Could have the same scaling as traps
#h1-builds-and-combat
pastel jolt
is there anything more amusing than charging the spear and just spinning in circles
hard holly
Yes
pastel jolt
wheeeeeeeeeeeeee
hard holly
Spear return killing 5 enemies in a row
pastel jolt
spear special killing things? sounds fake but okay
scarlet dagger
mmm, soul kebab
stable oyster
Sitting in Shield charge with lvl 5 revenge perk
worn dawn
What is this “spear special”
stuck breach
wait, some people actually use spear special for runs?
i legit have 100+ runs and never have played spear with upgrades for special
i mean, if you wanna throw stuff around, just take bow
and there's always cast
shield at least have bounce mechanic with no range
stuck breach
stray token
I don't know if someone did this allready, but I finish all the room from start to hydra with dash only
wanted to share this with you ^^
hard holly
I think its been done before, nevertheless, well done
stray token
Thanks
worn dawn
Just made it to hydra with level 9 zeus cast and literally no other boons
Thanks Zeus keepsake
Really putting in value there >.>
stray token
Nice, I did it with Athena close range + Artemis legendary + Daedalus boon, you hit so fast Artemis Legendary became Ope ^^
the boon wich makes you attack faster but prevent thrust
Btw i often switch to Meg trinket for Asphodel
Zeus trinket is nice but when i get the dash i don't need it anymore ^^
worn dawn
I like Charon trinket in asphodel
I wanted zeus attack
But nooo
Just nothing but poms in every room
stray token
poms in every room? lucky guy, i got keys/darkness/ambrosia
worn dawn
“Lucky”
stray token
I got 200+ key, ~100 ambrosia, 3000+ darkness
so I don't really like rooms containing these ^^'
i often have to fight Meg withh only 1 boon, and hydra with 4 cause i found only useless rooms ^^'
Charon trinket boost his objects?
stable oyster
I want no boon challenge to be a thing
stray token
you are using Bow?
stable oyster
No shield mostly
stray token
oh
i was pretty sure only bow users would want this mode, cause they allready hit prettu hard at start
tulip timber
I did find out this weekend you can get > 3 gods. Got 3 during tartarus, equipped new God relic for asphodel. Was offered new God boon. Ended up with boons from 4 gods (was never offered a 5th).
stable oyster
If bow users want a challenge they would swap off of bow
stray radish
ayyy
stray token
you're right ^^
someone I know killed Hydra 30 time in a row using bow ^^
bow + artemis dash, insane ^^'
tulip timber
I think I had just the right amount of time with the current content, and I'm glad the new content is coming out before I'm tired of the game.
Of course I'll start fresh on full release, but the early access can get kind of bleh once you fully explore the available features.
stray token
I fear i'll unlock everything as soon as the new content is released cause i got so much darkness/key/ambrosia
I'll try to start it again once it's release too ^^
tulip timber
Gonna be giving away Ambrosia like I forgot to cancel my monthly Ambrosia subscription.
errant narwhal
lol that run is awesome sylann
stable oyster
We should call fury attack + deflect the “Wii tennis build”
tulip timber
Motion controls plz.
stray token
@errant narwhal Thanks a lot, please don't nerf this, my aim is pretty abd Dash build is allmost the only possible run for me ^^
errant narwhal
i cant change anything in the game, i just moderate the discord haha
stable oyster
Don’t dash their hopes
uneven shuttle
oh no
pastel jolt
🔪
barren oyster
Hunter Dash is my personal favorite.
uneven shuttle
Yeah, for a weapon-based build, Artemis is really good
stray token
Hunter dash is better if you have aim ^^
errant narwhal
hunter dash potentially needs a nerf but i hope it doesnt get it because im useless without it
stable oyster
Basically 2x hp
stray token
And Ares dash can be fun to, I had an Epic Ares dash doing 27 damages per blade, it was insane
but you need to go pretty close to ennemies, i don't like that ^^
stable oyster
I think the time window should be caped at 2 sec
hard holly
Hunters dash is the best
But I dont think it inherently should be nerfed
Instead, builds that dont rely on crit should be buffed
stray token
I think Dash & Cast should get perks in daedalus hammer, cause it only boost special and attack
barren oyster
Granted, I am only 35 runs in and have yet to kill the damn Hydra, (so, so close) but I cannot seem to function without the Hunter Dash.
stray token
I play sword cause it double the dash damage effect, but that's the only weapon boosting cast or dash
@vale cobalt finish the mirror and it will be easier ^^
barren oyster
That's my current goal right now @stray token ! 😃
stray token
It would be fun to encounter a sphinx who said he was killed by a parricide and decide to ask very hard riddles, get boons if you guess right, take one of your life if you answer wrong ^^
tulip timber
@stray token Bow has base built-in weapon-boosting dash, in that your charge is shorter after dash.
tulip timber
As long as they don't mess with the mechanics, which feel really good, I don't mind if the numbers get tweaked.
rapid jasper
Anyone know the exact time of the update?
stray radish
nothing confirmed but likely around this time tomorrow
tulip timber
Was hoping for more details today, per the announcement on the #announcements channel. 😃 But maybe nothing until launch.
forest marsh
Nothing until launch is the impression that I got from Greg
I mean, come on, the didn't even tease the release into EA, just dropped it like a bomb
pastel jolt
i mean, it's not the 15th yet, so nothing
tulip timber
It's true. Chasing the "updates" dragon wastes resources and doesn't really give much benefit. Though I think there's a healthier balance between "nothing until it's released" and "let's preview everything forever and hype all the time."
Better to err on the side of less and use those resources for game though.
stray radish
i mean, we got a teaser image
errant narwhal
i mean, on twitter they did imply people signed up to the newsletter will get the details a bit early
stray radish
and their mark in the feedback channel
tulip timber
Ah, I'm not tapped into all the media channels.
errant narwhal
so go sign up to the newsletter if you arent yet! 
tulip timber
Not a twitterrer.
TY for that. 😃 Done now.
