It’s actually terrible
#h1-builds-and-combat
hard holly
Yeeesh
copper berry
I mean you could hunt for seeds.
Just go for Explosive Return as the starting hammer.
stable oyster
could
hard holly
That sounds awful
copper berry
Yeah, if you really want to hate your life.
stable oyster
But 200 isn’t really about dmg bc of the death insurance
You just get run over by numbskulls
hard holly
Anyway, I did fiddle with the base damage values a bit
And Explosive Launcher at the 40-50 range felt right
I also tried it at 200 which was hilarious
pastel jolt
true cruelty: dashing wallop-focused build, chaos is offering maimed lunge
as in, take damage when i attack but i'll get more dash attack damage after
stable oyster
Do it
pastel jolt
what the heck i'll go for it
stable oyster
It’s worth the pain
hard holly
Time to go for a lot of casting and waiting
pastel jolt
oh no. oh no i forgot to check what chamber # i was on
pastel jolt
HAHA WELP
hard holly
Big oof
pastel jolt
i'm sticking with it
if this run wants to end it's going to have to do it properly
i mean i lost all three death defies, but.
hydra defeated using only aphrodite shield throw, base cast, and ares dash
there's no way i'm surviving very far into elysium but hey, whatever, it's a shield run
atomic star
What's the least painful combination of 15 heat?
stable oyster
stifling darkness
atomic star
I feel like maxing out gold because the shop is worthless to me most runs
stable oyster
just get the dash and death defys
hard holly
Define "least painful"
Easiest is probably gold or stifling darkness
Least unfun is damage
stable oyster
dmg is pain
atomic star
Them doing damage to you? Or their health increased
hard holly
Yes but its fun pain
Them doing damage to you
You havent lived until a Lout has hit you for 60
Not a lout, a Thug
atomic star
how awful is that "ignore one instance of damage"
hard holly
Louts hit for 72 I think
stable oyster
pain tolerance is by definition un painful, but not for you
hard holly
Its a lot more annoying than you might think
pastel jolt
well
stable oyster
numbskulls hit for 18
pastel jolt
this is an absolute hodge-podge of a build but let's see how it does
pastel jolt
i purposely took ares cast to make dealing damage to theseus a bit easier, since he can't block blade rifts
hard holly
I recommend damage, because beyond it being more fun in my opinion
stable oyster
how do I post pics
pastel jolt
yeah no i'm amazed too
hard holly
It translates to higher heat better
pastel jolt
wish me luck
stable oyster
glgl
stable oyster
thats why you should always take pierced butterfly
hard holly
Also a good option
stable oyster
defense is for people who plan on getting hit
pastel jolt
died
wheat elbow
In high heat runs, I don't see why you would pick up anything except pierced butterfly.
pastel jolt
the amazing thing is, i actually had theseus down to a sliver of health
stable oyster
basicly
hard holly
Eh, getting a god you want
pastel jolt
oh up yours asterius
stable oyster
like if you dont get value from butterfly you are already dead
so sparrow how do I post screenshots?
plucky oxide
Put the picture in another discord
Right click
Copy link
Paste here
stable oyster
ok ty
pastel jolt
post them on imgur or somewhere else on discord and link them, direct image posting is locked for non-mods outside of fanworks
hard holly
Oh, does that work?
pastel jolt
rip
stable oyster
on the next run I got that exact same room but they had armor
first boon, my only choice is a standard rarity Zeus wrath
hard holly
Oooof
wheat elbow
I love these rooms when you have Dying Lament
You kill one
and they all die
Well, at least on regular difficulty.
Enemy with heat shields are of course a different story.
The heat run shields are one of the reasons why I consider the spear to be bad.
It takes away one of the biggest advantages of the spear entirely
stable oyster
Found a consistent sudden rush start seed, going to see how far I can get with it
Sudden rush first room then a no hit challenge that sometimes gives titan toppler
would anyone be interested in me uploading my best 200 attempts?
wheat elbow
How far do your best attempts go?#
atomic star
So this game does have the concept of a seed? Some sort of alphanumeric code?
stable oyster
currently make it to first boss on most runs, but never past
it has seeds behind the scenes, but its impossible to input a seed unless you literally get a save file with that seed as the current one
If you click give up from the escape menu, you will keep the seed
atomic star
Well, it's interesting/important to know seeds exist; because if they do, maybe eventually we can be given the option like Slay the Spire has, and share seeds with friends so we can race them
stable oyster
it has been posted in feedback but if I remember correctly, it got struck down every time
still hoping though, would be fun to play alongside friends
atomic star
Struck down by the devs, or by the community?
pastel jolt
there've been two feedbacks mentioning seeds, both with positive community responses; one got a 📝 and one got an 👁
wheat elbow
@stable oyster I think I made it to the first boss as well once or twice.
The real neck-breakers of the heated effects are the boon RNG, the increased damage and the increased movement speed.
atomic star
What does the pencil and eye mean, from a dev perspective?
wheat elbow
I don't get it.
Somehow, when I want to post videos or pictures or links on reddit, it just doesn't work for me
Am I doing something wrong?
(usually not a big poster on reddit)
atomic star
It is really annoying equipping an ares trinket and only getting one of his boons in asphodel. I guess this seed wasn't gonna give me him?
wheat elbow
Oh yeah, I know that feeling.
It isn't exclusive to Ares, sadly.
The keepsakes only guarantee you one appearance, so there is that.
pastel jolt
i'm sad bc the last few runs i've done, zagreus hasn't said anything to the hdyra at the start of the fight :C
i wonder if it's related to the weird lag spikes i get on entering boss rooms lately
wheat elbow
I never had him not say anything to the hydra at the start
Seems to be on your end, I'd say
turbid needle
It's a shame that poseidon is absolute rubbish for bosses
since you can't knock them back
stable oyster
Razor shoals
atomic panther
That's also the reason he has such a high base damage
wheat elbow
High base damage and rupture still affects bosses, so you get the full range of damage out of him.
stable oyster
they do still get rupture though, which is a very good dot
turbid needle
Yeah. but every other god is potentially better
because they'll get their base damage increase plus w,e they do and actuallywork on the boss
ares does rupture too
pastel jolt
ares does rupture too no he doesn't?
turbid needle
Ares is the god of war right?
yay or nay
if yay he has a dash attack which leaves a whirlpool on the floor that deals consistent rupture
iirc
stable oyster
rupture is a status effect that makes enemies take damage when they move
pastel jolt
☝
turbid needle
what is the ability i'm thinking of
sour gale
can rupture be applied to bosses even though they cant be knowcked back?
pastel jolt
you're thinking of blade rift
wheat elbow
@sour gale Yes, it can.
