i don't think i've used the collar much
#h1-builds-and-combat
pastel jolt
green birch
pastel jolt
i tend to go with a god keepsake in tartarus, then switch either to a different god keepsake in asphodel if i want some synergy or go with the earring
formal wyvern
Collar was my first keepsake, so it's hard to pass up the extra 60 life while I'm learning new enemies
pastel jolt
earring or spearpoint in elysium - earring if i'm already low health, spearpoint if i want to be a little safer
formal wyvern
Is spearpoint Patroclus?
pastel jolt
aye
atomic panther
Pre-Beefy Update, I stuck with Collar most of the time, but now I like using the Butterfly because I can usually get through Tartarus no-hit, and a +35% damage keepsake unconditionally is worth not getting to choose my god boons.
formal wyvern
I couldn't give him ambrosia for some reason
pastel jolt
weird, you should be able to
formal wyvern
I'll check again. It was late when I stopped playing
I haven't even seen Thanatos yet
vivid pulsar
Guys, which is the "record" for now for heat run?
forest marsh
153 is the highest I've seen confirmed
vivid pulsar
Is there a screen etc? Just to see weapon or so
forest marsh
Tailesque posted the run in #self-promotion
vivid pulsar
Oh thanks :)
pearl willow
it's almost always going to be shield usually favoring athena/artemis.
vivid pulsar
Yeah I got the game 4days ago, but can't seem I can go higher than 80/90 with rail
Never tried shield a lot though
mighty ermine
absolutely recommend shield for high heat, yeah
blazing cobalt
I can't give feedback :<
Anyway, I believe there is a bug when firing the gun weapon with shotgun upgrade right after a dash it fires 2 shots in rapid succession, which it doesn't do otherwise. I like it, maybe it's a keeper. It feels like the 2 shotgun shots fired right after a dash use the fire rate of the regular machine gun instead of the shotgun.
If someone could move this message to the appropriate channel it'd be appreciated <3
atomic panther
Check the pinned messages in #hades-feedback, they should detail how to post feedback
iron wolf
Can the room re-roll ever give a boon? So far for me it has only cycled through skulls, keys, and darkness
pearl willow
that sounds more like the dash attack and the regular attack simply firing in rapid succession which is normal
median ridge
the shotgun dash attack is not a bug, that is intended
blazing cobalt
The dash attack is the same as the regular attack and they're triggering in succession?
atomic panther
There are two different pools of room rewards, as marked by the laurels around the bubble. The first pool is permanent rewards: Keys, Darkness, Ambrosia, and Heat. The second is run-specific items such as boons, hammers, gold, and hearts
Poms fall into the second pool as well, and food (available as a room reward through Heat Gates) is in the first
Shops and Sisyphus/Fallen Warrior rooms can fall into either pool, I believe, and any room reward can be placed into a Healing Fountain room
iron wolf
So if there are laurels I can re-roll for other run-specific items, and it cannot re-roll into permanent rewards?
atomic panther
Blue laurels are for Darkness/Keys etc. and Gold laurels are for Boons/Hearts etc.
iron wolf
Ah, thank you!
errant narwhal
@blazing cobalt bugs can be reported in game by pressing F10, by the way! The feedback channel is only for feedback
@wanton raptor i use the bow with artemis keepsake in tartarus, athena in asphodel and collar in elysium
it hasnt failed me yet
wanton raptor
so sorry btw
okay i shall try
i need cheesy-easy builds because my hands hurt a lot
after one run (cause of insane carpal tunnel)
errant narwhal
aw, you should rest it;;
i heard sword special is nuts with the right hammer upgrades tho
trim ingot
instant nova + athena special
unkempt pagoda
instant nova in general
pastel jolt
btw, just in case anyone is still confused
gold laurel door on the left, blue laurel door on the right
wanton raptor
wat
whole acorn
i suddenly feel so daft for never having spotted that 😛
pseudo ocean
Same
wanton raptor
what am i missing here
whole acorn
its like the first time i saw a money pot and was sitting there going "Oh so THATS why some give me cash sometimes!"... I am not a clever man 😛
@wanton raptor the wee bits next to the symbol are gold / blue, if its blue its a permanent item like darkness
rugged apex
gold/yellow laurels on a reward mean it's Temporary and doesn't carry over across runs
unkempt pagoda
gold laurels are run-only stuff (boons, poms, etc), blue laurels are resources (darkness, keys, etc)
rugged apex
...no I don't
wanton raptor
ohh
rugged apex
...no I don't
pastel jolt
sorry
pseudo ocean
lol
pastel jolt
now, if i switch my brain on and actually read,
whole acorn
happens to the best of us from time to time, dont worry 😛
rugged apex
I hadn't noticed this so it's actually kinda neat
pastel jolt
listen today has been tough and i just stressed myself out over making food for my brother when normally i never cook for other people, i'm allowed to have a momentary brain oopsie
unkempt pagoda
also re: god pools being set per run
i've accurately predicted getting an artemis boon after rerolling ares many times, so i thought the pools were hard-coded
pastel jolt
aaaaanyway: it occurs to me that, uh, "laurel" is not a common word in english, so if anyone's not sure what it refers to then it's the leaf-looking things on the sides of the bubble
unkempt pagoda
maybe some pools are more likely than others?
trim ingot
i think gods are split into two pools
pastel jolt
but yes, the gold ones are poms, boons, gold, hearts; the blue ones are heat, darkness, ambrosia, keys
rugged apex
also yeah it feels like the god pools are kinda set? because I never seem to get certain combinations of gods
pastel jolt
shops and sisy/pat rooms are tricksy and can show up as either
unkempt pagoda
there's a chance that the pools might be set per run instead of being the exact same pools each time
trim ingot
shop is moneybag
unkempt pagoda
which would explain why athena has shown up in both pools for me
pastel jolt
ooh, actually, i have a graphic somewhere that shows all the room rewards and explains what they are
trim ingot
it's the after boss end room that has the same icon as friendly npc rooms
pastel jolt
jan are you...... replying to a ghost
unkempt pagoda
but that being the case, ares-artemis-aphro happen way too often for the pools to be randomly set per run
trim ingot
yeah the ghost of poor reading comprehension
rugged apex
ex; I never get artemis+dionysus
pastel jolt
unkempt pagoda
unless they're just weighted differently
trim ingot
by me,
pastel jolt
(fun fact i made this entirely for that "thanks, chaos" goof)
unkempt pagoda
yessss
trim ingot
thanks chaos
pastel jolt
it's mildly outdated because the 'sisyphus' room icon is also used for pat rooms in elysium, but.
unkempt pagoda
if you add in the gold/blue laurel explanation you could pin it!!!
trim ingot
oh is it a boulder
pastel jolt
it's bouldy + the three things sisy can give you
red for health, purple for darkness, gold for, uh, gold,,
but yeah i'll probably remake the graphic
trim ingot
and here i was with my monkey brain "haha funny icon thing shiny"
pastel jolt
split the sides based on gold/blue
i'm definitely keeping the "thanks chaos" goof tho
unkempt pagoda
heh the eye has two eyes
pastel jolt
two eyes inside a larger eye
rugged apex
i missed that... dangit chaos
pastel jolt
y'know, i still wanna confirm iff there's any weight to the idea of the placement of the 
symbol regarding whether it's a miniboss or a regular-room-but-tougher you're about to enter
i keep meaning to keep track of it when i play but i always forget
pearl willow
gonna bet on no
pseudo ocean
I think Zag mentions in the game that the bull miniboss room looked like a normal room
pastel jolt
he does?
