zeus is def not fine with most stuff. he needs high attack speed and rail seems to be having the highest attack speed in the game currently
#h1-builds-and-combat
still pewter
green musk
rail seems to be on par with spear
it's not that fast, with the choppy reloading.
Also the three grenade special, whilst alright. should make the grenades be able to be fired more quickly
you often have to dodge before getting them all off.
arctic venture
wow I love being able to kill a hydra head in one clip of this gun
tough tulip
both should do it
arctic venture
yeah zeus and flurry fire
green musk
200 damage per clip.
So on its own, it is extremely bad. but some upgrades make it very potent.
arctic venture
I'm just gonna enjoy this as much as I can before zeus gets nerfed tomorrow
arctic venture
the only one I saw required 12 active heat
toxic acorn
i've seen 44
arctic venture
oh wow
errant narwhal
F
proud storm
L
hard holly
I have yet to win a gun run
But Im also playing at high heat and not being very careful to dodge things
Also boy
Its so satisfying seeing the special you lined up flying slowly but surely ot the enemy
arctic venture
right??
green musk
I only like the gun on shotgun upgrade. because then I can be agressive
arctic venture
I love being able to aim at spawning enemies too
green musk
It needs an upgrade for doing more damage when close
plush blaze
Here's an 8:38 on the new patch
11:26 real time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHVf4N8UMf4
arctic venture
the flurry fire upgrade is inaccurate enough that it definitely feels rewarding to be very close to enemies
in exchange for doing like 1,200 damage over the course of a few seconds
tough tulip
4/4 with gun now
grim loom
ohhhh hard choice i have: daedalus vs ares+zeus
arctic venture
daedalus every time :(
arctic venture
as much as it pains me
grim loom
gun
hard holly
But yeah Id say Daedalus
grim loom
two boons
hard holly
Definitely Daedalus on gun unless you dont have an attack boon yet
Because Ares does nothing for you
Actually, no
tough tulip
what's the cap on the new mirror upgrade?
grim loom
i have chain lightning on attack
hard holly
This is the one rare case where the special upgrade on Ares isnt bad
But still
Daedalus is safer I think
dusky grove
what up with the pact of punishment and the infernal gates. I havent figured out how that works so far.
tough tulip
all 5 of the upgrades I've had so far have been awesome
plush blaze
I think I like infinite chamber a bit more than double ammo faster fire rate
tough tulip
yeah same
grim loom
is aphro damage resist worth having?
arctic venture
good to know!
plush blaze
Reloading just kinda feels awkward
It's nice you can dash out of it though and still reload
tough tulip
shotgun > infinite > triple bomb > seeking > double ammo
of the ones I've tried so far
imo
arctic venture
I really disliked seeking
arctic venture
yeah I agree with ship
grim loom
can you get two daedalus hammers in one run? if so imagine shotgun+infinite
plush blaze
Nah just one
grim loom
rip
tough tulip
boring opinion
plush blaze
I haven't so far strider
Opening it as a tsv or csv gets you sort of close but it's a mix of gibberish binary data and english symbols
strong hornet
just me that feels the gun is a bit awkward to use. only had seeking so far tho, something with how it interacts with dashing and everything. Think im getting hang on it a abit tho
plush blaze
And it's not a standard .sav hex file
tough tulip
yeah was wondering if it was similar to any other already known about save formats
I haven't had a look at all yet
grim loom
infinite ammo completely nullifies meg's bullet hell volley
plush blaze
arctic venture
blocking with the shield feels so much more consistent!!!
tawdry sleet
Not feeling the new weapon too much 😦
grim loom
which would i get more mileage out of?
pastel jolt
okay, dionysus's cast is absolute buckets of fun and i love it
errant narwhal
@strong hornet im deleting your post in feedback, please report bugs in-game with F10!
atomic panther
Beat the hydra first try with this weapon, triple bomb is absolutely busted
silver tartan
I honestly like dionysus' cast but I find it not nearly as useful as any of the other casts
prime blade
Daedalus Hammer is much rarer now, or I have really bad luck finding it? 5 runs, in one of them I haven't find it in first location, one with hammer in shop just before Meg, and one with hammer itself just before Meg. I think today is bad day for casino
hollow totem
Hot blood isnt that good
@prime blade bad luck
I've been getting it at normal rates
silver tartan
Well I'm not usually one to depend on the casts but I usually just use boiling blood for the bosses, and since it can't inflict it, it's of little use to me.
I dash way too much and when you dash and release the shot at the same time it can go off in a random direction
icy garnet
I just had a crazy run, got the poseidon's increase all gains boon early, and then upgraded it. It seems op straight up. I mean, look at hose max health numbers. Before Meg and Hydra(hope those links work hehe)
https://i.paste.pics/45ee43318148c31e7b3490aac13b212b.png
https://i.paste.pics/1d6f46706648265b1973c8a523bbeb72.png
hard holly
Ok so
If a special hits multiple enemies
Do you get multiple Zeus bolts?
I guess Ill go with my gut and assume that you dont
icy garnet
But not sure if a glitch or intended feature, the bonuses from poseidon's boon don't apply if you buy Centaur Hearts from Charon, and that sucks. Can someone help me out and tell me if I should post this to feedback? I sent a bug report already from the game, just don't know if it's a bug
terse plank
They just changed it this patch so that it does't affect the shop
icy garnet
Oh thanks boyos. Read through it, but since I didn't really use it before, it didn't register. Still, even this way, the numbers are insanely good. If you get some healing stuff like Dusa keepsake(it's my favorite) or a chance to drop items from enemies, it's almost impossible to die in regular rooms.
terse plank
Life drinker mark 2
vivid wasp
New weapon has some nice synergy with Dionysus Boons, I feel. Might be a bit much, or maybe it just makes a lot of sense to me, I don't know
weary grove
New weapon wasn't bad. I did enjoy throwing the bombs at the infernal bombers. It'll take some time getting used t oit.
vivid wasp
Also, the mortars bounce off the walls. I don't know if there's much to be done there in the way of deliberate gameplay, but it's something to think about, I guess. At least poorly aimed shots won't be wasted?
pastel jolt
i still can't work out if enemies are moving out of my crosshairs incidentally or on purpose
hybrid kestrel
did anybody have extreme stuttering in megagorgon room?
still pewter
I did. be sure to F10 it, it's useful
vivid wasp
Yes. Only place it happened.
