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#h1-builds-and-combat
wind vale
hmm - chaos inferno bomb does not stack
still only 1 bomb per enemy with 2 curses doing it
stray frigate
lucky
wind vale
they also hurt enemies
can make a really nice chain reaction
and it would be wonderful chaos if doubled 😄
azure bone
A unique punishment thing could be that all boons function akin to chaos boons
you get benefits immediately, but all of them have a negative for x encounters you have to choose
last nacelle
No Choice replaced with a pact option that gives less heat, but instead of removing options, it replaces them with chaos boons.
Crank all the way up for pure chaos.
azure bone
another awful mechanic could be one where killing an enemy heals all other enemies
heals all other enemies for their health pool*
which would somehow make the hydra fight even worse cause killing a head would full heal all the other ones.
stray frigate
Or maybe other enemies become "raging" and deal more dmg
azure bone
I've had builds like that, but then the build hits that critical mass and not having any DD doesn't matter
also don't grab a chaos boon for -60% movement before fighting the furies with extreme measures <_<
charred solar
The hydra healing thing wouldn't be too bad as long as the main head retained it's current phase - so it doesn't keep going invuln at 75% indefinitely. Not saying it would be a good change, but the problem with the fight is the downtime, imo, which that wouldn't make any worse.
stray frigate
and what do u say about dmg buff?
azure bone
The hydra fight really needs reworked though, its so boring
It'd be cool of it was like, multi-platform and the head would literally slam a platform into the lava or something.
stray frigate
ex hydra too?)
azure bone
ex hydra is literally the exact same fight
just, slightly harder
The fact the hydra isn't a character and doesn't talk or anything already makes it way more boring than the others. Couple it with a very slow fight that the best way to do it is to take obscenely long killing each head one by one edging along dodging things just makes it worse.
stray frigate
ok 0 DD wish me luck for last one
hot edge
I think bone hydra is a bit dull but its not that bad. not worth the effort to change imo
azure bone
It honestly just needs a few changes to be a lot better
azure bone
Remove the invul phase and instead have it submerge in lava. While fighting other heads have it pop out and do big attacks. Make the animations faster for most of the heads and maybe cut the number of heads in half while giving them more abiltiies
hot edge
oh, I would like it if all the heads popped up at once
it would be more dramatic and cut some waiting
limpid tapir
I'd rather deal with Tisiphone carpet bombing the arena or Meg turning the room into bullet hell, just not Alecto with 5 damage at a rapid interval
hot edge
idk what it is about tisiphone but she seems like the weakest of the sisters
I always end up killing her really fast
azure bone
Fair, but what I mean here is like the main head would do actual big attacks like destroying one of the three platforms temporarily. Or slamming the ground making a shockwave.
Tisiphone is either really easy or stupidly hard
limpid tapir
Meg is the easiest for me, then Tisi, then Alecto
Yeah. She seems super inconsistent
Sometimes I crush her, sometimes she DDs me
azure bone
Like if you fight tisiphone without some form of deflect you'll take obscene amounts of damage
turbid needle
Tisiphone closing in her arena can make the fight far quicker if you've got a weapon with splash, you don't have to chase after her
limpid tapir
Or sometimes she lands a stun at the same time a buzzsaw finds my face
^^^
That's a good point, less running around
azure bone
But if you have a bow, and there's a buzz-saw bouncing around not taking damage is rough
limpid tapir
Last room size with a buzzsaw and Meg firing projectiles is hard to avoid XD
azure bone
Yea, if you got the burst it doesn't matter
but if you didn't get very good stuff early you'll struggle
limpid tapir
Usually I DPS race when that happens, I'm going to get bursted no matter how I slice it
azure bone
I try to always have a call by then so I can burst it down
artemis can delete the final phase
limpid tapir
Zeus too, thankfully
azure bone
You know ares having a defensive call is really out of character
I feel like he should just have a massive blade-rift with super high dps thats centered on you and staggers. Not full invulnerability and tiny blade rift.
azure bone
Its also extremely good, just really outta character
limpid tapir
Yeah 😛
azure bone
Zues's would be cooler if it was a single giant lightning bolt
with a satisfying crack when it hits
limpid tapir
Don't get me wrong, a super long invuln is fantastic on Ares. But uh, Athena?
Yesss.
Less yellow color filter please. It's blinding XD
azure bone
And the fully charged version chains or strikes multiple times idk.
limpid tapir
I get hit disproportionately often during Zeus call because I can't see...
gray lintel
tbf it's kind of fun to have crazy builds that you can't see anything during
native cipher
so what's generally agreed on to be the best aspect for stygius?
stray frigate
well
different aspects
different builds
Poseidon for cast
Nemezis for AA and Q mix
fallen light
Hi^, happy new year, what is the best aspect for Spear and what boon should I hope/look for ?
native cipher
zag aspect
athena/aphrodite like always
stray frigate
i like Hades aspect
native cipher
i do too, its an issue of the spear's special is too slow to be reliable
fallen light
so hades or zag ?
native cipher
zag
fallen light
@native cipher thanks
native cipher
shield/spear you want zag
bow you want hera
rail you want hestia
native cipher
yes, i agree that its more important for the aspects to be different than good
that said there's objectively better options for trying to actually win
you arent winning high heat runs with troll builds
humble arrow
High heat runs?
native cipher
vague cut-off point for whats considered high heat, but i'd consider it 15 heat+
if someone with more authority would like to chime in, take their word for it over mine
solid cairn
Here’s a fun question for y’all
So we all know high heat can be a super unfun due to needing good rng to stand a chance
But what is your perfect heat setting in terms of challenge but fairness
And what stipulations do you put on
humble arrow
Heat setting?
barren nimbus
Heat is self imposed hard mode after you beat the game
native cipher
not sure how much this would amount to but the stuff i think is the most fun are the ones that propose new challenges and the least fun ones that are the ones that take away your toys.
humble arrow
I was close
solid cairn
Forced overtime is really fun
native cipher
so jury summons/extreme measures = fun
budget cuts and no choice = :(
solid cairn
Jury summons I love because it’s probably the easiest standalone condition
barren nimbus
I just did a 1 heat run for the budget cuts prophecy and it sucks
solid cairn
Good for farming heat
Budget cuts is brutal
The difference between not having it and having the first level of it is massive
At max I think all you can afford is 1 death defiance
native cipher
definitely think budget cuts should give more than 1 heat just because of how huge of a difficulty spike it is
barren nimbus
I'd go as far to say it needs a change, after clearing it for the prophecy I'll probably never willingly use it again
native cipher
im reminded of that limiter in transistor that made it so swapping out your functions overloaded them
that said, i think its warrented in hades. i just dont think it's numbers are as tuned as they should be.