pseudo ocean
Yeah, during one of the conversations with the bull
The bull says that you've challenged me by entering my room, and Zag says that it looked like any normal room and that he didn't mean to enter and challenge him
pastel jolt
i don't mean in the game's lore, though
i mean in a gameplay sense
here - these are two exits of the same room
pseudo ocean
I understand. I think the icons have identical placement throughout. I think it's sort of meant to "trick" you into entering and getting rekt
trim ingot
ehh for me it's a rough intuition of the miniboss showing up in the middle of the zone
pseudo ocean
I always forget and stumble upon him. Every. Time.
pearl willow
they're both just the miniboss (or rather bosses for Tartarus). potentially different iterations but i think they're the same encounter.
pastel jolt
here, i went and flipped the poseidon door to better illustrate my point
though i'm going to laugh so hard if it turns out this is actually some kind of bug and i'm over here pepe-sylvia-ing my way through the whole mess
wanton raptor
god forking damnit ! I was so close at the final boss haha
coarse hare
I've always run into mini-bosses when the reward is a boon, and when it's darkness it's always just stronger regular enemies
trim ingot
unenlightening data
i know there's nothing in here that actually disproves it but it seems like the skull position just depends on which way it's facing
pastel jolt
🤔 wonder why it's so far off to the side if it's facing that way then
trim ingot
↙ facing trial of gods have the skull in the center
pearl willow
yeah, if there's a skull and the reward is a boon then it's a miniboss. the only other skull rooms are trials, heat gates and double darkness. i dont really think there's any ambiguity.
quartz remnant
Oh, so there's no ! rooms for Asphodel? I was wondering if I was missing something.
median ridge
i hope they’ll put one in asphodel someday
pseudo ocean
Same here. Or make the final area have extra characters to make up for it.
pastel jolt
kicks my legy up real far
trim ingot
fantastic
grand patrol
(thanks, chaos)
pseudo crow
doing the gods’ work right here
pearl willow
you can sometimes re-roll charon's shop iirc. i think you only cannot re-roll the 'set' ones at the end of each zone.
mighty ermine
was about to say the same thing as waffle
unkempt pagoda
this will be uh a real boon
mighty ermine
charon shops can sometimes be rerolled into lone rooms with a boon or a pom, etc.
forest marsh
No love for the Erebus food exit option? 
For real though, that's a great chart Sparrow!~
pastel jolt
at some point i had to stop trying to cram information in or else it was going to be unreadable
also i did have a food room show up in asphodel the other day which threw me for a loop
but yeah i figured, uh, general info would be the best for something like this
rugged apex
there's space for a nice Warm, Orange god boon. hmm.
trim ingot
🌞
forest marsh
A food room in Asphodel? 
I didn't think that was possible
Unless they've changed it, you can reroll hidden preview rooms, but you don't get to see what it's rerolling to
pastel jolt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rugged apex
incidentally, of hera, demeter, hestia, apollo, hephaestus, and hermes, which of them would you associate with the color orange?
pseudo crow
WOAH....FOOD ROOM
manic ermine
Apollo is yellow/orange for me
pseudo ocean
I've never seen a food room. Didn't know they existed honestly. Crazy
manic ermine
But have you seen the elusive Nothing Room (It had a heart inside)
https://imgur.com/fgMhk8x
pastel jolt
oh! that just means the bubble has loaded on top of the reward instead of behind it
it's like.......... like a sandwich.
no it makes sense ok
the way the room reward thing works is that there's the background bubble, then the reward, and then the shiny bit and the laurels go on top
forest marsh
Food rooms, to the best of my knowledge, are only supposed to be an exit option from Erebus which is some people probably don't know about them
rugged apex
you can see it covers the laurel yeah
pastel jolt
so if it loads in the wrong order then your sandwich looks gross
forest marsh
I'm not sure if they've changed it or it's a bug for sparrow's run
pastel jolt
you just need to quit to main menu and then load back in and it fixes itself
i actually had it happen in the same run as i got the asphodel foodroom
mighty ermine
forbidden lava snacks
rugged apex
oh I just got artemis after dio
hm. I guess it's just Randomness
pressure points doesn't seem to apply to the DoT damage from blight strike. this is a shame.
pseudo ocean
Do all God combinations have duo boons or is it just certain combos? I see them from time to time but not very often. About the same frequency as legendary boons really.
rugged apex
some do, most don't
terse girder
I hate Theseus with a passion
forest marsh
Then he's working as intended 
terse girder
Am I supposed to focus him or Asterius?
forest marsh
Yeah, I'd say it's preference
terse girder
I've been going after Asterius first so far but even the two times I've managed to kill him theseus snipes me to death
Asterius is cool tho
Cool sense of humor
pseudo ocean
I personally kill Asterius first because Thesius just blocks everything anyway
terse girder
I like him
forest marsh
If you can manage it, I like doing both equally to reduce the amount of perma-rage time
terse girder
Yeah I can't manage it
forest marsh
I feels real good to take them out within a few seconds of each other
terse girder
I got there with the fast-slash hammer boon for the sword and a legendary attack boon from Artemis and I still got bloody destroyed
pseudo ocean
It's difficult. You can't stop dashing and you have to get a feel for their patterns.
terse girder
Yeah, that's my problem in general
I play like it was Dark Souls so I try to either spam or keep my dash
forest marsh
Aside from learning their patterns, my biggest piece of advice is to use the posts and their bodies against them
terse girder
I'll try
By the way, how is the shield supposed to be used? It feels like the attack is worse that the sword's and the throw is worse than the spear's, so I can't see a good reason to use
forest marsh
Bull rush for days
pseudo ocean
To get some practice in, you may want to try taking the shield with Aphrodite weak and the leveled up bracer relic. Keep weak on them and bull rush, don't get hit from behind, they will do little damage to you. Relatively speaking.
Weak + bracer is supposedly 80% ~ 90% damage reduction when hit from the front
forest marsh
@terse girder Here, I fired up Hades and made a quick little demo of Shield Use 101 https://streamable.com/qes8y
pseudo ocean
I use it when I get hammer support for it
forest marsh
It's the only way to use shield at high levels of Heat, and is just straight up the most DPS you can do with it
It's high mobility, insane damage reduction, and high damage output ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Most of the time you won't do full charges of the bull rush
Unless you have time to kill
terse girder
Actually I just realised I use it to block the projectile spam by the furies
But that's really it
trim ingot
i am not gud but i do love mirage flight so i can chuck the shield and keep bull rushing
though i'm sure other bull rush upgrades are more powerful
definitely take armor shredder when you get it
forest marsh
Sudden Rush 
mighty ermine
dashing wallop is my absolute fave just from how often i weave in dashes after rushes
forest marsh
Yeah, I like to end my bullrush with a dash attack
lost rose
i like combining the "two hits from one attack" with crit chance boons
twice the chance >:3c
mighty ermine
er, right haha, i meant dash attacks
it would be neat if the double attack upgrade worked on bull rush as well
hard holly
Bull Rush is by far the best part of shield
Even moreso with Sudden Rush and Minotaur Rush
Or the forbidden combination of both
somber epoch
I miss old minotaur rush
hard holly
... what
Old Minotaur rush sucked
It was slow, clunky and not worth it
New one is hella dope
somber epoch
I just want big chonk damage on my bull rush
hard holly
Minotaur Rush does that
somber epoch
Whats the damage multiplier on the power shot for mino rush?
