And as glaring example of Cheese: the miniboss Snakestone in Styx. Buzzsaw let's you calmly chill behind the pillar while it does all the work on that armor.
#h1-builds-and-combat
frosty pier
plush shell
Cripes, Greatshields with Poseidon's wrath are mean.
They charge at you from across the screen in two seconds and then slam you for maybe 50 damage.
unborn trellis
i pretty much always pick poseidon first in those rooms
teal laurel
finished master of arms
yes i dont like how shield feels
also maxed out nem aspect
teal laurel
also how does hermes and than keep sake work?
do i still get the benefits if i unequip them?
meager mica
nope
turbid needle
on chiron with flurry shot, relentless barrage and artemis attack - should i go for swift strike or swift flourish? same rarity, same %
meager mica
flourish
turbid needle
yeah, you really have to run them from tartarus to styx if you want their effects to do anything
flint dagger
Than keepsake got me my first win. Switched to it after getting the first hit doesnt count boon. Ran from lava to end with it and racked up quite a bit. Does anyone know the timer numbers on hermes' keep sake?
turbid needle
welp got heroic deadly flourish in the last tunnel
melted the big man
also artemis call is good why did i never use it before
atomic citrus
shouldn't artemis support fire proc on every bouncy shield hit?
and on every ares blade rift hit?
autumn bough
I think it’s on cast/attack, not on hit.
atomic citrus
text says is on hit, but doesnt proc, devs should check the wording
turbid needle
welp, hestia really is worthless at lvl1
frozen panther
https://gyazo.com/816d130930f4e7127d89d6b1c2034b38 well idk how this happened but the run went from and attack run to me spamming my special run xD
ember lotus
Artemis being multiple hits means you can lose a lot of damage if the enemy shields in between hits. Like the Hydra hits an HP threshold and then a bunch of the arrows go kind of wasted
final fox
that happens with single hits too
ember lotus
For a one and done call effect I prefer Zeus or Dio and I like them even better at max when they last for a few seconds
final fox
if a single hit would push a boss past a damage threshold, it only does enough damage to push the boss to the threshold
ember lotus
Yeah, but before the last patch single hits could skip phases
You could skip the whole last ad phase on the Hydra with Aphrodite
Now it's only good right after a shield phase, when you know the boss isn't going to no sell you
And it takes time to charge those calls
ember lotus
I'm hearing Athena is great utility on call, but I'm bad at reacting to incoming damage quick enough to get good use out of it
Maybe during Hades lasers you can pop it and just beat on him for a handful of seconds
But it doesn't seem all that valuable
willow tangle
alright, i'm confused... i have no clue how to get more titan blood besides for the shop
i don't get titan blood from the furies anymore, it seems
and @ember lotus that's exactly what i use it for :p
most of the time you want to use it as a prediction, though, not a reaction
you're gonna know when the boss is gonna use attacks after enough attempts, you don't need to react much if you know it's coming
gloomy scroll
need to increase heat to keep getting resource drops
willow tangle
idk what heat is
gloomy scroll
need to beat the game then
willow tangle
yea
i've gotten to the end but i still don't know the fight well enough to get it done
gloomy scroll
you'll get there, many of the later mirror upgrades help a lot
stuck bough
Is it best just to max out God’s Pride and keep Olympian Favor in 0
Or max out both?
gloomy scroll
is pride the epic chance?
though I guess it doesn't matter because yes you should max both, especially because of how much the final mirror upgrade costs
crimson shard
So, the Hera aspect of Coronacht has been consistently wonky for me, when I hit a target with multiple loaded casts the target is only damaged by one.
teal laurel
how does the hera aspect work anyways
crimson shard
Apparently they are damaged twice if the first damage instance breaks through armor.
@teal laurel You "load" casts into your shots, so when you normal attack your casts appear at the end of your shots.
teal laurel
does that mean that your cast effects wont happen?
or it will?
also does it work well with boiling blood
versed ibex
they do happen
if you upgrade your cast you can get massive damage with hera
and if you happen to get a boon that gives you more bloodstones 👌
crimson shard
Yeah, but loading multiple casts into one shot hasn't been working very well.
Is it working for you?
versed ibex
I got it working well with poseidon cast. Woudl load up all six shots and then hit the boss, he'd end up with six bloodstones embedded in him. I remember demolishing him...
crimson shard
With the poiseidon cast it worked for me too.
versed ibex
I had a bit of trouble with Aphrodite cast + Hera, but it didn't help that I got the upgrade for the triple attack (was going for prophecies, bleh)
crimson shard
But with Aphrodite, Artemis and the default cast it just does their damage once. :(
I hope it isn't intended, because exploding bosses in one shot is fun as hell.
gloomy scroll
no this should work, assuming you load multiple in a shot they should all hit
turbid needle
how does eris work with the rocket?
solid cairn
The missile?
turbid needle
ye
meager mica
doesn't work
turbid needle
dang
abstract pilot
I think it works if you stand right next to what you blast
turbid needle
really wish we had access to hammer upgrades in the training room
meager mica
maybe i misjudged hitboxes
gray plover
really wish athena would just give me her legendary
abstract pilot
Are you taking brilliant reposte?
turbid needle
oh yeah i didn't get that for the longest time
gray plover
it's my last thing
meager mica
i never get that
gray plover
I guess the chaos prophecies aren't in this?
