hexed blade
Live in your bubbles, trollify critiques
#h1-builds-and-combat
grizzled elm
Just because there's projectiles shooting at you, doesn't exactly make it a bullet hell
If you can still see your screen, its not a bullet hell 
quasi moat
i wasn't even sure what he was referring to, like, the witches? they have a larger attack spread rather than just a single shot in asphodel, but its definitely not to bullet hell levels
they just shoot more bullets than before
turbid needle
so yeah...
hard holly
There is one pattern that would be a little bullethell-y
If you couldn't just destroy the projectiles
turbid needle
I awakened to brokedness of bone hourglass...
that can be actually used to speedrun LUL
feral pumice
Would it be bullethelly or bullethellish? 🤔
turbid needle
so here is a thing
if you buy gate of ixion with bone hourglass equipped
you can get chaos gates in a row
night pasture
would... would you want to?
turbid needle
I wonder how the Bone Hourglass works with the Yarn of Ariadne
grizzled elm
Someone was saying it works now, but haven't confirmed it myself or see anyone else confirm it
quasi moat
which one is bone hourglass
night pasture
from charon, extends the duration of well items
quasi moat
oh right
i literally never used that one because i thought it was just for like
the ones with room durations
quasi moat
i wasn't aware it functioned for things like ariadne
grizzled elm
Well well well...
night pasture
but yeah I'm not convinced that's an intended interaction
quasi moat
i mean maybe!
grizzled elm
I actually find myself buying quite a few well items this patch anyways
quasi moat
it does seem very very powerful, but on the other hand
extending most of the well items wouldn't be that dramatic imo?
hard holly
I guess things are going well for you then
grizzled elm
You see more wells, have more spare cash usually
quasi moat
and not worth using your keepsake slot
night pasture
it means you can stack more of 'em
hard holly
Yeah I still don't think it great
night pasture
yeah, but I remember before they nerfed the percentage on cyclops jerky
those were the days
quasi moat
yeah like, with the well items getting 'used' for noncombat rooms as well, even extending it 4 rooms doesn't seem SUPER useful
grizzled elm
Maybe just worth using in Elysium to try to stack a bunch of items for the boss
night pasture
I'm not certain but I think they are per "encounter," now, which is rooms with enemies
quasi moat
Unless that was a very recent change I don't think so
Cuz the one that restores health entering rooms still activates on non encounters
night pasture
frankly I think you're probably more experienced than me so I'm probably incorrect
quasi moat
I could see using it in Elysium yeah, edpecially if you hit up pat
Well no I'm not a Hades expert lol
grizzled elm
My usual keepsake "build" has been a god keepsake -> coinpurse -> whatever I feel gives me the best shot at the boss
quasi moat
I'm just going off my runs
grizzled elm
You'd have to run it a few times to get an idea of how frequently it pays off
quasi moat
I've typically always ran butterfly, but I'm starting to switch it up with God keepsakes
Coinpurse always feels fun tho
grizzled elm
Mhm, I don't see a reason not to grab it at least once
hard holly
I don't like coinpurse
I find you usually get more than enough gold during a run as is
grizzled elm
If you're going to run hourglass you'd probably want it though
Have some saved up going into Elysium
and then BUY EVERYTHING 
feral pumice
But I have over 170 keys. I have just done every trove and done the same.
hard holly
I mean, I still buy all useful well items and don't come close to running out
quasi moat
It always feels like the runs I don't grab it are where no money drops
hard holly
Wait, isn't the coin purse hypnos' keepsake?
feral pumice
Yes.
grizzled elm
Personally I'm still farming darkness and need a few keys for pact unlocks
hard holly
Mmh
grizzled elm
So I tend to buy darkness when I see it, and save my keys
hard holly
Ok, I really want Hypnos to say "that wasn't very cash money of you"
feral pumice
Why does Charon want money anyway? He desn't have a tongue to place coins under and if he did, he'd be paying himself.
trim ingot
he wants to buy video games
hard holly
Maybe he is a hoarder
Maybe he wants to buy the whole underworld
Maybe he is secretly a huge dragon amassing his hoard
feral pumice
Dragon living on a river of lava? I buy it.
feral pumice
There's actually just a hidden chieve to get a billion gold and he's farming.
trim ingot
actually all the obols are his anyways, he hides them in urns around the underworld so zag will find them
charon just wants a friend
quasi moat
;-;
hard holly
Man, Charon must be incredibly fast then
feral pumice
Patroclus gives free items and has the greatest bromance. Take note, Charon.
feral pumice
Gee, it's almost like he's a supernatural being.
hard holly
I mean so is Hypnos and he's bloody useless
trim ingot
he's as much of a god as any other chthonic but everyone just knows him as the guy with a boat 😔
feral pumice
Hypnos is a good boy and I will hear no words against him.
feral pumice
Everyone in the game is either a sociopath or a psychopath.
trim ingot
me meeting hypnos: geez you're annoying
me after five minutes: oh. oh. you're acting like a clown because this is the only way you know to get affection.
hard holly
Meg is just doing her job
Also don't forget Hypnos suggested exterminating the human race so that he could hang out more with than
quasi moat
he's just lonely
trim ingot
yeah sure a real symptom of psychopathy
quasi moat
hypnos is a FRIEND
trim ingot
wrong I like him
quasi moat
oh right i can't swear
hard holly
But surprisingly, not that inaccurate in-universe
quasi moat
i would die for hypnos and this is FRIKKIN slander
hard holly
He is the underworlds zoidberg
trim ingot
zag likes hypnos
feral pumice
Than has my personality. I can get behind Hypnos.
hard holly
Even Zag gets audibly irritated with Hypnos' suggestions
Note: I still like Hypnos
I only dont really like Dusa
trim ingot
the convo with nyx where she's like "is hypnos bothering you" and zag is like "awwww nah he's good"
hard holly
Nah, worst take would be not liking Meg
quasi moat
dusa has done literally nothing wrong in her life
hard holly
I mean
feral pumice
Best is not liking Tisiphone.