hard holly
I mean, thats what it does
It gives you some of the biggest numbers
Not as much as previously, but all damage is down overall
pastel jolt
i should try and get better at shield 🤔
somber epoch
I liked having a slower charge speed as an option
pastel jolt
also would it be egotistical of me to pinne my room reward graphic just so that it's there for people to refer to
hard holly
Youre not forced to let go of it
And yeah shield is hella fun if you gear up the bullrush
Shame Asterius has no voiceline for it
somber epoch
When i go shield i like looking for dashing wallop if i can find it
mighty ermine
dashing wallop has been the most important one in my high heat runs, honestly
namely 153, etc
somber epoch
Put an athena attack on it and deflect everything
hard holly
Yeah
I prefer getting both of the rushes
But when I had it and Minotaur rush it was still dope
mighty ermine
mino and fast rush are good, but i don't necessarily need em super badly
yeah, fast and mino together are a blast
rugged apex
fast is the stronger of the two imo
somber epoch
Now all we need is a hammer that allows for zag to ride his shield
rugged apex
just because less downtime!
somber epoch
On a completely diff topic i wish Poseidon worked better against bosses
rugged apex
yeah. only rupture really does anything and most bosses don't move fast enough to make it matter
pseudo ocean
Same, I have done almost full Poseidon builds that were a blast to play but once I got to bosses it was a slog. Needs to be fixed.
forest marsh
Asterius and Razor Shoals is fun
hard holly
I mean, his damage is just high as is
somber epoch
Asterius is no trouble with shoals
hard holly
Though the on-knockback boons do suffer from that
Regular boons however are just Athena minus the deflect which is not great, but hardly gamebreaking
somber epoch
Its buff boi theseus that is annoying
pastel jolt
asterius with razor shoals: you jsut hear him going "ow ow ow ow ow ow ow" under his breath a whole lot whenever he charges
eternal stag
i found posidon's wrath to be super good versus hydra and the elysium bosses, but i'm not playing with any heat to be fair
rugged apex
yeah, razor shoals is real good against asterius and like, basically just him
since he's the only boss that moves at speed for any notable duration
forest marsh
It's ok with the Furies, too
forest marsh
Practice and lots of resets
somber epoch
And luck?
rocky goblet
What's under the tablecloths?
rugged apex
I hope you find that out for yourself.
rocky goblet
teal helm
Is the reward from a victorious run always Darkness? Or does it change? (I've only had 1 so far.)
lost rose
It's always darkness
teal helm
Thanks
pearl willow
it could just be luck or i may just be imagining it but i swear it feels like Eye of Lamia is sometimes limited to only spawning to pieces of food in a chamber.
two pieces*
autumn python
Are the bone hydra's heads different colors based on what attacks they make?
forest marsh
The food is always there, it's just in the two pots on either side
rugged apex
ohhhhhhhhhhhh
forest marsh
They tend to get broken in combat without you realizing, though
autumn python
what shades are they supposed to be? i am slightly colorblind and just want to make sure i am seeing it correctly before i post on the feedback page?
forest marsh
RE: Hydra heads, from the wiki:
Melee (White): Ground-slam similar to main head, but with smaller radius
Ranged (Pink): Spits pools of lava on the ground
Support (Green): Spits orbs with 50hp which spawn a Bloodless unless destroyed within 5 seconds
Control (Red): Releases wave attacks in Zagreus's direction which deal 7 damage and push back on contact
If you're red/green colourblind, I can see how those might all blend together
autumn python
its... a weird colorblindness...
its called light sensitivity (or atleast that is what I was told it was called) and colors tend to fade out after looking at screens a lot. the closer the colors the faster they blend
forest marsh
Ah, that would make it troublesome
autumn python
short breaks periodically help, but i literally just realized they were different colors...
I only ever saw redish ones and greenish ones
forest marsh
It would be nice, for a colourblind person, if the enemies had textural differences. I gather that's a common solution in games
By enemies in this instance I mean the Hydra heads
Most of the enemies are quite different, aside from that
autumn python
some, sometimes that solution can be too tedious to fix (every enemy and surface would have to be distinguishable in greyscale in that case)
Some games just have a number of different color selections for the different kinds of colorblindness
bold sinew
Hello there.
I have posted this on the Hades subReddit with some success so I though of suggesting it here.
The hammer is very a important upgrade to your build and, knowing it early, really helps in defining what boon to pick so, here comes my suggestion:
Could we have an option in the mirror, that we can add Darkness to, to have the hammer spawn in the 1st Room?
This would help in making the 1st few rooms more fun and give a direction to a run.
What do you guys think ?
autumn python
I think this belongs in feedback... but I dont hate the idea
lost rose
i feel like...the more randomness you remove the less it's like a roguelike??
rugged apex
a keepsake that force-spawns the hammer might be nice
lost rose
part of playing a roguelike is that RNG has a lot of say over what happens
rugged apex
but it might be too much? idk
lost rose
several people are typing oh no
pearl willow
good god thanatos encounters in elysium can be brutal, that one was 83 exalted and most of them elite. and i swear there's something weird about charm in elysium, i used my aphro wrath and took 500 from an archer. i think.
somber epoch
But hades doesnt really rely on rng ro procide fun
autumn python
even just force spawning a hammer in tartarus would be nice
lost rose
i'm just saying it's kind of a staple of the genre
forest marsh
I think more often than not I get my first hammer in Tartarus already, and quite often in the first room as well
lost rose
not that that means anything necessarily, but
feral pumice
I just got to a trove promising me up to 0 gold for a key. Should I do it for science?
forest marsh
Sounds like you have a Chaos curse active
lost rose
hahaha do you have a chaos curse
bold sinew
How do I post it on Feedback?
lost rose
Check the pinned post in that channel
forest marsh
Check the pinned post(s) in the #hades-feedback channel 
autumn python
If i dont get a hammer in the first room i normally dont get one until asphodel then
forest marsh
That just sounds like bad RNG 
I've certainly had runs where I don't get a hammer until Asphodel, but they are the minority
Very rarely I won't get one until Elysium
bold sinew
it says that I don't have permission to post it there
forest marsh
You have to read the pinned post(s) for instructions on how to post. Click the pin icon with the red dot at the top of Discord
bold sinew
thank you
forest marsh
But the pin in that channel, not this one ('cause there's pins everywhere)
lost rose
@odd totem If there's a particular type of head you really dislike - I saw you mention the lava spouts in particular - you can always target those heads first when clearing your safe spot
forest marsh
The head spawning points are also telegraphed by splashes in the lava
odd totem
i thought the lava spouts were random occurrences from off stage.
forest marsh
So if you see a splash, then you know a head is spawning there
odd totem
also the wave heads are my least favorite
lost rose
There's a long delay between head spawns now too
forest marsh
Yeah, they come in groups of two now, right?
lost rose
So if you see bubbles in the lava, you can target the early-spawning heads first to make a spot for yourself
forest marsh
Definitely if you're having a hard time in Hydra, find a reliable source of deflect
This will vary depending on the weapon you're running
Dash is overall pretty good
trim ingot
dash is always good
forest marsh
For bow, deflect on special
trim ingot
can you block purple waves with shield
odd totem
I've been finding myself partial to Dionysus and Aphrodite
forest marsh
Shield... well, no super great options for deflect here, they're all about as effective as the other
You can block the waves with shield, yes
Just be careful on the angle
trim ingot
bull rush good
forest marsh
Sword special deflect is good
lost rose
relentless barrage bow special deflect good
forest marsh
Rail deflect on special is fun but not super reliable unless you are very familiar with attack patterns, attack is fine for wide things like the waves though
Spear deflect on attack is fine, especially with spin (if you have timing), but on special is ok too
lost rose
Just not in the game yet
vale sphinx
Is there literally anything that combos with ares? I normally try to do artemis + Zeus or Athena, and with nearly anything I can work it into the build reliably, but Ares seems to always just lock out better options without ways to combo stuff.. Am I missing something?
forest marsh
Artemis and Ares is the only Duo for Ares right now, if that's what you mean
odd totem
If you get Doom on attack + the one that gives you extra damage for extra stacks of doom, that's really powerful with anything that has fast attack speed.
forest marsh
If you just mean builds in general, though...
