had it only once(
#h1-builds-and-combat
woeful sage
To veer waaaaay off into another topic...
woeful sage
Does Dire Misfortune stack on itself?
turbid needle
Yes.
woeful sage
oohhhhhhh okay
Thought I tried it and it wasn't but maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention
turbid needle
Way too much play time.
Extreme Measures is a Pact of Punishment option that makes biome bosses more difficult.
latent badger
@woeful sage earlier you said to invest of wells in charon. Did you mean just to buy the ixion thing or is there a contractor improvement for the wells?
woeful sage
Yeah just the Ixion thing. : P
latent badger
aw
turbid needle
is there a max amount of chaos boons per run?
turbid needle
same iirc
latent badger
Charon keepsake used to work with ixion so I believe I had more but it got really hard with all the disadvantage
nimble vine
With Hestia do you want Spread fire?
turbid needle
No.
oh, you could get a chaos door every room for like 8 rooms in a row?
that's nuts
nimble vine
and i guess flurry is a waste too. Guess im going piercing fire
latent badger
I think so. its been a looong time
mild crag
Piercing fire is possibly the best or second best hammer for hestia
nimble vine
Well i guess it becomes a hammer through sniper
stray frigate
oh gosh
crimson geyser
i'm guessing there must be a max on chaos, there are max numbers on daedelus and hermes, chaos seems like they would have a max too
turbid needle
what's the max on hermes? 4?
azure bone
https://imgur.com/9dnpFhA decided to do another run with that sword again, actually got greater recall that time (but no exit wounds or extra casts so so much less damage)
final fox
piercing fire is probably the best hammer boon for hestia
you can now dab on the barge of death, and shoot straight through greatshields
azure bone
Its just such an easy and dumb strong build. Didn't even get chaos buff for casts x.x
mild crag
Also Thesus
crimson geyser
@turbid needle max hermes is 3, as i understand it
turbid needle
Yes, and you have to buy the third in Styx.
crimson geyser
nah i've gotten all 3 before styx before
and there was no hermes in the shop
in styx
...i'm like 90% sure of this lol
last nacelle
Greater Recall doesn't actually do too much for Poseidon aspect. The biggest thing it helps is room clear.
stray frigate
in last fight blobstones can fly in dead space
stray frigate
and recall is great to get them back
azure bone
but I also got extra range on Q so I could hit final boss from the edge with no self risk
with greater recall I could more easily get my stuff back to launch another volley
Maybe there's some secret to the other sword aspects but the Poseidon one feels so absurdly overtuned compared to the others.
gray plover
why's hermes so expensive in styx?
last nacelle
Hermes isn't a normal god boon, so it's more expensive.
gray plover
he costs 150 in other shops
azure bone
I'd say because he's always good with any build, and at that point in the game getting him is way more beneficial unless you're lucky on a legendary.
last nacelle
Oh wait, that's right.
stray frigate
150 for usual
azure bone
Also is he always 450?
last nacelle
And normal double boons are 250 rather than 150.
gray plover
400
stray frigate
400 is more rare or epic
azure bone
I've seen him cheaper I thought, since some items in the shop cost more arbitrarily
gray plover
sometimes the gods there are 350 so him being 400 is even crazier
azure bone
Like I've seen 3 poms at the shop there at a different price each
gray plover
they give different amounts of level up though
azure bone
one for 150, two for 350
azure bone
No pact, but I know it was more than 100
gray plover
ah
azure bone
its 100 in normal shop, but prices are weird at the end
gray plover
maybe it is 150 then
yeah
I usually try to buy the resource
but if things are too expensive it's hard to get the blood
diamond is usually easy enough
crimson geyser
dang
limpid tapir
Bring the coin purse and Sisyphus' trinket
crimson geyser
i've never bought the blood/diamond
gray plover
I do use sis
azure bone
I literally never have gotten the diamond or blood. It doesn't seem worth it
limpid tapir
Sisyphus drops you 60-105 gold every time he's called down, and the coin purse gives you 200
crimson geyser
same, tho diamonds come painfully slow
last nacelle
It's hard if Chaos doesn't decide that you have unlimited money for that run.
limpid tapir
I always get it nowadays, speeds up the diamond and titan blood grind
limpid tapir
You go from getting 2 blood a run to 3, 50% increase in speed
gray plover
there will be more aspects so you'll need more blood anyway
limpid tapir
Sisyphus alone gets me anywhere between 300 and 500 gold for free over the course of a run, not to mention he heals you for 80 each time
+12 darkness
azure bone
Yea but honestly some of the aspects aren't even worth upgrading/using <_<
limpid tapir
Hey man, upgrade them all! May as well, right?
limpid tapir
^
gray plover
but gonna need like 40-50 for the next weapon anyway
limpid tapir
I'm hoarding titan blood for the new incoming weapon and new aspects
Not to mention ambrosia for the last two companion trinkets
gray plover
they might change the way resources work
limpid tapir
Yeah, so I'd rather have it bought and taken care of now
crimson geyser
i would be surprised if they don't change the way resources work, to some extent at least
gray plover
true, so best to stock up
crimson geyser
though it seems like they've usually made it more forgiving
the only time i've ever seen them give any kind of payoff for resource changes was giving darkness for heat
gray plover
tbh, I will probably not play much more. almost got my gods fully nectar'd and there's not much else
I don't think I'm gonna bother with heat 16/32
not til next patch
so I have something to do lol
azure bone
I still haven't found a use for ambrosia even though I'm running around trying to hand out nectar as much as possible
gray plover
it's a bit RNG based
crimson geyser
i never have much nectar
azure bone
I may have gotten fed up and traded 5 of it for 5 blood
gray plover
rip
crimson geyser
all my gods are on 1 nectar, so is hypnos, nyx, cerberus, dusa, uhh...
that might be it
azure bone
I think cerb/nyx are on two for me.
crimson geyser
i think i've nectar'd out everyone else
gray plover
you haven't been giving cerb nectar? D:
limpid tapir
That's my collection of dialogue thus far! Here for rereading if anyone wants
azure bone
should that be in spoilers?
limpid tapir
Hmmm. True, but relevant to this convo atm
azure bone
still, spoilers to be safe
gray plover
but spoilers though 🤷♀️
frozen panther
OI
frozen panther
WHO ISNT GIVING CERBERUS NECTAR
gray plover
^
limpid tapir
aaaand done 😛
azure bone
I gave cerp one nectar
gray plover
how do you pet him then
crimson geyser
i never have enough nectar
limpid tapir
Cerberus is best boy!
