Dusa is love dusa is life
#h1-builds-and-combat
compact wyvern
calm sandal
So why does Barge of Death become so extreme with middle managment? Theoretically one extra enemies shouldn't mean that much
pure junco
It's not one extra enemy.
compact wyvern
Because it's already pretty hard at mid heat and adding more makes it pain I think
Oh
pure junco
What
crisp matrix
yea the description doesn't do it justice
pure junco
Ah
With Athena dashes, you deflect all attacks when dashing.
Hermes gives extra dashes.
compact wyvern
Oh it's a that strat
Ares Athena is better
I had that build
||Nearly 0 death defied Hades||
It's borken af
pure junco
I'm pretty sure that people don't care about spoilers in here.
compact wyvern
Mods do
calm sandal
Beat the final boss the first time with that build
Got everything except for the +3 to cast
pure junco
Neat
compact wyvern
Cough cough Sparrow#1433 cough cough
whole burrow
I had a heroic Artemis call that did half of Hade's HP
whole burrow
2nd
compact wyvern
Damn
whole burrow
It was after his 2nd invincible
calm sandal
I found Artemis to be unreliable against him since he goes invincible so much that he usually tanks 3/4ths of it
compact wyvern
Na
whole burrow
He goes invincible at like
compact wyvern
Hydra the skip
whole burrow
Phase 1 (two times)
compact wyvern
Lol
whole burrow
Phase 2 (once)
whole burrow
I believe in phase 1, he goes invincible at 1/3 and 2/3 HP
And then phase 2, it's 1/2
pure junco
I finally get to use my companion on Hades, now that I remembered it.
whole burrow
Oh yeah. By the time I had cleared the game like 30 times, I haven't even realized companions were a thing
calm sandal
Ive just started a chiron bow run to try it out, right away got an epic artemis special and two poms of power to bring it to 100% bonus damage and 20% crit
whole burrow
So I was constantly like, "I wonder if Ambrosia has any use"
whole burrow
I think Artemis is my favourite
The bow and spear are my two favourite weapons
There was this one run where I had like... 300% extra Dash damage through both Artemis boon and Chaos boon
pure junco
Where do I do bug reports?
whole burrow
And I had additional Hermes dashes
calm sandal
F10 ingame
pure junco
K
whole burrow
Every stage, I would just hug a corner and sit there with block
And then use the piercing wave
whole burrow
???
compact wyvern
It's a joke about people being idots in ds1 and just sitting behind shield it was horrible I apologise
pastel jolt
spoilers are fine in this channel, it's discussion where you need to tag them
pure junco
Now I am sad that I can't use my casts :(.
whole burrow
I don't like Doom. It's good for early game, but I think it outlives its usefulness later where its base damage is negligible.
I think Doom is my least favourite curse
pure junco
I died while my casts where in the air and they disappeared, now I will probably lose.
whole burrow
Does it?
compact wyvern
Y
whole burrow
Isn't the base damage like 136
compact wyvern
A
200 something for heroic
Also you can stack it plus merciful end plus chaos shiekd
Shiedl
Shield
pure junco
Hades' swing hitboxes are so off, LOL.
whole burrow
I've had a run with bow and I had the powershot upgrade and the range upgrade with artemis
pure junco
I just got hit by Two when I was at least a dashes length away.
whole burrow
And I've done 700 damage in one shot
pure junco
Nice SeMille.
compact wyvern
Ya but doom can do that just as fast
pure junco
My highest was 1766
compact wyvern
More infact
whole burrow
I thought Dooms don't stack
pure junco
They don't.
compact wyvern
It's an boon actually
Also merciful end and really really fast
Special Athena dash repeat
pure junco
I beat Hades anyways, but wow that was way more close than it had to be.
whole burrow
Athena Duo can trigger doom faster
compact wyvern
Ya
pure junco
Yea one of Ares' boons can cause Doom to stack I think.
compact wyvern
That's what it does?
whole burrow
(mindblown)
compact wyvern
Lol
calm sandal
I thought Athena's duo only made blades home
pure junco
Or I might be completely off my rocker.
compact wyvern
It does what it says it does oh my god
pure junco
Artemis does homing blades.
compact wyvern
Artemis eazee
whole burrow
Wait... Some of the boons you're talking about
calm sandal
II meant to say Artemis
whole burrow
I haven't seen once in 30 runs
pure junco
5 in a row boys.
whole burrow
Does RNG just hate me?
compact wyvern
Athena and ares is the proc doom thing
pure junco
Oof
compact wyvern
It's kinda hard to get
pure junco
You are unlucky.
pure junco
I rarely see Ares.
whole burrow
Lol.
pure junco
And Zues.
pure junco
Same about the first part
compact wyvern
Love him
whole burrow
I like Artemis because she acts all tsundere towards me
compact wyvern
He's op af
calm sandal
whole burrow
Oh... Speaking of Ares, one thing I did do is a Blade Rift build
compact wyvern
whole burrow
I had Hunting Blades, +5 bonus Casts, and a Lv 5 Upgraded Blade Rift
calm sandal
Im high I guess, for somereason I thought I read that someone said Artemis duo made doom stack
whole burrow
Like... The RNG to get the +2 from Chaos was unbelievable
whole burrow
I also had Hermes rapid fire
compact wyvern
Ya op af
whole burrow
2 +1's from chaos and the +3
whole burrow
If I only had the +100% cast damage from CHaos as well
compact wyvern
Ineedit
pure junco
Yea Dire Misfortune: Your Doom effects deal more damage when applied multiple times.
pure junco
Basically you can stack them.
