#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 228

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 7:43 AM

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annie OaKley

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Orange Kjuice

hasty mauve Mar 18, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Old Krookendellendollen

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 7:43 AM

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mOrtal Kombat

lost rose Mar 18, 2019, 7:44 AM

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alright y'all

hasty mauve Mar 18, 2019, 7:45 AM

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Oh no

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We have been discovered once more

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 7:47 AM

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Using your experience on high heat is not really the right way to go at it, as it's something few players go for and the rail special is perfectly good on no or low heat. It's similar to Nova but slower to compensate for the fact you don't need to go melee to use it and it doesn't stop you after you do. Personally, I prefer it to the blade's Nova for those reasons.

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 7:48 AM

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I play on 90-160 and don't mind the rail special at all, may just be because you're on controller though

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 7:48 AM

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^

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i am

hasty mauve Mar 18, 2019, 7:49 AM

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Oh

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 7:49 AM

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Yeah, that'll do it. On mouse and keyboard it's not clunky at all, but clearly doesn't translate well like festive fog

hasty mauve Mar 18, 2019, 7:49 AM

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I have no idea how the game goes on controller

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 7:49 AM

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idk it's all i know

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Festive fog is hard to aim

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 7:50 AM

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Wight was mentioning that too earlier

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 7:50 AM

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Blade storm isnt

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but this also downgrades the special for rail for me

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on controller atleast

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it used to be faster before this update

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now i feel like it's just too slow at times

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 7:52 AM

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With a controller, I kind of trust the auto-aim for rail special.

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But yeah, I don't use it much.

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The rail is already hard to use since it lack damage and stunlock.

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 7:53 AM

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It's certainly more boon dependent than bow

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Strangely, auto-aim is better for dio cast volfredthink

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Wish it were a move while firing sort of weapon, it's a shame they couldn't figure out the animation for that

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I imagine it's because the dio cast travels a bit faster

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Rail you really need to lead the shots

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Actually, auto aim is bad for rail special, as it makes you lose time because you don't want to aim at the enemy.

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 7:54 AM

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nono, it just work better

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especially against hydra

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Huh

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 7:55 AM

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I often have mortar go into the lava, while the cast don"t have the issue

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 7:56 AM

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how i got it, you dont wanna aim where the enemy isd

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but is going

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but on controller tho

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 7:56 AM

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But i use it so rarely I'm not sure

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 7:56 AM

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that's pretty hard

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 7:56 AM

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The rail must have a lot of enemies if it has decided the lava itself is a foe worth blowing up

hasty mauve Mar 18, 2019, 7:56 AM

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The lava must be destroyed

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:03 AM

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Pause are you okay, it has said you've been typing for 7 minutes

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Should we seek medical attention

plucky oxide Mar 18, 2019, 8:05 AM

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Zagreus, but with a Grimoire
Special lays down a magic trap that triggers upon enemies stepping inside it. The trap can be placed instantly, but takes a moment to charge up before it can be proc'd. The traps explosion radius is larger than its explosion radius.
Attack that instantly hits the target in front of you, up to a medium-high range. Successive attacks deal a small amount of damage. The longer you wait between attacks, the more damage your next attack does.
Holding attack will charge your attack, keeping you stationary, to reach 'max damage' even sooner. After a moment of staying at max damage while charging, enters a 'fully charged' stance. Releasing your attack from full charge will hit the target in front of you, and leash it directly in front of you. The leash effect does not work on bosses, but can work on things like barrels. This leash effect has hitstun for the duration of the leash.
Your dash attack is your regular attack, but with hitstun.
To indicate how 'charged' your attack is, more and more particle effects flutter around your character.
To indicate that your trap has been placed down, your book glows a distinct color.
Grimoire's may not have much backing in Greek myth, but they are really cool. With summoning being the key terminology, the attacks could appear like wispy claws that tear through the air, and the sigil could elicit that of a beast in its inscription. The charged attack literally being a hand that tugs at an enemy back towards the book.
"Maybe one day I'll learn how to actually read this thing."

shadow copper Mar 18, 2019, 8:05 AM

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I love that idea

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:06 AM

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Necronomicon?

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or the greek equivelant of that

hasty mauve Mar 18, 2019, 8:06 AM

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Only if he gets a Gandalf beard when using it, then it's ok squirtdevious

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:06 AM

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That does sound great, and it'd give a reason to actually use ares on a ranged weapon

hasty mauve Mar 18, 2019, 8:07 AM

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Ares is pretty good on ranged weapons with the changes though

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Refreshing curse and stacking. All that

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:07 AM

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Ares is pretty good.

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:08 AM

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Maybe it's just me then, the lack of scaling to multiplicative damage sources other than the keepsake make him feel very weak by the end of a run as a primary attack boon

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Athena/Artemis/Poseidon/Aphrodite on the other hand all scale with Chaos buffs, hammer, and Artemis dash attack

hasty mauve Mar 18, 2019, 8:09 AM

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But you can become the blender

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😄

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Fair

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Roomba Zag deployed

shadow copper Mar 18, 2019, 8:10 AM

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r

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roomba zag

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:11 AM

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One sweep through the room and the floor is cleared of numbskulls

plucky oxide Mar 18, 2019, 8:11 AM

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Ares' curses weren't proccing my 'crit from all sources' the other day, so RIP synergy of Ares with Artemis.

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:12 AM

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That's the main issue with flat damage. Great in Tartarus, bad in Asphodel.

plucky oxide Mar 18, 2019, 8:13 AM

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Enough poms and I had it doing 120+ damage....
but that's not the same as 120+ damage with 10% to crit ; . ; for 200% damage + additional to armor.

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I was so happy with the build before I realized.... it wasn't working.

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Still, Ares offers incredibly efficient poke.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:15 AM

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idk.. ares his cast and wrath are fine

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his curse i kinda just never use

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:15 AM

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His cast and wrath are great, no question

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:15 AM

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^

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his boon that upps attack and cast too

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anything involving the blade rifts

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but his curses..

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ehh

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:16 AM

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Yeah, I still find it funny how even that boon doesn't affect curse damage though

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:16 AM

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can't say i'd got curse if i can go blade rift

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yeah i wish i could stay and chat

plucky oxide Mar 18, 2019, 8:16 AM

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I have fun with em. They just could use some more synergy.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:17 AM

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but i forgot i had work

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soooo

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im off

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:17 AM

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👋

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:17 AM

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really need to talk about the rail more

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:17 AM

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The curses are fun for sure, I just find they're horribly inefficient later on for now

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:17 AM

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someone said i should specify its hard to use on a controller in high heat

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in my suggestions

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:17 AM

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I'm actually doing a mortar only run right now

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:18 AM

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As you say, if they could crit or if they were affected by dash attack when applied by one then they'd be solid with the right setup

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:18 AM

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@dusky quartz yeah buit on a controller. ?

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:18 AM

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yup

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:18 AM

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on high heat

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:18 AM

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Yeah, curses are great early in a run, let's say you use rail, just shoot one bullet in an enemy and go to the next one because the one you just shot will die in two seconds. In Asphodel, though? That's crappy damage.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:18 AM

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no heat is anything works

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:18 AM

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Well, the heat still shouldn't matter for mortar targeting

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:18 AM

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it does kinda

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because more enemies

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:19 AM

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Unless you're including whipped but who uses that before 180

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:19 AM

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less safe spaces to stand and aim

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:19 AM

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With no heat. And it actually seems ok. It's slow, i spend a lot of time hiding behind pillars.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:19 AM

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no heat is find

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fine*

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like for real

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you can go the stupidest builds there

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it's ok

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but low-heat-high-heat is where issues arise

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:20 AM

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But since I focus only on that. I have a high damage, fire-and-forget weapon. And i think it's quite ok

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:20 AM

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It's pretty solid, it's a good build around special

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:20 AM

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Tisiphone was long to beat though

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:22 AM

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You'll wreck Hydra though.

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:22 AM

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But what I try to say. It's that it's quite an unpunishable weapon if you focus on mortar.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:22 AM

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on no heat

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on high heat you get rolkl

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:23 AM

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Have you tried 120 heat with sword?

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:23 AM

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rolled over

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:23 AM

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Artemis seems like a pretty good god for rail special. The goddess of hunt and mortar fire.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:23 AM

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yeah

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sword is fine

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:23 AM

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Thing is, no heat is what the majority of players use, so that's what the weapons should be balanced around. After that, it's a matter of balancing the optional challenge mode around the existing stuff.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:23 AM

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sword spear bow is all fine

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shield idk

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not a fan

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 8:24 AM

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Sadly, Artemis special boon is going through some major bugs right now vis a vis damage consistency (for more context search mentions of LaChouette, I @'d them in the convo)

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:24 AM

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I'd say we actually lack newbies on this server now.

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:24 AM

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Shield is just garbage in general atm, pretty confident it'll be buffed though

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:24 AM

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But then it's a "secondary" attack. So I guess it's kinda ok

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Shield... Garbage? gilmanrage

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:25 AM

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Most players have at least beat the Hydra once, and a lot can reliably win on no heat with any build. But while we're the most present on the server, we're a minority in the playerbase.

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:25 AM

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And yeah, I suppose discord servers always do end up as the people who care most about the games

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:25 AM

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At least with sudden rush it can be crazy.

plucky oxide Mar 18, 2019, 8:26 AM

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Sudden Rush could do with some tuning. It's too strong as is, in my opinion.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:26 AM

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i care about this game ^^

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:27 AM

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That's fair, it's just that the base weapon is undertuned and not every run will you find a hammer. It's rare to not find one, of course, but does happen

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:27 AM

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i had to farm the hydra for heat

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so i had to get better anyway

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with these games there's allways a hardcore+softcore audience

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people that play for fun

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and people that play for challengeing stuff

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so you always get conflicting ideas and such

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be glad the game didnt lock story stuff behind 120 heat

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:28 AM

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The challenging stuff is fun! Just not whipped and veil, screw those >.>

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:28 AM

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or some other thing that has to push you trough that lvl of difficulty

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yeah

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im not using those either rynth

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:28 AM

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Are you implying the Skelly Statue Appraisal mechanic is not a crucial story element?

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:29 AM

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no

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it's a trinket

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like it's stated in the beginning of the challenge

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Oh I mean the dialogue after 120 heat

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:29 AM

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a useless trinket for an argues task

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A gruelling*

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Veil is fun, imo, at low to medium heat. Forces you to use a build that's likely to be suboptimal.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:29 AM

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that's just gonna be you did it boyo

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sub optimal still works there tho

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Which is why it's still fun.

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:30 AM

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I mean, I already have some issue with how heat and pact work in general.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:30 AM

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this is why there's such a difference between low heat no heat and high heat

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^same

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Veil at high heat would not be a thing I'd try, as having a suboptimal build would probably not be fun.