For some reason though, Zeus/Poseidon Dup Boon can't
Also, for as much of a hard time we are giving everyone wielding a shield in this game
Can we also get some well deserved hate for the exalted spear wielders?
sour gale
amen
wheat elbow
Seriously, have one of them get 10 meters close to you and you can kiss half your healthbar goodbye at times.
sour gale
yeah if you cant deal with armour they mess you up
turbid needle
i'm not sure what the appropriate playstyle is for using the shield
ngl
i like it, but at times i hate it
wheat elbow
There is no one definitive strategy to it since your runs will usually be different from one another in terms of weapons, boons and so on.
I suppose the intended idea was to dash behind them and backstab your heart out
Which, against regular spearwielding exalted works out sometimes
as long as you ignore the fact that a shield wielder is never alone and brings friends punishing you and/or armor exists and makes your backstabbing efforts harder
Then there is of course Thesseus who just loves to look you straight in the eye.
Then there is also that fun interaction where you can't dash through enemies reliably when you have Poseidons dash which usually ends up knocking enemies with you
Zeus and Ares are very effective for dealing with shields because most of their boons strike them in ways where the shield block does not register.
Knocking Shielders into walls with knockback effects also works, but it takes time.
Then there is Artemis' Dislodging Damage
I believe that Ares' Doom and Dionysus' sick also work rather nicely there.
You see a lot of Ares there. Worst god in the game, yet people love him because he is the best at dealing with the games worst.
plucky oxide
For playing shield, just take the faster charge speed and whatever other flavor of attack upgrade you prefer. Then incorporate a method of dash attack, hold attack, release attack, repeat. Sometimes it's better to stick to consistently dash attacking with shield if you don't have the faster charge speed.
If you really want to just flat out win, take Athena for your attack and Aphro for your dash (this is the optimal choosing for the pair), and then switch to bracer for your keepsake in Elysium.
Bonus damage if you pick up another debuff. Athena's debuff is pretty alright in this scenario, but picking up a tertiary God might just be more fun.
Then just focus Theseus in the final fight and watch how you Really Can't Die. Nothing will hit you with the amount of I-frames you have, and if something does, your damage mitigation will make it negligible.
Focusing Theseus also means Bull will come to you, so you're effectively whittling them both down at the same time.
Then once you've secured a few wins with shield, you can take this same boon combo and put it on other weapons. You'll still be really tanky, though you'll actually have to learn the Attack patterns and openings of Theseus.
After that I'd try more fun runs and synergies. Ares chews Theseus up with his cast. Poseidon dash rips. Zeus dash builds are insanely fun. If you're ever scared of the amount of damage thrown your way, just tack on Aphro and Achille's bracer keepsake and you're good to go.
This is obviously speaking in hindsight
New patch tomorrow, so most of this is subject to change
wind vale
i mean i recently had a try where i really couldnt die by stacking damage reductions
weak constantly applied, aphrodite athena and dionysus dr makes nothing deal any damage to you
plucky oxide
Yup. It's sure to be addressed.
wind vale
the real problem is that it stacks additively
wheat elbow
Today I learned that Poseidon dash is a perfect fit for spear runs.
Chargeattack -> Dash confirms both hits just greatly and if both apply a status, your damage will skyrocket from there on out.
plucky oxide
It's the choice for speedrunning, if I recall correctly
Spear charge builds with Poseidon dash
pastel jolt
i think current Speedrun Meta actually abuses a glitch
wheat elbow
All the speed runs I have seen so far abused some kind of glitch that made them have shield throw explosive return with a lot of special boons that they carried over from a different run
plucky oxide
Yeah I'm not talking abusing glitches
wheat elbow
Real talk, Meg was no problem with that build. I charge my attack and then counter her dash by unleashing it.
Bone Hydra is super easy as well, just widdle down one head after another without dying.
pastel jolt
oh well in that case i have no clue
wheat elbow
Bullhead and horny boy are a different matter. They are a bit tougher to deal with because of the shield, but even then, as long as you keep the pressure on, they go down eventually.
pastel jolt
i jsut know that all but one of the current entries on the hades leaderboard use shield
wind vale
with the bug you mean the dionysus poison on explosive return bug?
pastel jolt
well, the bug's a fair bit broader than that
dionysus poison isn't the only thing you can stack up on there
wind vale
i mean explosive return is supposed to get buffed by the special boon and strong enough with that
but i only know that it can apply dionysus poison from the trinket without any boon
pastel jolt
it's not from the trinket
apparently it's because if you had dionysus special in the previous run, it doesn't get cleared off like it should, or something?
idk, haelian or someone else would know more about it
wind vale
but why would it deal much higher damage per stack
like way more than a normal run would, even upgraded a lot
turbid needle
Just came back after 2 months, dashes got nerfed? Had my dashes fully upgraded and now can only dash one time.
Greater reflex only upgradable 1 time. 90 darkness
plucky oxide
Yep. Dashes changed. There's now a carry through animation
So spear spin attack now has a follow-through motion with it
turbid needle
what do you mean carry through animation?
plucky oxide
Like, if I dash release with it
It will hit enemies around you, and also come with you as you dash.
turbid needle
ok, fair enough. But still will miss my 3 dashes ( or was it 4?)
plucky oxide
3
I liked the old one more. Felt snappier. But I get why they changed it. Before, it was rather instantaneous, and didn't read well, with a lot of ending lag.
I felt it gave me more control, but I've gotten used to the new dash already. I like it too, though it doesn't feel different. There's no denying that.
