huh. so they changed it so you can take lava damage after killing the hydra?
#h1-builds-and-combat
pastel jolt
pastel jolt
oof
still pewter
well outside the map
pastel jolt
yeah, it was funny to just go splashing about
livid kraken
Yeah, I did it this week Uno
livid kraken
Patience and a lot of deaths
hard holly
Granted, Im getting lots of frame drops
livid kraken
bow is terrible for 150
hard holly
Which sometimes just makes me eat a hit I would dodge otherwise
livid kraken
spear is the way to go in my opinion
hard holly
Ehh
Bow still is the safest while doing the most damage
Especially now that quick temper is gone
livid kraken
Bow doesn't let you stagger and range is useless on hydra
pastel jolt
interesting. it looks like the only boons that cancel each other out are the basic attack/special/cast/dash ones. i'd thought that was the case but it's nice to poke about the code and confirm it
still pewter
dont perfect shots stagger?
livid kraken
It doesn't matter on 6 head phase. Spear has enough range there
It's just not enough space to make bow good there
I posted a video of max heat hydra kill if you want to watch
it's somewhere in self promo
hard holly
Idk, from my experience spear has a really tough time against hydra because instead of the one attack hitting you
You have like 4 attacks that are quite likely to hit you
Though maybe if it runs more smoothly there is actually a tell for them
livid kraken
on 6 head phase your objective is to kill two heads close to each other. You can't choose which ones. The game does that for you. It depends what first heads do. If you get 2 heads dead you have enough space to safely clean everything
still pewter
they get stuck in the pillars at times
pastel jolt
it also depends on which head types you get
the ones that stomp when you get close will sit there and do nothing if you're out of range
still pewter
unrelated with high heat hydra
there was a suggestion in feedback
what if hydra heads popped up in nomal rooms in ashphodel
hard holly
Like the Spire in Transistor?
livid kraken
Sometimes you can get behind hydra head and it doesn't charge attack but it's going to use it's special eventually. It looks like a bug
livid kraken
Well you can't rush max heat run. Every hit matters
It is faster now with less enemies from pact mod
hard holly
Thats not even it
It just takes much longer due to the health up and damage armour
And Im not a fan of that
I should probably write feedback on that, but it seems a lot of people like it
livid kraken
I'm tryin no hit hydra on max pact but I managed to kill it 3 times while getting hit. Most of the time I die in Aspho tho
It's more difficult because of increased hp+armor
You can't win with lucky boons now
hard holly
Screw it, Ill write the feedback
livid kraken
it's all about patience and knowledge about mob attacks
pastel jolt
ughhhhh why is designing stuff so hard
pastel jolt
i'm trying to make an easy reference sheet for god boons, but i'm getting stuck on how best to illustrate the tier/prereq system
still pewter
do edits spam the mods?
pastel jolt
proxy's logs go to a different channel now, so not really
still pewter
thank god
pastel jolt
i could just use a notes field to list the prerequisites for a boon 
indigo compass
damn, just finished a 60 heat run with bow
severe sinew
congrats
severe sinew
Im just waiting to do that challenge, I would rather "complete" the codex first
hard holly
What heat split did you go for?
indigo compass
i had a bit in everything, tried keeping enemy count and dmg low as possible
limited my darkness to about 2500 to get some good mirror upgrades aswell
also went for only one boon option cuz they are 10 heat each
worldly sage
What are pacts?
indigo compass
a way to make the game more challenging
worldly sage
Ah I need to beat the hydra don’t I
somber epoch
man this new patch is sick
indigo compass
yeah dont bother with pact till u beat hydra:p
somber epoch
you cant use pacts until you beat hydra, lol
indigo compass
sorry man i allready beat hydra 60 times before the chaos update:p
so i dident know
pastel jolt
oh god, i just noticed this and now it's going to bug me
zeus breaks the pattern every other god (minus chaos) establishes
somber epoch
wdym
pastel jolt
there's a naming pattern with the 'basic' attack/special/cast/dash boons
poseidon: tempest strike, tempest flourish, storm shot, tidal dash
artemis: deadly strike, deadly flourish, true shot, hunter's dash
attack & special have the same prefix, cast & dash each have a different one
but for zeus, it's lightning strike, thunder flourish, electric shot, thunder dash
proud storm
just say you dont like him and go,
pastel jolt
for zeus it's his special and dash that share a prefix while attack and cast are different
(admittedly athena also breaks the trend because her dash is called "titan toppler" and doesn't end in "dash" but whatevs i can deal with that)
i.... do like him tho?
proud storm
he gets a pass bc his boons are very good but that's the only thing saving him
night pasture
hi, quick Q about the keepsake ranks: by "encounters" do they mean "attempted runs"? because they only seem to go down by 1 for each full run
I only ask because that's a different use of the terminology "encounters" that's used for, say, the well items
pastel jolt
"encounter" specifically refers to rooms where combat takes place
"chamber" is just any room
still pewter
noted
pastel jolt
so far as i know, anyway
night pasture
that's odd, because I definitely did more than one encounter with the distant memory and it's rank hasn't gone up, and only decreased from "15" to "14"
still pewter
hmm that's indeed weird
i dunno what's up. if you're sure you're not confusing anything, be sure to report it as a bug
severe sinew
Changing around Lightning and Thunder with respectively Strike an Dash.
It also match better, since thunder is a hit (strike) and lightning is speed (dash)
somber epoch
i wonder what surges were
night pasture
I'm going to try another run right now, I'm putting this here for posterity: https://imgur.com/a/bjjwER0
still pewter
all keepsakes start at 25 by the way. you sure it was at 15?
night pasture
nearly positive
but I wouldn't put it past me being stupid
which is why I'm making a note to keep track, heh
livid kraken
My victory screen shows I've never finished run with heat. Does anyone has the bug?
have*
still pewter
hmmm maybe you won with a weapon you haven't previously won with heat?
livid kraken
I'll swap to spear and check but I can see there are 4 different categories for weapons
And all of them show 0 heat
still pewter
idk. I think it only compares with your highest heat for the specific weapon?
strange ravine
Hey is there someone who can explain me the bonus "Thick skin" of the mirror of the night ?
severe sinew
Raises total HP
fossil moat
Any pact of punishment tips in order to complete a run w/ 60 heat?
wary parrot
use bow
forest marsh
@livid kraken yeah, someone else reported having a bug with the Victory screen not showing Heat
livid kraken
Okay, thanks
I could uncover the heat statues so the game has to have it saved somewhere
hard holly
Use bow, and learn patterns
stable oyster
Thoughts on new new hunters dash?
fossil moat
Since it doesnt count as a crit, it can combo really well if you buy crit chance as well.