One procs, then the next on the same target will do even more.
compact wyvern
Single best boon in the game iyo?
calm sandal
But its like 8 damage a stack
pure junco
Curse of longing is amazing though: Your Doom effects continuously strike Weak foes.
Successive Hit Damage: 25%
calm sandal
It just adds like 8 damage a hit to the existing doom
compact wyvern
What is the best boon in your opinion I'm saying
whole burrow
Uh... I really having +3 dashes from Hermes
pure junco
Basically keep weak and they just die.
whole burrow
Not particularly strong
compact wyvern
Curse of longing is bad
whole burrow
But it feels satisfying
pure junco
Curse of longing is the best boon.
compact wyvern
No way
pure junco
It stacks infinitely.
compact wyvern
It doesn't scale
pure junco
That sucks
kindred matrix
Curse of longing is really bad lol
pure junco
Vengeful mood seems op
kindred matrix
You actually are better off using
compact wyvern
Can we get a call based god
kindred matrix
Additional doom hits add damage
pure junco
Every 3.5s your revenge boons proc
kindred matrix
Rather than curse of longing
compact wyvern
Vengful mood?
kindred matrix
Yeah
pure junco
All of your Revenge attacks occur without taking damage.
Auto-Revenge Rate: 3.5 Sec.
pure junco
I'm just copy pasting from the wiki.
compact wyvern
Fun tho
whole burrow
I like Dionysus Lightning Cloud
pure junco
Yea it is haha
kindred matrix
Dionysus lightning cloud is strong
abstract pilot
best boon is probably athena dash 😢 boring life
pure junco
If you have zues, aphro, or ares.
whole burrow
It just looks fun
compact wyvern
WAIT
pure junco
Every 3.5s deal your aoe
compact wyvern
Fing no attack build
pure junco
Yea
compact wyvern
No special
kindred matrix
Black out + dionysus zeus duo boom
pure junco
Big fun
compact wyvern
No cast
pure junco
But you must attack
compact wyvern
Only call/revenge
pure junco
Because it's a duo boon and you can't get a duo boon without attacking.
whole burrow
I had a poison artillery build
pure junco
Nice
compact wyvern
After first world that is
pure junco
Ares is tronger than I first thought.
abstract pilot
maybe you could attack only traps until you get a revenge boon, that sorta counts
whole burrow
I had the triple bomb upgrade, the cloud that strengthens poison, festive fog with zeus, and poison on my artillery special
abstract pilot
oh wait you can get a revenge boon at the very start
pure junco
I'll try it if you try it.
kindred matrix
Tbh
pure junco
It's a nice challenge.
whole burrow
The wiki tells you how the boons are tiered
kindred matrix
Poms of power give +1
whole burrow
I could see it being useful if you have good RNG
pure junco
Mhm
whole burrow
Lol
pure junco
Zues aspect on shield seems super fun ngl
heavy bough
dumb question but can someone explain the benefits of a rarity upgrade vs level upgrade?
abstract pilot
does that boon work with poms from taking nectar?
heavy bough
arent they both just stat increases
pure junco
Alright, I'm going to attempt a no attack run. I am using zag sword with Ares keepsake.
kindred matrix
Zeus aspect + zeus special + daedalus explode on return is hillarious
whole burrow
@heavy bough They're kind of the same to be honest. I think Rarity Upgrades are better.
pure junco
Rarity upgrade increases the rate at which they increase.
kindred matrix
^
pure junco
I love explaining things.
whole burrow
@heavy bough Because if you come across a new Boon that overrides it, an Epic becomes Heroic
pure junco
And you know what they say about heroics...
heavy bough
you mean like, if i have a rare item and something is up for replacing it, itll be epic rarity, and so on?
kindred matrix
Yes
heavy bough
so choosing rarity upgrade is banking on luck for later
abstract pilot
i think at level 1, a pom is around equal to or sometimes more than a rarity increase
abstract pilot
but each successive pom falls off quite quickly
kindred matrix
^
pure junco
Want to see my first attempt?
heavy bough
gotcha so instead of going like lvl 3 you would be inclined to upgrade instead
whole burrow
First attempt at what?
whole burrow
Lol
abstract pilot
i feel like it might be better to take nyx's keepsake and just pray at the beginning
pure junco
Zag sword
whole burrow
Ewwww
abstract pilot
and i would take zag shield?
calm sandal
Do I choose Vicious Cycle or Hunting Blades?
pure junco
Yea
abstract pilot
how far in are you?
calm sandal
early
pure junco
If you get both you win
calm sandal
half through asphodel
abstract pilot
you could greed since you sort of have double the chance for hunting blades
pure junco
abstract pilot
if you haven't had hunting blades before you should just take it because it's quite the treat 🙂
pure junco
That was a fun first attempt.
whole burrow
Are you playing with any pacts?
pure junco
No, you could see if you watched the video.
compact wyvern
Hey guys
compact wyvern
Penguin the doom
whole burrow
(That rhymes)
pure junco
OK
kindred matrix
It fixes it doesnt it?
pure junco
Ima die now.
abstract pilot
stuck on hammer means you can do a nice real run first!
kindred matrix
Ie exit game and close
whole burrow
Can you only get a maximum of 2 hammers per run?
pure junco
I just realized that I ended my 5 streak 
pure junco
Yea
pure junco
Numbskulls have such odd behaviors.
pure junco
I have 4 DD to go through ;-;
whole burrow
Anyway. It's been fun all. But i got to be working on my pet project
Have a good evening
pure junco
Cya!
