because the boss is stationary the whole time
grim adder
is it me or is T+A on extreme measures harder than the final boss?
fallen rover
Depends on build I would say
silver crag
Oh. Cool. Good ideas. About to face big h again after my shift at work. Wish me luck. But one more question: does dash have invisibility frames? No,right?
fallen rover
it does
pure junco
Yes.
Otherwise dash would suck.
Sometimes you might dash into moves and still get hit by them.
silver crag
OH. I guess i just suck then.
Yea that happens to me
But im spamming dash like no tommorow.
fallen rover
I am at like 50% success rate on actually iframing the hades spin, Its better to dash out of it though, but it can work
pure junco
I have dashed into a move once I think, it was on Hades fight.
hollow sorrel
you iframe that attack by not dashing when he traces the circle, but dashing the following attack. Or literally try to frantically dash like 4 times right when you see him trace a circle
silver crag
I cannot follow the screen with how many buttons im pressing and attacking me at the same time so i kinda pray nothing touches me.
fallen rover
The spear point is gold in p2 hades when you are learning the fight
It makes laser a breeze and his 3 hit combo non deadly
pure junco
Spear point is pretty nice, yeah.
hollow sorrel
My only gripe is when I'm using a melee weapon on bosses, sometimes the amount of special effects my attack make is so distracting, that it's difficult to see when the bosses are doing their actual attacks
like, lightning effects might cover the boss so much, that it's difficult to tell when he's flashing from lightning, or flashing because he's going to attack
fallen rover
True, you get into a rythm after a while though
mighty ermine
that's a valid gripe. all i can really offer is that you do eventually get used to boss attack timings to the point where the amount of effects isn't too much of an issue anymore
fallen rover
Or you go bracers+weak attack and just tank everything
My first sword win was like that
oak owl
hollow sorrel
I'm usually stuck with spearpoint because i'm in hell mode, and I don't get invincibility frames after getting hit, unless I have one specific Athena boon
glad mica
quick question
hollow sorrel
well, spearpoint for the final zone only
glad mica
do the more expensive boons in final shop have higher rarity stuff?
fallen rover
Yes
oak owl
yea
mighty ermine
yes x 3
kindred bloom
what's spearpoint do
mighty ermine
lengthen invincibility after taking a hit
kindred bloom
oh the keepsake
mighty ermine
yeah
hollow sorrel
if you're not playing in hell mode, you get invincibility frames for a short while after taking a big hit, but hell mode takes that away
novel python
If you have epilepsy, never use Chiron bow with Zeus special.
fallen rover
Isnt it super scoffed? When I tried it it only applied 1 zeus bolt
novel python
I can't register or my graphics card will go boom
Record*
what would you pick between enchanted zeus or zeus aphro trial?
valid bobcat
Can anyone tell me if this is a bug? I entered a chamber with Thanatos who said he wanted to hop in or whatever, then was stuck in a corner for most of the fight (left the corner during third wave of monsters) then gave me a heart and disappeared after 5-6 seconds while I was trying to give him a gift though there was no option lol.
novel python
It's a challenge on who kills the most enemies.
Thanatos doesn't have to use his scythe, he just has a very powerful Doom effect that does 9999 and instakills everything
He can just stay in the corner and watch.
Gifting him happens in the House
hollow sorrel
Yeah, he doesn't need to be anywhere near the monsters to attack them
azure bone
@valid bobcat after he spawns in a run he will be standing afterwards in the house either talking to hades or to the far left past achilles
valid bobcat
yeah i know i just feel like there was supposed to be a dialogue option before he went poof, Zag responded with "rude!" but idk it felt buggy
azure bone
Nah hes on a strict timetable
hollow sorrel
he as a bit of a &*() like that
novel python
After each encounter you might find him in the House, go left and down past Achilles
So boosted Zeus or Zeus Aphro Trial?
silver crag
Can i equip legendary keepsakes and a normal keepsake at the same time or is it one at atime.
novel python
By legendary I think you mean usables, and iirc you can have both
But you're a long way away for that
silver crag
Ohhh yea def just wondering about that. The wikia doest specify.
stoic crest
how does aspect of hestia (empowered shot after reloading) interact with infinity chamber?
novel python
You need to manually reload
keen shard
cant decide what to max level wise mang
silver crag
Thats a good question blue i saw that on my current run and was like naw. I wish i knew
hollow sorrel
I don't think any of the upgrades in the game prevent you from manually reloading a hestia rail for the empowered shot
gloomy scroll
correct, even with infinity chamber, you can manual reload
silver crag
Oh good to know. Know what doesnt work thou? Dash attack doesnt work with empowered shot (rip artemas dash)
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/664601467331805184/unknown.png help please?
silver crag
I cant get that dash attack to work consistantly with adamant rail either
novel python
Is the double strike worth it if I'm using Zeus special on Chiron?
silver crag
What weapon?
stable fossil
yo kree I got a pic I want you to see
silver crag
Oh i would go with double strike then
grim adder
taking your time is good for high heat
at least, it's one of the two more viable strategies
grim adder
that's around my averages
mild crag
@silver crag but dash attack does work with empowered shot tho
stable fossil
dont let me send my best times
novel python
We can click on the photo you know
Also, you can use Lightshot to screenshot in game
stable fossil
it was just easier to take a pic with my phone and send it using the app
glad mica
so if i keep the aphro keepsake equipped going into one floor after i initially equipped it will i still get aphrodite boons
guranteed*
or will it just increase the chance
hollow sorrel
It only works once. If you take an aphro boon, then the keepsake stop working for the rest of that game
glad mica
also does using pierced butterfly increase the chance for than to help you
novel python
No
glad mica
oh ok
hollow sorrel
but if you're offered an aphro room, but choose to ignore it, then the keepsake will try again to roll an aphro room for you, since you didn't actuall take the boon
stable fossil
can someone give me the odds of getting two Trail of the Gods with the same gods in one run?
keen shard
Man i love room clear spear
mighty ermine
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/654076105321480226/664606664279719936/20200101181929_1.jpg?width=1192&height=671 +126% from hunter dash as well as two separate Lunge boons from chaos for another +100% and +75%... goofy
grim adder
I, uh, I haven't left Tartarus and I have a Duo boon already
knotty vigil
For the rail, how does Inescapable Blast even work together with the one that replaces your special with a rocket?