In other words, not a nerf, a rework
covert grove
@wind vale Here's a short run down on the Explosive Return glitch: if you get Dionysus, Aphrodite, Ares, Poseidon or Athena on special while having this hammer upgrade, you can choose Give Up on the menu and retain the debuff on the explosion only in your next run (Athena you get deflect and Poseidon knocks back enemies) until you close the game (or it crashes which is why speedrunning right now is pretty soul crushing). These can stack on each other also, so the main purpose is to get Dionysus repeatedly to build up the sick damage on the special and just get either Aphrodite or Ares at some point to get the +50% damage buff from having 2 curses. As to why the Sick damage ticks are so high, we don't really understand honestly.
wind vale
thank you
placid silo
Guess I'll be late to the party for this update
trail kraken
How many Keesakes are actually ingame? I have 19 so far, so one free spot left
median ridge
everyone pour one out for the current hunting blades meta
woven summit
hahaha, i finally beat thesus, using the tail
getting spread-shot and explosive-shot at the same time was incredible
cold oriole
guys, is this trove worth doing do u think?? https://imgur.com/a/SLU8DpJ
lost rose
hahaha dat chaos curse
cold oriole
lols
first time ive seen that interaction
thought it was neat
though i do think its odd that the chest is still zeroed out when this was the round that the curse broke, so technically its no longer active
unkempt pagoda
do it anyway
forest marsh
Troves don't count as new encounters, unfortunately
unkempt pagoda
you have 18 of them
potent quiver
Im about to get a 400+ hp run 😂
icy edge
Hello unpatched Theseus
light nova
Guys guys guys, tell me please how do Chaos and Hell portals work? I mean if i go to Chaos when the next room is boon i'll get boon next or not? It drives me crazy. Sometimes i'm getting key/darkness 2 rooms in the row.
lost rose
Chaos portals take you out of the normal sequence of rooms; you skip a room, basically
light nova
And punishment portals?
lost rose
they work the same way, but offer you multiple choices at the end
whereas chaos just drops you somewhere
rocky sage
am i the only one that is annoyed with the walls on the fight with theseus
to me feels very unclear if im actually behind it in way that wont hit me with the spear
errant narwhal
I’ve seen others frustrated with it, yes
personally I am not, but that is only because my strategy is dashing like mad and not hiding behind anything
light nova
yep. would be cool to miss of aim if Zag is in safe place
rustic mason
Hey guys just wanted to say that yu guys have done such a good job with the dash rework. It feels way smoother and blends into combat efficiently. Also balance feels like its improving every patch. I really feel that the adamant rail is abit clunky compared to the refinement on the other weapons, hope you guys make it more smoothing with animations or something. Also aphrodite feels kinda meh rn cause different league got nerfed so much. You need like a debuff combination to make her work but even then I dont find her boons very interesting. Good luck with the patch release today guys! 😄 
Patch Waiting Room
vale sphinx
Or, or, shift the aim to the wall
That would be hit instead of you
Would make it easier to track than vanishing
light nova
Im actually angry of monsters that attack you from the screen. And the Aim isnt so obvious to escape.
If somebody knows what to do and when i must dash to not be hurted tell me please
Because i start to think that im doing something wrong
Sometimes Theseus throw his spear just in half of a second. Is it cause im close to him or what?
proud storm
nah he just throws it faster sometimes to catch you off guard
actually thats a good question
light nova
That's a VERY good question, because last time i felt this stupid was in Transistor with dogs that was super ultra mega hard to escape.
naive mist
rail is the first thing ill try if its changed
rocky sage
whats the problem with the rail
except fighting theseus
which turns into even more of an ordeal
frank dew
i find fighting theseus is easy af with the rail
just use the special over and over
frankly one of the easier weapons to get around the block with
echo hound
yeah
rocky sage
most fun run ive had yet
M2 simulator
i feel bad but still fighting theseus is as much of a bother as ever
stable oyster
nice
rocky sage
i had four crits of 666 in like two seconds
i had too much power
i had to be stopped
rose pawn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423691767129309189/588029833964027920/unknown.png I was stacking darkness gaining effects this is a pretty good amount hahaha
I had the chaos boon that gave me more darkness + dark thirst + the water boon thingy that gives you more rewards
regal glade
Man, I wonder if they will add in an endless mode sometime. Next time they open feedback I gotta ask. Maybe its one of the locked doors.
Cuz sometimes I have a build that I just love so much and I want to keep playing with it
rose pawn
yes same!
prisma oxide
Anyone find thanatos near unbeatable if he shows up in Elysium?
coral valve
yeah
i was only able to beat him with the AOE dash attack on Aegis
That upgrade does work
wheat elbow
I hate Thanatos show up.
rose pawn
really?
wheat elbow
His rooms take forever, effectively killing every speedy run attempts
rose pawn
ah for speed runs
prisma oxide
That's crazy that you have to have something specific in order to even have a chance. Normally I beat him anywhere else, but in Elysium it's impossible
rose pawn
that makes sense
coral valve
He's alright if you get him early
wheat elbow
right as his death circle goes off
coral valve
I feel like he casts his insta kill too fast
rose pawn
I just won against him in elysium and my build wasnt that good
I was building spear special
coral valve
how do you build for rail?
prisma oxide
Same. And everytime he insta killed something the little spirit would pop up and i'd try to kill that but he'd death circle it before I could even try
coral valve
I cant work with either of the ranged weapons
prisma oxide
He spammed his moves so fast
rose pawn
ah interesting I love the ranged weapons!
median ridge
i find thanatos to be a bit easier in elysium, if i purely focus on killing the downed spirits that he leaves behind
rose pawn
yea
pearl willow
you can beat thanatos in elysium but you either need seriously high damage or a strong knockback to keep his AoE at bay. though sometimes i just let him win and play safe to preserve my life and DDs as thanatos encounters in ely often are often full of armored masses of exalted
prisma oxide
Yeah, knocked down 2 of my DDs. I went after the downed spirits but yeah he targeted them immediately when they appeared
rocky sage
i would say it needs omore time and more enemies and types of them before endless mode
also i suck so cant use the gift of thanatos oof
regal glade
@wheat elbow Endless mode would possibly be fighting through any random assortment of rooms with any mixture of enemies. Like Maybe you fight numbskulls in Elysium or Chariots in Asphodel
And as for rooms, maybe looping through all the biomes
Or just random like I said
prisma oxide
Yeah endless mode sounds like it would be absolutely crazy, but fun
waxen skiff
Has anyone compiled a range of ratios and quantities for the wretched broker?
wheat elbow
@waxen skiff I just always assume that the broker is scamming me.
midnight cliff
There should be a flinch when hitting the shield with over 5k damage
waxen skiff
Except you'll sometimes get pairs of deals which together are simply profit
wheat elbow
@waxen skiff There are also deals where you can see clearly that he scams you
Like, one time, he asked 200 Darkness for 10 Ambrosia of me
The same time, he asked of 10 ambrosia and offered 170 darkness or so.
waxen skiff
And I've sort of gotten an intuition for when a deal is decent or not but I'd be curious to have ranges to actually have a more accurate sense
midnight cliff
Yesterday I had to pay 256 darkness for 10 flaming skulls
waxen skiff
Yeah, but I've also had 6 heat for 10 keys and 7 keys for 6 heat at the same time for example
midnight cliff
and the deal below it, I had to pay 4 flaming skulls for 136 darkness
waxen skiff
@midnight cliff yeah, exactly. So purely on ratio it's profit (but not nec worth in absolute terms)
midnight cliff
Well, so far there isn't exactly alot to do with heat or ambrosia that you have to much off
waxen skiff
For sure.