Ares + Aphro used to be an OP combo, but they removed the part that made it OP
I haven't played enough since then to get a good feel for other good Ares combos
vale sphinx
I mean if it takes 2 boons with ares to get what 1 boon on zeus gives me, and arguably better, I’m not sure if it’s something to bother with?
Doomstacks seem like an over complicated way of doing zeus lightning on hit
To be fait though, I only primarily play Bow and sometimes Rail, so maybe on other weapons it’s better?
eternal stag
doom is a status effect also
odd totem
well, on a recent run i had doom stacks with the shotgun modifier, and my doom procs were doing like 200+ every time
so it's pretty good
i'd say
eternal stag
and it takes a secondary zeus boon to make lightning proc status effects
vale sphinx
Oh the shotgun one sounds delicious
If only there was like a way to see what hammer upgrades I get before taking any boons hm
odd totem
I'd really love a trinket that guarantees you a hammer upgrade
or at least like
there's always a shop with a hammer upgrade in Tartarus
feels like whether or not you get a hammer makes or breaks a run
for several weapons
forest marsh
I disagree with guaranteed hammer scenario, but I've already voted on that so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Whether getting the hammer breaks the run or not sounds like a balance issue with the weapon to me, and not an issue of getting the hammer
vale sphinx
I mean it sucks so much to stack buffs on buffs on your special to only get attack hammer upgrades
forest marsh
That is, treating the symptom and not the cause
odd totem
well it's more about build selection
like, for instance.
I dont like the bow
until I get a hammer
then I like the bow
I'm not a fan of the spear, until I get the hammer
then I'm all about the spear
It's not like, a pure strong vs weak balance question
it's about having more build control, being able to play how you want to without gambling for RNG on something that's such a core element
forest marsh
Rail, for instance, is in my opinion not viable without at least one hammer
Shield, on the other hand, could go the whole run (heat notwithstanding) with no hammers and be fine
That to me is a balance issue
odd totem
yeah i suppose
But also am i the only one who doesn't think shield the all that?
It's really FUN
but it doesn't seem straight op to me
forest marsh
I disagree, but that's just my opinion. That's mostly due to the damage changes, I used to consider bow the top weapon before Elysium and the additive damage change
lost rose
I run shield whenever I want to play fast without worrying about dying, like, at all
You're invulnerable through the entire bull rush
plus the shield has 3 or 4 very good daedalus upgrades
if you get an athena boon on your attack you never have to worry about anything ever again basically
the special is underwhelming imo but when the bull rush is just as faster or faster than the dash at getting you out of trouble AND it makes you invulnerable...
not to mention wall-smashing
and knocking asphodel enemies into the lava
forest marsh
Again, opinion, but I think shield is the only weapon currently feasible for high heat. While that's not the same balancing concerns as no heat, it is telling in regard to it's strength
lost rose
bow still has a special place in my heart for sheer dps
forest marsh
I guess, as ven mentioned, bull rush is really what makes shield so OP
lost rose
but shield is safe and you can play really sloppily and still do fine
forest marsh
I think I'd rather see the other weapons brought up in some way to match the shield, than to see the shield nerfed, though
median ridge
everyone has their own weapons that they can do really well with
forest marsh
There's still some skill involved in using bullrush effectively, but the biggest thing is the damage change has hurt the other weapons far more than the shield
If heat isn't factored in, then I absolutely agree that any weapon can be successful
That's just a balancing issue that the devs will have to decide what to do about. Maybe it's fine that not every weapon can succeed at very high levels of play
median ridge
yeah that's fair. i don't play with heat at all so i'm not acquainted with the Meta™
feral pumice
I feel like Supergiant has never been about difficulty so having the shield be an easy option is fine.
pseudo crow
idk why but i've never been that good w the shield....like, i'm able to get pretty far but i don't think that's because i know what i'm doing hahaha
vivid pulsar
I'd like to see all weapons be able to get to high heat, and not just one...
Or make leaderboards separated for each weapon... That would be very good imo
And would also make the game more popular I think, being able to "compete"
Don't know if actually a lraderboard is in the plans anyway
vale sphinx
But what would you compare? Like, run time? I’d argue different weapons take different amounts of time to clear rooms.
Like, average length of the run in rooms? I’d say that’s skill and preference reliant more so than weapon-specific
I just don’t really see a metric that would allow comparing weapons in a leaderboard fashion
lost rose
Not to mention the RNG factor
vale sphinx
^ this
lost rose
a very skilled player on a weapon they love can still have a really hard time if their boons and hammers don't line up right
vale sphinx
Unrelated question: do artemis boons that buff crits (like freak accident), buff guaranteed crits from daedalous like third sword strike or spear return?
lost rose
🤔 i wouldn't think so, since duo boons are usually about the boons working together
vale sphinx
What about marked condition?
vale sphinx
I think that could be really fun with enough luck
vivid pulsar
What I meant was, a lraderboard for each weapon, higher heat wins over lower time. Same heat, then wins the lower time (run time)
livid coyote
Beat Theseus & Asterios for the first time and it was with maybe my least favorite weapon - the Bow. I think the only times I used the standard attack during that run were by accident.
turbid needle
I usually don't care much about the Cast, but ended up with Hunting Blades last run by pure accident and wow that's a nice boon. That thing just eats through enemies, especially those annoying shield eternals. Gotta play around with it some more before it gets nerfed into the ground ^^
mighty badge
Do the chaos chambers count as rooms for the purpose of progressing towards the next boss?
nova shell
I believe they do, my rationale being they do give you +3 hearts when you enter (if you have the perma-buff for that) just like other chambers
lost rose
If you want to post in feedback, please read the pinned post in that channel for instructions on how to do so
nova shell
thanks
forest marsh
As far as a potential leaderboard goes, I think doing it the way Slay the Spire does would be good. You get a score at the end, with your choices along the way having a set point value. Some ideas for things to score could be
Regular chambers cleared
Challenge/elite/miniboss chambers (higher value)
"Free" chambers (lower value)
Regular enemies killed
Elites killed
Bosses killed
Clear time (faster = more points, probably incremental thresholds)
Money collected
Chaos curses received
Heat active (incremental per heat)
Max health
Specialty scores for things like spend x amount, finish with less than x max health, collect more than x amount of money, any number of other crazy scenarios worth noting
And then each weapon would have its own leaderboard
somber epoch
amount of times player attempted to gift dusa when hearts were maxed out
somber epoch
and bouldy
grand patrol
thats a funny way to spell sisyphus
pure fox
lost rose
weird i could've sworn it said patroclus
terse girder
We should be able to gift Asterius
wanton raptor
: (
I died again 😦
Fighting to Theseus😦
I had a good build and their hp was really low !
but bam , zeus called down lightning smh
turbid needle
What heat distribution and what weapons are good for going 120 heat runs?
mighty ermine
shield is extremely good for high heat runs like 120
heat distribution can vary a lot depending on whether you want all or nothing in vicious torment, or somewhere inbetween, etc.
proud storm
for some reason i do better with the spear than with the shield on high heat runs
though i havent cleared a 120 heat run with elysium yet
mighty ermine
oh nice; that's good to hear that you can make spear work so well
i definitely need more practice with it haha
and justin; this is the highest pact i've had success with so far, but for 120 you can get rid of death insurance, grim inevitability, and whipped frenzy entirely, for example https://i.imgur.com/tIpq9Eh.png
and some others prefer nothing in vicious torment as i've said. all up to how you wanna tackle it
i'm also personally super avoidant of veil, but it's a meaty source of heat if you wanna go for that
proud storm
i never touch tenebrous veil even with a 10-foot pole
pearl willow
i can usually handle one level of it but two sounds awful
median ridge
question: if i give up a run and then switch keepsakes, does that alter the seed?