Twitter is a hive of scum and villainy.
candid spire
twitter is the highlight of humanity and all that is good
long herald
awwwwwwwwwwww yeah new patch tomorrow cant wait
woeful stirrup
Dang, just got to a room with a blood gate, Charon's Well AND a chest 😮
woeful stirrup
And lost against the Hydra. Man, I lost all my Death Defiances on the boat, because I got Deadly Strike, then epic True Shot, then didn't see a single boon until Asphodel, where I got another Artemis boon that was not Quick Reload. Having a powerful cast is good, but not being able to use it because Slam Dancers have such high armour was butts. I got to the Hydra fight with no Death Defiance left and 30 HP. Got over 250 darkness, 2 keys and 3 ambrosia bottles. Thanks, Hades 
stuck breach
oh, i just got money+key+ambrosia from the green chest
umbral fiber
sweet
stuck breach
so you can get 3 or even more items from it
umbral fiber
so pre-patch poll: what's the current feels regarding weapon balance? i feel aegis is still the noob-friendliest just because of all the additional defence. spear and bow both seem to depend a lot on player skill but are similarly strong, sword still lags even with the buff because you can't interrupt the strikes with a dash
woeful stirrup
All weapons are nice, but sword really needs some kind of range. Its special is too slow to recover from to be used as ranged, which makes it a nightmare against some enemies.
umbral fiber
feels particularly underpowered considering that the spear charge is basically the sword special but without recover :/
woeful stirrup
When you get a brimstone or a witch in the middle of the lava, that it just won't budge and that you can't reach it with your sword without getting screwed, it's so annoying.
umbral fiber
true
woeful stirrup
Usually brimstones will come into range because their range is too low. But witches, those won't ever come back.
stuck breach
well, bow absolutely strongest, could use some daedalus nerfs, otherwise fine
shield underwhelming concerning daedalus buffs, otherwise fine, lowest damage of all weapons
spear have weird special that i dont use at all, good daedalus options, overall good balance
sword has underhelming basic attacks, special is very good, very good daedalus options as well
dusky drum
spear special is wierd?
woeful stirrup
Spear special is useful against those mine-laying urns. Apart from that, only use it when an enemy is really close to death and I don't want to take a risk.
stuck breach
yes, spear special is just weak version of shields special
dusky drum
true
stuck breach
imo at least
pastel jolt
spear special is great fun if you make the excellent decision to poseidon boon it
dusky drum
but shield goes into the abyss of asphodel
pastel jolt
also, don't forget that you always have cast
umbral fiber
if you do that, does the reverse-hit knock foes towards you?
stuck breach
yes
umbral fiber
awkward
dusky drum
i was trying to get artemis cast once so i built up to it with quick drop but never got it
pastel jolt
it does and i lost a run to it because i was like "oh it can't be THAT bad"
spoilers: it WAS that bad
umbral fiber
dusky drum
they have to make elysium have walls or posiedon is useless
pastel jolt
poseidon's attack (on a bow or shield) or his cast are really good
umbral fiber
even in asphodel knocking them onto lava helps a lot
dusky drum
cuz in asphodel, the skelebones can just jump out as soon as their knocked in and they get caught on the littlest things
and bosses cant be knocked back
stuck breach
@umbral fiber until you get to witches and blue crystals
stray radish
poseidon's attack on shield is hysterical
stuck breach
and knocking them is not the best option
stray radish
they just yeet across the screen xD
umbral fiber
shield + knocking is amazing, you can traverse the map three times with a tripledash+bulldash+knock
stuck breach
honestly, if they just put shield stagger on poseidon buffs, it would balance things nicely
meaning you can stagger enemies with shields
stray radish
ooo
umbral fiber
yeah the actual damage is underwhelming but oh so fun XD
pastel jolt
knockback on bow is really nice
stray radish
the damage part is when they hit the wall or lava xD
stuck breach
but honestly, oceans bounty was rally good when i was stilla t stage of fillimg my mirror
dusky drum
yea
stuck breach
getting 120 dark stuff from hydra alone was so satisfying
umbral fiber
it helps a lot. i only just reached the point where the basics on the mirror are maxed
dusky drum
i need to fill olympian favor and gods pride so i try to get oceans bounty but i then get stuck with a posiedon build w spear
stuck breach
only basics? oh boy let me tell you you need a LOT of dark to fill up the rares and epics
dusky drum
2500 for the last 2
tough tulip
yeah, haven't even started the epic
stuck breach
it took me around 60 runs to completely fill mirror
pastel jolt
i'm wibbling on which one to prioritise
dusky drum
25 on epic
stuck breach
rare is 50 max., epic is 25
dusky drum
^
tough tulip
oh that's not as bad then
stuck breach
5000 for both to max
tough tulip
I was aiming to max out the mirror before the new content
dusky drum
im at 40 and 10
tough tulip
but oh well
dusky drum
oof, if only i could upload pictures
i had some really fun runs a couple days ago
doing 800 with bow was insane
stuck breach
just put them on imgur and put links
dusky drum
kk
umbral fiber
by basics i actually meant everything except deep pockets and the two +conditional-damage
😅
as in, basics-basics
i'm leaving keys by the wayside until i have a lot more darkness for now because of that
tough tulip
dash damage and backstab are amazing upgrades
umbral fiber
exactly, which is why they go before the rareness buffs
umbral fiber
holy moly how did you even get so many boons
umbral fiber
sounds like you barely had anything without boons
dusky drum
that run was painful
i wanted artemis cast but never got it
i never use sword since i rely on world splitter or flurry
umbral fiber
really? tried world splitter and hated it
dusky drum
its slow but powerful
umbral fiber
but it costs so much mobility
umbral fiber
and the dash-cirt helps
dusky drum
ye
umbral fiber
sucky-blades?
dusky drum
ye
and i had black metal to like 60%
so they were huge
and blade cast w dash
it was just a bunch of swords
stuck breach
ah, you should see fun when black metal is on 100% and more with extra ammo on cast from artemis
imagine 7 blades size of the map mowing enemies
so satisfying
umbral fiber
i'm so happy to hear that finally, just about 10 years later, i'm among those whose PC does not stutter at that XD and all it took was earning my own money and getting a phd
my condolences
so i guess the pull-mechanic must be very calculation-intensive? or do you think it's actually scaling up the animation?
hard holly
The pull mechanic creates extra particles
That many particles on the screen becomes too intense
Crashed the game for me once
umbral fiber
funny thing is i had it once, also with the blade vortexes upgraded twice, but i didn't notice enemies being pulled. is it known to bug out or does it need some attention to notice?