ember magnet
Anyone know if there's a special upgrade for hexagryph?
meager blaze
new weapon + zeus left click + zeus legendary(dirst one in 40 runs) + double attack speed. Man, the kill speed is frightening. Even before the legendary zeus + new weapon feels op, after the leg it's downright broken
rich lantern
There are!
ember magnet
Ah so I've been really unlucky then :'D
meager blaze
the only downside to this, is amount of stuff on your screen is bonkers. You can barely see what to dodge
also new wapon + poseidon while amazing in tartarus, is hilariously bad in ashpodel
still pewter
zeus in actuallity is the god of || frame drops ||
turbid needle
lol true
pure ice
poseidon knockback boons in general lose a lot of their shine in Asphodel
meager blaze
huh, I have a pretty outdated pc, but never lagged due to zeus
gritty skiff
Flurry fire + zeus attack boon = 2 min hydra fight guys https://paste.pics/b1307e604417bff84cdd1eb41b3379fa
still pewter
they do aeralis. it's a shame. mostly due to flying enemies being immune to lava
meager blaze
well shield + poseidon doesn't really care, bow + poseidon allows you soft cc
vivid wasp
Yes. Not enough collision opportunities
pure ice
I had my first bout of slowdown earlier today, while Aphrodite was busy throwing tons of thugs and louts at me in a jealous rage
meager blaze
i mean you can use lava as a collision opportunity
vivid wasp
not for flying enemies
still pewter
still, most of poseidon t2s lose tons of value on ashphodel (like the one that gives you stun on wall slam, or extra wallslam dmg)
meager blaze
but the worst part is that new weapons range is lackluster, therefore you actully constantly push mobs put of your range
and seeing how artemis is useless for new weapon, you can't even use for dash synergy
yeah stun dies in ashpodel
btw, apart from zeus, what do you think is good left-click boon for new weapon?
worn owl
why no dash synergy?
pure ice
Ares' boon is great on the gun
meager blaze
cuz it deals 10 damage
vivid wasp
Dionysus
meager blaze
Isn't ares curse not procking, when you have already a curse instance on an enemy?
glossy slate
there is dash synergy, it's just not as apparent as the other weapons
meager blaze
It seems to me that everything with more attack speed then the ares curse duration is a bad combo
glossy slate
dash attack is a two round burst and bonus damage applies
still pewter
you can't reapply curse until the current instance is resolved
glossy slate
it's not as potent as most buffs, but it's better than nothing
vivid wasp
It works, sort of, with the shotgun hammer upgrade, but mostly due to playstyle.
still pewter
intuitively, ares is bad on high attack speed stuff. in reality it might still be better than % dmg increases
glossy slate
effectively, the higher your attack speed gets the less DPS you get out of Ares
pure ice
that's the hook. Since each bullet has such low power on its own % boosts kinda suck, while Ares curses are a flat high damage
glossy slate
better off going for Zeus if you hit more than once a second
vocal totem
did anyone have any trouble with the fps drops in the megagorgon fight
still pewter
ofc zeus is the best option
pure ice
and gun hits don't delay the curse activation, so you wind up with a crazy high DPS gain
glossy slate
Ares would be damn useful with the gun special though
pure ice
but yeah, zeus is of course great too
meager blaze
It feels underwhelming that zeus is not only the best option, it feels like zeus is THE option(for left click that is)
maybe crits from artemis
still pewter
but if, say you apply 1 curse per 4 rounds, then considering boons on rank 1, ares is more than twice as good as athena, the highest +% dmg buff
glossy slate
oh yeah easily
fluid moat
the ares is nice if you have multiple enemies around
glossy slate
assuming you're not dealing with projectiles at least, then Athena wins out anyways
static skiff
The interaction between poseidon and the new weapon is....counter-productive kinda
still pewter
poseidon doesnt work very well with many basic attacks
glossy slate
not necessarily
worn owl
Pests are actually dangerous now huh
glossy slate
the guns main weakness is that there's zero hit stun on attacks
meager blaze
shotgun + crits + more crit damage + back staby stabs is also good, but the reload after second shot made me take almost 70% of all recieved damage
worn owl
and was the shield always able to block explosions?
glossy slate
with poseidon you sacrifice damage in exchange for safety
meager blaze
shotgun in generall prefers very aggresive playstyle, but punishes you with the reload
static skiff
I've noticed that the knock-back from poseidon with the new gun is inconsistent, sometimes enemies get knocked to mnt. olympus and sometimes they dont budge
Even when they aren't in animations
kind fiber
Yeah, knockback seems to be overtuned in certain areas
still pewter
O. they improved the input buffering on the shield! YAY! how does it feel for you guys?
kind fiber
Been using the new weapon mostly so I haven't had a chance to look at the old weapons
pastel jolt
so i'm running exagryph with the shotgun hammer and aphrodite just offered me her cast boon
kind fiber
Bow's special seems like it might be viable now, seeing as its cast speed is much higher
pastel jolt
y'know. in case i wanted more shotgun funtimes.
kind fiber
Well
pure ice
guns are melee weapons now
kind fiber
Artemis boons are amazing with the shotgun upgrade
Well, you should know that after playing bastion honestly
static skiff
They improved the shield? hype intensifies My favourite weapon
kind fiber
How do I make a bug report?
hybrid kestrel
press f10
worn owl
the shield is feeling amazing
kind fiber
Brings them up around the value of the other similar boons
hybrid kestrel
i'm a shield main but railgun seems better with wine god's attack boon
blam blam blam, enjoy your poison while i dodge everything
turbid needle
yeah shield + dionysus isn't the most efficient
turbid needle
dionysus just isnt the most efficient
hybrid kestrel
i mean railgun + wine poison seems better than everything, with my playstyle at least
turbid needle
i think dionysus works decently well on gun
kind fiber
I dunno how good the wine god's boons are yet, seems weird mechanically, similar to Ares delayed damage boon. You want to attack fast enough to get the debuff on quickly but you don't gain as much value from it as you do with flat damage boons like Zeus
turbid needle
railgun + zeus beats it
but its still good to me
idk the poison is just fun
and you keep it stacked with how fast the railgun shoots
glossy slate
alright I have a poseidon shotgun run going right now
cleared meg
boss damage is god awful but basic clear is hilariously effective
ember magnet
Erm what exactly does fated authority do?