It says it slows down enemies in the target radisu of my special but my special doesnt have a target radius anymore
grim adder
I got the Ares/Aphrodite one that applies doom to weak foes and I'm running the Chaos Shield with Heartbreak Strike on special... like, woah
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/664603855841132555/664609025618477081/unknown.png?width=859&height=483 alright, this might have fried my GPU but it's cool
I guess you're supposed to play Poseidon Sword combined with Artemis Dislodge damage and such?
keen shard
Yes
hollow sorrel
It's nice when it happens, but it's not a super common boon, so don't expect it to show up on every run
royal yarrow
Are poseidon and the heart God even Good?
grim adder
they have their usages
aphrodite has very high damage bonuses and weak is a fairly powerful status effect (and you don't have to unlock it)
poseidon's knockback effects can be very strong vs regular mobs, especially in enclosed spaces like styx
grim adder
+% chance to crit on all attacks is one of the best boons in the game, hands down
royal yarrow
And poseidon is great too
keen shard
Poisden +spear chain bounce
royal yarrow
But he needs specific weapons
keen shard
Is insane
Room clear
They can be off screen
And ur killing them
Combine with zeus
Ez
royal yarrow
Yeah crit and poison are the best boons everything else feels meh
When it comes to damage at least
royal yarrow
Isn't ares the speedy
keen shard
Thats hermes
royal yarrow
Oh the war one
royal yarrow
Tbh the best thing I found about him there the spin thing
keen shard
Though i dislike sheild trivalizes the gMe
royal yarrow
From cast and ultimate
keen shard
Hunting blades
keen shard
Mhm
keen shard
Crystals when u hit them with special
royal yarrow
So you can only get that boon with poseidon
keen shard
Posiden aspecr
final fox
no, poseidon aspect is a sword unlock
royal yarrow
Yes yes I know
final fox
poseidon the god doesn't give Exit Wounds, that's artemis
glad mica
what do infernal gates dfo
final fox
it's pretty okay even without it, it's effectively an extra 100-160 damage on your cast
and artemis gives dislodge speed boosts, so you get the damage faster
royal yarrow
They give you an extra option to get into
Next Tim
Room
Tbh I barely use my case
Cast
😔
final fox
infernal gates give you a challenge room with better rewards but a chance of failing and not getting any reward
if you get hit, you get an onion
if you don't get hit and clear the room, you get a double reward
e.g. 2 poms, 200 gold, higher rarity boons, that sort of thing
keen shard
Rn debating what aspect to lvl up since ive been using maxed out zag spear
turbid needle
How do I give feedback, I can't type in the channel
final fox
read the pins in the feedback channel
royal yarrow
I just don't find the cast worth using in like 90% of my runs
stray frigate
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turbid needle
Thx bud
royal yarrow
Tank early access
tropic pagoda
what does it mean "target radius increases" if my special does not, in fact, have any kind of radius?
open geode
i dashed inside the barrier
and all the incoming damage
from the chariot
is dodged
100% of the time
final fox
The only boon I can think of that has a "target radius increase" is one of zeus's lightning boons
and that affects all your lightning strike effects
knotty vigil
@stray frigate For the rail, I got the daedalus hammer that replaces my special with the rocket and for my second hamemr i could pick Inescapable blast which slows down enemies in my target radius. The rocket doesnt have a target radius though.
stray frigate
@knotty vigil yeh u made a mistake
final fox
I think that'll affect enemies that the rocket hits
stray frigate
never tried this
final fox
but you won't get the pre-landing slow
royal yarrow
If it's not slowing them that could be a bug that you should report
Or maybe an oversight
unkempt pagoda
could be that they were supposed to be mutually exclusive and it was a bug that it showed up for you
¯_(ツ)_/¯
royal yarrow
Ye
unkempt pagoda
i know i've gotten both piercing fire and explosive fire in one run and they are mutually exclusive upgrades
unkempt pagoda
meaning the hammer bugged out and gave me a non-synergetic boon
stray frigate
seems ok for me
knotty vigil
the wiki doesnt list them as mutually exclusive
royal yarrow
I wouldn't say that ok
stray frigate
yeah may be it should be added as buffs which cannot be combined
like furry for spear and spin upgrades
open geode
stray frigate
looks like it cant reach you
open geode
yeah i'm inside the obstacle
stray frigate
but u still dodging this
open geode
yeah
silver crag
@mild crag I mean I guess you can shoot during the dash but I dunno if that counts as a dash attack for the game because the second shot doesn't come out, like I dont expect 2 empowered shots but just like 1 and then a normal bullet. If it does then darn I missed that artemis dash boon.
mild crag
Well the empowered shot can be affected by the damage bonus
silver crag
Oh man thanks dude, good to know.
silver crag
Oh Really? I'll keep this in mindz the manual reload damage is underwhelming, but still good for a burst.