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Yeah, my main issue with veil is that it just has no place being a requirement to reach max heat, at that point it's just annoying resets

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:30 AM

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^

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:30 AM

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My 120 run just ended with one ranged boon, max poms, and staying the farthest possible and hoping to not get hit.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:31 AM

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i ratherhave like enemy lobs a bomb when death

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on a pact

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Took me 3 hecking hours getting 160 heat done since deflect attack never wanted to spawn

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:31 AM

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then have veil

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oof

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Yeah, that'd be a nice option

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:31 AM

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makes you adjust your playstyle againb

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and idk

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Make two pacts. Pact of Punishment by Hades with the number buffs and debuffs, and Pact of Lolz by Hypnos, with Veil and other weird random stuff.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:31 AM

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maybe nerf whipped frenzy to be max 15

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from starting from like 1?

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Yess, that would be fantastic Chouette

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:32 AM

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yeah that would be actually funny

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one for challenge

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one for fun

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both audiences get something

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:32 AM

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Veil does have a place in the game, it's just not in the pact imo

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:32 AM

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isntead of us nuts

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Veil should be a chaos boon

plucky oxide Mar 18, 2019, 8:32 AM

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'I may not beat you quickly but I'm sure I can outlast you' build for the memes
Aphrodite dash
Aphrodite damage reduction
Athena special
Athena damage reduction
Dio cast
Dionysus damage reduction in festive fog
Dionysus damage reduction below health threshold

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:32 AM

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or a choas curse i mean

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:32 AM

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Pact of Punishment gives you a darkness boost, Pact of Lolz gives you tokens you can give to Hypnos to get tips stumptLol

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:32 AM

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😂

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If you're dying a lot, try to not get hit

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:33 AM

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who need tips if you get to be continued more then hypnos get to spend time with thanatos 🤔

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:33 AM

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When you're offered boons, try to get offered epics.

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:33 AM

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guys i always like to get artemis attack boon

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but never got like 3 runs in a row when i was specifically aiming for it

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so i thought it was a bug and reported it

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and as soon as i started another run it appears

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i feel so stupid and impatient

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xd

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:34 AM

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it's a high spawn boon

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because it's an attack

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but i tink Veil would fit Chaos his choice camp

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:34 AM

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RNG happens, sometimes it's kind and other times you'll go multiple runs without an attack buff

plucky oxide Mar 18, 2019, 8:34 AM

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Rng just wants on your side no biggie.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:35 AM

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you cant pick more than 1-2 options for 4 encounters

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makes it pretty worth to me

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i'd say

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:35 AM

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yeah i mean

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i know i can't pick up when i get another attack boon from different god

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but then again, i'm talking about the whole run for aiming that boon

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so i thought it was so strange

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:35 AM

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@regal nexus doesnt Artemis cast fire 2 shots in 1?

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:35 AM

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Yeah, it happens

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:35 AM

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XDDDD

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:35 AM

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like the tip of the arrow and the end of the arrow it's shaped ass

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:36 AM

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Whatever it was, it ends up being effectively just a damage boost with no interesting mechanic

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:36 AM

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it's just 2 shots in 1

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that's still not something to shy away from

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when you got 2 casts you effectively been doing 4 hits

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instead of 2

plucky oxide Mar 18, 2019, 8:36 AM

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Isnt the homing also stronger?

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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yeah

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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i personally don't like artemis cast boon

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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the homing is allot stronger

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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It is stronger homing, yeah

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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i like CRITZ

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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artemis is great

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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dem critz with bow yo

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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but cant be arsed to pick up enemies drop cast faster

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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hmm sign me up

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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or hurt more with cast in them

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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yea

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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But now that normal casts home, it's felt unnecessary imo since it's hard to miss casts anyways

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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same as ares's curses

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:37 AM

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It's stronger homing, but that's not really necessary as the slight homing is nearly always enough.

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Yeah exactly

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:38 AM

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@regal nexus you can throw it from a further distance tho

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the cast itself has a low homing

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idk i felt artemis cast is better then her Wrath

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oops i stood near an object

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bye bye damage

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Well to be fair her wrath is not great lol

plucky oxide Mar 18, 2019, 8:39 AM

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By having, say, 10% on any damage, and then another 10% on cast, with all those little projectiles from legendary, as well as a multi projectile cast, as well as crit+% for wrath.... by my calculations.... your fps would cry

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:39 AM

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It's still not terrible though

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:39 AM

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athena wrath best imo

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Artemis cast is nice. Like Ares, you want to upgrade it with a boon.

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Athena wrath is 100% the best

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:39 AM

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And then it is an SMG

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Wrong. Dionysus wrath is best. Poison farts everywhere.

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:39 AM

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bruh i can't do anything with poseidon wath

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:39 AM

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It's like the Athena legendary, wins runs on its own

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:40 AM

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can't even control myself lmao

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:40 AM

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(kidding, the best is obviously Aphrodite's wrath, who never dreamt of having a bone hydra pet?)

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Poseidon wrath is unwieldy but so fun.

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:40 AM

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Poseidon wrath is pretty great for the invincibility, if you use it as an escape tool you'll likely find it very useful

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It's like ares wrath, the damage isn't amazing but invincibility sure is

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Ares wrath

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:41 AM

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yea

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:41 AM

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black metal

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:41 AM

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what do you guys think of best 2 boons to combo with?

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to me it's artemis and athena

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Artemis Athena for sure

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Yep

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Artemis + anything

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:42 AM

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that deflect crit duo boon

woeful stirrup Mar 18, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Artemis plus anything that is not Ares.

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:42 AM

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so good

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Artemis + Ares

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Artemis gives you extra casts, plus seeking rifts

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Homing Blade Rifts 😮

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yeah

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Ares + Artemis is literally just GG

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:43 AM

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Athena + herself

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:43 AM

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is rail with zeus still op build?

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:43 AM

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XD

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Zeus + Zeus + Zeus

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:43 AM

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Get legendary, autowin run

turbid needle Mar 18, 2019, 8:43 AM

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yeah

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i am using rail + zeus

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get the ammo +6 faster attack rate

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you melt anything

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 8:44 AM

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Oh right sleep, goodbye forever all of you 👋

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:44 AM

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yeah i tried that once with legendary and it almost felt unfun

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@regal nexus gg yo

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 8:44 AM

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Only time I've gotten Zeus legend was with lightning dash, lightning Big™, and Lightning Doesn't Strike Twice (Except For When It Does)

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That was a fun run

brazen sphinx Mar 18, 2019, 8:45 AM

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nice la

proud palm Mar 18, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Damn. New hydra heads are vicious

pure fox Mar 18, 2019, 3:02 PM

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im being blessed by this build i love it so much https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/550351196674588675/557217027996123155/unknown.png

peak smelt Mar 18, 2019, 4:31 PM

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is there any listing of all of the legendary boons ?

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cuz i have only found the artemis one and i loved it

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so i wondered what the others look like

pastel jolt Mar 18, 2019, 4:33 PM

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check the gods' wiki pages

peak smelt Mar 18, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Oooh

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ok thanks

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i have just found that there is

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some " duo boons " ?

pastel jolt Mar 18, 2019, 4:36 PM

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those were added in the murder death kill update! basically, if you have boons from two gods, you can get a 'duo' boon that combines the two

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there's different requirements for each

peak smelt Mar 18, 2019, 4:36 PM

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That's awesome !

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thanks for the tip

pastel jolt Mar 18, 2019, 4:38 PM

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np 👌

wanton raptor Mar 18, 2019, 7:17 PM

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I am

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FREAKING

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PISSED

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I hate Tisiphone

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I was doing so well with 60 heat

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and then comes Tisiphone.............

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thanks obama : (

broken yarrow Mar 18, 2019, 7:36 PM

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I just got athena special with shield along with the duo athena-artemis skill that guarantees crits after deflecting AND got the rapid-fire shield upgrade. Along with the Athena Wrath invulnerability form. Completely busted.

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Perfect defense+120 damage crits on every rapid-fire hit

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was a little slow so I didn't beat my best time so far, but came close

elder mountain Mar 18, 2019, 8:05 PM

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I struggle a lot with the Rail at higher heat levels. The enemies are so beefy and there are so many, and the rail is just 10-12 damage single shots. even with lightning attacks, the bullets are just not effective against the masses. Anyone having success with the rail at 75+ heat? Suggestions?

pure seal Mar 18, 2019, 8:27 PM

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i am this 👌 close to shifting to another plane of reality because of waves of only witches floating out of my reach over the lava

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 8:29 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/557299463673085953/unknown.png
New personal record for boons collected before Meg: 7

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 8:54 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/557305750662414366/Hades_00209.png
"Farthest Chamber Reached: 29" (ignore Skelly, he's just chilling)

forest marsh Mar 18, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Dang, new high score

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Yeah, I already F10'd it

forest marsh Mar 18, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Any idea how you managed it?

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Not at all

forest marsh Mar 18, 2019, 8:58 PM

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28 was already a bit of a mystery, 29 is something else

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I kind of want SG to add in a run record like Slay the Spire where it shows you what each room you took was

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Along with your boons

trim ingot Mar 18, 2019, 8:59 PM

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is it counting infernal gates or chaos gates as rooms???

dusky quartz Mar 18, 2019, 8:59 PM

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I think it was a bug with the Chaos update which was corriged soon after.

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 8:59 PM

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If the hydra is 26, and you die immediately after, then technically 27 is correct. The Hydra can be pushed back to 27 if you enter a Chaos (or heat) gate in room 24, making Chaos (or Erebus) 25, and exiting into the pre-boss room at 26, Hydra 27, and "after" 28. I have no idea how I got 29.

forest marsh Mar 18, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Did you do the same thing before the Fury fight?

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'cause you can mess up the count the same way there as before Hydra, I think

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Even if I did, Hydra is coded to be encounter 26, regardless of how many rooms you actually entered in Asphodel (I once got into 4 Chaos rooms in Asphodel and Hydra was still 26)

regal nexus Mar 18, 2019, 10:19 PM

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I had a bugged run the other day where hydra was pushed back one room for no discernible reason

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No chaos or infernal gates had spawned in asphodel and the fury hadn't been pushed back, the game just decided to schedule hydra back a room

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Seems you must have had the same thing

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 10:20 PM

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🤷

primal folio Mar 18, 2019, 10:48 PM

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shoutout to this build

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441329963044700160/557334601635201024/unknown.png

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gonna do my hydra fight in a second and just wanted to show off my luck

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got most of my health and 2 death defiances in the chamber

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wish me luck

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oh that was an easy clean fight

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that was even a record clear I did it in 15 minutes

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15:22 is my best time like, ever I think?