trim ingot
dusa was triple confirmed for best hades
turbid needle
Meg DESTROYS Hypnos with facts and logic
hard holly
Why do you think she is only a head and in the underworld
trim ingot
because all gorgons are floating heads apparently
feral pumice
Mimir inspired her.
trim ingot
thanks that phrase just activated my fight or flight response
hard holly
Also I found her crush to be a little, how do I put it
quasi moat
dont do this, we dont have to bring it back
turbid needle
She has been developed less than every other character so far
I'm sure she'll get her time someday
feral pumice
Ahem Tisiphone.
hard holly
I guess
quasi moat
Tisiphone is a fully developed character, she's just very driven
hard holly
But there aren't a lot of Ambrosia scenes left for her
Also I stand corrected
I don't like Tisiphone much
So it's not just Dusa
turbid needle
I honestly hope to see Alecto interact with other characters sometime
hard holly
Well not a lot of opportunities for that
feral pumice
I just want Hynos to have a voice line of "you zagged when you should have zigged."
hard holly
I'd to love to see her and Theseus argue about random nonsense though
Or hell, what about Theseus ranting about nothing in particular to Charon?
feral pumice
It'd make the most sense for Theseus and Asterius to be chatting when you get there.
hard holly
I imagine Asterius just nods along while Theseus goes on and on
limpid ember
Does piercing attacks (like the piercing fire upgrade for rail) go through shield blocking in elysium?
atomic panther
It does not, last I checked
median ridge
i feel like that would be a really good feature
even if the shield still absorbed half damage
dire cedar
If you get Dionysus Fog + Artemis Exit Wounds, does artemis' ability do nothing?
west wren
quasi moat
yeah, several of the cast boons make the cast not actually stick to an enemy
which makes exit wounds do nothing, along with your mirror buff to damage on stuck enemies
dire cedar
it makes sense, but that means there are 2 artemis buffs that are completely worthless if you get dionysus fog, which imo should not be a game mechanic
atomic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/579161160297742342/unknown.png
Thank you, Poseidon
mighty ermine
holy MOLY
opaque merlin
Man, armored slamdancers are SUCH A STRONG COUNTER to bull rush 😦
opaque merlin
I mean, if there's only one of them around, sure
shadow pagoda
Not sure if this is a bug or intended, but after dash attacking into regular attacking into bull rushing with the shield, sometimes the bull rush won't go off and Zag will just stand there. Makes bull rushing much trickier with dashing, and makes the hammer upgrade to bull rushing a bit dangerous.
scarlet mica
I have not tested this out, but while Zag is charging the shield, is he invulnerable to all front facing non area attacks?
I just hit the second boss and am getting very frustrated with a certain phas
opaque merlin
Yeah, you'll block anything in front of you while charging bull rush
wide vessel
just got this game yesterday, how do bow users deal with the shield dudes? i'm fine when there's only a couple by themselves but once there are more enemies...
glossy heart
i would say its all about positioning to have enough space and time to cast a shot @wide vessel - just try to dash a lot until you feel comfortable about the situation. You dont have to wait until your shot is fully charged
pastel jolt
i kinda want to start a new file and see how far i can get on my first run 
or how many runs until i can beat theseus 
pastel jolt
well now i don't want to because i know i'm not gonna beat that :c
lost rose
:((
pastel jolt
didn't even make it to meg, so,
you really underestimate chthonic vitality until it's not there any more
robust garden
ah damn should i go hunter dash or deadly strile on rail
as a first boon
i went dash
i shouldn't have went dash
pastel jolt
.......since when was food an option as a chamber reward??
i thought that was only possible when leaving an infernal gate
woeful stirrup
Wow, never saw that. And it's not in the recent patch notes either.
scarlet mica
I've had food drop from an elite enemy even though I had no encounter buffs or any effects that would affect the spawn rate of such items
pastel jolt
oh god, i LOVE seeking blades
it makes mincemeat of meg
???!?!??!?!??
quitting and reloading the save fixed it - looks like the graphic for the background loaded over the one for the reward (it's a pom)
pastel jolt
question: if i have seeking blades - that is, my rifts move faster and they seek enemies - would it be better to go for bigger rifts or longer/suction rifts? i'm legit puzzling over this
robust garden
i feel like longer
hard holly
Id say longer as well?
pastel jolt
decisions decisions ;3;
robust garden
hmm
id say black metal
cuz 0.3 isnt that much
does anyone know where screenshots are saved btw
ok i found it
i dont appear to be able to post a picture
hmm.
pastel jolt
third run hydra, lads, let's go
turbid needle
hmm Seeking Shot Blade Rift + World Splitter and Artemis Attack?
that's nice loadout
or is it freak accident ?
turbid needle
he doesn't know yet... 
robust garden
what don't i know
pastel jolt
and third run kydra KILL
hey who wants to see what a close call is
i basically have no hope of surviving elysium since i don't have a keepsake at all and i have no death defies but DAMN this is fun
i'm going to have to try and aim for seeking blades on my main file with all the goodies
robust garden
damn
i lost to hydra as expected
but i got it to half hp
which was fun
i really like the fight
pearl willow
never had explosive launcher on spear, i actually really dig it.
pastel jolt
and now i have freak accident, y'know, just for funsies
OH GOD I JUST CHOSE A MINOTAUR ROOM OUT OF HABIT,
robust garden
nice
pastel jolt
show mercy, asterius
turbid needle
[*]
robust garden
@turbid needle what didn't i know btw
turbid needle
that's just me being troll
pastel jolt
oh my god, i did it with only taking two hits
robust garden
nice
pastel jolt
and now i have 4 cast ammo
robust garden
should i go ares or artemi son bow
pastel jolt
artemis
robust garden
i feel like atremos
wow i got an epic hunter dash
should i go in the hole that wants my hp
ill do it
can i got gift chaos
hmm
pastel jolt
okay. third run on a fresh file, no wrath and no keepsakes, but i have basically every possible buff to my blade rifts
minotaur down
DONE
turbid needle
gg
pastel jolt
hey @lost rose remember when i was like "there's no way i can beat a four-run clear"
lost rose
i believed in you 😤
pastel jolt
and just to demonstrate: the lounge still isn't open
pearl willow
does the aphrodite/dio boon 'low tolerance' raise the max number of stacks that can be applied? or raise the number of stacks applied with each application?