pastel jolt
no
fun fact, it also won't alter the type of boons you get, if you got a god boon in the first room
like if i take zeus keepsake and he offers me attack/special/dash, and then i switch to, say, athena, she's also going to offer attack/special/dash
median ridge
athena give me your special challenge
somber epoch
hm?
median ridge
i got instant nova in the first room, and athena keeps refusing to let me put her boon on that
terse girder
Is there any point to giving ambrosia to characters other than the keepsake?
somber epoch
more codex info
terse girder
Well, I'm 8 chambers in and I have: Ares Cast and Wrath, Athena dash and special, and the sword's instant nova. This is the run
somber epoch
play projectile tennis with your enemies and watch them crumble
terse girder
I'm pretty much just spamming the special honestly
terse girder
Currently stuck at trying to kill bloody Theseus
somber epoch
took me a few tries
icy edge
@proven ibex regarding your skill level, put in max heat into enemy damage, then see if its darkness alone that get you to the beef bros
terse girder
Can the sword's special backstab?
bright mulch
Theseus is real tough, but I found Poison stuff makes the fight a lot easier in general if only for making it a lot easier to get the double debuff damage boost
terse girder
Ok, I have TWO duo boons, the athena/instant nova synergy, and like 6 death defies.
I refuse to lose this boosfight.
bright mulch
Do you have the boon that gives you extended invul on revive?
terse girder
I wish
bright mulch
Shame, Depending on the build it can lead to some wacky fights lol
terse girder
That's the one thing Athena completely decided not to give me
I have the Ares/Artemis cast and the crit on deflect boons though
bright mulch
Sick
For theseus it basically made my shield run against them into a total slugfest
I would just die then get back up and mash attack for max dps
was neat, thought that run was a goner esentially
somber epoch
die -> win is my favorite combo
terse girder
Rekt them
somber epoch
wow that was quick
terse girder
Bloody hell, the boon that makes the enemies stay in Ares' cast is stupid good with that duo boon
I barely had to even use the special
terse girder
It was so stupid
I even pretty much just stayed all the fight in wrath mode thanks to it
pastel jolt
i had a run once where i had five ares casts with all the associated boons
it shredded
somber epoch
thats neat
bright mulch
That's some nice RNG
I feel like I never get a good doom build, I just end up with all the other Ares Boons and feel like I should have picked some other boon instead of the Doom one
balmy lantern
finally won for the second time, this game is i think the best roguelike ever, ive never been more engrossed in a game recently, nice job supergiant!
i wish there was a way to see how many hours youve played
for the past 3-4 days ive been doing nothing but playing hades haha
forest marsh
Rough estimation, I'm pretty sure I have over 100 hours into it
Just took my approximate number of runs and multiplied by my guess of average run time
balmy lantern
i must be around 20-30, i am trying to level up all the keepsakes, its a slow grind but so much fun
ah thats a nice method to approximate
i might try that
somber epoch
Its a very fun game, yeh
rocky goblet
Someones else hate Epic games store? :(
lost rose
#off-topic-discussion for discussing Epic please
faint sundial
ares artemis duo is probably the single strongest thing in the game right now.
i kinda expect some nerf to the numbers or tweak somehow
atomic panther
Ares is doomed to always be the strongest
faint sundial
i see what u did there.
i wish i could have experienced his duo boon with aphrodite
they really ought to have one, canonically....
turbid needle
It was insanely good against bosses
I think you can still roll back the updates?
Hmm or maybe not.
formal wyvern
Ares wrath seems pretty insane
Or maybe it's just the hilarity of turning into a spinning blade that makes me love it
turbid needle
I kind of wish it had some invincibility cooldown after it times out so that I could feel like I get the most out of its dps
bright mulch
Feel the same for the Poseidon one too
Even though they give you the beeps to warn it feels like if you're not already in the clear you get hit
Like .5 sec so you can sadly dash out would be nice
pearl willow
speaking of
i knew i wasnt crazy thinking the invuln ended too early, finally got it on tape lol
trim ingot
so it ends on the third ding exactly
huh i thought it was like, one, two, three, you're done
lost rose
they changed the timing because it had been wonky before
trim ingot
as long as it's consistent it's just something you learn from experience
pearl willow
eh, im inclined to say if it costs 50 wrath then the effect should last for 50 wrath rather than 44 or whatever it is exactly.
odd totem
I’d just like wrath to charge faster in general. It feels like I only ever get to use it on a boss fight or in Elysian.
*Elysium
lost rose
Yeah, they nerfed its charge rate at higher damage outputs specifically because once you get to Elysium and are dealing pretty high damage, wrath was charging way too fast
I think people have commented on it in feedback
since that nerf came out
odd totem
yeah you just don’t get to use it before Elysium, so taking it over another boon feels bad
lost rose
yeah
trim ingot
oh i see, i didn't look at the bar
shadow peak
Yyyyyyyeeeeeeaaaaahhhh I see wrath boons activate so rarely that a lot of times I forget I even have them, so I usually avoid grabbing them unless they're an epic or something.
lost rose
Cleared all the way to theseus and asterius on my second run of a clean save...might've won if i'd taken athena dash instead of attack
pastel jolt
damnit ven stop twoclowning me :(
lost rose
i LOST
pastel jolt
@vital river If you have multiple points to make in your feedback, please leave them as separate messages! This means they can be voted on independently and therefore the response is more accurate!
vital river
@pastel jolt - Thank you, was considering it but I felt like they both kind of relayed the same message or at least were very connected. Will do in the future 😃
dense goblet
I think the damage and health of the champion duo is a little too much i dealt 216 critical with exploding spear launcher and only got Asterius as always and also the rush attack while Theseus is locking onto you for throw is akinda hard to avoid maybe its just me...beaten them only once since the update but always died to them in all my runs...what about you guys?
atomic wyvern
@dense goblet Use the Ares Cast build with artemis duo perk. That build really destroys him. You can also use the shield as a weapon. That is what most people use for high heat runs.
Also if you are standing behind a piller you won't get hit by a spear.
formal wyvern
I shredded him for the first time with Dio and Ares statuses
I definitely don't understand why Dio gets such a bad rap
atomic wyvern
Ehhh i feel like his poison doesn't really stay on long enough.
dense goblet
Yeah i know the well known built but its not fun if you go with the same that is why i asked about mix n matching with other boons and having success
atomic wyvern
Pluss you have to stack and they fall of pretty fast.
dense goblet
I also know about the pillars too bad asterius doesn't hit always the pillars to stop so i can hide sometimes he drifts around corners like a kart to hit you
One time i won I had athena and dio
formal wyvern
Maybe it just worked better with the hammer upgrades I had for the shield. The only other way I beat them so far was Ares cast
atomic wyvern
That isn't really the point. You just need to keep getting to that room and keep doing it over and over so you can get better.
dense goblet
But just once cause i was lucky to have six death defiances and the boost to their restoration by athena at epic
Also yeah that one time i used shield
formal wyvern
I hope the power of other weapons is brought up to the shield rather than it getting nerfs
atomic wyvern
I use the Dio and zues build
formal wyvern
Can someone explain how attack and dash canceling are supposed to work? Or maybe just why I had so much trouble getting the deflect on Athena's dash to work. Do you generally alternate dash and attack? I was getting into trouble when I tried to attack more and the dash button wasn't doing anything
I couldn't tell if it was a K&M being unresponsive problem or intended
It was with the shield if that matters
lost rose
Shield is probably the safest weapon choice, if you aren't using it already
Take Asterius down first; if you can, face him in the mini-boss fight in Elysium, it takes a big chunk out of his health later
damage over time boons like dionysus or ares can be helpful
round wing
ty
arctic harness
Hey, I was wondering if anybody else enjoys doing challenge runs with the tenebrous veil maxed out. I find that being locked into the options forces me to try things outside of my comfort zone, and I end up having a lot of fun with the unexpected combos.