obtuse ravine
had a fun spear run ahah https://i.gyazo.com/32da35d148759d1b8bddbf3ea67b4aae.png
I only used the special against the final boss lmao bc my attack was pretty bad
calm sandal
Just got the +4 special shot with chiron bow
pure junco
Nice
gloomy bone
Is there any point to giving Nectar beyond the first one (apart from the four characters that have a very specific reason to give more)
hollow sorrel
possibly in a later version
gloomy bone
So it offers nothing now? That's a shame
copper bolt
what does ambrosia do
serene nexus
I mean. Giving Nectar to Orpheus is how you get him tot eventually sing
gloomy bone
Oh, yeah that's right
serene nexus
I got goosebumps when I first heard him sing
gloomy bone
It's gotten to the point where I'm only giving Nectar to characters I've confirmed to offer something later on via the wiki. I don't want to waste Nectar for no reason!
crisp matrix
damn I had Artemis Cast 220 Dmg. +60% Secondary Shot. +4 Casts. +60% Cast Dmg. Flurry Cast.
who needs weapons
stuck nova
Has there been any talk of a colorblind mode yet? I hadn't thought about it, but someone was complaining in feedback that the pink butterflies weren't visible against the green background and I realized that for someone with red-green colorblindness they'd be basically invisible
pure junco
That would suck, butterflies suck.
wispy wagon
"It's the butterfly room again"
dapper cloak
just 989 conversations left with Hades...
by the way I just noticed that Nyx and Charons portraits are veeery similar....
versed ibex
apparently those are placeholder portraits
dapper cloak
ah, ok.
versed ibex
So, the room reroll thingies--those disappear at the end of each run? I thought I was hoarding them and only just realized that I never seemed to have a significant amount
prisma zephyr
yes
wispy wagon
Yeah, they're just a resource you get each run that resets.
versed ibex
bleh. I used the only one I had last run and ended up rerolling athena to obols 😩
dapper cloak
The barge of death with the middle management condition on is the hardest thing in this game in my opinion. Holy moley those bombs and waves are nigh undodgeable, you can't see anything and there are so many!
karmic coyote
yup they need to tone it down a bit that thing is a mess
dapper cloak
I got double death defied in the space of 1 sek once. That sucked.
karmic coyote
honestly the only thing saves me from barge of death on high heat is Bouldy summon
dapper cloak
I haven't got that yet 😦
karmic coyote
have you maxed out Sisyphus hearts yet?
dapper cloak
I have gotten to the point of him having a lock symbol in the next heart.
6 hearts filled. I assume I have to run a bit more and speak to him.
karmic coyote
then keep talking to him till he mentions his contract, then you need to buy the contract from the renovator
and i hope you have been saving up diamonds
dapper cloak
I was a dummy in the beginning and exchanged a bunch of stuff so I barely have anything... So that's fun.
karmic coyote
it's fine, after this contract you're pretty much done and the only use of diamond is to buy music sheets
azure bone
Barge can either be really easy or really hard
potent lichen
Question:
If Artemis Makes you have 15% chance to crit
And Artemis Makes you have 5% chance to crit on all damage
and Aspect gives you 10% chance to crit on attacks
Does my Attack have a 30% chance to crit or 3 chances at different %'s (5,15,10)
azure bone
30%
potent lichen
Thought so , thanks
grizzled tusk
got my first win this patch
brought to you by blade rift and several well cast buffs
potent lichen
HAHAHA blade rift is so op if you get it early.
wooden lodge
hey where is the save data for hades stored?
grizzled tusk
I may have gotten the rift on the FIRST ROOM
I also got the hermes legendary bloodstone retrieval
so I was pretty safe
wooden lodge
nm got it
dapper cloak
I just got homing bladerift cast for the first time. It's better than I imagined
wooden lodge
I really want to try that
potent lichen
Does attacking +30% effect bow in the pull back of the bow?
wooden lodge
In English, goddammit!
potent lichen
How fast u can get power shot to flash
so if regular is 1.5 sec lets say, does 30% attack speed make it 1.2 sec
stuck bough
what's a good build for the nemesis aspect?
crisp matrix
I would do Aphro attack, Ares special, Athena dash
standard stuff
the rest depends on what you get
had a run with Super Nova + Double Nova, so I ended up just spamming special
stuck bough
Ah nice
crisp matrix
but if you get World Splitter or Cruel Thrust you can run with attack playstyle
atomic panther
👀
crisp matrix
😂
dapper cloak
44 escape attempts, 15796 slain foes. Time flies when you have fun eh?
crisp matrix
definitely, been looking for a game like this for so long
doesn't even feel like an early access
it's like a full game already
dapper cloak
that's pretty much what my steam review says
I almost can't believe how much I enjoy the music. Well done Darren Korb!
azure bone
Kinda sad there's no voice channels in this discord to stream an example of something whenever its on topic.
native ether
would be nice to have a couple yeah
summer forge
hey, so i'm having a lot of issues with the lord hades boss. i can make it there on most runs, sometimes with 1 or 2 death defiances left, but he always destroys me
he does so much damage, and he can often one shot me once he gets to the second phase
how in the world do i beat him?
summer forge
oh i thought this was gameplay discussion
unkempt pagoda
dapper cloak
I try to get my hp to around 200 and dash in hit a couple of times and dash out. Then dodge whatever nasty attack he throws and dash in again.
Second phase I find is easier than the first if you get to know his moveset
summer forge
yeah, i've gotten ambrosia on every weapon so i'll just keep trying with the spear ig
dapper cloak
The spear is my favourite I think. I prefer something like Zeus thunder attack (fixed damage number) to a % boost like artemis or poseidon. I feel I get more out of the fast attack speed of the spear that way and try to get the hold mouse to attack endlessly upgrade.
