I've had runs where it was nothing but boons
#h1-builds-and-combat
limpid tapir
crimson geyser
hguh
frozen panther
RNGesus isnt so nice to u
limpid tapir
Yeah XD
crimson geyser
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fair enough
i've got 8 rerolls so i'll get me some boons in the chambers then
cosmic dawn
Do Ares boons that buff blade rifts also effect his call?
last nacelle
Yes
turbid needle
I just started playing this game and I ♥️ it 🙂
posted in my sub's weekly "what are we playing this week thread" 😛
empty summit
Is there a list of effects that bypass enemy shields?
frozen panther
Is it just me or is the aphro athena duo boon underwhelming?
turbid needle
It's not sexy, but it's super clutch on Heat.
karmic coyote
projectiles are slower? it's one of the best if not the best duo boon especially on high heat
frozen panther
How much heat are we talking?
last nacelle
It feels bad because of how inconsistent the utility of it is.
shy nexus
Because I hate spreaders so much, that boon is a godsend.
last nacelle
It also makes poison actually dodgeable.
shy nexus
Also makes high heat Barge of Death somewhat not a DD spender.
cosmic dawn
Spent Spirit also makes deflecting projectiles way easier
karmic coyote
15-20 heat or above
shy nexus
PSA:
I dislike high heat Barge of Death.
frozen panther
yeah im not even close to that
shy nexus
It's a nail biter.
last nacelle
18+ Heat is when the game starts getting very hard.
turbid needle
Better than Forced OT Dire Skullcrusher.
frozen panther
Barge of Death gives me more anxiety than my exams
and im doing an engineering major
shy nexus
Hades Phase 2 hitboxes are what nightmares are made of.
last nacelle
Just don't get hit.
frozen panther
4head
shy nexus
4Head
last nacelle
We need Hypnos 4Head
Because he says almost exactly the same thing.
And Meg gets angry at him when he says it to her.
shy nexus
"Oh! You got killed by.. Lord Hades, it seems! It's okay! You can't beat him anyway! But perhaps next time, try not to get hit?"
"Thank you Hypnos, very insightful."
"It's my job! ❤️"
frozen panther
Wait there's a dialogue where he says it was hades?
last nacelle
I like Hypnos asking Thanatos to save time by having all of the mortals die at the same time.
karmic coyote
Hypnos has been reading too much scp
grand patrol
ok but imagine if thanny walked in and said "okay, well, thats everybody"
terrifying
frozen panther
LOL
last nacelle
Going for the speedrun.
frozen panther
Just comes in one day and goes "Yeah we got a few more people in here now"
grand patrol
zag gets up there and its EMPTY
frozen panther
well i guess he might meet Persephone down there now 
turbid needle
Turn on location, Nova, I just wanna talk. 🔪
last nacelle
The plot twist will be Persephone coming back to the underworld when it becomes a nice place.
frozen panther
LOL
grand patrol
at the end of the game u finally open the locked doors in the house and persephone is there
shy nexus
The plot twist is that the real journey was the friends we made along the way.
frozen panther
imagine Persephone just casually walks in like she was gone for an hour
last nacelle
Although I can't imagine anybody considering the underworld a nice place until somebody fixes Asphodel.
shy nexus
"What I'd miss?"
last nacelle
What god is even charge of the rivers? Do we blame Chaos for Asphodel being drowned in fire?
shy nexus
"You've got to be kidding me, Mother."
"My you've grown, Zagreus!"
thin hull
funny thing is, I'm reading a webcomic where that's totally within character for those two
frozen panther
last nacelle
Hades is the only god who doesn't pull pranks like that.
last nacelle
Hades is a liar. He actually was going to let them go, but since they failed, he pretended the opposite.
frozen panther
inb4 eurydice dies from a snakebite. oh wait she already did
turbid needle
Orpheus was warned that if he looked back Eurydice would disappear.
last nacelle
Imagine if Orpheus could hear the narrator during that event.
thin hull
oh lordy
frozen panther
Why is this game so sad
thin hull
in the game's universe, I'm betting the narrator was taunting him the entire time
last nacelle
He just hears the disembodied voice saying "And so Orpheus, not trusting Hades, looked back, and saw Eurydice fade from sight." And he just looks back anyways after hearing that.
thin hull
because the "escaping from the Underworld" myths aren't very happy
thin hull
and tbf, the only reason that Hades is a bish is that ||persephone, whom he actually loved, left||
frozen panther
if it was all happy unicorn shiz
she had her reasons
now imagine if Persephone took zag with her and the game was in reverse
so now he's tryna find his real dad
HMMMMMMMMMMMM
thin hull
regardless, ||if she hadn't left, Hades would probably be much nicer||
frozen panther
probably
also now i just realized we should've moved this to #h1-story-discussion a while ago xd
frozen panther
🅱️ig 🅱️rain
hybrid frost
Ok, I'm seriously gettiing bummed. I've been playing steady since the Welcome to Hell build dropped and I still can't get Chaos's legendary boon to show up even having done nothing but specifically farm for it since before Christmas.
😫
last nacelle
Is it actually a legendary boon? Because it seems pretty mediocre for a legendary.
last nacelle
Defiance seems to be rarer than the others, and it also doesn't scale like the others.
Both of these qualities are akin to a legendary even though it's a meh effect.
frozen panther
ah
hybrid frost
All I know is I've never seen it, and I need it to complete the ||Fated Authority|| list.
And that it takes at least 2 previous Chaos boons to have a chance to drop.
thin hull
it's not that bad based on how often I've seen the "force chaos boon to drop" item show up
last nacelle
I wish the chaos egg and lights worked differently.
hybrid frost
Yeah, I buy the lights every chance I get and I even avoid non-combat rooms in order to have more chances for Chaos gates and Charon Wells to spawn, but still no dice.
I even run the egg untill Styx just in case the rarity boost helps.
And yes, I too wish the egg worked different.
last nacelle
The fact that the Cosmic Egg is the only keepsake that can scam you is a bother.
hybrid frost
Too true, lol.
frozen panther
how so?
last nacelle
It is the only keepsake that has a chance to do nothing at all across an underworld zone.
frozen panther
ah
thin hull
that's kinda fitting tho
thin hull
chaos isn't at your beck and call
frozen panther
exactly
last nacelle
Chaos isn't that kind of Chaos though.
thin hull
she'll show up when she wants to, thank you very much
last nacelle
Chaos is about choice, not randomness.
hybrid frost
Their
thin hull
yes yes
frozen panther
our
last nacelle
If Chaos always appeared before god boon rooms, that would fit too.
hybrid frost
Yours
last nacelle
Chaos would say that all of these are correct, but each one carries a unique consequence for using it.
hybrid frost
True.
last nacelle
Imagine stuff like that is why all of the other gods forgot about Chaos.
dire mason
A heads up: apache helicopter jokes are both very old and unfunny, and also not welcome here.
hybrid frost
Huh?
frozen panther
oh boy
dire mason
It's all good! Just please see rule one of our server. 👍
hybrid frost
I am unfamilliar.
frozen panther
Well I didnt mean any harm... the joke was that its kinda unfunny and old but yeah sure, wont do it again
dire mason
A very old joke about genders. No worries, thank you!
hybrid frost
Ok, never came across it before.
last nacelle
I have a question about Discord integration in Hades.
dire mason
We don't currently have any specific Discord integration (other than the button link on the start up menu) but please go for it!
last nacelle
Are there any plans to add more integration? Because there is roguelike I play where you can tell where somebody is in a run by clicking on their name.