stray frigate
Zeus aspect with hermes boon looks weird
grizzled tusk
any advice on the theseus and minotaur fight?
grizzled tusk
I can get through it but my death defiances are eaten by theseus after
native cipher
kill minotaur first
grizzled tusk
I kill the minotaur
native cipher
use cover
stray frigate
stay always close to him but behind
native cipher
take hermes buffs
grizzled tusk
I guess I gotta play patient
stray frigate
and Theseus is easier
grizzled tusk
ugh
grizzled tusk
ihatethatshield
native cipher
you can deflect the spear
stray frigate
he goes away
native cipher
with athena
stray frigate
and u can smack his butt
native ether
my ideal heat for perfect fairness is maxed 45 and dying halfway through Tartarus :kappa:
native cipher
alternatively, every weapon has a hammer upgrade that lets you pierce shields
so be on the lookout for those and try to farm that
proud storm
*except the spear
humble arrow
Posiden I just want Boiling Point please
native ether
Not sure if its just me but the sword just feels awful. Having no ranged capabilities nor does it have impressive damage, it makes it so your pretty much forced to be in the enemies face and that makes you prone to take a lot more damage. Some enemies and fights feel unreasonably difficult with it, namely all shielded enemies, the hyrda, the skeleton bombers and those guys on floor 2 that jump around and use wave attacks. It may be fine on a balance standpoint yall, but the game feels like its balanced around having both close and long range encounters and you are entirely screwed on the long range encounters if you pick the sword
Most times the sword is mentioned as bad is because people tend to not fully utilize its special. Once you figure out its range you can dance around enemies doing high damage while being pretty safe.
The Sword is a very aggressive weapon, but you can't be carelessly aggressive like you kind of can with the shield. Its really good against any enemy you can get close to and quickly start hitting, as you can pummel an enemy into permanent hit-stun (don't use the thrust, it leaves you exposed and knocks the enemy away from you, use your special as a third hit instead)
Also when in doubt on the sword, grab a strong cast. Artemis and Aphrodite are my preferred choices.
dense finch
just do a run with poisiden dash and flurry blows, hold down left click and spam dash
native ether
My strongest runs have been with the sword. It works pretty well once you figure out how to properly mix special and attack together.
native ether
Double Edge with Poison is godly
dense finch
i was in love with poison until i realised its terrible for bosses
and bosses are the only thing that is scary
native cipher
||the sword is also the only weapon with a hammer upgrade that's a straight downgrade||
native ether
The only runs I have beaten bosses with on High Heat is with the Poison and Weak combo
Poison is underrated against bosses since you can apply max stacks and then just not have to attack at all, and focus on avoiding attacks
dense finch
weak is low key mvp
native cipher
weak is high key mvp
native ether
you dont have to be as aggressive with Poison because you're just getting free damage, and Weak is in general the best debuff in the game
native cipher
weak on my basic attack? do you mean double my effective health?
native ether
i tend to throw it on my dash tbh
native cipher
weak on attack, deflect on dash is my setup
spare cobalt
Helps that Aphrodite provides such a huge damage buff alongside.
native ether
Although Aphrodite is great on the basic attack of the rail (the weapon I use the most frequently) you get more damage overall if you shoot for Poison on your attack, and aim for the Low Tolerance duo boon, and put Aphro on your special or dash
Because its the only move you have on the weapon that can get 8 stacks and keep the boss at 8 stacks
(Throw an Eris rail in there and every poison stack does 60% more damage)
humble arrow
My shops have had no boons the past two runs and it makes me sad
pastel jolt
shoutout to the time i took double nova on poseidon sword and regretted it so much i hit give up rather than try to keep gong
native cipher
oh my god thats the exact same thing that happened to me
native cipher
its actually how i found out that giving up does not reset your streak
native ether
dont take Poseidon in general tbh
I love surfer uncle but dear lord is he a run ender
spare cobalt
Almost as much of a nonbo as flurry jab Hades spear.
native ether
The only reason I will take a Poseidon boon in a run is if I've already filled out most of my core boons, and if I could use Sunken Treasure or Ocean's Bounty
stray frigate
native cipher
he has some spectacular duo boons
native ether
All his duo boons are supportive boons besides Sea Storm. Exclusive Access and Sweet Nectar are great boons but only if you get them early enough.
Poseidon doesn't offer enough damage on his own to be effective against bosses, and the knockback in boss rooms basically never gets wall slams.
native cipher
yeah he's bottom priority in every occasion
pastel jolt
no i meant the aspect for the sword
spare cobalt
Poseidon + Zeus can do funny things, at least. Double push, rupture, lightning on push, jolt.
pastel jolt
poseidon aspect is glorious
humble arrow
YO Aphrodite charm works on Thesseus and the bull!!!
Holy cow easiest fight I ever had
pastel jolt
the run i had last night/this morning (oops i stayed up until 7am) ended up eith an aphrodite cast that was doing 300+ damage onr egular hits and critting for almost a thousand
native cipher
yeah it's a fantastic power
proud storm
aphrodite's charm status curse works on all bosses but duration is reduced
native cipher
it deals flat 2500 damage in addition to the cc at full charge
humble arrow
I have the duration increses and smacked them so much it worked
native cipher
it's very much a "skip this phase" button
pastel jolt
i stll wish you could make the beefy boys attack each other even without charm
humble arrow
Levl 5 Heroic charm on weakness attacks
native cipher
and people sleep on it
pastel jolt
like, trick theseus into throwing his spear at asterius, get asterius to charge into theseus and daze them both, etc
native ether
lol the Poseidon sword aspect is great, also wow that's confusing
proud storm
aphro call's damage is affected by the pierced butterfly bonus damage
so you can go to 3k
pastel jolt
it'd be a neat way to make the phase where they're both attacking you a bit easier to manage
humble arrow
Dang! I am lovin' the love goddess ❤️
grand patrol
does anyone know what the biggest amount of damage in one hit its possible to do is
native ether
I've seen 10k before
grand patrol
😱
lost rose
are we counting companions?
grand patrol
yeah
native ether
Pretty sure that was an Explosive Shot Power Shot Crit with Heart Rend
lost rose
bc the base power on companion attacks is already super high
proud storm
than's plushie with the buffs mentioned above i guess
lost rose
has anyone ever seen summons crit?