But a general tip to clearing the game: DEFENCE! Pick all HP upgrade you can find during the run. That way you can take a hit and learn the patterns. Athena is also a great choice to get reflect or defence boost. Artemis can give dodge.
azure bone
Spearpoint keepsake helps a ton. The big things to keep out for are to make sure you get hit by no jars (Just run to a clear area and dodge the shockwave)
He always jab jab spins, so make sure to be away from him for the spin
summer forge
what's the spearpoint keepsake?
azure bone
and when he goes invisible you can see his footprints. If there's a slide he's going to throw a skull when he reappears, if there's footprints he's going to stab and spin
dapper cloak
I recently started breaking the jars near me prematurely to create my own clear area
azure bone
If yout ake damage you go invulerable for .5 to 1.5 seconds
Makes it so his laser in phase 2 doesn't hit very hard
summer forge
yeah when i got to phase 2 last time it sucked i took 175 damage twice in a row
i was so confident going in with 2 death defiances
azure bone
You can LoS the laser with the corner on upper left
Alternatively, having Ares call is super useful on phase 2
dapper cloak
When he's in phase 2 I try to stick close to the tombstone(?) in the right part of the arena so I can use that to block the beam.
summer forge
interesting. i'll try to see if i can beat him lol, i can get to him just not win
azure bone
Well once you get used to him he becomes one of the easiest bosses
dapper cloak
Ares/Artemis Duo homing bladevortex cast DESTROYED Hades. Best thing I've gotten so far
azure bone
All of his attacks are highly predictable
Yea but like, ares/artemis duo is brokenly OP
No way it isn't getting nerfed soon
grand smelt
I would like it replaced. Shield blocking is pretty fun, but Hunting Blades is just automatic mode and it's finnicky to get, it's not very fun.
azure bone
I think hunting blades would be fine if the ares blades couldn't stack atop of one another
Its just the fact you can shoot out 3-7 of them and all of them deal full damage to one target
dapper cloak
yah. 4 casts of ares deathwirl gets OP even on base level when stacked and homing
azure bone
Add in viscious cycle and last boss dies in <30 seconds
dapper cloak
I would rank the bosses from easiest to hardest: Furies,Snake,Hades,Mino-pair. The first two being downright easy even when boosted and the second two have the possibility to wreck you in some instances
turbid needle
Hunting Blades has been where it is for a long time now.
royal sonnet
do you guys do minotaur or theseus first?
turbid needle
You should try Extreme Measures Hydra with at least 30% Forced Overtime and at least 400% Heightened Security.
dapper cloak
haha
turbid needle
Asterius first.
summer forge
about asterius and theseus, is there any faster way to kill theseus?
i can take out asterius pretty fast, but my god theseus takes a genuine century
azure bone
When he throws his spear he turns aroudn and is vulnerable
dapper cloak
I do most of my damage when he summons the gods during the 50% hp shift
summer forge
can you attack him then?
turbid needle
If you've got anything that can burst, like a Greater Call or Summon, use it when he invokes a god after his invincibility.
Yep.
dapper cloak
yah
azure bone
When he's invoking he's not vulnerable
turbid needle
If you don't mind tanking some damage or you're feeling froggy enough, you can very easily burn him down there.
Yes he is.
azure bone
but when the shield drops he'll just stand there for a little while
fathom veldt
Artemis greater call does a good chunk if he's vulnerable
turbid needle
Yes, that's what we're talking about.
summer forge
ah, i didn't know that, that'd help
turbid needle
Artemis's Call hits through his shield normally.
All of those green seeking arrows do.
azure bone
Also, although most will kill astarius first
fathom veldt
So I've been timing it for jothing
azure bone
both of them will do nothing while calling on the gods
turbid needle
Asterius will still attack.
azure bone
He doesn't for me o.o
He just kneels and prays as well
He does it on a bit of a delay but he becomes just as vulnerable
dapper cloak
well I have to try a extreme measures 2, 50% forced overtime now. I predict I wont even make it past furies.
well the triple furies wasnt easy when they attack so fast! Felt impossible to dodge screen wide attacks. Beat 'em, but at the cost of a death defy:(
turbid needle
I think a 32 Heat clear is about to happen.
trim dust
How far can you stack defences? Does it get to a minimum of 1 or 0?
turbid needle
Nevermind, Tight Deadline is shutting me down.
dapper cloak
Have have gotten such bad blessings..... On third boss with no damage dealing capabilities what so ever.... This Is my doom.
dapper cloak
NOO! Theseus that bastard forced a second death defy out of me the final hit before he died!... Well Hades is definetly gonna kill me if I make it past the nasty satyrs
In the elysium arena I find it difficult to dodge Theseus spear throw. I constantly misjudge the thickness of the pillars. They feel to flat so I get hit even though I take cover.
steep prairie
you can get used to the timing and just dodge it
astral fjord
i think the target blinks when he;s about to throw it
so just time your dash
easier to hit him after that too
dapper cloak
Its the first time I play with 50% forced overtime. Everythings so fast now.
astral fjord
ah yeah forced overtime takes a lot of dd's from me too
suddenly the witches just fill the screen with their bubbles
and if you dont have divine dash your prolly screwed lol
steep prairie
ah if its your first time it will take some time getting used to it
steep prairie
but afterwards when you're used to it and turn it back off its hard to get hit lol
kind cloud
still dont know how people are clearing the game in 20 minutes, i cant break 30 mins no matter what i try dammit
git gud right?
turbid needle
It comes naturally to some people and less so for others.
kind cloud
yea, speedrunning has never been my thing, wish i was better at it
turbid needle
I wouldn't say that 20 minute runs are even speedruns.