azure bone
cerb*
frozen panther
prepare for death, fiend
gray plover
I pet him every time
azure bone
Cerb gets a treat every single run
frozen panther
oh my god im turning into theseus
azure bone
give it all to skelly
frozen panther
i juts gift whoever i can whenever
crimson geyser
thinking maybe i should just farm the f out of nectar
frozen panther
idc much xD
crimson geyser
skelly is maxed
crimson geyser
skelly, meg, achilles, orpheus, eurydice, patroclus are maxed.. i think that's it
oh yeah charon is also still only on 1 heart for me
limpid tapir
bone 10/10, Nova XD
limpid tapir
Cerby was mine!
crimson geyser
haha
frozen panther
i didnt know what i was doing back then
limpid tapir
Good boy deserves all the nectar.
frozen panther
i still dont know what im doing
crimson geyser
when do we get to be friends with asterius tho
gray plover
I maxed Cerberus first too. I kinda knew it wouldn't give me anything but also... that's not what it was about
limpid tapir
right?
frozen panther
uhh how about never?
limpid tapir
but I wanna call the bull during his own duel!
crimson geyser
whaaaaAAAAaAA?
limpid tapir
Extreme Asterius spin for a calldown
frozen panther
I wanna call cerberus to eat Asterius how about that
gray plover
oohh... maybe I should try Extreme Measures 3 before I stop playing >_>
crimson geyser
i don't even need asterius to gimme a companion, just a keepsake and some dialogue
❤️
eternal stag
please asterius.........just let me befriend him
frozen panther
Can we get a 40 kill nuke? 
gray plover
will go for it now
limpid tapir
i feel you, mate!
last nacelle
Who else thinks that Hunter's Mark is bad? The way it works means that it doesn't even really count as a debuff because you can never reliably apply it to something.
azure bone
I think the fact it doesn't apply to your target makes it borderline useless
esp compared to everything else available
last nacelle
Thought even if Artemis does drop the ball on enabling privileged status, she still does contribute highly to any build's DPS.
turbid needle
It's quite useful for dealing with bigger groups, but yeah it's not the strongest.
azure bone
I think the mark should have inifnite range, but limited to one target
so you'd want to swap targets perodically
orchid sonnet
Back when hunters mark only worked on your target it was great.
Maybe if there is no other foe in proximity it should go to target?
azure bone
only fights without any kind of alternate target I can think of are bull solo fight and murrrder
orchid sonnet
I mean when you take out the rest of the enemies.
latent badger
does relative speed and passing through stack?
orchid sonnet
Could help with Elysium and Styx armored enemies.
last nacelle
If artemis was reworked a little so that her crit abilities applied a debuff that made enemies crit-able instead of having crit chance themselves, would that be interesting?
mild crag
procing on the target you crit would make it too strong since it's basically just +50% crit rate or so at that point
turbid needle
I'd like to see that for Hunter Mark when there's only one enemy in a chamber.
last nacelle
The fact that artemis debuff also only has a chance to be applied on hit, also makes it the worst.
Does rarity affect anything about the cast stone Chaos boon?
turbid needle
Might make the condition less harsh.
last nacelle
How does Vicious Cycle work exactly? Does the blade rift become stronger every time it hits, or does the enemy take more damage every time it gets hit? Will a single blade rift hitting a bunch of dudes at once become rapidly stronger? Will one dude being hit by a bunch of blade rifts rapidly increase in damage taken?
latent badger
I thought every damage they take increases by one
stray frigate
every rift deals his own dmg
and every rift dmg incresing
and for more enemies
i think it counts for every enemy on his own
azure bone
Does that work with the ares call? Because if so thats a lotta damage
latent badger
I think so. I've gotten rift imnprovements when I only had call before
I haven't gotten vicious cycle persay though, so jury's out
spark wren
i still dont understand how titan blood and the pacts work. the wiki says i need to defeat the furies with a higher heat level than previously. So if i beat them at 60 heat the first time, does that mean i lost out on 59 titan blood?
last nacelle
No, it goes through the bounties one by one from the bottom.
charred solar
Does the Hera upgrade Ammo Drop Time buff effect Ares or Dionysis's casts in any way?
turbid needle
No.
spark wren
(im playing on hell mode) so if i stop getting titan blood with a weapon, then turn the heat to 6 ill get one more? If i turn it to lets say 9, then ill get up to 4 more?
stray frigate
same for ares - 4 sec
charred solar
You'll get bounties for beating bosses at your current heat level with a weapon - if you go over the needed heat level, it just counts it as whatever it should have been. So it doesn't set you back, but it also doesn't give you anything extra, so there's no point making it harder on yourself than you need for that
crimson geyser
yeah so far the only benefits for going over on heat are erebus encounters, and the prizes in the courtyard if you don't have them yet (which i don't lol)
spark wren
does this only work once i beat the game? Im asking because when i raise the heat level it doesnt seem to indicate im gonna get anything for it
crimson geyser
oh yeah
you only get to move onto the next heat level once you clear on the current one
charred solar
You shouldn't even have access to that if you haven't beaten the game yet.
Unless it's a hell mode thing?
spark wren
its a hell mode thing
stray frigate
Looks like ares-aphro duo woks not the way i expected
spark wren
kinda weird and unintuitive honestly
last nacelle
Doom goes from being a burst to a DoT on weak enemies.
charred solar
Ares-Aphrodies is kinda meh, imo.
stray frigate
i thought doom will appear on enemies i will proc weak
last nacelle
But it's not like the duo boon scams you with its description. It's still worth it to take in any build that applies doom.
charred solar
It is still more damage than the Doom alone would do, but... really underwhelming for a duo
turbid needle
I find it super useful with Empty Inside for a very long Privileged Status timer.
latent badger
It's good for privileged status, though.
stray frigate
and only after that
last nacelle
There is no way to proc two debuffs in one attack.
stray frigate
i know
turbid needle
There are.
charred solar
Technically Hera bow can
azure bone
@crimson geyser prizes in the courtyard and erebus encounters?
latent badger
I can proc jolted and whatever poseidon's status is with zeus poseidon duo and poseidon attack
rustled?
gray plover
seems like asterius is more deadly than theseus in the extreme fight. yikes
latent badger
rippled?
turbid needle
Ruptured.
latent badger
ah
azure bone
Theseus is easier in extreme than he is in normal lol
turbid needle
Rustled is hilarious, though.
gray plover
yeah
azure bone
asterius gets WAY harder though
gray plover
you're basically soloing asterius without getting speared like normal
latent badger
How does asterius change?
azure bone
like all his attacks get double reach and damage
last nacelle
If you completely avoid the edges, Asterius can cover the entire walkable area in his attacks.
gray plover
but yeah asterius does a spin that covers a lot of area and lasts a few seconds
his charge seemed faster
turbid needle
Spin Attack is the stuff of nightmares.