My experience anyway
On the bow it's brilliant since attacking after dashing (about a 1 second window) counts as a dash-attack
and it's just a regular buffed attack at that point
sullen tree
what are these pact unlockable
drifting hemlock
The pact itself or the things in the training room?
btw are we stupposed to do mini stuns with our regular dash?
forest marsh
Yes, that was introduced in the Major Update I believe
It's in the patch notes somewhere, anyway
drifting hemlock
ah okay
forest marsh
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688884011499520/534821821745332224 First line of this post 👍
drifting hemlock
You expect me to read?! That sounds harder than 150 heat runs! 😦 My kryptonite!
forest marsh
No, Lizzy, I expect you to die! <villian laugh>
drifting hemlock
If i die i just hope it'll be in the next patch notes that i died
forest marsh
You can be a shade in the House of Hades and have a little death note conversation thing
Cause of death: reading
drifting hemlock
Legends says he would have survived had it not been for the silver tounged Wightfyre making him read!
Is it just me or does enemies e.g. witches in asphodel have way bigger health bars than the ones in tartarus?
pastel jolt
yeah, they do
severe sinew
What would ppl think about, some kind of log, saving all conversations between Zag and NPC's?
And it could be some kind of memoir book in Zags room!
Any thoughts?
forest marsh
I would love there to be a conversation log
I think it's been in feedback before 
Or at least talked about
There's been so much feedback, it's hard to keep it all straight in my head
stray radish
'dear diary... Cerberus was a good boy today. also Meg told me to go away'
forest marsh
'Today Meg asked me to dance'
severe sinew
'Dusa seemed to like my gift... a little to much?'
forest marsh
@glossy fog Bugs should be reported in-game with the F10 button (default)
severe sinew
@forest marsh it seems like nobody has mentioned a conversation log, so I will try giving a feedback on that.
pastel jolt
there we go, the pact of punishment now has a page on the wiki: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Pact_of_Punishment
night pasture
I still haven't clonked the hydra with the shield, it just does such piddly base damage
anyone have any build tips?
indigo compass
ares curses are a good option imo
toxic vector
love that last bit about the rewards
worldly sage
i wish someone told me soonner
cause like I had the dream build going
zeus legendary with attack and artemis legendary with dash bonus
and i had charge shot
oof
stable oyster
For shield try Athena attack and just charge through everything
worldly sage
hey can i message in the feed back channel?
cause I think that Artemis's dash boon should be taken out of the progression toward the legendary boon becuase it no longer gives crit
meaning that hide breaker and clean kill lose all value if thats your only tier 1 boon from her
drifting hemlock
Read the stickied note on how to write in the feedback channel
night pasture
oh, I didn't even think about the athena synergy, thanks
night pasture
also this is probably just me being bitter but ever since they knocked off one ammo from cast it seems like a huge nerf
it makes cast unreliable enough that putting much into juicing it feels like a bad decision
drifting hemlock
Nah casts were overpowered before
as in way way overpowered
maybe the amount of casts shouldnt have taken the hit rather than the damage
worldly sage
It was probably a preparatory nerf for the chaos boons
since more often than not, you can get +1-+3 from chaos off one boon and i dont know if +4 if possible
if you have 2 seperate grasp boons
pastel jolt
i can check
toxic vector
tfw when you get an epic clean kill and have no crit boons
drifting hemlock
Yeah but damage wasnt touched and alongside the chaos damage boost the casts were waaaaaaaaay too strong
worldly sage
^ yeah i noticed that
drifting hemlock
Just the fact that you were able to get a casts that could oneshot everything in asphodel, in tartarus should tell everything about how insane the dmg was
luckily they nerfed it
worldly sage
I saw someone posted about the artemis dash boon already I just added another reaction to it
pastel jolt
hmmmm, the data suggests you should only be able to get 1 from a chaos boon but i think i'm reading that wrong
drifting hemlock
most likely 1 from a reg chaos boon, 2 from a rare and 3 from an epic
worldly sage
Yeah but
i meant im not sure if you can get 4 extra casts from having 2 chaos boons
drifting hemlock
They do upgrade so you should be able to
night pasture
I mean, I can understand the idea, casts still deal a huge chunk of damage
but the sticking/retrieval mechanics mean that I often find myself in situations where I'm out of ammo with no good way to retrieve any
whereas you always have access to your attack and special
drifting hemlock
Which are both significantly worse
You can kite until you get them back again or you can time them to kill the enemy and pick em back up
somber epoch
lizzy, regarding your thing in feedback, i've had a lot of things spawn at once
night pasture
the great dilemma of man, do you want a limited extremely powerful attack, or an unlimited yet much weaker attack?
drifting hemlock
So have I, and?
somber epoch
well, your feedback said the spawn rate was too slow / not enough at a time
drifting hemlock
Yes in skull and witch heavy rooms where only 3 are being spawned at once?
Same goes for mine pot rooms
So no my feedback wasnt that spawn rate overall was too slow
worldly sage
heya
I just found out you cant die from the chaos boon
so if you really want a no hit challenge
thats a way
drifting hemlock
Yep wont reduce you below 1
night pasture
jokes on you dad I love onions
drifting hemlock
Getting a 60 heat run with 7 DDs... losing all of them and having 2 health back on hydra and winning ...
Losing all of them prior to hydra that is
still pewter
big oof
night pasture
woof, 7 defy deaths? were you just super lucky with wells or is there another way to get them besides the mirror I don't know about?
drifting hemlock
wait only 6 i think, 1 from chaos and 2 from wells
drifting hemlock
but lost a lot of them due to my cast being blade rift and had them be 80% increased size with 5 bullets... first time experiencing lag
no i used ares boon first and then artemis
oh and the star of the run was athenas legendary boon i got in the room prior to hydra... I guess that makes it a wee bit less impressive 😄
pearl willow
are the chaos boons that grant life just HP restoration or do they actually add to your max HP?
drifting hemlock
Depends if its the one that restores hp or the one granting max hp 😉
pastel jolt
to be specific, it's the "Remedy" boons that restore health, and "Soul" ones that give extra health.