astral fjord
i have 'a' run under 20 but its really hard :/
turbid needle
I'll be honest, my fastest time was only on 7 Heat.
dapper cloak
Of to die to Hades. I usually get hit by his 2x skullthrow-SURPRISE LUNGE! attack on normal speed.... Ugh
well... I found a bug.?
death defy triggered at the moment I launched full meter Ares call and now I cant dodge, have no weapon and am gonna die for certain
red hound
This game is kinda fun even if I don't really know what I'm doing 😅
Got to the first boss and man, dat HP Sponge. Got her to half health before dying
Half health after almost 10 minutes of wailing on her 😅
astral fjord
what weapon were u using lol
lament coral
@dapper cloak I had something similar happen to me: used Poseidon's call and my DD triggered after I became impervious
astral fjord
10 minutes on meg is a long time
spark turret
To shed some light on it even though I’m not a runner for this game
There is a lot of rng you can abuse
And some you can
It’s about looking for the right run that allows you to just smash through everything
Shield has the dps for this
Some attack from hades and a good attack boon
Can make shield go sanic fast
And when running 3 death defiance just face tank hades and kill him with damage
primal hatch
I just had Hades glitch out on the second phase
He was just running back and forth along the bottom left edge of the arena and didn't stop until I hit him a couple of times
Not sure if there is a place I should report it if it is a bug
lament coral
did you turn impervious prior to him buggin out?
primal hatch
I don't believe so? I kinda get in the zone during hades fights so it gets hard to remember what exactly happened leading up to it 😅
Looking at my screenshots I'm pretty sure I didn't
prisma zephyr
use the f10 in-game bug reporter
lament coral
Do Hades rooms not exist outside of Tartarus? Those are the rooms that you need to survive for 45 seconds in.
charred solar
Correct
lament coral
why tho?
Tartarus is not difficult at all, and later biomes have more enemies with ranged attacks and chasing enemies in general
red hound
what's the easiest weapon for a n00b who isn't very good at action games lol. I'm assuming bow
lament coral
shield with the Chaos aspect
charge your rush for a moment, release, then press Q and watch everything die
native cipher
so does hera aspect frequently bug out for anyone else?
lament coral
bug out how?
charred solar
loading multiple of a cast that will stick into the enemy can be a bit buggy, yes
native cipher
load 7 bloodstones into my shot
shoot arrow
lose all 7 bloodstones
only shoot 2 bloodstones
2 bloodstones appear lodged in the enemy
2 bloodstones pop out
exit wounds deals damage two times
picks up bloodstones
gets all 7 back
lament coral
huh 🤔
native cipher
hera aspect is theoretically fantastic
prisma zephyr
orrr shoot 2 bloodstones, absolutely nothing happens, counter shows 0/2 bloodstones, load 2 bloodstones
hera jank
native cipher
like when it works it makes up for how much the bow generally sucks
twin hare
is hestia aspect on gun intended to not work with spread shot upgrade from daedalus hammer or a bug? because the 1st shot isnt spread
karmic coyote
it doesn't
charred solar
the empowered shot fires like normal, then any others you shoot do the 5x spread
twin hare
kinda dissapointed when i encounter this
charred solar
^
karmic coyote
would be too op otherwise
charred solar
I get it for balance reasons, but I wish there was more indication when expected interactions like that won't work
lament coral
did you want your Hestia shot's damage to be spread between 5 projectiles?
twin hare
yeah i was expecting some mega shotgun interaction
charred solar
That would only feel right if the normal damage was also spread between the 5, which... it's not
lament coral
it's not?!
lament coral
does that mean your normal does 50 damage per burst?
with shotgun
a normal attack is 10 damage, shotgun shoots 5 projectiles
twin hare
well the later shot is shotgun spread, but not the 1st empowered one, welp i can see why it can be too strong
i think the tooltiplike ui like riyshn said would help
ionic coyote
what counts as an encounter, i see that there is 68 chambers but it feels impossible to level a single keepsake to 3 off 1 run. so encounter must be a keyword used for certain rooms and excluding others, is an encounter only a combat room ?
just trying to min max all my keepsakes
vital stratus
An encounter is when you fight someone in the room
grand smelt
Encounters are combat rooms, Chambers are any room BUT they are defined as full tunnels in Styx
ionic coyote
im not 100% on this but i think if the trove over heals you it gives you nectar as a reward?
thats the only time it happens to me, so that the trove isnt completly pointless for a run where u start the challange with 80%+ HP
lament coral
you'd think that, but I did a no hit trove with full HP and it didn't give me a nectar
ionic coyote
no clue then
spare cobalt
I think the trove nectars are just a low percent chance.
gray lintel
i think hades rooms are more of a tutorial in defense is better than offense
aka the DBZ abridged teaching method of DOOOOOOOOODGE
lament coral
are they really? In Tartarus, they feel more like "run around in a circle until the clock runs out" rooms
in Asphodel and Elysium, which feature better witches and chariots, that would be a real challenge
gray lintel
that's defense yes
lament coral
not to mention butterflies that would cover the whole screen
spare cobalt
I mean, sometimes they're a lesson in 'the best defense is a good offense.'
ionic coyote
thats because you have a understanding of the game now, and typically when they occur you have builds that would be able to handle them making them feel easy, for a new player teaching that sometomes dodging and keeping out of danger is better then trying to brute force everything
lament coral
that's, uh, not true?
the first time I saw a survival room I just kept fighting
cause I thought I would get something out of it. Once I realized you get nothing, I just started running in a circle
not very engaging tbh
unborn trellis
you get gold iirc
gray lintel
you also can take less damage
spare cobalt
If you can quickly remove an enemy, you don't have to avoid its attacks and there's measurably less screen chaos.