I saw it on the wiki but I don't have those propechies
turbid needle
still hunting for one zeus boon, one artemis boon and a couple aphro boons
gray plover
but other than that, I am only missing Athena
and other people offering me their legendaries and I'm like... bruh gtfo
meager mica
im hunting Athenas and Dio Legendaries
turbid needle
i really don't understand why i haven't gotten exit wounds with the amount of artemis runs i've had
gray plover
I've only had exit wounds once
abstract pilot
You need to take one of her other cast boosting boons first, that could be it
gray plover
like it would be awesome with the hera bow or the poseidon sword but it's so rare, there's no point
turbid needle
nah, most artemis runs i've had were cast centric
gray plover
I find it hard to do non autoattack runs
turbid needle
depends on the weapon really
gray plover
if I have flurry triple show bow, I just tank boss
I sell everything else and buy the blood in the last shop
same with chop on sword
turbid needle
i've only ever bought a diamond there
and that was after purging lightning rod twice
gray plover
think I got blood a couple of times. It's not really that necessary though
diamond is nicer because you get rid of the songs with the contractor
native ether
how does eris work with the rocket?
It actually does work. Run up to a wall and shoot it point blank, you should get the buff.
turbid needle
yeah and i've still got to free sisy
native ether
If it doesn't, report it, that's a bug, its done that in the past.
turbid needle
aight, nice ty
native ether
as long as you're within the blast radius you should get the Eris buff
gray plover
that keepsake gives 60g I think? or is it 45
turbid needle
?
gray plover
legendary
turbid needle
what
native ether
No idea, Shady is the only one I don't actually have
turbid needle
what's shady?
gray plover
you'll find out~
native ether
Shady is ||Sisyphus' Companion|| (spoilers duh)
turbid needle
ofc
i assumed it'd be called bouldy plush or sth
yeah that's the only one i'm missing rn
when does he start asking for you to free him? he's been at 6 hearts for a bit and i've been giving nectar to bouldy every time i come in but nothing's changed yet
gray plover
you don't need to give bouldy anything, and it's RNG
turbid needle
lmao f-
native ether
you need to hit a couple dialogue interactions as well
turbid needle
still missing a few diamonds anyway so whatever
native ether
specifically I think one with Hades and one with Meg
native ether
they'll become available after you see the Meg interaction in ||Sisy's room where she tells him off||
I think
native ether
huh, weird, cause I got that basically right before all the interactions
gray plover
that's the problem with it feeling so random, it makes it hard to pin down and make an actual plan for it. But I do like that in the narrative sense
I got it around 60-65 runs in
turbid needle
that one meg/sisy interaction?
gray plover
the keepsake
turbid needle
ah aight
gray plover
there's a few different conversations that you have back and forth over multiple runs
turbid needle
especially annoying since you don't find him every run
haven't seen eurydice in ages either
ancient plume
I feel like no other weapon can go from lost to won from a hammer moreso than the rail.
carmine raven
@turbid needle last step for buldy is to buy something with contracter (10 diamonds)
give buldy nectar, he will give a small buff in that run
turbid needle
yeah i know but i don't know when that appears
carmine raven
talk to Achilles, then he will tell you that you need to get contract to free him
gray plover
|| Towards the end of the interactions (since it seems like there's quite a few steps to it)- You talk to meg about it and MAYBE the next run you ask Hades: "What's up with his contract?" I think. Then the run after contractor might have it. But again, that could be RNG too. It could be any number of runs inbetween" ||
turbid needle
ah dang, should i not have got achilles started on his patroclus spiels? is that gonna delay it? :|
gray plover
I'd hold on to the diamonds just in case, you don't wanna get swarmed by drapes/music after it becomes available and have to wait a bunch of runs in order to get it
gray plover
I maxed everyone out before getting it, so can't say if it's related
turbid needle
here's hoping my contractor won't be gem studded pillars/nectar deposit/ode to hades
gray plover
||I think developing your relationship with Than/Meg means that Zag feels like he has some influence to get Meg to back off, which could be a sign of 'quest' progress? ||
carmine raven
does anyone know the name of a item that heal you 10% hp?
turbid needle
from the well?
gray plover
the sub?
turbid needle
or do you mean the gyros in the hydra fight
carmine raven
ya
turbid needle
gyros
gray plover
ah
turbid needle
and it's not in the codex
carmine raven
ya, it's not in the codex
gray plover
I googled it now I'm hungry
autumn bough
It’s the same item the feather duster ang the Charon item drop, right?
gray plover
yeah
turbid needle
yikes
turbid needle
and poseidon's ocean treasure
the 10% heal drops should probably have a separate sprite from the ones charon sells
autumn bough
I always thought it was weird there were two guaranteed in the Hydra fight, but not anywhere else.
turbid needle
yep same
autumn bough
Speaking of healing, does that pact that reduces healing affect max health increases at all?
turbid needle
no
it does affect every healing item and the health regen you get between chambers
but not centaur hearts or the darkness healthgain
carmine raven
does anyone know how much HP for each bosses?
autumn bough
And the blood pool between biomes and resurrects?
turbid needle
the fountains are affected, death defiances aren't
gray plover
the "minimum 0% hp when you start an encounter" is fun 👀
thanks dio, was counting on it
turbid needle
lmao, is that how after party works with max heal reduction?
gray plover
yeah
turbid needle
nice
gray plover
otherwise you'd get healed in some cases
turbid needle
i think hydra also had its hp mentioned on the wiki
gray plover
ah yeah my bad
carmine raven
I can't find furies' hp
gray plover
best bet is to hit him with aphro's call and count the pixels 👀
carmine raven
only found hydra/asterius/theseus
frozen panther
https://gyazo.com/6b9dbb6bef79dc251dded87a3371f8fc boon city, population: me 
gray plover
one more try at athena and then I'ma give up for a while 🤞
frozen panther
Okay now I need to do a sword run and actually win
so if anyone has good sword builds, throw em at me
turbid needle
flurry and anything
frozen panther
aphrodite's heartbreak strike usually gives 92% on epic
hmmm this time it gave me 95%
turbid needle
yeah, there's a bit of randomness with the percentages and the like
check the wiki
ember lotus
Just putting Aphrodite on attack should dramatically increase your survival chances
On sword, specifically
frozen panther
Yeah cuz i believe she has the highest attack buff?