glad mica
the manual reload dmge is p high but idk i love hestia
silver crag
Maaaan i think i had chain lighting too, run just ended because poison. There should be a death screen.
azure bone
Hestia damage is absurd but needs max rank
Aphrodite boon + exposed is consistent 500+ shots
barren nimbus
how exactly is the punishing sweep different from the regular spin attack on the spear? or is it the same it just applies the debuff too
azure bone
Hestia or bust imo
keen shard
Spear 4 lyfe
azure bone
If not hestia the other one (stand in explosion one) is good if you start with dio poison
digital vessel
Picking a favorite is honestly hard which is a credit to the devs
keen shard
Rails game play dosent sit witg me mang
digital vessel
No it dashes constantly, never sits 😸
solid cairn
I’m gonna have eris and Hestia maxed at some point so whatever
I think they’re equal
Well I think Eris is better but it’s close
Eris is more versatile but Hestia kind of needs a specific setup
Hestia is a different weapon pretty much
digital vessel
Hestia is like playing carbine vs eris being like repeaterish in bastion terms. But yknow with mortar/cannon
Both fun and need different boon setups, with Hestia probably being stricter there
serene nexus
What boons would you say are needed for Hestia? Artemis attack would be an obvious one I would think. It would be nice if the first shot of Hestia had natural crit chance on the first shot
azure bone
Hestis is very versatile imo
You can build around special and your primary fire still chunks
Or build shotgun and use the reload shot for range
serene nexus
In hindsight, running Hestia on my first attempt of Forced Overtime 2 was NOT a good idea
azure bone
Only thing hestia doesnt work super well with is dio and zues attack boons imo
glad mica
hestia is insane specifically for the fact that every boss is practically single target and you can melt them extremely fast using the bonus damage from hest
serene nexus
I will need to experiment with things later on. I got to Hades on Heat 4 with Forced Overtime 2, Extreme Measures 1, and jury calls. Didn’t manage to kill him though.
glad mica
easy double heat= 800% trap damage
serene nexus
How much does trap give you? 1 per?
digital vessel
Hestia is only less flexible in that you have fewer hits happening with your attack, so Zeus and curses and stuff aren’t as good vs Artemis or like Aphrodite or Athena for the big % bump
Since rest of kit is the same
serene nexus
I find Eris too risky at time due to how I use my special so I tend to use Hestia more
Man. Can you imagine if they made it so that the first shot has a higher chance to crit naturally?
digital vessel
I find myself breaking discipline and firing more than one shot per reload on Hestia and then think why not just run eris then. When I’m good about it Hestia is sick, but it is an extra step
serene nexus
I tend to do a three round burst with Hestia TBH
digital vessel
And I like playing the bow and rail in closer range which eris makes beneficial lol
serene nexus
If I wanted to play close range I’d use something like Nemesis Aspect
digital vessel
Got used to it with triple shot extra special shots Hera bow runs just backstabbing right up on someone lol
glad mica
the only reason why i would shy away from eris is that i reaaaaaally only use the rail special when theres like 2-3 enemies in the same spot that really only happens in elysium or death barge if you arent managing enemiesd that well and i dont think that niche use is enough to outweigh the amazing single target damage that hestia provide
serene nexus
What casts ARE good with Hera? I’ve tried stuff like Athena but that’s not very good.
digital vessel
It’s fair, Hestia is way better for bosses
Zeus and Artemis are good, dio is also good
serene nexus
What about Aphro?
glad mica
eurydice or aphro athena trial
serene nexus
OOF
hollow sorrel
people like dio with hera, because dio's cast is normally fairly awful to hit with
glad mica
hestia combined with fast attacks and charm is p crazy
digital vessel
Aphrodite is fine, it bursts behind the target you hit
digital vessel
Oof, do you need story stuff or is this purely for buffing stuff with Eurydice
And what weapon/build
glad mica
purely buffing considering the ||orpheus eurydice line isint acquired yet|| and im using hestia trying to get charm \
mighty ermine
hera's burst potential is very very fun
digital vessel
Trial imo
Yeah Hera made bow hilarious for me
Still need to try Poseidon and Achilles aspects for cast build
Have em all just haven’t used those yet, I love nemesis and hades lol
mighty ermine
oh poseidon is definitely fun, makes the damage rotation more interesting
but yeah with nemesis existing
it's hard for poor ol' poseidon aspect to shine
digital vessel
lol right! I want to do it but then why do cast when I can just special attack attack boom
Always so tempting
I also cannot decide for the life of me which shield aspect I prefer
mighty ermine
i am absolutely addicted to chaos aspect playstyle
digital vessel
Chiron and Hera are also probably tied but I’m just ok with that, but I feel like I will ultimately prefer one shield or the other
mighty ermine
since i'm already super heavy on bullrush to dash chaining
digital vessel
Fair
The Zeus special is very amusing and fun to cheese and I like attacking while it’s out and/or having it follow me, but it is a bit more rigid for build I feel like
mighty ermine
definitely; i want to like zeus aspect but it's not like all enemies politely remain in its path of damage ticks
digital vessel
Yeah and then it returns slow so you gotta run to lead it through things to make it worth
It’s fun and different but I know it’s not efficient, but Idk if it’s more fun than chaos is efficient lol
mighty ermine
exactlyy
stable fossil
I just got out of Asphodel in under 12 minutes
solid cairn
@glad mica I think they’re equal, and also you don’t have to hit enemies every time you special
It can be useful to only hit yourself with special
glad mica
with what boon?
solid cairn
????
