By all rights it should be, and I've tried it a couple times, but from my experience it was... not bad, but worse than it probably should be.
#h1-builds-and-combat
spare cobalt
kindred matrix
lightning effects have a chance to strike twice
and the zeus legendary
- jolt
also suicide #2
because I'm still not getting
the thrust thing for sword
nice
no hermes legendary either
oh I got it
all I ahd to do was complain
astral fjord
I don't like the auto-shot
it doesn't snap to the enemy like normal
so I actually have to aim :/
fallow niche
Auto targeting for the bow definitely feels quite broken
Especially for the hydra boss
But every weapon has targeting issues with that one from my experience
astral fjord
Is it just me or does the bow feel like it lacks a lot of room clearing power?
mild crag
no you're right
fallow niche
Needs boons to do that
astral fjord
My fastest bow run is 30 mins
mild crag
doom on the special is about as good as it gets
fallow niche
Lightning is also fairly good on it
astral fjord
feel like tipsy hera is good at clearing but a long cooldown
fallow niche
But I would say that overall the bow definitely feels the weakest of the weapons
astral fjord
which makes it hard at high heat cause forced overtime
fallow niche
A lot of boons are specifically geared towards up close combat
So you can get lucked out hard
But usually you just get fewer good choices overall is what it does
Diluting runs
spare cobalt
Hera aspect can be a room clearing beast, though that's because it's a cast focused aspect.
turbid needle
Not sure what Heat that was on, but I've got 20 cleared. I used Zagreus Aspect with Deadly Strike.
azure bone
Wish the spear spin attakc hammer upgrades were combined
Its so much fun if you get both, but at high heat spear spin attack isn't even usable without both
turbid needle
I wish its Aspects were a lot better.
azure bone
But when you get both it feels amazing
turbid needle
Quick Spin is amazing.
fallow niche
Once got maxed hermes attack speed + the faster attack hammer upgrade on maxed zag aspect
God its so fast
fallow niche
Feels so good
azure bone
max hermes + accurate/faster shots
atomic panther
30 Ammo and not a care in the underworld
fallow niche
Match that with some good spammable boon and its juice town
azure bone
I was running hestia at the time
turbid needle
Gimme Infinity Chamber instead of Flurry Fire and you've got yourself a deal, Diseenith.
mild crag
flurry fire > infinity chamber by far tbh
azure bone
spread fire + piercing fire is 10/10 too
astral fjord
Wish zag aspect spear gave spin charge speed bonus instead
turbid needle
See, I just tried to do one on 18 Heat and I was getting absolutely clobbered.
astral fjord
yeah the damage gets pretty bonkers
azure bone
https://streamable.com/meoss If you can get both spear upgrades it works great
both spin attack
Downside is, well
'get both spear upgrades'
Even there you can see I lost all my DDs before I finally got them
astral fjord
did you get quick spin or massive spin first
azure bone
massive
astral fjord
yeah that would be hard lol
quick spin is more essential to not dying while trying to charge
azure bone
Well achilles helps
You dash to spear -> charge spin
takes enemies time to turn around once you dash behind them
frail vector
achilles gives you how many attacks with bonus dmg?
azure bone
2
astral fjord
basically one spin
azure bone
Punishing is better vs bosses, but punishing requires you to spin at least once before the damage buff applies
frail vector
jab spear with artemis seeking arrows is amazing
azure bone
achilles is a bigger boost for the initial hit
astral fjord
also need to hit the enemy for the boost
azure bone
not for achilles
azure bone
Hades lasts forever
crisp matrix
I just finished a run with achilles level 1
frail vector
where achilles is for two hits
crisp matrix
my tipsy shots were hitting for 400s
azure bone
Once the hades buff is applied it doesn't go away
debuff*
Its really good vs bosses
frail vector
wait, achiles bonus damage applies to casts as well?
azure bone
I don't think so
astral fjord
it does
azure bone
Oh man
frail vector
@azure bone that's sick i thought lasted on you, i didnt know it marked them
turbid needle
Both are 150% at level 5, and yes, Hades is on a timer, Achilles is two hits.
azure bone
Yea it marks them with a debuff, you can test it by hitting skelly with it
crisp matrix
I would max out achilles but I don't have the TBs
if you're playing Achilles you'll probably go for cast build
turbid needle
Really need to start scrolling down to the bottom.
astral fjord
achilles is the best cast weapon imo
astral fjord
50% is miniscule compared to 150%
turbid needle
Eris is up there.
crisp matrix
I went Special Ares, Cast Dio. Pretty happy with the build
turbid needle
Raging Rush is bad.
frail vector
poseidon zeus duo boon is pretty lit
turbid needle
There, I said it.
atomic panther
Raging Rush gives a higher bonus, but requires you to set it up
turbid needle
You can't control your position well enough with it (I'm on MKB, don't @ me) to make it work.
azure bone
I'm on MKB and I love it for repositioning
astral fjord
same
atomic panther
Poseidon Aspect is a true passive +50%
astral fjord
gives you a slower but bigger dash
azure bone
Like I deliberately use it to dodge things since you're invulnerable during the dash
and damage things you dash through
frail vector
how is the spear exploding launcher? just a cheap railgun?
turbid needle
It's actually quite good.
azure bone
spear exploding launcher + zag spear = win
turbid needle
Or you can run it on Hades (won't spawn with Achilles) for big damage.
fallow niche
Its nuts @frail vector
The AoE is massive
Its probably best with the Zag aspect for the increased speed
azure bone
Imo its not as good as the rail's rocket build
but only needs 1 hammer instead of two
triple rockets is hilariously powerful
atomic panther
Honestly? I hate the rockets. I love Triple Bomb, but the rocket is just too hard to hit for me
astral fjord
i feel the same
turbid needle
I love the rocket.