I'm trying to think of what info would be important though, because Hades isn't a true roguelike.
So like, somebody could ask for help, and you could immediately see a summary of important details about their run.
dire mason
Oh interesting! I know that Discord has the "Now Playing" thing for games integrated in their system, but I'd never heard of it including more information. Can you tell me what game? We can look into it and see if it looks like something we'd be interested in. 😄
A "true" rogue-like has no permanent progression and is turn-based I believe? The genre's become pretty varied though, which I think makes sense. Big fans of the genre refer to games like Hades as "rogue-lite," because deaths restart the run but it's hack n slash combat with permanent progression options.
We can't accomplish "turn based" with our system, but if you don't use any of the upgrade options you could play a "traditional" rogue-like that way!
frozen panther
ah. I wouldn't know tbh I'm still fairly new to roguelikes. Only played Binding of Isaac, Dead Cells and now Hades
dire mason
I was too before I started working here! And I know a lot of Supergiant fans are new to it as well, you're in good company. 😄
frozen panther
I do love the general concept of roguelikes tho
last nacelle
The game I was referring to is Tales of Maj'Eyal, but it's not exactly a big game. I was looking to see if I could find something more popular that used the same features.
dire mason
It might be interesting to list which biome a player is in? Root for people on their way up to Hades.
frozen panther
Real question is... Hades battle royale when
thin hull
biome, room number, abbreviated boon list, weapon?
last nacelle
Maybe it's completely unnecessary. I just suddenly remembered "oh, discord can do things like that", but I didn't have a practical example of how it could be applied to this game.
dire mason
Boon list would probably get preeeettty long, yeah. Probably wouldn't do room number since we don't even show players that in game! Sounds like a way to wrangle the system. 😄
No worries Gas, thanks for bringing it up! I'd never heard of it, seems like an interesting avenue.
last nacelle
Advice in turn based games: "Do this complicated strategy."
Advice for Hades: "Just don't get hit."
frozen panther
4head
thin hull
perhaps progress % based on how deep into a biome you are?
last nacelle
The spirit of roguelikes is procedural generation, and everything associated with them is an accessory to that mechanic.
Permadeath is NOT the spirit of roguelikes, and I hate that people are trying to sully it by saying it is.
pearl plank
The spirit of roguelikes is kind of an arbitrary thing, isn't it?
last nacelle
It's really not. You can trace every design decision back to procgen.
thin hull
by that logic, elder scrolls 1 + 2 were roguelikes
pearl plank
I would say the spirit of roguelikes is a game that demands replayability and mastery of its mechanics
procgen is a means through which that is achieved
cosmic dawn
@dire mason Just a small correction, but the game does show which chamber you're in
last nacelle
demands replayability and mastery of its mechanics
That's broad to the point of meaninglessness.
cosmic dawn
it's on the top right when looking at the boon menu
pearl plank
As is "procgen is the spirit"
dire mason
I love a discussion on the spirit of the genre, but I'll have to ask it to move to off-topic. 👍
pearl plank
Fair
dire mason
@cosmic dawn 🤦♀️
Ah, the public-dev life. An internal panic of when did that happen.
frozen panther
last nacelle
Did you guys know that Zagreus has an animation for loading another grenade into the rail? It's completely pointless and you'll never notice it, but it's there.
cosmic dawn
If you'll never notice it then how did YOU notice it, huh Gaswafers????
frozen panther
HUH
last nacelle
Because I secretly made this game.
dire mason
Gaswafers is my burner (I joke).
last nacelle
What's weird though is how many people never notice the Hades symbol on the hydra's head.
pearl plank
I've noticed the grenade animation
I've especially noticed it doesn't play when you get the rocket launch upgrade, which makes me kinda sad
It's so satisfying to watch
last nacelle
There are Hades symbols all over the place.
dire mason
Inching..... slightly closer.... 😄
pearl plank
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/788625812206425331/26CC09E0CA37FFDDA0A01551991DAEC8E2DB55E0/ most busted run of my life
turbid needle
Yep, Vicious Cycle.
pearl plank
hunting blades+vicious cycle+fully loaded+flurry cast+burst shot
frozen panther
vicious cycle and hunting blades is absolute kreygasm
pearl plank
aka hold m2 to win
frozen panther
or whatever button on a controller m2 corresponds to 
turbid needle
Excuse you, I remapped Cast to Shift.
pearl plank
Could shave off most of the final boss' health bar with one burst
frozen panther
i rarely use controller so learning that will be fun
pearl plank
oof, it'll probably take some adjustment but worth it in the end for your hand health
frozen panther
intense button mashing using the keyboard really gets that pressure on your wrist going xd
cosmic dawn
Same here
thin hull
there are ways to make a mouse + keyboard more safe, but 95% of that is making the area where your mouse moves much larger
cosmic dawn
If I'm playing a game that requires you to press shift a lot my pinky also gets pretty sore after a while
Such as Bastion for example
frozen panther
and considering i dumped 43 hours on hades in that week ive had it for, my wrist is in a lot of pain xD
I just need some way to cushion enough pressure when using the keyboard but still being able to play comfortably
thin hull
pressure bad
turbid needle
Can’t wait to play hades on my pc
frozen panther
Your wrist can't either, rhys xD
turbid needle
Yos
lean sluice
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/391078925591248897/660706366658183188/Capture.PNG well I was trying to find that elusive Defiance buff from Chaos, but I'd say 2 +70% attack buffs is pretty good too
frozen panther
still hate how discord links dont show up first time u post them here
lean sluice
eh, mild inconvenience
lean sluice
18 minutes on around 8 heat
lean sluice
I keep forgetting I have the summons
thats like the 5th run in a row i've just not used them
frozen panther
i havent used em once
only one prolly worth remembering would be bouldy
cuz of the health
so if ya get in a bad situation, it can save u a death defiance
lean sluice
havent gotten his yet
frozen panther
same
lean sluice
have everyone elses
frozen panther
I dont have Megaera's also
lean sluice
just out of habit from other games I save them until the end
and then I forget I can't use them on the final boss
thin hull
sounds like that needs to be a tip
frozen panther
Only time ive used a companion was skelly vs theseus
Theseus goes smth along the lines of "wtf is that"
and skelly just fanboys for 5 secs
and then he starts tanking Asterius and Theseus x)
unkempt pagoda
@lean swiftthat's a dash attack, it's intended
dash attacks are more obvious on weapons like sword and spear, rail's is not too flashy
turbid needle
It’s faster that’s all
limpid tapir
@lean swift that's the dash a- nvm someone else has it
Rail's is practical if you're going for non-Hestia anyhow
round stirrup
pretty sure it all depends on playstyle, though some are just outright good regardless, if you get the right boon, like the Poseidon ones that give you an increase in the quality of loot drops
potent lichen
Yea like the weapon + God matters alot, have a high speed weapon like the gun or double bash Shield is great with zeuses lightning attack, but sucks for Arrow as it;s 2 slow for the DPS to matter.