turbid needle
raise max
pastel jolt
first one
pearl willow
gotcha, thanks
robust garden
wooo 3rd death defy
turbid needle
hmm
seems like it's same case with treasure trove + bone hourglass
5 room treasure troves
pastel jolt
same case of what
turbid needle
if you take bone hourglass and buy the treasure trove is guaranteed in next room item
you get 5 encounters more of treasure troves that are guaranteed
pastel jolt
yes, that's how that keepsake works
pearl willow
i dont think it's supposed to though. does the same thing with chaos gates. pretty sure it should only apply to jerky/lamia/+1 cast/etc.
turbid needle
yeah, except I don't think 30 gold item should give you possibly infintie amount of gold
pastel jolt
it's done that ever since the keepsake was implemented, though, i'm sure if it wasn't supposed to affect those then it would've been fixed at some point
turbid needle
hmm, that's nice to know
Chaos gate was fixed though
and general dev politics about such things to keep them not "run breaking"
to some certain point of insanity in a way
after all, the only reason why Zeus attack is so weak is basically Rail LUL
pastel jolt
and flurry sword, and spear
turbid needle
partly, but biggest one is rail
after rail was introduced, the attack was changed from 30-40 atk values to 5/7/9
manic ermine
Zeus attack is better now that most modifiers are additive now
turbid needle
that's pretty true
to be honest right now...
It's not even that much worth it to go with high attack modifiers
pastel jolt
that depends
if you have high base damage, then you want percentage bonuses
if you have low base damage, then you want the flat bonuses
ares and zeus shine on spear and rail for that exact reason
and then if you get heavy slug on rail you're back to wanting percentages to make use of the 80 damage hits
turbid needle
with the additive precentages though
the biggest damage you're gonna get probably from Artemis buff + Chaos boon if you can get it
pastel jolt
that's true of any weapon, though
crits are powerful and it's why the hammers that give crits got such a kicking
minor ice
This might be silly, but does anyone actually understand the hitboxes on Asterius, Greathields, and/or longspears?
I legit cannot stop inting into them in Elysium and it makes heat runs really frustrating right now.
oblique jackal
Elysium is really challeneging! I havent beaten thesues and the minotaur yet!
pseudo crow
you'll get there! i believe in you!
rugged apex
athena
pseudo crow
athena
mighty ermine
thirded
pearl willow
what in the world... i have no aphrodite boons and i swear i just saw an exalted spearman with the 'charm' heart over his head chase me down and instantly proc my death defiance from like 350 HP
pseudo crow
might wanna report that o:
minor ice
I literally thought I'd just forgotten abt it
pearl willow
its not the first time ive seen rando charmed enemies but its the first time one has utterly annihilated me like that
quasi moat
It's your rival
He is very mad that you've killed him so many times
So he trained and got swole
pearl willow
i cannot make spear work against minotaur and theseus, the damage just is not there
mighty ermine
i've had that random charm happen to an exalted in elysium too!
completely forgot to report it at the time 
plucky oxide
Charmed with the idea of your death
celest oracle
I'll keep a watch for this on my next few runs. The more bug reports we can get in the better!
tawdry sail
Sorry, wrong group
minor ice
All sorts of wacky graphical stuff on the top of the room if you just waste time in the theseus fight haha
placid pike
What's the timing to perform a charged dash attack with the bow? I've got Hunter's Dash, but it seems to fade too fast. Even if I do charge-dash-release, the damage is still sub-par to a regular Power Shot.
pastel jolt
really? i nail the dash attack basically every time with that
placid pike
I'm getting the same damage 40 from doing a regular non-power shot as when I charge and dash into an enemy.
plucky oxide
Try attacking immediately after inputting your dash. You could be waiting to attack well after your dash.
quasi moat
i didn't realize bow's dash attack was separate
i thought it was just a faster charging powershot
pastel jolt
that's what it is
placid pike
Dash should instantly charge it
plucky oxide
Bows dash attack is that your next shot after dashing has faster charge
pastel jolt
it charges faster and if you have hunter's dash then it'll do more damage
the only weapon that i cannot, for the life of me, work out what the dash attack is supposed to be is the spear
plucky oxide
^
placid pike
Isn't spear dash attack just spin dash?
pastel jolt
no
mighty ermine
nah
proud storm
no it's just a jab
placid pike
But it benefits from the dash damage no?
atomic panther
It doesn't
plucky oxide
I don't even think spin dash prods hunters dash, yeah
placid pike
Not anymore?
mighty ermine
did it ever? i started playing after MDK so i'm honestly unsure
placid pike
Yep
plucky oxide
Yep. There was a time when Artemis was insane. Dashing made your next few attacks guarantee crit.
mighty ermine
yeehaw
pastel jolt
i mean, that wasn't a dash attack, that was just artemis dash being broken as all hell
placid pike
Spear spin + Mirror Dash attack boost + Arty crit guarantee made it one of the old OP builds
plucky oxide
It was a multitude of things, including dash attack mirror being so valued
placid pike
That's what's bothering me now slightly since I used to use bow's dash attack with the guaranteed crits, and it registered then. But now, I can't get the dash to register even though the input's the same.
Hold left mouse button then hit space to dash. That should trigger the dash attack, correct?
plucky oxide
For the next attack, yes
pastel jolt
there are people who dash while charging bow...?
try doing it the other way around and see if that works.
placid pike
Huh, how are you inputting it?
plucky oxide
It's nice. All it does is cancel your animation to fire the bow and move you.
pastel jolt
dash, then charge and release
plucky oxide
^
pastel jolt
like, it genuinely did not occur to me that people would do it the other way around, that seems weird to me
plucky oxide
It is a bit weird because it changes where you're firing from, but not where you're aiming. Simple geometry
placid pike
If you dash and charge then the light from Hunter's Dash fades.