drifting hemlock
it isnt super obvious
it looks like the enemy walking into it rather than them being pulled
but it works
cold cave
damnit. almost killed hydra
burned all my death defies at the last phase
i had this really nice spear special build going. i initially wanted to do spindash but when the hammer came around i only got special upgrades so i took the one that makes it always deal crit damage and built around that
turns out that was actually really effective. i think i ended up doing about 200 damage per hit
which, since you can hit the enemy twice with the returning spear, was just under 400 each time i threw the spear
arctic current
i got to hydra a few times with either a reflection special/supernova build on the sword OR a cast only build, since i have the god's pride maxed at 25% it helps alot X3
trying to get that one epic
arctic current
uuuugh hate those heads
cold cave
yup lmao
and the stunlock from the bullets
i think i got caught by that once this time
drifting hemlock
clear them from one side to another then you'll have plenty open space
cold cave
yeah, thats what i was trying to accomplish
drifting hemlock
once you cleared one side you can take as much time as you want clearing the other
primal folio
brief mention bot oh dang pairing the rapid special daedleus upgrade with any sort of special upgrade looks so good
*i can block anything now
arctic current
except hydra's needler
arctic current
keep tryin, or dyin... as a jedi once said which i could imagen zagreus saying as he comes out of the bloody pool "strike me down and i shall become more powerfull then ever"
hard holly
Well in Zags case that is literally true
... as long as you havent maxed out your mirror yet
arctic current
im getting there in terms of the expensive 50 perks lol
cold cave
and even then its STILL true as long as you arent 100% perfect at the game
you can still learn from each new one, probablu
y
drifting hemlock
Imo on your early runs you should prolong the meg fight and read her abilities rather than focusing on getting damage in and the not be cautious and take damage
Learning enemy attacks and timings is propably the best thing you can do
For meg learning the audio cues helps a ton
arctic current
hey lizzy, your forgetting that one can take out her projectiles with arrows, and spear pokes
drifting hemlock
Once you got that you'll find you kinda only NEED the dash when she makes circles
Im not forgetting that
I never mentioned it
arctic current
and on that note if you have the reflect special you CAN time it to be immune to the circles X3
but thats for the sword aoe special
cold cave
yooo
was a good run 😔
too bad i dont have any death defies left
im surprised i got artemis's legendary though
hard holly
Its probably the easiest to get
cold cave
why so
cold cave
yeah
hard holly
Because you only need any crit to unlock the tier 2 boon
Which is also really good so youll go for it, and then you can already get the legendary
arctic current
never got a legendary T,m,T
hard holly
On the plusside, its also the best one
forest marsh
Can always check the wiki, unless you want to keep it a surprise for yourself
hard holly
Aphrodites turns enemies on other enemies
In theory anyway
I had it twice
Never saw it doing anything
Athenas gives a shield, Poseidons spawns waves that knock the enemy back a second time, Ares causes blade rifts to vacuum enemies
And Zeus creates more bolts
arctic current
so we all now know which god is the guy loving one lol
hard holly
Uhhh
arctic current
making a joke based off aries legendary
hard holly
Well, thats an addition to evenincon.txt
arctic current
bad joke?
forest marsh
Either I don't get it or it's sexual... If the latter then the mods may not enjoy that
grand patrol
i honestly dont get ur joke can u exblain
and it better not be sexual actually fhjfhjfcgjfjh
and it also better not be homophobic
but if its not either of those things then Please explain away bc i want to kjnow
arctic current
well that means he loves to bring guys together, and what better way... then a giant blender vacume
grand patrol
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HJFVHJFVHJFVHJFVHJFVHJFVHJ YEAH ARES REALLY LOVES BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER???
arctic current
hehe well more bodies brought together in a war means more DEAD bodies made
rich lantern
Ares is Hades' #1 supplier
arctic current
well supply and demand
hades is the one who obviously demands.... a little too much... and aries makes the wars
hard holly
Nah, Dionysus is
grand patrol
aries makes the waries
hard holly
Yes, but how many wars have been started because someone had too much to drink
How many people died in bar fights
forest marsh
Come now, Aphrodite 
surely has a stake in the death game too... How many wars has she caused?
hard holly
Thats fair
grand patrol
ares and aph have a secret handshake and its very elaborate and the last move is to kill a dude
hard holly
Idk, neither of them seem to be the type of senseless murder
Thats more the territory of several obscure gods
drifting hemlock
I mean Ares literally gave weapons to the dude who subsequently killed him (Ares) and the rest of the pantheon...
Dude doesn't care, as long as he can cause death, even his own!
woeful stirrup
forest marsh
Mmmmm, spin-dash
woeful stirrup
Game trolled me a lot on this one. Got 2 boons and 2 poms, then nothing for a long time, and then it gave me the choice between epic Hunter Dash, rare Burst Shot and rare Quick Reload. Had 3 Artemis/Ares trials. On the last one, Ares didn't even give me a choice, there was only Curse of Pain.
harsh goblet
Have anyone killed hydra with Cast build? I find it nearly impossible to play cast build at the second act when sometimes the bullets reach the edge of the area where lava is.
forest marsh
Yup, you can definitely do it with a cast build
lost rose
keep your eyes open for the braid of atlas and maybe try using the bone hourglass in asphodel
that'll bump your damage a lot with a cast build
zeus cast is really really good for clearing hydra heads
and those big crowds of armored numbskulls in asphodel
forest marsh
Artemis cast boon is good too, especially with the Burst Shot boon on top of it
harsh goblet
I am able to reach hydra with cast build but then as I mentioned 😦 the bullet is at lava :d
lost rose
yeah that's...definitely irritating but if you've got triple dash upgrade you can generally retrieve them, though it's annoying
forest marsh
Artemis cast should help with losing the Bloodstones, since they home in quick nicely on enemies
lost rose
you might want to keep artemis cast-- yeah
forest marsh
Having Quick Reload from Artemis is also great
That fast drop time is delicious
Basically... just load up on Artemis cast related boons 🙃
harsh goblet
close range cast build is like playing weak version of sword with no stun xD
woeful stirrup
Out of my 6 Hydra wins, 4 were full cast builds and one (my latest) a half cast build.