grand patrol
can companions be boosted by buffs?
native ether
No idea, but I would assume they're buffed by Eris
grand patrol
i thought they just did their own thing
lost rose
i genuinely don't know if they can crit but it wouldnt surprise me
proud storm
i think companions can crit, technically, if you have hunter's mark
native ether
Pressure Points
grand patrol
native ether
I would assume they're affected by Butterfly and Eris
pastel jolt
it's been literal weeks since i've fought meg
native ether
Yeah the time to get a companion is really long tbh
pastel jolt
i love tisiphone but not enough to want to fight her every run
lost rose
(picture of empty keepsake case) and this is where i'd put my companions....IF I HAD ANY
grand patrol
ghfhgdhg mort+butterfly power is just IN HIS ELEMENT
proud storm
beanie babies
grand patrol
little plushies!!
native ether
They're incredibly late game unfortunately, but they're super fun
grand patrol
do they comment if ur wearing their main keepsake............they should
native cipher
boyo
pastel jolt
i don't think they do :(
proud storm
@grand patrol THEY DO ACTUALLY,,
native ether
Thanatos will comment on you using Mort if he appears in your room with it equipped
grand patrol
YESSSSSSSSSS
native ether
Meg does as well
lost rose
Theoretically if it took you a really long time to get through Styx you could get a companion before beating Hades 🤔
proud storm
sisyphus has several convos if you run into him with his plush on you
native cipher
so does meg comment if you use battie?
pastel jolt
the only keepsake interactions i remember off the top of my head are the legendary ones, pat reacting to achilles' bracer, and eurydice reacting to her acorn
proud storm
@native cipher yes
native ether
I believe I've seen a Meg interaction with Battie since I've been using Battie a lot
grand patrol
nonono i mean when you summon them, and you have their lower level keepsake on
lost rose
No
proud storm
oh i dont know
grand patrol
aawww
lost rose
They dont have comments when you summon them outside of like...environmental comments
native ether
Don't think they do but that would be fun
turbid needle
meg comments if you have battie equipped when you're fighting her iirc
stray frigate
what's wrong with spear
grand patrol
summon meg with the earring and shes like "its a good look"
lost rose
I dont think it would be very clear from context in the like 2 seconds she's onscreen ;;
grand patrol
well, i can dream
summon than with the butterfly and hes like "glad youre keeping yourself safe" hjgvhjfhj
lost rose
Skelly hangs around tho so he could say something 😂
native ether
what's wrong with spear
In a nutshell? The spear is the slowest weapon in a very fast and mobile game.
Its not a bad weapon, but its just a very hard weapon to use because of how vulnerable you are while using it.
humble arrow
My last shop is 3 poms, artemis, diamond and hermes ;-;
lost rose
"dont worry if you lose that tooth, boyo, i got a bunch more, hehheheh"
native cipher
i mean, artemis is pretty good
proud storm
@grand patrol https://i.imgur.com/G7z6bg5.jpg
proud storm
stray frigate
spear has some weird mechanics
u know trinket distant memory
if i use it with spear
my AA doesnt become stronger
even if my Q start to dmg more
in SAME position
is it ok?
grand patrol
zag crocheting little fruit and bugs for battie to eat
native ether
Bow is a niche weapon that can have some insane damage
proud storm
zag: fly little one, fly!!!! (flings battie across the room)
native ether
I always end up ranking it lower simply cause its just not a very popular weapon. Not a bad one though. Its slower, but you don't have to play anywhere near as close to enemies as you do the spear, making it a safer weapon (and imo better).
my ranking list usually goes
- Shield
- Sword and Rail
- Bow
- Spear
junior axle
Yeaaah, Shield with Poseidon boons is soooooooooo much fun
pastel jolt
who replaced a bunch of the multiplier values in artemis's boon table on the wiki with static values.......
native ether
its easy to revert back to an older version right?
pastel jolt
nah, it doesn't need reverting, it just threw me for a loop when i went to check the data
stray frigate
yes! athena leg!
stray frigate
styx?
humble arrow
??
stray frigate
his trinket
native ether
Patroclus' trinker is probably the best trinket to use going into Styx assuming you don't need extra health from Dog Collar, or an extra Death Defiance from Skelly
pastel jolt
yeah, i use the spearpoint in styx and usually if i don't need to god keepsake my way deeper into a build i'll use it in elysium too
native ether
which is typically why I prioritize getting as much health as I can in Elysium
I take Coin Purse in Elysium so I can get every Centaur Heart door and still have enough money for a shop
which tends to leave me at around 250-300 health max going into Styx, which is also a good amount for Hades considering you always get a heart in Styx and it could be a double heart
pastel jolt
man, i don't even know how i ended up with 1k gold in styx in my last run
native ether
never buy anything in a shop ever :p
pastel jolt
that's..... what i did, actually, come to think of it
turbid needle
yeah bow is pretty horrible
the weapon is dysfunctional on higher heat becaues of how long it takes to fire
solid cairn
I think I found the worst thanatos room
it's the asphodel one with all of the potion thrower things
I had no damage upgrades on rail
I had no damage upgrades on rail
turbid needle
sometimes you just gotta run around and let him clear the room for ya
How do you get the defiance boom from chaos? I've been trying nonstop. Need it to complete the prophecy. I dont need to lose one of my death defiance first right?
gray plover
only seen it twice in 90 runs
stray frigate
never for 50 runs
turbid needle
It's my last prophecy then I'm done
final fox
you need to already have a chaos boon to be offered the defiance boon
and then you need to get lucky
turbid needle
Oh okay thanks. Doesn't say that on the wiki
pastel jolt
@turbid needle i'm working on it 😅
mint belfry
Hi, can anyone recommend aspects for bow and railgun? which is the best to upgrade 1st?
pastel jolt
honestly, chiron and hera are both really good on bow, it just depends what sort of build you like more
stray frigate
hera is good
pastel jolt
i think i like chiron more just for ease of use, though
unkempt pagoda
for bow, both aspects are great
wooden sierra
Poison is good with the right boons and with the duo Zeus boon
pastel jolt
i gotta try a blade rift hera build at some point
unkempt pagoda
chiron is great with poison, hera is good with big damage casts
pastel jolt
i haven't touched the rail's aspects yet lmao
wooden sierra
Ares and artemis is good as well, with the right boon combination
stray frigate
@wooden sierra duo zeus not inflict poison?
wooden sierra
The double cast with artemis, and ares blade cast
unkempt pagoda
for rail, eris is a global damage buff, but hestia is like 14 shots in one
wooden sierra
Plus additional cast from chaos
unkempt pagoda
eris is suited for if you like to use special, attack, and cast interwoven
wooden sierra
Yea, but the festive fog have a lightning strike
unkempt pagoda
hestia is specfically just an attack build
wooden sierra
Plus with your special having poison
Your festive fog impact have additional damage
mint belfry
but what about the Zagreus aspects?
wooden sierra
Huge additional damage
pastel jolt
i'm curious what max zagreus aspect on the rail looks like actually
pastel jolt
nice
unkempt pagoda
ah, zag bow is an occasional attack buff and zag rail is just Good™️ (unless you take infinity rail)
gray plover
@stray frigate I didn't realise it. And didn't see anyone else mention it either. But I was giving everyone nectar to max everyone. When you give Chaos the second nectar she gives you another prophecy. And you get another one after the third.