kind fiber
Take artemis and get the hunter dash so you deal massive damage after dashing
pastel jolt
oh my god
hybrid kestrel
Did anyone have the chance to check if invul enemies get damaged after activating revenge effects?
kind fiber
Fated authority? whats that
pastel jolt
so that might not have been my fastest clear but it was certainly one of my faser hydra kills
ember magnet
New mirror upgrade
hybrid kestrel
i secretly hope they do the dmg even when they're invul
glossy slate
I can oneshot enemies by launching them clear across the boss chamber
500 damage wall slams
kind fiber
@ember magnet It allows you to reroll a door. See a door that you dont like and want it to spawn something else? Walk up to it and press Q
grim loom
shotgun melts meg, wow
kind fiber
Shotgun OP, OP
pastel jolt
i was busting the hydra down to the next phase in like..... four shots? bang bang, reload, bang bang, oops invuln again
kind fiber
@ember magnet Once per run
turbid needle
shotgun? is that an upgrade for the railgun?
kind fiber
Yeah
ember magnet
Ah
kind fiber
shoot 10 shots in a spread, reduce ammo count to 2
turbid needle
yeah the shotgun is so good
pastel jolt
10-shot spread, but can only fire twice between reloads
turbid needle
you melt everything down
kind fiber
Does it have piercing properties?
ember magnet
It does
kind fiber
It seemed like it maybe did? Not sure. Doesn't describe it as having it on the text
hybrid kestrel
noice
turbid needle
it does?? i didn't notice that but maybe
ember magnet
I mean I'm fairly certain it does cause I poisoned like 5 enemies quite a bit with 1 shot
worn owl
I guess that's how I am gonna get my clear with it
ember magnet
I wish you could test daedalus upgrades & boons in your room
turbid needle
there's a separate piercing upgrade for the gun so i thought that maybe it didn't
kind fiber
I think you should be able to collect two daedalus hammer upgrades
One for your attack, and one for your special
ember magnet
Hm that sounds decent
kind fiber
So that the one you don't upgrade has a chance to catch back up
rich lantern
#hades-feedback my friend
kind fiber
Oh?
worn owl
not like any of the specials are worth using tho.....
kind fiber
Wasn't sure that raw suggestions would go there
worn owl
Oh I forgot, sword
pastel jolt
man, speaking of boon variety over in feedback, i feel kinda bad that i got a choice between a poseidon boon and something else last run and i chose the other thing
because i had a 'full' loadout that wasn't poseidon boons, so all he was going to be able to give me was ocean's bounty or sunken treasure
glossy slate
the only problem I'm seeing with the Bass Cannon build is that It's a giant pain in the ass to keep track of enemies
grim loom
lmao poseidon knockback on the shotgun is hilarious
open mural
First try with the new weapon, got the hammer that special is 5 projectiles and then extra +228% special dmg from Athena boon and +59% special damage from Chaos boon
grim loom
just yeet things across asphodel
open mural
Hydra died so fast
glossy slate
I hit something so hard it bounced off the wall and the cloud of dust it left behind as it died settled behind me
grim loom
do chaos boons get stronger later or smth?
grim loom
huh
worn owl
haha
glossy slate
poseidon attack with shotgun
kind fiber
Chaos boons get different rarities, probably just highrolled an epic rarity
glossy slate
I can record a quick clip of it hold on
worn owl
do you think they'll ever add a legendary chaos boon?
kind fiber
@glossy slate Whats that like? Do they get knocked far away before you can shoot them a second time?
pastel jolt
also yeah chaos boons can go that high, if you scroll up a bit i had +41% and +42% boons
open mural
Yeah. I had Cosmic Egg so have higher chance on rare or better chaos boons
kind fiber
Sure, but do they stick around long enough for you to shoot them twice? Or do they just immediately fly off the screen?
meager blaze
I wonder what you guys think, as I can't post into "feedback". Make so that poseidon knockback distance scales with damage dealt by your weapon. SO a peashooter will at most stagger the enemies, while 500 damage bow gods will send them to tartarus and back. Seems to go better with the flow of most weapons, as I doubt you really want your sword to push enemies next screen with each attack, and won't hurt bow and shield playstyles.
worn owl
I don't think you need to shoot them twice from the sound of it
kind fiber
Depends on the environment and the type of enemy
Flying enemies will just get scooted across the lava
dire mason
Hey @meager blaze ! To post in feedback, please check the pins there.
kind fiber
Yeah, that strikes me as really annoying. Not an upside
pastel jolt
i really, really wanna try out zeus attack on gun
kind fiber
Its amazing
glossy slate
the upside is 500+ damage wall slams and stuns
turbid needle
it's glorious
static skiff
Can someone just remove the gorgon heads from the game please? Just right-click and delete them please. ;_;
toxic acorn
what's the boon path to the dionysus legendary boon?
worn owl
I want to try a zeus shotgun
turbid needle
zeus shotgun is awesome
meager blaze
@primal folio thanks
pastel jolt
if you gimme a minute, amber, i can look it up
kind fiber
@turbid needle Zeus shotgun works? Does 300+ damage per shot?
toxic acorn
👍🏻
static skiff
But what about ares + shotgun?
turbid needle
idk how much exactly it does but it's really good, it was my fastest run ever
primal folio
@meager blaze youre welcome but- why?
worn owl
hahaa
turbid needle
lmao
worn owl
you sure take your time
kind fiber
Hey, I was just remembering how the numbers were positioned on the end screen
turbid needle
i'm not fast at all and all my previous times were around 20 minutes but zeus shotgun got me down to like 15 minutes
primal folio
oh i knew this would happen eventually
kind fiber
it looks like it should be minutes
turbid needle
so i think its good
primal folio
two caitlins and I get @ first lmao
pastel jolt
okay, so you need one each from the following groups:
1: peer pressure, numbing sensation, bad influence
2: tipsy shot, wrath of dionysus, high tolerance
any combo, so long as you have at least one boon from 1 and one boon from 2
toxic acorn
is that different than how the other gods work?
kind fiber
Gods are unique
meager blaze
@primal folio there are two Cailins here, sorry for bothering you :3
kind fiber
They require specific setups to obtain perks based on prerequites so that you can actually benefit from the proceeding boons
still pewter
there can only be 1 cait
dire mason
I was here first, but I'm technically the fake because it's not my username. 😭
primal folio
fight fight fight fight fight
toxic acorn
every other god (besides chaos) has a [tier 1]->[tier 2]->[legend] progression
primal folio
it's mine too! i picked it myself
dire mason
I don't want to destroy you. 