harsh goblet
impressive 😦 I still find chop sword build too OP for the game, 500 dmg each hit
woeful stirrup
Do you play with keyboard or controller? The aim assist helps a lot with other casts than the Artemis one (and with the Artemis one, any fear of losing ammo is ridiculous)
harsh goblet
keyboard 😄 but the Artemis cast build has no stun, right?
woeful stirrup
Why would you need stun?
woeful stirrup
Just spam your cast until the enemy is dead. Dash to get them back. Repeat.
deep gorge
Just managed a game where I got both Artemis and Zeus legendaries. Absolutely wrecked the hydra.
woeful stirrup
If you truly have a cast build, 4 casts should be enough for any enemy, including the secondary Hydra heads.
forest marsh
True Shot has pretty good base damage, so it's easy to kill enemies pretty fast
harsh goblet
sorry of you misunderstand what I meant by saying stun, it means the enemies cant hit you when they are attacked like being attack by spear or sword
woeful stirrup
And I just said you don't need that if you kill the enemy fast enough.
Can't hurt you if they're dead.
drifting hemlock
if you get epic variation of true shot as your first boon you've pretty much won
i both hope it gets nerfed and hope it doesnt
autumn tapir
drifting hemlock
Burst shot seems fine now, 25% of the base shot is not a lot, but its something
more often than not you'd put a pom into true shot instead of an extra burst shot so i think it's fine where that is now, but getting a 180 true shot from your first boon, essentially letting you one shot everything on the first floor is just insane imo
carried me through most of my runs
forest marsh
25% of 200+ is still like getting an extra regular cast or better, so seems good to me 😆
arctic venture
I finally managed to get 1000 damage on a single bow shot!!
not a huge achievement but it feels great
lost rose
nah that's really big!! i've never gotten over like 550 damage on any attack
arctic venture
artemis dash + extra crit damage + power shot daedalus hammer buff + skull earring + backstab + athena attack boon, I think?
forest marsh
Sounds about right for that kind of damage
arctic current
why cant i share a screenshot, it's of a build i just made before i go into the hydra fight
errant narwhal
you can post it to an external site like imgur and then post the link here
rough condor
My highest in the current build was 16xx with the spear
arctic current
thats my current build
got 2 god trial rooms with zeuse and aries X3
think this may work?
tribal hornet
quick tp
tip*
the walls are red herrings
get in it's face
when it's not invulnerable ofc
arctic current
kk
tribal hornet
second phase you can dash behind the head when he casts the missles
frosty pier
or you can wait behind the wall for half of barrage to hit a wall and then dash to hydra
do your thing and dash away into safety
arctic current
died with 10% cause of a rogue needle
cold oriole
walls work great with bow lol
when you stand under him you need to look out for the smashy bois
crisp girder
what kind of changes will the make to artemis booms ?
frosty pier
Nooooobody knooooows
carmine zinc
green musk
Probably nerfs?
Hunter dash is so free.
you get it, bam 100% damage upgrade.
with the main strength being that you can stack it with athena
to become nigh invulnerable and deal ludicrous amounts of damage.
Whilst artemis' own blessings feel like you're gimping yourself.
seriouly, why would I want a crit chance on my weapon, when it bottoms out at 100%
whilst I can get a athena blessing with a few poms to go 120-160%
Since it is a chance, in rough terms you get 40% more dps
athena straight up gives you 60% at her lowest, I believe
with 40% => 50% as opposed to 60% => 80%
it doesn't synergize with any other blessings either so.
Like, take varantha. Hunter dash => clean kill => athena attack blessing => faster charge => hide breaker. Congratulations, your charge attack outright kills all enemies except bosses in one hit.
I seriously just take the arrowhead keepsake every time to get hunter dash every time. If not hunter dash, I'll take the cast upgrade.
And if it would work, I'd take the owl pendant for area 2. But nah, dun work. So skull earring it is.
Once you learn boss patterns, damage is the only thing that matters.
Otherwise, I hope they rework the trove tracker to be a better investment. And well, some of the other well items. Tossing away 50 gold to gain 70 on average without a great build and the possibility for annoying enemies, or enemy spam?
Considering you might've gotten a trove for FREE
meaning you might end up with a rng net gain of -50
icy edge
I mean, the instant kill builds aren't really that fun to play if you keep gunning for them
I got lucky with Ares, getting rare cast, then epic cast size and it was the most ridiculous, most amusing thing I've played since Artemis with the spear
green musk
Oh god yes
I think I had an ares build where I had spinning blades which were giant, homed in on enemies, AND sucked enemies in
(which is the legendary blessing for ares, sucky black hole blades)
shy thunder
that poor hydra... i got a similar build once. first win against it
i tried to avoid it after that though. too easy, and i needed the kill with the weapons for the codex
green musk
Something I always find a lil meh is poseidon. Like, it makes killing normal enemies a cakewalk, but it doesn't do anything against bosses.
shy thunder
well, there are really only TWO bosses yet. and meg is easy after you fight her a few times
green musk
I played the game enough now that I can finish with relatively any weapon, any kind of build. If it's a weak build usually one the last two pieces of death defiance.
shy thunder
it IS a bit useless for the hydra, that's true
green musk
it's fun to just take whatever weapon has thirst for darkness
solar sapphire
Try Zeus then, that's even more extreme. 2 rightclicks kill the whole room offscreen but vs boss you just run around or wait for collecting your shards
green musk
I once had a zeus build with his legendary blessing
which spawns 5 electric orbs that fly a random direction when you hit anything with an orb
so his blessing, or his cast.
green musk
yup
most insane on cast tho
especially if you get more bounces
5 bounces, 25 orbs that deal 40 damage each
solar sapphire
haha, sounds fun
green musk
Does aphrodite have a legendary?
manic goblet
talking about legendaries is probably somewhat spoilerish 
solar sapphire
still too slow though imo ;)
green musk
i guess, but it's more gameplay than spoilers tho..
solar sapphire
good ol triple shot + divine strike + hunter's dash is still fastest and most fun :D
green musk
Triple shot is neat, but I find that the charge or perfect shot ones are a bit better if you're just gunning for dps.
if you want silliness, take barrage and gun for zeus
solar sapphire
the only thing that does more damage is point blank shot
green musk
yeah, but it's very hard to utilize
solar sapphire
which is an o.k. alternative but takes longer to clear rooms
green musk
I wish it had less falloff.