gray lintel
like floating heads are generally killed in a single shot
lament coral
unless they're shielded, with a double blue shield on top
it's just not worth the fuss, and the enemies aren't very imposing, aside from bombers, I suppose
gray lintel
it's situational and depends on your build at that point and what monsters are spawned
generally in my experience the first half shoud be killing stuff until you are overwhelmed and then kite
granite finch
ionic coyote
i understand your point of adding survival too later stages would make them much more difficult, but is there a need for increasing the base difficulty of all the areas, as that might gate some of the less mechanical players into not being able to clear those rooms. and instead add it to the pact of punishment. and even then the pact of punishment is there for better players to increase the difficulty
lament coral
I just thought, Thanatos can spawn in any biome
except Styx
so why not survival rooms?
ionic coyote
they are fundamentally different challange rooms though
one can help a player through a room forgoing an extra rewards and the other is a hinderance that could end a run
lament coral
are they? You could run around a Thanatos room and let him mop it all up
you don't get extra stuff but it's practically the same as survival
ionic coyote
in that case, is there a need for hades rooms then, i would rather see thanatos and have a friendly challange then hear hades sick a boring time challange on me
lament coral
but it's only boring in Tartarus, where the enemies are so frail
reckon you'd change your mind if you were facing 4 butterflies and an army of chariots
ionic coyote
i would find it tedious and annoying, if i had to deal with that on my first run in elysium
lament coral
I'll be honest, I started the game on hell, so I don't know what a normal Elysium run is like
I know that on hell it was hell
ionic coyote
meeting thanatos for the first time was exciting because his cool model and the challange, which is why they opted to use him as the survival challange in the other zones, and since hades survival made sense lore wise for tartarus they left it since its been like that since the start of the game
azure bone
@keen shard Hestia Aspect
Its a ton of fun once maxed
I heard the second aspect is fun to with a zues/poseidon build but I haven't done it yet
lament coral
Rail with special hammers is where it's at
doesn't matter which aspect
just bomb em all
opal bay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/664098462102585366/20200107162754_1.jpg so what you think, guys, should I go up the speed of my special (since currently it is the source of the most dmg I do) or I go for the dash since the recovery cost looks kind of nice.
stray frigate
@opal bay what is ur weapon
opal bay
rail
stray frigate
is it.... Athena special?
opal bay
yes, the special is stronger and deflects attacks.
lament coral
he's still only in Asphodel, plenty of time to get something useful, like Ares or Artemis
opal bay
though no triple q yet
lament coral
Artemis with triple Q is bananas
opal bay
though my special does slow down enemies for 75% if they are in the radius
of the upcoming bomb
stray frigate
@lament coral just dont take poseidon like i did with triple Q
@opal bay add triple Q and it's ok
opal bay
yeah will try to, if I can find the hammer if not will try and find some alternatives.
lament coral
doesn't affect dashing enemies either, like the exalted
they can just dash out of it
opal bay
oh yeah I don't like how it doesn't slow the enemies with their dashes or jumps :/
but I just need to keep the distance so they don't
chilly summit
Kinda makes the slowdown effects useless for anything outside bosses
opal bay
but yeah guess going for the special, considering I still have already a good starting hp pool
stray frigate
@chilly summit it's logical
opal bay
(thanks, Chaos)
chilly summit
Yee but it makes the effect less useful, and kinda meh
urban void
is there a cap to how many heat skulls you can get in a run early on? I had 1 and did a 7 heat run and won but i only had 6 heat total when i got back to house of hades
not sure why it gave me 5 instead of 7
urban void
1 heat was pretty simple and i wanted to unlock the thing in the training room without doing more runs
not sure what happened
karmic coyote
you can pump up the heat as high as you want
long dagger
Sorry for cutting in, is it fine to post screenshots in here?
urban void
as long as it's a link i think
stray frigate
@long dagger links
karmic coyote
why did you set it to 7 though, 3 rewards are for 8, 16 and 32 heat
long dagger
http://prntscr.com/qkev0v
Yeah no just got this dialogue in game and I can't tell if my English is pulling a 180 on me or if it's bad grammar
urban void
@karmic coyote i had 1 skull from a 1 heat run so i did 7 heat for the next run to try and unlock it faster
ionic coyote
@long dagger did he win the event ? like kill more then you
long dagger
no, I won
urban void
it's clunky but correct English
urban void
now you don't // thanks to me
long dagger
it just looks real clunky to me
ionic coyote
yeah
final fox
ideally there would be a comma there
now you don't, thanks to me
but it's not technically nessecary
long dagger
got real ccaught up on that haha, now it makes sense
karmic coyote
@urban void it only ranks up 1 skull at a time, e.g. if you're currently at 1 and do a 32 heat run it only ranks you up to 2 skulls
urban void
yeah a comma is unnecessary but the sentence is clunky anyway
@karmic coyote how come i have 6 skulls now then after doing 1 heat then 7 heat?
long dagger
as for the "I'm left to thanking myself" part, wouldn't present tense be better here?