formal wyvern
No tips on using Athena's dash? I see a lot of people rave about it
pastel jolt
i mean, it's pretty straightforward now that they've taken the pause off of it
lost rose
Deflect is less useful against theseus and asterius unless you have uhh
the deflect creates crit chance duo
using shield already protects you from them for the most part
hard holly
Yeah Athenas Dash just lets you deal with projectiles that little bit better
Plus it does decent damage
teal helm
Do deflect abilities work on the lasers from crystals? (They do work on the room trap arrows in Elysium, whoch is cool.)
forest marsh
Deflect has no effect on the lasers
covert grove
First speedrun under 11 minutes since the update fellas https://youtu.be/MbQUphsgnsU
formal wyvern
So would you recommend the cosmic egg for non speedruns? I just picked it up
teal helm
Some Chaos boons are pretty dope. There are several that boost Darkness rewards, which is good for farming
covert grove
Not necessarily, I think the other keepsakes have more to offer.
formal wyvern
The normal rare chance on them seems incredibly low. I've seen one that wasn't common
I want someone to make a keepsake analysis post on reddit. I don't see much talk about them
errant narwhal
"really not likely for this to do well now" *gets wr*
covert grove
Haha that's pretty much every run I've had
errant narwhal
i always have a laugh when i watch WR speedruns and runners say that
pseudo crow
it is always a good time for Egg
hard holly
Its reverse Psychology
Say that its not gonna do well, and youre gonna get all of the good RNG
I wonder if bow cant be faster
I guess you clear rooms real easy with sword special
covert grove
Sword special definitely dumbs down the gameplay, when spear was king it felt like there was a bit more finesse at least
hard holly
Bring back spear special
odd totem
Hey I'm missing 2 keepsakes, any way to figure out who they are?
I have a feeling they're the other 2 furies but i have no idea if they ever show up in the House.
errant narwhal
nope, they dont
odd totem
hmm
errant narwhal
send the pic here, i can help?
odd totem
Nope... i have those. one more to the right then
pastel jolt
third from the left on the top might be patroclus unless i'm counting it wrong
odd totem
my bad
errant narwhal
yeah, then him and poseidon
pastel jolt
woo
odd totem
i am pretty sure I have poseidon...
errant narwhal
can you send a screenshot anyway?
odd totem
anyone have a picture handy?
I will have to get thru Tartarus and past a fury before i can screenshot lol
errant narwhal
pastel jolt
then it's patroclus and poseidon
pastel jolt
who ELSE would have a SEASHELL keepsake
odd totem
and Patroclus is in Elysium right
errant narwhal
yep
pastel jolt
yup
odd totem
ugh
okay thanks guys appreciate it
Hey how does Jolted work
I dont understand if it procs on YOUR next attack, or THEIR next attack
it's confusing
rugged apex
theirs
plucky oxide
Almost. It's 1/2 of the debuffs needed to get some bonus damage output, and if I remember correctly it lasts a fair bit of time.
pastel jolt
actually, i don’t see a duration listed. it probably just lasts to their next attack
but if you’re hitting them a lot with whatever it is you have to proc jolted from then it’ll always be up anyways
plucky oxide
That's weird that it's 'consumable' like that.
pastel jolt
technically marked is also “consumable” like that
plucky oxide
The Artemis crit one?
pastel jolt
yeah
plucky oxide
So the crit consumes the proc, and refreshes another. Does it apply the mirror debuff effect to the proc'd move?
Same question applies to Curse
pastel jolt
now that i don’t know
pearl willow
dang, all of tartarus with no chaos and no heat gates, haven't had that happen in a while
odd totem
So, interesting combo
if you take Pulverizing Blow (double hit with shield, but no knockback) + Tempest Strike from Poseidon (Knock people away with attacks), it actually procs Tempest Strike twice, and knocks them away twice as far as without Pulverizing Blow.
forest marsh
Now add in Second Wave
teal helm
@safe trellis re: the Asphodel mid-boss, doesn't the big Gorgon/crushy-guy fight fill that slot?
median ridge
they don't have dialogue
feral pumice
I managed to get my base attack to over 200 damage.
pearl willow
well that was a more successful run than expected. rail with triple bomb aphrodite special + charm legendary and poseidon cast with +2 casts, quick reload, exit wounds, razor shoals and knockback twice legendary. invigorating blast is cool as a major damage boost to cast/exit wounds but man its hard to use.
atomic panther
"Consumable" status conditions that deal damage do count themselves for the purpose of Privileged Position. A Weak enemy who is Jolted takes 50% more from the Jolt (presuming 2 ranks in PP)
formal wyvern
What should I be looking for in sword run to get through Elysium? Had Dio/Aphrodite duel boon and Aphrodite legendary and still died just before the boss
*duo boon
Probably better to go with the standard Ares cast strat?
plucky oxide
Ares cast is an easy win, but I wouldn't call any cast run a weapon run.
Sword special is in a really good place right now, especially with the faster Special hammer
Understanding attack patterns and kiting without leaving or running out of melee is integral to most attack swordplay
formal wyvern
It definitely seems like hard mode compared to some other weapons
plucky oxide
Ares + Artemis duo cast runs are easycheese currently, and sword Special is insanely good
formal wyvern
I passed up the faster special hammer for the more powerful attack hammer...
plucky oxide
While I applaud you for taking what I consider to be the more fun option, I think you'll find a lot of success with an Athena special run.
Don't give up on sword attack though, it's really really awesome!
autumn tapir
what are you guys' 60 and 120 heat builds
pearl willow
do you mean how you setup the pact? or weapons/boons?
elfin pulsar
for 60 I've been doing all 30 of the anti-darkness one and random stuff
also I just switched my athena attack for a heroic artemis attack when I had world splitter and now I don't have worldsplitter
still have the buff but back to the normal combo
went back after a room, sweet
one crit does a whole hydra head health bar this is just gross
formal hill
hey so quesssssssstion
has anyone noticed that in the 3rd biome that if you have a mook poisoned and near a wall it wallslams it repeatedly?
😅
pearl willow
dashing is just plain good
dull berry
Why do you play Hades, y'all?
For the gameplay? Because it's fun being with others? To complete the run on highest heat ratio?
pastel jolt
gameplay fun, story good, characters good
i mean i don't imagine you're going to get any particularly unique answers out of people?
crisp briar
gameplay is smooth
I'm on 100 heat right now, I'm ending runs consistently with everything but the bow
bow still doesn't feel right, it doesn't allow you to flow like the other weapons do
I still blame it on the special, even with the buff I'm still not able to integrate it into how I play
errant narwhal
for the story first and foremost but it is very fun
crisp briar
it just doesn't work
I love the characters, but the story right now is very shallow
but I feel like it's normal
errant narwhal
yeah, i def include characters and the character interactions in "story"
theyre the best motivator for me to pick up the game again
errant narwhal
i am also a completionist, so i play to max out my mirror, my keepsakes, fill the codex, etc
you USED me for DATA COLLECTING??
jkjk i dont mind
dull berry
nah im not collecting data
errant narwhal
good luck with your essay
dull berry
im just trying to understand a player types theory
and i thought
"let's use these fine folk"
wonder if i could speak with sgg designers about reviewing or discussing it
errant narwhal
you could email them about it and ask?