Meaning the damage boost should likewise go
pastel jolt
well i can tell you it doesn't
placid pike
Like you have to sit and charge for a second since you can't immediately input a quick shot out of Dash unless you have the particular boon.
plucky oxide
While it does expire, the window is larger than you think
mighty ermine
a charged power shot from a dash is still a dash attack for the duration, and gets boosted by the boon
plucky oxide
You can still dash-cancel out of that shot too. It's just that you need to dash first to get the faster power shot.
median ridge
dash bow attack with hunter's dash absolutely works for me
dash, charge and shoot, big damage
plucky oxide
Dash, charge, dash to shoot should work as well
unkempt pagoda
you will definitely see a faster charge speed
pastel jolt
congrats!!
placid pike
Huh, it does. That's really odd since the visual indicator(the green flair from Artemis' dash) doesn't properly represent the window.
I guess it's a carry-over from the old Hunter's Dash being swapped for the Mirror's Dash Upgrade. Since the old Hunter's Dash was timed to guarantee crits for 1 sec-at level 1-after you dashed, the green flair only lasts that one second then fades afterwards. However since it instead boosts the damage of dash attacks which has a longer window as in any attack after a dash qualifies so long as no movement is inputted instead of it strictly being a dash attack inputted in a specific time frame, the window for a boosted dash attack is longer than the flair would indicate.
Tldr: Hunter's Dash's green flair is not indicative of the window of time in which a dash attack must be inputted as it is instead based on the original one second limit of the first Hunter's Dash.
calm sable
Instant Nova + Super Nova + Athena attack/special/dash = invincibility, more or less
calm sable
Actually getting to that point was pretty tricky though
Shoutouts to whoever recommended leaving the enemy damage pact increase totally empty and focusing on everything else to build heat instead
placid pike
Enjoy it while it lasts because I can feel Instant Nova getting nerfed next patch.
manic ermine
Stacking aphrodite weak and achilles keepsake is silly
placid pike
So testing with sword since it's dash attack, the lunge is easy to see. There's about a 2 maybe 2.5/2.6ish interval after you dash for you to click attack and initiate a dash attack.
Tyr, grab the Shield's defense bonus plus Festive Fog defense up.
manic ermine
Dash window is lookingng enough that you can dash nova and still have time to lunge
placid pike
Did you dash, nova, attack?
manic ermine
Yes
placid pike
And the jab comes right out after the nova?
manic ermine
Yes
spice turret
Yoo, @calm sable That was me!
Also, just beat hydra without getting a scratch... In that fight, anyway
placid pike
You sure? That's not working for me
calm sable
Bless you 
🙏
manic ermine
You may have to be quick on your inputs
spice turret
The butterfly is at 45%. Meg, eat your heart out.
placid pike
It's not the input but the lag after the nova.
Current hypothesis on Hunter's Dash attack is the the during the visual indicator, so long as an attack is keyed in during that period of time, it will qualify as a dash attack even after the flair disappears.
This is is how charged bow dash attack works.
manic ermine
I'll make a quick gif of the nova lunge
placid pike
I've got it like 2 times
Just not consistently
It's possibly for the nova to buffer the attack input meaning it's still in time frame for it register as a dash attack and not a regular attack.
Actually, if you could, go ahead and post the gif.
manic ermine
placid pike
Hmm, think I've got it now.
It's not that nova buffers the input, but that nova itself is cancelable after one second into either dash or attack. The dash attack window is large enough that if you cancel Nova into attack, it will still trigger a dash attack even though the action preceding it isn't a dash.
Knowing that, I'd say Dash Attack's window is about 2.8 seconds.
The visual indicatior from Hunter's Dash rings true as in the moments the sparks fade from the dash, a lunge can still be inputted.
And I have wasted half an hour trying to figure out the obvious.
I'm getting some fresh air.
robust garden
i feel like
a cast ares build
would be really good
or an ares build in general
with some athena thrown in there
manic ermine
the homing blade vortex boon is very powerful
When mark didnt fade on crit artemis/ares was a deadly combination
pastel jolt
hunting blades is wonderful
i killed theseus and asterius on the third run of a fresh save because i got lucky and got every single ares cast improvement
turbid needle
well... Ares in general is pretty potent even now
without the Duo with Aphrodite even
I wonder when will that come back to game... probably never lol
seeing how broken it is I feel
robust garden
how do you guys get to choose what god combos you do
errant narwhal
by using god keepsakes
robust garden
i get that but how do you get ares artemis
like i get how you get either ares or artemis
but how do you get both
pastel jolt
pick a keepsake for one and then just hope
robust garden
ah so it is just luck
median ridge
it’s just a matter of chance mostly
pastel jolt
yup! that's the game
trim ingot
or change keepsakes after a boss
turbid needle
I usually like to do the Chaos Egg -> Hypnos Money Purse -> Bone Hourglass to get that "strong Elysium power"
Chaos egg gives you the free Chaos, although... Chaos is quite annoying, because having egg doesn't guarantee you chaos gate
that being said as an alternative can be probably god keepsake to get certain God start, that being said, depending on weapon and run you might screw yourself over accidently doing that
robust garden
damn i got too used to meg and i cant beat her sisters
;.
@turbid needle hey what weapon build do you run with those keepsakes
turbid needle
I can go basically with any
robust garden
ok another question
what's a decent rail build
i feel like something with zeus or athena would work
turbid needle
Zeus/Artemis/Ares Attack I believe
for Special you can't go wrong with Poseidon/Artemis/Ares
for Dash you definitely want to go for Aphrodite/Athena
quasi moat
tisiphone looks a lot more menacing than she really is
turbid needle
that is of course without hammers
quasi moat
her attack pattern is pretty straightforward
turbid needle
in all honesty, Artemis lost for me any kind of power on her dash due to scaling
quasi moat
asdghjl someday i'll learn not to swear
*tisiphone's arena is what screws with people, but if you keep an eye on her you're safe
turbid needle
she is easiest of furies once you learn her
you still need to look for her "screw ups" when she goes invulnerable in midst of attacks though
still not nearly as bad as in case of meg
where I had situations that I dashed into meg only to realize that I reset her animation
and then get hit because she aimed again for her dash attack
robust garden
i kinda cheesed her with the shield
the first time i saw her
damn heavy slug is a really fun thing to get on the rail
it's actually a spiner rilfe now
turbid needle
yes and no
yes, because it's fun and can deal tons of damage with good setup
no, because it feels too unreliable
atomic panther
Did someone say Heavy Slug
robust garden
i love it
atomic panther
:D
turbid needle
to be honest...