Doesn’t matter
Sometimes you want to hit yourself with special first and then engage in combat
Actually you always want to do that
solid cairn
Unless time is an issue
glad mica
but even so i wouldnt rly say the eris boost is comparable to the hestia single target dmge imo but maybe thats bc i dont max eris
atomic panther
If you hit both yourself and an enemy with the same blast, it still gives you the extra damage on that bomb
solid cairn
Ultimately I find Eris more fun surprisingly
atomic panther
Which is nice
atomic panther
I still like Zagreus Aspect most fun on the rail
solid cairn
Worse Eris imo
atomic panther
Significantly better with Flurry Fire and Rapid Strike
solid cairn
You rarely want to stay shooting for that long
atomic panther
Rip to you, but I'm different
solid cairn
You’re most likely going to dodge into cover or somewhere safe where you can reload
digital vessel
Yeah you just dash and/or special while reloading on eris and have no downtime plus the buff
solid cairn
It is fun with flurry I’ll give you that
I’m gonna have eris and Hestia both maxed at some point so it’ll be more of a preference thing
digital vessel
They’re very different and both fun in different ways
Only big thing is eris is the most flexible since the buff impacts all damage
And I’ve never found it difficult to stay alive while hitting both myself and enemies with the same special
solid cairn
Eris with Zeus attack melts everything though
digital vessel
Mhmm, and Aphro or dio on special, ares works I guess but prefer the others
Also rail play is hilarious with pressure points and support fire lol
serene nexus
The fact that it’s a matter of preference over the other instead of one being better because it is flat out better than all the others is nice.
digital vessel
Oh yeah, I was saying earlier that I don’t think I have a favorite weapon, and a lot of the aspects I like them all for different reasons
untold widget
do doom damage procs count as being from that specific ability?
like, would doom damage get the armor shred from a daed upgrade
solid cairn
Guys how did you complete the 1 of each heat prophecy? Did you do a 1 heat run with each of the conditions or do a handful at once
atomic panther
No, Doom is its own damage source
serene nexus
One heat run or stack some together (but not all of them
solid cairn
Ok I’m gonna do groups of 2 or 3 then do budget cuts on its own
unkempt pagoda
doom, sick, and lightning all count as separate damage sources
serene nexus
Which means they can’t crit with pressure point, right?
solid cairn
Yo I just realized I’m only on heat 2 with shield
So much free Titan blood omg
That is if I can beat it without falling asleep
That’s at least like 8 free Titan blood right there
serene nexus
Aspects eat up a TON of Titan blood. Especially if you try to experiment
stable fossil
yo I just got a sub 24 minute run with the shield
solid cairn
I’m gonna max every sword and rail aspect because they’re my favorite
Except zag rail I really don’t care about zag rail
So I’m 20 away now
All of them are level 4
serene nexus
There’s a prophecy for unlocked each aspect
solid cairn
I have
I pretty much have one good aspect for the other weapons
Spear I have max zag, Bow I have Hera, and shield I have rank 2 or 3 Chaos
unkempt pagoda
@serene nexus they can crit with pressure points, because pressure points is just a straight up global crit chance
digital vessel
Pressure points is love
solid cairn
What’s the highest crit Chance you can reach
It would be spear
Because vicious skewer
I’m stupid that’s not hard to find out never mind
mild crag
vicious skewer, athena/artemis duo, artemis special and a high leveled pressure points is 100%
if it keeps being additive which i assume it does
unkempt pagoda
i mean, an easy way to reach close to 100% is using marked
azure bone
The fact you have to suicide to end a run is getting really damn old
I'm just playing around with builds and such, and anytime I wanna restart but keep the nectar and stuff I got I just gotta sit in lava and wait for all my DDs to go down
azure bone
Eh, prob just gonna edit the values for resources so I don't have to care about the grind
then it wont matter
Neat, so hestia aspect is affected by dash damage bonuses
mild crag
yus
azure bone
summoned skele with only the boon for dash damage and was hitting for 260 from the front
solid cairn
Wait is it easy to edit stuff like that for this game lol
pallid dagger
mkay before i post this feedback
does anyone here like, actively use or seek out chaos/infernal gates?
solid cairn
Chaos is great
atomic panther
I actively seek out Chaos gates
obtuse ravine
I only jump in the gate when I feel the boss room is still a bit away
mild crag
@pallid dagger should note that things you get in Erebus gates are twice the normal amount -- if you get a centaur heart from an Erebus gate for example it gives you 50 max health instead of 25
pallid dagger
regarding the feedback i posted, i noticed. i still think that's.........on the cheap side. politely. there's plenty of ways to get more health, and i'm pretty much guaranteed to see at least two centaur hearts on any given run. it's not something i'd make the game a nightmare for myself for.
mild crag
plenty of people crank the heat that high, and if they demonstrate skill they get rewarded for it with a better than normal reward
dire cedar
Anybody have a fast time on Bow that I can compare w/?
pallid dagger
i'm not knocking anybody else's love of a challenge; i'm just a conservative player, it's not my style to take heavy risks to a run's length with the possible chance of extending it. with so many other options, i'm the type that would pass it up.
mighty ermine
and the game gives you the exact option to just pass up those opportunities
i'm not sure i see the problem
pallid dagger
it's not a complaint, it's just an idea.
mighty ermine
ah, you mean in terms of chaos gates or erebus gates offering trade goods rather than run-enhancing goods?
i see what you're coming from, but i do feel that the intent for both is the latter
and it's not going to change, likely
dire cedar
@pallid dagger there are several ideas of changing or boosting erebus in the feedback thread
E.g. having erebus end as soon as you fail it, making it less risky for tight deadline
normal sleet
sigh, one milimeter of boss health away from a first clear, with a fairly busted build too
dire cedar
Next time, budyd. you'll get used to those hit boxes and speeds
@pallid dagger looking back you meant chaos gates and troves. I do'ntfind troves risky for the most party. If they give health then as long as you take less than like 40 hp it'sa net gain.
i usually get throught hem quickly
but there are plenty of times skip troves and chaos gates for the exact reasons you cite
azure bone
I literally never do chaos gates, except maybe ones on the first floor
err
infernal gates*
They just aren't worth the risk, esp since they take up a 'room'
pallid dagger
@mighty ermine yeah, that. run-enhancement would need to be a lot more generous to justify the risk if the reward ends with the run.