but maybe the #ask-supergiant channel has some info that youll find useful as well
dull berry
where can i find this email
errant narwhal
dull berry
cheers
pearl willow
even with vicious skewer, heroic artemis special and like +160% special damage from two chaos boons... the spear special still isn't very impressive lol
dull berry
go for the
7 bump skewer
with poseidon passives and special
- artemis critical dmg boosts and chaos special damage
and see the world be unleashed before your very eyes
as everything goes flying
pearl willow
multi skewer is amusing but i dont dig on the long flight time or that it's much less effective against block. poseidon might fix that. i actually really liked the explosive throw just because it removed some of the plodding nature of it. you just throw throw throw, no more throw wait retrieve wait repeat.
dull berry
explisive does feel like you're hurling javelins everywhere
which is enjoyable
very enjoyable
there's a fun one, with the rail
where you get explosive bullets and rapid fire + more ammo
i get DOOM flashbacks everytime
west wren
proud storm
i play it because i like it when cool and awesome kindred spirits consort with one another
god the kindreding spiriting between achilles and patroclus... my heart
pastel jolt
ah, i see you too are a person of good taste, blaze
proud storm
why would you say something so widely accepted,
lost rose
it must needs be remarked
pastel jolt
people must be reminded daily
hard holly
Yeah Spear Special is bad now
Mostly because of the change to damage multipliers, means base damage is kind and well
Spears base damage is not great now
teal helm
Y'all, does Exit Wounds stack with Slicing Shot (turning Cast into a Blade Rift)?
median ridge
the most frustrating part of trying to go for a hunting blades build is when artemis starts offering you all her useless cast buffs for your blade rift...
pastel jolt
median ridge
it’s weird how artemis gives boons which are almost essential to cast builds but most of her boons don’t synergize with the most powerful casts
manic ermine
and her cast is one of the worst
pastel jolt
that's because it doesn't have a unique identity now that all casts home in on targets
teal helm
Except blade rifts
It stacks really well with those
you can turn tight spaces into a meat grinder
blazing cobalt
Is it just me or does the shield outclass the other weapons quite vastly?...
Wonder what the statistics say
pearl willow
its the easiest for me generally though any weapon can field a good cast build or has some boon/hammer combos that just work particularly well
dull berry
i have completed my essays
and now want to commit suicide
somebody get me a rusty spoon
pearl willow
rude, elysium giving me two doors and one is patroclus and the other is minotaur. opportunity cost 😦
dull berry
patroclus
pearl willow
in this case yeah, cant pass up a death defy when you've got last stand
median ridge
how much heat do you get for maxing out the darkness limiter?
forest marsh
30 if memory serves
dull berry
request to have the terrified begging laments of witches when you kill them
(i hate them so much)
scratch that
i want to hear them wail
pale bough
hey does anyone have any strats for the Theseus and asterius fight
trim ingot
apparently killing theseus first is better
lost rose
Oh imo killing asterius first is better
rugged apex
theseus has a much harder phase 2 imo
but if you kill him second he gets two chariots as backup as opposed to asterius's one
so I think it's better to kill him first
lost rose
i'd rather deal with chariots and second phase theseus than asterius and second phase theseus lol
rugged apex
it's pretty much up to preference/what you can deal with better.
lost rose
yup
rugged apex
(which is actually really good - most two-bosses-at-once fights have an obvious guy you want dead immediately)
(so one that's mostly up to how you specifically play and interact is pretty neat.)
bright mulch
I think theseus is vastly preferable to kill first but is much harder to do so because of his shield
lost rose
And because you can actually weaken Asterius before the fight
Makes him an easier target
bright mulch
On the flip side Asterius is much easier to kill and play around but doing so makes Thesesus second phase really annoying with chariotys
I find it best to focus on minotaur while still trying to soften up theseus
Get them dead around the same time basically so the extra adds aren't really an issue
Dio is really great for this purpose
Just cleared a run I thought I would lose 100%, swapped the Aphro dash for Dio Dash like 1 room before boss and made it much easier to maximize my last two stocks
Rest of the build was Bow special spam with deflect, worked great in first 2 areas but too slow for elesium
lost rose
Yeah...rip bow special
Enemies just move too fast for you to get in their faces and use it like a shotgun too
i haven't done a bow run in a while because shield is faster 🤔 i should
bright mulch
It works fine if you literally get right on top of them but dat risk be too high lol
Doing that in Area 3 is just a death sentance
lost rose
yeah, exactly. great on the hydra and nothing else lol
bright mulch
Indeed
cold oriole
omg lol
3 times in one run
i pony up for a chaos gate from the shop
and the room its in the next reward chamber is a hammer
or a really good buff
coarse hare
https://imgur.com/a/QnGRAvY a bit of an accidental cast build with blade rift. Surprisingly effective in Elysium. Blade rift dash + cast, then Artemis gave me +3 cast and 5% crit chance on any damage. From there I just kept trying to upgrade my blade rifts....blade rift doesn't care about Theseus's shield 😃 I was really hoping for the Artemis+Ares homing blade rift duo, but still pretty good without it.
The only downside is that it gets very hard to read the enemy attacks with all these blade rifts floating around....but I try to just cast a bunch then dash away
pearl willow
level 5 epic ares wrath + some damage from butterfly is pretty awesome. it was ticking for like 62 or 93 with privileged status applied. two of them did the bulk of the work on theseus/asterius.
bright mulch
neat
plucky oxide
I'd say Blade Rift is currently the strongest 'build' out there, mostly due to its potential damage, ease of use, and wide coverage of matchups. I've said it more than once now, but Hunting Blades is pretty much the best duo boon currently.
silent sable
Really surprise that they thought of that, but I tried to abuse the system and it didn't work :p I bought the shop item that makes foes drop healing items 15% of the time for 3 rooms and I tried to farm them during the hydra fight when they summon the skeletons, I tried for like 10min and they only dropped healing items ONCE per hydra head I found out, never more than that so you can't farm :p You can farm gold "forever" though.
And I think it's the same with every resummoning mobs, tried with the skulls and in Elysium when you don't finish the eye :)
pearl willow
i have no proof but the 'eye test' seems to me that there's almost something of a soft 2 item cap per chamber per eye effect - it feels like i frequently see two pieces of food drop pretty early in the encounter and then nothing for the rest of it
mystic haven
I find the iteration time on this game to be unbearable. I get having to start all over again, but the stuff you get to kind of ease the process is not really helpful. Getting back to where you failed can take several tries, and you may not even have a decent build. It's engaging without being a whole lot of fun. Even the moment-to-moment fights are getting boring and grindy.
somber epoch
@mystic haven id say the mirror upgrades are invaluable
somber epoch
@pseudo ocean it used to be a different setup before wrath was introduced, i dont think its set in stone (for the gun reload button i mean)
analog sail
Also we have customizable controls. I personally switched it to L3 cause I already have the finger on it
median ridge
had a run with both hunting blades and deadly reversal....artemis why are you so perfect
pseudo ocean
Thanks for letting me know. I will switch it in the game options.
odd totem
Finally lol. I've finally unlocked everything (sans mirror). Took me forever to get Patrocles' trinket because every time I got to Elysium I just wouldn't get his room
lost rose
I think - but haven't confirmed - that if you take a mid-Elysium Charon shop, Pat won't show up
median ridge
managed to clear a run on the 4th attempt of a fresh save. y’all are right about the shield. it’s so good against the boss
lost rose
r i g h t
atomic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/582424434959450133/unknown.png
Y'all ever try to beat 120 heat for so long that you end up farming a whole 9000 darkness without realizing it
Because I had 3 Fated Authority when I started
Wait I actually had 3 Fated Authority with around 3000 darkness, meaning I farmed over 10000 before giving up on it (I got 60 heat tho)
rugged apex
upgrade your shadow presence...