azure bone
Rocket is good cause the AoE is larger I think (or visually looks like it) and it has a higher base damage
atomic panther
If I miss with the bomb but get even vaguely near the enemy, it still gets hit
fallow niche
Spear rocket is a bazooka, Rail rocket makes me feel like I need to be a rocket scientist trying to aim it
azure bone
so if you're running say, aphrodite on it or have a good chaos boon it skyrockets to silly levels
crisp matrix
I run Ares special so I prefer the rocket too
atomic panther
I'd be very surprised if the rockets have a larger aoe
azure bone
skewer
frail vector
is ares + aphrodite duo boon good? the one where it makes curse tick constantly
mild crag
Skewer
astral fjord
there are two
azure bone
Oh wait both are called that
astral fjord
vicious or armor
azure bone
lol
mild crag
Vicious
azure bone
vicious
mild crag
Lol
crisp matrix
vicious def for +50% dmg
astral fjord
aight that's what i thought too xd
crisp matrix
the rest sucks
azure bone
you mean 50% critical on recovery
mild crag
@frail vector not really since the damage is so low
untold widget
i like the armor one personally
mild crag
But it's still worth taking for status
fallow niche
Those are all good but on a blind run I'd take vicious
mild crag
Which 50%?
crisp matrix
damage
mild crag
From skewer? Noh
crisp matrix
oh, then that sucks
mild crag
The only ways to buff doom are privileged status and eris
Well
Aside from other doom boons kek
atomic panther
And Pierced Butterfly
astral fjord
boiling blood too
atomic panther
Boiling Blood doesn't buff Doom
frail vector
i wish the two railgun transformation were a little different, all 3 forms are kinda samey
crisp matrix
doom is just my favourite special
mild crag
Boiling Blood is attack and special
atomic panther
It did used to be all damage! But that was, as you can probably guess, completely broken
astral fjord
oh rlly
azure bone
Eris is prob the best for any kind of 'on hit' build
aka zeus and dio
Doom however works good on like, everything just about <_<
atomic panther
Boiling Blood buffed all damage for the first week it was introduced
crisp matrix
I find doom works well on most specials considering the cooldown
frail vector
@azure bone doom is just such a huge dps boost honestly
atomic panther
Then got nerfed to only attack + special
frail vector
just free extra damage
azure bone
Well
So doom is good for most things
I wouldn't use it on say, hestia however. Or rockets
azure bone
Yea, and without triple special
frail vector
yeah i just did a run with hestia
azure bone
But even on special its iffy
mild crag
It's a status
frail vector
and i got athena + ares duo and had deflect on my attack
mild crag
So I'm okay with it
frail vector
so much damage
azure bone
Yea, I prefer aphrodite on special still though
But she's overpowered so I guess that doesn't count <_<
mild crag
I take aphro on attack
frail vector
weak that good? havesnt realkly messed with it
azure bone
For hestia I go artemis attack
mild crag
But aphro on special works too
turbid needle
Yep.
mild crag
Weak is actually overpowered
frail vector
cauase of the attack dmg bonus?
turbid needle
Yes.
azure bone
Weak would be fine if it came at a cost (not as much damage)
crisp matrix
Aphro is so good with the melee weapons
mild crag
It's the most offensive and defensive at the same time
azure bone
Aphro is good on any weapon
mild crag
It's broken for the same reason chaos shield is
azure bone
Its a status effect, highest base % damage increase, and one of the best damage debuffs in game
mild crag
Just the best at everything
azure bone
I think however it'd be fine if they just nerfed the damage on it
Like make it the lowest damage of the boons, because the weak modifier is so good
the duo for more damage would simply be good to bring it up to par
turbid needle
Swap Poseidon and Aphrodite damage values and I think you're in a much better place.
frail vector
or buff wall damage
it feels weak without the explosion on hit
but the CC is nice
turbid needle
Doesn't help with bosses.
frail vector
exactly
gray lintel
poseidon's also like the best damage in the game tho
frail vector
well nott rue
gray lintel
except against bosses
frail vector
armor shredding and posideon helps with the mobs on hades
azure bone
The mobs on hades are only a thread if its elysium ones <_<
gray lintel
wall slams are crazy deeps
azure bone
threat*
frail vector
@gray lintel i feel like they kind of suck without the explosion on wall hit
but maybe im just building wrong
gray lintel
even without explosion on wall hit wall slams do like double damage
explosion on wall hit just makes it way OP
it's also not really viable for the most part without the duo boon with zeus because bosses don't get knockback :/
to me posidon feesl like either a utility god, or a primary god alongside Sea Storm and zeus's jolted special effect
Posidon knockback + rupture , Sea Storm, and jolted applies Rupture and Jolted to every attack. which is two status effects for privileged status
turbid needle
Nah, Zagreus Aspect bow is amazing with Deadly Strike and a few upgrades.
gray lintel
bow has one of the best specials in the game for applying status effects to an entire room of people, zagreus aspect bow is 30% more damage, and their attacks have innate pierce
attack speed woes are fixed bydash attack
gray lintel
requires hammer 😛
azure bone
Not to hard to get once you have fated
gray lintel
and a lot of people don't like that upgrade because it makes it hard to impossible to backstab with the return
frail vector
fated?
gray lintel
but really bow dash attacks are the bread and butter of bow IMO
gray lintel
the timing on powershots are much more forgiving it feels like and it gives a significant amount of mobility while attacking
hera bow's also legit
astral fjord
you dont have to charge the spear special and it deals about the same damage
gray lintel
hera bow effectively gives you infinite cast speed because it's an instant action to store a cast on your next attack
wooden lodge
ok so After Party Heroic-Tier (always return to 60% maximum life after an enounter at minimum) plus Premium Vintage (get more max life when guzzling alcohol) is a potent combo. Wow, it makes the game so much easier for sustain. Bosses are the only problem, now.
astral fjord
sounds nice
gray lintel
hera bow also starts the cast where it hits. means Ares cast is now ranged, Aphrodite cast is long range
festive fog is easier to hit
admittedly it makes Athena's cast significantly weaker, I guess
candid merlin
Fav god for Spear y'all?
gray lintel
it depeeeeends
azure bone
^
gray lintel
but probably hermes for more dashes :v
candid merlin
I mean I'm just asking for my starting keepsake
gray lintel
spear can make most gods work, I recommend taking coinsack instead
serene nexus
i enjoy starting with coinpurse for keepsake
candid merlin
I mean I kinda want to lvl up all the keepsakes tho
and the coinpurse is maxed out
serene nexus
the middle two keepsakes can change depending on what gods I need.