@dire cedar no, i definitely meant infernal gates. i'm actually satisfied with troves, i occasionally use them if i need cash. sometimes they're not worth it, other times they're fun.
@normal sleet ouch, i feel for you.
azure bone
If they were side rooms you could attempt or could be done in place of a key/darkness/gemstones I'd agree
but I'm not going to attempt a 0 damage taken with a sword/spear vs elysium enemies at the risk of losing a boon
at 15+heat at that
Also I kept seeing people complain about extreme hydra so there's my trick to killing it
untold widget
hey, do you need to do one of the miniboss rooms in the temple?
or can you get the sack just doing the others
obtuse ravine
the sack is random iirc
untold widget
kk
untold widget
right
mild crag
chaos gates are worth it but troves are super mediocre
mighty ermine
@pallid dagger i feel they're generous enough as is. again, it's an opportunity to make your run go more smoothly overall if you overcome the risk factor. whether it's worth that risk is entirely up to the individual player. you seem to think it isn't worth it, which is fine. but plenty of others think it is
azure bone
The issue is the risk is just to high
The infernal gates cost a 'room', and as far as I can tell are always linked to other boon/gold rooms
So not only are you skipping out on a boon/hammer to do it, if you fail you lose out on whatever boon you could have gotten
mighty ermine
you aren't necessarily skipping a boon or a hammer, though. you could be choosing it over something as trivial as darkness
mighty ermine
i see, this may have changed since the pact got reworked
azure bone
Believe me I've been trying to find an opportunity to do it when I have blue laurel choices and realized that is never the case
sure sometimes its 'infernal' centaur heart vs regular centaur heart
but since I just reroll the centaur heart into a boon thats irrelevant unless using budget cuts and didn't get a key beforehand
https://streamable.com/420qo Also fixed video to skip to relevant part
makes extreme hydra way easier
pallid dagger
In the politest way possible, I don't feel the need to defend my feedback, nor do I want to. I'm fine with the option of skipping a feature I don't feel is worth it at the time; a feature I feel is never worth it is to my distaste. if other players disagree, that's totally cool with me, and I'd be fine if that was the final word on the matter.
mighty ermine
i mean, yes that's basically what i've already said; it's fine for you to skip it and for others not to. discussing points of feedback is pretty normal around here
glad mica
i just got a 25 min run :D
glad mica
nemesis sword
rich briar
does triple shot work with hera bow
stable fossil
oooooooh I just had a good idea
glad mica
22 min run!!
glad mica
eh it really depends on which weapon you like more
if you wanna have low times and go for quick boss kills hestia
some ppl like eris more bc its more fun for them and its easier to build with but idk i always just build whatever seems fun at that time not whats optimal lol
solid cairn
probably gonna go eris or hestia level 5
poseidon and nemesis don't need level 5 as much
solid cairn
level 5 I mean
I did a random number generator and got hestia 3 times
there it is I guess
fresh coral
Quick question, Exclusive Access means that all future boons I get are of the rarity mentionned right
obtuse ravine
that's how it should work
fresh coral
Makes sense, thanks, just wanted to confirm
pallid sky
died to final boss 3 runs in a row 
mild crag
They're at least of that rarity @fresh coral so they can be higher than epic still
@pallid sky feels bad 
pallid sky
rip
fresh coral
Ah, that's even better then
A shame that I got that boon from Charon's shop in styx after finishing all tunnels
mild crag
You know that seems like the literal worst place to get it
I don't think it gets any worse
fresh coral
I had to get it for prophecy too
I would've just taken anything else if not lmao
It's the last boon I got all run
fresh coral
I still beat the boss, so yeah, worth
onyx flint
i just got the game yesterday and i've hit a wall at the Theseus / asterios
but
i just learned how to get duo boons
so wish me luck :p
pallid sky
i was at that wall for like 10 runs too
fresh coral
T&A is probably the roughest wall you'll get for a while
pallid sky
btw hermes keepsake what does clear quickly mean
fresh coral
Grind your Keepsakes, enjoy the game and you'll break through eventually
Finish a fight in a set amount of time
pallid sky
well yeah
fresh coral
When you're in an encounter, the keepsake will tick down on the bottom left
pallid sky
but is it tight or not
fresh coral
Yeah
fresh coral
Tartarus it's not that bad, but Asphodel and Elysium I've had trouble
mild crag
It gives you different amounts of time to clear based on the room
pallid sky
seems good for styx rooms?
pallid sky
hah
mild crag
Only the last one of each tunnel
pallid sky
ofc
fresh coral
That would be a bit abusive tbh
Imagine getting +2% dmg per small styx tunnel you beat without getting hit
mild crag
Yeah they need to consolidate it
fresh coral
It's a bit iffy but I get the purpose behind it
mild crag
It wastes your buffs but doesn't give you the bonuses
Stuff like jerky should last the whole thing and take away one point
pallid sky
i like to get charon trinket and buy the jerky yeah
fresh coral
I agree some consistancy is needed, but right now it's the best quick solution that can be done imo
If the keepsakes tick, it's way too easy to stack em
full flame
i dunno how people do 25 min runs
mild crag
Best quick solution ye and butterfly would be busted there
fresh coral
If the charon items don't tick, you can just stack em up and destroy final boss
pallid sky
yeah
full flame
just finished my 25th successful clear, and still usually around 40 minutes
fresh coral
So until a functional, less janky solution is found.. this works?