It took me so long to realise that... that they were completed the second I got them lol.
stray frigate
@gray plover thx for that i will try it
kind marten
Does Chiron Bow work with Zeus Special, btw? It seems too good to be true if it does, but then again, loads of builds are ridiculously powerful.
pastel jolt
@gray plover "another prophecy"?
gray plover
You get one that is buffs, and one that is debuffs
unkempt pagoda
i think zeus special was specifically patched to only do one bolt per special?
pastel jolt
buff/debuff is just how chaos's boons work
kind marten
Seems reasonable, like Support Fire then
gray plover
It's a random roll though
pastel jolt
well yeah
unkempt pagoda
speaking of chaos, what's the difference between rarities for chaos boons? i've never been able to figure it out
kind marten
Higher values, I would expect
gray plover
you could get all the boons without taking all the debuffs so that's why it's separate
pastel jolt
the blessings get stronger, i don't think the curses also get stronger
oh now i see what you mean
gray plover
yeah I didn't do a good job explaining it
native ether
Curses are unaffected by rarity, but their effects are somewhat random
pastel jolt
yeah, lyorn, their boons work by pasting together curses/blessings randomly
stray frigate
and harder curses
pastel jolt
the death defiance boon from chaos just requires that you've already gotten one chaos boon in that run
native ether
Higher rarity means better benefits. No extra punishment.
Rarity does not affect the negative aspect in any way.
pastel jolt
it's pretty rare though so you might not see it for a while
gray plover
ending up in a boss fight with -hp on attack 
solid cairn
WOO FIRST GAME CRASH
stray frigate
now swap weapon lvlup heat and do it again lad
urban void
had a super powerful zeus ares run with rail
stray frigate
zeus auto with rail is just something yeah
urban void
max level jolt with no reload and faster fire rate is insane
man you really do kill a lot of mobs in this game
10 attempts and almost 3000 foes slain
gray plover
don't feel bad they're already dead 👍
urban void
good point
urban void
that's fine they're poison rats
stray frigate
and satyrs
gray plover
it's okay, it's self defence
urban void
hey if hades just let you out you wouldn't have to kill em
gray plover
There are no signs to say "stay out"
urban void
there is a metal bar gate in front of the entrance though
gray plover
Zag doesn't know the rules of the living
native ether
In this example, I got the basic railgun to Theseus, and the fight was massively long, because the railgun just couldn't do enough burst damage to Theseus in like the 2 seconds he's attackable after his throws his spear. I feel like he shouldn't be able to instantly spin around when he's getting ready to throw his spear, so that we can dodge behind him and hit him a few times... or just something different where he's not literally invincible to the railgun 95% of the fight, because in the last phase I was definitely spending way more time dodging behind pillars and dodging circles, than actually attacking Theseus. And I think I even had two Chaos attack boons, and decent hammer upgrades at the time.
And then I got to Hades, and it felt like I was spending way more time attacking the high HP additional spawns, than actually attacking Hades, especially where he spawned the glowing pink butterfly globe, that took over a minute to kill by itself with the railgun. Semi-unrelated, the Thanatos event was also not realistic with the basic railgun, because the enemies were too spread apart to aoe, and the railgun's single target dps just wasn't good enough to win the event.```
Ironically i felt the game was too easy for the longest time, it was my biggest critique of the game.
Though it sounds like your issue was the lack of the damage on the rail.
@hollow sorrel what were your Daedalus Hammers?
cedar mirage
I keep seeing reference to chaos legendary, can someone clue me in? I have like 100+ runs and haven’t encountered it
plain citrus
I needed like 37 tries to win
Hey is there a way to check my old run where I won? Like what boons I had and stuff cuz I forgot to take a celebratory screencap ;-;
stray frigate
i think not
maiden hawk
Can someone explain me about Fated Authority, the Mirror and the Darkness?
I hear people talk about buying tons of Fated Authorities but I can't get more than 1 through the mirror. I've got 10k Darkness on top of having 2500/2500 in Mirror Upgrades, do I have to unlock something? Or I missed something? Help? ;D
maiden hawk
Hell Mode
maiden hawk
@stray frigate aah, I see. Thanks! So Darkness is basically useless on Hell Mode once you fully upgrade the mirror?
maiden hawk
Okay ;D
urban void
@stray frigate thanks i keep giving nectar to different people each time so haven't reached max level on any of them
turbid needle
yeah, sadly you can't ever use more than 2.5k darkness on hell mode
stray frigate
@urban void there are only 4
for now
which can be gifted by Ambrosia
wanna spoile it?
urban void
nah i'll just keep gifting til i get it
stray frigate
it's not just nectar
it's some
conditions
for every person
like a quest or something
but i'm not sure
barren nimbus
oh man tight deadline sure is something
urban void
it's alright i've only done 10 runs
i need to play more
man the hades fight was rough though
very glad there wasn't another health bar
stray frigate
last run i killed him
with all DD
Athena leg is so op
@urban void u will have upgrade
house upgrade
u will find some extra reward in chests
chance for that
and there may be nectar
junior axle
Just won another run with Shield, Poseidon attack boon and alooot more and athena dash
It's such an easy win if you have those 2
But always stays satisfying smacking mobs in the face with a shield and them flying away
stray frigate
👆🏻
solar night
@turbid needle
kind marten
How does Rail Hestia interact with Spread Fire? I need Spread Fire for Prophecy but I don't want to completely nuke my already good build from orbit by ruining Hestia.
turbid needle
it doesn't
your reload shot stays the same and the rest of your mag is a spread shot
kind marten
Excellent. Ty.
turbid needle
The defiance one from chaos was so hard to find
spare cobalt
Man, the death barge on high heat is... chaotic.
novel tapir
Whoops
spare cobalt
Wrong build and you're just kinda dead.