Chaos is another one
gray lintel
so this is my usual strat
candid merlin
Chaos is rare tho 😦
serene nexus
since i find it less risky to deal with his penalties during the first two levels
azure bone
Not really, esp if you buy the item
I don't think i've ever not gotten chaos before first boss
gray lintel
Area 1: Coinpurse. You don't really need anything to help you get through the first area, and +100 coin is 
lament coral
I prefer to start with a god boon, then coin, then whatever, and end it all with a spear
candid merlin
I think there a lot of times I haven't gotten chaos before the first boss 😛
And then it becomes even rarer next areas
gray lintel
Area 2: I swap to a god boon, usually because I got X boons and I want Y boons to set up a combo or get a god duo combo.
candid merlin
Hell I'm surprised when I find more than 2
serene nexus
Also, today I learned you can dash cancel Hestia's reload if you bind it to a close key
gray lintel
Area 3: I sometimes swap to a second god boon, same as area 2. Otherwise some survivability thing.
Area 4: Always survivability, no point in forcing gods at that point.
serene nexus
I have it on an alt mouse button. three round burst, throw q, reload into dash cancel to reposition, and rinse and repeat
gray lintel
there's a lot of weird stuff you can do with that
did you know that you can Combo 1, Dash, Combo 2, Dash, Sword T hrust with the sword?
serene nexus
yep
gray lintel
but the timing is finnicky and it's difficult to do so reliably
azure bone
I wonder if you grab gold keepsake after chaos boon for +gold if it works on it
serene nexus
yep
serene nexus
it works like tooth. i checked
astral fjord
oh man lost my run
didnt get bouncing spear :/
those suicide bomber carts took 2 dds
feelsbadman
gray lintel
apparently suicide bomber carts blow up if they hit terrain 
gray lintel
honestly with spear you can just like... stab them
astral fjord
even had +93 and an incoming +97 special
gray lintel
spear apparently has better range than gun lol
serene nexus
but yeah... i had an elysium run where I ran into three chambers full of suicide carts... on a jury summons modifier
gray lintel
like, the spear attack can outrange the gun's projectiles
astral fjord
spear has the most range out of all weapons on zag aspect isnt it
gray lintel
suicide cart explosion also seems short ranged and part of it seems to be a projectile blocked by attacks?
for the special yes
astral fjord
its the same range as rail with extended jab too
gray lintel
but the special is kinda slow and not a good DPS weapon IMO
astral fjord
definitely not
serene nexus
it really isn't. not sure why everyone's was talking about building special for spear
gray lintel
compared to the attack portion, which can make like 5+ attacks a second with 700 damage each c:
astral fjord
it's really hard cause u need them to line up if you were to clear a lot of them quickly
gray lintel
yes i actually had a damage tick of 700 on spear attack
astral fjord
just wanted to try a meme build
gray lintel
crit builds with dash attack boosting and 5 dashes is crazy with the attack resets
astral fjord
it was a fun run tho, but damage is def on the low end
gray lintel
special's decent single target but even with the bounces it suffers for AOE IMO
astral fjord
was only critting for 400+ with vicious, artemis and chaos boon
serene nexus
When it comes to melee weapon, I'm absolutely in love with Poseidon's dash
gray lintel
artemis/aphrodite gets a +50% crit damage boon
that for some reason applies multiplicatively
boosting 300% crit damage to 450%
then you get athena's thing with +20% crit chance
and 
serene nexus
dash attacking along with the rupture debuff makes things so satisfying
gray lintel
have you t ried flurry spear with dashes yet
you hold the button down and especially with hermes attack speed, it seems like you can attack several times a dash
gray lintel
that I like less msotly cause of knockback, but with sea storm it would be hilarious
astral fjord
does hera bow affect how long the tipsy shot last?
serene nexus
I had the privilege of running Sea Storm on Nemesis aspect... turns out the sea storm boon also applies to its natural knockback
gray lintel
yeeee
i had sea storm once with double attack on dashes shield
and posidon attacks
gray lintel
i also had festive fog with the zeus duo to make it deal lightning damage to people inside
it depends on the buuuuuuuild
serene nexus
Most of the dashes are insane.
gray lintel
i unironically kind of like ares dash if you're building for blade rifts
serene nexus
Provided you need the status debuff damage buff from the mirror.
gray lintel
baseline itt sucks but it's pretty nice with boosted AOE
serene nexus
Ares Dash is really good if you have the slow when dashing through enemies
serene nexus
Unless the enemy has a dash they take the full duration of the hit
gray lintel
but yeah uh
serene nexus
Couple it with the larger aoe boon on a dash attack build
gray lintel
zeus dash is strong if you dash a lot, the extra damage adds up AND the lightning bolt has a pretty good homing radius giving it the largest dash damage range of any one
serene nexus
The jolted helps too.
gray lintel
aphro dash is nice for the weak applying
posidon dash okay yeah I kind of don't like it sorry
serene nexus
Dio dash is nice when you have the boon that boosts damage done against poisoned enemies.
It's main use is to ensure that priveleged status is always up on enemies
gray lintel
Artemis doesn't have a dash attack, BUT they do have a dash attack damage booster that is BIS for some builds that take up the dash slot.