Or having the bow plus Ares Doom effect as that is a slow burst that gets wasted with fast attacking weapons.
orchid sonnet
Has anyone lost two death defiances to a single attack before? Like 2 icons disappeared from above the health bar at the same time and then the death defiance animation played twice.
This happened on the final boss.
potent lichen
Never seen that, i've lost 2 lives in quick succession but not on the same hit, you should have a 1 sec invulnerability between deaths and the next hit
orchid sonnet
Would that be a bug then? I thought so too. I'm not really sure what I did though. I know I had boiling blood and the final boss was doing the spin attack.
I looked at my health bar and assumed I died at some point and forgot but nope the death defiance animation played one right after the other.
wise flax
Anyone know when I can give ambrosia? I've got meg at the "ambrosia" heart, but I haven't been able to give it to her yet. Is this a bug, or am I just being impatient?
pulsar gorge
On a similar topic, on Artemis' 5th heart there is a clock/arrow that I assume means I have to wait a certain amount of time. Could someone please let me know how long that is, or what that means if I've assumed incorrectly?
neon ridge
wise flax
that's useful, didn't know about that, thanks
last nacelle
What is the point of Hide Breaker? Big crits don't do anything against armor because it stops the overflow damage.
vestal parcel
Just how much heat do I have to stack on to earn Useless Trinket?
limpid tapir
Check the statues in the bottom right corner of the courtyard
First one is at 8, then 16, then 24.
If they haven't shown up, wait until Skelly wants to talk to you
vestal parcel
Ahhh, didn't realize you could interact with those.
I've got victories up to 14 heat, and was wondering just how ridiculous it was going to get before that thing unlocked. 🙂
Thanks!
karmic coyote
The last one is actually 32, huge difficulty jump
vestal parcel
Oooh, that's going to be painful.
karmic coyote
You pretty much have to max out 85% of the pact
vestal parcel
Yeah, no idea how I'm going to pull that off.
karmic coyote
Or touch stuffs like tight deadline and no choice
vestal parcel
I am not fast. Tight deadline is my kryptonite.
karmic coyote
Same, rushing is not my thing
vestal parcel
My fastest ever is about 30:00, and that was probably on not much heat.
karmic coyote
About the same time for me and i was using cheesy shield
limpid tapir
Oh! 32. Damn, I stand corrected XD
turbid arch
'twould be hilarious if in the next patch, SGG will be like "Heat requirement for the last prize reduced to 24 heat. As it was supposed to be, whoopsie!"
Bet that would make the people who managed to do it on 32 heat feel funny about themselves.
limpid tapir
Right?
I'm very, very curious what's coming in the next patch.
Demeter, like people said? Anything else?
karmic coyote
I think the last statue is 32 because the maximum heat was 32 before, so if they change that it would be 45 heat 
limpid tapir
🔥
Dear lord, has anyone actually won 45 heat?
I'm pretty certain that Tight Deadline would be your run ender?
karmic coyote
I don't think it's humanly possible unless someone can manipulate rng
limpid tapir
^
Theoretically I think a run with max heat save for Tight Deadline could be doable, assuming perfect play?
It's just that you can't DPS hard enough to beat the deadline, right?
karmic coyote
Yeah definitely tight deadline, impossible to have good boon with no choice and budget cut
I suppose so
limpid tapir
Yeah...
karmic coyote
Has anyone done a hitless run?
limpid tapir
Googling for it gives me Kingdom Hearts 2, damn XD
karmic coyote
Close enough
limpid tapir
Right? 😛
karmic coyote
And honestly it will be enough for me if they just add the final weapon in the upcoming patch
frozen panther
Tried an artemis attack rail build on 4... controversial heat picks and got my arse handed to me
lost all my death defiances to hydra cuz i had a chaos curse that let me take extra damage
then got them refilled in elysium from Patroclus
then lost all of em plus skelly's tooth vs hades
:)
arctic quartz
Is it me or is the hera bow bugged
It doesn't show your casts properly after you load and fire them
Is it just me?
stiff smelt
Ive had the bug where sometimes my casts just disappear
and i lose the stones until i beat the wave or room
arctic quartz
Yeah that
stiff smelt
rly sucks
arctic quartz
Sometimes it says i have 0
But i can load all 3 casts
I think that's the only major bug I've experienced playing the game
novel kiln
It's mainly the fact that you already know whether you're going to win or not before entering the room (depending on your boons)
Can't say the same for the multiheaded prick
shy nexus
On higher heat just touching the Lava means you might lose around 9-18 health.
Gotta' love that extra trap damage.
Also no safe spots anywhere during multi-head phase.
sacred cloak
I gotta love having Artemis boon for special and normal attack
seeing all those 500 damage crits uwu
shy nexus
Supporting fire is so good it should be illegal.
north kernel
cosmic shadow
man, now that I have unlocked all the aspects
I have to pick which ones to actually upgrade
this is terrible
also Chaos shield with Zeus special is a joy
finite grail
@radiant scarab with regards to your feeedback I think it’d be cool if extreme measures added some degree of armor, which would give those upgrades more value with higher heat
radiant scarab
I don't think that should be restricted to Extreme measures. After all the boons come up in regular runs too.
finite grail
Fair enough haha, I just don’t know if the bosses should get a kind of two layer health bar like that. Maybe just more armored enemies around bosses in general but that doesn’t work for all of them
Theseus and Asterius are the complicated ones in that, to me
radiant scarab
They don't have to have two healthbars, you can just show the health bar and 30% of it is yellow instead of red
it would have functionally no real difference beside the boons
winter crag
is there a way to influence what the first boon/blessing you get is?]
like what god appears
wispy ore
@winter crag I think you can do that by equiping your perferred God's special item
So you'd equip Hermes' special item if you wanted to see Hermes first.
wispy ore
np!
pastel jolt
@wispy ore Minor correction there, Hermes’ keepsake doesn’t influence whether he’ll appear or not
In fact, Hermes can appear first even if you use other keepsakes, he’s just that fast ;P
wispy ore
Oooh Ididn't know that, sorry I just assumed
orchid sonnet
He'll even comment on it if you get him before a boon from your keepsake God. I got an "Aphrodite is running a little late cuz" or something to that effect.
potent lichen
I think i found a problem between a weapon and a boon.