Yeah, that + faster enemies. The whole screen is a bad place to be.
pastel jolt
@novel tapir Please don't try and dodge the swear filter.
stray frigate
@novel tapir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewhuLU4GPwQ
novel tapir
🤔
pastel jolt
turbid needle
I swear the second I talk on here about how amazing Support Fire is and how much I love it, I never see it again
I see your game, devs
Targeting me specifically
turbid needle
gj
stray frigate
whatever
steep sentinel
Does Stygian Blade ever get the darkness bonus? I haven't seen it once and I haven't used the blade in forever.
turbid needle
It does
grizzled tusk
I
HATE
the hydra
even if the fight isn't the toughest thing it just
it just takes forever
turbid needle
The bosses can get tedious
grizzled tusk
Sure but
novel nova
It really makes you build JUST for it
grizzled tusk
the other bosses are fast paced
novel nova
Fast pace is good
grizzled tusk
and even if you're lacking in areas you can actually learn patterns and play around that
with hydra its just
there's like 10 ads on the screen
and i'm going to sit here invuln
novel nova
The RNG, back attacks, camping in lava and ad spawning is just much
novel tapir
Also my very minor gripe with the fight
when you hit the hydra head and it is invulnerable
storm rock
novel tapir
it knocks you back so hard
turbid needle
Yup
storm rock
unhealthy fixation with five weak arrows is so good
perma hades cc
also knocks him out of laser animation
novel nova
I gotta boost my bow game 😭
stray frigate
@storm rock what are these cats on ur screen
wary knot
Looks awesome!
stray frigate
++
wary knot
Also Legendary Zagreus aspect + unhealthy fixation does sound pretty hilarious
storm rock
cause its hard to scale a game liek this to 219
novel nova
I gotta get used to Chiron aspect
wary knot
Most of the Legendary boons are pretty nuts
unkempt pagoda
The well shouldn't be able to sell a Trove Tracker in Styx, as trove do not appear in Styx. Alternatively, let troves appear in Styx.
Troves do appear in Styx, they just only do so after buying a trove tracker
wary knot
Being able to stun bosses is super buff though
novel tapir
@novel nova you should totally learn how to consistently blend in the special animation with your dash
that makes chiron for me
novel nova
Thank you for the advice actually that's what I've been doing wrong I've been playing two stationary with a bow
Too*
novel tapir
Yeah if you press special and quickly press dash
it does the animation while dashing
it also looks super cool
wary knot
I just finished a pretty great 'kitchen sink' run. I don't really know where all my damage was coming from but it went great 
https://imgur.com/a/yr3Ohf2
Also somehow I'd never found the 'stacking doom' boon before in all my runs, it's sweet!
turbid needle
Stacking doom is weird
novel nova
The Zeus aspect for shield is way too hood
turbid needle
I feel like it's only there to 'fix' runs where you're unlucky enough to get doom on high attack speed weapons
novel nova
Good*
turbid needle
Zeus Aspect for shield is so bad tho
novel tapir
Yeah the stacking doom thing is so weird
because I usually take doom for the opposite reason
stray frigate
@turbid needle fine for me
it can easy proc some debuf
also with good poseidon buf it can be rly good
novel nova
And if you put it with the Athena Boone it just makes it really good protections
stray frigate
++
novel tapir
I like doom with zeus shield a lot
novel nova
That's a good one too because it just keeps applying it
novel nova
It's also a tremendous boss killer cuz you all you need to do is just stand it and learn your spacings
wary knot
I assume the extra damage the doom stacking boon gives you scales on your weapon?
storm rock
what works with the blitz shiled btw
it just roams around the map while im whacking enemies
wary knot
As my bow special only gave +8 damage per 'stack'. Which would be pretty puny on slower attacks
charred solar
I've concidered Zeus special with the blitz shield, but haven't tested it.
Though even if it does work, it doesnt' fix the shield just kinda...wandering
fading sandal
welp, there's the reason you shouldn't cheat in piercing special on chiron bow
it
it's dealing no damage but the arrows are still homing
orchid sonnet
A petrify cast + Eris aspect is fun.
pastel jolt
nyoom
turbid needle
For real though, the Nemesis/Zagreus sword has so little in terms of ranged attacks
Makes the little explodey chariots such a pain to deal with
sullen falcon
hey guys what happens when you fill all the heart to a certain character ?
stray frigate
@sullen falcon some may give u a comp
orchid sonnet
Lore
sullen falcon
thanks
stray frigate
51% dodge was pretty cool
but i wanted duo(
also looks like sword is best for Hermes trinket
helps to clean room fast
jagged perch
Wasn't have much luck until I unlocked the shield and got up to the hydra and did very well against him first time. I have to say I'm not overly fond of the randomness of the boons each time. I get some things I like, then lose them next go round. Doesn't feel very good IMO. Also it would be nice to be able to try builds in the practice area with Skellie instead of just the regular weapons without any boons.
hushed thunder
One of the fun of this game (and many rouge-like/lite) is to be able to make a build with what you are given. I have kinda remembered a few combo's to work with.
jagged perch
The game got a LOT more fun after I picked up the shield, though. The gameplay felt a lot better and not nearly as frustrating as with other weapons. I don't do very well with the other melee weapons for some reason. I was kicking butt with the bow, and even cleared Meg the first time I fought her. Then I tried the spear and went on a losing streak against her. Sometimes with the spear I couldn't even GET to Meg let alone fight and defeat her. After I picked up the shield, however, that's when the game REALLY took off. Just felt a lot better in general and with specific boons it's amazing. I could get all the way to Asphodel without even losing my death defiance, where before I would use it at least once.
fading sandal
lmao, it lagged so much when i put too many arrows in hades
i couldn't do anything
stray frigate
@jagged perch how many runs did u do already?
turbid needle
@jagged perch consider turning on god mode if using the other weapons truly becomes a slog
jagged perch
I'm really enjoying this game, though. It just feels weird to lose everything each time you go through and start 'all over' even though I've got keepsakes and what not to help buff me up. I am noticing patterns to the game, though, and starting to get the rhythm of the fights down a lot more. (Meg showing up after a certain number of rooms, etc.) Starting to remember a lot more of the boon icons, and being able to plan ahead for purchases and what not is pretty cool.