(if I recall correctly)
serene nexus
I tried out the artemis dash build. I've got to say, it's pretty good as long as you pick up a hermes dash number boost
gray lintel
"i cast GUN"
serene nexus
Priveleged Status makes a LOT of the boons more valuable. even athena's debuff that makes deflect increase backstab damage
gray lintel
tbf
that's pretty much why athena's dash is still kinda the best
i just don't think it's so much of the best that you never take other dashes :v
(athena dash also gives you +20% crit chance with artemis which is like... +60% multiplicative damage)
also tbh posideon has like the weakest call too 
wooden lodge
did someone actually ask for microtransactions? lmfao https://i.imgur.com/v4fJhWZ.png
gray lintel
i feel like either he needs boons reworked or bosses need to be made more vulnerable to knockbacks
spare cobalt
I figured they were trolling.
wooden lodge
"please, developer-kun, bend me over, I need it"
lament coral
why do you want knockback reworked? Rupture already exists and affects everyone
serene nexus
I always saw Poseidon as more useful for addclear. he has his niche
And yeah, rupture is really useful.
gray lintel
the only time I am excited about posideon is either A. doing a seastorm build or B. his cast is kind of decent without any extras if you don't need another cast
lament coral
plus, you can get rupture + lightning duo
gray lintel
rupture is useful for privileged status I guess but t hat is mostly it
lament coral
and just go ham on knockback
gray lintel
aside from sea storm builds as I mentioned
but gods kind of feel lame if you have to package deal them with another god to make them effective ya know
serene nexus
My only criticism is that his call is REALLY hard to control.
gray lintel
rupture might deal good damage but it's honestly kind of hard to notice except for privileged status
serene nexus
lost track of the number of times i wasted it due to getting caught on a corner of a pillar or something
lament coral
that's true, I wish it worked like Ares' call, where you have complete control
gray lintel
iunno he feels like the most underwhelming of the gods
dionysus is close to him, except he has a bunch of utility that works most all the time like movement slows and festive fog is a great cast
serene nexus
Or maybe reworking it so it works like Dio's call except with a ton of knockback and max rupture stacks
lament coral
yeah, Dio is kinda similar, a mix of offensive and utility options
it's just that Dio's scale better
gray lintel
in part I also avoid knockback cause except for specific builds you knock everyone out of the way of your attacks and it just feels bad
with dio you don't knock people out of your attacks
it feels like Chance to Flee in Path of Exile where it does the exact opposite of what you want
make a posidon/ares duo combo to reverse knockback direction
lament coral
poison and nectar are better on average than knockback and increased room yields
gray lintel
his duos also aside from sea storm are nice in the first area and the first part of the second area but after that they feel bad too yeah :S
same with increased room yields, increased room yields is honestly what I go for if I get him early and can't avoid him
serene nexus
Maybe have rupture apply a resistance down debuff?
lament coral
you're buffing rupture though
gray lintel
or just weaken the damage on his attacks and make his knockback effects apply an increase to damage taken to enemies
serene nexus
Just throwing out ideas at this point... I think I should probably head ot bed now lol
gray lintel
yeah athena feels like an overly weak god except defensive wise yeah she's top tier and there isn't a build i don't want to take her stuff on
glad mica
Thoughts on supporting fire 👀
gray lintel
honestly for my playstyle sure footed is like the best perk in the entire game
lament coral
support fire is the go to exagryph option
though, it is good with anything spammy
so anything that is not shield
gray lintel
to me support fire is basically a always take if artemis offers it to you and you don't really need anything else
shield can be spammy
shield has a hammer upgrade which hits twice on every dash attack
glad mica
there’s the upgrade that makes it hit twice
lament coral
I prefer crits on everything over support fire
glad mica
Why not both
lament coral
exagryph being the only exception where I'd take support fire over crits
if I'm playing an attack build, that is
gray lintel
support fire is also equal parts AOE and single target
zealous lodge
@wooden lodge even THEY didn't upvote it
frail vector
Mark never applies to the target damaged, correct?
wooden lodge
lmao
gray lintel
as far as I can tell yes. dealing critical damage will mark a nearby enemy. And then the marked effect expires after taking critical damage.
i'm not very fond of it, even though the number seems juicy
crisp matrix
it's just a bonus effect, not really something you'd build upon
mild crag
Good for clearing rooms with high damage weapons
@frail vector requires certain boons rarity doesn't matter
frail vector
got it, wiki confused me a bit
there's no way to tell which passage holds the satyr sack, correct?
lament coral
yep
frail vector
I've had Artemis + Aphrodite for the first half of my run + triple rockets and they never offered duoooooo
cmon
gray lintel
for that I think you just need a crit effect from artemis plus an effect that can apply weaken from aphrodite
lament coral
really wish all of these things were explained in the game
gray lintel
i heard it also helps to have all your 'slots' filled out
ie stuff like attacks and casts and dashes
wooden lodge
is there something you can unlock ingame which tells you all the boons the gods give?
like when you pick them or sth
I know the desk adornment in your room lists boons you haven't picked yet
but it doesn't tell you, say, on hover, what they are
something like a codex for boons would be nice
wooden lodge
for knowledge like this, you should never require an external resource, so I do hope it's on their long-term to-add list
compact wyvern
Eh
wooden lodge
the devs seem like they plan for making the game easy to understand, difficult to master
compact wyvern
I slightly disagree but sure
Ya
Looks like it
The game is very difficult honestly
mild crag
Idk if you deserve to get knowledge like that freely in the hub
compact wyvern
Why not?