He gets a super fast dash at the outset of his charge.
latent badger
yikes. Does the upgrade affect his mid elysium fight too?
turbid needle
Yup.
last nacelle
Yes, but Middle Management doesn't affect that fight.
gray plover
but it can't keep up with theseus
latent badger
that seems fair
gray plover
idk how you would melee theseus in that fight
azure bone
He stops after a lap or two and stands still to shoot
gray plover
not for long though
last nacelle
If you have MM on but no EM 3, you effectively ignore MM for Elysium when you get Asterius. If you have no MM but do have EM 3, and you get Asterius, then you just got some free extra difficulty for no extra heat.
turbid needle
The moral of the story is that you are all weak and the Barge of Death is merely weeding you out.
gray plover
I feel like things get a lot harder at certain heat thresholds also. regardless of what you put on
boss fights I mean
turbid needle
I turn off the Barge sometimes, it's not worth it with some builds.
gray plover
they must hit harder/have more hp even if you don't give them the hp/damage buff
I noticed it at 10+
turbid needle
I don't know if I've ever seen that.
gray plover
maybe I just sucked those runs
last nacelle
DeGrand says that you shouldn't mix Middle Management with Forced Overtime, but I think the last patch changed Middle Management so that doesn't apply as much anymore.
mild crag
mixing anything with forced overtime is a recipe for pain
last nacelle
Oh right, you no longer get double mega skull crusher in Asphodel.
mild crag
the teleporting and the shockwave is still a nightmare with overtime
turbid needle
Forced Overtime right now is a problem with the shockwave and its massive hitbox.
last nacelle
Yeah, but in the superstar update, many mid boss fights would just blanket the entire terrain in damage if you had FO 5.
gray plover
lol
grand smelt
I looked at Forced Overtime and thought "this is probably how the game is meant to be played." Middle Management and Extreme Measures also fall into the "takes specific design to make this stuff." To hear that they don't work together all that well is funny.
turbid needle
I'm okay with seeing EM and MM as "the way the game is meant to be played," but not FO.
mild crag
for furies and heroes it seems EM is really a natural progression
last nacelle
But FO 5 is something you kind of want to go for because you learn bad habits by not using it.
turbid needle
Hard disagree.
last nacelle
Many enemies can hit you in the slow parts of your attacks during FO 5, but not otherwise.
mild crag
bad habits like ever attempting to use the spear's spin attack?
last nacelle
LMAO
azure bone
I feel like if FO5 was what it was 'supposed' to be, it'd be the default
mild crag
FO 5 isn't really the base experience since it makes some weapons etc completely unusable
grand smelt
Why would it be the base difficulty, the base difficulty's supposed to be accessible.
gray plover
what's unusable?
mild crag
spear spin attack
last nacelle
In difficulty balancing, you are suppose to balance around the highest difficulty, because it ensures that the game is always playable.
mild crag
gray plover
I don't even use that
gray plover
I use bow and was fine with it
azure bone
Also just because you don't use something doesn't mean it isn't viable
mild crag
make stygius a pain too since you need to dodge sooner
turbid needle
Modifiable difficulty adjusters like this mean you can overtune the top options.
gray plover
don't need to dodge if you chop an enemy in half in one hit 🤔
turbid needle
~Nemesis~
mild crag
sponsored by nemesis worldsplitter crew
gray plover
the flurry hit got me my 17 minute run
azure bone
I like one hitting entire rooms
gray plover
chop is nice if you get enough stuff to buff it
azure bone
this message brought to you by the spear spin gang
autumn tapir
I love flurry blade, can't stand world splitter
Spear gang best gang though
turbid needle
Oh yeah, spawning into Quick Spin and getting Deadly Strike shortly afterwards mean you blow up rooms very quickly.
last nacelle
Which pact options are most often excluded when doing 32 heat runs? DeGrand has points in everything except Calisthenics Program IIRC. That makes sense to me, but do some people skip out on a different option?
azure bone
spear spin + 125% damage/range upgrade + aspect with the throw+damage buff
throw spear, dash to it, charge spin while enemies are spawning, one hit kills everything
bonus if you get Poseidon buff on it and it slams everything that survives into a wall
gray plover
faster spin 
mild crag
i always skip out on damage control
azure bone
I'd go with faster spin if using punishment
crimson geyser
spear spin is harder to use even at normal speed
crimson geyser
hard* to use
last nacelle
Damage control doesn't even make the game that much harder, it is just super quality of life decrease.
final fox
it depends on the weapon
non-chiron bow probably hates damage control
nimble vine
big spins with 8-900 damage crits that gives a dmg amplify for next spin is juicy too
final fox
but chaos shield doesn't even notice
last nacelle
Granted, it does impact Spin Attack and the rail's special a lot.
turbid needle
I don't consider DeGrand a major authority on this game.
Getting a perfect run is more important.
turbid needle
No Choice and (sell boons between biomes) are the only Pact options you really need to avoid.
final fox
also anything beyond a single point of budget cuts
turbid needle
Honestly, I'd skip Budget Cuts, too.
final fox
even then, the single point of heat isn't worth it
gray plover
cut budget cuts
turbid needle
You're robbing yourself all those rerolls for one point.
mild crag
imagine not using budget cuts
turbid needle
If the first level was more, there'd be an argument.
mild crag
this post made by the hell gang
gray plover
lol
final fox
first level of budget cuts needs to be like 5 heat
mild crag
im down since i use it anyway lol
gray plover
I think the first level is fine being 1, it's not exactly noticeable
nimble vine
Mjeh, Only did it once for the quest
mild crag
idk
turbid needle
You don't have a maxed mirror, do you?
gray plover
I have 3 rerolls
nimble vine
At least you can get all the here-and-now benefits with 2500 budget cut. What you lose is boon rarity mostly
gray plover
yeah idk if boon rarity matters that much. Like sure it's better but sometimes it's enough just having the boon
nimble vine
Well if we are talking maxed mirror vs no rarity increase at all, it does make quite a difference
its a lot of poms
turbid needle
There are pretty big value gaps between Common and Epic, not even including Heroic.
mild crag
unless its some "who cares" boon like athena dash
nimble vine
btw is duo combo a RNG based on rarity?
turbid needle
Yeah, there are some that absolutely do not rely on rarity.