Also, is there anyway to progress to the black dotted heart interaction level with characters right now?
midnight cliff
Not that I know of
waxen skiff
Hmm... I was really looking forward to seeing what they did for that and then it brickwalled me
midnight cliff
Probably endgame stuff where different items/boons will become avaiable
Atleast I would assume that with 10 hearths. Perhaps even romance with Artemis 😋
waxen skiff
You mean Dusa, right?
pastel jolt
romance
artemis
waxen skiff
It will actually be pretty amusing if they go the whole Persona romance option type thing
midnight cliff
Dusa is like the little sister that adores you
pastel jolt
yeah but artemis
placid delta
right
waxen skiff
Oh I know, I'm joking around
midnight cliff
She wants to hunt together with me soooooooooo...
pastel jolt
you realise artemis's entire schtick is that she and her followers don't do romance
placid delta
shhhhhhh its fine
waxen skiff
Man, the Dionysus romance tree is going to be nuts
midnight cliff
It is because of that reason that she is never seen with a man
Every1 assumes she doesn't want to be with a man
Ignoring Orion and all
mighty swan
the lesbian/ace rep we deserve
midnight cliff
I always found it weird. Artemis hates men yet gives us her boons
grand patrol
"im arteMISS, not artemrs"
midnight cliff
She asks to hunt together aswell
grand patrol
i mean she can still be friendly
midnight cliff
She does not want to be around men yet hunting together clearly states that
Perhaps she mellowed out a bit
pastel jolt
i mean, she can want to hang out and still not be down for dating
pearl willow
imo keep dating sim out of hades. tell a linear love story if you want, like zag/meg's history, but trying to turn ambrosia recipients into love interests is a big old pass from me.
midnight cliff
Tell that to aphrodite
grand patrol
i feel like she sees zag as like, when youre at the kids table at a wedding but youre an adult and u make eye contact w the other adult there bc ur not old enough fpr the old ppl table
mighty swan
jgkldf yes i like this
waxen skiff
@pearl willow tbh, that does feel more like the direction they're going
mighty swan
i still want 2 date ppl 😩 but i do not anticipate it
pure oriole
Hey guys
What is up with explosive return/sick boon
I wanted to try that out but it feels like the damage is pretty normal
covert grove
@pure oriole After you get explosive and Dionysus, you have to open your menu and hit Give Up. Your explosions will still inflict the Sick debuff. To get the damage really high, you have to build up that Dio boon with Poms and repeat the whole process multiple times. Beware that the game tends to crash after about 2 hours of play though
hard orbit
The best part about headcanoning Artemis as aro/ace is that she actually has arrows.
rugged apex
and she's ace with them.
wheat elbow
I mean, I am still subscribed to the idea that the gods have some kind of agenda on their own for helping.
celest lake
Most of the greek gods don't really do "Agendas". They're all very impulsive and driven to do whatever seems most satisfying in any given moment
wheat elbow
I mean, that sounds like a kind of agenda to me as well.
Also, if all the olympians
or at least the important ones
do a very halfassed job at helping Zag
you knw something has to be up
No reaction to halfassed? I'm amazed.
rugged apex
agenda: "do things that make me happy and/or beat up people who make me unhappy"
wheat elbow
In case of Zeus, there is also a lot of interracial doinking
celest lake
There are quite a few points in greek mythology when several gods got invested enough to all throw in aid. Usually it involves a war, but I think a god you've never heard of before trying to break out of the underworld qualifies as interesting enough to be worth their attention
Theseus gets almost as much help as you do and all he has to do is ask nicely
pure oriole
I suppose there is something linked to the global storyline that we are not able to understand yet
pearl willow
i have a hunch that when all is told the notion that the olympians are the good guys and hades is the bad guy is going to be overturned or at the very least much less clear. i want to say some of Chaos' early conversations implied that the gods are not to be trusted to have your best interest at heart.
celest lake
I interpret that dialogue as "The gods are selfish jerks who are helping you because it's entertaining, and they don't actually care about you as a person."
Except Artemis who has never done anything wrong in her life
opaque mulch
They are giving theseus some godly powers so who knows.
celest lake
I do agree that Hades doesn't really seem like the Bad Guy. He's a mean, angry dad who wants his son to take over the family business one day, but it seems like he's bound by certain rules that even he can't defy
unkempt pagoda
he got the bad end of the stick but that doesn't mean he hasn't been an absolutely terrible dad
he's not the Bad Guy™ but he's definitely a bad guy
celest lake
For sure. He's the worst dad
atomic panther
Alright, I haven't read the patch notes yet, did they buff World Splitter again?
pearl willow
Deals 800 damage now instead of 80
atomic panther
Sick, thanks
median ridge
i got hermes speed boost attack on rail, infinity chamber, and artemis on attack
this is going to be silly
south comet
boon builds are starting to get quite in depth!
hard holly
Whats the info?
south comet
Hermes boons are sort of meant to be used additively on top of other boons
hard holly
Figured as much
He doesnt appear to have "normal" boons
Sudden Rush and Minotaur Rush
We in business now
stable oyster
pastel jolt
legendary already?!
stable oyster
oh yea!
errant narwhal
that was quick
stable oyster
so is Hermes
calm sable
so uh, did they really just do Athena like that?
I know there was a rebalance but wooooow 👀
Hermes's trinket seems super fun btw
pastel jolt
it always annoyed me that athena had the highest damage AND the best defense
pearl willow
heroic level 2 being only 29% does seem a bit far of a swing for a nerf lol
pastel jolt
oh amir's about to talk about it on stream
fringe bear
Where's this stream at?
pastel jolt
hard holly
Alright then, lets see the new values of the damage boons
pastel jolt
yeah, it's the river crossing in patch notes
hard holly
Ok the heroic must be a bug
She is at 30% base now
Poseidon got ... buffed?