"Afterward, restore X ❤" vs. "Afterward, +X ❤"
drifting hemlock
13ish
turbid needle
ish?
leaden idol
I think it's 16, but I'm not completely sure on that. A shame I finally beat Meg the other day or I could just go see what my farthest room was.
drifting hemlock
since theres variation and not a static amount of rooms you can't give an accurate number
up to hydra theres 26, 27 or 28 rooms
Depending on the run
leaden idol
I could have sworn when you go stare out at Tartarus from your room, it gives you an "x out of y" count
But yeah, I have sometimes had a choice between boss room and not boss room, which would imply variation.
drifting hemlock
Nope it just gives you "Farthest chamber reached: x"
pastel jolt
it used to!
rugged horizon
2 chaos handicaps and 16 heat 😢
drifting hemlock
@willow kindle your feedback sounds like a bug, you should use the in-game report for that or take a pic or make a vid to show
willow kindle
inded. I've tried to do so. but hades.exe just goin black screen)
and erasing my progress onwards
drifting hemlock
shadowplay? paint?
willow kindle
nope.
just f10 push. shadowplay catches screens on prtsc
f10 works in the main menu tho. lol
I've just got a zeus/pos attack that just throwing witches in tha corners of the room like ping-pong balls.
Problem is that they never come back and just spamming a bullet hell at me.
(hashtag) nerf dem armored super witches.
gloomy scroll
so I'm havin a ton of trouble fighting hydra, anyone able to give me ideas for strategy?
hollow totem
naive acorn
I feel like the bow is wayyyyyy less op since the big nerf on artemis dash + the 3 shoot spread
drifting hemlock
Bow is ranged, it should be worse dmg wise by design
naive acorn
Meh, true
But it's still pretty decent
i might test an other weapon and search an other good build, i'm pretty bored of the bow atm
hard holly
Nah
Bow shouldnt be worse dmg by design, since it is also a weapon that struggles at clearing large groups of enemies, and isnt too safe
naive acorn
hmmm, I don't feel like it struggle to clear large groups of enemies
I mean, the shoot go through enemies
hard holly
They do, but enemies dont always line up how you want
naive acorn
And when you deal 200 dmg by arrow, it goes pretty quick
I mean, compared with the sword (I might not use it well), who deal 50damage
drifting hemlock
@gloomy scroll Choose your favorite cast god. After you've chosen Artemis, Aphrodite or Zeus you're good to go. Pray your knickers off you get an epic cast right off the bat, now every pom should go into your cast, go to chaos whenever you can and pick cast dmg if you can, Whenever you can pick artemis, do that, you want her crit and more ammo boons. If you picked zeus tho you might prefer getting his boons for the legendary if you should ever have to choose between zeus or art. For the actual hydra fight, say safe. When it shoots you stay behind pillars, if you have shield you just stand wherever and hold your attack to block everything. When small head spawn you focus on clearing left to right or right to left. Once a single head or two is down you got immense space to just play slowly and deal with the rest. Rinse repeat and the hydra is dead. If your casts are lodged in the big head prior to the small heads spawning, drag out the fight until you can pick em up and then activate the next phase WITHOUT using your cast again so you're fully loaded for the small bois.
It should be worse dmg by design given its range. Spear should be middle and sword should be strongest, shield is a grey area dmg wise but should also be low since it has innate pushback and block by default.
hard holly
Sword can do a ton of damage
drifting hemlock
@gloomy scroll oh and the small orbs shot from the green small heads can be destroyed. If the timer runs out it spawns a skeleton. If you got pushback (Shield or poseidon) you can just shove em into lava.
hard holly
But yeah, I dont think bow should be nerfed
Sword is best when you get worldsplitter
Or Flurry Blade
gloomy scroll
I see. thanks lots Lizzy, I'm on an interesting steady shot bow run right now, but I did have a feeling cast could get very powerful
pastel jolt
worldsplitter words well with ares attack because the interval is juuust enough that the ares curse always goes off between attacks
drifting hemlock
@gloomy scroll A strong attack build is also good, im just a cast main kinda guy, so by your choice right now if you can get a chaos boon with attack damage you should be able to do the same thing 😄
pastel jolt
spam clicking is okay until my entire forearm decides to seize up lmao
that's why i don't do spear builds that often,,
drifting hemlock
Wouldnt athenas attack be stronger?
naive acorn
Oh and, someone could tell me what is the last keepsakes on the second row ? I didn't see a new character, and I pretty much maxed everyone heart.
Maybe on #h1-story-discussion to not spoil someone here, or mp
gloomy scroll
yeah this bow is p strong, if I manage to be not stupid I may make it work
hard holly
But
drifting hemlock
@naive acorn Chaos
hard holly
Why would you go for ares attack with worldsplitter
Just getting Athena or Poseidon does more damage while having utility
pastel jolt
i didn't realise there was a rule against it?
hard holly
No I mean, logically
drifting hemlock
Spoilers are allowed in here btw
hard holly
At least with shield special, much as I disagree with it, I see a point
naive acorn
@drifting hemlock Oh I just saw a Locked chtonic gods, alright, didn't see him atm, weird
where is he ?
hard holly
But Ares is just lower damage than Athena
naive acorn
Oh okay, right, I didn't try that since im doing my run without hp recovery haha
will do then thanks
pastel jolt
yeah, chaos gives you a boon in the blood gates and gifting them works exactly like with the other gods and their boons
drifting hemlock
No problem!
pastel jolt
just throw ambrosia at them
hard holly
Though their keepsake is slightly different
drifting hemlock
Anyone having trouble with hydra should learn the shield. The hold-attack just negates all the shots from hydra.
gloomy scroll
yeah I always neglect shield hold and spam special lol
hard holly
Or Bow
The special clears the arrows
Shield hold is waaay better btw
And if you get sudden charge
Its hilariously fun
hard holly
You become the fast, destroyer of speed limits
naive acorn
Oh and, any wonder why they didn't put the marker of "invincibility" on the hydra, like on Megaera ?
gloomy scroll
is aphrodite cast split shot thing actually good??
naive acorn
meh not really, not much range, imo
gloomy scroll
cause it sounds.. idk
naive acorn
yeah maybe with cast damage maxed
gloomy scroll
k then not this run
pastel jolt
i've had aphrodite's cast once since the patch dropped and i really wanna make more use of it
gloomy scroll
yeah I had one that got to 200+ dmg yesterday with athena shot
drifting hemlock
Aphros cast is a beast
hard holly
Athenas shot is slow and misses a lot, but damn if it isnt great getting a huge reflect spree off of it
Kills your frames though
drifting hemlock
Since im a shieldy boy having deflect on the special is worth more
Cleans up nicely
pastel jolt
athena's cast makes a good good noise
gloomy scroll
so do I take 8% crit on all dmg or extra cast 🤔
I have zeus rare cast buff btw
just nabbed it
toxic vector
extra cast
drifting hemlock
is it the artemis one?
