#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 188

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 12:57 AM

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Imhotep

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 12:59 AM

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Sprinkle in a darkest dungeon Ancestor's "Obliterated!"... a dish made for a god

carmine zinc Jan 5, 2019, 1:00 AM

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@mellow garden I think you're posting in the wrong place for your problem

lost rose Jan 5, 2019, 1:00 AM

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it's ok, i addressed their concerns in tech support ^^

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Alright I'm walking into the grocery store. What's the best hades beverage that isn't an energy drink.

celest dagger Jan 5, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Whenever I watch people play hades they just walk around the enemy calmly to evade attacks

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:30 AM

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That's what I do

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Tea

celest dagger Jan 5, 2019, 1:31 AM

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And when I play hades I feel like I’m getting carpal tunnel because I’m spamming dash so hard

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Chai tea perhaps?

celest dagger Jan 5, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Walking?? What’s that

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:31 AM

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The best beverage when doing anything is tea

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:31 AM

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if we're talking about a beverage for playing Hades then there's only one option really

celest dagger Jan 5, 2019, 1:31 AM

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And I need to stop dashing like an idiot xD sometimes I dash right into enemy attacks

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:31 AM

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When I was new I spammed dash on cool down until the game told me to stop

celest dagger Jan 5, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Pomegranate juice?

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:31 AM

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https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/6108QHt0dWL._SY606_.jpg

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Now I only dash when it's smart to

celest dagger Jan 5, 2019, 1:32 AM

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POM OF POWER

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called it

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Oh man pom juice is the clear winner

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Pomegranate juice kinda sucks tbh

celest dagger Jan 5, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Whaaat

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:32 AM

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OK, doing it. Be back later.

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Ive never tried Pomegranate tea though

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Heathen

celest dagger Jan 5, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Uhh actually wait yeah

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The first time I tried Pom it was worse than I thought

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:32 AM

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It had to be done

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:32 AM

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In tea form, it should be an explosion of taste

celest dagger Jan 5, 2019, 1:32 AM

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It’s kinda like grapefruit, an acquired taste

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Takes a bit but then it’s addictive

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:32 AM

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sour and a little bitter, like cranberries

celest dagger Jan 5, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Now I don’t get enough of it

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:33 AM

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pomegranate jelly is the best

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:33 AM

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If I don't get stronger after drinking it I'm going to put a ticket in over at #h1-tech-support

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Pomegranate itself is fine

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Fair?

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:33 AM

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But as juice its not good

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:33 AM

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reasonable

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:33 AM

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If you want to drink juice, drink blueberry juice

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:34 AM

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That's not pom tho

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Correct, its actually good

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:34 AM

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I'm coming to Germany, Owen and I are going to have to throw down

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Lmao

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:35 AM

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~~Looks like in your case, its the hypocritic oath~~

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:35 AM

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#gottem

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Berserk

hollow totem Jan 5, 2019, 1:38 AM

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spamming dash is good

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you just have to get good at it

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Yeah, once youve got the hang of it, you can dash the foes hopes and dreams

hollow totem Jan 5, 2019, 1:38 AM

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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Spamming dash is only good if you know where you are landing with it :>

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Nah, just spin the wheel

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Hell, thats another double-pun

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Oooh banned

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 1:40 AM

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F

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 1:40 AM

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UNO is getting in so much trouble today

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:40 AM

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I cant get used to PG-13 servers >.>

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:41 AM

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We will put that on your tombstone

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Actually I kind of want that on mine now

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:41 AM

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~~PG-13 reasons why~~

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 1:41 AM

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???? - 2019
Got served by Discord```

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Any of you stream hades btw? I've thought about it but wouldn't mind catching others play if anyone wants to dm me their channels.