ember lotus
But also in general
She does, but she also nerfs incoming damage to the ground
And her kit has life affirmation
turbid needle
and is great for privilege
ember lotus
Not that you need it
Yes, it plays well with any other debuffs for damage or Athena for more survivability
When I get tired of trying, I roll for Aphro and Athena
turbid needle
don't think you need athena once you've got aphro
although she's always great on dash
ember lotus
You don't, but she still supports the survivability build better than the other Olympians
ember lotus
I think the dash isn't what it used to be. The deflection window on it has gotten real tight
turbid needle
dio/aphro/athena, become the tankiest half god the world has ever seen
ember lotus
Depends upon the attack boon
frozen panther
aphrodite
turbid needle
fair enough
ember lotus
The Zeus x Ares duo doesn't activate frequently enough for it to be good damage
And random defect pulses from Holy Shield are to unreliable to be anything but a bit of damage
turbid needle
even with all four revenge effects? it seems like it'd be decent support damage and free privilege activations
ember lotus
I do like Aphrodite's revenge effect though
turbid needle
i try not to pick them
the plan is to not get hit, betting on the opposite happening seems dumb
ember lotus
Same. Ideally I shouldn't be getting hit at all, and then what good afternoon they
turbid needle
ye
ember lotus
I think holy shield might be good against lasers
turbid needle
tboi conditioned me to avoid these kinds of effects like the plague
yeah, that's the only one i pick relatively often
but that's also because most of athena's boons suck
ember lotus
Okay, there is one thing. Revenge effects are good at killing rats in Styx
turbid needle
grats
gray plover
tyty
turbid needle
what's the other one you were missing?
ember lotus
Congrats
wooden spade
urgh
freaking bugs
Charmed enemies can wall slam yourself and nuke for 100+ damage is dumb
gray plover
That was the only one
I got screwed in styx but made it under 19 mins
record for bow though
turbid needle
yeah, tried it, got through in 24 or something
gray plover
makes enemies faster, I assume it affects their spawn too but then you just cut through them
gray plover
Tight Deadline
I actually did 7minutes for that run because the 5 heat was nice
first time I tried it though
turbid needle
right yeah i'm not doing that ever
gray plover
I have about 70 runs so I guess it just takes practice
and I know people do it with a lot higher heat. I can't do 16
crit chance is usually what does it for me though. It makes the biggest difference
even without artemis. The crit sword/bow are great
turbid needle
haven't tried crit bow yet, 10% feels so low
and yeah practice does make perfect yadda yadda
gray plover
I had explosive shot and twin shot and I did 500 and later 800 damage regularly enough
turbid needle
i'm at 8 heat so far but that's just extreme measures and middle management
dang wow
gray plover
if I had flurry shot it would've been better imo
turbid needle
you can't get flurry + explosive, right?
gray plover
nah but I didn't have flurry as an option when I started the run.
It was explosive or two special options.
turbid needle
too bad
gray plover
worked out :p
wraith zodiac
is there any point in unlocking Olympian favour if you already unlocked gods pride?
cosmic shadow
Man fighting the hydra with the shield is the opposite of a good time
strange basalt
I disagree Maxumym - I think Bull Rush is great for him!
humble temple
I am starting to think that fighting hydra in general is a bad time
because heads go out into the lava all the time and if you are playing on a timer, you are just screwed
and red heads ALWAYS do this
and don't get me started on the upgraded boss fight
cosmic shadow
By the way
I assume having Athena's atk boon does not make your charge deflect does it?
That'd probably be broken
frozen panther
https://gyazo.com/9973367693580f75dd19a327f2b4cb15 about time i win with the blade
strange basalt
That's a great question. Most Attack bonuses apply to Bull Rush, right? I wonder if the Deflect effect does as well.
novel tapir
I assume he is asking if you deflect while charging up for bull rush
quick summit
Anyone know how ambrosia gifting unlocks?
novel tapir
Not during the charge forward
novel tapir
You need to give a lot of gifts and further your relationship with specific npcs
wraith zodiac
@novel kiln a fellow jojo fan, ty.
quick summit
Do you need to max out your gift bar on all characters in the game?
novel tapir
No
novel kiln
always a pleasure
novel tapir
4 for now
quick summit
Because I've almost done so by now
I've maxed out all four
No option to gift them anything anymore
And none will say anything sensible
novel tapir
Then you need to further their quest
quick summit
How?
turbid needle
are the next hearts locked in the codex?
novel tapir
Come to the spoilers channel
gray plover
stuck bough
which hammer upgrades and boons are best for the Hestia aspect?
novel kiln
boons
Aphrodite attack / artemis dash
the most valuable ones you can get are Chaos attack boons
since they work on a multiplicative basis instead of an additive one
Hammer
avoid Infinity Chamber and Flurry Fire like the plague, you want to be reloading all the time
Triple bomb is always good if you can get a good special
probs Piercing/explosive fire
stuck bough
AIght thanks!
uneven ridge
Can someone explain the heat system for me? Can i get more items to upgrade my weapons with more heat?
uneven ridge
Hell mode
turbid needle
aight so see the pact at the entrance of a run?
uneven ridge
But thinking about going regular so i wont have the 0/2500 permanent lock
Yeah i see the pact
turbid needle
you can add conditions that raise heat and for each clear on a heat level with each weapon you get rewards for bosses
titan blood - diamond - ambrosia - titan blood
respectively
and you use the blood to upgrade weapons and unlock weapon aspects
uneven ridge
So after a clear, i add more heat, then i get new titan blood etc for each boss?
turbid needle
yep
but if you rerun on the same heat level you only get darkness from the bosses
including those that you beat previously even if you didn't win the run
uneven ridge
Ok ty, so the only difference between hell mode and regular is that some heat conditions is locked?
turbid needle
your heat level has to go up after each win and can't be brought down
you can't have more than 2.5k darkness in the mirror
and you don't get a small invincibility period when you get hit for more than 1/3 of your hp (or sth along those lines) in a short while
these are the only differences
warm jasper
How to finish skelly quest?
uneven ridge
@turbid needle thank you
turbid needle
no problem, have fun
uneven ridge
Btw is there any way to "respec" weapons?