charge shot is probably the best one, because no matter what shot, you'll do more damage.
at least 100%
I feel like coronacht is quite weak without the hammer.
solar sapphire
just dash in front of mob/boss, hit with 3 crit's into face which are all buffed by +100% mirror passive
it oneshots everything
green musk
yeah, kinda iffy that dash releases the shot
solar sapphire
including all boss 25%s
livid kraken
Well, the sword is also weak with no hammer
green musk
it should shoot before you dash tbh
icy edge
I wish there was a way to force the hammer with a keepsake or something
green musk
The sword is like, the strongest weapon in my opinion, even without hammer. You got some great utility
Hammer shows up every run
if you don't get it before area 2, you explicitly missed it.
icy edge
Not for me, I usually get through Tartarus without a single one
And hell yes I pick it when it shows up on the door
Or... hades yes I pick it
I guess
green musk
I'd rate the weapons like this. Shied < coronacht < varantha < stygius.
I just like sygius because it has the fastest attacks
icy edge
Waaaaat
Shield>Spear>Bow>Sword
manic goblet
Always interesting to see how differently people rate the weapons
green musk
Shield has by far the worst hammer upgrades
icy edge
If you dont get special, yeah
green musk
I usually try to go for max attack, or max bull rush.
I don't use the shield special
it's too slow
solar sapphire
The only thing I find decent on shield is special + ares
everything else just does 0 damage
green musk
Ares makes any weapon viable. Not the most powerful of blessings, but good if you want to poke.
solar sapphire
if you don't think bow is best, you honestly haven't tried to tripple shot + athene attack + hunter dash and play it as melee weapon
it's insanely fun and most damage you will see
icy edge
Yeah... I never get hammer so no triple shot xD
solar sapphire
when you 4shot meg, you will just giggle ;)
frosty pier
SHield is a utility weapon, imo, that .50cal of a cast is your real weapon
green musk
I mean, with the bow you can easily get 400 damage shots on the regular.
icy edge
Depends on the playstyle i guess
solar sapphire
also deflecting bombs is fun :D
icy edge
I like to hold my ground whenever I can, whether with athena's attack or by having enough damage that nothing gets close enough
green musk
Super nova stygius with athena special
bombs ain't got brah on that.
just run up to a witch, instantly shut them down with one press of a button.
Now if only it could knock back invulnerable enemies xD
Super nova with poseidon and his leg is just silly
icy edge
Dunno, I don't find witches all that dangerous
green musk
anything you hits gets knocked back into oblivion
they're not, but it's still fun to just
shoot their stuff back
icy edge
True
stuck breach
how can one not get hammer in run? i mean there was not a single run i have not encountered it, either through room or shop. i think devs put it as 100% chance to appear in tartarus no matter what
green musk
I usually get it before my first blessing
grave cipher
It's not 100% in Tartarus
I'm sure of it
I always got a hammer in my run, but not always in tartarus
pastel jolt
i had a run once where i didn't get a hammer spawn until asphodel
icy edge
Every other run, I'm hammer-less. It's alright though, it adds to the challenge
rough condor
You have always the option to get it either through shop or room. If you skip it it will appear in the next floor
solar sapphire
hmm... I read about it in #hades-feedback , but never saw it in game: what is "dark thirst" ?
sly drift
at the start of each run a "random i think" weapon will have a purple swirl below it
when you use that weapon for the next run you get the dark thrist "boon?" which shows up like the other boon and increases all your dark essence gain by 10% for that next run
sly drift
really?
green musk
sisyphus.
dire hinge
wut ? I never noticed this
sly drift
wow never noticed
green musk
nor tinge of erebus from charon
solar sapphire
hm
So it's just +10% darkness gain?
sounds like a great idea for switching weapons, but who needs darkness xD
sly drift
ye its a light incentive so you dont just keep using the same weapon
also who doesnt need the darkness
green musk
people who maxed the mirror? 😛
candid spire
same
sly drift
that boss was difficult
green musk
tip, get up close when he retreats to the middle, then dash around him as he is about to fire his arrows.
it'll shoot the arrows at a bad angle, and they'll circle around you instead of hitting.
allows you to freely hit the main head.
sly drift
ohh i always hide behind the rocks
solar sapphire
hehe, yeah first 1-2 times definitely! But if you keep playing after, you make 150++ darkness per run
green musk
rocks is alright, but then you miss out on damage.
I once had an early poseidon treasure boon
116%
each centaur heart gave like 56 health xD
sly drift
ye that one is great
green musk
so I had 270-ish health by the end
sly drift
Ive had a lot of fun wiht launching 5 missiles each time i use a cast
solar sapphire
very nice
solar sapphire
no
green musk
1-10 darkness, a little bit of coin, and like one sandwich.
sly drift
it looks like they hear us though and gonna buff it
green musk
you can upgrade the boon of poseidon one that gives you more rewards lol.
solar sapphire
oh
radiant compass
Patch is expected today yeah?
green musk
I mean, why take sunken treasure when athena vast riches is 200-450 gold
solar sapphire
then I dont take it, just the one that gives you 1x stuff
empty canopy
Welll it will probably be fixed/nerfed but one guy eariler said it give centuar heart not hp
so bonus max hp ain't bad
solar sapphire
I hate it when the game tries to force 4 upgradeable boons on me so that I can't upgrade my main-boon anymore
radiant compass
Hey, what trinkets do you guys take?
green musk
it ain't damage, so it ain't for me. but I'll take it if I get it early, or if it's the best alternative
radiant compass
I pretty much always use the dog collar.
green musk
I usually take adamant arrowhead first
radiant compass
But I feel like maybe that is bad.
green musk
then switch to skull earring later
sly drift
i dont know while the weird tooth exists when there is the collar
solar sapphire
yeah, skull earing all the way is best if you don't mind endless re-rolling
sly drift
I mean do you want 10 hp once or 25 forever
green musk
in terms of blessings I find Artemis, ares and athena the strongest.