But you see way bigger returns with others if you can even get them Rare.
nimble vine
The pick-up ammo zeus artemis combo seems to be there easily. But electric Fog seems not, same with hunting blades combo
understandable tho, they are crazy duos
pretty much "you just won the game" combos
mild crag
i swer dashes have fewer iframes every time i play
turbid needle
new years resolution : no more iframes
mild crag
sad but true
turbid needle
here's hoping it doesn't come to pass, i'm too bad at vidya to deal with that
mild crag
common heartbreak strike > rare divine strike > epic heartbreak strike
well that's one way to get it i guess lol
mild crag
i just hope i get another boon before i get to customs
turbid needle
i didn't pay attention when i first tried it, are there multiple levels to customs or just the one?
mild crag
just one
turbid needle
fair enough, it can already be pretty rough as is
turbid needle
good run
mild crag
gg wp
turbid needle
wrong server
oak owl
grand smelt
Unless it's near the end of Asphodel hammer will probably show up later
turbid needle
Unless a trial will kill you or it's really just two gods you don't need they're almost always the best choice.
vestal umbra
So can someone tell me what the symbols on hearts in the codex mean that show I can't give a character more nectar? Thanatos has a keyhole and Orpheus has what looks like a timer?
wooden spade
Timer means no more nectar
Keyhole means you need to see some more story stuff first
cosmic dawn
Timer specifically means that the rest of their nectar events haven't been implemented yet
(I'm pretty sure)
grand smelt
Timer means that there are more underworld renovations to be done
Don't ask why the olympians are getting underworld renovations
vestal umbra
Ahhh
frosty sinew
Kinda mad I lost to hades cause of his move reaching longer then it should :/ I was about to beat it on run 4 in hell mode and was pretty liking the way it was going
stuck bough
I hate the skulls
frosty sinew
wait are you the same corgi that comes to pans streams?
pastel jolt
so i started a new save, just for giggles
i got normal attack from athena in room 1, epic brilliant riposte in room 3, and now i'm getting her legendary in room 6
??????
frozen panther
Well you only need brilliant riposte to get her legendary
plus good RNG cuz Athena's legendary rarely drops xd
pastel jolt
yeah but six chambers in to a brand new save, though
frozen panther
RNGesus
pastel jolt
and brilliant riposte is +196% damage on deflected attacks
the meg fight boiled down to "wait for her to do the purple bullet hell attack, deflect a few, oops she died"
damnit, lost to a room of witches in late asphodel
umbral cloud
rest in peace
pastel jolt
ooh, i got a +10% move speed bonus out of bouldy
last nacelle
What is the default multiplier on deflected attacks?
slow smelt
A projectile hit with a Deflecting ability will be sent back towards the enemy who cast it, and deals a portion of the enemy's health instead of its base damage. A well timed Deflecting ability can also negate a melee attack, dealing damage to the attacker instead.
(Note: Portion of damage not known. It doesn't appear to be eight times the base damage at least in every case. Needs verifying.)
it's in the wiki
not sure if this is updated
btw, what aspect do you guys found more useful for spear?
last nacelle
I don't even remember what Zagreus aspect does. Was it bonus attack range or something?
slow smelt
i used hades for a long time, but it's kinda bad without quick spin upgrade
azure bone
The dash to spear one is by far my favorite
zagreus makes the throw faster and have faster recovery
slow smelt
zagreus adds more special speed and range, yeah
azure bone
Its really meh compared to other two
last nacelle
But it doesn't take a toll on your nerves to play like the other two.
azure bone
the dash to spear one doesn't require anything difficult
if you throw it and dont want to dash, just attack instead
it'll come back to you anyways
slow smelt
i did a run with achilles aspect, found it quite lackluster, idk
maybe because it's lvl 2
last nacelle
There are only a few aspects that don't feel crappy unless fully juiced.
slow smelt
used athena in special and the crit upgrade
it's okay if hits, but my run was saved by flurry jab upgrade, lol
last nacelle
Flurry Jab: Your aspect no longer matters.
slow smelt
hahah, for sure
i've been theorycrafting flurry jab + exploding launcher with zagreus aspect
seems decent, even with only one of these
frozen panther
Spear aspects i'd recommend achilles
If you're doing a cast run, Achilles aspect really amps up the damage
you kinda of need it maxed to really feel that its useful tho
so.... get ready with 15 blood
azure bone
I forgot which is which
frozen panther
Pretty much all 2nd aspects need to be maxed before you really like their effect on all the weapons
azure bone
achilles spear is the 'dash to' spear right?
frozen panther
yeah
azure bone
Because I don't have it maxed and it feels great
The fact you can dash to it means you can get out of so many sticky situations with ease
the damage buff is a bonus
also syncs REALLY well with spin attack builds
frozen panther
Zag aspect adds range and speed to your special
Achilles you throw your spear and can dash to it then your next 2 attacks/casts deal more damage
Hades is just like the spin attack but it marks them so you do more damage against them
azure bone
Eh achilles is better for spins since you can position yourself better with it
frozen panther
Achilles is best with cast builds
azure bone
- it syncs really well with Poseidon stuff to make sure you knock them into walls.
frozen panther
other than that, its very underwhelming
slow smelt
got it
azure bone
Honestly everything is a cast build
cast builds are broken without even the aspect taken into consideration
slow smelt
probably I didn't liked very much because i tried a special build with achilles, lol
there's any way to do a special build with spear, tho?
frozen panther
with the upgrade that makes the special blow up, sure
but yeah the spear feels kinda meh aside from that
slow smelt
the upgrades suggests so, but the aspects doesn't very much
maybe i will stick with zagreus aspect, then
azure bone
spin + poseidan is very fun and effective
frozen panther
yeah aspects dont always have to be the deciding factor so its ok
azure bone
but gotta get a bit lucky and get either of the spin upgrades on the hammer or you'll struggle
frozen panther
but if you're doing an explosive spear special run, zag aspect works best
slow smelt
I did a lot of runs with hades and spin upgrades, the problem is the same
you need to get lucky with hammer
frozen panther
well RNG is part of the game xD
azure bone
Eh, even without hammer spear is pretty nice
The big weakness I find it has is you struggle against projectiles until you get some form of athena buff
But it can really compliment like any build. Dash attacks on it are insane given the reach/range they have.
slow smelt
true
pastel jolt
i have such a good build right now
poseidon sword with artemis cast, totalling 300 damage regular hits and 900 crits
pastel jolt
with quick reload, 228-damage exit wounds, hermes legendary, and +50% move speed
azure bone
https://streamable.com/meoss spear spin build there. I lost all my lives to upgraded murderrer since I had to fight her with a chaos boon that gave -60% movement with no athena buffs x.x. Vid has stuff from final act but no spoilers.
slow smelt
didn't really use poseidon sword yet, but seems to be very easy to build around
pastel jolt
if i lose i am going to be real mad
slow smelt
hahah
azure bone
Also poseidon + artemis is quite literally the only thing in this game I feel needs a nerf. Everytime I ran it I easily cleared extremely fast
I nearly instantly killed last boss with the legendary extra casts + 100% cast speed + exit wounds on epic + doublecast
slow smelt
i found the final boss a piece of cake overall
even with higher heat
styx non-mid boss rooms are much more difficult, lol
azure bone
Really?