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:42 AM

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I think we had a couple of people here stream hades

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But I imagine scheduling it is hell

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:42 AM

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Oh you

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 1:43 AM

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I've thought about it, but I don't think anyone would want to watch my mediocre ability at playing Hades 😆

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 1:43 AM

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And show the world how much I cheese the game? Nooo melting parmesan with shame is not a good thing to do

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:43 AM

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I feel like the moment I stream it I'll go from God tier to "wtf does this person even own this game"

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🤔

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:44 AM

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Your skill flows down the stream, and you are left an empty husk

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:44 AM

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I'll allow it

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:45 AM

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Also I really wish Badtouch was german, there is a german pun he simply wouldnt get >.>

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Hit me

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Menacing as pillarmen there

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Its based on Coronacht

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And the german word in it

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:47 AM

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🈁 🈁 🈁

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I know..a few words in German

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not enough to carry a conversation but enough to hear a sentence and sometimes say "Yes, I understood a portion of that!"

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Where are you from that you would know parts of german

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:49 AM

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California, but I'm fond of foreign languages

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:49 AM

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:D

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:49 AM

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not enough to pick my lazy arse up and actually learn one, but I dabble

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Do we need to know?

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:51 AM

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We'll find out

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Sounds like preparations A through G have been made...

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Time for H

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:53 AM

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And now I want to see the magic trick where we spin it to be hades related!

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:53 AM

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... damn you got me

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I guess if everything is one nation, that would explain how greece has the mchappy meal?

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:54 AM

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Maybe we can file it under "things shades might say" and just gloss on over it

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:54 AM

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We need a rapping shade to go with Orpheus

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He could be a particularly slim shade

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 1:54 AM

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AAAARGHHHH

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 1:54 AM

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But it's not a McDonalds meal, it's just a gyro and fries

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:55 AM

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In fact, thats how we could use the chair in the top left of the house of hades

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He could stand up from there to begin rapping

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Isn't it just some shaurma?

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:55 AM

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it's a gyro?

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I thought it was just a burrito

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 1:55 AM

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It's definitely a gyro, unless I'm hallucinating

lost rose Jan 5, 2019, 1:55 AM

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looked like a gyro to me

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:56 AM

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If its a gyro, why doesnt it improve the spear spin

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 1:56 AM

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It'll make you into a Hero Kappa

lost rose Jan 5, 2019, 1:56 AM

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or a euro

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depending on how you pronounce it

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 1:56 AM

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I've always heard it pronounced "hero"

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Oh my god

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Imagine Meg singing "I need a hero" in her room and Zag walks in on it

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I dont know why that is so funny to me

lost rose Jan 5, 2019, 1:57 AM

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the greek is something like "yeero" lol

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:57 AM

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When I was in Australia, McDonald's had beetroot burgers. I was so out of my element. It's almost like that time I picked bow but didn't grab Artemis.

(that's how you spin)

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 1:57 AM

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That would never happen (re: Meg) 'cause megaera don't need nobody to succeed

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:57 AM

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he would be too busy laughing to notice his head being removed from his shoulders

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Is it because its totally out of character for Meg

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Is it because the awkward pause would be hilarious

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Is it because of the hilarity that ensues afterwards

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Who knows

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Actually, what would Meg listen to?

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:58 AM

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look she keeps the prickly exterior up in public but we all know she's a giant softie deep down

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 1:58 AM

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My favorite part is how discord mobile is taking 20seconds plus to post so my responses are all out of context blurts rather than in conversation. LOL

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 1:58 AM

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very.....very deep down

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it's somewhere in there

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 1:58 AM

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We're all soft on the inside, and Mag has spilled out Zag's insides plenty of times squirtdevious

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Technically the reverse is true

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What if Megs room was full of plushies

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 1:59 AM

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Well she is fond of Dusa, so soft side 100% in there...