gloomy scroll
yeas
drifting hemlock
Then yes
gloomy scroll
oooo doing that (or there's another art boon for sale)
tempting but I want 5 casts
aaaaaaaaand I didn't get it in the 3 I could buff
gloomy scroll
oh well
drifting hemlock
sorry for the late answer 😄
gloomy scroll
no prob
vapid mauve
I had a pretty strong cast. https://i.imgur.com/VXveV2y.png
Was hitting for 455 each
gloomy scroll
golly gee
vapid mauve
no it was epic
toxic vector
oh damn
vapid mauve
all the stars aligned, only thing I could reasonably had was even higher level, though 7 is very good
toxic vector
it is but thats part of the fun
if i could screenshot this set of boons
thunder flourish heavens vengeance and storm lightning all epic
gloomy scroll
omg
vapid mauve
👌
vapid mauve
back in my day we got hit by purple projectiles uphill both ways
gloomy scroll
I may or may not have got an artemis cast upg to 150 dmg that I just pom'd
still in tartarus
drifting hemlock
prior to last patch you could have it start at 180 - rip in pieces!
gloomy scroll
wowowow
drifting hemlock
yep broken af
gloomy scroll
well it's up to 207 now so
drifting hemlock
pew pew
gloomy scroll
athena or aphro? deciding room to go to
drifting hemlock
Hmm what do you already have
drifting hemlock
Hmm what you want from either is damage migitation so either works, i guess you go athena just for the money chance
and deflect can be nice to have aswell
Aphro doesn't have much for you besides the damage migitation at this point
pastel jolt
it bothers me that athena is just like "here have money"
gloomy scroll
yeah I'm on shield so reflect could be nutty
drifting hemlock
deflect on special is nice
gloomy scroll
ok so do we do +102% special dmg+ reflect or +55% attack and reflect? cause would that make the hold reflect?
I think we go special
gloomy scroll
understandable
harsh ridge
Hello, do bonuses from Charon's Well stack?
gloomy scroll
I believe the timers just reset
harsh ridge
All righty thanks
graceful bough
pastel jolt
it happens sometimes now!
chaos likes you and would like you to come back more often because they get lonely.
lost rose
they wish their descendants would call every once in a while.
out of my trillions of progeny only you remember to come and visit, o son of hades. "you know maybe if you weren't relegated to the darkest corners of the underworld and it didn't hurt to visit you, more people would come by." you make a valid point. i choose to ignore it.
grand patrol
NFNFNFNCNV
pastel jolt
okay but zagreus visits anyway which, gameplay of insanely powerful boons aside, is rather sweet
grand patrol
worth it
plush blaze
When chaos is offering +67% attack damage, it's worth it to return their calls every now and again
grand patrol
I WANT TO SEE MY (OW) GIANT FRIEND (HERE THEY COME) I WANT TO SEE MY GIANT FRIEND
lost rose
honestly? caps-worthy
pastel jolt
@stuck breach you can already turn off the auto-targeting! unless you mean something else.
stuck breach
@pastel jolt i was under impression i cant specifically target what i want turn off on autotarget
let me check
lost rose
dat true shot 👌
stuck breach
yeah, i can disable it all in all, but i do want autoaim on regular attack, while i want free aiming on special @pastel jolt
gloomy scroll
oh yeah
sure did
I thought to myself I'm gonna buff trueshot and try like mad to save my hp
stuck breach
but guess ill have to transfer to keyboard for targeting stuff
its really tough to do heat runs on controller
gloomy scroll
right then now to grind out the room decor lol
drifting hemlock
play with the "start with gold" keepsake and it shouldnt be hard
pastel jolt
if you max out ranks on the coinpurse and also deep pockets then you start with 400 gold
(or, well, you could, if you happened to have gotten 300g in a previous run.)
stuck breach
you can also take poseidon keepsake and go for epic vast riches/oceans bounty
athena also offers a lot of gold if you get a lot of boons throughout the run and there arent many options left for picking
split pivot
Hey guys, is someone using the sword here? 😮
grand patrol
no, proxy catches the s word
OH MY GOD
IM SORRY
YEAH OK I LIKE THE SWORD WHATS UP
grand patrol
oh!! I like the special very much, i feel like its a matter of timing it and getting in rhythm
If you can set up a rhythm of attack-pushback-enemy gears up-attack, it can be supper fun!
split pivot
Yeah i see.. for that i'm using tha booow :3
with the superattack upgrades
if i find them :p
finite grail
Bow plus Poseidon boons are 👌
copper berry
https://imgur.com/L1oo257 gotta go fast
copper berry
Abused a glitch which paused the timer, but don't worry about that 
drifting hemlock
quite obvious lel
finite grail
(you don’t have to tell but u should probably report it for the future 👌)
drifting hemlock
Well it should be reported either way
pastel jolt
don't think it'll count for the leaderboard though ;P
drifting hemlock
but how would you know?
pastel jolt
i'm still trying to work out what you mean by that
river basin
i'm not sure if ive missed it or not, but favor/relationship progress has no bearing still, other than first offering giving keepsakes since last hearts are locked?
lost rose
No gameplay bearing, no, but you get more conversations with characters and between them, too
if you like, don't care about that then you don't have to keep giving ambrosia
river basin
i figured as such, i just wanted to make sure since thats actuallyone of the most abigious things; just a lock on a heart lol
thanks 👍
toxic vector
hey is burst shot any good?
drifting hemlock
depending on your dmg and the other choices: yes
pastel jolt
jeez, i really have gotten so much better at this game
the first time i played it, i died in the first room
i just started a new save and my second run is at meg
dreamy jackal
Anyone knows what are the threshold of the Pact of Punishment?
tired pivot
Hmm, new update is interesting. Chaos is cool, I'm liking the rewards he gives. Love the new art. So far my only concern is that keepsakes seem to take too long to scale. If it's 100 encounters to max them then it's 1000+ to max them all which will take a fair number of runs. Feels like it doesn't promote diversity since I'm going to use the same keepsake multiple times in a run just to get it stronger.