mild crag
Bad word lol
compact wyvern
Just like after you get a boon it's in your codex
mild crag
But idk it doesn't seem required
wooden lodge
any time you are making a game and have highly complex systems, listing basic information or collating it somewhere is an extremely good practice
compact wyvern
Worth doing imo but it's not needed
wooden lodge
wikis are fine too
compact wyvern
The wiki is legit amazing
wooden lodge
and wikis almost always will list the more complex interactions
but what about players with no internet
or terrible internet
what about when the wiki goes out of date
compact wyvern
Wiki can be updated
wooden lodge
there are lots of edge cases where having information ingame is preferable
wooden lodge
it's also just plain more convenient having basic information ingame
the only real reason not to include it is for time constraints, more time spent on improving the game systems, and etc
compact wyvern
PUT IT IN FEEDBACK
mild crag
I mean I can remember just about all the boons and their names
It's not a lot to remember
compact wyvern
I cant
Most people cant
And I can recite fighting game combos off the top of my head
mild crag
Yeah you'll remember em if you play enough
I'm not saying don't put the boon list there
Could be a contractor upgrade
I'm just saying it's not really critical
lament coral
wouldn't make sense for it to be part of the codex
compact wyvern
Oh ya
lament coral
it's written from Achilles' perspective
compact wyvern
How do you guys afford contractor stuff btw it's so expensive?
lament coral
do fated stuff
compact wyvern
Huh?
lament coral
loads of diamonds
lament coral
I don't get why the pool exists
compact wyvern
Neither do i
lament coral
doesn't the cliff near training area fill that niche?
it shows how far you managed to get, might as well show pool's stuff, too
gray lintel
pool also tells you how many times you've tried to escape and stuff you kill
iunno why it's a purchasable feature though, to keep giving stuff to spend gems on?
karmic coyote
Zeus shield users pls teach me the way to master this uncanny contraption cause honestly it looks fun but i can't make it work
compact wyvern
I can't either lll
karmic coyote
probably because we're only mortals
neon ridge
it doesn't work well, unless you're trying blitz disc
karmic coyote
i'm trying blitz disc but i suck at it
wooden lodge
@west stump your idea is already ingame
just play further and unlock the urn bonuses
wooden lodge
I have no idea what the final weapon will be
but I really hope it's Thor's hammer
big smash attacks
future dlc with more weapons when
lament coral
it's a ranged weapon, since it's on the side with the other ranged weapons
I heard crossbow
grand smelt
Mjolnir is a ranged weapon 😏
azure bone
I imagine axe would be a new weapon
Since there's two variants of axes in greek myth
Hephaestus's Labrys and Zues's Labrys
azure bone
Yea thats norse
The only big hammer in greek myth I can think of is Hephaestus's hammer but uh
thats already in game
mild crag
Daedulus's
hearty fog
lmao
azure bone
Oh, Daedulus
mild crag
I don't think hepahestsusususud
grand smelt
None of the weapons are taken straight from mythology
Or actually existed in the myths, I should say
azure bone
zues's aegis is
azure bone
It was zues's shield, then was handed down to athena
wooden lodge
And obviously a rapid-fire railgun was part of the greek lore
along with the death star cannon and the doomslayer's chainsaw
grand smelt
Athena in-game says something like "my shield was named after it", but that is still closer to being historical than the other weapons
grand smelt
"Exactly! Use my head!"
compact wyvern
That sounds wrong
mild crag
compact wyvern
Wait
grand smelt
I considered that
thorny tiger
well, it was used as a weapon by Perseus so frankly fits with the lore
thorny tiger
what if it's a scythe?
wispy wagon
I've seen a lot of people guess "Scythe" since it goes with Harvest
thorny tiger
seems fitting so you can match with Than
wispy wagon
and Thanatos Aspect
compact wyvern
I'm just joking around only dlc should be dusa
thorny tiger
is the next update called Harvest?
compact wyvern
I dont
wispy wagon
Because of the shadow in the trailer
compact wyvern
I believe it's Apollo just because I wanna be unuiqe
wispy wagon
Clearly apollo is gonna whack me with a Cornucopia
thorny tiger
I hope they add Apollo at some point
azure bone
Where can I see the trailer?
compact wyvern
👍
azure bone
Yea that is 100% demeter
compact wyvern
Idc
grand smelt
Zag wouldn't be aware of the connection
thorny tiger
really?
compact wyvern
Why not?
grand smelt
Though it would be easy for Demeter to say it
Well, he probably wouldn't be. Maybe he is, I see no reason for that though.
thorny tiger
I mean it'd make for some awkward conversations if he did know so that makes sense
compact wyvern
Maybe maybe not
thorny tiger
perhaps you figure it out
thorny tiger
so the Greek legend is that Persephone gets stolen by Hades, but Demeter starts crying her eyes out and the world is plunged into endless winter, so the other gods intervene and force Hades and Demeter to work out a deal whereby they each get her for 6 months
and that's the explanation for how seasons came to be according to the Greeks
compact wyvern
Ya Greeks are wierd
thorny tiger
when Persephone is in hell, Demeter gets depressed and it turns to winter. When she's returned, it turns to spring and summer
grand smelt
Ya it's winter in the game
compact wyvern
Hades not hell
native cipher
^
grand smelt
The Underworld
compact wyvern
Oh ya that's wierd
thorny tiger
oh damn you're right
compact wyvern
Huj
wispy wagon
Clearly we've all got Demeter wrong and her boons will be ice based
sand glade
for the sake of not having confusion, Hades the place is obviously The Underworld
native cipher
shes neither in the underworld or in the land of the living. so it's eternally winter
thorny tiger
well that makes me question where she is then, but I don't want to give anything away
native cipher
we dont know where she is
mild crag
Her note did say she didn't intend to go to either place
native cipher
we know where she's not
compact wyvern
thorny tiger
maybe she's in outer space
native cipher
she's not in the underworld. if she was, then dad wouldn't be drinking so much.
she's not above ground. if she was, then grandma wouldn't be tearing the house apart.
we're waiting for the ending to be patched in.