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Nice!

primal folio Mar 18, 2019, 10:59 PM

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what's everyone else's best times im curious now

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~~idk if there's a place to check that aside from the end screen but~~

forest marsh Mar 18, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Oh gosh, probably not any better than that. I'd have to do a run to find out

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Mine is 14:49

vivid lichen Mar 18, 2019, 10:59 PM

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I have yet to clear it...

primal folio Mar 18, 2019, 10:59 PM

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sub 15 nice

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and you'll get there!

vivid lichen Mar 18, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Keep dieing at 10minutes

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I need to learn to use the dash move more quickly

primal folio Mar 18, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Fury fight get you? or just early Asphodel

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that's around the 10 min mark right

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 11:01 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/556648269908934656/unknown.png
Here's the loadout I had (Another Problem Solved By World Splitter)

vivid lichen Mar 18, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Fury and even some of lesser creatures

primal folio Mar 18, 2019, 11:01 PM

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good lord that world splitter

vivid lichen Mar 18, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Will try again... And again

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Funny you say that because my furthest run was with the world splitter

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That's it #h1-builds-and-combat World Splitter is OP

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Lol

atomic panther Mar 18, 2019, 11:06 PM

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I wanted to make my nickname Another Problem Solved By World Splitter but that's too many characters

vivid lichen Mar 18, 2019, 11:09 PM

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😂 😂

plucky oxide Mar 18, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Fastest clear for me is 10 minutes and 12 seconds with world splitter. Fastest clear with adamant rail was 10 minutes and 57 seconds with shotgun spread.
I'm sure I could have achieved faster if I'd reset the seed and pushed for faster optimization, but where's the fun in that?

pastel jolt Mar 18, 2019, 11:18 PM

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vicious skewer got me an 8m40 clear before it got the nerfbat in the mdk update

plucky oxide Mar 18, 2019, 11:20 PM

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-slams fist-
Give world splitter more anticipation frames.
-slams fist-
Reduce shotgun spread ammo capacity on rail.

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~~except don't they're fun~~

pearl willow Mar 18, 2019, 11:24 PM

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I've got the 'flurry fire' hammer upgrade (+6 ammo, faster fire, more accurate) for the rail - can you always reload it on the run seamlessly (no standing still) or is that specific to this upgrade? I rarely use it.

plucky oxide Mar 18, 2019, 11:25 PM

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That's a change to rail overall, I believe. It might still lock you in place if you reload while standing still, if I recall correctly.

pearl willow Mar 18, 2019, 11:27 PM

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yeah i noticed that as well, you're still stuck for a short bit if you begin the reload while not moving.

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also level 6 epic blade rift is sweet but i was really hoping ares would give me something more to go with it than just area size lol

forest marsh Mar 18, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Had to fire up the game and do a run, but here's my times. Fastest is 14:40.21
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553141358903164941/557344583340523531/Hades_00259.png

elder mountain Mar 18, 2019, 11:50 PM

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From people doing speed runs...does time tick when you are choosing boons? Or when text is displayed?

forest marsh Mar 18, 2019, 11:51 PM

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No, the in-game timer pauses in menus and during dialog scenes

elder mountain Mar 18, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Thanks, with that, and pressing Esc as you land or enter a room, it will be a lot less breath holding and heart racing to get a good time 😛

royal zodiac Mar 19, 2019, 12:30 AM

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Had anyone tried using Thanatos's keepsake in Tartarus and switching to a new one in Asphodel? I'm wondering if you keep the buff after switching.

lost rose Mar 19, 2019, 12:31 AM

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You don't

royal zodiac Mar 19, 2019, 12:34 AM

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Figured as much, was always to afraid to try it myself. Not sure how I feel about that.

echo heath Mar 19, 2019, 12:39 AM

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yeah i feel like that keepsake will only be good when there are more floors

royal zodiac Mar 19, 2019, 12:47 AM

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I mean you get to keep the benefits of the God keepsakes in the form of Boons, and the others aren't dependent on already clearing floors with it to gain a benefit so it feels a bit odd.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 12:50 AM

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It would be nice if they'd change it to keep the buff for now though, third floor doesn't exist yet so skull earring is almost always better

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 12:50 AM

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When you unequip the spiked collar you lose the 60 health.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 12:50 AM

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True, but spiked doesn't have a buildup that you have to earn

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Butterfly is rather unique in that sense, it'd be nice if you got to keep it in exchange for starting with something other than a boon trinket

safe mesa Mar 19, 2019, 12:52 AM

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hey, is it normal for the hydra to spawn six heads when you get it down to 50% of its health?

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i've had a couple runs where it spawns six heads instead of the usual four

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 12:52 AM

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99% sure it's a bug, had it happen once as well

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 12:52 AM

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It's a bug, I'm pretty surw

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 12:52 AM

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it's not normal but it should only happen occasionally

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bbbbasically the game's reading the wrong data for which set of heads to summon and it's using a set of heads it isn't meant to use in that phase

safe mesa Mar 19, 2019, 12:53 AM

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oof

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 12:53 AM

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it should only happen sometimes though

safe mesa Mar 19, 2019, 12:53 AM

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because the first time i did not survive, but this time

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i had two legendary boons

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which carried me so hard

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 12:53 AM

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It is a bug though, yes?

safe mesa Mar 19, 2019, 12:54 AM

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pretty sure it should be

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i had a really solid sword run though

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 12:54 AM

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it's a bug, yes

safe mesa Mar 19, 2019, 12:54 AM

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i had flurry blade with artemis' spawn an additional shot legendary and poseidon's double wave legendary

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plus critical attack and +100% critical damage

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hydra didn't stand a chance

elder mountain Mar 19, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Playing at 76 heat for a while. Take it all off, and you feel like a true half god...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/285800521908879361/557378923751669800/Speed_Run.png

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 1:54 AM

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Sub 13!! Nice!

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 1:55 AM

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👏

elder mountain Mar 19, 2019, 1:59 AM

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I'm doing the run thinking "just doesn't mater what happens just kill the mobs and get to the door and power through". I get to a fountain room, and say "health? bah who needs health?". Pick up the center item and dash strait for the doors. Turn's out you do need health...just to get the door open. Wasted a good 20 seconds figuring that one out.

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https://tenor.com/view/sad-door-gif-10415160

Tenor

forest marsh Mar 19, 2019, 2:05 AM

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Hades: Zagreus, you need to have a drink of water or there'll be no play time with the Wretches! Don't want you dying of thirst out there

plush blaze Mar 19, 2019, 2:20 AM

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stay hydrated you ponderous oaf

turbid needle Mar 19, 2019, 6:15 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387088714334994433/557446945568981005/unknown.png just a casual run, nothing out of the ordinary. just a lot of love and wine 😅

peak smelt Mar 19, 2019, 8:24 AM

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How am I supposed to invest my 50 first heat guys?

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The game's so hard

hasty mauve Mar 19, 2019, 8:24 AM

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500% enemy damage squirtdevious

peak smelt Mar 19, 2019, 8:24 AM

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shadegrief

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Are you serious

hasty mauve Mar 19, 2019, 8:25 AM

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Could be 😄

peak smelt Mar 19, 2019, 8:25 AM

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Lmao

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K then

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Thanks

hasty mauve Mar 19, 2019, 8:25 AM

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Use 60 heat instead

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To get da reward

peak smelt Mar 19, 2019, 8:25 AM

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Yeah right

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But for now I am only at 51

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I have no more heat

hasty mauve Mar 19, 2019, 8:26 AM

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Get more squirtheh

peak smelt Mar 19, 2019, 8:26 AM

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So I thought it could be a big deal to train before the 60

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But the game's really hard and I dunno what weapon choose and which god focus with

hasty mauve Mar 19, 2019, 8:28 AM

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You shall get your own playstyle

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When you play enough

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👍

peak smelt Mar 19, 2019, 8:28 AM

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That doesn't help me though, but thanks

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shadesmile

hasty mauve Mar 19, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Destroy more hell folk squirtdevious

peak smelt Mar 19, 2019, 8:29 AM

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shadeembarassed

errant narwhal Mar 19, 2019, 8:29 AM

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@peak smelt please watch your language.

peak smelt Mar 19, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Sorry man

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Didn't mean to

thorny sun Mar 19, 2019, 10:42 AM

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Q: Do you use a controller?

copper berry Mar 19, 2019, 10:43 AM

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A: Heck yeah brother. Gotta get that auto aim.

thorny sun Mar 19, 2019, 10:43 AM

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I started using mine since it's been plugged in for a few weeks now (thanks DMC5)

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so much easier to hit things

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only problem is accurately aiming things like the bomb on exagryph or dionysus cast

copper berry Mar 19, 2019, 10:52 AM

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Yeah I agree

light nova Mar 19, 2019, 11:08 AM

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@tawdry aurora this is not useless couse u get free boon or heart without need to fight and lose your hp

tawdry aurora Mar 19, 2019, 11:09 AM

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Meh.....Ehh..........true.

hollow totem Mar 19, 2019, 1:31 PM

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@peak smelt heat should mostly go into damage

peak smelt Mar 19, 2019, 1:32 PM

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thanks !

willow wagon Mar 19, 2019, 2:29 PM

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I also go full dmg, and i would suggest it for people even if they consider they need to improve, as ennemies will still be weak in the first part of the run, and you get some fre mileage.
Also this forces you to learn to dodge things.

peak smelt Mar 19, 2019, 2:29 PM

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I need help guys

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what am i supposed to get with the hammer ? 20% less damage ? bull rush 200% damage or 6 foes strike special ? It's my first room item and i'm in 50 heat all invest in damage

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Depends on your keepsake and one the gods you want. Zeus or Dionysus work pretty well on the special upgrade but would be complete crap on the bullrush, but that doesn't mean bullrush is not a good one to take if you get a build for it. Issue with the 6 foes strike is that the shield might take longer to come back though.

peak smelt Mar 19, 2019, 2:36 PM

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i see

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 2:36 PM

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20% less damage is probably not gonna do much for you though, it's better to kill enemies twice as fast than take 20% less damage.

peak smelt Mar 19, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Okay then, thanks shadesmile I'm on Poseidon and Zeus

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Then I'd go for shield special. Zeus is pretty good on it, and Poseidon is nothing to scoff at either.

peak smelt Mar 19, 2019, 2:38 PM

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thanks ❤

copper sandal Mar 19, 2019, 2:58 PM

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It took 46 attempts, but I finally beat the hydra

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Shield with a buncha damage reduction and an epic athena cast

safe mesa Mar 19, 2019, 4:13 PM

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nice!

kind fiber Mar 19, 2019, 5:18 PM

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So I got deadly reversal and gray-eyed vengence

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very powerful combo

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Deadly Reversal is ridiculously strong

forest marsh Mar 19, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Yup

kind fiber Mar 19, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Yep, but i also had the wrath ability from Athena which gives you a temp deflect buff

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 5:19 PM

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It makes Athena cast completely broken because it crits 90% of the time and has a ludicrous base damage

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Nice! You must have been dealing so much damage!

kind fiber Mar 19, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Would have been if my build had been better, but i ended up with a bad cast build and was only dealing about 600 damage with Artemis's cast

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 5:20 PM

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"Only" XD

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Athena, Aphrodite, and Poseidon all have the same mechanic on each of their tier 1 boons (Deflect, Weak, and Knockback respectively). Zeus splits between chain and bolt lightning, Ares has both curse and rifts, Artemis gives crit on some boons and flat damage on others, and Dionysus's cast makes Festive Fog (all his other boons stack Blight Wine). This isn't a criticism, just an interesting observation I've made.