If it's to promote diversity by having people use different keepsakes, maybe have keepsakes power down after runs so people will change them up.
drifting hemlock
@dreamy jackal what do you mean by threshhold
@tired pivot you'd be wrong
3 runs and you got a maxed item
takes 30-60 minutes
Also you can diversify all you want so you work on all of them instead of one at a time, takes same amount of encounters to upgrade them
plush shell
Is there any reason to choose a room marked with the little elite skull? They don't seem to offer any greater rewards.
lost rose
they do offer greater rewards, i believe...the boons aren't stronger but if it's a darkness room, you get more darkness
pearl willow
good lord only the second heat unlock is 60, i will never get the third lol.
tired pivot
@drifting hemlock Isn't each run 27 chambers to reach Hydra currently so maximum of 27 encounters minus non-encounter rooms? That means it will take at least four runs to max each keepsake, and there are over ten keepsakes so that's 40+ runs. I admit that I overestimated how many runs it'll take to max them all since you're probably going to take 50 runs to max out all darkness and pact anyways. I just don't think it's a very meaningful change however.
Edit: There are about 18 keepsakes and you'll probably take 4-5 runs if you're beating the run each time so around 80-90 runs.
@dreamy jackal @pearl willow I think I saw on reddit that the thresholds are 30/60/90
forest marsh
It's 15/60/120
pearl willow
first is 15 at least, just did it earlier. but i was screwing around with 55 earlier and didn't come particularly close at any point lol. 120 just sounds awful.
tired pivot
Oh.
I'm correct that there are 27 chambers to Hydra including non-encounter chambers?
Non-encounter like spring, shop, and Sisyphus?
forest marsh
Yes, I'm reasonably certain that the 27 includes non-combat chambers
tired pivot
Okay, so 4-5 runs to max a keepsake if you're beating Hydra each time. 80-90 to max them all.
forest marsh
@narrow girder RE: your feedback about the robed portraits, this is just placeholder art. See #hades-faq post here
Are the robed character portraits final?
No. These are an example of work-in-progress content we’ll update during Early Access.
narrow girder
ah, did not know that, cool :)
lost rose
I'm gonna clear out the feedback!
hoary jewel
sigh And another of the mirror skills I used most is gone. Ugh. I guess I was the only person whose playstyle worked best with the Dash damage and Avenging Gain. I can't even get past Meg now 😦
forest marsh
At least they made 
dash into the new equivalent of Quick Temper, so you can always try for that to help you out
In some respects it's actually better than Quick Temper, since the damage cap is much higher
hoary jewel
Except I wasn't running with Artemis' boon, which is the only way you can boost your chances at having her show up.
I counted on the Dash damage plus Avenging Gain to let me move quickly around the battlefield, smashing into enemies for the extra damage and then hitting back right away to regain health when I got hit. All of that is now gone
worn fulcrum
Dash damage and Avenging Gain were both very good, and I think good to the extent that they massively skewed the game (which is, I assumed, why they were removed, not because they weren't good)
tired pivot
Mhm. They should refund keys though when they remove mirror traits.
forest marsh
You can always give a 👍 in feedback for that
forest marsh
Yup
lost rose
I prefer to, though I've found that kbm has its upsides too!
movement is not one of them ^^;
tired pivot
Yeah.
I switched to controller because I wanted the full range movement. But then I realized that then attacks could only occur in the facing direction.
I thought I could use one joystick for movement and one for attack directin.
Kind of disappointing so I'm not sure which I want.
I switched back to kbm because I found that there were some weird things going on with controller where attacks weren't in the direction I intended.
forest marsh
That's odd
tired pivot
I have pretty bad hand coordination so maybe I just was moving the joystick in the wrong direction.
Still, I wonder if it's possible for them to make it possible to bind a second joystick for directional attacks.
forest marsh
It would be interesting if Hades allowed for twinstick controls... Could bind your four actions to the triggers... Might be worth a feedback entry ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tired pivot
Yeah, that's what I was planning when I started.
Since it's only single joystick though I'm using x/y for special/attack and main triggers for cast and dash.
Switch pro controller.
tired pivot
Ah.
Maybe I'll post a feedback. Not sure how people feel about having attacks being facing-limited on controller.
forest marsh
I mean, it would be an optional control scheme, right? I think it's a good option to have and it puts it more on parity with the advantage of KBM movement/aim ability
I can't say whether I'd use it myself (I'd probably at least try it), but that doesn't mean it isn't worth considering. I say go for it
tired pivot
Thanks.
true dock
Even though I think shield still feels whack to play most of the time, the dash double attack dash double attack dash double attack loop is really fun. Especially if you throw in Blade Rift on dash as a boon. I can't wait for another weapon to try out.
worldly sage
Chaos boon is a real gamble omg
I took a 2 health penalty for dashing and i forgot just how much i dashed before i took ti
big regret
forest marsh
I found with shield attack you can do a tap - pause - double tap release to do two attacks followed by a short bull rush and it feels real good. Might not be explaining it well, but it feels faster than two normal attacks
tired pivot
I haven't taken any of the health penalty Chaos boons yet. I've been able to get away with other penalities for increased rare chances.
What did they recently change about cast?
midnight temple
There is currently a bug with artemis's boon Hunters dash (gives your dash attack more dmg), when you leave the room you picked it up the dmg gets set to 100%https://imgur.com/DtZAYUD
https://imgur.com/7J9cYuR
https://imgur.com/aYAazlD
Upfrading it afterwards with pom of power is permanent
errant narwhal
report it in game with F10 please!
willow kindle
I wish my f10 worked properly last time huh
it has completely random chance of working or not 😄
still pewter
I've used it dozens of times and it has worked consistently for me
what's the issue you're having? how is it not working properly?
harsh ridge
Does the Hydra always spawn skeletons? I completed a run admittedly quite easier than the others because the Hydra wouldn't spawn skeletons (sorry forgot the name).
lost rose
The skeletons are spawned by some of the heads; if you destroy the "eggs" before their timer counts down, you can stop them from spawning
So technically yes but you can prevent it
harsh ridge
My goodness so those things with timers were eggs?
frosty pier
yup
harsh ridge
So much is happening in the screen in that chamber that I just assumed they were like bombs or some other
severe sinew
Heads with green-ish glow spits up skeleton "eggs"
harsh ridge
All righty, thanks a lot!
gloomy scroll
I also just noticed that the two urns in the upper corners spawn heals soo
severe sinew
skeleton eggs 🤔
lost rose
yeah, i don't. really understand it either
gloomy scroll
maybe they're like... dead people that were caught by the hydra and are forced to fight you or smth
got eaten
idk
severe sinew
So Bloodless are confirmed not mammals
gloomy scroll
lol
stable oyster
Well, hair is a requirement as well
harsh ridge
Oh so those are where the heals come from! I thought they came from skellies I killed while I had Eye of Lamia on, but now it makes sense that those were the spots where the heals popped up lmao
severe sinew
writes down notes
gloomy scroll
same here impish, I just noticed the green eyes in the urns on start cutscene and thought it might be and sure enough
harsh ridge
Yeah these be fine things to note. I wouldn't have known if I hadn't been here.
gloomy scroll
same for me with lots of stuff
harsh ridge
Thanks a lot! My future runs should be a tad easier haha
severe sinew
Im also writing down base attack for each weapon so far.