robust garden
it's actually bow with perfect shot
if you can time it right
but it's everytime
so you don't need to time it
turbid needle
but it's 1/1 ammo clip
robust garden
yes
atomic panther
It doesn't suit everyone's tastes, and that's okay
robust garden
like bow
pastel jolt
i like heavy slug
turbid needle
and you already have problems with swarms
robust garden
that's why you have q
i have ares q rn
that oneshots armored numbskulls
and those and the enemies that swarm most
atomic panther
Heavy Slug + Infinite Ammo = Win
robust garden
true
pastel jolt
well, it would be, if you could have both
pastel jolt
but you can't
robust garden
what's an infernal trove btw
atomic panther
Can't you? I've gotten it before
Infernal Troves are the chests that spawn in enemies
atomic panther
They're good if you have a really solid build (or if they're the darkness variety)
Oh, darn, they must have removed that then
Which is fair
pastel jolt
no, it's.... been like that since beefy update dropped
plucky oxide
So. Anyone else having issues with charm right now? Just lost a run due to charmed enemies hitting me for 50.
atomic panther
If you have enemy damage turned to max, weak applies the -50% but heat applies +500% for a +450%
pastel jolt
that seems to be a common issue right now
plucky oxide
I was on base heat
atomic panther
And I must be misremembering my loadout, then
pastel jolt
or at least i'm sure i've seen people bring it up before
spice turret
Heavy slug+ infinity chamber...
plucky oxide
Shield boy did his nice little spin. Chewed through my death defies in a matter of seconds.
spice turret
How does that go?
robust garden
hey how come i can't post pictures but someone else did earlier today?
pastel jolt
upload it somewhere else and post a link
robust garden
ah
pastel jolt
it doesn't go at all, jibba, because the game will not spawn infinity chamber if you already have heavy slug or vice versa
robust garden
welp im not ùaking am ingur account right now so ill do that later
plucky oxide
post it in another discord server, right click, copy link, past it here
robust garden
ohh
see that's smart
where were the scrennshots again
i kinda forgot
oh
user
right
ok this is what i have right now
robust garden
i just got it
on the mega gorgon
+75% as well
i got lucky tbh
is that
||thanatos||
holy heck it is
spice turret
No kidding, Sparrow? Well, I guess that makes sense, but it's still kind of sad
robust garden
i dont find him one shotting enemies in a killing contest
pastel jolt
infinity fire, flurry fire, spread fire, and heavy slug are all mutually exclusive
robust garden
very fair
pastel jolt
vlad, he's death incarnate
robust garden
yes but still
pastel jolt
literally, that's his title and everything
frankly i'd be disappointed if he wasn't oneshotting everything
robust garden
that's fair
i really thought i'd get killed if i lost though
so i got scared
hydra down boys
finally
im on my last death defy
i dont think im gonna survive for muhc longer
pearl willow
it'd be sweet if i had some artemis boons to go with my 46 damage blade rift ><
pastel jolt
46 damage??
pearl willow
base 20 + 76% + 53% from two chaos boons lol, and it's only rare level 2
robust garden
hmm what keepsake should i go for elyssium
pastel jolt
broken spearpoint, it's from patroclus
robust garden
dont know who that is
vale perch
is getting the same type of boon from chaos multiple times a run a bug?
https://imgur.com/M2ji6J2 attack hitting for 200+ twice feels dirty
robust garden
i mean i know who he is but not in game
autumn tapir
basically anything that lets you survive
I usually go either collar or pierced butterfly if I was using it already
speaking of pierced butterfly, if you use it in Tartarus, take it off for Asphodel, and then put it back on before you go into Elysium, does it keep its buffs?
vale perch
I don't think you can reuse artifacts on the same run
robust garden
hmm should i go daedalus or pom as my first elysium room
i feel like going daedalus for the triple ares bomb
yea ill do that
wait you can have heavy slug and explosive bullets?
pearl willow
oh snap i got hunting blades at the shop just before theseus and mino, it annihilated them in like 30 seconds
unkempt pagoda
personally i always go daedalus first
robust garden
i still dont get what a duo boon is
mighty ermine
you just need a prerequisite boon from each of the two gods for their duo boon to potentially show up afterward from either of them
mighty ermine
their effect depends on the specific duo boon, but they're generally significant and combine characteristics from each god
yeah, they're all fun to find and mess with
robust garden
are there specific duo boons or can you just combine all gods
mighty ermine
specific
robust garden
wait is there where there's 2 offering in the same room
pastel jolt
no
pastel jolt
trials of the gods can no longer offer duo boons
trial of the gods: two god boons spawn at once, you pick one, the other gets mad and spawns enemies, when you kill all of them the god is like "we're cool now" and lets you have their boon to
robust garden
oh so that means i've just been unlucky
pastel jolt
unlucky with what
robust garden
not getting duo boons
pearl willow
https://streamable.com/r85hx ares cast annihilation of theseus and minotaur 😄
robust garden
nice
safe mesa
i got
9 death defiances
by the time i finished my run
didn't have to use any of them
trim ingot
spice turret
Pastime of the rich and famous, find out how many death defiances you can stack...
unkempt scroll
do you always spawn at tartarus when you die? im new and dont know if im missing something or if there's a way to spawn in the next area after i killed the first boss
fallow jay
nope, you always start at the beginning again
unkempt scroll
cool, thanks
quartz remnant
So, question: is it a good idea to pick a God's uh... relic thing first, to get a boon from the God you want, then change the relic to something more useful when you get to Asphodel?
safe mesa
i do that all the time
rugged apex
yes.
safe mesa
i go with artemis keepsake and then switch to myrmidon's brace once i get to elysium
quartz remnant
Okay, just making sure.