Styx is like the easiest place in existance for me
it has nothing on elysium shield guys
pastel jolt
i really, realy, REALLY hate his spear swipe
there's no dodging it unless you're already near the edge or have extra dashes from hermes
slow smelt
i mean, the treasure rooms in styx are kinda hard in non-mid boss patches
honest raven
Elysium is the worst floor for me, because of the shields. Theseus for the same reason and final boss just because... I suck, I guess? Are the worst bosses
azure bone
Also last boss really sucks if you don't have either extra dashes or a move speed buff or athena dash. Because you pretty much cant avoid his swing
slow smelt
well, i play more with bow and rail than melee weapons, so i don't struggle that much
azure bone
extreame measures minotaur is hardest fight for me. Theseus honestly gets even easier himself.
Yea styx sucked for me with a bow
honest raven
My problem with theseus is that he just seems to always be facing you, even if you dash to 180 degrees from his previous facing by going through him
azure bone
For me its the shield guys, not the fact they block
but their no-tell super fast melee swings with a huge aoe
split fiber
Ew I hate them
azure bone
theseus does the same thing
azure bone
Yea greater ares call is like athena's call, but better.
slow smelt
yeah
pastel jolt
he was at like a quarter health on the second phase and i panicked, pumped all three casts into him, and then just. camped him
azure bone
the only way athena's call is better is if you have insane DPS and being able to sit there attacking would do signifigantly more damage
pastel jolt
by the time it dropped he was low enough that i'd gotten my casts back and could immediately pop them again
slow smelt
never forget a run I did with shotgun crit
I think the final boss died in like, 20 hits, lol
azure bone
shotgun poseidan is hilarious if you get double-knockback
because the mobs get knocked back like 10 times, but on a delay. And if you have wateryblast they will literally ping-pong around the room being chain knocked back
slow smelt
huh, I have to try it someday
azure bone
I wish the last boss was affected by poseidan. It's dumb how every boss can be knocked back but him
So every run I do a poseidan build is me wrecking the entire game, then I hit last boss and it takes half a year cause nothing I have helps
If his skull projectils could be knocked back I could maybe get some use from those via watery blast
but you really get 0 benefit from anything poseidan gives vs final boss in the last phase
pastel jolt
lies on the floor and weeps gently
azure bone
woah yea, thats a lot of clears for no pacts to get extra loot D:
I hiiiiiiiiiighly recommend turning on the buffed bosses one. it adds extra story
slow smelt
yep
some pacts aren't bad, tho
the blue heart one is easy to deal with every weapon that isn't the bow
tight deadline is kinda easy as well
pastel jolt
yes
it used to end in asphodel, then elysium was added and that was the endpoint
now we have styx
slow smelt
huh, i had no idea
pastel jolt
kids these days
whippersnappers the lot of you!!
but yeah, when the Big Bad Update came out, it reset the heat counter and the timers on existing saves, but not the number of total clears
karmic coyote
Whomst is this shield hater, we must eliminate them
unkempt pagoda
shield is boring, fite me
karmic coyote
Then you have chosen death
granite vine
will my relationships be reset upon update too?
pastel jolt
no
granite vine
I'd hate to have to farm nectars and ambrosias all over again
fading sandal
aww, i wanted to see the hades fight
fading sandal
shame
crisp matrix
I popped Athena's Call and held down square
fading sandal
i first thought athena's call was weak
then i realized the pompoms added more time
i still think it need at least one pompom to be good though
crisp matrix
forgot what I had it on but max gauge lasted long enough for me
acoustic ether
it's great if you have a high-dps build
if you don't, ares just seems strictly better to me (also if you get ares call + his legendary boon its basically a free win)
crisp matrix
I had a similar AR run, popped Athena and dropped Hades to half health
acoustic ether
yeah. man. my first theseus fight and the first time i killed hades were some real rushes
i've done it enough now where i don't feel that anymore but I hadn't had that sort of experience in a game in a while
fading sandal
hmm
heady zephyr
how do you unlock the hard mode theseus fight?
acoustic ether
probably the contract option to give bosses new abilities?
heady zephyr
oh, right. i haven't tried that past the furies
what does it do for the hydra, by the way?
fading sandal
different stage and attacks
heady zephyr
interesting. sounds a lot more involved than i assumed it would be. thanks
acoustic ether
i'm just about at the point where putting two points into that one makes sense
fading sandal
i don't wanna face extreme theseus...