toxic acorn
artemis also has the burst shot progression too
dire mason
I joke, we're just eternally the spiderman point meme. Okay back to gameplay discussion. 👀
kind fiber
TO THE DEATH! We must see who is superior
errant narwhal
caitlin doesnt want to destroy caitlin.... but the dancer does
primal folio
the dancer is the third party
dire mason
Slam dancers? That's me, baby.
primal folio
they shall destroy us both
pastel jolt
amber, the stuff in group 1 has prerequisites
toxic acorn
i wish the wiki had his page up already ;-;
so technically you need 3 boons instead of 2 to get his legendary, then, since it's [prereq]->[boon a] + [boon b] -> [legend]
that's interesting
he needs more loyalty, it's kinda neat
you'd think a drunk would require less devotion to spill his secrets...
glossy slate
weirdly I've only found him once so far, and I think that was a guaranteed spawn because of the update
errant narwhal
i got dio legendary by taking tipsy shot+nasty dash, then numbing sensation, then the legendary (black out)
turbid needle
its fun at hydra ngl
errant narwhal
it made the hydra incredibly trivial
and im someone who struggles with beating it
worn owl
just an extra 30% damage?
still pewter
that legendary is fascinating. I wonder what the prerequisites are
definitely not the same as traditional ones
pastel jolt
hi i've got zeus attack + dash on shotgun and i am praying i get splitting bolt just bc i wanna make the hydra cry
toxic acorn
looks like something with festive fog and 2 blightwine boons. it was posted fully up there
static skiff
How do you get legendaries?
errant narwhal
the gamepedia has info on that
pastel jolt
mmmmgjhghgj fine i'll get the full tech tree for dionysus's boons
still pewter
NO
errant narwhal
sparrow you are a blessing
still pewter
enjoy yourself for a bit
errant narwhal
you... were the real boon all along
lost ore
I'm sure like, everyone is saying this, but praise unto shotgun.
pastel jolt
no i want to get the info onto discord at least
still pewter
sparrow, how does shotgun interact with zeus? never tried it
errant narwhal
pretty sure the dio leg just requires the haze combo and then any t2 boon
pastel jolt
so far it just seems to be a lot of zappy death to anythign you shoot
lost ore
I think that's the first time I did Hydra deathless
errant narwhal
i just really wanted to say dio leg
still pewter
so more than 1 bolt per shot. likely 1 bolt per pellet?
pastel jolt
alma i could literally just copy paste the code in here but it will make No Sense unless you know what his boons are called in the code
so i need to Translate
errant narwhal
oh yeah i have no idea lol
pastel jolt
Peer Pressure: Nasty Dash, Blight Strike, Blight Flourish
Numbing Sensation: Nasty Dash, Blight Strike, Blight Flourish,
Bad Influence: Nasty Dash, Blight Strike, Blight Flourish,
High Tolerance: Tipsy Shot, Wrath of Dionysus
Black Out: One each from following sets
Peer Pressure, Numbing Sensation, Bad Influence
Tipsy Shot, Wrath of Dionysus, High Tolerance
they didn't need to add high tolerance to black out's prereq set because you'll need one of the other 2 in the same set to get it in the first place
still pewter
do trial of the gods rooms feature gods you're seen in your run so far?
icy edge
I dont know if anyone else has the problem, but I NEVER get to see poseidon.
Had like 7 runs with a bottle of ambrosia ready for him (my save died so i began anew) and not a single blue boon
still pewter
bad luck most likely
on my early days, I though ares was a "late game" god because I hadn't found him in like 10 runs. turns out I was just unlucky
grim loom
is it better to go to a boon on a boss room or to go to charon with almost 400 gold
is it worth gambling charon having more than one thing worth buying
lost ore
Depends on the god, but more often than not I'd go Charon.
grim loom
spear
hard holly
But 9/10 times
The answer is Artemis
With Ares that goes to 10/10 times
*Spear
Ares only has 1 boon thats decent for spear
grim loom
five boons
hard holly
Urge to Kill
grim loom
oh really
grim loom
well i already entered the room rip
grim loom
yeah i already have special buff
quartz frost
So the homing bullets + deflection attack is stupid strong vs Hydra
hard holly
Well, hopefully you get Urge to Kill then
grim loom
fingers crossed lmao
quartz frost
Beat it with the gun on my first try
grim loom
eyyyy epic urge to kill
grim loom
deadly strike
grim loom
mhm
grim loom
ohhhh i always forget the spin
static skiff
Why does my dash feel less responsive when I use the flurry fire daedelus hammer upgrade?
icy edge
Honestly
I hate the dionysus ambrosia boon
Feels like a mirror upgrade, or even an option to use ambrosia bottles during runs for a heal
quartz frost
I didnt mind it. Plus free ambrosia
violet stirrup
Hi guys, all my progress got wiped after the new update
is there any way for me to regain some of it?
Or edit the save file in any way?
rich lantern
@violet stirrup If you go to Documents\Saved Games\Hades are there any files there?
rich lantern
Sound like you lost access for some reason.
Whitelist the game in your antivirus software, or allow access to your Documents folder in Windows Defender. Ensure that you have a folder at Documents\Saved Games\Hades
Follow the information here https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4046851/windows-10-allow-blocked-app-windows-security
Follow Step 5 here to disable OneDrive sync for Hade's Save Directory: https://windowsreport.com/access-is-denied-windows-10/
forest marsh
@tall gulch You can already turn off auto aim in the game settings
tall gulch
I must have missed it. My bad.
icy edge
I mean we could technically ask for the ability to toggle it on a per-weapon basis
But I dont really see the need for it
violet stirrup
I can access my save files from the location too right
icy edge
Well yes, you can, I was just mentioning what we can bother SGG to do xD
rich lantern
@violet stirrup Did you disable OneDrive?
rich lantern
Can you DM me a screenshot of your save folder?
violet stirrup
This might be a fault on my part
violet stirrup
sure
rich lantern
well then
violet stirrup
dm'd
forest marsh
Good luck, Caitlin!
icy edge
I actually beat the hydra in my new post crash save for the 1st time with zeus rail
zenith ice
I've been enjoying POISON GUN but lightning gun sounds real good now that you mention it...