Shield Zeus aspect + Support Fire.
The aspect: Throws the shield and does tick damage as long as it's near a enemy.
Support fire says : "after you "HIT" with and Attack, Cast, or special fire a seeking Arrow.
How ever no arrows get shot out after the first hit. Error? or Technicality?
orchid sonnet
You're right about the inconsistent language there. Maybe post in feedback? Either it should fire extra arrows or the language needs to be cleared up.
potent lichen
i dont have access to post there. 😦
orchid sonnet
Ah. Read the sticky.
Er, the pinned message. It's on the top right by the search bar on desktop. idk on mobile.
potent lichen
Oh thanks, 🙂
Oh this is a gameplay question, Do the alter coins have limitations that i missed? I notice they can't change a Coin/Gem/Darkness room into a Boon room. Am i wrong or just really unlucky?
orchid sonnet
They're is a pattern to them. You should be able to change coins though. I've changed coins to hammer before.
kind marten
I don't know the actual rules for using them, but I usually use them to change a boon with skull room into a god that I actually want.
Or to change non-boon room on styx into boons
jolly parcel
i think there are a certain number of room exits that are guaranteed to be one of the resource rooms no matter what and ones that are free for all rooms where they can be anything
kind marten
This is purely anecdotal, but from my experience, it might be the case that a given boon room only cycles through 3 gods. I haven't tested extensively because I value my rerolls, but that's what happened the few times I did dump them all into 1 room.
orchid sonnet
Yes!
turbid needle
blue laurel rooms (gems, darkness, key, nectars) can only be rolled to another blue laurel reward
gold laurel rooms (everything else) can only be rolled into another gold laurel reward
orchid sonnet
I've seen the three boon cycle as well.
turbid needle
shops are unrollable
kind marten
As a general rule, I don't reroll boon rooms that don't have skulls, because they are very likely to reroll into a resource and not a better boon.
unkempt pagoda
gold is run resources, blue is permanent resources
orchid sonnet
Good old heat lol
turbid needle
you had to pick up heat in runs to use the pact?
kind marten
yes
orchid sonnet
Yes
unkempt pagoda
yep, but pact was different back in the day
kind marten
heat was a resource you got killing hydra
orchid sonnet
Old got phase out like 2 patch cycles ago.
unkempt pagoda
the third skelly reward was 120 heat
kind marten
and rooms maybe, I'm not sure
orchid sonnet
Yeah you got them in rooms.
unkempt pagoda
you unlocked heat by killing the hydra, from then on you could find it in rooms
orchid sonnet
Could also buy them from the merchant.
Or sell. Anything above like 120 what useless and I'm not one to do runs on that high heat.
unkempt pagoda
now we have a way better heat system ofc, but back then the amount of heat you put it gave you a proportional amount of increased darkness
potent lichen
Thanks for all the help guys makes alot more sense now!
pastel jolt
alright, i'm gonna update that infographic
it's..... Very outdated,
the only thing i'm uncertain on is what pool hermes falls into
orchid sonnet
He's a god boon separate from other god boons. It's weird.
radiant scarab
@potent lichen One arrow per tick would be insanely overpowered, but bear in mind that its not one per damage tick it's one per special - for example with the bow you get ONE when you hit something with your multishot. So it should only release one arrow when the first tick is done and that's it.
orchid sonnet
I agree with the overpowering bit but from my perspective the language is misleading. It says per hit.
Though I couldn't know how they'd word it.
unkempt pagoda
he's an olympian who acts like a hammer
i think it'd be safest to put him as an olympian
granite vine
support fire also seems to launch an arrow when you throw your cast, even if it doesn't hit anything
potent lichen
"Once per attack,Cast,or Special" rather than per hit.
barren nimbus
I've been struggling to keep track, do areas have a fixed length or can the amount of rooms vary from run to run?
potent lichen
The areas are set, but special rooms like chaos and event rooms change the number.
Eg Tartarus is 13 Rooms +1 for each chaos or Event! Room
@barren nimbus
proud storm
if you get a chaos chamber or an erebus gate right before the final charon shop of a biome and you go in there, the exit will still be charon's shop or something else
so basically in that case you'll have a longer run
(of one chamber)
barren nimbus
Thats exactly what I was looking for, ty
eternal stag
i've only ever been dropped in the shop after taking a chaos gate right before the final fork
native ether
Specifically, that's only if it was the right before the final room.
Otherwise, Chaos counts as one of your rooms, and does not extend the biome.
Same with Erebus rooms
Specifically in a normal run (no chaos or erebus shenanigans), Meg is always 14, Hydra is always 25, and Theseus is always 37 (don't quote me, those numbers may not be 100% right.)
Hades will always be 69 assuming you full clear Styx.
Also Hermes is gold pool, but consider him more like Hammers than like god boons. He can spawn in any biome but you'll never get more than 2 of them. One always spawns in Styx.
potent lichen
For the Duo Boons i've noticed if i have 2 boons from each god offering it sometimes happens. is this correct or do u just need 1 from each.
proud storm
one from each but for some duo boons you need a specific boon
like sea storm (zeus + poseidon) all you need is poseidon attack/special/whatever and zeus attack/special/whatever
but for duo boons like scintillating feast (zeus + dionysus) you need dio's cast or otherwise it'll never appear
hollow sorrel
I don't understand the Zeus aspect shield. It's amazing against slow/stationary monsters (that are generally easy to hit anyway), but it seems terrible against a lot of the super fast monsters, even if it has a doom effect on it. (Disclaimer, my Zeus shield is at level 1, which might be part of the issue)
stone birch
i find chaos shield to be the best
zag aspect is also good, damage decrease never hurts
wispy ore
Question. Overall, what would you guys say is the most overpowered weapon + aspect + boon combo
?*
Personally I seem to do well in runs when I can do Zeus or Dionysus builds
unkempt pagoda
for overall best weapon, probably chaos shield with ares (haelian used it in his recent world record speedrun)
for just like, the best build, hunting blades any weapon
kind marten
There are some aspects that lend themselves well to cast build, such as Poseidon Sword, Achilles Spear, Hera Bow. Those do well with Artemis to buff casts and any high-damage cast. Aphro is incredible in that regard. Aphro cast Hera seems perhaps buggy atm, so probably wouldn't advise that.
Artemis boons for crit builds are always pretty strong but especially with Chiron Bow, that homing special, if you can get the hammer upgrades as well, will absolutely melt anything you put it up against. Hades Spear is also good for a crit/sweep build, but Achilles can also work as a sweep build as well as a cast one.