acoustic ether
i always pick whatever weapon gives bonus darkness even though i really don't need darkness anymore
i died WAYYY more to the normal hydra than i did to theseus, i honestly think that fight is a little under-tuned
fading sandal
what??/
heady zephyr
hydra is honestly pretty easy to me. i have a harder time with some fury variants than it
fading sandal
theseus was my bottleneck
acoustic ether
must just be different playstyles
acoustic ether
i've only died to theseus once, and it was well after the first time i killed him
fading sandal
tbh, just mino himself was a bottleneck
acoustic ether
the first time i fought him was close but i beat them. yeah you probably just need to never stop moving
heady zephyr
each individual head's attack is very highly telegraphed, so i don't have a huge issue with it. i die to theseus when i have a bad run or setup but usually i can beat them
one thing with theseus is that ranged builds are a little too good compared to others against him imo
fading sandal
i have problems when 2 summoner hydras spawn in the opposite side
acoustic ether
mino will have 75% health if you fight him earlier on
fading sandal
and the skellys just stack
acoustic ether
the trick to theseus is to just kite the bull around the room and kill him, then stay far enough away from theseus that he only does the ranged attack. he always walks away from you after he throws it, giving you enough time to get in and whack him a fair amount
fading sandal
i just panic when mino starts doing the combos tbh
acoustic ether
that's how i do it, at least. and it seems quite easy. i might bump up the heat beyond what i need to to see what he does with the new abilities
dodge away twice, and towards him afterwards when he combos
he'll jump right over you
heady zephyr
like i said, ranged builds are extremely good against both theseus and asterius. if i was running something close ranged like a combo sword build, it's a real challenge
but with the bow, or a throwing shield/spear build, or a good gun build, it's pretty easy to kite asterius and duck behind pillars to dodge theseus' spear
heady zephyr
bow is just the best boss weapon in general imo
fading sandal
and i have time to dash
acoustic ether
everything is easier with ranged honestly, but the damage for the sword is so high that you don't have to be on point for as long
fading sandal
yeah, i like facetanking hades with a good sword build
acoustic ether
anyway the first two swipes from asterius will aim towards you, but for the leap he'll always land exactly where you were when he took off
so just flip a 180 and dodge the other direction and you can wail on him
acoustic ether
the only real challege is making sure you can track where theseus is so you can line-of-sight his spear tosses
also don't hit theseus too much because getting him to 50% and in god-power-mode before the mino is dead can be rough depending on which god he gets
fading sandal
yeah no, i just run away from theseus
acoustic ether
i killed him first one time as an experiment and man yeah def not recommended
fading sandal
lol
acoustic ether
i bet that the extreme mode has something to do with the god powers. maybe htey're on from the start, maybe he mixes em up who knows
heady zephyr
it's a bit more
acoustic ether
that's good
i think hades is too big a step above him in normal mode. like hydra ---- theseus ------------------- hades when it should be like hydra ----- theseus ------- hades
weird visualization but whatever i think it makes sense
fading sandal
hmm
acoustic ether
hades is becoming a really fun fight though. managed to do it without any death defiants tonight. can't wait to get my ass kicked big time at high heat though
fading sandal
extreme measures only goes to theseus for now
heady zephyr
ah ok
crisp iris
Sysyphus just does not show up for me, anyone having a similar iisue?
I believe I already did the renovation considering it shows up early right?
gray lintel
ranged builds are good against shield boss cause like... most of them have some way to penetrate shields lol
bow has natural pierce on attack, gun has an upgrade for piercing, spears hit the back on the return
and I think the shield has some shield piercing properties?
fading sandal
i farmed 30 tartarus only runs to get sisy's plushie
it will happen if you do it enough
gray lintel
it would be kind of nice to set something to only run to X :x
gray lintel
it would be funny if there's dialog for repeatedly dying in lava
for exactly the reason of farming tartarus
crisp iris
but I genuinely hhave done the run more than 10 times
and I literally could not see sysyohus
he;s straight up not shing up
honest raven
I have done more than a dozen runs tonight, and saw Sisyphus on a good number of them
crisp iris
your anecdote is not the same as mine
honest raven
Dunno if I ever re-rolled into him, but I was getting good RNG all night, pretty rare for me to need a reroll
crisp iris
this has been going on for last 3 days
honest raven
Anecdotal evidence is all we have outside of the code. We made a similar number of runs, in a different amount of time
Seems reasonable to compare
crisp iris
which is again why I am trying to see if I;m just giga unluickt from the officials
mild crag
Sounds like you're giga unluck
fading sandal
naah, at the start of the new patch
mild crag
Pretty sure you can't reroll into sysiphus either
hot edge
man the builds for adamant rail are hilariously unbalanced
did three special builds in a row that were basically snoozefests
tried to do an attack build to shake things up
gray lintel
a lot of builds can kinda be snoozefests
hot edge
didnt even make it past theseus
gray lintel
attack builds are annoying cause reload :c
hot edge
either special needs to be nerfed or attack needs to be buffed
last nacelle
You use both so why does the discrepancy matter?
Unlike most weapons, where using one kind of stops you from using the other.
hot edge
because if you see a hammer upgrade for the special you auto pick it
its like adamant rail doesnt even have an attack upgrade
last nacelle
Rail special has a cooldown and the attack is very fast, so you don't lose special usage time by attacking.
hot edge
kinda boring imo
ehh its much safer to just launch your rocket(s) and spend most of the time dodging
you miss a very small amount of dps, maybe 1 attack every so often just to proc a weak or something
gray lintel
gun attacks are kinda proc based tbh
clever adder
does cosmic egg affect the chance for a chaos portal to appear, or just make it better to enter?
last nacelle
No, it does not have any protections against it scamming you.
clever adder
the in-game description says the latter, but it seems to me like i get gates more often with the egg, and i wonder if i'm just imagining it
last nacelle
You can easily start with the egg and get 0 portals in Tartarus. I have seen it happen several times.
plush garnet
Does anyone actually use the sword special?
hot edge
yeah I do actually sometimes
last nacelle
It used to be better, but yes.
crisp iris
never mind I just got GIGA RNGd
hot edge
big range good for clearing out lots of enemies
plush garnet
I only ever use it when I get pigeonholed into using special related boons
turbid needle
you have to dash with it to lower the wind up time if you want it to be useful in any way
turbid needle
and then dash out to remove the latency after the smash
hot edge
oh yeah I'm always dashing like a madman
last nacelle
I have thought it would be interesting if Chaos gates always spawned before god boon rooms.
turbid needle
that'd make them so much worse tho
plush garnet
why tho
turbid needle
don't post it in feedback i stg
plush garnet
for the chaos? lol
turbid needle
@plush garnet to accentuate the risk/reward mechanic
last nacelle
It ties into something Chaos says, about gods forcing you to take their blessings while Chaos offers a choice.
Though that would kind of stop being true if this change was in.
plush garnet
wait yes
gray lintel
sword special is good for applying some status effects like doom
like a lot of specials tbh
usually at least on my runs I use either attacks or specials as my primary attack, then use some kind of utility effects on the one I don't use
dash tends to almost always be utility(unless I'm trying to make a blade rift build work)
vestal umbra
Am I the only one who finds the bow a bit of a pain to use?
last nacelle
No, it's meant to be a pain in compensation for the ranged attack allowing you to escape the pain that melee users are subjected to.
hot edge
some of the hammer upgrades make bow very nice but yeah default bow is definitely annoying
vestal umbra
It's the only weapon I haven't even been able to make it past Elysium with.
finite grail
It takes some getting used to positioning/timing, but personally it’s my fave
hot edge
I've escaped with attack and special builds so it is fairly balanced
limpid tapir
Hera bow is dope.
crisp matrix
my first clear was with Coronacht, Hera aspect just load Tipsy Shot from Dionysus
limpid tapir
A lot of people either adore Chiron or Hera bow; both are really good when applied well
My second ever clear (first was triple bomb Rail) was Athena everything on Hera bow
finite grail
I remember the very OP Chiron 😔
vestal umbra
My first clear was the the spear.
hot edge
I assume Chiron is alright once you sink a lot of blood into it
I find it underwhelming at the 4(?) arrows mine currently shoots
limpid tapir
Chiron and Chaos have the same problem.