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 5:25 PM

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athena and poseidon also have, unless they've tweaked the numbers and i haven't noticed yet, the highest damage % on their basic boons

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speaking of athena, her wiki page is updated for the mdk update now

hard holly Mar 19, 2019, 5:26 PM

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They go

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60% on attacks, 90% on special

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 5:26 PM

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i didn't notice until i double-checked but it looks like "vast riches" is no longer a boon option from her

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 5:26 PM

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I think Poseidon has the higher numbers on special (I know Athena has 70% now and I remember Poseidon giving 80%)

hard holly Mar 19, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Pretty sure both are still 90%

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Gimme a sec to check

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 5:27 PM

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athena attack is 40%, special 70%, cast is 80-85, dash is 10-15

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at common rarity

hard holly Mar 19, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Huh

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Why was I thinking 90%

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Rare, I guess

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Rare should be around 105, since her epic is 140

hard holly Mar 19, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Yeah, Athena is better than Poseidon in the special department

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She is 70%, he is 60%

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I think they both were 60% before

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 5:30 PM

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okay now athena's updated for mdk, i forgot icons

indigo compass Mar 19, 2019, 6:02 PM

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nice just got my 6th alter, and now we need 20k darkness lol

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 6:04 PM

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You currently need 172,305 Darkness to max out the Mirror. 165,000 of it is for the room rerolls.

indigo compass Mar 19, 2019, 6:05 PM

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damn thats gonna take a long time lol

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 6:06 PM

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That's why you gotta pump up the Heat. Get 400 darkness per Fury fight and all.

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(with Chaos darkness boons and maybe some Ocean's Bounty)

indigo compass Mar 19, 2019, 6:07 PM

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im doing 60+ runs its still fun , did 120 once for the statue lol

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 6:07 PM

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dionysus wiki page now MDK-updated

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just poseidon and zeus left to do and then i can go get a cuppa and cry about having to do ares' page

indigo compass Mar 19, 2019, 6:09 PM

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haha thanks for the work u do sparrow:)

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 6:10 PM

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ares' page mostly makes me cry because i don't understand how any of the non-damage numbers work on his boons

dusky quartz Mar 19, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Which boon are you talking about sparrow?

pliant hawk Mar 19, 2019, 6:16 PM

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400 heat per fury fight?

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geez

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I didn't know it gave that much

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 6:18 PM

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I meant darkness, my mistake.

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 6:18 PM

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just his rift stuff in general

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i can probably figure it out

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Yeah, even a moderate chaos boon and low ocean's bounty can get you there on 120+, by 180 even low + low would work

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 6:21 PM

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also, has anyone seen the rare variant of poseidon's "more wrath when you suffer damage" boon?

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boiling point

proud storm Mar 19, 2019, 6:21 PM

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i think it's +100%

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oh wait rare

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 6:22 PM

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that doesn't match the numbers i have here at all

proud storm Mar 19, 2019, 6:22 PM

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sorry i read epic

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one moment

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 6:23 PM

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But yeah, you get more darkness for a Fury fight than in a normal room already. Add to that Dark Thirst if you pick the right weapon (+10%) and Heat (+2% per point invested) and you can go rather high. If you get a Chaos boon (+20 to +80% if the wiki is up to date on that, which I doubt since I know I got better than that) and Ocean's Bounty which can sometimes lead to +200% with a few poms on an epic version, you'll get so much darkness nobody would believe you without a screenshot 😛

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Chaos is now something like 100-250

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 6:23 PM

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i can only edit one page at a time y'know ;P

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 6:23 PM

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And it stacks multiplicatively with the heat bonus

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It's real beautiful

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Wait... it's multiplicative, not additive? 😮

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Mother of Zag, that's insane!

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Yep! That's why the nyx runs were resulting in full health bars from a single darkness pickup lol

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I'm not sure if chaos and poseidon are multiplicative with each other though

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 6:26 PM

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I'm gonna try some no Heat runs with Poseidon keepsake, just to see how high I can get on darkness without the heat bonus. Will let me focus on building that instead of needing to build my damage and all. Will also let me take stuff like low speed or damage on attack without worrying much.

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Plus, I'm not done with leveling his keepsake, so that will be a good occasion to do so.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 6:30 PM

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👍

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...maybe chaos actually goes to 300

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453609837016645643/557634244600397843/unknown.png

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 6:40 PM

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By the muscular butt of Dionysus, that's a lot.

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 6:45 PM

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between 200 and 250% if i'm reading the numbers right

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 6:46 PM

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That's for rare then? So epic probably is 250-300

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Wow, I just got offered the exact same 3 hammer upgrades in the exact same order in two consecutive runs, but on different seeds. The good ol' 1/504

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 6:58 PM

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How many Hammer Upgrades are there for each weapon?

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 6:59 PM

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9

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 7:02 PM

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The probability of getting any given exact ordering of hammer upgrades is 1/9 * 1/8 * 1/7 (your 1/504). The probability of getting that twice is roughly 1/254,013

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Well yep, but the particular set itself wasn't anything special so the odds of any given repeat are just the 1/504

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 7:05 PM

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What do you mean "wasn't anything special"? You said it was the same set in the same order twice in a row

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Wait, I understand what you mean now.

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The first time it was arbitrary, the second time it was notable

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 7:07 PM

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👍

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Okay, first run only gave me Ocean's Bounty on my third Poseidon boon, in the 21st room, and one Chaos gate with no darkness boon stumptCry

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Also no items to spawn Chaos gates in any well.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Owch. RNG is a fickle beast

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Huh, darn - it's not 250-300 for epic

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453609837016645643/557642532972920890/unknown.png

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Rare is just cutoff at 220 I suppose

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Rare can't be 200-250 anyway, just got one at 197.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Ah

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Them's some beautiful patch notes

hard holly Mar 19, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Vicious Skewer nerf, eh

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Lets see how large it is

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From 20% to 10%

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 7:28 PM

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welp i guess i gotta go back and re-update some gods once i'm done with poseidon and zeus

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 7:29 PM

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They fixed the Artemis Special bug!

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 7:30 PM

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i definitely didn't leave a long and rambling bug report last night mentioning what i thought was causing it

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 7:35 PM

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That smiling shade on the patch notes? That's you, specifically

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 7:37 PM

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fingerguns

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 7:55 PM

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What do you guys think about a Duo boon between Ares and Athena that makes Blade Rifts deflect?

coarse hare Mar 19, 2019, 7:56 PM

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That will be awesome but probably way too strong

hard holly Mar 19, 2019, 7:56 PM

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My framerate dies as is

coarse hare Mar 19, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Considering how long blade rift sticks around, and that you can increase the size

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 7:57 PM

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For the first one second, etc etc.

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Trying to think about how more duo boons can create synergy

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 7:59 PM

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So, had a run where I was trying to get as many Darkness boosts as possible, which didn't happen because:

I only got Ocean's Bounty on my fifth Poseidon boon (sixth boon total)
I never got a Chaos darkness boost in three gates
I ended up being unable to use both attack and dash, with rail, against the Megagorgon... skullcrusher killed me

coarse hare Mar 19, 2019, 8:01 PM

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Hmm...it's not as exciting, but for Ares+Athena duo boon maybe something like "enemies hit by deflected projectiles get cursed (i.e. take extra damage)"?

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But that's kinda limited, maybe melee attackers that get deflected will get cursed too

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 8:02 PM

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That would actually be pretty insane.

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Imagine deflecting the big projectile attack from Hydra.

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 8:02 PM

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I fear that duo boons proccing curse would need to have a static curse damage value, and I'd rather the curse comes from pre-existing damage.

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 8:02 PM

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With a curse of 80, that's maybe 1500 damage.

coarse hare Mar 19, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Yeah and with the high level witches, just stand there and deflect and everything around you dies lol

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 8:03 PM

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Curses don't stack, so it wouldn't be 1500

olive abyss Mar 19, 2019, 8:03 PM

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When did Duo God Boons bcome a thing? I'm guessing it's recent because i only encountered my first one today after playing almsot since the launch of the game.
I was wondering wich combinations you guys have encountered so far?
The one i got was an Athena - Artemis combo where whenever I deflected every damage i dealt was a guaranteed crit for 3 seconds (that got upgraded to 5 seconds after a pomegranate)

coarse hare Mar 19, 2019, 8:03 PM

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I think there is a boon that lets curses stack

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Not in the way you're thinking; it adds a flat damage per extra "stack" (5, at base)

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So nowhere near 1500 regardless

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 8:04 PM

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@olive abyss murder death kill update, last tuesday

coarse hare Mar 19, 2019, 8:04 PM

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@olive abyss it's from the last major update

tiny pollen Mar 19, 2019, 8:07 PM

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What boons and upgrades should I look at for the spear?

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Been a while since I took this old thing out of storage.

coarse hare Mar 19, 2019, 8:08 PM

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The hammer upgrade with +50% damage and crit on the way back is awesome

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(for the special)

olive abyss Mar 19, 2019, 8:09 PM

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artemis and dyonisus boons are what i aim for when doing spear runs @tiny pollen
lots of crits (crits on dash attack boon is a godsend (hah) ) and you can stack blight wine easilly with the high attack speed

coarse hare Mar 19, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Most boons that add some sort of damage (Zeus, Dionysus, Ares) work pretty well with attack or even special

tiny pollen Mar 19, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Interesting. Does deflect proc on the spin attack?

olive abyss Mar 19, 2019, 8:10 PM

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yup

atomic panther Mar 19, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Vicious Skewer is +10%, not +50%

proud storm Mar 19, 2019, 8:11 PM

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ye it got nerfed

tiny pollen Mar 19, 2019, 8:11 PM

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My main go-to is a shield build making heavy use of athena+artemis, so arty/dino might be an interesting twist.

olive abyss Mar 19, 2019, 8:11 PM

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The main problem with the ares boon to the base attacks are that it takes a while to proc the extra damage
I think it's more suited to slower attack speed weapons personally. The passive buff to all damage dealt is dope tho

proud storm Mar 19, 2019, 8:11 PM

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poseidon attack is p good on the spear as well

tiny pollen Mar 19, 2019, 8:12 PM

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I was considering poseidon b/c of the spear's range

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I ought to level his trinket anyway

olive abyss Mar 19, 2019, 8:12 PM

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They nerfed the knockback of poseidon boons on most weapons no? From the base attacks at least?

coarse hare Mar 19, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Darn, sad about the nerf, but +50% was probably too high to begin with

tiny pollen Mar 19, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Ooh. Found a hammer with flurry, extra range, or massive spin. What's the word on these hammer upgrades?