thorny tiger
I dunno, what if Hades hid her somewhere that Zag can't access. Underworld is pretty large
sand glade
Then she'd be with Chaos
because honestly, where else would he be able to hide her in his own domain that Zag couldn't find her? o .o
thorny tiger
his room
native cipher
are you implying hades has persephone tied up in his basement?
sand glade
a picture doesn't count. 😛
thorny tiger
the Greeks Gods were messed up, I wouldn't put it passed him
compact wyvern
Lol
mild crag
What's wrong @compact wyvern
Hades already has titans in his basement
What's one more
compact wyvern
🤦
thorny tiger
I thought the titans were cut into pieces and scattered around the lava pits
compact wyvern
Ya
thorny tiger
so they can't reassemble
compact wyvern
They where in atleast one version
sand glade
the REAL question I have would be... what would happen if Chaos became known in the presence of more than just Nyx?
mild crag
Scattered in Tartarus which is under the house of hades I rest my case
In his basement
compact wyvern
Lol
thorny tiger
I thought they were in Asphodel
thorny tiger
alright, well I know we won't get an ending until it's out of early access, but I look forward to figuring out how it ends
compact wyvern
Yay
thorny tiger
hopefully the next update comes with more flashbacks at least
keen shard
Gimme fistie cuffs
sand glade
...for a moment, I forgot what server I was in and misread that. HOWEVER, that just gave me the suggestion for a weapon, though it's a little impractical. I'll probably write it later. After a long nap.
granite finch
turning down legendary boons for boon rarity bonuses
karmic coyote
what is the optimal darkness investment with budget cut on high heat
chilly summit
Maybe thick skin or shadow presence?
mild crag
depends what you can take advantage of
sopmething like hestia you'll want to make sure you take boiling blood
but eris you want status
chilly summit
Or with shield, just whatever cuz you gonna win anyway
mild crag
karmic coyote
Fair, gonna try that after this base budget cut run
azure bone
I'm convinced people who don't like rail haven't tried max level hestia yet
wooden lodge
rail bomb > all
it is insane how much one-shot damage that thing can do
I like Zeus's rail special because if you get Rail's damage high enough, the intial blast will destroy enemy shields, while the lightning bolts will do the rest
downside: the time between shots
granite vine
it's so slow
wooden lodge
and the travel time to the target
but this is why getting shotgun hammer upgrade for the main attack is always my top priority
granite vine
the fact that rail special reloads but doesn't show how far irks me
wooden lodge
^
granite vine
like, it could just be a cooldown between activations like all the other specials, but now it says "reloading!" and I have no idea why it's unique that way
wooden lodge
added to feedback
azure bone
The slow arc with the rail is amazing for one reason
two actually
- can lob behind shield guys
- can lob over walls to hit snakestones
granite vine
- it's hilarious to fire into a wall and watch it plink off
compact wyvern
Pufferfish gun
granite finch
what gods are good for the sheild?
karmic coyote
Poseidon
crisp matrix
Ares definitely for the special
sacred idol
Apparently if it's chaos shield, Aphro attack and Dio special, but not for regular shield maybe...
granite echo
would ares on special still be good for Zeus aspect
i really want to make it work cause its basically a round trip and thats really cool but cant think of any perfect boons
maybe the ares special and then vortexes suck things up if that works together that would be really cool
i should try that
prisma zephyr
for zeus aspect, boons like dionysus and zeus specials become more valuable
sacred idol
Has a fair downside too
No over wall bombardment
Infinitely better vs jumper enemies
And worse vs snakestones etc
Yeah, so it's well balanced.
untold widget
btw, im new, has there been any feedback about there being no way to check how far you've gotten with your weapons?
like, which bosses youve beaten with which
(unless i missed where to check that)
sacred idol
It's been mentioned I think
Ctrl f in feedback, something about blood?
If not, feel free to post, it's a big channel
You can only view them after beating the game once
Then the Pact of Punishment shows it
When you have a weapon on
But only then.
granite echo
i remember seeing a post in feedback that was about talking about giving us a way to view our past won runs
untold widget
oh, i guess i have to get roles dont i
granite echo
and i really hope that gets in cause id love a way to look back on my past wins or even just my streak
granite vine
Anybody ever tried a low HP run? Where you get to low health for more damage/bonuses and try to stay there
I know there are a couple effects like that, just not sure if there's enough to make a viable build
untold widget
so Meg's Keepsake right?
sacred idol
@granite vine Might end up relying on heart stacking to raise the threshold...
It could be viable with the right setup. Not sure if there are enough though
granite vine
Dio's boon, Positive Outlook I think, where you take less damage at low HP
and he has that restore to threshold effect too
granite echo
a low hp run is doable up till right before the final boss because of a ||forced fountain heal||
fallen rover
I did one on low heat with the Hera bow
If you get the nectar upgrade early you will get a pretty nice health buffer so the threshold is quite high
granite vine
a low hp run is doable up till right before the final boss because of a ||forced fountain heal||
you could always ||run into the lasers?||
granite echo
oh thats true
sacred idol
The DR skills need reworking somewhat, because they're all equal to the "at all times" version, but you could probably stack them
fallen rover
Get a Weak attack and a few DR buffs and you take almost no dmg
granite echo
DR?
fallen rover
Damage reduction
granite echo
ah makes sense
sacred idol
Wait. Can you stack them all
fallen rover
I think I tanked a ||Hades spin|| and took like 8dmg or so
sacred idol
Meg keepsake, common Afterparty, Zagreus shield, a bunch of hearts, and like 2-3 damage reduction boons... get yourself to critical and stay there
fallen rover
Get a weak debuff in there and you got a stew going
granite finch
so the damage reduction is additive not multi?
granite vine
mainly I ask bc i was thinking about the possibility of a weapon/god playstyle themed around taking damage
like having all these revenge effects, they don't often feel good to pick because you need to take damage to even trigger them
untold widget
so im pretty new and havent even beaten my first run yet. I did just get to Styx for the first time last night though! It looks like there are lots of people really well versed in this game. is there like a prevailing "best build" right now?