I think I'm up to 13 or so. I was having a lot of fun last night and didn't want to turn it off but I had to go to bed.
stray frigate
well it's ok to die fast and die often in the beginning
wary knot
Does anyone know how Dire Misfortune (stacking doom) and Impending Doom (Higher damage, slower doom) interact with the Aphro-Ares duo boon?
jagged perch
Yes
stray frigate
u will leran ur timings and ranges
jagged perch
Some enemies that gave me a lot of trouble are getting to be less and less a problem.
stray frigate
u will make it one day or another
jagged perch
especially those bomb throwing dudes.
jagged perch
LOVE shield.
last nacelle
I would think that the way Curse of Longing works is that, doom doesn't wear off when it deals damage to weak targets.
stray frigate
Hammer for dash attack
and for double attack
and more Chaos for attack/dash attack
last nacelle
That's a best case scenario though and I'm not sure if that's how it works. Dire Misfortune would combo with Curse of Longing in that case.
jagged perch
Haven't used many calls yet - seem underwhelming. Love the Aphrodite special that turns it into a shotgun.
last nacelle
@stray frigate I call that strategy "Dash Stack".
jagged perch
Ok, time to play a bit before dinner.
stray frigate
@last nacelle and i called Dumb 1button spammer
jagged perch
Just thought I'd post some more feedback.
chilly summit
Is it me or is the shield extremely powerful?
stuck bough
https://gyazo.com/6a4d1c16e294af93202c0d582f7a30c7 this"build" was a mess, I somehow salvaged it
vestal parcel
Huh, I just completed the "Primordial Banes" prophecy, which wasn't in the list at all until I finished it. Is it hidden until you finish it? Are there other hidden ones?
last nacelle
Did you forget to scroll down?
stray frigate
@vestal parcel how many times did u gift nectar to Chaos
vestal parcel
Hm, might have been the first time I gave nectar to Chaos.
chilly summit
@last nacelle Being able to block is soo good, and chaos aspect seems to be insane
vestal parcel
Guess giving a gift to Chaos unlocks it? Are there others like that?
vestal parcel
First 15-heat clear. Hestia rail, mostly Artemis+Aphrodite boons. I had both Artemis and Chaos boons adding ~100% each to dash attacks, which is super fun with Hestia.
turbid needle
Nice!
vestal parcel
5 forced overtime is...a bit much for me, though.
And man do I hate it when the final boss summons in exalted.
turbid needle
the variation in difficulty depending on what he summons is a pain yh
got my first chariot/voidstones experience today
that sucked!!!
opal hornet
is it just me or every run the game gets easier ?
turbid needle
@opal hornet Will break down the factors :
- Playing a lot/doing something in general each day for a while, will make your brain automatically using what we call as "muscle memory".
- Getting used to mechanics and thinking strategies or just blindly dash in and attack while evading is not hard, you get to have either option.
- IF playing in God Mode, the more you die, the more you increase 2% resistance up to 80%, that makes future runs easier.
- Bosses can be intimidating in the first few runs, after that, even their ex modes are not so bad and you getting used to them.
- The game has been designed flawlessly with TONS of work on details about each enemy and when they attack, it's so easy to read them or at least expect them what they gonna do eventually, because you'll be like "I remember this guy, he is gonna do it, oop, he is gonna do it, again!"
So, yeah, the game can get easier, but still challenging and fun.
opal hornet
i agree, the game sill fun
stoic ginkgo
I hate when he summons a gorgan head. They have way too much hp
turbid needle
They are practically push-overs.
The only scary thing is when they land a petrify on you and there's enemies around you hitting you.
Otherwise, when they are alone, it's gg.
stoic ginkgo
I'm talking about when Hades summons one
turbid needle
These are easy, too, you mean the green / flaming ones, right?
Or you mean the regular one?
With armor.
Ah nvm, poor wording.
The ones he throws are the skulls. lol
Yeah, I see what you mean here, the regular gorgon with armor that petrifies you.
stoic ginkgo
Yeah
stoic ginkgo
My only issue with it is the fact it has a ton of armor and and takes a while to kill while you have to keep running around dodging Hades
I would rather him summon literally anything else
cosmic dawn
Hey, can anyone tell me how to get the heart rend duo boon? It's the last one I need to complete the divine pairings prophecy/quest thingy
Also thanks in advance to anyone who answers the question because I'm gonna be gone for about half an hour to an hour
unkempt pagoda
it should just be any main aphrodite boon (attack/special/etc) + any main artemis boon
pastel jolt
@cosmic dawn it requires either deadly strike or deadly flourish from artemis, and either heartbreak strike, heartbreak flourish, shatter shot, or passion dash from aphrodite
mild crag
Strange it doesn't include True Shot, Pressure Points or Artemis's Aid
unkempt pagoda
the wiki is outdated so they probably do
i remember true shot used to not have a crit chance attached to it
mild crag
Makes sense
pastel jolt
artemis's page, specifically, is not outdated
unkempt pagoda
hmm, then i'm not sure why true shot or arty's aid aren't included
mild crag
Because gottem
pastel jolt
i'm not sure either, but considering i pulled the list of prerequisites directly out of the files, i'm pretty sure i got them right!
¯_(ツ)_/¯
mild crag
just mod it so it does include them
azure bone
Man I wish zues was different mechanicall6
stuck bough
azure bone
A bunch of tiny hits doesnt feel very thunder and lightning
stuck bough
I finally got this build~
potent lichen
For Duo's to be able to gain, do you need Tier 3 in each God or only the one you want to get the duo with.
potent lichen
All the Wiki says Duo's are tier 3.
native ether
Duos are classed at Tier 3 afaik because all Tier 3 boons require you to have 2 boons.
Duos have specific requirements, but here's a couple rules of thumb:
- If a duo requires you to have something, say, Weak, you need a boon that can consistently give you Weak. (So a Primary boon from Aphro)
- Boons that don't have a specific requirement like that generally require a primary boon from both gods to obtain (example: The Dio Poseidon Duo Boon, Exclusive Access, requires both a Primary Dio and Poseidon boon)
pastel jolt
honestly the tier thing is a little [wiggles hand vaguely] but it tends to be "tier 3 requires tier 2, tier 2 requires tier 1"
native ether
I think of it more as a "Tier 1 requires no boon, Tier 2 requires one previous boon, Tier 3 requires two previous boons" but either will get you pretty close.