karmic coyote
25 minutes isn't too bad
pallid sky
my times vary a lot
full flame
haven't been faster than 39 minutes lol
pallid sky
anywhere from 25 to almost 40
fresh coral
I've had runs last 40+ too
It really depends on your playstyle and the boons you get
pallid sky
yeah if you're in struggle town you play safer and it takes longer
its hard to control
full flame
spend too long in asphodel chasing mobs jumping around in lava, and rarely have enough damage to really burn things down fast enough in elysium
fresh coral
I play very aggressive most of the time, my friend likes to just use his cast, wait for mobs to drop it then collect and cast again lol
what weapon are you using?
full flame
i've just been using whatever has the darkness bonus
fresh coral
If you absolutely want to tryhard for speed, shield is your best bet
But any weapon can do sub 25
mild crag
@full flame WR is 8:38 btw
fresh coral
8:38? That sounds impressive
full flame
are people doing those fast runs with any heat?
pallid sky
been playing with achilles spear lately thats fun
fresh coral
Personally I did my sub 24 on Heat 3, and gave the forced overtime to mobs
full flame
maybe because i typically have extra mobs for heat
mild crag
It really is just a matter of the more you play the faster you'll get
full flame
well, that 25th clear was a good one, first time i ever got hermes heroic dashes, and then also got Meg's companion afterwards
yeah, maybe i could start getting a little faster
only just really started clearing consistently past couple days
@mild crag what keepsakes do you usually go with for a fast run?
mild crag
first two biomes i just use god keepsakes to get the stuff i'd like
since elysium time is tight and i play ranged i took distant memory there
but for elysium and styx you can take what you like
if you're not sure
broken spearpoint is a good choice
i dont really try to go fast tho
im not a speed runner that's just what i used on that particular run
i try to play for high heat instead
full flame
i've kinda done the same with god choices first, and then typically elysium has been either money or feather duster for healing depending on how it was going, and then i finish with acorn for hades
mild crag
feather duster is kinda weak i wouldnt take it
fresh coral
Personally I like to go for Skelly Tooth on Hades and just rush him down as fast as possible
mild crag
also a good idea
fresh coral
But Spear works for that as well
mild crag
i think acorn is really good for hades
but spearpoint is just really good for the rest of styx
glad mica
real ppl take athena dash and use acorn on hades
full flame
feather duster was my go to for like entire runs at first, the sustain is really good when still learning
fresh coral
Duster is fine in Elysium because you probably need more healing there and there's quite a lot of pots in that area, especially since shop areas have so many pots there
mild crag
better of taking nyx's
fresh coral
Buuuuuut, the Shawl is great
glad mica
i use 2 god boons for tartarus and aphedel and then take coin purse for elysium and then do acorn for hades
mild crag
the darkness healing is a lot more than what you can get from the pots
in my experience anyway
fresh coral
Like if you already have the bounty, the shawl is a lot of healing
Especially if you find a Chaos boon for darkness
The Darkness weapon, and 1-2 Chaos boons for Darkness will make small amounts of darkness pile up to huge amounts and basically, as soon as you find darkness you full heal
full flame
yeah i guess that was preference if you were looking for sustain, my impression was that it was less frequent bigger heals possibly with shawl, but i also wanted to prioritize keys over darkness
glad mica
idk maybe its just me but i dont really need heals enough to warrant shawl being good
usually i make it to hades with 2-3 death defys and max to close to max hp
full flame
once i got the hang of things though, don't really need the sustain
glad mica
athena dash is god tier for hades imo makes it so you cant even get hit basically
fresh coral
Depends on playstyle and your run, someone with Athena dash and Dionysus defense stuff might not care for healing as much
fresh coral
Shawl still helps if you prefer to throw away safety for speed
full flame
love athena dash
glad mica
also ares cast or god gauge is basically a free win
full flame
my best run was two runs ago, and had 2 acorn charges left
had athena dash and legendary
fresh coral
Ares call is great yeah, but his cast is alright
glad mica
if you get the legendary ares boon and the follow them around boon its broken
fresh coral
I prefer Dionysus' cast
glad mica
really?
i find dio cast like the worst one imo lol
then again i dont use hera bow
so
idk
full flame
it's only good if you get his legendary though
fleet dagger
Well sorry to interrupt but is normal for Athena's dash to proc exposed even though i did not deflect a projectile back at an enemy
?
fresh coral
Dionysus' cast is a lot of damage straight up with no investment, confusing to enemies and such
mild crag
@fleet dagger yes, you just need to deal damage with a deflecting move
glad mica
^
fleet dagger
ohh ok
full flame
or i guess if you have a cast build and can spam it
fresh coral
Ares is probably better with heavy investment into ares boons, but Dio's works great without anything else on it
glad mica
dio cast breaks my flow of movement too much lol
if you can land it ares prob doesnt even need invest
it just helps to invest in more ares boons if you cant predict that well
fresh coral
ares won't deal as much damage as dio's on moving targets though
glad mica
if you get them against a wall
like even minotaur can be bullied with ares
in the theseus fight if you sanwich him inbetween a pillar and the wall he sits there for long enough to get a solid 3-4 hundred
native ether
real ppl take athena dash and use acorn on hades
false... true hardcore gamers take lambent plume and no hit Hades :kappa:
fresh coral
He does spend a lot of time doing nothing
But Dio's can damage both theseus and minotaur
full flame
my favorite with ares is stacking doom build with chiron bow
glad mica
doom just never goes off for me bc i continue hitting the enemies
and it resets the doom
so i just dont take it
full flame
it won't reset
full flame
never seen that
fresh coral
I had an exagryph doom run just yesterday and it went well
glad mica
for doom to go off
fresh coral
If you see that again, report the bug?