Im interested in what choice of weapon are ppl's favorite?
gloomy scroll
I'm really not sure since I've had so much fun with them all, but sword always seems a lil' bit.. underwhelming. is that just me?
harsh ridge
Sword is my fave lol but only given certain boons
But if just the weapon itself, I'd say the spear
pastel jolt
i like the bow best
severe sinew
But do you consistently choose Sword?
gloomy scroll
I haven't exactly had the longest time to mess with all of them, but bow and shield are really fun for me
pastel jolt
bow, spear, sword, shield, that's about the order i'd go in
severe sinew
Me too @pastel jolt
pastel jolt
also - does anyone else find it hard to tell between the two pink types of hydra head?
harsh ridge
I don't, really. I choose whichever has the Thirst buff haha
pastel jolt
there's a pink head that will spit up lava, and a pink head that will stompy stomp when you get close, but they're almost the same colour,,
still pewter
I find sword the most fun
gloomy scroll
heck I barely noticed there were two until a few fights in
pastel jolt
and i'm not even colourblind or anything
frosty pier
Ehm
still pewter
the stompies are like green+pink
frosty pier
Puprle head soes lava
pastel jolt
this is where i find out Actually I Am Colourblind, probably
frosty pier
and red ones stomp
pastel jolt
they're both pink? i don't have, like, a screenshot. but they definitely both look pink.
pastel jolt
one is slightly more purple than the other
still pewter
they are green with pink details. if that makes sense, and if memory serves me right
severe sinew
Okay yeah thats pink on the left and red on the right
Just look at the HUGE eyebrows
pastel jolt
they're not, like, identical or anything but it's still real close
(sorry for quality of screenshot, i went back to my video of my first hydra kill)
(hence why it's the old arena)
frosty pier
< they are not that close ><
lost rose
I hadn't even noticed there were different colors
i'm usually too focused on Not Dying
still pewter
WTF YALL
frosty pier
Wow guys
pastel jolt
they're not that close when you're just sat looking at them in a discord channel
still pewter
fair
grand patrol
apparently the test for being a mod is "are you colorblind"
frosty pier
They are not close in game either
pastel jolt
when you're actually fighting them it's difficult to make the distinction because, like ven said, you're focused on Not Dying
lost rose
I am definitely not colorblind, I just wipe out whatever's closest to me and don't strategize
pastel jolt
well then i bow to your superior colour vision, ma'sair
lost rose
I'm glad it's not a problem for you but a more evident difference, like in the head shapes, would be a lot easier to notice in the thick of the fighting...
grand patrol
mmhm!!
pastel jolt
even just changing the more purple-y one to actual purple would help because then i'm not trying to remember what shade of pinky-purple is which in the middle of the fight
anyway i'm going to type it up as feedback and y'all are free to agree or disagree or whatever
still pewter
yeah, even if one can tell them appart easily
frosty pier
It's not that great, but some people need just to calm down during the fight, like panic/adrenaline/something just messes with people so much they cant tell colors
still pewter
readability is always good
I wonder if the colours were picked with colorblindness in mind
I'm not very informed, but I know there's red-green colorblindness
lost rose
People mentioned not being able to see the difference between the yellow/blue money urns in tartarus rooms and normal urns
pastel jolt
there's red-green and blue-yellow colourblindness, and diffeent variations of both
still pewter
I see
lost rose
The hydra needs to calm down during the hydra fight 😂 i just wanna leave! it's not like i have a...bone to pick with it, or anything
grand patrol
YEAH
still pewter
forget the house of chaos, this is now the house of puns
lost rose
i'm sure chaos would appreciate a good pun.
still pewter
I imagine chaos already knows all the puns
lost rose
oh lord probably
still pewter
a horrifying existence indeed
do you have a better time telling summoner (green) heads and stompies appart?
lost rose
I really honestly had not stopped to try to tell them apart...I've only had like 4 hydra wins so i'm still very much in the screaming and button-mashing mode
i do think i registered the green ones more readily than the purple and reddish ones though
the green stands out against the asphodel lava
still pewter
that makes sense
pastel jolt
yeah, the green ones are real easy to distinguish
because they're an entirely different colour
still pewter
maybe I didn't distinguish them at first either. I don't really remember
pastel jolt
also lmao i'm rewatching this video trying to screencap it and wow i was. definitely panicking when i did this fight. i'm dashing right past like a billion bloodless eggs
opal ravine
put me in the:"those are EGGS?!" department
lost rose
chaos: may i offer you a nice egg in this trying time?
the hydra: may i offer you, the worst eggs possible,
grand patrol
gjhgvhjgvhjfjfj
severe sinew
Egg vs. Onion
lost rose
i bet an egg would heal more than an onion 🤔 theoretically speaking.
worn dawn
I mean, onions are unlikely to have salmonella
still pewter
can salmonella even survive in the underworld?
severe sinew
It's like a stamp of entry!
death by salmonella
still pewter
this is a rough debate
grand patrol
scrambled galaxies
grand patrol
chaos: would u like ommelete? :3
severe sinew
That is TOO MUCH power for any to hold!
opal ravine
I mean its got Zag in it
so pretty hot
still pewter
ashphodel is pretty hot
pastel jolt
it has zag and achilles in it
grand patrol
and meg
still pewter
no skelly emotes smh
worn dawn
💀
still pewter
randus. how is your discord # #0001
worn dawn
Nitro lets you choose your tag
grand patrol
either nitro or the best timing
still pewter
til
still pewter
that makes no sense!
I mean
why would he be a skeleton
while achilles remain fleshy
severe sinew
Probably keep it in spoilers
opal ravine
dudes like "these statues are way beyond my pay grade"
still pewter
not very spoilery, it's just wild specualtion
severe sinew
yeah I know but still...
grand patrol
skelltroclus had better not be a spoiler
analog crystal
Hammer bow power shot says that on power shots do 200% damage
That should be 80 right?
still pewter
barring any other dmg boosts yeah..?
still pewter
huh
probably a bug
or a wrong tooltip
they supposedly buffed it
what was the bonus pre-patch?
severe sinew
Power shot basic dmg is always 40, if you hit the glow
Otherwise its not.