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 1:59 AM

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Everyone is fond of Dusa... except maybe Nyx volfredthink

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 1:59 AM

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~~Megs room is just filled to the brim with Dusa plushies~~

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:00 AM

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I got unreasonably angry when I saw Nyx yelling at Dusa

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:00 AM

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Nyx is good at hiding that...behind that inprogress art

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:00 AM

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~~Yeah, Zag shouldve been the one to do it~~

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Ow no

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Haven't seen that event

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Whoops, this isnt hades-spoilers

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Sorry Ma'Sair, but spoilers are technically allowed in this channel

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Though it isn't spoilers related to gameplay, so... Maybe we're just conversing in the wrong channel anyway

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:02 AM

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Well i have like 60 runs in so it's a bit strange

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 2:02 AM

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"Actually, what would Meg listen to?" mitski

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:02 AM

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No idea what that is

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:02 AM

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I think it only triggers if you've given a few ambrosia to Dusa

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 2:02 AM

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You have to give enough Ambrosia to one (or maybe both) of Nyx and Dusa @frosty pier

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:03 AM

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I was just imagining either pre-favourite game Cardigans

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 2:03 AM

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I'm completely done with the mirror but still have some conversations to finish up when I get around to it

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Oooor some Norwegian heavy metal

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 2:03 AM

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I was thinking maybe some Gojira

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Not dark and depressing enough

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Achilles totally listens to YMCA though

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Ow no

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But kiiiinda fitting

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 2:04 AM

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its

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music

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why would it be anything else if were talking about what kinda music meg listens to

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 2:05 AM

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Meg would listen to evanescence. I refuse to believe otherwise.

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 2:05 AM

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The correct answer to what does she (and all other residents of the Underworld) listens to is Orpheus

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 2:05 AM

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a mitski song also linked in #music for your convenience

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:05 AM

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Hypnos listens to weird meme remixes of popular songs

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And his favourite all-time song is unironically all star by smash mouth

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 2:06 AM

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he listens to meme songs and meme songs only

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Hades probably listens to lady gaga but keeps it a secret from everyone

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Nah, Hades listens to Katy Perry

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 2:06 AM

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zeus listens to lightning bolt, which is a funny and original joke deepfron

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 2:06 AM

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I firmly believe Hades listens to The Black Keys

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Hypnos share's his playlists and it's literally nothing but Space Jam mashups

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 2:06 AM

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jk i think meg would listen to lightning bolt tbh

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Skelly listens to various hip hop

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Skelly strikes me more as a punk rock kinda skeleton

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Nyx listens to the heaviest metal out there

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Eh, he seems too happy to work for the man to be punk rock

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Skelly is a smooth jazz guy and you can't tell me otherwise

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:08 AM

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I think jazz is too pretentious for him

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 2:08 AM

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nyx listens to harsh noise and harsh noise only

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:08 AM

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when he's not on duty you can find him looking over Tartarus and jamming out to Careless Whisper

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 2:08 AM

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what are yall talking about. he's definitely a reggae guy

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:08 AM

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Ok yeah Reggea probably fits best

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Now the million dollar question

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What does Zag actually listen to

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So no Linkin Park memes here

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Painfull way

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Im thinking either classical music, or aggrotech

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Beastie Boys

stray radish Jan 5, 2019, 2:10 AM

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ok but Hypnos would listen to vaporwave, you cant change my mind

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:10 AM

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... Muse

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Zag listens to Muse

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It fits so well

stray radish Jan 5, 2019, 2:10 AM

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omg

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Just no

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Wouldn't it be Orpheus that listens to Muse? Kappa

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Not in a million years

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:11 AM

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.... I was going to make that joke

stray radish Jan 5, 2019, 2:11 AM

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i was thinking that too

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Nah, Hypnos has good taste

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He aint gonna listen to vaporwave

stray radish Jan 5, 2019, 2:11 AM

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but thats the point

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:12 AM

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He only listens to the finest of meme mashups

stray radish Jan 5, 2019, 2:12 AM

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it's just as calming as it is annoying. perfect for Hypnos xD

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:12 AM

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But yeah, Zag is 100% a muse fan

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On the other hand, Orpheus' favourite song is 4'33

stray radish Jan 5, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Sis listens to the rolling stones

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Too meta

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Thats too obvious

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Nah, he listens to grateful dead

stray radish Jan 5, 2019, 2:14 AM

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i just had the most stupid thought about Sis XD

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so obviously im gonna share. ahem.