I think Artemis Special Chiron Bow, and Aphro Cast Poseidon Sword would be top contenders for me.
vestal parcel
Dunno about top,but Zeus Special Chiron Bow is ridiculously fun against anything with multiple enemies, and still very capable against single big bosses.
For myself, I find that the best weapons in the final battle are the ones that deal efficiently with the sections with adds. Fighting the boss alone is reasonably straightforward.
wispy ore
wait soo
When you guys say "Zeus Special Chiron Bow" you guys mean "Mostly Zeus boons that boost your special using a Chiron Bow" right?
Sorry idk why I'm confused by this
vestal parcel
Yeah, in particular the Zeus boon that adds lightning to the special.
Plus whatever other Zeus boons you can get to improve lightning in general.
dusk plume
Does the wretched broker rotate it's offers on Titan blood? If so what is the most efficient item to trade it for?
blazing mulch
All trades are random. The last one apply to just one purchase
dusk plume
Yeah, but is the item offered for it fixed or random. I know the list randomizes, but are only specific items offered for Titan blood / diamonds
blazing mulch
Not always. Ive got a deal to get 500 darkness for like 10 nectar or something similar, can't remember now
So it's not only titan blood or diamonds
And remember one with 250 gems for something
dusk plume
I just grabbed a trade for 150 gems for a Titan blood
Was just wondering if all the trades for the more limited artifacts (Titan blood/ diamonds) were all so nice
mighty sedge
Hi
meager mica
finally got Chaos legendary boon
lofty otter
hey guys, is there a way to check the weapons that i didn't bring to each boss yet?
if there isn't it should be added, or else you're forced to get to the first boss (at least) to see if you need to kill it with your weapon or not
turbid needle
if you've beaten the game you can check before starting a run
unkempt pagoda
if you’ve unlocked heat, you can check in the pact
lofty otter
i haven't beaten the game yet, i keep getting killed by the third boss
maybe it's a stupid question but what's heat?
turbid needle
something you unlock after beating the game
lofty otter
oh ok thanks
turbid needle
lets you make the game harder
kind marten
optional difficulty that lets you get more blood, gems, and ambrosia to upgrade weapons and stuff.
stuck bough
Which shield aspect is currently the best?
lusty hawk
i think asking what aspect is the "best" is kind of dependent on how you're playing the game, it also kind of depends on the boons you're getting. Since almost all of the aspects are unique, they kind of are supposed to be alternate ways to play, not "upgrades" per se.
turbid needle
chaos probs
kind marten
That being said, probably Chaos. But if you don't Bull Rush, it might not cater to your playstyle, so anything's fair game.
wispy ore
Thanks for the help guys! 😄
And I guess you're right. I haven't "cleared" the game yet, but I've gotten to the final boss now with The sword, shield and the gun so far
thin hull
the first run I got all the way to the surface with (lost against the boss) was chaos aspect shield with poison on special and attack
pastel jolt
i got my third ever hades kill just now :'D
and yes i have only killed hades with the bow so far
lean sluice
"total clears: 63"
finite thunder
Wait what determines a clear?
lethal plank
beat the 4th boss
finite thunder
First or second phase?
lethal plank
both
finite thunder
So then if he beat hades only three times how does he have 63 clears?
stone delta
Hunting Blades is meta now, and almost guarantees your victory. TBH i hope it will get some nerfs, because now it gives you certain comeback, if you know how to dodge
finite thunder
I feel shield is easiest to play since you can block literally everything
winged quartz
he probably got those clears from when the final bossfight wasnt in the game yet
finite thunder
Combined with athena’s deflects then you’re untouchable
winged quartz
and you just had to defeat for example the bone hydra
finite thunder
What happened before the final boss was in the game? Did you just die after the threshold?
finite thunder
Aah
lethal plank
i mean he kills you off anyway LOL
stone delta
My run progress now. Sry for localization :3
https://i.imgur.com/6LnEb9y.png
twilit ridge
Does picking up Lucky Tooth for a biome and then dropping it retain the extra DD, or does it disappear again?
kind marten
It disappears, I believe. I always pick it up on Styx for that reason.
meager mica
okey
i already have 2 dual boons
and now i have too choose
my third
between Artemis Athena and Artemis Aphro
limpid tapir
It vanishes, yeah. The only keepsake whose effect remains after you take it off would be the coin purse for the free money
Which I usually put on at least once during a run, gives me +200 obols for the titan blood or diamond at the end
potent lichen
Do you guys always go to Urydice when u can? I really dont see a reason not too
turbid needle
yeah, she's pretty great
i was wondering, does her rarity upgrade gift always hit the lowest rarity boons?
i assume it does
potent lichen
I havnt noticed, but i dont think so, i think its actually random
Do elite Boss rooms withe Boons have a higher rarity then normal boon rooms?
potent lichen
HAHAHA
native kestrel
limpid tapir
lmao yep XD
There's two big ones: Theseus has a ||chariot||, and Hades has a second phase!
native kestrel
I thought the ||chariot|| was only a heat thing?
kind marten
It is. Extreme Measures.
native kestrel
This was just a normal run, I haven't beat the game yet. I had three death defieds and a really good build because I got the Poseidon/Dionysus duo early on, and after that everything was epic level. I so thought this was it
frozen panther
Ok now we can argue which is worse but we all know ||hydra extreme measures is worse than both of em combined||
limpid tapir
I feel your pain ;o
frozen panther
BUT
limpid tapir
10/10 clutch!
jagged perch
Just started playing the other day and the game is very fun. A few things off the top of my head: 1. Items not being labeled. Have a hard time figuring out which branches might be more beneficial if I have no idea what the prize actually does. Finding out after the fact seems a bit wonky to me. 2. All of my currencies not clearly listed in one place at all times. Maybe I'm missing a keybind to bring it up? I'd love to be able to have that information available at any given time during runs. 3. Lack of options in the menu. Specifically: graphics settings. Not sure if these are coming in the future but there are absolutely no granularity settings available to reduce graphical fidelity for older / slower systems. All we have currently are the resolutions and the windowed / borderless options.
limpid tapir
gdi. Again XD
Opening your boon screen shows your currencies.
I kinda wish there was a graphical solution to reduce the amount of animations going off.
frozen panther
Press B on le keyboard to access that
same, eravel
playing on a semi-potato is difficult
limpid tapir
I can't see anything when there's miniguns, mortars, big bull, and all the things going on at the same time. Or in Elysium, having 5+ spears running around with soul catcher butterflies obscuring everything
frozen panther
game glitches a bit if too many things happen at once
limpid tapir
I just can't see. At all. Half the times I get hit fighting champions is because I literally can't see the animations or tells because they're buried in other things XD
;o
frozen panther
also the fact that butterflies blend in way too much... or im just blind
one moment there's nothing
frozen panther
the other i took 30 damage from butterflies
limpid tapir
'why is my screen nothing but red'
limpid tapir
Ditto!
jagged perch
Thanks, missed the icons on the right side for the currencies. My eyesight is not the greatest anymore.
limpid tapir
I just wish I could turn down animations. Yes, it's pretty. I'm also blinded by them.