granite vine
people have favourites, and shield is often considered to be the best weapon because of its defense ability, but there's not really a "best" build
lots of different ways are viable, and some people just prefer the different styles of play
untold widget
yeah, i assumed that at least because of all the options
i guess im just wondering about the best synergies
what god boons go good with others, or weapons, or whatever
sacred idol
The "best" as in cheesiest build is poison Chaos Shield I think
Because it's just super safe and slightly broken
But it's not the most fun.
untold widget
poison is... dionysus?
granite echo
Athena deflect dash and Hermes bonus dashes go really well together
untold widget
right now athena dash is the one boon i try and get all the time
sacred idol
Chaos, dionysus special, aphrodite attack for weak and the high base damage, athena dash
prisma zephyr
there are best builds for weapon aspects
sacred idol
Apparently it's just... Easy Win mode
prisma zephyr
but you don't get them often and have to make do with others
sacred idol
But it's not super engaging.
granite vine
Artemis is generally good, and goes well with cast-focused builds
her Support Fire and Zeus' attack boon are great for weapons that hit a lot, e.g. rail and flurry hammer spear
sacred idol
Nemesis sword is one of the highest DPS options...
Hestia rail is super strong when built right...
untold widget
i had a great artemis run over the weekend, it was the first time i actually tried using cast
sacred idol
Eris rocket or shotgun rail. Hera bow for the cast thing.
Most weapons/aspects seem fun and viable.
untold widget
ive barely tried using the other weapon aspects. none of the benefits seemed that great, and i didnt want to commit to spending the blood
granite echo
my favourite cast is probably the artemis or zeus casts just due to viability and crowd control
Chaos Aspect feels like just purely better shield
sacred idol
Artemis generally is fantastic
granite echo
same with Nemisis for sword i feel
sacred idol
@granite echo Not quite. DR is very potent
untold widget
oh right, i havent even seen the third options yet
i only just got to styx
is that when they unlock?
granite echo
guns are a bit more diverse so thats a personal thing
oh true i forgot about the reduction
sacred idol
The passive Zagreus upgrades are very good for those weapons
Speed for sword, right?
Gotta go hermes fast
granite echo
how much does a max zag shield reduce
sacred idol
@untold widget Early access. Future update aspects.
granite finch
until i couldnt see hades
sacred idol
Wait no. Gas gas gas
granite finch
if u get zues aspect lord almighty
granite vine
I snagged lightning rod last run and broke Theseus too early 
sacred idol
Lmao
granite finch
is it better to focus on theseus first?
sacred idol
Wait, lightning rod is good?
prisma zephyr
it is but it makes it so the cast pickup radius is much smaller
granite finch
good until bloodstones return to u automatically
sacred idol
Uh. I always take down Asterius first because Theseus is an obnoxious block spammer, and having the bull NOT be up in your grill is good
prisma zephyr
so it can feel clunky to reposition around it/pick it up to "re-drop it"
it's better to focus on asterius first
granite echo
@granite finch THeseus is easy to keep at bay by circling around, id take out asterius first because you dont want him running around once theseus starts raining Gods down on you
just make sure to stay by the pillars
sacred idol
Haven't done the EX mode attacks, just cleared the game once, but... my win run was the ONLY time I took Theseus down first solely because my railgun was melting him
untold widget
whats the best way to dodge asterius's charge? i always have trouble with that
granite vine
yeah, that's exactly what happened because I upgraded my lightning too much
granite echo
so theseus cant hit you
sacred idol
But it's usually not what I try to do intentionally
@untold widget afaik it's to turn sharply in circles?
granite vine
whats the best way to dodge asterius's charge? i always have trouble with that
learn the pattern, then usually dash into him to get out of radius
prisma zephyr
@untold widget recognise the tell, and move quickly to a pillar, put the pillar between you and asterius
sacred idol
Oh wait. I forgot you can dash through him.
I usually just dash around in a very tight circle
granite finch
play tag around the pillars
prisma zephyr
if you have athena aid/poseidon aid/ares aid it's an easy cheese on it
untold widget
yeah last time i lucked out with poseidon aid
sacred idol
Because while his turning radius is way too generous, it's not as good as yours.
granite vine
if you go through him then he has to turn around as well as chase you again, so it can be more effective than smashing him into a wall
granite echo
playing tag is the best way to beat them consistently i feel
prisma zephyr
asterius actually has aimbot on his charge so
untold widget
dashing through him seems real ballsy haha
sacred idol
So you can stay just outside his hitbox by going 90 degrees sideways too
granite vine
just don't drop three doubled jolting lightning rods by Theseus while you do it 
sacred idol
Always worked for me, anyway. Somehow he just barely misses you
prisma zephyr
generally speaking the arena walls are risky, and the pillars are inconsistent
granite finch
oof double casts
jagged saddle
hai y'all
granite finch
lightning rods + dio zues combo
prisma zephyr
wadup
jagged saddle
has anyone tried to do hell mode (maxed)? i wonder how difficult that must be. i been doing just the minimum hell mode to progress the game for now
prisma zephyr
requires 60% luck, 40% skill
granite vine
15% concentrated power of will
jagged saddle
trueeee , what weapon would you use in that case?
prisma zephyr
shield is going to struggle on temple of styx, spear is going to struggle on elysium, rail is going to struggle on asphodel and temple of styx
jagged saddle
Shield is very powerful indeed. the throwing function is so 
chilly summit
Shield never struggles with anything doe
keen shard
Sheild is good everywere and is ez
prisma zephyr
it does once you're on 30+ heat
jagged saddle
hmm just to be clear, the mirror in the bedroom, the only thing worth investing is the 20+keys above right?