glad mica
idk maybe it was bugging with something else i had
full flame
even with doom on attack i've seen it consistently go off while being hit
glad mica
i thought it was just how doom worked
fresh coral
nay, doom be good
native ether
hitting something with doom when it already has a doom effect does not restart the doom animation
native ether
it merely does not apply doom again until it runs out
The exception is if you have Dire Misfortune. Hitting an enemy will add extra damage to that current doom effect (if you have Dire Misfortune that is)
glad mica
i prefer taking aphro dio or artemis attack for the dmge output for potential charm on autos
full flame
or you get the stacking boon, and it just adds damage up to the point it goes off
yeah, that
native ether
and ofc with Merciful End a deflect attack immediately triggers the doom with some extra damage
fresh coral
Therefore, it's the best.
glad mica
ill prioritize dio over like zeus or poseidon but usually if its tied between dio and like aphro athena artemis ares etc ill go for the other
full flame
@native ether does it trigger the original doom full damage plus the merciful end? i thought it just fast triggered it with only the merciful end damage
fresh coral
I'm just thirsty for nectar
glad mica
lol usually i get a lot of nectar
native ether
i believe it does both but its worth double checking
fresh coral
Hades is a dating sim, with roguelite elements on the side
glad mica
im afraid i wont have enough ambrosia to max people out and that makes me sad
mild crag
to be fair premium vintage is extremely good
glad mica
the slowed projectiles boon is amazing
fresh coral
It just gives you a nectar (which just levels a boon too, if you have that), max HP, and every future nectar raises max hp
best boon
10/10
glad mica
idk fam
full flame
meh
mild crag
one of my favourites
glad mica
charm is p op rn
glad mica
if you have attack speed flurry spear and then weakness on reg attacks bosses cant hit you lmao
full flame
charm is dangerous
glad mica
??
mild crag
he's right you know
fresh coral
anyway gtg, y'all have a good night
glad mica
fr?
mild crag
asphodel mini boss hit me for 2000
full flame
charmed enemies do extra damage, and sometimes it can hit you
mild crag
basically since enemies have a lot more hp than you, their attacks get big buffed so they do lots to enemies
but like Jager said sometimes it glitches out and hits you
glad mica
that would be why i took 400 damage from one tick of hades beam
mild crag
yes likely lol
full flame
wait, you can charm hades?
glad mica
yah lmao
glad mica
its reduced time but it works and its amazing
full flame
i didn't even think it worked on bosses
glad mica
oh it does
full flame
interesting
glad mica
and if you spam attacks fast enough you can basically chain it
mild crag
glad mica
which is why i love charm
full flame
wow
glad mica
chiron bow achilles spear and hestia have got to be my favoritesd
mild crag
Skelly's
glad mica
also how do i beat game with shield sos
i literally have 3 heat 20 minute runs on other weapons and then i cant beat normally with shield ;-;
mild crag
chaos shield is op
supple haven
shield is basically sword more with extra defence and range
full flame
yeah
small belfry
how tf does blitz shield work cause i tried it and it seems kinda donkey
glad mica
ehhh
i mean
maybe
i think spear can prob out dps sword with the right setup
well maybe not nemesis
sword
but reg sword
full flame
@small belfry you can recall it, and dash away and it'll follow you, so you can kinda loop around/through crowds to keep it going
karmic coyote
imagine arguing about preference
mild crag
i mean shield out dps sword too
glad mica
im not arguing D: just talking :c
small belfry
yeah but its git a really small aoe and low damage, and i haven't had that situation whwre running thru crowds of enemies would just be better then killing them outright
full flame
with a good boon, like zeus it's helps
karmic coyote
imagine talking about preference when bow is clearly the best
full flame
bc you get extra damage on every tick
full flame
also, it's really good with the shield recall explosion, bc you can trigger that faster than other aspects
mild crag
8:38 I think
pallid sky
theyre gonna nerf shield next update arent they
mild crag
@pallid sky probably
supple haven
idk i cant get used to reloading with rail
glad mica
it takes a bit to get into the habit lol
mild crag
they'll probably just nerf everything the fastest runs abuse
glad mica
but when you do it makes bosses insanely quick
full flame
i hate reloading, that's why i always take the infinity chamber lol
glad mica
after shield what are the fastest runs on?
pallid sky
i am also a hold down attack gamer
mild crag
which is chaos shield and merciful end
glad mica
you really dont need to manually reload exagryph at all unless ur using hestia
karmic coyote
Hestia reminds me of cs:go, shoot a few bullets then reload a whole round
glad mica
whats merciful end
mild crag
deflecting attacks trigger doom
so apply doom with special, dash to trigger and repeat
full flame
that's really only good with doom on attack and deflect on dash
glad mica
o
full flame
special is typically too slow
mild crag
its the best on chaos shield with doom on special and deflect on dash
full flame
oh shield i guess might have fast enough special
mild crag
doom on specials deals more damage than attack as well
all special boons are always stronger
full flame
but i really think that you don't get full doom damage, maybe i'm wrong
thought it was just the merciful end listed damage
mild crag
dont get fully doom damage?