Or do i need to grind titan blood etc for new ones
turbid needle
nope, it's locked in once you spend it
you can quit the game before switching rooms if you realise that wasn't what you wanted
or you can do a trial run and give up midway through
but otherwise it can't be respec'd, no
uneven ridge
Trial run?
turbid needle
just start a normal run and if you use the give up button in the pause menu it throws you back to the house
and normally, from what i've heard, the blood you spent should still be on you
uneven ridge
Wow nice, ty for tip
turbid needle
np
Only if you don't leave the courtyard.
The game saves every time you enter a new room in the House, so heads-up, don't move back to Zag's room.
uneven ridge
Ok 👌
azure swan
trying out a bit higher heat, chaos shield feels like utter easy mode tbh
https://i.gyazo.com/56a45b912aec0135f70f47a85c653d6e.png
still not brave enough for mirror thingie heat 😄
azure swan
gotta say though the flying boulder in asphodel (the one with medusa) absolutely SLAPS
literally gave more problems than any boss
with MM i mean
turbid needle
Yeah, it's brutal.
azure swan
that's just 5 heat into Extreme Measures and nothing else though
i think
but yeah sword deepz is insane
rocky mica
Bow 3rd aspect, lvl 4 epic cast weak/apr can upgrade to lvl 4 true shot heroic. Or pick epic 2nd cast 45% damage.
Guess I should pick epic 2nd cast.
turbid needle
I've heard that Hera with Scatter Shot misses a lot.
@crimson geyser have you tried ex hydra yet?
rocky mica
- Point bow 2. shoot bow 3. stuff dies.
rocky mica
Hydra+ is in some cases not even (much) harder
turbid needle
it's a much more enjoyable fight though
rocky mica
Yea it works.
Yay, burst shot heroic.
Now gimme more casts silly game!
Poison on attack, weak on cast (bow 3rd) Does the first shot deal bonus damage too or only next damage? How does that work?
turbid needle
yeah that works as long as they've got 2 debuffs
rocky mica
Yea but does it work on the first attack too?
rocky mica
Attack applies poison and also hits with casts (which is weak).
turbid needle
i'd assume it does
rocky mica
I think so.... but can't be sure. Many numbers.
I play Dota 2, asuming things work one way is not smart. ;p
turbid needle
yeah but i had a similar interaction earlier today
trying to remember what that was
turbid needle
can't find it but it was the same thing and the damage instance was buffed on the attack that debuffed the enemy
not on hera bow but same idea
vernal cradle
Reached Elysium for the first time today
15th run
I like how the most beautiful place is actually super deadly nice contrast
jolly parcel
damn near everything is armored
hard cedar
I am not armored
rocky mica
Oh yes finally, 4th act, +3 casts.
turbid needle
grats on your win
rocky mica
Not yet. ;p Act 4 can have some funky rooms/moments. But so far so good.
turbid needle
just don't die and you're good
rocky mica
Well getting poisoned 9 times in a row doens't help. ;p
turbid needle
i'll refer you to this post that has some details on how to avoid taking unnecessary damage in act 4 - https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/520688527412035584
rocky mica
Well if it would be possible I'd be doing it. Act 4 is just a bit unfair in certain aspects. Hope they change poison.
You can't avoid certain damages, certainly if you dohn't have certain skills/builds.
turbid needle
satyrs can be a pain, the rest is mostly manageable
and yeah you're gonna get poked by snakestones and rats and poison but it shouldn't amount to much
hard cedar
I feel the tiny rat enemies can be hard to see from the background
rocky mica
Tons of small rats, 2-3 mass lasers with no place to hide, lots of poison on the floor and no room to move.
solid cairn
Spearpoint helps a lot
rocky mica
I wish poison would place a debuff on you that would deal damage after a small period, increasing quickly over time. But giving you time to get to the antidote. Or be immune to poison at least for a bit.
turbid needle
yeah, spearpoint is kind of a necessity to avoid getting poked too hard
glossy plaza
just git gud and don't be hit then lmfao
solid cairn
The mini bosses can be absolutely brutal
rocky mica
I don't mind act 4 too much though but certain keepsakes are useless there etc.
solid cairn
But other paths are dummy easy
glossy plaza
Elysium is more annoying for me personally
turbid needle
i'd have to agree
glossy plaza
whenever I make it out of Elysium, the game is basically won
turbid needle
i'm often op by the time i get to styx, elysium is a different story
rocky mica
You got more time to avoid or move around.
turbid needle
you really should be melting these 2-3 enemy rooms by the time you're facing them
rocky mica
Biggest issue there is you can get 100-0'd by certain enemies. That just feels unfair.
turbid needle
even with restricted movement
hard cedar
I feel this game look pretty, but it can from time to time have trouble with seeing what happening.
hard cedar
It is 3d, so enemies can actually hide
I mean, it is not top down so you can always see every spot
turbid needle
when you start getting too many effects on screen it can become hard to see tells yeah
haven't had issues tracking enemies so far tho
north kernel
I don't really look at what's happening on the screen
because there's so many effects going on
I just memorize what enemy does what and how to dodge
and what projectiles to smack etc.
glossy plaza
the best play is to throw spear at wall
north kernel
I genuinely have no idea what happens in between me going into the room and seeing enemies, and when I pick up reward and get out
hard cedar
They should take a course from Valve when they made Tf2, because when it released, you knew where everything was and what everything was.