Don't think the game itself classifies them in tiers. The wiki just does to help make understanding the mechanics easier.
pastel jolt
ttttechnically yes?
the game classes boons as tier 1 or tier 2 which controls how high their rarity scaling goes
potent lichen
^ Good question
native ether
(besides the obvious Chaos effects)
pastel jolt
heartbreak strike - tier 1 - epic multiplier is 1.8--2.0
sweet surrender - tier 2 - epic multiplier is 2.0--2.5
(or at least i THINK that's how the multipliers still go, it's been a while)
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i'm still trying to work that one out
stray frigate
Euro CAN make heroic boon with her 1st dish
pastel jolt
i know which boons can't be pommed but so far i'm pretty sure the only things eurydice can't boost are legendary/duo boons
native ether
Ohhhhh I see. I swear I've seen a Heroic Hermes dash.
She could boost Athena legendary for a bit and it was funny cause it didn't affect it but it doubled the time it said it took the shield to recharge
last nacelle
DeGrand's catchphrase seems to be quickly becoming "the hammer will come back".
Because he skips hammers so often.
potent lichen
I'm trying to understand Pecks msg at 7:10, What does that multiplier do in this case? isn't the % dmg boost the increase?
I guess my question is what does the multiplier do.
pastel jolt
(my name is sparrow, just btw)
potent lichen
Sorry!
native ether
Sparrow means that the multiplier applied to the boon is within those numbers
pastel jolt
anyway, basically most of the boons in the game don't have 'fixed' strengths when they're higher than common rarity
they take the value at common rarity, and then the multiplier is applied and you get the higher rarity value. that can change a little each time
so if you take, idk, artemis attack, for example
at common rarity, it's +20% damage. at epic rarity it could be +36% damage or it could be +40% or between those two
that's probably not a great explanation, i'm bad at numbers and even worse at explaining them properly.
tl;dr: boon strength is ever so slightly wibbly
potent lichen
Omg that makes so much sense now. No no u did a perfect job, thank you so much Sparrow!
native ether
I believe Hades also always rounds up? So you can't ever get a decimal
Well it might be tracking decimals behind the scenes but the game will always round all the numbers you see
potent lichen
I was sitting here like..... wtf i've never seen those numbers.... why would they exist. HAHA All hail sparrow!!! Thank you 🙂
pastel jolt
cinder, i strongly doubt that's a hades reference specifically :P
potent lichen
is a controller more preferred? I use mouse and keyboard.
pastel jolt
personally i like controller more than kbm
frozen panther
Well I started getting wrist pain from games that require a lot of button mashing on keyboard
pastel jolt
have done since the bastion days ^^
frozen panther
so I got a controller cuz I really don't want carpal tunnel xD
potent lichen
I ordered a new controller as my 8 year old one has some trigger/button issues so maybe ill try some 0 heats once it's here lol. The one thing on KBM is that it's hard to aim special top left as the Q key is next to the W and A key so i have to let one go to activate it. So i tend not to use specials in that direction.
frozen panther
I have a gaming mouse so i just assigned the special to a side button
native ether
I prefer Mouse and Keyboard with the rail. Much faster for the Special.
I prefer Mouse and Keyboard in general but hey you're talking to the nut job who beat all of Hollow Knight (including most of the Pantheon content) with Mouse and Keyboard
potent lichen
@frozen panther I cannot use side buttons for my life!
frozen panther
my problem was the wrist pain when I wanna play the game for long hours
I thought so too, cause i wasn't used to it
but you get used to it
xD
native ether
I also play a lot of Overwatch. Very accustomed to a KBM setup due to that.
native ether
better than me oof but tbf people I play against uninstall the game :p
frozen panther
native ether
its funny watching someone in a competitive game immediately leave in rage and cancel the match cause they looked at my profile and read "180 hours on Sombra"
frozen panther
LOL
native ether
what can I say, I like playing things other people say are trash. Then everyone said she was op and I kept playing her cause I just enjoy it
I became a rail addict cause people used to say it was the worst weapon and that a 120 Heat clear (24 heat nowadays) was impossible on it
frozen panther
meh idk what the meta is. I quit OW like after ana was released or smth like that?
native ether
lol you've missed some "fun" metas lol
The best one was where we forgot how to play dps for a year and played 3 tank 3 support
last nacelle
Double Nova Divine Flourish meta.
frozen panther
i haven't played any heroes starting from Brigitte
pastel jolt
y'all
frozen panther
pastel jolt
i will tap the sign again, so help me gods.
frozen panther
tap
native ether
oh no the off topic police, everyone scram before we get arrested :kappa:
frozen panther
native ether
(also sparrow thanks for doing the fated list, i was dreading that one on the wiki)
pastel jolt
i mean i haven't done anything about the fated list yet but i will end up doing it at some point i'm sure
assuming anything needs changing about it
native ether
oh i thought it was you who was editing it, my bad. Wiki editing is a blur.
i think i got all of the meta progression upgrades on the house contractor
pastel jolt
i updated artemis's page and the mere concept of having to redo the math for quick reload made me lose the will to continue for today, so
native ether
also we have a house contractor page now
potent lichen
Will there be a bugfix / cleaanup patch before the big patch drops at the end of January?
native ether
we likely won't see any patch to the game until the January patch unless a critical game breaking bug was found
usually the update patches bring a whole host of bug fixes (and ofc, some new ones)
solid cairn
They still refer to nectar as ambrosia on the wiki
My best time is 23
While not even trying to go fast
solid cairn
Very low heat tho
turbid needle
the only things i got that upped my damage was aphrodite artemis duo, and artemis attack
solid cairn
Guys I have a hot take
Forced overtime is one of the only fun stipulations on the pact
turbid needle
the rest was just aphrodite stuff like aphro dash cast etc.
solid cairn
And if not, it’s way more fun than the others
mild crag
Blood and darkness that is a hot take
solid cairn
Ok I mostly mean the second one
mild crag
Extreme Measures is the most fun for sure
solid cairn
What’s that again?
turbid needle
mild crag
Forced overtime is one of the most difficult
solid cairn
Forced overtime is a fun challenge
mild crag
Extreme measures is the boss upgrade one
pastel jolt
gotta complete each biome ina time limit or you start taking big damage and die
solid cairn
Things that buff enemies are more fun than things that nerf you
pastel jolt
extreme measures makes the first three boss fights more challenging
mild crag
The only ones which nerf you are budget cuts and tight deadline right?
turbid needle
hell mode is pointless change my mind
mild crag
Oh and lasting consequences
mild crag
Arguably convenience fee
solid cairn
Will probably rarely use them
mild crag
Oh also personal liability
turbid needle
does hell mode change anything other than you being forced into heat 5?
solid cairn
Aside from the prophecy
mild crag
@turbid needle there's conditions you can't turn off
solid cairn
Basically it makes the game harder and harder and you have no choice
I honestly prefer normal game
mild crag
Also when you clear the game it raises the minimum heat
solid cairn
I wouldn’t like that
mild crag
You can't turn off level 1 of budget cuts, calesthenics program, jury summons
solid cairn
I like taking my time
mild crag
And one more
solid cairn
Of course it’s budget cuts
mild crag
And also personal liability
solid cairn
One of the hardest ones to deal with in the game
turbid needle
whats the strongest weapon with its respected aspect in your opinion kossetsu
mild crag
I think it might be level 1 forced overtime you can't turn off
last nacelle
Chaos
solid cairn
I hate budget cuts and tight deadline so much
grand smelt
Tight Deadline doesn't nerf you.
solid cairn
I still hate it
grand smelt
You may not like it but it's a different thing.