Is anyone's? 😉
frozen panther
my vision is worse than my clear rate
limpid tapir
I'm dying of laughter XD
frozen panther
Ty I'll be here all week
limpid tapir
A+
limpid tapir
Joke of the decade, I'd say XD
native ether
My vision is probably actually lower than my clear rate ;-;
wraith zodiac
what is the strongest cast?
oak owl
why is shield so op
gray lintel
i'm like the one person in the world who likes the bow the best >.>
so don't ask me lol
pastel jolt
i like the bow the best :(
gray lintel
yay a frand 
the attack speed woes were solved once I found out 'bout dash attacks with the bow
last nacelle
It's a strongass shield. It's been taking blows since the beginning of the entire universe.
gray lintel
i unironically did a build with twin shot and zeus chain lightning, was one of my best builds
pastel jolt
flurry shot is where it's at for zeus attack on bow
who cares about power shot when i'm shooting lightning everywhere
gray lintel
i think I got flurry shot second 
pastel jolt
twin shot is definitely the strongest option for the bow
gray lintel
depeeeends
pastel jolt
oh btw i updated the room reward guide that's sitting in the pins
gray lintel
i want to try a power shot based build
pastel jolt
gray lintel
i need like ten thousand more titan blood the titan blood grind is real 
a dumb build I want to try is get the max level of that extra damage for first shot after reload for the gun and them be like a weird build
pastel jolt
[waves hand] you saw nothing
frozen panther
I am devastated
gray lintel
never heard of a stand called waves hand
gray lintel
speaking of which how you get the rerolly thing and how much it cost 
last nacelle
a lot
pastel jolt
it's the final upgrade at the mirror of night
gray lintel
...oh yeah derp i thought it was a renovation
last nacelle
Also, you can get a renovation that grants them when you pick up keys.
gray lintel
key grind
pastel jolt
you can also get-- yeah
last nacelle
If you want to get mad darkness, just YOLO every Chaos Gate you find.
The Eclipse boon from Chaos is +200% darkness gain.
topaz basin
I'm enjoying the bow the most for sure. Especially when I can go artemis crit build with the modifier to hold to rapid fire
Was doing a TON of damage
frozen panther
Artemis special Chiron bow 
topaz basin
I feel like, if I want to go deep I need to go bow/gun. If I want to have more fun, especially in early levels, melee is the way to go. I just feel that they require specific upgrades to work well and I have more troubles going deeper with it
last nacelle
Sword is currently going through some balancing and that's why it's not the best right now.
The most broken setup you could get last patch was a type of sword build.
topaz basin
Also, is there a particular boon that people feel is nice or fun to use? So far I've been rocking the chaos one that eliminates the health loss on enter, which makes going after chaos gates more enjoyable and rewarding. Thinking of mixing it up next time I hop in
last nacelle
You mean keepsake.
The chaos keepsake is the only keepsake in the game that has a chance to do nothing, so I'm weary of taking it.
topaz basin
Probably 😆
gray lintel
the ammo drop time thing is also confusing, i'm not sure what the normal ammo drop timer is and how much of an effect that is
hera aspect seemed neat but i don't know what it does 
cosmic dawn
I love Hera aspect
Turns basically any AOE cast into a nuke
Also makes hunting blade builds that more deadly
last nacelle
For normal runs where you are playing serious, it makes the most sense to start with either the Cosmic Egg or Chthonic Coin Purse. For Asphodel and Elysium, you switch to either a god you need to get, the coin purse(if you started with the egg), or the Bone Hourglass if the stair well contains three timed effects. For Styx, you either take the Broken Spearpoint or Lucky Tooth, depending on whether you need the extra life or not.
You don't want to start with a god keepsake because then you're just forcing a build for no real reason.
cosmic dawn
I always take the acorn for Styx
gray lintel
but forcing a build is fun 
shy nexus
Broken Spearpoint is prolly the best in Elysium and fighting Hades.
cosmic dawn
I never take the bone hourglass
since I don't take timed well items in general
unless I'm really low on HP
last nacelle
Hera and Hestia aspect live for well items, so they'll often be used with the hourglass.
gray lintel
i'm vaguely amused harpy feather duster encourages making a mess and more debris to clean up
last nacelle
Of course, Hestia aspect can hit the overflows on many bosses even without three cyclops jerkies.
The only fight where Hestia can really unleash its full power is against the beef boys.
gray lintel
hestia aspect only seems good if you max it out :c
i kind of don't like that design, they seem bad when you first get it because the damage isn't that great
cosmic dawn
I don't like Hestia aspect because I just don't like reloading with the gun
Which coincidentally is mostly why I don't like the gun either
gray lintel
yeah i've been trying to do a gun run with infinite ammo but getting the hammer early is hard and it's never infinite shot :c
last nacelle
What if, hammer upgrade that auto-reloads your gun when you use the special?
gray lintel
amusingly gun is the only weapon I've escaped with so far
was streaming to a friend, telling them that I'm bad so won't do very good
i got a special damage upgrade from chaos, then aprodite which I think gave more of a damage upgrade
then weak enemies take more damage
then faster specials from Hermes and triple bombs 
last nacelle
Karmic equilibrium. Your badness is limited in how much causation it can influence, so influencing you to say you're bad, meant that it can't influence you to play badly.
If you get rocket shot with triple bomb and swift flourish, you no longer have a gun, you have a rocket launcher.
gray lintel
styx or whatever the last area is called was literally the easiest part of the entire run, because I just hid behind pillars and spammed specials nonstop
i didn't care about reloads because 90% of my damage was just constant non-stop shelling of the area
enemies would be dead the moment they spawned because I just carpet bombed them with 3 specials and they instantly died the moment they popped up
wait lmao hera can load multiple casts into a shot
last nacelle
shotgun
gray lintel
oh yeah i had the uh accurate faster fire thing
i was some sort of Zeus chain lightning build
then I got the triple bombs, having gotten the special damage earlier, and upgraded to The Most American Build of explosions everywhere
how does true shot work with hera bows 
oh i see, it just casts the spell from the spot the arrow hit
turbid needle
@mild crag I'm using Hestia, and I just picked up Battle Rage.
I think this is about to get silly.
mild crag
Yes YES 
native ether
Only reason I never use Battle Rage is cause it doesn't work against bosses :/
native ether
Otherwise it's a fantastic boon
turbid needle
I'm doing 544 damage.
native ether
Yeah but whack a Hydra isn't that bad already :p
mild crag
hestia struggles more with multitarget anyways no problem wtih bosses
mild crag
turbid needle
Does Swift Strike amp up reload speed on the rail?
native cipher
no just attack speed ifaik
turbid needle
ty
native cipher
i think reload speed is counted seperate from attack speed as far as rail modifiers go
mild crag
If there's a level 3 boon which has a level 2 pre-requisite with a level 1 pre-requisite (for example, Athena's legendary), if I sell the first pre-requisite can I get it still?