Both works I suppose but it just feels once again, clunky
long dagger
hm I suppose yeah I realized that as I sent it, I suppose what I wanted to get at is that "i'm left to thank myself" sounds better to me, what's the difference between thank and thanking here with a fancy term
karmic coyote
no idea, but you can pump it to 8, 16 or 32 heat right now and still get the statue reward
urban void
I'm just gonna do a 2 heat run and hope it actually gives me 2 skulls
urban void
i did a 1 heat and got 1 skull
stray frigate
and?
urban void
then did 7 heat and got 5 skulls for it
urban void
the flaming skulls in the top right corner when you're in house of hades
which I'm assuming you use to unlock the things in the training room
stray frigate
no
urban void
or is it that you just have to do an 8 heat run to unlock it
stray frigate
no no no
karmic coyote
that is what i have telling you pen
urban void
ah since it had the skulls and a counter it looked the same as the other collectables
i didn't think it was just what heat i was currently at
stray frigate
so if u want reward in room u need 8 lvl heat run
karmic coyote
just pump it to 8, 16 or even 32 and get all of them at once, of course if you can manage that
urban void
damn doing 7 heat was just pointless
stray frigate
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
i just got hit by boiling blood
when i was in Ares call
2 more runs for skelly
astral fjord
Has anyone tried hades on steam link?
stray frigate
@astral fjord ?
astral fjord
You know steam link?
Its an app only on android rn i think
That lets you play your steam games on your phone via streaming
stray frigate
i do not have a phone
astral fjord
Wonder if anyone has tried it
chilly summit
@stray frigate wow
astral fjord
Not a smartphone?
stray frigate
y
chilly summit
I mean, tbh, that's the healthier option 😂
keen shard
Ye
loud elk
Does the Daedalus Upgrade "Infinity Chamber" for the Exagryph allow the Hestia Aspect to always fire powered shots?
loud elk
So if I were to take infinity chamber, it would render the aspect null?
hot ember
astral fjord
You just dont 'need' to reload but you still can, hestia or no hestia
novel python
I don't really understand duo boons, do you need to have one boon from both participating gods for it to appear or is only one enough?
stray frigate
@novel python it depends on boon
for example Pos/Zeus requires any basic boon from both
And Ares/Arte need ares call and ANY basic Arte boon
u can read here
astral fjord
Some of them require specific boons but most are tier 1 boons
So just pick a tier 1 boon from 2 gods and pray basically
astral fjord
Duo boons are all nice
Powerwise theyre about as good as any epic or even heroic boon
untold widget
what are the two best curses for Privileged?
stray frigate
@untold widget any
weak/poison/jolted/rupture
Doom is not good cus it's too fast
also there is 1 from Athena i don remeber it's name
untold widget
exposed iirc
compact wyvern
Yep exposed
trim coral
stray frigate
omg lost all DD wit T&M fight
mostly cus of Tight deadline
this becoming too hard 4 me
red hound
I really need to get over the whole "dying=bad" thing; been a long time since I played a roguelike/lite 😅
dense finch
i mean
dying = bad is a good mindset in roguelikes too
gotta analyze why you died and improve
in hades the mindset you need is taking any damage at all = bad
once you get into that mindset, any heat is achievable
pallid sky
joke daedalus idea: +100% damage for spear spin attack for each 360 spin completed during charge up
lofty herald
like 360 noscope in gungeon
copper bolt
more crit after deflecting (just get the attacks deflect) and then more crit dmg against weakened enemies (just get the aphrodite cast)
my crits were doing upwards of 700 against hades
kindred matrix
@spare mirage for bow use a cast build with the cast bow or use a zeus special build with chiron
Chiron needs to be at least level 3 imo
3 arrows is garbage
stray frigate
@kindred matrix lvl 5
kindred matrix
Yeah either way
You want to treat it like a multi hit buile
Build*
Dionysis poison or ares doom with each hit increases damage
Or zeus special
Or if you are doing cast build it becomes easier lol
stray frigate
if u play cast u play Hera no?
spare mirage
The one time I actually beat it was with Hera, I was running a cast build with double cast and rifts
It was actually really kinda crazy, the rifts where seeking and they where everywhere. It was the one time the bow felt really powerful
untold widget
i'll keep that in mind, i just started one last night
kindred matrix
Imo
If I ever play a weapon and im like this sucks
I try to force ares artemis
Even if Im not on the cast aspect
keen shard
I only use hera casts for tippsy
kindred matrix
Hunting blades is actually broken
keen shard
Cause there are better options for other casts
Then hera
Ye ive done hunting blades
kindred matrix
Idk ares just goes with everything I find
Poke build - ares doom does a lot of damage
Multi hit - get doom does extra
Cant take damage if people are dead
untold widget
whats ares artemis again?
i got offered it once but wasnt sure how it worked iirc
might be thinking of a different one
kindred matrix
And makes it lasy for 4.4 seconde base
untold widget
the blade thing
kindred matrix
That + double cast from artemos
untold widget
okay i was thinking of a different one
kindred matrix
- doom blade sucks in people and area of doom blsde increase
untold widget
whats the one that makes your doom trigger quicker? i think thats the one i was thinking of
spare mirage
I just gave ||Bouldy|| a gift and he gave me a +2% "Ambiguity Bonus" What is that?
kindred matrix
And doom blade does more damage per tic
Kills everyone
Ita damage reduction for free
spare mirage
Is there a max gift limit for him or is he just a gift sink?
stray frigate
idk
novel python
Is there a way to ||make Eurydice sing Good Riddance together with Orpheus|| ?
untold widget
Its theorized that ||it will be the ending song||
novel python
Ah
spare mirage
That would make sense
stray frigate
well
we have 2 more summons right?
i hope it woulde 1 for Achilles/Patrocles story
and 2 for Orpheus and his Muze
spare mirage
They had better make one Cerberus I want to pet the good boy mid dungeon.
stray frigate
@wooden lodge Patrocles?
wooden lodge
huh never seen him
stray frigate
looks like
novel python
Yep, patrocles
untold widget
Elysium NPC
novel python
^
untold widget
equivalent to Sisyphus and Eurydice
stray frigate
one of the best ingame trinket imo
untold widget
yeah real good endgame
stray frigate
and one of the greatest meetings
novel python
In which situations would you use the Acorn?