quasi moat
yeah, the guaranteed next boon being (INSERT GOD HERE) only works once
quartz remnant
Artemis, really? I'm not a big fan of her boons.
quasi moat
so once you hit asphodel, you can switch to a different one
artemis has really good boons for ranged
safe mesa
artemis crit boons on sword are incredible
safe mesa
the crit rate can combo on itself to the point where you're basically doing nonstop critical hits
quartz remnant
and it cleared a ton of rooms so easily
It was like Captain America and Thor had a baby
... Or maybe his shield and Mjolinor, to be more precise. 
quasi moat
ye
safe mesa
i've had a pretty consistent performance with artemis keepsake and sword for a few runs now
quasi moat
you mean the gun?
native ether
Artemis is definitely my favorite strategy for any rail build
Artemis + Zeus, and getting the duo boon especially
Her boons are insane with faster attacking weapons
quartz remnant
is there a list of confirmed duo boons anywhere
I've been on like, 20+ runs and have yet to get one
this is the first I'm hearing of them
native ether
they're all on the god wiki pages
quartz remnant
thaaanks
native ether
all of them require certain boons from other gods
quasi moat
yep
native ether
for example the Ares + Artemis one requires Blade Rift at least
Artemis + Zeus requires you have a lightning boon from Zeus and a crit effect from Artemis
Dio + Aphro requires a sick effect and a weak effect
most of them require at least a tier 1/tier 2 boon from both gods
quasi moat
really tired of alecto hitting me from offscreen -w-
native ether
duo boons are rare because their prereqs are often on par with legendary boons from individual gods
autumn tapir
holy crap I finally found a legendary boon
now I can't complain about not finding one lol
quasi moat
godddd the solo asterius fight is miserable
im getting paralyzed by the gorgon heads and then instant killed -w-
lost rose
wow, nice!!!
quartz remnant
all in all, a good game thus far! I look forward to the future updates but for now... I need to finish the other games that exist in my backlog. 
quasi moat
nice work!
quartz remnant
my only feedback: add in flirting opti~~ oh wait. everyone you speak to is either related to you in some way or taken. I don't think they want to delve into those aspects of Olympian mythology.
quasi moat
Duo time baybey
pastel jolt
implying sisyphus is taken
rugged apex
here is a not-fun fact: hunting blades can be overwritten if you foolishly swap your cast boon.
rugged apex
it doesn't warn you of this. I tried it. for science.
lost rose
yeah, that's definitely something that needs to be changed, i think
trim ingot
pls let me view my boonies when there's a swap boon
rugged apex
I shouldn't have tried it but i had to know!
quasi moat
Really wish bosses wouldn't go to impervious phase right as i pop wrath
kindred wren
spear function might change in the future, making it easier to use
quasi moat
https://i.imgur.com/MSpTRBx.png this is a fun first buff
wow im never taking poseidon's dodge again, so many enemies moving with me from the knockback
atomic panther
It's good with Sword special and pretty much nothing else. It used to knock enemies away at the end of the dash, but it got reworked along with the new dash
rugged apex
first-tried alecto! ha.
atomic panther
Nice!
rugged apex
who's this. doesn't matter she does fewer things than meg.
atomic panther
First time I fought her I tried to deflect her blenders back (and failed, with high heat, and died)
plucky oxide
Poseidon's epic dash boon carried me through an entire run. The damage output is insanely high.
atomic panther
That's fair
rugged apex
yeah, poseidon's dash is really strong. the hard part is actually hitting stuff with it
since the htibox is smaller than the visual.
(poseidon why do all your boons do this.)
quasi moat
it kept pulling the enemies with me as i dashed and so i couldn't actually dodge attacks -w-
lost 2 defys before tisiphone and decided it was a lost run
pure fox
im so bad at using bow....i ended up dashing my whole run......poseidon and athena dash carried me
urban trellis
Hey i found a glitch in hades
plucky oxide
For whatever reason, I find a ton of value out of Poseidon in Asphodel. The lava does so much work if you're careful and know how to use your dash splash. The unfortunate thing is it's a bit of a double edged sword, and for every enemy it's good against it completely sucks against flying enemies.
rugged apex
downside of roguelikes: Sometimes You Just Die
spice turret
See, my favorite dash for dealing damage is probably Athena's? It does solid damage, and it's easy to hit with
fast shale
What's ya'lls favorite weapon so far? I haven't been able to unlock what LOOKS like a gun yet, need 8 keys, but i've tried everything else and am quite fond of the shield
median ridge
bow is my favorite, so far
quasi moat
bow and gun are my faves
rugged apex
bow is really good.
lost rose
bow 4 lyfe
shield is my favorite for running elysium though
because i still can't get through it without taking heaps of damage
median ridge
broken spearpoint has really helped me with the damage on elysium
since i usually lose a lot to either the shield elysians or the witch’s megaprojectiles
that brief moment of invincibility helps immensely
lost rose
i stopped......running it but i should start again gkdfjgd
quartz remnant
the bow? 🤔
for some reason, the bow doesn't seem that great to me.
what boons do you target with the bow?
lost rose
usually i buff the hell out of power shot/dash attack
the bow's power shot already does a pretty nice amount of damage
add on bonuses from dash attack, which you're often already doing to avoid getting hit, and it's even better
artemis' dash attack for example
quartz remnant
i c i c
lost rose
and the daedalus hammer that buffs power shot or adds extra armor damage
mighty ermine
and the dash power shot comes out faster than normal power shot!
quartz remnant
I'll give it a go then, with Artemis' boon to start with
forest marsh
Yes, definitely make sure you're doing dash-power shots
lost rose
if you get relentless barrage on the daedalus hammer, buff the special with athena or zeus for crowd control
forest marsh
Your shot charges faster if you attack straight out of a dash
quartz remnant
I got a hammer to start. 👀
That's a no to Rapid Shot
Twin Shot or Piercing Barrage...