:p
turbid needle
and then cosmetics happened
hard cedar
Yeah:p
I think it is kinda a problem with games when the background, meaning the environment get to noisy, you get a harder time differentiate it from the enemies.
glossy plaza
same as Dota 2 now
turbid needle
not being able to turn off cosmetics in games where perception matters so much is awful
rocky mica
Dota 2 is pretty ok for me. Some are even pay 2 lose. ;p
Hots makes entire heroes look like different ones. ;p
hard cedar
I mean if all the enemies had the contrast as the wretched thug, lout and witch I think it would be prefect
But later that contrast sort of goes out the window a bit
turbid needle
the similarity between elysian champions can be annoying sometimes but i think that's the only enemy that has that problem
and it's tied to its mechanics so w/e
jolly parcel
the shield guys are the worst
turbid needle
hard agree
jolly parcel
followed by the bow guys
rocky mica
The shield guys are just hard to read when they strike, they strike far and fast etc.
rocky mica
Archers biggest problem I think is people's impatience. ;p
hard cedar
In my opinion, the difficulty should come from enemies being hard to fight, not hard to spot
turbid needle
not speaking for everyone ofc but i've literally never had that issue
hard cedar
Could of course be that I am just bad though :p
jolly parcel
me either, only when there's a lot of effects on screen at once, esp fog bombs
turbid needle
except for styx rats but that's on purpose
rocky mica
Same I guess charriots or witches '1 hitting' you from ~150 to 0 health is more annoying to me. ;p
That just feels unfair.
rocky mica
Well you choose for that. ;p
turbid needle
just don't get hit 4Head
turbid needle
wait those count as traps?
gloomy scroll
oh yeah
jolly parcel
I've never tried it before but i feel you can bait little chariots into blowing up harmlessly on your shield if you have it
turbid needle
god i'm never turning heightened security on again
gloomy scroll
defo been 1shot by them
turbid needle
you can also make the chariots explode by having them run into a wall or hole
gloomy scroll
yes
turbid needle
but the full room of multiple waves of kamikaze chariots is so annoying
gloomy scroll
my fav way of dealing with them honestly
hard cedar
I guess not every run is doomed to success. It is kinda luck based
turbid needle
i mean
hard cedar
what upgrades you get
jolly parcel
i'm on a win streak currently, about 12 back to back clears
turbid needle
currently winstreaking on low heat as well, working my way up the bounties
hard cedar
I have gotten to Hades once :p
uncut tinsel
turbid needle
you'll get better, give it some time
uncut tinsel
i have first win too 🙂
turbid needle
good job!
jolly parcel
the best change you can make in surviving the temple is changing your trinket to the spearpoint
uncut tinsel
thank u !
sword + lava + light atack from zeus
i search artemis arrow from attack but i don;t take this 
hard cedar
I had the Adamant Rail with no reload. And I think I had some sort of lightning and doom or what it was on it. I felt overpowered, then I just failed fighting the bull and the other dude :p
jolly parcel
focus on the bull, then on theseus
turbid needle
the best advice i can give you is to try and stop taking damage
hard cedar
I did, but to fire you stand still :p
jolly parcel
use the pillars to avoid spear throws
rocky mica
Rail isn't the easiest to use cause you want to stand still and let it go for a while.
hard cedar
and he moved to fast for me :p
rocky mica
Shoot, move, shoot, move.
turbid needle
you gotta dash at all times with the rail
jolly parcel
your main source of dmg should be secondary fire
rocky mica
I disagree. It shouldn't.
turbid needle
it's like 60 base it's real nice
hard cedar
Yeah, but that run attack was the best :p
jolly parcel
it shouldn't...but it do
turbid needle
against theseus and the bull it really should be your main dmg source
rocky mica
If it should be its bad game design.
hard cedar
I guess I have a little problem with just starting tanking some damage when I just want to get finished :p
with a fight
haughty aurora
Hi guys! Haven't play for awhile, just wanna ask, is there a easy mode now? Im having really hard time to play before.... Just wanna ask :p
turbid needle
yeah, there's "god mode"
jolly parcel
yes, heaven mode or some such
haughty aurora
Oh, cool!
rocky mica
God mode. But there's also more ways to get stronger if you keep playing.
turbid needle
you get 2% more damage reduction after each death
haughty aurora
Ty ty! Time to update lol
jolly parcel
my first rail win i just kept shooting hades with doom rockets
hard cedar
I guess I need to get patient :p
Was also a problem in Dead Cells for me, I just wanted to be agressive and move on
Need to take the time to fight properly
don't tank so much :p
jolly parcel
you can be aggressive but you've gotta have your defensive boons in order for it to be feasible
turbid needle
or a lot of health
jolly parcel
I've never needed much more than 200 on any run
turbid needle
preferably both
hard cedar
Yeah, are you guaranteed a set number of boons in a run, or is it random?
jolly parcel
"guarantee" is such a strong word
hard cedar
I mean, I looked at the screenshot over here, I tend to not get that many boons :/
turbid needle
that's a pretty normal amount of boons
i'd send my wins over to show you but i'm in bed so that'll have to wait
hard cedar
Thats ok :p
crimson geyser
i was re-rolling a door in styx one time trying to get all boons, but the last one just kept cycling between pom/obol/heart. is that a thing that anyone is aware of?