vale sphinx
“As if millions of backstabs cried out in terror”
heavy vapor
am I right in thinking that the gods you've already seen make it less likely to see some gods, and more likely to see others?
it certainly feels that way, but I'm unsure about sample size
lost rose
There is a little bit of RNG drift based on duo boons and what gods you've already seen, I think, yeah
heavy vapor
yea... I've rarely seen Poseidon
heavy vapor
oh, to elaborate
I tend to pick boons that work with whatever weapon is dark thirsted
poseidon's boons don't feel as useful as others for a lot of the weapons
the push can be kinda awkward
and I think his only duo is zeus atm
frank dew
hes got some with dionyss aswell
heavy vapor
I thought dionysus only had duos with zeus and aphrodite
i've not seen others so far
with dio i mean
frank dew
nvm im wrong posiodon only got with zeus according to the wiki
pearl willow
fyi since i saw mention of this earlier, i just went from charon to minotaur to patroclus in elysium so i dont think any of them preclude the appearance of the others
trim ingot
poseidon/dio boon with some kinda 'wine dark sea' pun name 🙏
eternal stag
^ PLEASE .....
grand patrol
AAAAA
heavy vapor
Supergiant you can have that one; I won’t sue if you use it I swear
Poseidon/Aphrodite: Motion of the ocean
unkempt pagoda
hmmm what would it do tho
autumn tapir
enemies that are wall slammed become weak?
gray plume
it's actually sad we can't buy key,ambrosia or skull from Charon
pastel jolt
you used to be able to buy ambrosia from him
frankly i'm pleased because when i go into a shop i want things that will help me in that run
unkempt pagoda
enemies that are wall slammed have the effects of festive fog
somber epoch
what if you could buy obols from charon
gray plume
yeah but when you play for shadow or what, you'r objective isnt to go far as possible everytime, sometime you want to farm key for weapon or what
unkempt pagoda
then you go for the chambers with keys
pastel jolt
👒
unkempt pagoda
it's not like there's a short supply of them
gray plume
Charon is not a shop in a room it's actually a whole map for only 3 choice, dont tell me there is no room for 3 "run stuff" and then 3 "farm stuff"
gray plume
i mean, when you see gold room that give 75 and anything else you know they have more value because of their price from Charon, we never pick gold room because Charon isnt actually attractive enough right ? that could also make gold room more attractive
pastel jolt
i mean, speak for yourself. the only rooms i actively do not pick unless i have to are heart rooms because i live dangerously
median ridge
shop is very good
heavy vapor
There’s so many boons that scale off of max HP
The only one that comes to mind that doesn’t is after party
Arguably that scales better with lower HP but good damage reduction
gray plume
yeah you'r right, that my point of view, maybe i lack of experience even if i unlock everything, i can be wrong that only how i feel about gold and charon chamber
hard holly
Wait, there are boons that scale off of max HP?
hard holly
I dont think those scale off of max HP
They just increase the healing number by X percent
pastel jolt
more of your total health
so the higher health you have the more last stand will give back
manic ermine
who needs extra hp when with two boons and a keepsake you are invinvible
median ridge
i’m an absolute gremlin who goes for hearts every chance i get
i like walking into theseus’s room with 400+ hp if i can get it
pearl willow
i take hearts all the time and Athena's Last Stand is ridiculously valuable
median ridge
at good max hp levels, popping a last stand DD can give you like 150+ hp. it's so good
gray plume
and the tank gameplay fit perfectly with the wrath gauge
and revenge dmg
anyone achieved the last skelly statue ?
pearl willow
good lord zeus rail attack is crap against theseus and minotaur lol, just barely made it and it took so long even with complementary boons and hammers. no legendary though - again ><
odd totem
i rarely get legendaries tbh
but Dio attack is op with rail
Dio attack + Artemis legendary
won game
quartz remnant
lemme tell you I was real disappointed when I attempted to bash Skelly off the cliff in the training room
i was hoping that something funny would happen
pearl willow
Exit Wounds does in fact cause damage in small AoE, you can see the last two bloodstones pop on Theseus and deal 200 to both him and the minotaur
forest marsh
I still don't think this is intentional, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
pearl willow
beats me, could go either way
limber cipher
i just had the most OP build yet. 20:37 clear time no heat
shield with 100% damage dash attack with chaos' +59% dash attack
artemis 5% everything to crit, plus marked status effect
Poseidon attack boon + legendary with shoals and zues' duo. the shoals kept procking the first crit, then things got marked and got a 29% crit chance
also had jolted status, so everything took +50% more damage from double status effects
+40% damage from pierced butterfly
i was instakilling everything it was so much fun. when i got to the bull i just kept dashing and hitting cuz I had 250 health, 4 death defiances and Last Stand. every single boon I got made the others more powerful it was glorious
heavy vapor
Oh that’s a question. What gives you wrath? Does it decay?
unkempt pagoda
taking and dealing damage, it goes away at the end of each encounter
heavy vapor
Doesn’t decay during a fight?
unkempt pagoda
nope
heavy vapor
And it’s proportional to HP loss?
unkempt pagoda
though you probably won't deal enough damage to use it in tartarus at all, if that gives you a sense of scale
heavy vapor
Yea they feel pretty underwhelming if I’m honest
For how long you have to charge it
There are quite a few abilities that feel kinda meh right now
unkempt pagoda
unless you do major burst damage, i think overkill still counts towards wrath build up
heavy vapor
Oh. So.... Crits and doom
unkempt pagoda
well, in later areas i proc it at least once per encounter
wrath is just really useless in tartarus
heavy vapor
Yea but for example, ares wrath is worse than just attacking normally vs a lot of Elysium
limber cipher
when i got +500% damage heat, i always get wrath after taking one hit
heavy vapor
Including smough and ornstein Theseus and the Minotaur
unkempt pagoda
i mean, ares wrath is the one people complain about the most i think
poseidon wrath got a major buff this update
heavy vapor
The wiki says blade rift procs per 0.1s but that feels like a lie
Is that the dashy surgey one
I’ve used it exactly once and it was fun
unkempt pagoda
yeah, makes you invincible and does major knockback damage
somewhere around 200 for epic, i think. used to be 300 and it was stupid strong
heavy vapor
Hmm.
I’ll have to try it again since I changed my control scheme
I bound cast to LB instead
frozen locust
hey guys, im a returning player, lots of new patches.. what is most broken builds and abilities now?
median ridge
hunting blades duo boon stands out to me as pretty powerful
upbeat junco
Bow is still my favorite choice. Apart from that everything seems pretty good atm. Shield bull rush build is probs the strongest right now imo
upbeat junco
what exactly does hunting blades do?
pearl willow
it blends
unkempt pagoda
makes your blade rifts go after foes
heavy vapor
bow annoys me because I feel so immobile with it
backswing on the spread shot is long, the power charging keeps you rooted for just a bit longer than I'm comfortable
median ridge
dashing before each bow attack makes it power charge quicker
rough grove
Hey guys! Weird question. Wasn't completely clear to me how to use the Wrath. Is it only available if you choose one from a boon?
lost rose
Yep
kindred wren
rough grove
Awesome, thanks!
heavy vapor
Is wrath build up before damage reduction modifiers or after?
From taking damage I mean
lost rose
after, i believe
heavy vapor
Does obol room always give 75? Feels like it’s mostly not worth going for it
75 isn’t enough to get a boon at a shop
It’s like, enough for a sandwich
I would have thought it’d be at least 150 to make up for it being a delayed reward
Unless of course you’re a madman and want Charon well buffs instead
pastel jolt
yeah, but you get money for killing enemies, money from golden pots, and also you get a starting amount from deep pockets
heavy vapor
Or purse, yea
pastel jolt
in light of all that, 75 seems a decent number