let's spam arrows with barrage. 😛
lost rose
idea: hades run where i pick my keepsakes with a d20 and pick my reward doors with a coin flip 🤔
quasi moat
pierce attacks oughta work on shield exalts >:C
forest marsh
Can always leave it as feedback
quartz remnant
Maybe not 100% pierce damage but it's reduced if they're 'blocking' you so it's not completely useless
still encourages you to get in position
Athena's deflect for the bow special is super OP and then combined it with the +backstab damage with deflect damage...
it's super easy to deflect and then backstab as a result. Now I just need a dash boon.
forest marsh
@clever shuttle Artemis dash works with dash attacks — attacks performed immediately after finishing a dash
Each weapon has a modified version of the regular attack that happens when coming out of a dash
So +%dmg to dash attacks makes these instances of attacking deal more damage
forest marsh
Rail's dash attack is 2 rapid-fire, more accurate shots
quasi moat
- if you have the hammer change for a slug, its a single shot a la a normal fire but it comes out a lot quicker
clever shuttle
Can't sadly I already beat Elysium and I'm doing 60 heat pack of punishment
And I choose to close out 2 of my 3 Choices
lost rose
woof, that's a rough one to choose on 60 heat
quasi moat
yeesh
lost rose
i didn't even use it on 120
lost rose
or rather, i tried to use it on 120, failed a bunch of times, turned it off and immediately won gdfkjg
lost rose
i cheated and beat 120 before elysium came out
lost rose
shhhhhhh
all that matters is i have the statue and it's so majestic
clever shuttle
I like closing choices makes the game fun
lost rose
clever shuttle
And adding more foes plus hp and there damage
That's a bad time
I put the damage all the way up Immediately after I regretting it
quasi moat
im working on higher damage
400% i can make it to theseus but im struggling to beat him
clever shuttle
It also dosent help that I put it on 0 heals at all and I didn't know so I kept spending money on food
I didn't even bother looking at my Hp
spice turret
Yeah, my recommendation is just to go for full healing, low damage, and just crank up the number of enemies, their HP, and maybe their speed if you don't mind fast enemies. Convenience Fee is an easy heat sink.
One sec, lemme show you what my 120 looked like, to give you an idea of where a 60 might look good.
Whipped frenzy is an unpopular one, I think, but that's only 40, so you'd still have 20 more to remove. Could get your tenebrous veil undone... Maybe pick up death insurance to remove most of the stifling darkness?
I dunno how you like to play, though.
I know some people really do like to go for the damage instead of the speed.
lost rose
oh, it's not so bad
with the new bosses having max death defies would be good, but we're also down one dash
so that frees up a lot of darkness
quasi moat
I need all my skillz cuz I'm bad
quasi moat
Where would I be without checks list a buff to damage against enemies with 2 debuffs active when I never do builds with two debuffs....
lost rose
ur right that is a good new one...
i know ur kidding but i actually like that gkdfgjfd
quasi moat
No I'm not dissing the buff I'm sure it's great
I just don't know why I maxed it when I literally never use it
plucky oxide
Just ran a Curse Special run with Bow x2 projectiles and piercing on special.
With an Epic Curse and an Epic Curse Stacking, I was able to consistently lob a curse dealing ~240 damage into enemies. However. This damage completely fell off once I reached Elysium. I was lucky to salvage the run by banking on the Ares cast in the last act, which was just altogether more reliable dps. Sure, you can kit around the outskirts of each of the map with shield special, but you're looking at a quarter of the dps as you kite massive mobs of elysium warriors.
Of course I'm playing at base heat, and this would be even less realistic on any higher heat. I guess my general consensus on the Curse Stacking boon, is that there's just no other synergy to keep the damage scaling or relevant in later areas. It'd be neat if your cast could proc curse for a really low base damage, or something, as an additional boon.
robust garden
i think i might be at the Elysium boss
for the first time
ok
i am
at that
should i focus ||theseus|| or ||the minotaur|| first
i feel liike ||theseus||
hee seems easier to kill
pastel jolt
asterius
(the minotaur)
the reason being is that the minotaur doesn't get much harder to deal with once he's past 50% health; theseus does, and you do not wanna be dealing with all the nonsense theseus does with an angry bull casing you
robust garden
oh
well yea he seems rather easier to kill now that i've lost to thm
since he's melle and all
but i got theseus to half and the bull to 3/4
so i'm quite proud
dull berry
id really love to have some hades boons at one point
robust garden
he's a jerk so he doesn't give you anthing
but maybe his boon will do something the pact of punishment
robust garden
yea but he hates you so he wouldn't help
dull berry
he doesn't hate you
he's annoyed that everything he's build is shunned by zagreus' teenage tantrums
robust garden
no he legit hates zag
dull berry
bit of a simplistic way to see
the kid's meant to be the prince of the underworld
but he has no interest in it
hades has millions of wretches and souls to judge a day/night
pastel jolt
guys, if you're doing story discussion could you shift it on over to #h1-story-discussion to leave this channel free for gameplay discussion?
willow kindle
shield + ares + all skills deflect is OP
pearl willow
triple bomb from the hammer in chamber 1, about to fight the hydra with no special because boons have not been kind lol
eternal stag
really fun weapon upgrade combo for the sword: super nova/instant nova
i also got a rare dio boon on my special and it was 👌
median spire
@dull berry Hades Boon would be great! He would not give it on his own accord, but maybe after plot is resolved he could change his mind 😉
manic ermine
Onion power
turbid needle
Flurry Jab + Hunter Mark + Artemis Attack + Clean Kill + Support Fire... that could only be better with Freak Accident
placid pike
Hades does have a boon though...he just gives it to all the enemies instead because he wants Zag to suffer.
pastel jolt
@eager belfry - You should really leave spearate points of feedback as different messages, rather than leaving it as one large chunk! That way people can vote on the parts they agree/disagree with rather than having to just judge the whole thing.
eager belfry
Oh, sorry, didn't know. Will do it that way next time. Thanks!
rugged apex
hup! first-tried tisiphone as well.
shield very good.
except when it doesn't block her whiplash for some reason.
tbh I think meg is the most dangerous of the three just because she spawns a lot of enemies.
more stuff to keep track of and all.
novel magnet
New player here, is the Spear's charging attack underpowered?