hard cedar
Just wonder if I am doing something dumb or something
crimson geyser
actually i think it just kept switching between pom and heart iirc
turbid needle
yeah there's a set amount of options in styx
gray plover
that stynx
hard cedar
Just so I am clear, the only way to actually upgrade your run from each time is with Titan blood?
turbid needle
blood and darkness
rocky mica
And gems too.
jolly parcel
gems are mainly cosmetic
rocky mica
But you need a bit more of that and only in a few ways.
turbid needle
yeah, gems and diamonds to a lesser extent
rocky mica
The difference between no gems and gems is massive.
hard cedar
how do gems affect gameplay?
rocky mica
Extra rooms, chests, bigger rewards etc.
hard cedar
ah
jolly parcel
gems affect special rooms with fountains, sure,
turbid needle
saving up for my beautiful pillars
rocky mica
They introduce entire concepts not in the game otherwise.
turbid needle
only 1k8 to go lmao
hard cedar
But there are no way to upgrade boons outside a current run?
turbid needle
nope
rocky mica
Thats all 1 shot.
rocky mica
But you can reroll rooms, learn to pick rooms better, use money more wisely etc.
hard cedar
Yeah, just felt a bit confused from everything.
rocky mica
That will improve your boon setup in time.
hard cedar
reroll rooms?
rocky mica
The reward.
rocky mica
Didn't say it was early.
jolly parcel
one of the gem options gives keys a reroll
rocky mica
But you got some "semi" options to help shape your run and boonsetup.
turbid needle
yeah but then you've got to pick up keys
gray plover
I'd take a key over 5 gems, tbh
azure swan
gems give coins tho
rocky mica
If I can reroll poseidon into Artemis instead of 20 coins, yes please.
turbid needle
couple gems and a few pots get you a boon
gray plover
I try and finish runs with the blood in the last shop now so coins aren't really an issue
turbid needle
it adds up
azure swan
more than key that goes to broker anyway
and a reroll im not going to use unless i specifically remember i can reroll things
turbid needle
what is it, 5 keys for a nectar?
gray plover
yeah
turbid needle
does anyone use the broker's standard deals?
gray plover
sometimes
hard cedar
Also, what goes gifting things actually do?
turbid needle
yeah but that's because your mirror is full
gray plover
sometimes you get like 50? gems for 2 keys.
turbid needle
nah it's 20
gray plover
still better than taking the 5 from the room
turbid needle
eh, sure
azure swan
@hard cedar keepsakes at 1st, and then dialogues, and with skelly you can give ambrosia after nectar bar is full to get summon thingie
no idea how to get other summons though
azure swan
stahp
gray plover
I'm at 3 rerolls now so it's not a priority but it doesn't hurt much
and honestly I'm so far away from 5000 it's not even worth it lol
turbid needle
i mean i'll reroll gems for nectar because i do not care
gray plover
doesn't look comfy 👀
turbid needle
you won't want to get back up!
gray plover
they might change the resource system somehow with the update, who knows
turbid needle
cya
azure swan
decided to try out spearpoint for styx
didn't get poisoned once 
spearpoint trash confirmed
gray plover
spearpoint is just op in general
turbid needle
it's doing its job
gray plover
boss laser hits you once and then it's like... okay what else you got
turbid needle
i was so scared of the omnilaser before unlocking spearpoint
gray plover
I hope they nerf it, but then I'ma start struggling with my runs lol
turbid needle
now i just walk up to him and slap him
glossy plaza
never used Spearpoint in my life xD
gray plover
If you're close enough it doesn't hit you anyway
glossy plaza
Pierced Butterfly or bust
azure swan
honestly, between Bull Rush, athena's greater call and obstacles on arena hades laser looks like a joke
charred wasp
Omnilaser is easy once you find that little safe space near the top of the arena
glossy plaza
why take something that reduces damage when you can just git gud and not be hit in the 1st place
turbid needle
+20% damage is hardly worth anything
turbid needle
grats?
glossy plaza
going up to 34% at Elysium even on 25 heat
and it applies to all damage, making stuffs like Poison from Dionysus more potent
or Ares' Doom
charred wasp
Doom IMO just seems like a worse poison
rocky mica
It works with certain weapons better then others.
glossy plaza
Doom is decent, not that great a lot of the time but can be really good
turbid needle
right no my first and only run with butterfly was 20% mb
rocky mica
And doom stacking + doom delay damage can be insane.
gray plover
@azure swan every encounter you don't get hit increasing your damage %. I think it goes 1/1.5/2% per encounter
with that keepsake
turbid needle
didn't max it so it felt pretty bad
jolly parcel
man i wish i could get doom on cast
rocky mica
I feel picking a god boon can result in more damage.
And with more ease and less risk.
charred wasp
Doom on cast would be nice
jolly parcel
hunting blades with stacking doom
turbid needle
i still think the versatility of god keepsakes and spearpoint wins over butterfly but yano
jolly parcel
^this
jolly parcel
they already nerfed it...twice iirc
turbid needle
yeah, 1s would be fine tbh
turbid needle
yep
azure swan
i think if you're that good at incoming damage control you should just get Skull Earring instead of Butterfly, get your hp down forcefully and just use that sweet 40% whole run
like what's the point of Butterfly if you're that good 😉
rocky mica
I do wish you had like 0.1 sec by default. I can't even dash away sometimes from certain damage and then get near 1 shot.
gray plover
dash deflect 
north kernel
What are your favorite weapon aspects and why?
thin hull
I don't have enough blood to have them all unlocked 😢
north kernel
Currently :)
jolly parcel
Poseidon aspect, stygian blade
i like the synergy with casting and exit wounds
like Poseidon casts
do fat combos
north kernel
Hol up now
My best run today was using that actually
With the fattest cast, Aphrodite
jolly parcel
i see what you did there, you dog
azure swan
@north kernel chaos shield is just straight up broken so i love it
hestia gun feels really good
poseidon sword for cast builds is hilariously efficient
chiron bow is oh so good
spear is just big ol pointy trash tho.