But report it with F10 in-game, then they can look through your save files to check
severe sinew
It would be great to test out different boons capabilities, especially in training with Skelly!
But its more for the dev team to look into
analog crystal
True, especially some hammer boons and to get a feel of how far is far enemies and close
What an insane start to a run btw
pastel jolt
when i was doing my let's-kill-meg-asap run yesterday (technically this morning bc it was 3am lmao) , on my second run of that save i got an epic cast boon from zeus so my cast was suddenly doing like 130 damage a pop
it was amazing
still pewter
I'm just unlucky, I'd like to see some legendary
severe sinew
Isn't there a problem with the Hunters Dash, or has it been sorted out?
analog crystal
Yep there is
As I just went into the next room
It went down to 100%
Feelscheatedman
still pewter
rip
analog crystal
Interestingly, it lost it's epic rarity
worn dawn
Weird
analog crystal
I also nearly lost my run to a swarm of armoured skulls cus they don't care the sheer amount of damage you do 😅
severe sinew
@pastel jolt
Would it be possible to have a channel where we could put up abilities there are not yet sorted out or broken?
still pewter
what do you mean?
severe sinew
Hunters Dash seems to come up all the time
analog crystal
I think it's the only boon atm that's broken like that
still pewter
aren't those just bugs that get reported to the developers through F10?
severe sinew
Like a sheet with boons or abilities broken?
Or maybe its too much for such little?
pastel jolt
just report it as a bug, that'll be fine
analog crystal
I think having a channel with known issues would be nice so that the devs get spammed with less of the same bug report maybe
severe sinew
Okay we will report it as a bug
Maybe if people keeps reporting it with F10, it would maybe be solved faster
Idk
I just think it better they focus on the Major Update instead
analog crystal
I just realised that using the pact buffs Nyx's keepsake by a lot
still pewter
as long as you're not running -heal
opal ravine
so should I just keep gving people Ambrosia
analog crystal
Yep, I've not invested into no heal yet cus I'm still going for an 80 win (+500% damage and little darkness)
opal ravine
yeah I got all the keepsakes, I gave a couple more to people but just got a simple thank you
severe sinew
They will eventually soften up to you and tell more about their backgrounds and problems
opal ravine
cool, thanks
severe sinew
np
severe sinew
It seems like if you try and block the Inferno-bombs with the shield, you automatically charge in that direction?
Pretty bad considered you to block one in Asphodel and suddenly charge into lava.
Should I just report it with F10 or is it more feedback in here?
It probably will, since some stacks on top, when you acquire new boons @analog crystal
umbral needle
damn, if there is one thing I dislike about the new update is those rocky enemies, especially if they are the main enemy in the level and if they have armor. I don't see how you can deal with them if you only have one dash.
analog crystal
@severe sinew u rite, it does
severe sinew
Had the same problem with a Tempest strike, then Pulverizing Blow and then on top with Tempest Strike Lv. 2.
Pulverizing Blow, removes knock back, but Tempest Strike Lv. 2 gives it back, just not as effective, but still...
You can really break a build, if you get lucky and knows it stacks on top
pastel jolt
gotta love when you specifically try and tailor your choice in a trial of the gods to get the boon you want and it doesn't happen
gdi artemis i was pressure points don't offer me a beautiful selection of cast boons at common rarity
severe sinew
Buff the Rare and Epic % 💪
pastel jolt
i'm at max rare and something like 10% epic and was also carrying her keepsake
serene sand
So what exactly is the shield special build (if there is one)? I recall seeing people using it with ares special. It's my highest success rate weapon but I always build for bull rush. Usually with athena/posiedon. Trying out the special now and it feels pretty weak
frosty pier
Special on shield is not what it used to be
hard holly
The only nerf it ever got was 5 damage
frosty pier
And it's not very reliable
hard holly
It was bad even with that extra 5 damage
Anyway, the shield special build is weak
The way people play it is pick Ares special upgrade
And spam it while running away
Its boring, extremely slow and pretty ineffective
serene sand
Ok thank you. Yea I remember seeing alot of chatter on it and wanted to change things up with the shield. I've been doing 30-40 heat runs with athena charge builds pretty efficiently
Got to meg with the special build and just let her kill me because it was going so slowly
hard holly
Yeah, charge is better and way more fun
Especially if you get the eurobeat hammer upgrade
frosty pier
That's a lot of heat
frosty pier
sudden rush most likely
hard holly
Aye
still pewter
running in the 90s
serene sand
right, theres the insta-charge and 300% damage charge
hard holly
Because at that point you go max speed
I dont like the 300% damage charge
Its too slow
And its DPS is overall lower
You have to release it early for it to be worth it, but the timing is finnicky
serene sand
whats the highest people have completed? anyone with the second statue yet? Im sure there is but thats nuts
hard holly
It means 300% of the charge damage
So, 300 instead of 100
150 is the highest
Someone won with maxed heat
Ive only gotten 60 heat so far
serene sand
good lord
frosty pier
If reward for 60 heat is another statue of Him, I'm throwing the towel. It's not worth it to look at these bizzare things everytime you mess around in that yard
hard holly
Well .....
frosty pier
It is
still pewter
people have done 150 heat
serene sand
yes they are
still pewter
tazak has posted his max heat run on #self-promotion
serene sand
so meta for bow (if there is one)...hunters dash im guessing? with perfect show/triple shot? is there enough time for dash proc to charge a decent perfect shot?