icy edge
That thing is hilariously powerful, but it does need hammer to really shine
zenith ice
yeah, rapid fire is a must
hard holly
Eh
I think its good either way
The only hammer upgrades Im iffy on are cluster bomb (its kinda bad) and uh
Reload on dodge
Because its kind of not that relevant?
hard holly
Controller
forest marsh
I like the reload on dodge, myself
hard holly
Also, its "Owen"
forest marsh
Though it's not much different than Infinity Chamber
hard holly
Surprisingly
It works alright
Its a bit annoying when you have triple cast
But for regular, aiming is fine
primal folio
made it to the last stage and lost cause of one needle
I was at 9 hp
took one projectile when it was at like 10%
hard holly
The problem with the reload on dodge one is just that its not that relevant since you can just reload then dodge anyway
primal folio
and here i was hoping to get the first rail clear F
hasty mauve
3 clears on rail as of now 🤔
still pewter
it's sort of like the infinite ammo one, but without the fire rate restriction
hasty mauve
Seems kinda op op
primal folio
i rain with armor piercer rather than the reloads
i think i lost the fight cause i didnt have any way to take out all the bloodless eggs quickly
atomic panther
I need to try out the shotgun later tonight
primal folio
oh ive been on that its
forest marsh
I enjoy the shotgun
primal folio
youve really gotta dedicate yourself to like- a super tanky build imo
forest marsh
And the tweaked bow special is much nicer to use than before
Piercing Barrage on Bow is pretty insane, especially with Dio/Zeus/Athena/Poseidon boon
primal folio
oh definitely
still pewter
yeah, it's insane with dio
bold grotto
atomic panther
Flurry shot is fun until you miss 7 attacks in a row and the numbskull hits you and kills you 🙃
night pasture
oh no it takes 6 keys to unlock and I only have 5 stockpiled this is the worst thing that has ever happened in hades
turbid needle
:/
worn fulcrum
I really like Dionysus's cast
still pewter
check the broker, he might help you out
trade some darkness for some keys or something like that
forest marsh
Two Zeus 
- Artemis 
devotion rooms in a row 
And I started this run off by altering the Ares reward for the second room to Artemis. It's a blessed bow run
still pewter
I've been saying that trial rooms are somehow skewed
forest marsh
They absolutely are
It seems like lately they take the first two gods you find and then that's that
Which is kind of cool, in a way
But reinforces bad initial god selection
So it is either fantastic (like this one) or awful
Rarely in-between
still pewter
yeah. the fact that multiple trial rooms have the same rewards
grim loom
is it just me or are the boons from trial rooms generally weaker than normal?
forest marsh
Just you, I think, or bad RNG
still pewter
that shouldn't be the case
forest marsh
I've had them all over the rarity map
It's definitely disappointing when you get all Commons on a Trial, though
still pewter
might just be an outcome with how trial rooms work
(continuing what I was saying)
aksdbasdf it's so hard putting this into words
pastel jolt
i’m about to go to bed but - dionysus has a very very bare bones wiki page that at least has names and descriptions for his boons, even if i didn’t get the numbers sorted for most of them before i gave up and logged out for the night
so that’s a thing now
atomic panther
Good night, and thank you!
pastel jolt
😔 👌 i go sleep now
still pewter
💤
lost ore
It can get very good, ye
forest marsh
You know, it wasn't until about a week ago that found out that in Asphodel, the pillars will always spawn money at the start of the level and up to a certain point during combat (and sometimes after if it's a short fight). You're guaranteed 3 if you get them early enough, and I've had up to 5 give 
@marble apex Can you please split your feedback into individual messages for each point of feedback? Thanks
violet stirrup
hey guys you know the bedroom decor you can buy?
are there any uses to it
other than the one that shows you your deaths/attempts
forest marsh
Currently there is no other functionality, it's just swag
violet stirrup
Aw
I would just love to interact with the Aphrodite poster and get a closer look of it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
pastel stone
Anyone trying out the new pacts of punishement? Trying to figure out where to put 120 heat
violet stirrup
I guess I left everyone speechless at the beauty of this comment
hehehe
Now that's a keeper
twilit prairie
just started playing yesterday, tons of fun! Shield seems like easy mode compared to the other weapons, well at least for me it felt like that...lol. Does anyone else think the World Splitter upgrade for Blade is a little overtuned? I got it at the start so I was doing +300% dmg per hit and I was 1 or 2 shotting everything in the first 10 rooms or so.
http://prntscr.com/mkbv4j
glossy turret
I found the rich dwellers shop I don't about you guys but I would sure hope its worth the price. (I already reported the bug just thought you guys might get a kick out of this) https://imgur.com/a/BHMur6m
forest marsh
Wooooow
atomic panther
That Tinge of Erebus tho
night pasture
eh, you just need to rank up the wallet a few thousand times
I got the new boon cast and a couple of fully loaded levels and it was super easy to clear groups of enemies, good times
atomic panther
Let me put darkness infinitely into Deep Pockets so I can get these
glossy turret
For those wondering though I got this glitch by having the pact that increases prices of things and rapidly left and re-opened the Well menu (so I would avoid that if you have that specific pact on)
glossy turret
it seems to apply every time you re-open the Well, which I would agree is quite funny
upbeat junco
Anyone got any build ideas for the gun, I was thinking that maybe Ares curse for attack is the best. What do you guys think?
atomic panther
If you can get the triple bomber upgrade just stand back and spam special
It deals a ludicrous amount of damage
smoky sparrow
@upbeat junco So far - Zeus and spread shot was working great for me. Also special can do absurdly high damage with Poseidon boon - not only it does high damage on impact but also it slings everything into lava or walls.
atomic panther
I haven't tried poseidon special with it yet but I desperately want to
smoky sparrow
I had it with Artemis crit-enable boon two runs ago. It can crit for 600 dmg so, yeah, mini nukes are real.
viscid ice
who thought that was ok
like holy blood and darkness this seems strong
gain 41 max life whenever i pick up an ambrosia
kind fiber
Is it 41 max life or 41 life restored?