prisma zephyr
and unfortunately the clunkiness of charging will actually screw you on temple of styx with its getting stuck on terrain
uuuuuuuuuh
chilly summit
Everything is useful to some extent
jagged saddle
you sure it's worth investing in everything?
prisma zephyr
if you're planning on doing high heat, you definitely want privileged status
jagged saddle
gotcha
prisma zephyr
privileged status, death defiance, greater reflex, boiling blood, infernal something
are your go-to's
jagged saddle
another question, how do you guys get the Hades role?
chilly summit
With budget cuts, get one DD and the dash, the rest is up to your playsryle
jagged saddle
chilly summit
@prisma zephyr I haven't gone very high on heat yet tbh
Chaos aspect should still be the best choice tho 
granite finch
check bot commands
untold widget
what is "heat?" i know its a post game thing
jagged saddle
it's Hellmode
granite finch
basically "difficulty" levels?
prisma zephyr
uh not specifically
untold widget
oh
chilly summit
It's after you beat the game the first time
granite vine
you get increased difficulty in exchange for heat levels
granite finch
the amount of pain u wish to subject ur self too
chilly summit
It's not hellmode
prisma zephyr
"heat" is being able to increase the difficulty by selecting modifiers
granite finch
with rewards
prisma zephyr
such as (relating to enemies) higher health, higher speed, higher number of them, buffed bosses, etc.
untold widget
yeah, i know theres the pacts
chilly summit
You add modifiers to your run which make it harder, which add heat
untold widget
like the gods in bastion or the whatevers in transistor
prisma zephyr
yeye
untold widget
okay, just wasnt sure if thats the name for it
cedar mirage
And titan stars in pyre
untold widget
didnt get that far in pyre, but unsurprising there was a mechanic like that lol
i beat transistor with full mods and was super proud of that
cedar mirage
Whaaat, you gotta finish pyre
jagged saddle
is pyre something similar as Hades?
untold widget
it wasnt really my thing, the only SG game to date that didnt grab me
pyre isnt similar, no
chilly summit
I never liked bastion tbh
untold widget
gasp
chilly summit
Please no kill
jagged saddle
oh wait
prisma zephyr
pyre is like this soccer gaelic football combat game thing
jagged saddle
you meant SG as in Supergiant
cedar mirage
Yeah, bastion didn’t have any really new mechanics that interested me
jagged saddle
nvm
chilly summit
I was also REALLY bad at Bastion
cedar mirage
I mean, yeah, it was a basic hack and slash
Good soundtrack and such, but the gameplay was lacking imo
wooden lodge
I never liked bastion
I remember looking at pyre and transistor and I didn't like those games very much for whatever reason
So I very nearly discounted this game and just ignored it when I saw it
the thing is, it's not that I dislike to the games it's just that while I like the voice acting and the polish and everything, the gameplay did not look all that interesting for the previous titles
It's only when I saw someone posting gifs of their gameplay for Hades that I decided to give this one a shot
And obviously I'm glad that I did
I'm just a gameplay over story sort of person
west depot
hey I have a question, how do you give ambrosia to characters
i tried giving it to every one and i have full hearts with them but no option pops up to give them ambrosia
pastel jolt
you can only give it to certain characters, and only after unlocking the ability to do so
granite finch
just KEEEP GIVING MORE necter
native ether
Dont know if its been said already, but I think enemy's shield in general block too much, from elysium normal enemys, up to theseus, which has been to hardest boss to me for that fact, feels so frustrating to be blocked all yours attacks; there's times you actually hit him with an area effect, but it blocks it any way, maybe some sort of change in area effects bloking, like, if its hit in the whole enemy's hitbox, no matter when its come from it doesn't block, or something like that, dont know too much of games balancing, but excepting hades, theseus himself is the boss I,ve died most times, mostly bcs of this, with that life bar its not easy to vanquish, just to have a super blocking shield
The only area of effect damage Theseus can block to my knowledge is the Rail's special. He blocks it if he's facing the center of the blast @versed quest
Dio Cast, Blade Rifts, Lightning Bolts are all unblockable.
Additionally any Artemis projectile will ignore shields entirely. So will a "piercing" modifier on a hammer.
versed quest
only rail's special? thought there were more
bcs I was goin in a critic rail's special and I struggled a lot
native ether
Only the Rail's special is actually blocked by shields. I don't really know why that is tbh
versed quest
even like that shields feel bad
native ether
Guess it's to balance the special? Not like it's the most powerful AoE in the game.
Shields require a playstyle adaptation. They take some getting used to. They used to be my least favorite enemy in the game but definitely not anymore.
versed quest
at least in theseus is painful to play against
native ether
Eh, I've learned his attack times and gotten good at finding the openings. Usually you have to play pretty close to him, it enables you to get around him faster and attack from more angles (just watch out for the spin)
versed quest
and also shield armor guys, 2 or 3 of them and its too hard
I've tried that but bcs of his spear atackk I dont get that near him
attack*
native ether
Yeah, once you learn the tell for the spin attack, the fight becomes much easier.
versed quest
also spin attack is hard
native ether
Theseus is my favorite fight in the game because he's the boss that requires imo the most practice to really understand. Hades just hits like a truck and is mostly slow and obvious tells. Theseus is much more of a boss that requires practice to get good at I feel.
If you have it unlocked, run Thanatos' Mort Companion. You can drop on Theseus when he calls for aid and basically one shot him.
opal bay
I danced around the shield guys and they have quite the open area for the hitting usually, it's just the timing of them turning around to block said attacak can be hard to get used to. Otherwise 3/4 of their sides are hittable, but dashing at them to hit right at the back is much much better honestly, if you at least have two dashes avaliable.
serene nexus
For shield heroes I tend to bait out the combo, dash, and hit them from the side or back while they’re motionless after combo or AoE
Theseus is just really playing smart and playing safe
Blade rifts are helpful
prisma zephyr
greatshields currently have a bug where they can block from behind as well, had it happen with electric shot