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Or he listens to the Stone Temple Pilots

stray radish Jan 5, 2019, 2:14 AM

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they see me rollin' ~~they hatin'

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:15 AM

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Nah, thats not what Sis listens to

stray radish Jan 5, 2019, 2:15 AM

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why are we in gameplay

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:15 AM

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Thats Bouldys favourite tune

stray radish Jan 5, 2019, 2:15 AM

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omg u right

pastel jolt Jan 5, 2019, 2:15 AM

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i gave up wondering that a long time ago, risu

stray radish Jan 5, 2019, 2:15 AM

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we should be in like discussion or something

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:15 AM

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~~Because channel distinctions are arbitrary anyway~~

stray radish Jan 5, 2019, 2:15 AM

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pfft xD

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:15 AM

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Tangents are force stronger than any channel

lost rose Jan 5, 2019, 2:15 AM

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i mean they're not, like, that arbitrary, words have meanings

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anyways shall we agree to move to discussion

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Sure

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 2:23 AM

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alright time for a run, which weapon should i use (not bow, not cast only)

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Spear

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 2:23 AM

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special, throw, or melee

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:24 AM

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... special and throw are the same

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But special if you get a good hammer early on

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 2:24 AM

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you have a point 🤔

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spin, throw, melee might be what i meant but

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the world may never know

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Well, special if you get the hammer, spin if you dont

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Always spin

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But because of that, melee only

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No charge

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 2:25 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/olLYzs0.png

Imgur

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it is decided

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:26 AM

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o7 have a good one

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 2:26 AM

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it'll be a decent run it seems https://i.imgur.com/22tShhM.png

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frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:27 AM

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Is a chance that good tho?

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 2:27 AM

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its not bad on spear since you spam it, plus im sure ill get poms or something

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:28 AM

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Its bad, tbh

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Its just a worse version of regular damage up

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 2:29 AM

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its not godlike, but i dont mind it

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:29 AM

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better on spear than most others since you can't use the spin attack

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especially with the attack speed

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:30 AM

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Thats just deflecting from the issue, that being that Athenas boon is better

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:30 AM

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Athena just have big numbers overall

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:31 AM

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arguably

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Like come on +90% on attacks in first room

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:31 AM

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with the spear's normal attack you would be far better off using Zeus' attack buff than Athena's

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the flat damage would scale much faster than a percentage

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:32 AM

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You could make that Monty Python joke about huge .... tracts of land with Athenas numbers

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Yeah, that is technically true

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Though you should be spinning anyway

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:32 AM

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but Frost isn't allowed to spin

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if you are spinning then hell yeah, Athena/Crit dash every time

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:33 AM

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So you could say he is giving the spin the cold shoulder

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Crit dashing... with a spin... ow no

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Btw

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:34 AM

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?

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I'm not sure if you're saying that's bad or too good

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:35 AM

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With a backstabs numbers are crazy

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I just need to fix my hate for a critdash

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:36 AM

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it's way too powerful as-is, yeah

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:36 AM

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As is bow and Worldsplitter though

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And technically shield double-taps

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:36 AM

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but crit dash works too well with everything

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:37 AM

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It gets me into frenzy and I end up feeling sick from dash recovery frames

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 2:37 AM

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"Why get anything else when you could double the damage of every single attack?"

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Crit dash spin is great

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Like hitting a waist-high wall

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I think it's time for a run too

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Wow that was a dumpsterfire

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Why extra chests are so intense?

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:53 AM

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I guess things didnt go so hot

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:58 AM

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I guess I just need to turn up some heat

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Just try not to get Meg fired

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 2:58 AM

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UNOvven you're fired, that was not even good Kappa

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Hah, ninjad

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Also missed the "fyred" pun

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3/10

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Meg gets down in the dumps when she loses

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 2:59 AM

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We need a Vulcan for that

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or it is Roman

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Hepheastos

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Vulcan is the roman version of Hephaestos

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Knew it, just had no knowledge of spelling that in english

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Actually its hephaestus

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Well Heph is not on the horison i think.