Pretty specific I know but lol
turbid needle
I think so.
mild crag
i can confirm you can
since i just got it
ofc my brilliant riposte is useless now but eh
turbid needle
Brilliant Riposte was already useless
mild crag
not false
turbid needle
I'm sorry to everyone who really loves/is proud of Brilliant Riposte.
mild crag
having two wave makers situate themselves on either side of the deathboat with extreme measures on...
im surew theres a vein bulging in my head rn
turbid needle
Hey, if you had Divine Dash and Brilliant Riposte, you could've really messed them up. :Kappa:
teal wren
man wish hermes' slows procced privileged status
as it is I barely notice them doing anything
maybe it's just me tho
turbid needle
I just finished a run with Inescapable Blast and I love it. Maybe that's why? 'Cause you've got stuff like Numbing Sensation and hammers that inflict the status, so it won't overlap?
last nacelle
Athena is the goddess of regret. If you ever skip her, you will regret it.
turbid needle
Or because Hermes doesn't count as a proper Olympian.
lavish spear
I'm having trouble getting the music stand/music scrolls to show up at the contractor :/ Orpheus and Euridice won't take any more nectar, and I've bought all the other functional renovations. I just keep getting drapes and 1000+ gem lounge items.
limpid tapir
Bad RNG ;v
gray lintel
ammo automatically returns to you, posidon sword, Aphrodite's shotgun cast which applies weakness, attacks that apply doom, duo bonus where doom procs repeatedly if they're also weakened, doom-applying attacks, and bigger doom damage the more it's applied
i am ready for the final boss 
(sadly I didn't get the duo of repeating revengeance effects but :c)
lavish spear
Good luck!! Kick some ||papa|| butt.
cosmic dawn
Isn't "attacks that apply doom" and "doom-applying attacks" the same thing?
halcyon cedar
i dont get the status duo thing " continue apply doom on weaken FOE"
last nacelle
No, doom continues to deal damage on weak foes.
It turns doom from one big burst of damage into a lower damage over time.
halcyon cedar
oh because i was using shield and keep using Special bounce on mobs
then it can apply weak
and doom something
then when i enter room and got 3 choices, 1 : as mentioned above, 2 : i can continue apply doom on doomed target
which is better lol
turbid needle
Greater Recall and Flurry Cast in the Styx shop. Thanks, Hermes.
halcyon cedar
the only thing i want to say of this game play is... the reload mechanic of the last weapon i unlocked (dat gun), pressing R3 is not really convenient 👀 (feels like will spoil right stick faster)
i assign it to touch pad of my DS4
gray lintel
ayyy hera aspect bow with slicing rift and artemis lets gooooo hunting blades time i hope
turbid needle
How did u guys manage to do 32 heat. It's so hard
frozen panther
get vicious cycle and hunting blades and that damage is delicious
turbid needle
What boons and pacts did you guys pick?
frozen panther
Full extreme measures and tight deadline is probably like a must in a 32 heat run
or at least i'd assume
rest would maybe be with things like hard labor, heightened security etc
things that make the game essentially the same
but u get punished a lot harder
gray lintel
you knwo what's even worse than the hydra fight
turbid needle
I think everything is max except the one with the time limit and the mirror restriction. I cannot di timelimits well and I need the mirror buffs
gray lintel
hydra fight in a caster centric build
when your damn ammo keeps falling off into the lava off screen
turbid needle
I think the lava did more damage to me than the hydra
turbid needle
I keep accidentally running into the lava when I try to dodge
frozen panther
Yeah thats always the case with extreme measures hydra xD
turbid needle
Theres also the health restriction I didn't use
frozen panther
Things like jury summons and the one that adds more enemies in the elite fights i would not recommend if you're doing tight deadlines cuz that slows u down a lot
The boon restriction one sucks so much... idek how ppl deal with that when they do crazy 45 heat runs
frozen panther
Barge of death with Middle Management xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Good luck dealing with that
turbid needle
This is impossible. I lost two lives on the barge alone
frozen panther
yeee barge can be pretty sucky
unless you have some aoe build, its tough
cough rip Chiron bow players
turbid needle
Yeah, I turned off Middle Management for my 19 Heat clear just now.
frozen panther
Its fine in Tartarus
anywhere else.... nah
Tartarus it just throws a couple extra enemies cool
turbid needle
Which weapon did you guys use?
frozen panther
but barge of death it adds like 4 and they can get impervious shield from the blue shieldy thingie xd
turbid needle
I'm trying to use the rail gun on zagreus aspect on 32
I'm hoping they can eventually make Piercing Barrage work with Chiron.
turbid needle
To the best of my knowledge the only way people have cleared 32 Heat is with Aegis.
Really only aegis works?
turbid needle
Cause mostly I've only used the bow and rail gun until the bow nerf
frozen panther
Being able to block really helps and with the chaos aspect and exploding return upgrade, you get serious aoe
turbid needle
Dont really like the melee weapons
frozen panther
yeah the shield's attack range feels awkward if you're used to ranged
turbid needle
All this over a stupid skelly statue
gray lintel
i hate the shield boss dude
rose island
Unless you’re comfortable damage reduction 100% blitz disc is garbage and chaos aspect is used in speed runs but only because it’s 0 heat and the build doesn’t require extra survivability
last nacelle
no
last nacelle
That was a legendary keepsake.
turbid needle
Like, maxed out her friendship?
last nacelle
Or I think they're officially called "companions".
Yes, that's how they are gotten.
turbid needle
I take it for that to happen we must have both friendship / hearts/ companions full completely 100% and their item, too?
Oh ok
Is this a random thing?