solar sapphire
otherwise I would heavily reccomend start with the god you want your main boon from and then go skull earing after meg
icy edge
^^ what i do
sly drift
Im a big fan of athenas shielded dash
icy edge
Tho sometimes I just switch to aphrodite because damage resist
sly drift
ye but your imminue for the whole duration
icy edge
Immunity is the real draw yeah
sly drift
even to the hydra attack
green musk
you have a big window between dashes you're vulnerable lol, or at least after the last dash
solar sapphire
Ketrai is right because Athena is max damage and Artemis is the only god that can buff another boon
green musk
and ares is just good for ranged hidey builds
sly drift
why is athena max damage?
green musk
just the most base damage
solar sapphire
by that I mean it can buff a "slot" (attack), that is already buffed by another god
solar sapphire
her boons just have max +dmg
green musk
I love how artemis can buff ares
sly drift
weird would have thought ares deal the most
solar sapphire
Athena > Poseidon > Artemis = Aphrodite
green musk
hide breaker applies to ares boon.
solar sapphire
in terms of raw +X% attackpower
sly drift
ares flat bonus can be really good, escpecially on specials
green musk
Or no
it's not artemis it's uh
the armor impaler hammer thing
it applies to ares boon
radiant compass
Yeah, if I'm gonna take the trinket of the god whose boon I want I'd basically always take artemis and get crit dash.
green musk
More syngeries would be neat
other than just going max revenge damage build :^)
you can have zeus, aphrodite, athena, ares all on revenge.
solar sapphire
I would recommend get athena, because you dont need crit-dash to be anything but normal
sly drift
ye i feel like it would be fine if you got the effect on taking damage of multiple gods
green musk
you can also stack bronze skin and different league
sly drift
anyone know what makes legendary boons happen, only got ares one so far
green musk
I got 60% damage resistance one game.
I've experienced all of em except aphrodite
i'll post in spoilers
legendary boons seem to be completely random chance
I've never gotten more than two
one*
in a run
pastel jolt
they have prerequisites
you gotta get certain boons before the legendaries become available
green musk
I don't imagine the athena and artemis ones do.
pastel jolt
they do
radiant compass
Lots of the boons have prereqs.
Not even the legendary ones. There's like a 1st, 2nd, 3rd tier.
pastel jolt
yup
radiant compass
If you want to the legendary boons get a lot of boons from one god.
green musk
I find the artemis one kind of lackluster compared to the others
literally most of her blessings are better than her legendary.
sly drift
isnt there already one whcich does that just on cast?
green musk
yes, burst shot
sly drift
still though on attack extra damage is nice
green musk
if you want the most powerful single target cast build, artemis is the one to go.
stuck breach
no need for complications, simple, yet effective: https://i.imgur.com/g0sekSH.png
sly drift
had a lot of fun with "spell shards drop after 1 second"
green musk
looks like a really thin build aeon
if you upgrade it, you can get near instant spell shard drops
sly drift
isnt that that nice sword special thing with insane range and damage?
green musk
it's silly
radiant compass
I managed to get Blade Cast, Hungry Blades, Black Metal and Howling Vortex.
stuck breach
yes, its the nova, double range and damage on special
radiant compass
Pretty goddamn insane.
radiant compass
Press B. HUGE vortex sweeps the screen.
sly drift
seems nice
green musk
Enemies try desperatly to escape.
sly drift
I wish bosses were affected by the knockback effects
radiant compass
Yeah, like most of the "full builds" it trivilises the game a bit.
green musk
it should at least do like, 10% extra damage if you get knockback vs bosses
sly drift
ye or like after beeing knocked back the boss is immiune to knockback for some time
green musk
rng tries to make full builds rare
there seems to be a mechanic where you can only have three gods.
random each time.
which in turn makes it easier again to get full builds.
sly drift
hmm i seem to remember having boons of 4 gods once
gray hamlet
maybe shop sells different ones?
sly drift
but may be misremembering
green musk
i think shops can sell different ones ye
i've also had runs where I got my forced blessing, then three different gods
damn you artemis, forsaking my offering like that
gray hamlet
tbh i think for many people it is hard to even get through the second world without cheese builds. i hope the final release of the game doesnt feel like bastion meets bullet hell. 😦
sly drift
second area was tough but it does get better over time
green musk
second area is relatively easy if you don't let enemies box you in
sly drift
plus i havent found a cheese build
gray hamlet
i feel there is way too many projectiles in asphodel, but to each their own i guess
stuck breach
keeping same keepsake while going to asphodel does seem to be buggy, i don't always get it as 1st
sometimes it does not pop at all
sly drift
i use athena shield dash a lot of the time so that helps
green musk
It doesn't work in asphodel aeon
the arrowhead is literally just your first blessing
after that it's random till the end.
sly drift
yes but you can change keep sake
stuck breach
wait, so i have to change if i want it to have effect?
green musk
no, none of the offering ones do anything past tartarus
so you need to pick something else
sly drift
so it would make sense if it applied the effect again since otherwise there would be no reason to use em
stuck breach
🤔
sly drift
by the way am i missing somethign or is the 10 hp death defy almost strictly wose than the 25 hp one
stuck breach
i was sure it worked properly before, or maybe i was just getting lucky with gods
green musk
but yeah, second area... just keep your distance from enemies, stay on the edge of their attack area.
the only things I find annoying are the invunerability dispensers
you can stagger enemies if they have no armor when invulnerable, but otherwise beh
gray hamlet
im mostly getting killed by the bazillion witches shooting out 5 projectiles at a time
and my casts falling into lava 😦
sly drift
all attacks destroy projectiles
gray hamlet
i know i know
gray hamlet
oh also, does anyone ever use the spear special? it just feels kinda underwhelming compared to all other specials
sly drift
cause "WHAAT you thought cause these projectiles are also purple you could deflect or destroy them?? noo no nooo"
green musk
it's underwhelming, but you can make power builds based on backstab
sly drift
spear special is fine you can pull it back for easy backstab
green musk
since it's really easy to get backstabs with
gray hamlet
hadnt considered that hm
green musk
it's also nice if you wanna run ares and keep max range
sly drift
the backstab mirror thingy is surprisingly good since it works with every single form of damage which has a direction
gray hamlet
and while i have your attention, is there some reason that i seem to get backstabs randomly when using the spear? even when i appear to be in front of them
green musk
it even works on traps
sly drift
atleast as far as i know
green musk
it's based relative on the player
you can have traps backstab enemies for 200 damage
HELL, EVEN LAVA BACKSTABS
lava spawned by projectiles that is
not the lava tiles
Casts can't backstab unfortunately
imagine
vital canopy
I really like the spear special
green musk
it's too slow to my liking, but it has its uses.