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Seems like flurry jab with Athena or Dino would be strong, but I'm not sure just how fast it attacks

errant narwhal Mar 19, 2019, 8:15 PM

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maybe ive been too harsh on titan toppler

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it certainly wont be my go to but its not that bad, pretty fun to experiment with

icy edge Mar 19, 2019, 8:31 PM

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I cant do >20 heat without titan toppler tbh

The slower speed doesnt disrupt me at all

neon obsidian Mar 19, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Yessss

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Keep buffing my sheild

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Good

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 8:34 PM

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The rooms with a tiny skull on them, they give 20 darkness, right?

errant narwhal Mar 19, 2019, 8:34 PM

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well this was extremely fun

📎 Hades_00072.png

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also yeah they do

proud storm Mar 19, 2019, 8:35 PM

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one of us. one of us. one of u

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 8:40 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/Apf1Vn5.jpg

Imgur

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I need help figuring out how I got 134 from 20 and those 3 bonuses.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Huh, that is odd... if it were all multiplicative it'd be 143, so instead dark thirst and chaos must be additive with each other but multiplicative with poseidon

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since 20x2x3.35=134

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which means dark thirst isn't very impactful in the super high darkness sort of run, only added 4 darkness there for you

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Yep. So shouldn't care about that. Still, getting that many bonuses took me 5 tries and even then I only got Poseidon in room 21, so it didn't get really useful.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Still pretty crazy seeing such high multipliers

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If you were for some reason on 180 heat and still able to get those through veil, that would be a 616 darkness pickup lol

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Or on something more practical like 145, 523 darkness

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 8:46 PM

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And now imagine max darkness AND you get all that stuff before the Fury fight. Completely unrealistic, but that would be 924 darkness.

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In. One. Single. Pickup.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 8:59 PM

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It would be beautiful

burnt forge Mar 19, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Doing stupid challanges,

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Please send them my way eh

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 9:01 PM

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@burnt forge , could you keep stream links in #self-promotion, please?

safe mesa Mar 19, 2019, 9:06 PM

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@burnt forge spear challenge spin attack only

burnt forge Mar 19, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Oh god. That's gonan be fun

safe mesa Mar 19, 2019, 9:17 PM

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also shield challenge bull rush only

burnt forge Mar 19, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Doing the cap America challenge now

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Only shield throws

safe mesa Mar 19, 2019, 9:24 PM

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ooh good luck

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Issue with adding new distinct phases is that it works in a RPG where you'll only have to beat that boss once. In a rogue-like, you can't do that because once you know what the phases are, there's no more challenge with your unpreparedness.

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Even now, with all the heads, it's still possible to dodge everything (balancing issues like getting 6 wave heads at the same time excluded) even with the quantity you get, but it keeps you on your toes.

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 9:33 PM

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[raises hand] you can't get 6 wave heads at once, actually

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Even RNG elements can be quantified and predicted, but that on-the-fly adaption is a nice feeling.

burnt forge Mar 19, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Captain American challange done now spin attack challange

late nimbus Mar 19, 2019, 9:34 PM

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That's fair, and I didn't consider that. And maybe it's just me, but their little bite move seems to hard to see coming

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:34 PM

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You sure about that, sparrow? I once got 4 of them and I'm pretty sure I once got 6 slammers, so I assumed it would be possible to have 6 wavers too.

errant narwhal Mar 19, 2019, 9:35 PM

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personally i can see why they would make it so 6 wavers arent possible but 6 slammers are

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:35 PM

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They have a tell for their bite move, and most weapons have enough range that you can attack from out of their bite range (even the blade).

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 9:35 PM

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I think Bubl's feedback is more to do with the chaotic nature of juggling too much information in the fight. I remember not understanding that Hydra heads are doing damage after hissing until I was able to process it amongst the chaos, and that was far from my first time fighting the boss.

errant narwhal Mar 19, 2019, 9:35 PM

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6 wavers, or even 6 lava spitters or spawners will all be just, extremely chaotic

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:36 PM

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That's why you start with fewer heads. Lets you discover things.

errant narwhal Mar 19, 2019, 9:36 PM

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slammers are the most manageable

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:36 PM

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6 slammers aren't really manageable when they all decide to act at the same time and the main head does too shadefear

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Slammers are the WORST.

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 9:36 PM

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the most heads that are summoned at once are 4 slammer heads in the final phase, accompanied by 2 spitter heads

mint leaf Mar 19, 2019, 9:37 PM

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I like the lava spitting heads the most, honestly. Easiest to dodge, easiest to take out.

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:37 PM

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Weird, I am pretty sure I once got 6 slammers.

late nimbus Mar 19, 2019, 9:37 PM

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I've fought Hydra probably 5 times and it doesn't seem like I learn anything to make the next time better, yknow?

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 9:37 PM

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You will!

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:37 PM

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^

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 9:37 PM

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It just takes time, promise.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 9:38 PM

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The secret is to not let the hydra spawn any wave heads, guaranteed you'll be fine then 👌

mint leaf Mar 19, 2019, 9:38 PM

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I felt that way for a while, too. It gets way easier, trust us.

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 9:38 PM

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lachou i can promise you 6 slammer heads cannot actually happen unless the game is hiding things from me ;P

errant narwhal Mar 19, 2019, 9:38 PM

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yeah! youll get there, i thought the same and i thought its always just luck, but now i can consistently beat it and i dont get overwhelmed anymore

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Once you get to know the various heads, you know which ones to prioritize, you know their tells and a literal no hit challenge becomes actually possible (although hard)

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 9:38 PM

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That's odd, I'm certain I've had 6 slammers as well

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unless that's a recent change, it's possible there's a bug

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Should have taken a screenshot but I was kinda busy dying 😛

errant narwhal Mar 19, 2019, 9:39 PM

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for me, i priortize wavers (yellow) > spawners (green) > spitters (pink) > slammers (normal)

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 9:39 PM

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There's a skill curve, a knowledge curve, a resource curve to think about. It's difficult, and unfairly so (if your resource curve isn't high enough (dependent for players of various skill curve)).

late nimbus Mar 19, 2019, 9:40 PM

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It also doesn't help that I dig the Railgun but haven't used it much, so I have to relearn from the shield to a gun

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:40 PM

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Also, when you said "4 slammers and 2 spitters", sparrow, do you mean it's not actually random and there's just a ton of different sets it can throw at you?

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 9:40 PM

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i mean that indeed

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so far as i can tell, anyway.

late nimbus Mar 19, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Thanks for being so positive, my dudes, and the opinions and facts were super cool to hear

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 9:41 PM

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I don't suppose there's any hope of removing sets that include more than 2 wave heads? At that point it becomes a matter of "Do you have deflect attack? y/n"

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Well, that or having the damage output to deal with them

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Your feelings of frustration are totally valid! It's difficult, but you're improving, with every game.

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:43 PM

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How many runs did you do, ßubl?

late nimbus Mar 19, 2019, 9:44 PM

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That's a good question that I will look for rn

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Jeez, only 25. It feels like more

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:50 PM

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I beat the Hydra for the first time at my 23rd run and I'm pretty sure I'm among the better half. Feels like most people take around 40, from what I've read. I've even seen someone who needed over 100 runs to beat the Hydra.

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So yeah, you're doing good and you still got time before even being considered average at the game. Getting at the Hydra several times at that point? That's being good.

late nimbus Mar 19, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Every time I get to Hydra I get its health down to like 1/4th and then it gets nutso and I die. I also need to do the FPS improvements stuff, that'll definitely help me out

burnt forge Mar 19, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Okay, does charging a spin attack and then dashing which uses the attack class as a dash attack?

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 9:53 PM

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No ; . ;

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Would be too easy 😛

burnt forge Mar 19, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Ooof

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 9:54 PM

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It used to be, but then they got rid of it, rightfully so.

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But now spear lacks any sort of dash attack-uniqueness altogether.

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Yeah, imagine how OP Artemis spear would be if it worked.

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 9:55 PM

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The glory days of Artemis spear, before she was nerfed. The terror...

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Especially if you add Chaos to that.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Prenerf spear with current chaos would just be silly

burnt forge Mar 19, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Nearly finished the spinonly run

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on the hydra

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 10:11 PM

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What boons/keepsakes gain value from Zag already having more health? Like, if I get five centaur hearts, what synergizes well with more health?

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Go Tenebrous Veil and pick both Keepske and Weapon with a random number generator @burnt forge

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If you've already got the Hearts, no boon will do a specific thing, I believe. If you don't have them yet, there is one Poseidon boon that will make the Hearts stronger.

burnt forge Mar 19, 2019, 10:13 PM

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I spoke too soon

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I died on the hydra

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Already having the hearts makes the extra death defy from athena more impactful

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 10:13 PM

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As for keepsakes, maybe Dusa's or Charon's to get more heals?

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 10:14 PM

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ares is now the only god not up-to-date with the most recent patch

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Oh, right, forgot Athena had that one. Guess there's also Dionysus with his healing ambrosias then?

burnt forge Mar 19, 2019, 10:14 PM

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random number generater run it is

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 10:15 PM

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I'm busy watching other stuff, so please post a screenshot of what you have at the end if you win.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 10:15 PM

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The ambrosia one gives max health rather than healing

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Oh, thought it was a heal.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Wait I thought the wave skeleton range was nerfed

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They're still attacking from way offscreen

burnt forge Mar 19, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Run is Sword with the Overflowing Cup Keepsake

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 10:17 PM

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... now I kinda want to try a Poseidon/Dionysus synergy so both Hearts and Ambrosia give insane amounts of max health.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 10:18 PM

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That would be pretty funny

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Dionysus 40% heath threshold damage reduction
There's a trinket that increases your damage output when below 40% as well, right?

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Having more health would just mean getting to that threshold 'sooner'.

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Nope, 'cause the 60% above threshold would also be bigger.

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If you have 100 health, you need to lose 60. If you have 200 health, you need to lose 120. Not really sooner.

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Would only mean that you're safer than usual when it activates.

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 10:22 PM

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So there's little to no value in having more health 🤔 besides the inherent safety it provides a run.

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 10:23 PM

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You get more out of healing sources

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They're all % based

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Aye, that. But it's still playing to its preconceived strengths in a way that doesn't 'jazz' me.

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Would be neat to have some damage scaling with health

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 10:29 PM

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howdy, real quick question: has anyone gotten ares's "engulfing vortex" since the mdk patch and would be able to give me a screenshot of its description?

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 10:33 PM

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Damage scaling with health would probably be too good though. Getting more health gets you safer, if it also increased your ability to kill, it would probably be the best thing in the game.

plucky oxide Mar 19, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Agreed

unkempt pagoda Mar 19, 2019, 10:37 PM

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currently the worst part of the hydra are the green spawners cause if i was unlucky and didn't get a high damage aoe (like poseidon cast) that run, the enemies flood the screen and make the game lag. however that is literally just a problem with playing on a low-end laptop and nothing sgg has done

burnt forge Mar 19, 2019, 10:44 PM

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Random gen run: died in last phase of hydra

late nimbus Mar 19, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Hey soooo does Athena's Wrath make you impervious to EVERYTHING??

forest marsh Mar 19, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Yup

late nimbus Mar 19, 2019, 10:56 PM

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NO exceptions?

forest marsh Mar 19, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Not that I'm aware of, why?

turbid needle Mar 19, 2019, 10:56 PM

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even chaos curse ?

late nimbus Mar 19, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Cuz I totally just died when it was on and had like 30 left

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No Chaos Curse

forest marsh Mar 19, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Not sure about Chaos curse damage, actually... It... shouldn't (?) damage you, though. Haven't tested it myself

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And the Wrath wasn't just ending when you got hit? I can't see how you would die otherwise, unless there's a bug

wintry swan Mar 19, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Hey quick question: does the increased duration from well of charon keepsake mean that I can get multiple chaos gates off of one item bought?