frozen panther
https://gyazo.com/fd5c2d059590a16c3317f9766fac3a4c achilles aspect spear and athena cast
north kernel
Big disagree on the spear actually
Achilles aspect is hella hot
And that dash attack is too good
I dislike shield because it doesn't do chunks of damage quickly
azure swan
just dont like it
doesnt give safety of gun and bow, doesnt have utility of shield, doesnt have mad dps like sword, and just doesnt feel good personally
north kernel
I think the Achilles spear has better safety and utility that the gun and bow
jolly parcel
we are completely in sync on all of that, torturtle
north kernel
That's a jump and a room clear mate
And a dash attack to kill for
Hestia is a sniper
The spear range is good enough imo
azure swan
and chaos shield hella chunks tho
north kernel
Have you built crit on a spin build?
I think that chunks higher than anything besides Hestia gun and Hera bow
azure swan
come now, any weapon chunks with crit build
crimson geyser
i think the dislodge-bloodstone-on-special for sword, or the dash-to-thrown-spear on....spear, or the floaty-blade-disc-thingy on shield are all probably the most interesting/unique aspects. oh and the load-cast-into-attack on bow
azure swan
got 2k+ dash crit on Hestia the other day 🙃
north kernel
2k is aight
crimson geyser
i don't find either of the rail aspects particularly interesting
north kernel
Also the spear has 2 build paths actually
crimson geyser
all the other weapons had at least one aspect that fundamentally changed something about teh gameplay
azure swan
if i had to choose favourite spear aspect its probably Hades
azure swan
if you dont go hades you just have to go to flurry basically
and yes flurry is superior to hades
azure swan
feels bad for me so hades all the way bby
north kernel
Mhmm
I love how everything besides the base bow is usable though
Flurry turns you into a lighting fast attacking machine for just holding attack and spamming dash
azure swan
i just want the earliest version of daedalus triple shot on bow back 😦
north kernel
And if you get supportive fire boon then you've pretty much won
unkempt pagoda
base bow is perfectly useable lmao
azure swan
everything is usable
north kernel
I think it pales in comparison to every other base variations
Very usable indeed
Just feels like you're slowing yourself down
Or maybe I was just unlucky with my runs on it
azure swan
if you don't wanna stack majority of artemis boons base bow is ok
azure swan
bow is just slowest in general
unless you shoot only powershots ever and build around them
north kernel
I like flurry shot with Chiron bow
unkempt pagoda
i've gotten plenty of bow wins before aspects were released
north kernel
Building crit on special for it
azure swan
bow was the most broken weapon on EA release and was nerfed so many times
north kernel
Shield with ares artemis duo seems super cheesy though
Spam casts and run into a corner and hold block
azure swan
shield of chaos more like SHIELD OF CHEESE AMIRITE
north kernel
Mmm
Had a run with it
Heroic ares cast and epic ares dash
Artemis bull rush with powershot
Doom on special I believe
jolly parcel
i don't really care for bulrush as a whole
north kernel
Then legendaries for both gods and their duo
It was beyond stupid
Especially because I didn't have to wait for casts to drop out of an enemy
And black metal made it cover entire rooms
jolly parcel
they especially want no parts of ares cast in the temple with those small rooms
pearl plank
I'm curious, what was bow like on launch?
unkempt pagoda
hard-pressed to find someone who's been here that long
though i do know that base bow attack didn't pierce foes back then
azure swan
@pearl plank mostly daedalus triple shot was broken
literally just 3 arrows instead of 1 with little to no spread
combine that with easy 100% crit chance from artemis back then stacking with high damaging attack boon like aphrodite, and you could easily kill hydra in 3-4 seconds (immunity phases were skippable back then)
pearl plank
Oh wow
azure swan
7 minutes into the run and you had 1,5k crit backstab from one shot if boons aligned well 🙃
iirc Artemis dash was "you get X guaranteed crit attacks after your dash"
so basically 100% constant crit in 1 boon
unkempt pagoda
that being said, spear was king back then
since you can dash after charging your spin attack, and artemis dash was a guaranteed crit after a dash
plus you could add another god to your attack (usually a god with a big attack modifier)
azure swan
yeah spear was a cookie cutter basically
if you fancied power shot you flexed with bow, if not, spear was superior
unkempt pagoda
your entire screen was just your favorite color circle
tropic iron
azure swan
welcome 🙂
strong verge
Picked up Explosive Return on this shield run. It's kind of fun.
cosmic shadow
By the way, what's the room pool for fated authority?
can you reroll say, poms into boons
unkempt pagoda
there’s a guide in the pins in this channel, though it is a little outdated
mild crag
As I understand it, it's current run resources so boons, poms and obols and the other pool is meta resources like ambrosia, keys and darkness
unkempt pagoda
mild crag
Replace ambrosia with nectar and heat with gems and I think that's right
unkempt pagoda
this was pre-hermes
mild crag
Also skeleton keys are cthonic keys now
median ridge
and heat is no longer a gatherable resource
native ether
I don't know if this was a bug or something else, but when I chose to lose 21 health for 3 encounters with a Chaos boon it did not take effect. I got the reward after the 3 but no life drain.