sly drift
did you know you can dash with a charged spear special
vital canopy
I find Aegis to be really underwhelming, despite it being fun
grave cipher
*dash behind u
"Nothing personel kid"
Backstab u for 200 damages
green musk
aegis is the weakest dps wise imo
sly drift
I like the throw and the knockback is great once your in lavaland
green musk
good with pulverising blow, or poseidon to dab on regular enemies.
throw punishes you if you miss
sly drift
ye
green musk
or sometimes the shield desides it wants to go to space.
sly drift
throw is bad in lavaland though
green musk
The bash is fine if you get hammer luck
otherwise hope for quick bull rush
quick bull rush is powerful too
extreme mobility
sly drift
hmm i mostly take the 20% damage reduction, never used the rush a lot
sly drift
ye for the throw
green musk
because sometimes I want to hit the floating blue meanie behind all his friends.
And not the invulnerable meanies in front of him
you got that coronacht?
Thanks
sly drift
did you know if your full health health pick ups will block your path
green musk
yup
I wish charon's well were more useful
most of the items are badly priced or straight up bad
sly drift
the healing ones seem nice
green musk
his shop is better tho
sly drift
ye but then you gotta waist a room
vital canopy
it's still early in dev--I'll bet pricing improves
green musk
Btw, i bought all the decorative items hoping it'd expand the pool
sly drift
nope stays empty
pastel jolt
yeah, i kinda wish you got more darkness if you bought it in asphodel or something
green musk
turns out sometimes charon's well decides it just wants to give you two options instead
Of all healing items, the ring is the best value imho
turbid needle
most of the time you either go charon shop or you get a well
sly drift
I guess thats a good and a bad thing
green musk
then elixer
lastly hydralite
unless you got a 270 health poseidon build
then hydralite is op
xD
cyclops jerky is overpriced in my opinion
sly drift
I think the artemis extra shards buff should be 2 shards atleast
green musk
40% used to be good, but like
you're chaffing out 80 gold for a temporary damage upgrade
when a 100 can get you a pom
pastel jolt
i always buy the extra death defies when they come up
green musk
sometimes it is when it's epic wunarg
I'd buy em, but I don't need em. 90 is too much for 20 hp
pastel jolt
but that's not very often :c
green musk
sure, it's like buying a centaur heart
pastel jolt
hey when you cut it as close as i do the extra chance is nice
i lost a run once because i took idiot damage right at the end of the hydra fight
pastel jolt
"oh i'll just dash out to - OW OW OW NEVERMIND"
green musk
lol
i got 36-ish completed runs so far
My first win was stygius
nova build
it's slow but safe damage.
pastel jolt
oh you thought you were going to just take damage from one projectile? [billy mays voice] but wait, there's more
green musk
a million projectiles, let me just press my special button.
sly drift
thats why i have to take athena dash
green musk
enemies surrounding me?
sly drift
it protects
green musk
let me just press my knockback button
like super nova makes the special damage so free
pastel jolt
yeah, i had a good nova run but i lost it bc tfw no hydra deflect
green musk
it should give the trade-off of removing knockback
Ever had super nova poseidon?
YOu just hit your special button to end rooms, basically
pastel jolt
yessss
green musk
but it gets better
ever had super nova poseidon with the legendary effect, wall damage and wall stun?
it's like, such a meme
sly drift
and then you fight a boss and die
green musk
na, damage is still free enough that you can almost hit the hydra from behind the rocks
and you can hit the heads from out of their reach
sooo, basically a glorified cast build
I don't like to go cast builds, they're too free, and you can't upgrade them unless you take zeus, artemis, or ares cast
Upgraded ares cast is the best in the game, then zeus coz CC, then artemis.
I don't see why anyone would take aphrodite cast
sinful atlas
@sly drift I can't believe you like the Athena dash! I used it once and it quickly destroyed my run. I hope it's because it's actually good and I just don't know how to play with it.
Or it's not my style
sly drift
I like how it makes you immune during the full dash
green musk
it's good to dab on witches
sinful atlas
Dashes make you immune anyway right?
green musk
but witches are already one of the weakest enemies
the strongest enemy in my opinion is ye ol floating blue boy.
And no, dashes don't make you immume completely
sinful atlas
Huh, TIL.
green musk
there's immumity frames and attack exceptions though
azure swan
green musk
if you dash at the first boss for example, they'll still hit you.
proud storm
green musk
Artemis buffed enemies
in general
:^)
or aphrodite, coz it makes my fights take longer >:C
green musk
why don't brimstones get more hp like witches in area 2
sinful atlas
I've had this room with a lava pit in the middle. There floated 3 shield bois and 4 brimstone boys. I was rocking the god darned shield. The terror.
sinful atlas
It was a precarious situation to say the least.
sinful atlas
Hey by the way, I found a cool interaction yesterday. Might be gone with the patch but who knows: If you dash a few times just after firing off the shield bash, you keep the damage aura during the dashes and you can damage enemies way further off than the bash normally reaches.
You keep the dash 'aura' for as long as the rush would've taken, so it's not bound to the dashes, but to the time it would have been there.
green musk
when you get faster bull rush 😄
i don't know why anyone would take slower bull rush
it's straight up just bad
sinful atlas
never tried it. Probably stacks nicely with damage%up or crits
because the damage goes up right?
green musk
it does, but like... it charges soooo slowly
you don't get the chance to get off the max charge often
sinful atlas
for the patient princes among us
green musk
also anyone remember life drinker on stygius?
you could hit enemies and heal faster than they could damage you.
also some enemies were just free health
delicate grail
hey, you know when the patch will be on ? (sorry for my bad english)
green musk
in a few hours likely
delicate grail
ok ok thx
green musk
i'm 100% certain hunter dash nerfs are incoming
they can't keep it with how busted it is.
weary glacier
Nope, just attacks
sinful atlas
Oh ok, then it's not even that great with sword and shield.