Oh
Blood and Darkness, Poseidon got buffed hard
waxen skiff
His special upgrade is just bonkers now
hard holly
60% and 100% at common level
heady zephyr
just as i suspected, the third dash now lives with hermes
hard holly
Well, we know who is gonna get nerfed next
waxen skiff
Also, is it just me who or is it really annoying that the hermes dash doesn't seem to reset until you use up all of your dashes?
tough tulip
yes this so much
waxen skiff
I wish just not dashing for like the cooldown would reset it
tough tulip
it feels super clunky and weird that you can suddenly not dash for ages
hard holly
Well, swap your Athena keepsakes for Poseidon ones
tough tulip
lost a run to it just now
hard holly
Looks like its time to yeet some fools
waxen skiff
It totally cost me my first run on the new patch. I couldn't dodge effectively during the T&M fight
tough tulip
yeah same
hard holly
Oh wow
waxen skiff
Also, I was expecting to dislike the new Nova but I actually love the shockwave effect
tough tulip
now I'm actively avoiding hermes
tough tulip
his boons are awful imo
waxen skiff
I want to try the autocast one out tbh
But yeah, I'm not super impressed
Didn't get double nova though so I don't know how sad I'm going to be that instant is gone yet
plain crypt
Yeah, I always felt like it was too sluggish without instant, but now you could get that hermes boon to speed it up
waxen skiff
Oh, autocast doesn't work how I thought it would...
plain crypt
And you could have that with the double
waxen skiff
Now I'm not even that excited about that
pastel jolt
stream got the best line
signal viper
Which weapon
hard holly
Any of the big hits one
Ill go Poseidon
Havent maxed out his yet
Oh my god
I never noticed it, but Bows dash attack actually has a different animation
When you fire the regular shot, Zag holds the bow in a horizontal position
If you fire a dash attack shot, he holds it in a vertical one
signal viper
(Before this update) I'm a big fan of using pos attack on bow anyway
Somethin about slammin folk across the map further still was real satisfying
Excited to see exactly how wild his buffs are once i get outta work
tough tulip
the butterfly spawner things are neat
wheat elbow
So far, very interesting!
pearl bridge
hmm. Not sure if I like the new "greatest reflex" boon. The extra dashes aren't as helpful as I expected. And the additional cooldown make me actually feel SLOWER than normally. Which really clashes with the whole "Hermes makes you go nyoom" approach
dense hill
I feel like if you combined greatest reflex with drift dash it would be disgusting
I think the point of that boon is to be combined with his other movement boons rather than be used on its own
pearl bridge
My first post-update run with the "greatest reflex" boon was the shortest one in quite a while, because it was so different from usual
Barely made it past the furies 
dense hill
I'm still trying to get used to all the new balancing
I've yet to clear elysium. I'm bad lol
pearl bridge
@dense hill "I think the point of that boon is to be combined with his other movement boons rather than be used on its own" yeah you're probably right about. It was the very first boon I got from him and on it's own it really messed up my run
dense hill
Try drift dash next time. Even in it's own, it's super good
It'll make you move fast like sonic after a dash
I think the base modifier to movement speed is +100%
My personal favorite from him so far, other than bonus attack speed
Anyone got any tips on how to clear elysium? I'm stuck. Thus fur I've been using shield and Dionysus Poison builds, and this other time, I got as far as killing the bull with an Artemis Bow build.
pearl bridge
I can't speak for others, but I ended up loving all the gods I didn't like at first and disliking all the gods I liked when I started playing. xD
Dionysus for example seemed really good at first, but now I feel the Sick debuff is way too weak
I didn't like Artemis and Athena at first, but they're the way to go man
And they nerfed the Shield Guys in Elysium, which where by far the worst enemy in the whole game
icy edge
Shield on its own is a bad medium for a dio build - it needs a hammer, and those arent guaranteed
pearl bridge
Other than that just keep farming keys and darkness and you'll end up pretty OP for a normal, non-pact of punishment run
dense hill
I go shield because I'm bad a dodging attacks lol
I use it for blocking
Not so much the damage. Unless I get lucky and get Zeus special plus the 7 bounce daedalus hammer buff
icy edge
Well yea, but then why go dio when you can take a hard hitting boon like athena or poseidon - they cant hurt you if you kill them first
pearl willow
dio is basically the one god i almost always reroll lol, though i do like the +HP from ambrosia effect
dense hill
As far as Dionysus being too weak, I wouldn't say so. Depends on how lucky you get with the rarity of the boon. Plus, the duo mod for Dio and Aphrodite is gross since it gives you 2 extra stacks of sick on weak enemies
icy edge
Dio is brilliant on some weapons - special bow or rail anything or flurry spear
dense hill
I've never used Athena for damage. I only used her boons for survivability.
For raw damage I've always chosen Ares, Zeus and Dio
trail orbit
eh, even with adamant rail dio is far too weak later on
dense hill
Again, depends on how you build it
Although with Rail, I can see why you'd say that
You'd have to accurately land shots
high crow
athenas cast is pretty nice when combined with butterfly and perhaps +cast from chaos, since it has an absurd base dmg
dense hill
Butterfly?
high crow
thans keep sake
wheat elbow
Dionysus Bow became better because the bow special now flinches
which is a huge buff
dense hill
Oh. I never use it because I get hit too often
wheat elbow
Also, Hermes has some things that help the bow as well
high crow
yeah pretty fricking nice
the extra speed on special on bow is amazing
allows you to cancel the animation with dash
dense hill
Right?
graceful bough
I don’t know if it was something in the update, my specific loadout, or I’ve just gotten better at the game, but that was the easiest I’ve ever dealt with Theseus and the Minotaur.
I don’t mean that in a bad way either.
high crow
same @graceful bough
graceful bough
They weren’t anywhere near as annoying this time.
wheat elbow
The Doom Effects of Ares are all so much stronger now
high crow
yeah it's a bit absurd
wheat elbow
Previously, the doom effect that would trigger if you get hit used to be the strongest
now it seems to be the weakest
ALSO
Ares has now a boon that makes your next attack or special deal 100% more damage after a kill
That for clearing is huuuuge
(also useful in Meg and Hydra Fights)
high crow
oh that sounds great
graceful bough
Aw I miss Meg.
hard holly
Alright, so, switching out boons appears to be bugged
wheat elbow
I feel a bit less opposed to Ares now.
proud storm
all in all a fun run https://i.imgur.com/5YLI65y.jpg
graceful bough
Never seem to see her anymore.
proud storm
yeah
not to mention i had zeus' status curse on dash + athena's exposed curse
so i could proc privileged status
and have insane backstab damage
wheat elbow
Oh yeah
Speak of the bow
Explosive shot is amaaaaaazing now
I loved it before and it's even greater now.
median ridge
sometimes when i try to dash attack it just....doesn’t attack
might be a bug for me to report
wheat elbow
Did you have quick shot?