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work that way anymore

wintry swan Mar 19, 2019, 11:12 PM

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alas

plush blaze Mar 19, 2019, 11:12 PM

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They both get consumed when a chaos gate spawns, last time I checked

wintry swan Mar 19, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Oh well

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 11:17 PM

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chaos curses can't kill you directly - addled/flayed/maimed/stabbing curses will play the sound effect and zag will be liek oof shouldn't have done that but his health won't go below 1

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that does Not stop other things killing you while you're at 1 health, obviously

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Wait, really?

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I should've been playing into dash curses in that case, that is great to know

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 11:18 PM

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let me tell you, when you lose health on dash curses, the murderboat gets to be great fun

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 11:19 PM

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I know the feeling, had a run last night where I had two stacked dash curses on it for a total of 7 health loss

pastel jolt Mar 19, 2019, 11:19 PM

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especially now that wavy boys spawn on there

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and bloodstones

regal nexus Mar 19, 2019, 11:19 PM

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but intentionally tried not to dash when low since I thought it was going to kill me lol

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Yeahh, the wave skelly + green goblin + bloodstone ones are a pain

wintry swan Mar 19, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Hey has anyone figured out the rough money amount you get per enemy?

wintry swan Mar 19, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Also, what do people usually go for in the pact of punishment

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I'm currently maxing number of foes, with some darkness decrease

woeful stirrup Mar 19, 2019, 11:54 PM

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I really like Death Insurance, as it doesn't matter much, especially with the Rail.

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Reducing your healing a bit and adding a tiny bit of health to enemies doesn't matter much either. Making prices higher is not usually an issue either.

wintry swan Mar 20, 2019, 12:02 AM

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I usually am off by 10 or 20 when buying stuff so I'm not certain about that one. I don't think i'm going to main the rail so insurance might be a problem for me. Was thinking about increasing enemy damage to try to force myself to git gud but with enemy numbers already increased...

woeful stirrup Mar 20, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Even with other weapons, it's usually fine, but it's especially ridiculous on Rail.

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Also, at low Heat, you don't really need the shops. I usually don't spend any money during my run (except in wells sometimes) and just empty the last shop. Having pricier items just means I can usually buy one item there at most.

night compass Mar 20, 2019, 1:07 AM

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has anyone else had issues with aphrodite's wrath boon causing enemies to move very erratically? i dont know if here or #hades-feedback would be the correct place to mention it but in situations where all enemies are charmed/theres no enemies left for charmed ones to fight, they tend to skitter in strange directions or even jump across the map

lost rose Mar 20, 2019, 1:07 AM

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probably better to bug report it using F10!

night compass Mar 20, 2019, 1:17 AM

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ah ok! i already finished the run though, guess i'll grab it next time

elder mountain Mar 20, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Just got Alecto down to 15% before dying on 100 heat. Fight is so hard, I miss Meg so much.

late nimbus Mar 20, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Hey @woeful stirrup , what did you use for your Hydra fight?

woeful stirrup Mar 20, 2019, 1:56 AM

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It's been a while and I don't have a screenshot for it, but I believe I had the Bow and Artemis' keepsake. However, my build was an Artemis cast build, so I didn't actually use my weapon. It's been a bit nerfed since then (I literally dealt 400 damage per cast) but it's still very good.
I have since beaten the Hydra with pretty much every weapons and a lot of different builds, though, and I do know that some people seem to really hate the bow, so go at it with your own playstyle, you can beat the Hydra with pretty much any build.

late nimbus Mar 20, 2019, 2:02 AM

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I do hate the bow, but apparently the Spear is my bb since I just beat Hydra again, even though I rarely used the Spear before these two runs 🤔

turbid needle Mar 20, 2019, 2:06 AM

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hmmm

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Is it only me or exploding launcher not having backstab ability really brings it down ?

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spear exploding hammer

plucky oxide Mar 20, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Good job, @late nimbus !!! Congrats on the Hydra clear

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And yeah, I... don't take exploding spear. For a while I took it with Dio? But it just wasn't... really... worth the AOE chance, since it effectively halves the amount of stacks you're putting on the target you're focusing on without the recall.

woeful stirrup Mar 20, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Backstab is nice, but not the only good points of the spear special. Exploding launcher is pretty nice to clear groups of enemies. Also, when you're going for high heat, you probably don't have much backstab damage anyway.

plucky oxide Mar 20, 2019, 2:14 AM

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What I DO like about exploding spear is the Attack + Special + Attack + Special endless GOULASH (wow I knew I got that word wrong, but yikes)

turbid needle Mar 20, 2019, 2:16 AM

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@plucky oxide I like the chain you got there with exploding spear

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it still would be nice addon to have that on direct hit, so that you can actually get some additional damage compared to example normal special

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but that's my feeling there

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the bonus isn't that big to just disable backstab, and you still need to position properly to backstab without recall

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even though it's easier to do vs bow, but bow still has +200% damage exploding arrow with ability to backstab

elder mountain Mar 20, 2019, 4:00 AM

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(chuckles) I'm in Danger
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/285800521908879361/557775208547876884/Im_in_Danager.png

forest marsh Mar 20, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Getting Full Throttle flashbacks

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Quick, send out the little windup toy

elder mountain Mar 20, 2019, 4:42 AM

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My 100 heat run. Death on the Murder boat..... getting better though. Anyone have any high heat runs completed yet on the new patch?

regal nexus Mar 20, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Got a 160 and some 145s, but the boat remains the hardest part of the run if you get unlucky with the spawns

elder mountain Mar 20, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Wow, you actually completed at 160 and a 145? What is your set up?

regal nexus Mar 20, 2019, 5:13 AM

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All but whipped for 160, all but whipped + veil at 145. Athena trinket to start for deflect attack, with the goal of finding athena wrath and some form of dash attack (artemis or chaos) partway through the run

elder mountain Mar 20, 2019, 5:28 AM

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Are you finding that your deflect attacks are reliable enough? Like one mistake can cost you 50-60 life. How do you preform your deflects?

atomic panther Mar 20, 2019, 5:34 AM

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My experience is that you just get better at the timing as you play with it more. High risks incentivize better performance. Also, and I am being 100% serious about this, take Titan Toppler (Athena's dash). It is the best deflect in the game, and, all things considered, deals a respectable amount of damage.

elder mountain Mar 20, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Yeah, dash deflect would be really good for getting out of sticky situations with a 360 deflect. I would need to learn the slow a little bit I'm sure. I'll try that next time.

atomic panther Mar 20, 2019, 5:45 AM

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It is also, to my knowledge, one of three things that can deflect ground attacks such as Fury Circles (Athena's Wrath and Vengeance can too)

elder mountain Mar 20, 2019, 5:47 AM

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Lost track of time playing again. This patch has made the game super fun once again. The only high heat challenge is going to be my job tomorrow if I don't get some rest. Night all. Maybe your chops be crits, and your blocks be deflects!

atomic panther Mar 20, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Farewell! \[T]/

turbid needle Mar 20, 2019, 1:25 PM

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shadesmile Adamant Rail: increased speed of Special bombard
thanks greg!

grand patrol Mar 20, 2019, 1:36 PM

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that one might be alice? 🤔

hollow totem Mar 20, 2019, 1:40 PM

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It's always Greg Kappa

grand patrol Mar 20, 2019, 1:41 PM

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everyone else in the noclip doc is just a hired actor huh

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In Seriousness everyone at sgg works hard and should be appreciated 🙌

safe mesa Mar 20, 2019, 2:27 PM

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it’s true and you should say it

regal nexus Mar 20, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Sorry for the very late reply @elder mountain, the deflect attacks are certainly less reliable against most things after the massive nerfs to projectile hit ranges but the main thing you want it for is wave skellies/hydra heads

pastel jolt Mar 20, 2019, 5:34 PM

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time to kick some hydra booty

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regal nexus Mar 20, 2019, 5:35 PM

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5 pom epic attack? Yeah, that seems like a fair fight 😏

pastel jolt Mar 20, 2019, 5:36 PM

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oh it was delightful

atomic panther Mar 20, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Extending Jab, hit three heads in one attack

pastel jolt Mar 20, 2019, 5:37 PM

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i got really lucky in that only one of my waves included the wavy boys

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AND i encountered thanatos blobblush

plush blaze Mar 20, 2019, 5:59 PM

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🌊

light nova Mar 20, 2019, 10:18 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/0hQICPm

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pastel jolt Mar 20, 2019, 10:19 PM

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oh that's a fun one

light nova Mar 20, 2019, 10:19 PM

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who knows do the clouds stack?

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i didnt see that if they are

regal nexus Mar 20, 2019, 10:21 PM

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I believe they did when I gave it a shot before

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Could've been mistaken since I got it towards the end of a run though

upbeat junco Mar 20, 2019, 11:05 PM

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I don't know if people already know this, but I've found something pretty interesting with rerolling. When rerolling the rewards on boon rooms, if the room is a boon with a skull it will reroll into another boon. The new boon is not randomly selected from the remaining boons. There is a small list of like 3 or 4 boons that it can choose from after rerolling the first boon. The first list is something like: Zeus, Dio, Athena and Poseidon, rerolling any of these will give a boon from this list. The second list is: Artemis, Ares, Aphrodite.

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So logically I thought (haven't tried it yet), that maybe in a run if you are only using one god and you use the keepsake for that god at the start. After beating the furies, you can swap out the keepsake for another keepsake that is in that same list as the previous god and reroll that boon into the boon you want.