Really amazing with spear and bow though.
weary glacier
Yes, with some dmg crits, backstabs, power show upgrade, attack boost, you can go up to 1k on some monsters... This needs a nerf ^^
sinful atlas
I think it's fine though. It's a boon I don't take over everything in every build, and not even high prio with some weapons.
weary glacier
What's your go-to build?
green musk
it's pretty good with shield if you get pulverising blow from hammer
weary glacier
Hm ok. ^^ In the contrary, I always go on dash crit. ^^
icy edge
Nah fam poseidon shield build is the real deal
green musk
not as insane as stygius 100-400 damage crits
sinful atlas
Yeah sure but if you have a cast or special build going, and you find the crit dash late in asphodel, it's usually not an auto-pick addition.
green musk
Shield and sword are the easiest weapons to abuse the dash damage with.
turbid needle
hi
weary glacier
Yup, same. ^^
green musk
It's much easier to get good builds from artemis than zeus, athena or ares.
icy edge
For now
weary glacier
xD
green musk
I disregard aphrodite because aphrodite is for a defensive playstyle 😛
i'll just take a boon that only gives me 20% more damage, and makes my caste outright worse
K
somber epoch
do you guys think artemis will be nerfed in the update?
green musk
yes
icy edge
It's likely
green musk
hunter dash for sure
weary glacier
It certainly will.
green musk
i also think all casts will loose damage
icy edge
Yo, on the topic of casts
Is there any reason to take athena's?
Over literally any other
somber epoch
I like it because it's very thicccc
icy edge
Fair enough, but not exactly the breakdown I was expecting xD
thorny current
xD
green musk
Athena is viable coz
drifting hemlock
not piercing
somber epoch
i guess it's also a panic deflect
woeful stirrup
Casts might not all lose damage. Most casts aren't that great damage-wise unless you upgrade them a lot. Artemis cast is definitely too powerful, though.
sinful atlas
Why? Homing too stronk?
green musk
zeus is too powerful right off the bat
icy edge
No, the dmg scaling
green musk
artemis is just hi-damage
somber epoch
but hooo boy if you get a good cast drop time boon you gonna go crazy
icy edge
Its wonky on both zeus and artemis
woeful stirrup
Nah, because you start with nearly 200 damage on that cast.
thorny current
i feel like spear plus zeus legendary is a free run each time. they should nerf zeus's tier 2 and 3 . also zeus cast is one of the strongest. i basically find myself always running zeus's keepsake for a free hydra clear
green musk
the most powerful is ares thooooooo
icy edge
Ares cast is ridiculous
sinful atlas
really nice
green musk
Upgrade ares caste can have up to following : Homing, size, duration, black hole effect.
frosty pier
With homing you can shoot at hydra behind the wall
sinful atlas
Watch it with the spoilers please Ketrai.
green musk
Literally guys, stop going behind the wall for hydro
just get up close
the boss will miss all their shots
green musk
and let you wail on em.
icy edge
At the moment at least
sinful atlas
Nah i mean rare boons
frosty pier
You can drop hydra here, mods said it
empty canopy
The second boss is dusa
thorny current
the "y" word lmao
drifting hemlock
Talking about boons is fair game aswell.
green musk
it's all gameplay here
if you come here not expecting spoilers about mechanics
das a bit silly
sinful atlas
Fair enough, thought i saw someone moving rare boons to spoilers a bit ago but if not fine too.
icy edge
On that note, since i didnt max mirror... how high do the last 2 go?
drifting hemlock
50 and 25
icy edge
Daaaaamn
thorny current
2500 darkness for each to max
icy edge
That's a lot of dankness
grave cipher
25 runs for both
somber epoch
do i need to go play some kingdom hearts to get all that darkness?
grave cipher
50 runs total to get them
icy edge
I am looooong past the point where I can clock in that much time in video games
drifting hemlock
I got the mirror maxed in 55 runs
sinful atlas
that's absurdly high Ketrai
green musk
Oh yeah, another thing dark thirst doesn't scale with
sinful atlas
How even? Just good luck with darkness-rewards?
green musk
poseidon
lost rose
Just so everyone knows, gameplay channel is open season for spoilers
For obvious reasons :P
sinful atlas
Thanks for clarifying
weary glacier
Thanks. ^^
lost rose
i can't edit those unfortunately but i'll let morgan know
green musk
thx
drifting hemlock
Always picking darkness rewards when you can, always picking the boss option if there's two to choose from, always going for poseidon between tartarus and asphodel for the chance of his boon.
And always picking dark thirst of course
and darkness from sassafras
green musk
i got poseidon rewards boon at 116% in tartarus
ended the run with 400 darkness, 270 hp
it scales up centaur hearts for some reason
tulip timber
It's any room-clear collectible reward. So those count.
drifting hemlock
And its buggy with gold
woeful stirrup
Poseidon boon is really good for farming. When I get it, I usually don't even try to get a good build. I just go full pom and darkness.
You also get insane gold so you can pillage every single Charon shop.
green musk
since I maxed the mirror, I just go full centaur for the memes
It's so much stronger than sunken treasure
sunken treasure is useless compared to ocean's bounty, unless you get it late
drifting hemlock
Sunken treasure needs a buff, it's so weak
green musk
Epic sunken treasure : Oh, neat, I get 40 gold... 7 darkness, and uh, one sandwich.
drifting hemlock
Twice have i picked an epic version and gotten 16 health, 30 gold and 2-4 darkness
somber epoch
does sunken treasure stack with the pos boon that increases resource gain?
drifting hemlock
but oceans bounty gives way too much gold... you get 75 for a room clear, but with say 100% oceans bounty you get way over 300 gold for a room clear
woeful stirrup
Sunken treasure could be interesting if it synergized with Ocean's Bounty.
drifting hemlock
its bugged
green musk
it should give you a tiny reward after every room imho
Clear a room? Here you go, two health, two darkness, and ten gold.
tulip timber
I think Ocean's bounty might boost gold drops from dudes?
green musk
i think it does
woeful stirrup
That could be interesting too. Maybe have it give you one of its treasures each room. You either get money, darkness or a kebab.
tulip timber
The number IV Combo Meal.
drifting hemlock
Oh btw im not sure if this is confirmation bias but it seems that all groups of pots in charons shop rooms in asphodel have a little gold in them, in spite of them not looking special (gold like in tartarus)