I thought it was the latter
Ambrosias rare enough anyways so it might not matter too much
autumn tapir
Explosive Shot + Blight Strike
enjoy putting poison on everything in the room
upbeat junco
i just checked and it's plus max life per ambrosia bottle
when you get the boon it gives you a bottle with it and after getting that and 1 more bottle i have 213 life after starting with 125
viscid ice
alright gun is kinda busted
autumn tapir
on a scale of Day 1 Sword to Day 1 Shield, how busted
forest marsh
Gun isn't that busted, gun + boons is busted 
Seriously though, it's not that bad. It scales maybe a bit too well with things that proc on hit, but that's a precarious balance
By itself it's a bit underwhelming
grim loom
^
forest marsh
It's definitely no more busted than the old bow and spear crit dash builds
Bow crit dash is making a comeback though with the latest patch
kind fiber
Yeah thats about right
The shotgun is also amazing
the shotgun hammer upgrade that is
forest marsh
Yeah, it's Fun
autumn tapir
explosive shot has given me an actual reason to use the bow now
kind fiber
What does it do?
forest marsh
I much prefer the new Explosive Shot over the old Steady Shot
But it's not the best bow upgrade in my opinion by a long stretch
Explosive Launcher for the spear is fun
forest marsh
I love how much more useful Spear and Bow specials have become with this update
kind fiber
Yeah, the bow special seems usable now
forest marsh
Explosive Shot is the replacement for Steady Shot. Slower charge speed in exchange for more damage, except it explodes on impact now
Explosive Launcher makes your spear special shoot an explosive spear, and you don't have to recall it
So you can spear special and still keep attacking while it's in the air
kind fiber
Its still basically a melee skill, but its actually got the damage output without putting you in massive danger
forest marsh
Mirage Flight for shield is also super cool
kind fiber
Is it just me or is the multi skewer basically a better version of the shield's special?
i haven't tried the shield and its upgrades for the patch yet tho
grim loom
what's mirage flight do?
forest marsh
Your shield throw is slower, but you can attack while it's out doing its thing
forest marsh
It's amazing
Throw it, it bounces around and does damage but you can keep doing melee attacks
Couple that with a good boon on the special and you're sitting pretty
grim loom
oh very cool
kind fiber
Basically, I'm wondering why I wouldn't just keep doing melee attacks and take a different option. Is it really that useful while its out there? Can you throw out multiple shields at once or just attack while your fake shield is flying around?
forest marsh
Just one
Pair it with Dio, for example, and it will be out doing work putting Blight Wine on things
Pair it with Athena, and it will deflect while you're pounding away on close enemies
It's a way of managing both close and far enemies at the same time
kind fiber
So its a utility option where you use it to proc boons while its flying around?
grim loom
or ares and compound ridiculous curse damage, yeah?
forest marsh
Pretty much
grim loom
tasty
forest marsh
Vicious Skewer is very tasty
kind fiber
So the return trip should deal 450% damage
dealing 300% damage on average with a high likelyhood that the return trip is also backstabing
Im dealing 547 backstab damage to Meg with this build
Got posiedon's boon on the special + chaos's buff to special damage ands its absurd, especially this early on
forest marsh
Yeah, I can usually knock Meg into the first Impervious state by the time she finished her first dash with Vicious Skewer
It's great
Open with a salvo of Casts, then special
kind fiber
I don't think I remembered to cast her
So I think I could have been dealing more than 800 damage on backstabs
forest marsh
I make it a habit to always Cast at bosses
Even if I just have base cast, the Boiling Blood bonus is 👌
kind fiber
Yeah I know
But I was doing so much damage that it was almost a dps loss to cast one
i just forgot
atomic panther
I'm a little sad that they fixed the spear special boiling blood interaction and then immediately messed up the gun special boiling blood interaction
hard holly
What interactions?
forest marsh
Whether or not it procs, I imagine
atomic panther
Yeah, boiling blood used to not benefit spear special at all, and now it does, but it doesn't benefit the mortar now
I've already submitted a bug report, I just hope it gets fixed soon
hard holly
Yeah, right
I thought Boiling Blood increased all damage
It however does nothing for Blight either
atomic panther
Boiling Blood only increases Attack and Special. It used to increase all damage, including other casts, but that was broken with Artemis' cast buff
Among other things, but that was the big one
upbeat junco
Sweet, I just beat a run using 60 heat and 120% shadow in the pact of punishment
atomic panther
Noice
upbeat junco
finally get to see the second reward
forest marsh
Friends, I've discovered a corrupted Zeus... His text is dripping with black ichor https://streamable.com/ezsfr
cold oriole
ok in terms of more serious feedback
what do you guys think on the rail spec's impact on the pot breaking meta
mellow aurora
lol wut
either way the rail is broken
at least with the daedelous shotgun upgrade
shrewd harness
Would anyone pay this price for Aphrodite's Wall-Scroll? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400588715015012352/545098100025327631/unknown.png
south comet
yes
atomic panther
Would you not?
forest marsh
Of course
I am a completionist
I must acquire all the things
No matter the cost
mellow aurora
id pay that much for an artemis painting ❤
latent vine
Sorry to high jack the current comment thread!! but has anyone else experienced their gold coins not transferring over between runs? I have the Deep Pockets perk leveled to 50 and i have also unlocked the Hypnos boon. Whenever i am killed between runs I always have no coins remaining tho. This issue has affected me since the first patch in January. Just wondering if this is intentional or not 😃
forest marsh
Coins don't carry over anymore, the Cthonic Coin Purse now gives a set amount at the start of the run
And your coins don't show up in the House of Hades if I remember correctly, only when you start the run (I could be misremembering this though)
solemn junco
It is only when starting a run. Coins are arena based currency
night pasture
auslot you wouldn't have been doing anything unscrupulous like trying to dodge the money penalty by repeatedly closing and reopening the well now would you
shrewd harness
Nah, it just caught me by surprise when I had saw that the Wall-scroll was at 8000 when I finally noticed it on the 2nd well I came across
Thought "Maybe I'll just get the Eye of Lami-what the heck"
solemn junco
Does anyone else here agree that the spear upgrade "Flurry Jab should be nerfed? I just did this run and im seeing that it may bee TOO powerful at the moment
shrewd harness
Hmm, not sure, haven't run Spear yet with the Flurry Jab.
atomic panther
TEN MINUTES
solemn junco
Yeah
shrewd harness
But it definitely gets the job done it seems o-o
atomic panther
I need to try this immediately brb
shrewd harness
Gotta die in Asphodel so I can rub it in Meg's face that lava can be more effective than her fighting me
solemn junco
All i can say is, if you wanna do easy runs, get the spear and use either the explosive special, flurry jab, or increased range. You'll clear a lot more safely and get quick heat
shrewd harness
Either way turning off the Convenience Fee Pact for the moment until that's sorted..
night compass
yeah flurry jab is a bit OP
i dont use spin attack very much in the first place so it was a no brainer pick for me
shrewd harness
Zeus and Poseidon must really want to mess with me if I have two rooms in a row that require me to choose either of them.
rapid flicker
I am the same way with Flurry Jab. While I do use spin attack on occasion and it is a bit helpful, I don't miss it a whole lot once I've gotten Flurry Jab.