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After I found this, it was really cool because when I was trying to find Artemis, if I'd found either Ares or Aphro, I 100% knew I could reroll into Artemis.

trim ingot Mar 20, 2019, 11:23 PM

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interesting 🤔

pastel jolt Mar 20, 2019, 11:36 PM

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ughhhhhhhhh i hate the hydra bite attack

woeful stirrup Mar 21, 2019, 1:03 AM

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Don't the keepsakes work again in Asphodel, though? No need to swap. At the very least, I got a Poseidon boon first in Asphodel everytime I was trying to get that sweet Ocean's Bounty.

upbeat junco Mar 21, 2019, 1:26 AM

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To my knowledge, they do not work that way. When you equip a god's keepsake for the first time is when the ability activates and the next boon you encounter will be that god. When going into Asphodel, and you keep the trinket equipped, you're not re-equipping it, so the ability doesn't get activated again. However the 20% bonus to rare boons will still be active because that's permanent as long as the trinket is equipped.

tranquil ice Mar 21, 2019, 1:33 AM

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What other Duo boons are there? I just got the lighting fog thing as well, super fun

unkempt pagoda Mar 21, 2019, 1:33 AM

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the most powerful one is the artemis/athena one

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after deflecting any damage is critical for 3 secs

tranquil ice Mar 21, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Whoa that sounds good

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What are the spawn conditions for the duo boons? Do you just have to have a certain amount from each?

errant narwhal Mar 21, 2019, 1:35 AM

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i think its just one from each?

unkempt pagoda Mar 21, 2019, 1:35 AM

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I think you need to have the boons with the effects that the duo boons have

errant narwhal Mar 21, 2019, 1:35 AM

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i think ive gotten atena/artemis duo when i only had athena

unkempt pagoda Mar 21, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Like the fog lightning, you need lightning and festive fog

errant narwhal Mar 21, 2019, 1:35 AM

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but artemis gave it to me

tranquil ice Mar 21, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Ah, I see

unkempt pagoda Mar 21, 2019, 1:35 AM

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but you only need one boon of each effect

errant narwhal Mar 21, 2019, 1:36 AM

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yep

tranquil ice Mar 21, 2019, 1:36 AM

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Good to know, guess I'll try hunting them from now on

errant narwhal Mar 21, 2019, 1:36 AM

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it was athena, and then immediately the duo

unkempt pagoda Mar 21, 2019, 1:38 AM

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i guess it's because the only effect you need is deflectiion?

errant narwhal Mar 21, 2019, 1:39 AM

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ye

wintry swan Mar 21, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Hey thanks to whoever told me that athena dash was amazing. I was really hesitant when it said slower, but it just got me through hydra with 5 health

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You're awesome

grand patrol Mar 21, 2019, 2:29 AM

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🙌 🛡 titan toppler squad 🛡 🙌

pastel crane Mar 21, 2019, 3:11 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/rhGArkD

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forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Congrats!

elder mountain Mar 21, 2019, 4:00 AM

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First time using Deadly Reversal. Soooo good! Key words "Damage you deal". As in, all damage you deal. Deflect an attack with special, and hit Barbs = 300 damage for the special, whatever damage I just deflected, and 50x10 + distance damage from the barbs. Stuff was exploding!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/285800521908879361/558137293710426122/Speed_Run3.png

elder mountain Mar 21, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Sorry last post for the night. Had so much fun with Deadly Reversal, went for another run to use the same strategy and shaved 72 seconds off that last time.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/285800521908879361/558144188797943818/Speed_Run4.png

safe mesa Mar 21, 2019, 7:59 AM

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i swear the only two weapons i use at this poont are sword and spear

plucky oxide Mar 21, 2019, 8:20 AM

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Yeah, deadly reversal is way too good, when compared to the strength of other duo boons out there. Doubling your damage output with guaranteed crit (which can gain synergy from multiple Artemis boons) is far too powerful. I'd be happy if the duo boon gave me a smaller global crit chance, like 40%.

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All you really need to take advantage of the duo boon is:
Artemis Keepsake at beginning of run, and literally any weapon
+Artemis on special, for duo boon requirement
Athena Keepsake at the halfway mark
+Athena reflect on attack, for duo boon requirement

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Along the way, you grab:
Artemis dash for bonus attack %
Artemis crit multiplier
Artemis crit multiplier on armor

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And then wham, hydra heads dying in two clicks with shotgun upgrade on rail, if you've found duo boon by that time.

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The trick is to take athena's reflect on the main source of damage you're using, as artemis' crit% is thrown out the window as soon as you get the duo boon.

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Again, with the amount of projectiles in Asphodel and beyond, the duo boon is almost constantly churning out perma-crits from all damage sources. It's weird to have a duo boon completely replace artemis' other crit chance boons, instead of bolstering those values up to 100%.

gilded sandal Mar 21, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Agreed, reversal definitely needs some reworking. It does seem like guaranteed crits tend to skew towards being too powerful every time they're in the game (old Artemis dash for example). Your post would probably be good to post in #hades-feedback too

pastel jolt Mar 21, 2019, 9:46 AM

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re: duo boons, check the gamepedia wiki

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they’re listed on each god’s page

plush blaze Mar 21, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Crits in general feel like they should be nerfed

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And then un-nerf stuff which give crits (pressure points etc)

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 1:01 PM

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what does stifling darkness do?

pastel jolt Mar 21, 2019, 1:02 PM

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exactly what it says it does

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it limits how much darkness you can use in the mirror

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at the first rank it limits you to 2750 darkness, and it lowers by another 250 for every rank after that until it caps out at 10 ranks and a 500 darkness limit

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Why would I want to spend heat so I can't progress the mirror anymore?

pastel jolt Mar 21, 2019, 1:05 PM

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the pact is designed to make the game harder, putting a hard limit on how much darkness you can use is one way of doing that

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Isn't the entire point of path of pain is to maximize your darkness spent? I just unlocked it

pastel jolt Mar 21, 2019, 1:05 PM

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pact of punishment, and no, see previous message

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 1:07 PM

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Is there any reward for doing heat runs then?

lost rose Mar 21, 2019, 1:08 PM

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a sense of pride and accomplishment

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also some statues

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But mostly pride and accomplishment

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It's a 100% optional thing that's just there for if you're bored or like a challenge and want the game to be harder

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 1:11 PM

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That's too bad, I guess I'll not spend heat and wait until they add an actual incentive to challenge myself :c

pastel jolt Mar 21, 2019, 1:17 PM

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you might be waiting a while then !

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 1:25 PM

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Yeah I don't imagine it being high on their priority list so far

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 2:18 PM

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If you're at that awkward stage where you have a long way to go (Darkness-wise) in the Mirror but are good enough to use the Pact, it does provide a decent Darkness % bonus for your runs which will help you max your mirror out faster if that's a thing you want

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You get a 2% Darkness bonus for every 1 Heat applied

foggy stag Mar 21, 2019, 2:22 PM

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so i just arrived here, hopefully this is the right place to put feedback on gameplay, i just completed the bone hydra for the second time, i love the game and the never obvious combination of boons you get, its really fun, my only complain is that the only way i seem to defeat bosses is abusing the dash attacks, its all too confusing and crazy on the battleflied to rely on instincts like in games such as monster hunter where your reflexes actually play a role, instead the only thing i seem to be able to do is to abuse dash attacks, so all investiment on other attacks end up becomming secondary and uselss in boss fights, at least for me, which kills a bit the fun. but awesoeme game overall

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 2:23 PM

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there's a channel for feedback right under this one

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Regarding your post about Stifling Darkness @quiet ledge , it's not a permanent cap on your Darkness use. You can turn it off at any time, and you don't even have to use Stifling Darkness in order to use the Pact

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 2:28 PM

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I understand, but it makes it kinda dumber still. Like darkness feels to me like a permanent upgrade, I feel like heat is a permanent increase of difficulty. Minmaxing things by turning stuff on and off feels wrong to me

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Fair enough, I can't inform the way you feel about your own personal gameplay experience

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 2:31 PM

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does tenebrous veil (limiting boons) makes it so you only have 1 option?

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 2:31 PM

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At max level, yes

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 2:31 PM

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thx

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Tenebrous Veil is arguably one of the most punishing pacts to max out, though

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 2:33 PM

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To me it also seems like a bad option to have in the game

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 2:34 PM

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I think it is a great option for those who want the challenge

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These Pacts aren't meant to be fair, they're the embodiment of Hades trying to make Zagreus' life miserable

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@primal cape Where's the notlikeblob reaction for your feedback? Kappa

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 2:43 PM

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How does Hades influence Nyx' mirror? How does Hades choose what the Olympians send to Zagreus?

I am okay with Hades throwing more stuff at Zagreus, it makes sense from the gameworld perspective (he can control the underworld, but can't control Zagreus), and it makes sense from the game design perspective (the character grows stronger and the environment does too)

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This game is about the progression between runs. You hoard heat and you hoard darkness. The character should progress and only grow stronger as time goes on

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 2:48 PM

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And he does, unless you opt in to the system to increase difficulty. No one is requiring you to do it

unkempt pagoda Mar 21, 2019, 2:48 PM

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it’s an optional difficulty increaser

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 2:48 PM

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There for sure will be actual incentives to do heat runs in the future

pastel jolt Mar 21, 2019, 2:49 PM

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[citation needed]

unkempt pagoda Mar 21, 2019, 2:49 PM

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it’s there for the challenge

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there’s a heat bonus and some statues, but most of the fun is part of the increased challenge of the pact

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 2:58 PM

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In my opinion, a good roguelike rewards you for completing challenges

In Isaac you can't unlock all items in the game without doing almost everything there is to the game
In Dead Cells the true final boss is locked behind the highest difficulty (since a few weeks ago)

If Hades will not offer sufficient rewards (new enemies, new boons, new weapons, story secrets etc) for doing post game content such as heat, it will be a good game, but a not good roguelike, in my opinion. There's no incentive for me personally to play after beating the final boss once, and that would be a bad thing

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 2:59 PM

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None of their games have made their challenge mechanics mandatory for completion

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Bonus areas and such, sure

quiet ledge Mar 21, 2019, 3:01 PM

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All their other games were linear. This is different. For having put out such a solid roguelike at least so far, I will be disappointed if they will not hit the same quality mark in post game content

pearl willow Mar 21, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Eh, depends on the player. Some people need a carrot on a stick, some people just want an Everest.