I don't like things that nerf me and Tight Deadline is up my alley.
solid cairn
Waiting for someone to make a mod that gives no limit to amount of times you can stack effects
mild crag
My least favourite condition is probably lasting consequences
last nacelle
The worst part about Chaos Aspect Shield of Chaos being the strongest is that it doesn't even demand a weird playstyle in exchange for that power. If Hera Aspect Bow was the best weapon in the game, that would be better.
solid cairn
Chaos is boring dude
mild crag
Jury summons is more enemies in normal encounters
solid cairn
Shield needs a rework
mild crag
Chaos is by far the strongest but also boring
solid cairn
Nerf block and make it a high percent instead of full reduction
And buff the other attacks
And make zag aspect increase block percentage
Up to max at highest level
last nacelle
Of course, there's something about Hera bow that I really don't like, and that's the fact that it makes you much more likely to be screwed by Chaos.
solid cairn
I don’t like Hera bow
mild crag
Well then, why not. chaos says as you can't use your main ability from losing attack or cast
solid cairn
It takes so long for Dio clouds to disappear and be able to pick up the ammo again
last nacelle
Make the block from shield only last a few seconds after starting to charge a bull rush.
gusty nexus
What do the locked heart and clock mean when it comes to the codex and hearts?
mild crag
Locked heart is required story events and timer means its not out yet
versed ibex
Which boon is it that gives you +3 bloodstones?
versed ibex
awesome, thanks
azure bone
Aphrodite, shield, posiedan aspect all feel overtuned, dion and zues both feel undertuned (except that nasty festive fog combo they got) >_>
pastel jolt
hmmm. what build would you guys recommend to go for with achilles aspect on spear?
stray frigate
achilles is for special?
pastel jolt
yes
stray frigate
bruh not my choice
pastel jolt
you can rush to where your spear landed and your next 2 attacks/specials do bonus damage
frozen panther
pastel jolt
bruh it's my choice though.
frozen panther
i really hate the sword still
frozen panther
stray frigate
not for you, good sir
pastel jolt
the only one i was thinking of aviding was athena, because i can't make use of the deflect very well on spear special
stray frigate
dont listen my advice
mild crag
Probably focus on an attack or cast build and use your special just to apply a status curse
Probably weak
spare cobalt
Achilles aspect wants big number attacks as it procs a flat number of times rather than for a duration.
stray frigate
lets wait for Athena aspect
fading sandal
^
fading sandal
OR maybe you're doing the long game
frozen panther
xD
solid cairn
Have you tried poseidon @frozen panther
frozen panther
idc tbh about the sword, there's 4 better weapons to use
solid cairn
Oh boy
frozen panther
fading sandal
sword is 2nd best
fading sandal
bow>sword>shield>spear>rail
solid cairn
Wrong
frozen panther
it's all about perspective
solid cairn
Rail may be the best in the game
frozen panther
see?
fading sandal
i can't aim
frozen panther
everyone likes smth
solid cairn
The damage and flexibility due to all aspects being good
frozen panther
according to their playstyle
stray frigate
shield>shield>shield>rail>sword>spear>bow
frozen panther
shield > shield > shield > shield > shield
fading sandal
speakin of shield, i wasn't here earlier
spare cobalt
I think Achilles aspect could work with a high damage cast build, but honestly, the times I've tried it it's always felt too awkward and restrictive with the buff.
fading sandal
but it should have full block
novel tapir
🤔
frozen panther
sword mega bad
fading sandal
why the f would it not have full block when some rando soul has full block
solid cairn
Shield>Shield>Rail>Sword>Bow>Spear>Zeus shield
native ether
shield should have no block change my mind :kappa:
fading sandal
you're telling me the god's shield is gonna be weaker than some randos?
frozen panther
I agree lol
fading sandal
are you mad?
frozen panther
agreed
stray frigate
i use zeus only lol
native ether
in my opinion block should not exist on what's probably the most mobile weapon in the game that also has really high base damage
solid cairn
Or just keep it the way it is, nerf the block and make the other attacks better
frozen panther
gznm... who hurt you
solid cairn
85% reduction sounds better
native ether
throw it and forget about it
novel tapir
The damage is actually not that high, you get a ton of extra damage from wall slams
solid cairn
Shield is just dumb
fading sandal
which one's poseidon aspect?
pastel jolt
oh that's not fair
fading sandal
wait
pastel jolt
the game's making me pick between eurydice and hermes ;w;
solid cairn
Remove spells from enemy when you special them @fading sandal
fading sandal
you can call it back?
solid cairn
It’s very good with Athena
frozen panther
Eurydice lol
native ether
at least we can all agree that poseidon aspect sucks
excuse me
novel tapir
Yeah my man
spare cobalt
Chaos shield feels the least fun to me. With Zeus aspect, you have a mobile danger zone and a knockback weapon so you can try to dance around and herd enemies into the special. Is it worse than Chaos? Yes. But it's a way more active and engaging play style.
novel tapir
you can call it back
fast shardBOT
@fading sandal Watch your language.
solid cairn
Poseidon is like
novel tapir
lol
solid cairn
One of the best aspects in the game
fading sandal
a permanent atheno deflect
pastel jolt
also @frozen panther my 300-damage artemis cast run last night disagrees with you
native ether
I was about to say
fading sandal
that's soo goood
solid cairn
It’s good at base and scales well too
native ether
have you tried Poseidon Aspect with Exit Wounds
solid cairn
And with exit wounds oh my god
frozen panther
aspect is only useful with artemis tho which is why it sucks imo
solid cairn
Athena cast
frozen panther
aspect has no other use p much with any other build