stray frigate
@novel python it may be another choice
novel python
Sadly the spearpoint doesn't block the poison
stray frigate
it does lol
novel python
Not the ticks, I still take them
stray frigate
...no
i mean if u get hit by poison attack
u get 1.5 shield which protect u from poison for that time
and u can dash into mandragore
stoic ginkgo
This is indeed true
novel python
I hate the big rat and the laser ball with my whole life
stray frigate
i remeber i had some good pos build
cast. leg and 2 passive for knockback
90% styx was ended with 1 cast
serene nexus
Out of curiosity, has anyone beat hades on the very first escape attempt without mirror upgrades? I wonder if there’s any special dialogue regarding doing so
spare mirage
I have on hell mode, and no there is nothing.
stray frigate
well not 1st attempt
but 1 guy did it without mirror
with House upgrades, trinkets and weapon
spare mirage
Also it is insanely difficult because you don't get all the gods to help, almost every room is gems keys or darkness, I think I was supposed to run into a god but all I got was a room with food as the reward. :/
Some gods are locked until after you fail once or twice.
Also if you are going to try don't do it on hell mode, it starts you off on 5 heat from the get go.
serene nexus
That might be a challenge that some experienced players might try want to try out
spare mirage
Well it's harder than you might expect because not only do you not get anything from the mirror you also don't get help from a majority of the gods. But yeah I mean there is nothing stopping you from deleting your save every time you die and doing it again. The only issue is that you don't get anything for doing it not even special dialog. Or at least not yet.
royal yarrow
opaque pebble
I think ||Heat|| should be included as a currency, maybe as a way to further increase mirror upgrades past the current point with an added darkness cost.
wooden lodge
ok guys I am really sick of the minotaur's bullrush
how tf do I avoid it?
like I can't even outspeed it with my dashes
stoic ginkgo
Bait him into hitting a pillar
wooden lodge
I try to make him ram into pillars and end up not dashing through them so I eat the hit
spare mirage
I usually fight next to a pillar so that when he starts using it almost instantly hits something (and sometimes that something isn't me)
opal bay
you don't have 2 sprints? Since usually that's enough (for me at least) to get a rush of him and to not get attacked if I missed a pillar.
turbid needle
@wooden lodge dash back through him, he'll have to arc around to run to you, bait him into hitting walls or pillars that way
he can be fickle though
spare mirage
Also I just tested on the poison with the ||Broken Spearpoint||, and it does not proc on poison tick, but it does block the poison when you take any other damage.
wooden lodge
interesting
I never tried dashing into him
it seemed counter intuitive
also I finally met patrocles
the jerk wouldn't let me gift him
ooooh but I have the infinity rail upgrade for infinite bullets
spare mirage
Lol yeah not on the first meeting.
wooden lodge
I am using chain lightning and seeker shots
so when I hit enemies, a bunch of lightning and seeking arrows blast them
opaque pebble
Artie's support fire is OP when you are nimble.
spare mirage
Ohhhh huh so I just screwed my self because I never tried it but apparently if you ||offer the satyr sack to Cerberus|| you can't go back to any of the other rooms. ://///////////
opaque pebble
Yeah, ||it's best to go to every chamber if you have the health and death defys to do it.||
||Especially for Charon's mega shop in the main room.||
pastel jolt
guys, you don't need spoiler tags in this channel
spare mirage
Lol only 975 more conversations with Hades in order to unlock the next bit of text.
Oh cool thanks.
wooden lodge
wow listen to this bragger
I'm at 993 left, buddy
sheesh you don't need to flaunt your superior progression over my head
dire cedar
@south topaz The darkness can be converted sometimes as special deals from the broker.
Just FYI. The cap in hellmode sucks.
south topaz
ahh ty I stopped playing a bit after I hit the cap because all the darkness only choices where getting depressing
spare mirage
Yeah I thought the rerolls where going to be an infinite darkness sink but apparently they even have a limit
(A really high one though)
Also I found a secret room in the house
Although I'm not super sure if it's secret or a glitch.
stoic ginkgo
Where?
spare mirage
hold on getting a screen shot now
Oh RIP I can't post it here
I'll post it on imgur
In between the two pots here you can wiggle your way through the back of the map.
It goes further back down a curved path until you hit an invisible wall
When the game said something about people not knowing how to get in, I started poking around and found that.
dire cedar
An alcove?
spare mirage
Yeah but it's pretty deep and has a bit of a path to it. That's why I thought it was a secret
turbid needle
Zag as a child playing hide and go seek: "Than'll never find me here."
Thanatos, who can teleport instantly to anyone's location: "Hi."
spare mirage
I think it is interesting and was wondering if anyone knew more? Maybe the mods?
stray frigate
i remeber someone f10 about this bug
silver crag
Hey gamers, just wondering, wasnt there a save and quit feature in the middle of a run and I could come back to that run after I cleared the toom? Or did that get patched out?
stray frigate
@silver crag if u r not in fight
u can exit
if u r u can only surr
if i understand ur question correctly
dull pebble
Yeah I think after you finish a room you're clear
dull pebble
Yeah there's def certain criteria i'm just not sure what it is
Sometimes it says give up i guess its just when you're in combat or too close to it
stray frigate
@dull pebble i just remeber some runs when i forget to switch trinkets
and i tried to surr and start it correctly but i couldnt
even when i was right close to enemies
only exit
novel python
The give up thing requires you to get hit at least once
icy edge
Proxy laying down the law
stray frigate
@novel python looks like that
icy edge
And give up works via traps as well
novel python
To get damaged at least once*