or am I just using it wrong? even with the upgrade that makes it charge faster, it still feels too slow
rugged apex
I agree the spear's charge attack is a bit weak - it feels 'best' when you dash out of it to activate it but it's still pretty slow for its range.
novel magnet
Good to know that it's not just me then!
plush blaze
It used to be much better, but it has a lot more end lag now
rugged apex
wow, hunting blades is hilariously broken. I barely lost 30 life versus the hydra.
because none of the heads survived long enough to make the fight dangerous.
pastel jolt
i love hunting blades so much
it is the reason i managed to clear the game on my third run of a fresh save
rugged apex
mmm, curse of eternity.
first-tried mino&friend. hunting blades is wild.
i greatly appreciate that like, all of the mods and supergiant people are 🐮 beefy
pearl willow
im playing with +400% damage from heat but even so... did the lava spit on the ground from a hydra head hit me for 55?
rugged apex
it does do like, 11 damage base, iirc.
pastel jolt
could it have been the shockwave behind you?
it looks like you killed that head right as it stomped
pearl willow
that does look right, i was thinking it was a spitter head not a stomper but that does fit. even if it was dead first lol.
turbid needle
Ooff
turbid needle
Do you have the second dash yet?
rugged apex
deadly strike worldsplitter...
quasi moat
I've had the dashes for ages, but i try to draw the bow after the first leap
and then he leaps again and i can't cancel out of it fast enough
robust garden
woooooooooooooooo
ares cast is hyper strong
also reducing bull hp with the mini bossfight was a lifesaver
urban trellis
question, if you beat the minitour mini boss do you have too fight them both in the boss fight?
lost rose
You do, but the minotaur takes a hit to his health
urban trellis
Ok thats good
quartz remnant
Zeus' boons are maybe too good.
I have four clears now and three of them were with Zeus.
The lightning strike + jolt
spice turret
That's actually real interesting, Musely, because when I've played, until recently, Zeus felt really underpowered to me.
Like... Okay, so what weapon are you using?
quartz remnant
I used a different weapon each time.
Shield, Bow, and Gun.
Thing is, you spam lightning strike , make them jolted, and then apply another status effect like weak or sick. When they're double-status'd, spamming the lightning strike and racking up jolt can clear out really quick, especially if they're clustered together.
hard holly
Zeus is fine
Good with specific builds, mediocre otherwise
Jolts big problem is that it only triggers when the enemy attacks
Meaning its DPS is not particularly high
kindred wren
meanwhile throwing a deflect from athena could be very good against later bosses
and dion is usually more consistent imo?
hard holly
Dio has the advantage that he bypasses blocks alltogether (though Zeus might too now? I havent actually gotten around to a Zeus build post change
kindred wren
if we all have different opinions on which set works better, then supergiant did a great job once again
hard holly
And he has some good second tier boons
But his overall DPS is a little lower than Zeus's
The only god(s) Id say are a bit underperforming right now are Aphrodite and maybe Ares
Aphrodite is good as a secondary god, since Weak has long uptime and doesnt go away outside of timing out like Jolt and Marked do, but as a primary god her damage is simply too low
Ares's primary and special upgrades, even with the damage scaling change, are bad on just about all weapons, but blade rifts are pretty sick
quartz remnant
wait, jolted triggers when the enemy attacks?
i thought it only triggers when you attack it again
hard holly
Nope, only when the enemy attacks
Think of it like a Paralysis effect, except instead of cancelling the attack, it triggers the damage
pastel jolt
it's not very clearly worded but yeah, it's on enemy attacks
quartz remnant
yeah, I hope they fix that then.
hard holly
They will probably update the wording to reflect it
pastel jolt
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/578978460706275332 word of greg confirmation
lost rose
word of greg...
quartz remnant
how gregarious!
also, I wonder if there's a planned fight with all three of the sisters.
that may get a bit cray though
👀
coarse hare
https://imgur.com/a/GI8Y1tm If I still lose to Theseus (with the bow) this time, I give up on using bow ever again.
lost rose
holy crap
coarse hare
The probability on getting death defiance in the well seems really messed up
lost rose
those death defies tho
coarse hare
Some games I get none at all. This game I got like 5
heavy bone
how did you beat him? I cant do it
coarse hare
My attack had twin shot, perfect shot, +66% dash attack damage from Chaos, +10% damage from Ares, and Artemis boon, so when I have a power shot with crit it's like 700+ per shot
wary plume
why pierced butterfly is cancerled when u have'nt it anymore ?
forest marsh
Yup, just like any other keepsake
coarse hare
Also had epic Zeus dash with split bolt and chance to strike twice and jolted, so I technically could have just dashed everything to death
strong void
I just did my first complete run today with the gun thingy
using Artemis boons
triple grenades
very cheesy build
coarse hare
This build was so beautiful I didn't wanna leave it 😢
strong void
also you hade 400 health goddamn
I didnt have anywhere near that many boons
how did you get so many
heavy bone
I guess the issue I have with him is that I cant really get behind him
strong void
I had that issue until grenades
coarse hare
I got Poseiden's boon for increased heart/coin/darkness early on
strong void
where do I talk about a bug I spotted I assume someone else has already mentioned it
coarse hare
And just got as many centaur hearts as I could
lost rose
Use F10 in game to report bugs
coarse hare
Each was like +40 something health
strong void
In the fight Mino was sometimes floating in the air with his jumping attack until he got near me
so he just floated towards me
coarse hare
Also got a couple rooms of trial of the gods which helped the boon count
Floating Minotaur o.O
strong void
I was spooked I thought it was an attack
turns out he was just chillin
@lost rose gonna be an idiot. did you mean press F10 while in game?
rugged apex
yes.
lost rose
Yep
heavy bone
alright I'm going in to Theseus, wish me luck
turbid needle
Good look fams
heavy bone
holy crap i did it
forest marsh
Congrats!
heavy bone
I'd like to thank my family, and hydralite gold, and the 30% damage boost from Pierced butterfly
and the MVP, Sea Gods Rage
lost rose
so essentially, your family, patroclus, thanatos, and especially poseidon gkfhjgfd