median ridge
nope
wheat elbow
Because quick shot made me miss a couple dash attack timings before the update
pastel jolt
so what i'm learning now is that don't take greatest reflexes from hermes if you're using the bow
particularly if he offers the epic version, because +3 dashes is NOT worth +0.6s recovery time
median ridge
the bow was bugging out on me before i even took any boons
wheat elbow
Yeah, the delay/recovery time is a surefire way to get yourself killed
My first run ended up being very short because that recovery on the dahses super threw me off
and then I made Dionysus mad.
median ridge
dashes feel a bit wonky too. even without taking anything from hermes
wheat elbow
Don't make Dionysus mad.
pastel jolt
as delightful as it is to yeet myself across a room immediately
median ridge
the trials are waaaaaaay harder now
wheat elbow
I mean, it depends on the god.
pearl herald
athena's pretty easy
wheat elbow
I had two double trials, Ares and Dionysus.
pearl herald
sorry,arthemis
wheat elbow
Ares was super easy, barely an inconvenience
Dionysus made the entire room explode
Almost.
median ridge
huh....before i used to never ever anger athena because of her invuln on enemies
wheat elbow
Oh yeah, screw that
pearl herald
had a run with double cast festive fog,was high heat so lost anyway because i got a room of elite strongbows
rugged apex
the additional damage on merciful end is absurd
hard holly
Honestly, Hermes seems kinda underwhelming as a whole
rugged apex
as in "meg died in less than 30 seconds" absurd
true parrot
First run with the new update: Instant legendary hermes
median ridge
i reported the bow problem with f10, since there doesn't seem to be anything in the patch notes about changing how the bow in general attacks
pearl herald
the recover health if you dash after taking damage is alright,40% at epic
wheat elbow
Hermes only has movement/speed related passive effects as far as I can tell.
And some dash related boons
proud storm
fair enough
pastel jolt
yeah, no, dash recovery jsut cost me the run vs. the hydra
wheat elbow
Any active skills? Anything that changes Attack Special Cast Wrath?
pastel jolt
i got an increase to attack speed
proud storm
he doesnt have wrath boons
wheat elbow
ALSO, I believe he had a boon that makes you automatically shoot catsts?
Not sure what that is all about
proud storm
yeah you can just hold your cast button to fire them quickly
plain crypt
Yeah, not automatic as in it fires for you
wheat elbow
If you have a lot of ammo, that's great
So guys
Let me tell you about the greatest change
Artemis no longer giving you dislodging boons
plain crypt
Yeah
median ridge
increased attack speed on infinity chamber rail is awesome
wheat elbow
if you have Ares/Dionysus cast
plain crypt
So good
wheat elbow
Before, that synergy was super bad because you would usually go out empty or with a mediocre boon at best
Nooow it is even better because by picking one of either casts, you automatically limit Artemis Boon-Pool, giving you superior options later on.
Also makes going for that Artemis/Ares Duo much less of a hassle
pastel jolt
lambent plume, more like "i die inside whenever i see an elite wretched lout now"
oh my god, epic aphrodite attack = +83%??? THANK YOU,,
median ridge
i feel like the lambent plume just doesn't give enough time for areas like asphodel or elysium, where the arenas are so big and there are so many waves of enemies
pastel jolt
aaaand then i immediately enter a survival room :(
robust garden
i feel like that'll go to to 100% with a pom @pastel jolt
hard holly
I wish they would just have them share the same damage value
But for some reason people dont want that
wind vale
didnt make any sense that athena had the highest % before
hard holly
Doesnt make sense that Poseidon does either
Or that Aphrodite does more than Athena now
hard holly
Not exactly
They have different purposes
Athenas utility came up incredibly rarely on Slug Rail and Bow and even Sword
I dont remember if it started working on shield charge
fringe bear
Is Athena's cast still good or did they nerf that too?
hard holly
Nah that one is the same
fringe bear
Phew
wind vale
they buffed the worst 2 at least - artemis and aphrodite
hard holly
Artemis was actually arguably the best
fringe bear
So Athena is still good for cast, dodge, and wrath. I can live with that
hard holly
And I think Artemis was nerfed
wind vale
was lower damage for no bonus gained
hard holly
And Aphrodite was bad because of her numbers and not much else
rugged apex
this is the highest my DPS has been in any run
hard holly
The bonus was crit, the only multiplicative form of damage amplification
wind vale
artemis cast
pastel jolt
yeah, i pommed it and it's gone to 101%
wind vale
didnt crit
pastel jolt
i also have +13% move speed from the plume and +30% from a hermes boon so i am living up to the goddamn nickname here
wind vale
it was just a weaker poseidon/athena cast
robust garden
yea it homes way better
wind vale
it homes worse since you cant chose the target
fringe bear
Sometimes to great comedic effect
hard holly
Anyway
The problem as it is, is just that you pick the god with the highest % and forget the others
If they were all equal, youd pick based on their utility
wind vale
so never artemis?
hard holly
Artemis would be too strong of course, but she might have to be turned into a Hermes-type god
wind vale
or zeus
hard holly
Talking about Attack/Special boons here
wind vale
exactly
pastel jolt
oh god, i'm going to become the Ultimate Speedy Boi
hard holly
Hence why she might need to be like Hermes
pastel jolt
for three encounters anyway
wind vale
i calculate the crit chance in the % increase
wind vale
not as utility
hard holly
Crit is multiplicative
robust garden
does it add or multiply @pastel jolt
rustic field
hey this probably has been answered before, but do you keep the damge bonus after you switch off the butterfly?
hard holly
So 30% +5% chance to crit
rugged apex
no.