full flame
since you're popping it early
mild crag
merciful end increases the damage
full flame
guess i misunderstood that then
mild crag
it tkaes the full damage and icnreases it by a multiplier
full flame
seemed like it always just did the flat 90 from merciful end
mild crag
oh my bad
full flame
might need to do a run with skelly and get it to test
mild crag
it increases it by 90
not a multiplier
its really broken but like only in certain situations
so im curious to see what they do
karmic coyote
anyone feels Aphrodite/Ares duo boon a bit underwhelming, i really like the idea but it just deals a pathetic amount of damage
wooden lodge
I find Ares to be extremely weak
mild crag
Ares is extremely strong tho actually
wooden lodge
Doom special deals, what, 119 damage?>
glad mica
doom isint the strength of hades
its his cast and call
boons that deal insane numbers
wooden lodge
yeah doom is just awful
mild crag
yeah that's the good stuff
if you have an aoe applier
like chaos shield special, rail special or bow special
doom is really potent at clearing rooms too
it sucks on most attacks tho however
karmic coyote
maybe they should buff curse of longing a little, especially when compared it with merciful end and hunting blades
mild crag
im pretty sure the reason its so weak is because of merciful end
if it kept hitting for the same damage it would be a good boon
but if you put merciful end into that
wooden lodge
Zeus's lightning deals a little more than half the damage of doom, but it activates instantly, it can stack with multiple attacks right in a row (try the bow's special at point blank range) and it has all kinds of even mightier bonuses you can add on
mild crag
then holy god damn
karmic coyote
i only picked merciful end once, didn't know it was that strong
but i should try to pick it more now
mild crag
its really good if you have athena dash
with a fast doom applier
so shield special is the best for that
wooden lodge
so what like
basic sword, special attack afflicts doom, and athena dash for the wombo combo
mild crag
better with shield
wooden lodge
or maybe the shield attack inflicts doom with the athena dash
karmic coyote
yeah shield special is perfectly fitting with doom
mild crag
shield special doom, athena dash, merciful end
wooden lodge
so you have to keep reapplying and deflecting
mild crag
but increases its damage by 90
wooden lodge
ohhhhh
mild crag
yeah
wooden lodge
interesting
wooden lodge
gotta try this now
mild crag
we need to raise merciful end awareness to get it nerfed
jk
more like to show how much better it is than curse of longing so my favourite ares duo gets buffed
karmic coyote
nerf sweet nectar too op
pallid sky
when you realise ambrosia is just rebranded nectar
full flame
what's wrong with curse of longing?
mild crag
curse of longing is weak
obtuse ravine
nectar is a shot, and Ambrosia is the bottle haha
mild crag
@full flame its damage gets reduced by 75% each time it hits
karmic coyote
is this an epic pun, curse of longing is WEAK
mild crag
full flame
it's free extra damage when you already have both debuffs
literally don't have to do anything extra for it
mild crag
yes but it's not a lot of damage
mild crag
if you have 100 damage doom
karmic coyote
it's not anywhere near the level of other duo boons
full flame
bc it's based off your total doom damage
mild crag
it increase your doom damage by like
30%
IF you let it tick like 4 times
just look at the numbers on impending doom instead
that increases it by like
60% or something
after a second
not 4 ticks of doom lol
duo is wack ass
i still pick it for triggering status and keeping it triggered
but by itself it's terrible
i also just think its cool
full flame
impending doom makes doom take longer to trigger, for a bigger hit
dire misfortune can further increase the damage the more you stack before it triggers
mild crag
im aware
obtuse ravine
i could never get Dire Misfortune to work for me
full flame
curse of longing will then tick 25% of that big hit
karmic coyote
curse of longing is like continuously hitting your enemies with a spoon
obtuse ravine
the doom always drops by the time my special can shoot out again, feels bad
full flame
i've had 800+ dooms, that'll give 200 on the second hit, 50 on the third......
mild crag
that'll end up ticking for more than one impending doom proc
what'd you use to get 800+ doom
full flame
chiron bow
mild crag
you could use that to more quickly apply 8 stacks of poison which could be ticking for like 300 damage a tick
the important thing about poison is it stays effective for way longer than curse of longing does
and ticks way faster
and requires fewer boons to get going
for poison you just need poison
for that doom you need impending doom, stacking doom, weak on an attack and the duo boon
full flame
you'd need poison, duo, weak on attack, and at least some sort of extra damage bonus like dio legendary for that kind of damage
mild crag
alright 150 a tick then instead
full flame
8 stacks of 10 damage, is 160 a second
mortal sail
After the first nectar to each character do the additional hearts have an effect or is just for dialogue ?
mild crag
@mortal sail dialogue and there is some extra story stuff and unlockables for certain characters
mortal sail
Anywhere i can see a list of which ones i should max for gameplay effects?
mild crag
Meg, Than, Skelly and Sisyphus have special companion Keepsakes
mortal sail
Just the 4? thanks
mild crag
there are others you might need to give nectar to to push their story lines along but im not 100% on specifics
@full flame Sorry if I'm coming off as rude, I just think Curse of Longing could be way stronger than it currently is to keep up with the other duo boons which are literally game changing
full flame
it's cool
i just haven't felt any of the duo boons are completely game changing so far
just a nice bonus
going in to test merciful end though
mild crag
obtuse ravine
Festive Fog Lightning is fun
karmic coyote
also in the topic of duo boon, what do you guys feel about heart rend, isn't it just a stronger version of clean kill from artemis
epic clean kill is already 30% and heart rend gives 50%, doesn't seem that exciting
granite finch
Fun fact both shots of lightning will do same amount of damage