Both need to get maxed out to be useful. 3 arrows becomes 7, and 1 shield turns into 5
Throwing that many shields at a time makes tagging Doom so much better, same with Zeus flat damage. Chiron gets two arrows less than default special, but the homing more than makes up for it
crisp matrix
and they take a lot of blood I guess
limpid tapir
I've heard good things about Dio on Chiron
crisp matrix
Exagryph takes like 5 blood to max Zag's aspect
limpid tapir
The issue is that both weapons are reliant on putting out more attacks per upgrade, rather than simply revamping how you play like Hera bow
My safest runs are maxed Chaos shield, nowadays.
heady zephyr
zeus shield is also nasty with special boons
finite grail
yeah, if you can get poison special boon it’s alright but not as broken as you’d think
heady zephyr
especially doom, even if you only use it to tag
limpid tapir
Bull Rush through a crowd, throw 5 shields, repeat until everything is dead.
last nacelle
Zeus shield nasty with zeus boons.
finite grail
Unless you’ve upgraded it
vestal umbra
Well with how bad the bow feels for me to use I guess I haven't felt like putting blood in it
heady zephyr
zeus boons too, yeah
hot edge
if you want to learn to love the bow put your blood into hera first
heady zephyr
question about the caster bow aspect, does the arrow itself inherit the properties of your cast? so, would an athena cast loaded into the bow deflect before contacting an enemy?
hot edge
you get to maximize both attack and cast boons
last nacelle
Hera is kind of a weird aspect though.
wind vale
hera works just fine at lvl1
hot edge
thats true
limpid tapir
Zeus is great because he operates on flat damage increases rather than percentile ones like everyone else, so attacks with naturally low base damage like rail attack, bow special, shield special, all can get increases of 150% or 200% damage relative to the flat damage
hot edge
maybe save your blood while just using lv1 hera
wind vale
since leveling does nothing for her best cast - dionysus
limpid tapir
Yeah. Hera on Dio cast, for example, doesn't care about bow level
heady zephyr
the thing about hera bow is that you can load multiple casts into one arrow, which gets pretty nasty
limpid tapir
Hera bow's main draw (heh) is that it's all action economy improvement.
heady zephyr
need the right cast though, the only run i did with it was aphro cast which isn't ideal
finite grail
Hera + aphro cast is so good, struggle with Hera + ares cast though
limpid tapir
You compact the damage output of all your casts and their animation time into a single attack.
heady zephyr
really? i didn't care for aphro cast
limpid tapir
That's what makes it so good, you can output enormous burst
heady zephyr
wanted something with more reliable AoE imo
vestal umbra
Hmm
limpid tapir
I adore Aphro and Athena cast on Hera
hot edge
fully loaded from artemis is hard to get but I pushed an entire phase on the final boss with one shot
heady zephyr
dio cast would be pretty sick on hera bow i bet
limpid tapir
Aphro lets you line up shots and kill entire rooms at once if you clump them up, Athena is just safe
Dio cast has super high base damage on Hera bow, yo.
Don't underestimate it.
wind vale
aphro cast is too buggy still but should be a good option on hera bow otherwise
heady zephyr
not all enemies are easy to line up is my issue with aphro cast
finite grail
lmao I don’t think I’ve ever gotten dio cast in Hera but it sounds dope
didn’t even think about it
heady zephyr
dio, zeus, ares, all would be pretty nasty on hera bow i imagine
hot edge
I think festive fog is balanced around being somewhat harder to hit than a regular cast
since there's a lot of jumpy enemies
heady zephyr
yep and ares cast is balanced around being slower and low range compared to other casts
wind vale
dio#1 ares and aphro#2 the rest seems better in another cast weapon
heady zephyr
what other caster weapons are there though?
last nacelle
It's balanced around no dislodge because you can't just blow somebody away, pick up the stones, then repeat.
hot edge
poseidon sword is really good at killing bosses
finite grail
and if you’re lucky to get recall from Hermes it’s like WOW
hot edge
with artemis cast
limpid tapir
^^^
wind vale
poseidon for everything that sticks(especially with dislodge damage)
wind vale
achilles for fewer huge damage casts
finite grail
short duration cast one too
wind vale
eris should work fine as well
limpid tapir
I was smashing Hades in the face with 250 damage casts x 7, then inflict 120 x 7 Exit Wound procs
It was an utter slaughter.
hot edge
yeah the hermes boon to reduce cast time is so so nice with poseidon sword
heady zephyr
ah, right, damage boosts apply to casts as well
limpid tapir
He got sent into the next phase every... three attacks?
heady zephyr
well if you get a cast that can crit nemesis sword would work with it as well, no?
hot edge
I really hope this game gets something like The Heart in Slay the Spire
limpid tapir
What is? Never got far into StS
wind vale
nemesis only makes the normal attack crit, sadly
hot edge
just like an optional endgame boss that you can only beat if you're doing really crazy stuff
hot edge
the heart in StS shows up if you do 3 optional tasks and then beat the game
its really really tough
wind vale
i mean technically you could say the shield is also good for casts since you can cast and then defend
last nacelle
Reaching the heart counts as a win on the records in StS. I am told that a lot of people refuse to acknowledge this.
hot edge
yeah you unlock new ascensions as soon as you beat the act 3 boss
other than score and achievements the game doesnt really recognize act 4
last nacelle
The real final boss was the friends we made along the way.
hot edge
yeah basically
so something like that would fit in hades I think
because there are some runs where I just mop the floor with hades
and others where its still kinda close
last nacelle
Zagreus has to give up on all of the carefully forged connections he made. He must defeat the god of friendship.
last nacelle
We already have an act 4.
hot edge
oh right
last nacelle
And it is earth, technically.
hot edge
5 and 6
last nacelle
Act 5 is a fight against the deadly fungus.
hot edge
that cursed banana peel
wind vale
act 7 is norse then?
last nacelle
Deadly fungus riding in a chariot that shoots cold air.
fading sandal
act 7 is in the titan's cages
heady zephyr
what's left on the roadmap anyway? just more npcs and story stuff at this point, right?
clever adder
fwiw i don't like the heart in StS. optional extra-hard endgame is cool, but i don't like how they did it
limpid tapir
New weapon, too
heady zephyr
oh, right
limpid tapir
There's a glaring empty spot 😛
last nacelle
Heart is not designed to be balanced.