When I chose some other god over Dionysus I actually kinda felt like I betrayed him, lol. He just sounded so sad, like, "I thought I had you figured out, man." Or whatever he said.
Dio just wants to have a good time :c
valid burrow
Roomclear 101 with the new weapon: flurry fire + lightning strike. It's just stupid, lol.
forest marsh
One use per rank, refreshes every run just like Death Defiance
arctic pewter
Oh I've never actually bothered to use death defiance so I didnt know it refreshed
Cheers
pastel jolt
you... never bothered with death defiance???
arctic pewter
yeah I just assumed it was a one time revive crutch and never really tried it out
arctic pewter
Wow so death defiance is super useful I guess
pastel jolt
hence my surprise at why you would avoid it
arctic pewter
yeah this would have made some stuff so much easier
is there a way to check clear stats aside from just beating the hydra
pastel jolt
nope, just gotta kill it
heady zephyr
lots of combos with the rail are broken
the zeus lightning one on default attacks is crazy
if you stack damage and crit bonuses on the special it's insanely good too-
can nearly oneshot a hydra head once you bust through its armour if it crits
arctic pewter
Yeah rail gun zeus is real fast
Dionysus on rail gun attack is pretty good as well
primal kayak
Cluster bomb is really fun
lost rose
hohhhhohohohohoh
shaved a full 3 minutes off my best ever time with this absolutely broken combo of zeus attack boon and flurry fire
pastel jolt
i’m starting to regret taking shotgun zeus attack in that run i have paused at home
green musk
shotgun is athena or poseidon lol
hasty mauve
Theres a shotgun boon ? 😄
proud storm
Attack
hasty mauve
Ooo
hasty mauve
That seems like fun 👍 Haven't gotten that yet
static skiff
I tried flurry fire and got absolutely rekt, couldn't hit anything.
tame depot
My my... things are expensive in hades
hasty mauve
Some things
What are your guys best times for runs btw ?
I peaked at just under 13 minutes 🤔
tame depot
Yup
errant narwhal
ooooof
lost rose
looks like a counter somewhere rolled over
still pewter
oops ven beat me to it
tame depot
Nope, the 100% price increase from skulls is applied every time you open the shop
and this was me trying to get it to overflow
lost rose
oh my god
inland rover
yo, wanted to ask what you guys think of mirror upgrades. really concerned that steady power increase kinda undermines rogue-aspect of the game? like in isaac or slay the spire you dont ever get permanent buffs. i think it might be better to make it trade-off decisions? like 1 more dodge for less cast ammo, or more damag on distance but less in melee to fit ur style? otherwiese there's a grind element to the game which i dont feel is good. thoughts?
lost rose
There are definitely some folks on the server who feel that way!
Personally it doesn't bother me a whole lot? I think it fits with the narrative of Zag growing in power, or at least accepting help from others in his journey, and the game has plenty of other meta-run elements in the story and character relationships anyways
hasty mauve
Well theres heat
So if the game feels too easy just use heat to not be able to use the mirror so much 😄
Or make the enemies do 500 % damage , that's always fun
still pewter
I agree with you on a fundimental level favor, but it it an elegant way to improve the accessibility of the game
I'd rather it be more fun/interesting and less raw power but it does serve a purpose
inland rover
i mean it#s probably not main priority. its just weird that you can max it out
errant narwhal
I like that it’s there alongside an option for a challenge that takes some of it away
Because without the mirror I would not have been able to play this game
turbid needle
and you can always just opt for not using the mirror
errant narwhal
I’m... not very good at games 😅
hasty mauve
I think the mirror adds good choices for runs though , adding heat makes the game just about perfect. As of now atleast
turbid needle
dw i'm not good at games either so bless the mirror
hasty mauve
Blessed be thine holy mirror of the underworld
lost rose
Honestly the power rush from blasting through stages i used to struggle with is incredible
And even with the mirror maxed out, I still struggle if I have a bad boon loadout
hasty mauve
I did go through the game with no upgrades to see if it adds up
Its honestly not that hard Imo
Except with heat 😄
inland rover
yeah, but that power rush would be more satisfying if it was due to skill not due to time spend tho right?
icy edge
The shield tweaks make poseidon runs insane
Zag feels and hits like a freight train
lost rose
if i want skill i'll do a heat run
inland rover
or finding a good build maybe
lost rose
but sometimes....sometimes i just wanna burn through everything super fast lol
proud storm
Have you tried the new spear special upgrades yet
tame depot
Anyone getting more crashes in this build? this is the third run that's been crashing for me
still pewter
I don't agree with the "you can opt out of it" argument. it's not raw challenge I seek, I don't want to design my own runs
lost rose
Yeah, Ace, there are several known crash issues
turbid needle
i'm just saying it's an option
still pewter
I hear it's a bit unstable
tame depot
thanks
still pewter
I know where you're coming from but it's really not for me. I'm playing hades, all its systems are there for me to interact and enjoy, it's part of the experience
lost rose
so, here's a question then: how is me dying over and over because i'm not skilled enough not a grind, but me dying over and over and at the same time getting meta upgrades that let me progress instead of banging my head against the wall a detrimental grind?
because like
idk, that can be an extremely frustrating experience in its own right
and it does feel like a grind when you can't get anywhere
(tho thankfully hades' story progresses...to a certain extent...whether you're doing well or not)
still pewter
hey, I don't mean to say the mirror is bad, or it shouldn't exist, I just don't like it. It might be making the game better overall.