@still pewter ah thanks, will check it out.
hard holly
There is enough time, yes
So hunters dash, triple, perfect or sniper shot
And do the regular bow things
pastel jolt
not that hunter's dash is working very well at the moment
hard holly
Also, highly recommend staying away from Ares at all times, even at high heat
still pewter
how so
serene sand
I checked the percentage when changing rooms and mine didnt downgrade to 100%
or is the tooltip saying what you have (i.e 130%), but your numbers reflect 100%?
hard holly
Even if we were to say that his attack upgrade was decent
Which I would already disagree with
Too many of his choices are bad
You dont want his cast, you dont want his dash
And at high heat you dont get to choose
So you could easily end up stuck with those
still pewter
I don't dissagree, and I don't really have an opinion to voice on high heat. I'm merely echoing Tazak's strategy
hard holly
Oh, he goes for Ares?
still pewter
I asked about the keepsake meta
and I think he said ares/zeus
I could be mistaken tho
so take it with a grain of salt
might be missremembering
severe sinew
Think Cerberus or Skelly keepsakes are pretty meta but idk
still pewter
they are what you pick post meg I think rosing
they are 1 exta hit you can take on +500% dmg
serene sand
so is athena attack best with shield? or something else I should look out for?
still pewter
poseidon is super fun
huge knockback
yeet fools all the way across the room
zeus and probably ares are bad
rest should be of equal value
ares might be good idk
still pewter
hey wanna speculate any potential boons/keywords of upcoming gods?
serene sand
yea i typically go athena though Poseidon does seem fun with shield. will have to try it more
and for spear? I typically run Aphto attack if im going for a spin build. Ill use zeus if im after the range/damage thrust (cant remember the name)
Aphro *
analog crystal
Considering the new artemis dash, you can still get crits as extra damage I reckon spin spear artemis dash and attack would be insane
still pewter
zeus is definitely the way to go if you're focusing on your thrust attack
analog crystal
It'd be (100+100)*3 (on crits)
hard holly
I dont think the spin works with hunters dash
severe sinew
@still pewter Hephaestus, maybe something with fire
pastel jolt
dionysus is the god of wine and madness so i presume his attacks would disorient enemies
still pewter
uno dionysus is a bit unlikely
severe sinew
Hermes, dash speed galor, could give some benefits for bow
still pewter
some texts state that zagreus after his death was reincarnated as dionysus
analog crystal
If hermes had a boon like artemis's that gave +1 dash at common that'd be cool
But insane
hard holly
Oh wait
still pewter
I should better say, in some version of the myth
hard holly
Are we in the point in time where Hestia is still in the Pantheon?
If that is true, she will be the fire goddess I imagine
drifting hemlock
Another dash would be insane, but he could have movement speed, dash recovery and enemies are stunned for longer when you dash, something like that would be better i guess
still pewter
hestia is considered part of the dodecatheon so yeah
idk if fire suits her more than haephestus though. It's technically correct but idk
analog crystal
The issue is that in the 12 olympians it's usually hestia or dionysus isn't it
still pewter
hestia is more wholesome than destructive
dionysus does is considered a lesser god according to popular versions myth
severe sinew
So far I feel the only dash benefits you get from Gods which are good, is Zeus and Poseidon
One for attack and one for evading
As discussed Hunters Dash is broken right now
analog crystal
I saw something that hestia gave her place to dionysus ooh
@severe sinew I mean it's still good
+100% damage after dashing is the same as 1 guaranteed old crit
pastel jolt
nah, there's no basis for the idea of hestia giving up her place to dionysus
still pewter
yeah. without the op implications of old
no synergy with spear spin
hestia could be related to healing effects if we're thinking a bit outside the box
and dimitra with nature
severe sinew
@analog crystal I stay away from it, but yeah I guess its still a buff
analog crystal
Idk if they'd add a healing god, just because of the pact that stops healing
And getting a boon that does nothing is feelsbad
still pewter
you make a point
severe sinew
Healing God would break the game
still pewter
but I don't think the pact will or should limit design space
severe sinew
Unless there were conditions for getting healed
analog crystal
They could make an exception
hard holly
Yeah that part is not actually in ancient texts
still pewter
probably rosing. it will be really hard to implement. tbh I don't think they will
just an idea though
hard holly
Buuut it is fact that Dionysus and Hestia were considered part of the pantheon in various points of space/time
analog crystal
Lifedrinker as hestia's legendary 👀
severe sinew
And if there was specific conditions, it would mean people would not go for it, thus making it wasteful
serene sand
Ok guys, 1 more question on the weapons. The sword. What is the best way to use this thing? I've tried Worldsplitter and something about its attack cadence feels off to me. The flurry strikes with zeus has done ok for me, but other than that, Im lost
still pewter
hestia doesnt have much going on for her tbh
analog crystal
Athena on special I like
still pewter
maybe she'll be more related to the progression of the story compared to boons
hard holly
Worldsplitter is the best
still pewter
since she's realated with familial bonds
analog crystal
If you're good with timings athena on attack is insane too as it can proc it quite fast
severe sinew
If you can combo the sword with Ares attack and it Special with Poseidon, I think it would be decent
still pewter
oh crap. I'll continue this in spoilers
severe sinew
I think we will see more of the Titans hanging around, you know, being banished and all that
analog crystal
Considering how much they're brought up it'd be nice to have them in the game at somepoint
Maybe as challenge modifiers
still pewter
the titan stars are back
analog crystal
Yessssss
severe sinew
Titans are not all only banished to Tartarus tho
analog crystal
I thought they were
still pewter
who's to say they can't retcon something in tartarus
drifting hemlock
2 of them have mean boys, 1 have boys who wasted their lives on love, doesnt sound too evil and then you got elysium which is for the do-gooders
first two we got
severe sinew
Maybe it's not only hell he has to escape, maybe you continue to climb the ladder 👀
drifting hemlock
last two doesnt sound like a place you'd find any beings that would go against you
analog crystal
A lot of people asked about fighting olympians in #ask-supergiant and they replied with wait and see basically
so
Hopefully lmao
still pewter
again, I don't think that'll be the case
drifting hemlock
Not sure how that would fit considering they are helping us there
still pewter
I think that once we finish the game once, we will continue to have a narrative reason to keep playing
and yeah, since they give us boons, I think we'll keep their favour
drifting hemlock
Theres also the Isles of the Blessed, people dying and reincarnating thrice into Elysium goes there, maybe at one point 3 consecutive successful runs would let you enter there
still pewter
never heard of that
severe sinew
I seems like if you choose one over the other Gods in Gods Trial, they gets displeased, maybe that is something that would be implemented, making the run hard by the displeased Gods
analog crystal
as it does nothing it does seem a bit weird it states that the god is displeased
drifting hemlock
well it does give boons to the enemy
hard holly
You wouldnt find anything that goes against you in the asphodel meadows either
severe sinew
Maybe it will make you able to fight said displeased Gods, once you reach the surface.
And regarding your choice of boons you can change up the boss battles in multiple ways
analog crystal
You aren't guaranteed to displease gods in a run and also they are pleased again after you survive
severe sinew
But there is something about the hole relationship with the Gods, what if giving Ambrosia to a certain God, decreases the relation between another
Idk there is alot to work around
Or maybe fighting the God you received boons from?
It could be a test of your strength against said God!
still pewter
who knows. it's hard to tell