Or call like the gauge?
last nacelle
It's limited amount per run.
last nacelle
No, it's an active effect. Also can't be used more than once in a single encounter.
gray lintel
i just found out you can apparently attack at the same time as you dash, or slightly before you dash for a dash attack 
turbid needle
yea
willow tangle
God damn am I a master
flawless tartarus, almost flawless Asphodel. Only room left is the Hydra
gray lintel
meanwhile i'm struggling with zero heat spear because stupid shield boss
unkempt pagoda
have you unlocked heat yet?
spark wren
im playing on hell
unkempt pagoda
play with different weapons, on higher heat levels
wooden spade
Since the steamer didn't F10 in-game so I am reporting this here manually through Twitch clip, sorry for the inconvenience in organising the issues log
spark wren
is there no way to respec the weapons aspect titan blood usage?
unkempt pagoda
not if you've saved
you can get hit in the middle of a run, choose to give up, and be sent back to before you entered the courtyard for that run
but there's no formal way to respec blood
limber imp
So for every weapon, does there exist an attack and special boon for each god
last nacelle
Yes
The bonuses are always the same for each weapon though, so some boons are better on certain weapons.
limber imp
Second question, are the 3 options you get at the start fixed for each weapon? e.g do you always get special, dash, and call from rail from your first boon at the start
last nacelle
No, and sometimes you get a hammer instead of a god boon at the start.
limber imp
interesting, cause ive noticed that when i try to reset runs at the start to get a certain attack or special effect from a boon it always gives the same 3 options regardless of the god giving it
cosmic dawn
Just lost two death defiances to middle management barge of death 🙂🙂🙂
last nacelle
Did you have Forced Overtime selected?
last nacelle
Because middle management and forced overtime do not mix well.
cosmic dawn
one or two levels in it
can't really check now lol
I'd put a suggestion to make it possible to check what PoP conditions you have on while playing a run in feedback but that has already been done quite a few times
and I don't want to needlessly clog the channel up with stuff that has already been said
mild crag
@limber imp If you reset your run it'll give you the same seed as the previous run, so you can't use it to re-roll your first item, it'll always be the same
tulip warren
omegalul
lethal plank
now that's one fat L to take
tulip warren
you're still in tarturus so i dunno everything is open
lethal plank
yeah at least it's tartarus
turbid needle
Alright well I take back what I said about a Cast build always being bad
This one is doable
lethal plank
cast is phenomenal if you can get artemis i think
turbid needle
I don't think any Cast build can quite trump a strong attack/special build
But it is very strong
stone delta
Cast is too strong tbh. Especially with Ares
turbid needle
Ehh
lethal plank
of course you give up dps for bursts of damage but like
yeah
artemis and ares are p baller
especially when you can pair them
royal sonnet
diana seems better later after you have more account bonuses to stack with the crit
stone delta
Yup. Homing Blades is just broken
royal sonnet
artemis sorry
i studied roman literature and mythology in uni its automatic to convert them from their greek names 😄
royal sonnet
Roman
stone delta
But Dionysus+Zeus is also good
royal sonnet
Artemis and Diana are the same goddess...
lethal plank
yeah i think all of the gods have different names in latin
turbid needle
Oh, you said Roman literature, that would make sense
They do, most of them are named after the planets
turbid needle
Okay true
royal sonnet
hades = uranus, poseidon = saturn
zeus is jupiter
ares is mars
aphrodite is venus
hermes is mercury
apollo is le sun
neptune is poseidon actually
Uranus was all their dads
lethal plank
yeah hades as uranus sounded weird
royal sonnet
Cronos was the titan who fathered the classic gods
stone delta
And kinda eat them
turbid needle
You know what would make Cast really useful in any build?
lethal plank
nah its cool i swear like every second that i breathe
it's hard for me to hold off here LOL
turbid needle
An ability that makes it so if an enemy dies with your bloodstone in them, the Cast refires automatically from the enemy
stone delta
Fun thing
lethal plank
eternal that sounds kinda broken
turbid needle
It could be a Duo Boon
lethal plank
cause then you basically don't have to micro your cast as long as you're dealing damage
royal sonnet
Do we know who the new god being added soon is going to be ? im assuming Apollo since we have Diana ?
stone delta
Just pick Poseidon cast and just 1shot full room of enemies
last nacelle
Many people think it's Demeter
lethal plank
eyes are currently on Demeter
lethal plank
goddess of prosperity i think
stone delta
Grandma of Zagreus
last nacelle
They're going to add Hades boons eventually.
turbid needle
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stone delta
In ancient Greek religion and mythology, Demeter (/dɪˈmiːtər/; Attic: Δημήτηρ Dēmḗtēr [dɛːmɛ́ːtɛːr]; Doric: Δαμάτηρ Dāmā́tēr) is the goddess of the harvest and agriculture
lethal plank
spoiler moment
turbid needle
Ooh, more health stuff?
royal sonnet
i deleted it right away, sory, realized what i did
turbid needle
Because Dionysus's health stuff really blows
royal sonnet
its not just harvest and agriculture
turbid needle
Although I did learn that his Nectar thing gives max health, not health
royal sonnet
she's the goddess of fertility and sacred law as well
turbid needle
Oh la la
stone delta
Nah, we have too many defence Gods right now. Athena, Dio, Aphrodite
lethal plank
hold on health ups on nectar sounds handy
royal sonnet
she's one of the Prime Gods for lack of a better term though, she is sibling to Zeus Hades Poseidon etc
royal sonnet
Ceres in Rome
lethal plank
the only actually defense-based gods are Poseidon and Athena tbfr
last nacelle
100 damage cast isn't what I would call "defensive"
royal sonnet
@turbid needle its only 20 health per nectar
turbid needle
Ah
royal sonnet
4k hours into binding of isaac though...this feels like home
lethal plank
i just know what god does what so i can synergize
turbid needle
You're telling me Grav
lethal plank
just my luck is horrible LOL
turbid needle
I freaking loved Rougelites back in the day
Then again, being a somewhat poor kid out in the boonies with almost no internet kinda necessitated replayability
turbid needle
But the newer roguelites I never really liked. Dead Cells fell super flat for me, never felt the urge to get it
lethal plank
i never played isaac but tbr i slept on dungeon crawlers for so long
royal sonnet
Dead Cells is crazy good my man
turbid needle
Slay the Spire was great tho
royal sonnet
Rogue Legacy
turbid needle
That one was good
stone delta
Tbh i think rng usually do favors to player. I usually complete even a pretty bad runs, because rng says like "Oh, here, have 3 legendary boons in the row"
turbid needle
Not great but okay
stone delta
Gungeon is pretty good too
royal sonnet
Rogue Legacy was MIND BLOWING at launch
Other games have done it better since, but Rogue Legacy was the first
turbid needle
Gungeon feels pretty awful to play at times
royal sonnet
20xx is my personal favorite metroidvania/platformer roguelike
turbid needle
The low-tier weapons in Gungeon are AWFUL
last nacelle
Chaos: I have decided that you will win this run. Gives three of the same type of damage boon.
turbid needle
And you're so screwed in terms of keys and RNG
lethal plank
gungeon is i think one of the few attempts at roguelite bullet hell
and it does well enough
royal sonnet
so the trick with these kinds of games is to learn to play to minimize rng
lethal plank
still never got my attention that much
royal sonnet
you arent fighting the game youre fighting the games rnjesus
lethal plank
i just know it exists
royal sonnet
and theres always way to tweak it
turbid needle
Granted I never got into NT either
turbid needle
STER likes it
turbid needle
Nice
royal sonnet
I already own it
lemme get the key and eitehr someone can have it or if multiple people want we can draw or somethin
gray lintel
okay Aegis with Sea Storm is crazy
lethal plank
nah im gucci