lost rose
Like where's the line, is what I'm asking, I guess
for you
What makes a grind, a grind
still pewter
ugh, I have the perfect example but not all can relate, it's from dead cells
and I'm not against the mirror because it is "a grind" per se. mostly because I'm used to other meta progression structures from other games
that are more fun not more hard, that's the selling point
lost rose
Oh sorry, I thought you had said that
It's a pretty common thing people say about the meta-upgrades so I got confused ;;
Especially after that GMTK video came out
Everyone watched the same vid, lol
hasty mauve
I dont think the mirrors mske you super powerful though
I feel like its the same as getying tve first levels and items in an rpg
You gain some power, but it wont make you instawin
still pewter
I guess I am against it at a fundimental level. not a good way to see things for pragmatic arguments. the bottom line is if SGG think it's good then I wholeheartedly trust them, they got the magic sause, not me
hasty mauve
Magic saaasshuh
In the end though , are our arguments are invalid until the game is finished
green musk
I think the mirror is very fair. Not everyone is as good at playing hades, some'll like an easier time.
hasty mauve
This is true
turbid needle
it definitely makes the game more accessible imo
hasty mauve
I think of myself as pretty good in games like Hades 🤔 metroidvanias and roguelikes all that jazz. And I feel like the difficulty curve of Hades and what it can be is quite great
It can still change so much though
still pewter
I will say that using heat as a system (or limiters on other sgg games) never appealed to me. I'm using heat in my runs but I don't feel good interacting with that system. It's so against the mentality of beating games. I'm used to using every tool in my disposal to overcome a challenge. I'm not used to adding to it in this way. Heat, more than anything, makes me feel like I'm designing the run for myself and I really don't like that.
green musk
I don't like some heat modifiers
like the enemy healthy +
Bullet sponges are annoying to fight
hasty mauve
I like designing my own runs 
The enemy movement speed increase is literal hell
Fatbois and skulls charge at you like sonic on speed
WROOM
lost rose
I've never used the difficulty modifiers in SGG games before because I'm not a masochist and i like my games to be fun, not bang-my-head-against-the-wall hard, but being surrounded by so many really good people here makes me feel required to back up my modly position 😂
hasty mauve
Im quite happy no one has said git gud yet
still pewter
It's not one particular modifier for me, I just feel directionless at times. I'm playing the game to experience what the excellent devs want me to experience. creating an amalgamation of that product feels off. I'd like to see some predetermined heat combos like "the challenge of the minotaur" or whatever that allocades 15-60-120-whatever heat and it does so in a balanced way that delivers a certain experience. That ofc wouldn't interfere with the current heat system, you'd still be able to freely allocade heat
lost rose
well, not in so many words.... lol
still pewter
maybe I'm too stuck up with preconceived notions
hasty mauve
The days of souls games left my soul broken with gitting gut
still pewter
of hard modes and new game+'s
hasty mauve
About heat
15 and 60 were really really easy
But the jump to 120 is a whole new level
Which I do not like
lost rose
15 was pretty simple, I agree. 60 has been giving me trouble, especially since I'm not even consistently beating the Hydra yet, but it doesn't feel impossible
still pewter
definitely. It's really extreme but for good reason
hasty mauve
Its kinda like difficulty levels in fps games
The hydras patterns are quite easy to remember and abuse
lost rose
I wonder how much of a game feeling like a grind lies in how impossible a challenge is made to feel 🤔
Yeah I just don't do my homework
hasty mauve
Only problem is 3rd phase magma spam on certain runs🤔
green musk
I definitely think that yeah, using heat to unlock bonus bosses that can't be avoided with incresingely difficult patterns would be nice.
Coz, if you use heat.... you're more likely to start cheesing the game because you can't beat it otherwise
hasty mauve
^
On high enough heat. This is too true
But then again
0 heat and maxed mirror I can do a run with any weapon and build easily to beat hydra. So the difficulty curves are still really weird😂
green musk
armored numbskulls with +50% hp, increased speed and 2X death defiance...
with enemies like that you just have to run bow/rail/spear/shield and play the distance game.
hasty mauve
Yeah.
still pewter
cries in sword
still pewter
agreed. sadly
still pewter
sword is my favourite weapon 😢
thin glacier
50% more HP
increased speed
2x death defiance
with sword?
Challenge accepted.
hasty mauve
Thats dumb grinding
It does not take skill
Just time
SO MUCH TIME
You know what Zagreus needs?
Megs Whip
lost rose
he needs a Nap
hasty mauve
Faabulous
green musk
I mean
you can beat heat runs with sword
poseidon boon + nova
Every time anything gets close enough to threathen you, YEET them.
hasty mauve
Lmao
still pewter
true
hasty mauve
GIT OUTTA THEERE
still pewter
but what I enjoy about the sword is the vanilla combo
green musk
It just takes 5 years to cleear rooms :^)
I do too, it's definitely more boring to use nova
hasty mauve
Ketrai I liked your statement on feed back
still pewter
spamming special isn't as fun
hasty mauve
Very good nice Idea
hasty mauve
There are other guys
still pewter
I also love that suggestion
hasty mauve
Heat works in dumdum ways mostly
still pewter
it would indeed require a lot of work, but fingers crossed
green musk
It's like playing divinity on tacticians mode to me 😛
hasty mauve
It makes the game time consuming/time harder and frustrating
green musk
tho, in tacticians they do get extra attacks and buffs
hasty mauve
Not skill harder
green musk
but also +50% health, armor, etc....
I stopped playing hades for a while when I lost a 60 heat run on hydra lel
I started another run, got mostly thugs with super beefness
so I was like, weh. nevermind.
hasty mauve
I had an angry fit today
lost rose
damage-boosted rooms full of armored numbskulls 😖
hasty mauve
Atleast I didnt YEET my pc
green musk
Happens often for me with the gun or other long range weapons
because like, you are focused on what is far.
so you don't watch zagreus that much.
hasty mauve
Yeah
green musk
it's especially an issue because of the angle the game plays at.
In isaac for example, the scope of the levels if much smaller, you can always keep track of isaac.
Even when shooting something across the room.
But that isn't really something they can realistically fix.
it might be nice to have an indicator you're standing in lava tho
hasty mauve
That would be neato
still pewter
yeah that kinda sucks
green musk
:^)
still pewter
green musk
just certain tags you can bother the bot for
still pewter
but you do
still pewter
give in
hasty mauve
still pewter
robbit best gungeoneer
hasty mauve
Yeee
still pewter
wtf that emote is sO GOOD
green musk
I mean
hasty mauve
O woops
green musk
casts that can't lodge are usually stronger
to what that guy just said in feedback
WHich ones can't lodge, just hades?
hasty mauve
^
still pewter
dio, ares
green musk
Dio and ares have really strong castes tho