Health is restored as a percentage
so if you had full health and took no damage, you should get all of it back
if you took damage, it restores you to the same percentage of health that you had while you were under the effects of the curse
native ether
the wiki one?
yeah think the last time i even touched it was back in the summer of this year
teal laurel
has anyone tred multiskewer with achilles aspect
red lantern
ok
l'm 11 hrs in to Hades, after ~40 attempts I finally beat Hades for my first time
Using the shield on the 2nd time I ever tried it
Shield feels really cheesy
robust garden
am i actually just bad
also how can you see how many hours you have
stem i guess?
pastel jolt
robust garden
i missed u sparrow
charred wasp
hey am i the only one when you put healing reduced to 75% that doesn't heal at all?
stray frigate
what?
charred wasp
once you get the pact of punishment there's a modifier that reduces your healing and I'm trying to get the 32 heat statue so have the healing recevied reduced to 25% but apparently it just means that i can't heal at all
stray frigate
ah
charred wasp
like i got a food drop from sisyphus and it restored 0
solid cairn
Ripperino
muted crest
arctic maple
Spear with posidons wall slam and knock back is so op. =s
Plus the stand still upgrade from the hammer. Was doing like 500 hits on wall slams.
fervent grail
does hades aspect on the spear work?
am i crazy? the spin attack is exactly the same
charred wasp
yeah it puts a debuff on the enemys hit
final fox
hades spin attack makes enemies take more damage from your other attacks
fervent grail
oh
wraith zodiac
what is strongest aspect on the gun?
karmic coyote
Hestia for sure
quaint fern
question to the Hestia-gunners, are you using a controller?
karmic coyote
i'm using a controller but i don't see any difference between the two
quaint fern
isn't there a lot of aim assist with the controller?
karmic coyote
it's actually worse for controller sometimes because it points to a not intended enemy
same thing with the bow and i use it a lot
wraith zodiac
who's boons are the best? cause i feel like i keep going for/upgrading the wrong ones
quaint fern
its mostly about preference and synergy
last nacelle
Lets see, which god is the best if you have all of their boons and no boons from other gods?
I feel like it might be Athena.
stray frigate
depends on weapon
aspects
and hammers
but if i have artemida ares duo
i dont need weapon
and athena dash
and mb athena call
or ares call
quaint fern
if you're struggling with damage, try to identify where your damage should be coming from and making sure to get support boons, chaos boons, hermes boons, hammers, poms etc to increase that throughput
ie dont try to diversify your damage
wraith zodiac
i mainly play the shield with the bonus shield thrown
last nacelle
What is the worst special attack boon to put on the rail?
last nacelle
Speaking of poseidon, why does Tempest Strike on the shield YEET enemies into the next country?
stray frigate
and athena dash and call
for rail i had once
triple special
and poseidon special
after 1st special all enemies flied away
and 2th and 3rd never could reach them
and i usually dont use special on rail
last nacelle
But the special is the best part. The main attack is a dang peashooter.
Unless using Hestia.
quaint fern
you can make the main attack on the rail good with zeus AAs, artemis arrow procs, hermes AA speed buff, and some zeus supports
but yeah in general its bad
stray frigate
rail is specail weapon
hammer upgrade changes gamepley with it hard
so every run may be a different run
quaint fern
same is somewhat true for the spear
quaint fern
it feels very clunky at first but i think it might actually be the strongest
stray frigate
shield)
oh my!
3 duoboons for 1 run
https://i.imgur.com/rHdUibS.png finaly did it with sword
high pulsar
Using the Rail with spread shot, will Lightning strike add extra damage to each bullet, or just each blast?
quaint fern
without testing it, I would guess each bullet
turbid needle
hammer for rail is how hammer should be for all weps
last nacelle
The spear has a hammer upgrade that is unusable on 2 out of 3 aspects.
quaint fern
which?
stray frigate
explosion unusable on achilles i guess
quaint fern
the bouncing special with achilles can also be frustrating
leaden pine
so what does chat like better for Hestia's Rail to start with, Piercing Fire or Flurry Fire?
last nacelle
Oops, forgot to reply.
quaint fern
i'd say piercing for sure
last nacelle
Regarding the spear, I was talking about flurry stab. Hades aspect can't give up its charge spin, and Achilles aspect is either cast-focused or charge-spin focused, so it never makes sense to give it up on that one either.
But on the topic of explosive throw, it's a pretty interesting upgrade in how it has no synergy with any of the aspects, but is just really damn strong. It's almost like an aspect in itself.
Actually, it does synergize with hades, but it's damn awkward.
quaint fern
i got an aphrodite boon for it once and that basically carried me to the win by itself
last nacelle
How many hammer upgrades could make sense as aspects instead?
unkempt pagoda
i mean, three of the aspects already were hammers before
no doubt some could be turned into aspects, or maybe the hammer suggestions in #hades-suggestions could be used as aspects
last nacelle
Imagine if they just add like 100 aspects to the game and scrape the bottom of the mythology barrel just to get enough names for them.
unkempt pagoda
7th hydra head sword aspect
cosmic shadow
man I need to actually beat the final boss with something else already
I only managed it once with the gun
keep screwing up right at the very end
last nacelle
Remember, play lame, win game.
stray frigate
Poseidon attack
hammer for dash attack
and double attack
chaos for attack dash ataack
spam dash attack
u r invincible
last nacelle
I would think that the hammer for dash attack upgrade on shield would be bad since shield already has bull rush, but dashing wallop makes the attack absolutely massive.
vernal cradle
Shield + deflect is kinda nasty
stray frigate
both are super op
vernal cradle
Poseidon Cast
Athena Call
It was
A nasty build
It’s the one that got me to the final boss
stray frigate
i prefer poseidon attack cus i use doubleattack no knockback with hammer
i will try it later with more heat
i did it only for 3
for now i try to finish some fate list quests
like all boons all duoboons and so on
stuck bough
which gods attack boons are multipliers?
stray frigate
?
last nacelle
Everyone except zeus and ares
stray frigate
i didnt understand answer
last nacelle
The attack boons that increase damage by a %