wind vale
its 43%
rustic field
awww, thats why i dont like the butterfly, i always feel like i have take it for the whole run
wind vale
without any other buff
robust garden
yea tbh lately i just go butterfly and i take it for the whole run
and see what the fates have planned for me
proud storm
thrilling gameplay https://streamable.com/09284
hard holly
Well, no
Without any other buff its actually 48%
Its already better baseline
But it gets a lot better as you get other upgrades
wind vale
its 43% and even less value since more damage gets lost to overkills
rugged apex
i uh. I don't think merciful end needs to do this much bonus damage, on top of the buff to doom damage
rugged apex
when you hit an enemy with an attack that deflects, doom effects on them trigger immediately
with +120 damage
pastel jolt
hermes legendary time >:3c
hard holly
Anyway, if Artemis was like Hermes, and the decision was between Athena, Aphrodite and Poseidon, each of them would have good arguments for them
Aphrodite applies a curse directly, so getting that mirror upgrade becomes easier, plus weak isnt irrelevant
pearl bridge
Some of Hermes' debuffs (slowing enemies down) don't seem to count towards the "deal more damage to enemies with two curses" mechanic
hard holly
Poseidon helps a lot in Asphodel against its most annoying enemies, while the razor shoal upgrade is good vs both enemies and bosses
Athenas deflect is great against projectile spam, but falls off on bosses, and her upgrade has the same issue
wind vale
poseidon is a joke
but maybe the new ruptured may be something
and athena even deflects a lot vs bosses if you just blindly spam
hard holly
Deflect is just not very valuable vs bosses
The deflected attacks rarely hit them, and if you just want to destroy projectiles, any attack that deflects would destroy them anyway
wind vale
they dont need to hit them but they reduce damage
often more than the 50% you would get from aphrodite
hard holly
Again, as I just said
Any attack that deflects with athena, destroys without
The amount of damage you dont take is the same
plucky oxide
Deflect is great on things like sword special. Seems to give you some I-frames
wind vale
most dont
hard holly
True but thats finnicky
hard holly
Thats slightly relevant, but still not enough
But the big reason it used to be great was because of hydras arrows
wind vale
or the spear
hard holly
Since those were undestroyable
They have been for at least 4 updates now
So that utility lost a lot of value
pastel jolt
hmmmmmm........ do i keep the 18% speed/dodge bonus going into elysium or swap it out
wind vale
oh you mean the small projectiles from the main head sure
pastel jolt
my build is fairly powerful but i don't feel like it's "clear elysium rooms in 30s" kinds of powerful
hard holly
I mean, 18% dodge isnt nothing
Yeah those are the most important ones
The waves dont even appear in every Hydra run and are not terribly significant
The spawners and fire projectiles cant be deflected IIRC
wind vale
they can
pastel jolt
yup! i have deflected the teeth directly into lava and they die before they get a chance to spawn
proud storm
New keepsake is all about clearing tartarus asap
wind vale
and the fire gets removed from it, the spawner shot anywhere, usually in lava
proud storm
At best you could grab around 25% dodge chance
hard holly
But still fairly insignificant
rugged apex
this was my fastest run yet literally all off of 400-damage merciful end doom effects https://i.imgur.com/eDKwAT8.jpg
special doom damage at epic+3 poms is 187
light nova
"Artemis no longer offers Exit Wounds and Quick Reload if your Cast is not compatible" what does it mean guys? I cant understand
rugged apex
ares and dionysus cast don't lodge in enemies, so artemis won't offer boons that only work with lodging casts.
rugged apex
around 40
light nova
It's actually sad that you can miss effect if missclicked
pastel jolt
i'm trying to decide if i'll get more use out of a kiss of styx or a cyclops jerky from pat
pearl herald
just had the funniest run,was using shield,got +21% attack speed,crit on attack,dash deflect with artemis duo for even more crit,two hit no knockback shield
i danced around asterius and he never used his charge before he died
pastel jolt
i'm at chamber 35, so 6 chambers should well cover it
pearl herald
theseus died in less than 20 seconds after i killed asterius lol
strong sleet
Have you guys noticed on the Megagorgon fight that the skullcrusher will stay in the air for short periods of time and then resume its attacks?
Is it a bug or an actual change because it makes the fight a lot easier
signal jungle
I'm so sad about the styx potion nerf
pastel jolt
okay, so this build is ridiculous
bow with triple shot
+129% aphrodite attack
+76% dash attack
52-damage aphrodite dash
30% run speed
hermes and aphrodite legendaries
urge to kill AND cyclops jerky
trail orbit
what's the hermes legendary?
pastel jolt
relative speed: your dash makes nearby enemies 50% slower for 1 sec
they never stood a chance B)
trail orbit
whoa, amazing build, but the hermes legendary seems kinda meh tho?
pastel jolt
it's better on builds that see you in close combat a lot
it's really useful in elysium, actually
trail orbit
huh, cant wait to try it out then 😃
calm sable
Managed to get the Hermes trinket up to 21% max so far
The added 15% dodge chance you can get from one of his boons is nice on top of it
pastel jolt
okay, it's almost 11pm, and i need to go to bed at 12....... i'm going to try and at least get hermes's wiki page functional
velvet nest
what does Lambent Plume do?? i keep forgetting to give Hermes a gift to get it lol
calm sable
2.5% (at max trinket level) increasing move speed and dodge chance for each chamber you clear in under 30 seconds 👀
velvet nest
YOOOOOO
calm sable
It's fun but you honestly kinda can't gain stacks past Tartarus without extraordinary luck
it's just not well suited to things like minibosses, the asphodel boat, and the wider encounter spaces in general
which makes sense, dodge chance isn't a thing you can allow to get too high
pastel jolt
you can kinda get stacks in asphodel if you're powerful, idk if it's just luck but i've noticed the wave sizes in asphodel aren't quite as big as i'm used to?
calm sable
Also you can get totally screwed over by things like the Hades "survive for 45 seconds" encounters
velvet nest
still though, tat sounds really cool and hopefully they iron it out a little bit
calm sable
I can see the mechanics of the Plume being fiddled with a little going forward to suit some of those rooms, but making sure it can't escape the 20-30% bound is ideal
velvet nest
how do you guys feel about Hermes so far??? i haven't gotten to use him TOO often but i will say that his boon that turns your cast automatic is insane lol
calm sable
Oh I love that thing
pastel jolt
i haven't gotten that one yet
calm sable
I'm a fan of what they did with Hermes in general, more of an auxiliary god to boost the other main boons you have going on rather than another deity to contest your usual slot choices for
pastel jolt
i must say i feel like my love of the bow means hermes hasn't been quite as useful to me
i'll have to play more to get a feel for it
did very much enjoy the 30% speed bonus he gave me last run though
velvet nest
yeah, i love that too, i was worried pre-patch that Hermes was gonna be the worst god if we had to choose
pastel jolt
even if just for the joy of being a Speedy Boi
fossil moat
I love anything that goes w/ the adamant rail, so the rapid nature of hermes stuff is awesome
speaking of....