fading sandal
new olympian too
heady zephyr
i hope it's something like the flamethrower from bastion
hot edge
heart makes sure that your deck scales quickly while also being balanced for defense
wind vale
would be funny if it stayed empty - unarmed 6th weapon 🙂
heady zephyr
that's the only archetype that's not represented in some capacity or the other
last nacelle
I watched somebody get a perfect on the heart with a claw deck.
hot edge
claw is the law
clever adder
my problem with the heart isn't that it's imbalanced, but that it's predictable. everything else is about building a generally good all-round deck that can handle most things, and you don't know what bosses you'll have to deal with
but if you know the "real" hard part is the heart, you are always skewing your deck towards that one thing
hot edge
I feel like the heart punishes all decks equally, but I see what you're saying
from a narrative the boss has to be a heart, but it could have different attack patterns or buffs
clever adder
like, would you take 4 piercing wails if the heart was only one of 3 possible post-endgames?
last nacelle
Heart has three separate immunities to combo decks.
clever adder
maybe you would, i guess
hot edge
anyway yeah the point is I'd appreciate some kind of super boss after hades
idk what it would be that would make sense for the flavor of the game though
last nacelle
There are already hints of one in the game.
hot edge
some sort of titan that threatens persephone?
heady zephyr
@last nacelle what do you mean?
last nacelle
The Deadly Freezing Fungus Chariot is alluded to in several end monologues.
hot edge
lmao
maybe this is something that could just be done by the pact
there is an empty fourth slot for the boss amp pact
could just be a third phase of hades
I'd say you'd have to also fight cerberus but I dont think the game would make us fight our best friend
even though he is already modeled and everything
heady zephyr
yeah, a hades/cerberus tag team would be cool but there's already a duo boss and i don't think they'll add cerberus as a boss
not after the bait and switch the game already pulls at least lol
last nacelle
My best friend is boredom and the game already makes you fight it.
heady zephyr
one thing i will say is that the game seems pretty ambiguous about the level of technology on the surface
achilles says humans haven't invented guns yet but there are like, crankshafts and stainless steel grills in the temple of styx
last nacelle
No it's not. The rail is called future technology in a dialogue by somebody.
fading sandal
i mean, daedalus could have just made those
he's probably bored out of his mind in hell
heady zephyr
achilles has been stuck in the house for however long, remember
hot edge
I thought ares used the rail to kill some titans
last nacelle
It is said that humans on the surface have not yet constructed weapons like the rail.
hot edge
like a bajillion years ago
either way given how pompous the gods are I doubt they're basing their designs off mortal crafts
could you imagine!
last nacelle
There is some Platonism involved where the form of all weapons are first conceived in heaven, then passed down to mortals by the god of madness or something.
last nacelle
Okay so, any weapon touched by Eris will eventually find itself in mortal hands.
limpid tapir
"Sisyphus!"
"Ahoy Lord Hades sir!"
"Was that a boulder from the blasted sky?"
Yes, yes it was, Hades.
last nacelle
Sisyphus's stando, Rolling Stones
limpid tapir
^^^
last nacelle
That's already a real stand though. It predicts your death, then it kills you.
limpid tapir
lmao XD
"You gon die." kills you
Trying to get my Rail to catch up to the others' heat levels
And Sisyphus is why no DD ever got popped.
Dropping a care package of money (yay), 80 health, and 12 darkness is real nice.
last nacelle
You could say it's a snack stand.
hot edge
sisyphus is just so wholesome
limpid tapir
Meg might murder things, Skelly tanks, but Sisyphus is just overall fantastic
hot edge
meg threatens him with some serious torture if he helps you
limpid tapir
Both for being such a Nice Guy ™️ and also providing such strong utility in his call
hot edge
then you walk up 10 seconds later and he doesnt even hesitate before throwing you a candy bar
limpid tapir
I didn't even save that dialogue, smh
But it was a thousand lashes if Bouldy wasn't up there instead of down here, and a thousand more for... something else
That and the coin purse seriously help with getting the endgame titan blood or diamond purchase
I keep saying this, but he provides about 60 to 100 gold per use, and he's got 5 uses. Purse is 200. So...
Assuming he averages at about 80, that's still 600 gold + Deep Pockets to enjoy over the course of a run
wind vale
if i really want that item from the final shop its chaos financing it
fading sandal
or poseidon boon
limpid tapir
And that's not even assuming his health drop saves you a 200 cash DD refill, he's saved me from extreme Hydra way too many times now
wind vale
i jump into each gate i see anyways - just gold once and its enough
stray frigate
i think it may be good to have a lot of 0 heat run just for buyin last item
limpid tapir
I once had a run of +70% more money with that setup. I left Asphodel with 1.2k.
Yeah, I've considered 0 heat speed runs too for that same reason
last nacelle
Chaos wants you to feel scammed and blessed every time you visit them.
wind vale
too many good options
limpid tapir
As long as you reach Styx with about 1k to 1.2k, you'll guarantee the titan blood purchase between the gold you earn from the damn satyrs
last nacelle
You know what would be awful, but hilarious?
Cosmic Egg removes the choice from chaos boons. You just get ALL OF THEM.
wind vale
hmm - it could also disable the normal exits if there is a gate?
limpid tapir
Imagine if he did something like 'you get less max HP total, move 50% slower, and traps deal +397% damage to you', have fun!
last nacelle
Worse is if you get banes on all three attack types.
hot edge
hope you have a dash that deals damage!
limpid tapir
Time to dash attack. Assuming you got a dash- yes.
hot edge
and a lot of patience
wind vale
dash attack into call playstyle
limpid tapir
The legend
limpid tapir
Right?!
I'm collecting gift dialogue. Slowly.
I just realized I can take pictures and create imgur albums with a copy pasta, so...
Yeah. Link in #h1-story-discussion if you're interested.
hot edge
👀
limpid tapir
You know that feeling when...
You start a long-term project and you keep finding ways to reiterate and improve on it midway through, so you implement the changes then? I'm getting that feeling right now, and I sorely wish I'd known this'd be so much more efficient XD
Because I used to do dictation, see the exchange, type it out.
I didn't realize you can just printscreen + ctrl V straight into Imgur without even saving the image to your PC. So I'm doing that now; expect some inconsistencies in the gdoc because of that revelation.
Some are text only, some have snippets of pics, some (the latest being Orpheus' 5th heart and Hypnos' 3rd) are actual imgur albums.
I'll be in #h1-story-discussion
hollow tide
Is the hera aspect good? I don't have much titan blood and don't want to spend it on the wrong thing.
neon ridge
oh boy 20 seconds Hades fight https://puu.sh/EVi28.png
stray frigate
wp
limpid tapir
Niiiicely done 😄