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Not to mention while I consider myself reasonably capable at the game I still haven't even gotten a 60 heat clear lol - the more you hide behind heat the fewer people that will be able to appreciate it.

plush blaze Mar 21, 2019, 3:49 PM

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This is intended mostly to be useful for speedrunners / high heat runners, but I figured I'd share it here too
https://github.com/SyncingShip/Janus

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Save manager allowing backing up, restoring and deletion of profiles, means you can keep many different seeds backed up and load them into whatever profile you want

finite grail Mar 21, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Man Alecto just chews me up constantly with that final rage phase

pastel crane Mar 21, 2019, 4:49 PM

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It seems like Athena/Crit Spear launcher might be a little too strongk

oblique karma Mar 21, 2019, 5:10 PM

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i mean at present the game is like still in early access, im sure they'll add more heat benefits later in the game

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right now yeah it only increases darkness modifiers

safe mesa Mar 21, 2019, 5:29 PM

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i feel like it should eventually increase money and hp gain

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at least a bit

hollow totem Mar 21, 2019, 5:32 PM

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I think it should apply to keys ambrosia and darkness

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As well as heat

tiny sky Mar 21, 2019, 6:16 PM

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I can see the argument for ambrosia and keys, but honestly once you get reroll you'll have enough of each. As for extra heat, the hydra already gives so much there wouldnt be much of a point to buffing that either

tawdry aurora Mar 21, 2019, 6:23 PM

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If you get boon from Chaos with "x%" of more enemies spawning , it´s normal that in skull rooms you got more than 2 enemies. (if there suppose to be just 2)?

tiny sky Mar 21, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Yeah, thats normal. sometimes enemies are upgraded to elites as well

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or completeely changed

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if you have that boon and fight megagorgon sometimes it replaces the crusher with another megagorgon

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its a time

turbid needle Mar 21, 2019, 7:52 PM

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Ngl I can't believe i hated the spear before

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Hell i didn't know you could deal up to 400% dmg

hot basin Mar 21, 2019, 7:54 PM

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do y'all feel like the game got significally easier? before the update i had one hydra kill, and now i'm on my 10th kill (...with a winstreak of 9)

turbid needle Mar 21, 2019, 7:55 PM

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idk man

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i started using the spear after the update

pastel jolt Mar 21, 2019, 7:55 PM

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i mean, i'd say it got harder

turbid needle Mar 21, 2019, 7:55 PM

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but now that i use it is extremly easy

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it's tehnically harder

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but when it comes to the new bosses i kill them in seconds

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only Tis takes more cuz of her "phases"

coarse hare Mar 21, 2019, 8:03 PM

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I'd say the game got harder too with the last update, with the introduction of the wave projectiles. Maybe you just got better 😃

turbid needle Mar 21, 2019, 8:05 PM

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well they are a bit annoying

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you can always dodge em

coarse hare Mar 21, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Yeah I find myself using dash a lot more after the upgrade. It gets difficult with more enemies like on murderboat, or during hydra though

turbid needle Mar 21, 2019, 8:06 PM

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i always used the dash a lot kek

scarlet kernel Mar 21, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Athena is a godsend for wave projectiles. They're huge so deflect works great against them if you find yourself in a spot where you cant dodge

unkempt pagoda Mar 21, 2019, 9:17 PM

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i did my first vicious skewer run the other day

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what the heck

safe mesa Mar 21, 2019, 9:29 PM

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vicious skewer is clutch

cinder dragon Mar 21, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Question: Does heat add any natural difficulty outside of the challenges you buy with them?

tranquil ice Mar 21, 2019, 9:44 PM

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My god Deadly Reversal is good

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Had a game with Coronacht where I had Brilliant Riposte, Relentless Barrage, Clean Kill, Addled Flourish and that duo boon

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The Medusa died in less than a second after I deflected once

safe mesa Mar 21, 2019, 10:02 PM

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@cinder dragon what do you mean by natural difficulty

cinder dragon Mar 21, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Higher stats on enemies, higher damage taken, or other forms of increased difficulty beyond what the heat effects are.

pastel jolt Mar 21, 2019, 10:06 PM

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nope, it's just what it says on the tin

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 10:08 PM

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The only thing not explicitly listed is that Whipped Frenzy increases not just movement speed, but attack speed as well (the two are linked)

final juniper Mar 21, 2019, 10:44 PM

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Does number of hearts you have with each god/character actually have any impact?

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 10:45 PM

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You unlock new lore/dialog with the characters and also get to see some NPC-NPC interactions

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Plus you get ||Orpheus to sing||

final juniper Mar 21, 2019, 10:46 PM

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But nothing like increasing the boons from the Olympians? So not as big of a grind priority

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Nope, nothing gameplay related

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After the first one where you get their Keepsake, all future hearts are just lore stuff

copper berry Mar 21, 2019, 10:47 PM

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Lore limesPoggers

atomic panther Mar 21, 2019, 10:48 PM

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To say it has no "real" impact is, I feel, a little insulting to how much effort was put into the dialogue of the game

plucky oxide Mar 21, 2019, 10:48 PM

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What is one person's grind is another person's 'useless feature'

final juniper Mar 21, 2019, 10:50 PM

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I will fully go through it all, I love the story that SGG does. But more there is no indication if there is more gameplay value than the trinket. So maybe it is worth it to get more ambrosia instead of darkness

atomic panther Mar 21, 2019, 10:51 PM

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I see what you mean, now, and I apologize for my aggressive tone

plucky oxide Mar 21, 2019, 10:53 PM

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I think, you'll find, there are enough situations where you'll opt into ambrosia at your own leisure. Darkness, keys, and ambrosia all have their own use, but sometimes you'll be picking up ambrosia because it's your only real option. The game's design seems focused on allowing players to focus on the content that they're there for, instead of locking that content behind other elements of the game (to some extent).

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Greg recently said something to that effect, how they don't want to force their players to interact with the narrative if they don't want to, while at the same time leaving it open for when they do

final juniper Mar 21, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Oh yeah, its a great way. I know I will eventually have all the ambrosia I need from grinding heat runs. Its a good system. I do still heavily prioritize darkness, but eventually that too will be maxed

plucky oxide Mar 21, 2019, 10:55 PM

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It's totally nature to favor darkness. I did as well. But ambrosia's never felt like a waste when they did pop up. Even now, with my ability to trade resources around, I'm satisfied with any of the resources I find along the way.

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I'd say darkness is more of a grind than heat, actually.

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Here's the post from Greg: https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/521035166471159828/558096042218749973

plucky oxide Mar 21, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Oh sweet, I was about to ask

final juniper Mar 21, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Having the shop is also a great function because there always will be a use for resources you otherwise wouldn't use.

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 10:56 PM

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That post is kind of the end of his comments, so you can scroll up if you want the full context

plucky oxide Mar 21, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Gosh, that's a neat attitude to be taking. So refreshing, in the day and age where content I want to experience can so often be locked behind barriers I don't really feel like dealing with.

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 10:59 PM

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SG is my favourite dev team for a reason friendly

plucky oxide Mar 21, 2019, 10:59 PM

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I get the counter to that as well, from a game designer stand point of like, trying to make the player experience as much flavors their game can offer, and to push them 'out of their comfort zone'. But man, that take is so less... refreshing.

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 11:00 PM

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The way that SG really makes it work is that I think they inevitably convince you effortlessly over the course of gameplay to want to interact with the optional parts of the story

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Probably a clumsy way of saying what I mean, but hopefully you understand

plucky oxide Mar 21, 2019, 11:03 PM

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No, I totally get you. The game should be the comfort itself. You should want to explore it all, see it all. There shouldn't be any forcing to begin with.

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 11:06 PM

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@oak steeple I agree that the fries are a bit off, but the "sandwich" is a gyro — a relatively modern Greek food, based on a slightly older Turkish dish (doner kebab). Even fries, though, are a common accompaniment to it. Not sure what would be a better item to use, if not that

copper berry Mar 21, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Besides the container in which the fries are drawn, they are good.

pastel jolt Mar 21, 2019, 11:09 PM

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personally i think it's hilarious, i love the McHades look

copper berry Mar 21, 2019, 11:09 PM

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For my money the off part is the Gyro meat y'know? It is that kind of Greek-American gyro meat, which is a mixture of ground beef and lamb.

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Well with that said Sparrow, then I agree.

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McHades.

oak steeple Mar 21, 2019, 11:09 PM

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@forest marsh I don't think I have a problem with the chosen food being the gyro, more so with the manner it is displayed (very modernised with the traditional fast food style). Especially the packaging as @copper berry mentioned

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 11:09 PM

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That's fair

pastel jolt Mar 21, 2019, 11:10 PM

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in that case you might as well take issue with zag calling everyone 'mate' and skelly calling him 'boyo' bc i'm not sure that's mythologically accurate either

copper berry Mar 21, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Ahoy there!

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bouldy

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 11:11 PM

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I'm constantly having flashbacks to Darren on stage between Setting Sail, Coming Home and We All Become when he channels Skelly skelly whenever someone references his way of talking shadeohboy

south comet Mar 21, 2019, 11:12 PM

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I know i was freaking out when i heard that

pastel jolt Mar 21, 2019, 11:12 PM

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god the chat was glorious

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 11:12 PM

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It was

pastel jolt Mar 21, 2019, 11:12 PM

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a sudden tidal wave of people like DID HE JUST

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Surprisingly even the SXSW chat was great for it

oak steeple Mar 21, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Modernising the dialogue is fine, the worst thing would be reading something full of "thou" and what have you. But I would find it off-putting if Ares had an ipad or Charon used an cellphone (as funny as it would be)

atomic panther Mar 21, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Charon gets a call, pulls out his cellphone, and just goes "Oh hi mom"
He's been a method actor this whole time

oak steeple Mar 21, 2019, 11:15 PM

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hahahaha that would be the funniest thing

atomic panther Mar 21, 2019, 11:16 PM

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Charon: Wow these props are very real looking haha. What do you mean this is real lava. What do you mean 'Gods', wh

radiant night Mar 21, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Charon, watching Meg pass by: wow these costumes are wack

grand patrol Mar 21, 2019, 11:22 PM

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i think ares is a streamer on twitch in his free time

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shooter games obviously

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hey. charons been groaning the whole time bc he doesnt speek ancient greek n hes winging it

copper sandal Mar 21, 2019, 11:58 PM

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What do people think of athena's dash boon?

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I keep on getting offered it as an epic and it feels kinda disappointing

forest marsh Mar 21, 2019, 11:59 PM

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It requires a change in gameplay, but it can be quite good

turbid needle Mar 22, 2019, 12:00 AM

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I rarely ever take it, personally

pastel jolt Mar 22, 2019, 12:00 AM

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i avoid it like the plague

turbid needle Mar 22, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Maybe I should more often

grand patrol Mar 22, 2019, 12:01 AM

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i think its a love or hate jhfhjfj

forest marsh Mar 22, 2019, 12:01 AM

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You really have to use it deliberately though, it isn't suited to the panic-dash that some others are

turbid needle Mar 22, 2019, 12:01 AM

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I really like Hunter's Dash, especially with the bow

forest marsh Mar 22, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Lots of watching attack animations and timing the dash to intercept them

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Hunter Dash is life if you're running bow

plucky oxide Mar 22, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Hunters Dash is insane on three things, from least insane to most insane:
-The majority of bow.
-Sword's dash attack hitting twice and giving 15% crit chance.
-Gun, but only the shotgun move.

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It is also pretty good on shield attack builds, especially with bull rush. But other dash boons can be considered much better for bull rush shield builds.

hard holly Mar 22, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Honestly, I think Athenas dash is alright

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I dont use it because its slow and I like to be the fast

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But its still good

copper sandal Mar 22, 2019, 1:23 AM

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TFW you take a chaos boon forgetting that you're about to head into a fury fight x.x

plucky oxide Mar 22, 2019, 1:23 AM

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It's really really good, in terms of damage mitigation. Amazing when you don't have all your dashes yet especially when fighting Meg. It's definitely not my playstyle either.

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Oof

forest marsh Mar 22, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Had to do a Meg fight the other day with just bow special 'cause I had a Chaos curse on my Attack notlikeblob
It wasn't actually that bad, just took a bit of time

copper sandal Mar 22, 2019, 1:30 AM

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yeah, that was me and alecto just now

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at least my special was upgraded a little