God-DAYUM the new version of Support-fire (Artemis legendary) is so freaking fun xD
pastel jolt
i feel like the way his boons 'layer up' is cool because it means less competition for your 'main' slots
velvet nest
oooo what does it do??
fossil moat
any attack, special or cast sends out a seeking shot
calm sable
I wanted Hermes to bring attack speed buffs and those are what he brought, alongside many other interesting mechanics
velvet nest
WAIT WHAT
calm sable
a good day 🙏
velvet nest
okay phew that's not AS op as it first sounded but STILL
pastel jolt
don't worry, don't worry, it'll be up on the wiki at some point....
velvet nest
that's wild
hermes' legendary is really fun on Tartarus, even if it's not that good anywhere else
pastel jolt
oh, its useful in elysium
fossil moat
it's better in elysium
velvet nest
bc u slow the enemies so muc hthat if u knock them into lava, they can't jump out until they're almost dead
fossil moat
@velvet nest ooooooh, havent thought about that
the big brane
poseidon buff w/ that
Thoughts on the soul catchers?
annoying as hell imo
urban cape
Purple balls?
urban cape
I just did a run with shield, if you have doom on special attack they are pretty easy to destroy
calm sable
and I think their miniboss room is a cool idea
urban cape
bounces (8 or 7 can't remember)
and i also had the catch - deal damage around you kind of thing
hard holly
Just play Bow
fossil moat
mehanix
still tho, did they change bow around in the patch?
skimmed it briefly, didnt notice anything
hard holly
Powershot isnt as busted anymores
Anymore
But its still broken
The doom shield upgrade is kind of a trap, its not really all that safe since it takes forever to kill anything
fossil moat
Thoughts on explosive shot buff?
urban cape
problem is i can't really play bow. I read somewhere it easy broken but it still don't find a way to make it work ahah
fossil moat
same man
urban cape
meanwhile with shield I finda myself in kinda good spot
hard holly
No idea, havent played it yet
urban cape
rail is good aswell
hard holly
Personally I stick to the buffs I know
Anyway, beyond dash-attack spamming on bow, not much can really be said
urban cape
i ended the game w/o pact with shield, spear and rail. Now ill start with pact
and ill try bow again till i find the way to make it work 😄
thanks unovven for the hint 😄
hard holly
The reason you do that is because the dash attack charges faster
fossil moat
Pairing bow dash attack w/ artemis and chaos boons is so fun when you see some 1006 dmg crit
calm ember
I picked the game up for the first time in awhile today. Did they change the dash? It feels smoother now.
fossil moat
chaining dashes keeps the I-frames I think
hard holly
Last update, yes
fossil moat
They changed the art as well
ay, speak of the devil (no pun intended), next run on bow's got 10% darkness. Will update l8r
calm ember
The more I play this game the more I really am happy I jumped in on the Early Access. I still haven't figured out what most of these icons mean though. lmao
pastel jolt
on the doors?
fossil moat
oh, btw, explosive shot basically gives you 100 base dmg, w/ a 160 dmg power shot
have fun
calm ember
yeah on the doors
Seems like once I have a handle on it I'll see one I don't know. I'm playing with Shield of Chaos and Artemis' Special Boost. Makes the Shield Throw Dope AF.
hard holly
It does very little damage though, try artemis with Bows attack, or the bullrush
@cold galleon it works totally fine with bow
And by that I mean its busted and by far the best dash upgrade for bow
pastel jolt
dash attack on bow is GOOD
cold galleon
Yeah? I was playing and didn't notice the improve (thanks anyway)
pastel jolt
you should always be dashing with bow, it makes you attack faster
hard holly
You have to attack right after dashing
That triggers a dash attack which does let you charge faster
cold galleon
Thanks, I'll try next time! I don't pick the bow so often but I like it a lot
fossil moat
It's an optional chest at the end of a room once you've cleared it.
hard holly
And with Artemis upgrade, does more damage
pastel jolt
fun fact, he does actually have a dash attack animation for bow now, i don't think he did before
hard holly
I think he did
pastel jolt
vertical bow = not a dash attack
horizontal bow = dash attack
calm ember
Thank you @fossil moat
pastel jolt
if he did, then i was too busy NYOOM-ing to notice lmao
fossil moat
@calm ember np man
hard holly
If he holds it upright, its a dash attack
pastel jolt
ohhhh nice
fossil moat
kind of throws off power shot timing though, so be careful
pastel jolt
oh by the way has anyone else noticed that hermes's boon tooltips function closer to the way chaos's do
fossil moat
using this w/ explosive shot
@pastel jolt in what way?
is it the different color fonts?
pastel jolt
here's a really, really old screencap of an aphrodite boon
it's the difference between Your Attack is 30% faster. and Your Attack deals more damage
fossil moat
ah, i guess they're streamlining
never noticed that
lel
makes sense though, chaos boons have a lot of text, so they had to make it more succinct
Another reason is probably that nearly every Hermes boon is unique in terms of functionality. With the other gods, they have a specific 'effect', for whatever 'damage',with a '%-stat'
calm ember
Where is the most effective way to use Ambrosia in your opinions?
fossil moat
They're good for lore
pastel jolt
give one to everybody and then shower your favourites
hard holly
Dont worry
fossil moat
Give 1 to each character first
hard holly
Youll get a lot more than you need
calm ember
ok I was wondering if I should just dump them into one specific or spread them out.
hard holly
Spread them out at first
fossil moat
sadbois, took the cosmic egg and didnt get even a single chaos portal or light of ixion once in Tartarus
😫
waxen skiff
Ok, what do people think of the Hermes Keepsake so far?
I'm really liking it.
I'm usually at 20ish% dodge which is effectively 20% damage reduction at the end of the run and get a nice speed bonus on top
flat stag
Areus's new boon vicious cycle is a total beast. Totally cheesed theseus with it.
waxen skiff
What does it do?
flat stag
Blade rift dealing effects deal more damage for each consecutive hit (2 damage increase per hit)
waxen skiff
oh man
pastel jolt
question, is there anybody around who has gotten the rapid fire cast boon from hermes and remembers what rarity + value it was
flat stag
it is, especially if you keep spinning with it with the wrath of areus
fossil moat
@pastel jolt i saw a rare version with +30%
fossil moat
Maybe I was mistaken on the percentage, took a glance, didnt take
pastel jolt
yeah, i'm looking at the dev stream and rare rapid cast is +60%
hermes's boons, so far as i can tell, don't have the same wibbly-wobbly the other gods do
fossil moat
you can't upgrade hermes boons w/ pom right?
maybe that's why
@flat stag have you tried vicious cycle w/ the artemis/ares duo boon yet?
pastel jolt
you cannot pom them
waxen skiff
Wait, I'm super confused. I could have sworn I got the nearby enemies are slower at 75% in a run while on the developer stream it shows up as a 50%. Am I imagining things?
pastel jolt
rarity?
waxen skiff
It's legendary
So I would imagine that wouldn't be different
I've got to start like keeping a spreadsheet of this stuff (especially since the wiki will need to be updated)
hard holly
There are 2 boons that slow enemies down
pastel jolt
will do, at some point soon, when it is not midnight,
waxen skiff
Obv, but I can be helpful if I track my stuff as well