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 3:04 AM

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well im back, only ever ended up getting the crit and a smalllllll boost to damage so it took forever

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but hydra down

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so yay

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 3:05 AM

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I imagine we will get Heph at some point

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 3:05 AM

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Are you sure that we Heph to get him?

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 3:05 AM

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dang that hydra was actually 7 minutes wow https://i.imgur.com/MnFMb27.png

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hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 3:06 AM

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Yes, unless hephailed us

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Ok Im disappointed in myself for that pun

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 3:07 AM

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But seriously, having Hephaestus or some sort of work bench/forge/upgrade thing associated with him would be sick

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 3:07 AM

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Wait, if he creates a work bench

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Does that make Hephaestus a bench warmer

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 3:07 AM

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That was a sad attempt 😛

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 3:08 AM

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He is already that

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 3:08 AM

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I think your Hephaestus puns are crippled, UNOvven

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Yeah, Ill probably have to hammer out some better ones

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Though to be fair, I shouldve been sleeping 3 hours ago

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 3:09 AM

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Sleep? Who are you, Hypnos?

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 3:10 AM

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~~Im not that pretty~~

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Hopefully you don't have to be up early shadefear

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It's what, quarter past 4 in Germany?

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Thankfully not

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And yes

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I was going go to sleep 3 hours ago, but then we had interesting topics here

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And puns

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Puns are life, puns are love friendly

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Well, good nyght, wyghtfyre

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 3:21 AM

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G'night UNOvven

celest dagger Jan 5, 2019, 3:33 AM

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You think there’s any possible way there could be multiplayer in the future

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Only if it's a fan-made mod

celest dagger Jan 5, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Ah

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 3:33 AM

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They've said rather unequivocally that this is a single player game

celest dagger Jan 5, 2019, 3:33 AM

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I see

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Thank you for the explanation

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 3:34 AM

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I think it could be cool, though

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But it really wouldn't fit the narrative that they're going for, if that makes sense?

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There are people working on a multiplayer versus mode mod for Pyre, but that's probably less work (though still a lot of work) than making Hades multiplayer since Pyre already includes the framework for opposing teams

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 3:57 AM

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@heavy palm RE: feedback about Orpheus keepsake, I completely agree. From what I've heard from others, the effective range on it is pretty much the edge of your screen too, so the tangible benefits are very low for most attacks

heavy palm Jan 5, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Oh wow! Had no idea it was that far! Just reaffirms my belief that it needs to be reworked somehow.

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:02 AM

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I feel tightening the effect to just outside the spear's base attack range would be useful without being too strong

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so you could only get the effect from ranged attacks or the buffed spear attack range

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 4:03 AM

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At that point it's essentially just a shield/bow specific keepsake though, barring boons that you may or may not get

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How do we feel, in general, about keepsakes that don't have an effect on certain weapons?

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:05 AM

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well if the whole point of the keepsake is "long range"

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it would be kinda dumb to be able to use it with melee attacks

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at least this way it can still be used with range without having to guess at where the enemy is, while still being unusable if you need to get your hands dirty

pastel jolt Jan 5, 2019, 4:07 AM

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it's not like you're going to pick the sword and then go OH BOY LET'S USE SOME RANGED ATTACKS

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so you'd reasonably expect to not use the sword and orpheus's keepsake as it is anyways

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:07 AM

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👆

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Yeah, that's fair

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Does Orpheus' keepsake affect Cast? I think I've only ever used his keepsake once and didn't pay much attention to the damage boost

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:12 AM

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I believe so, it just says "distant foes" so I don't see why not

atomic scaffold Jan 5, 2019, 4:12 AM

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Do bloodless input read? I heard a youtuber mention it, it seems like they charged at curser like 33% of the time, is that what that means?

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:12 AM

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it's hard to crunch numbers when the damage only happens off screen

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 4:13 AM

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No, they don't input read as far as I know

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:13 AM

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they track your movement and dashes during the first half of their attack animations

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 4:13 AM

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The timing/animation is just a bit odd I think

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The Louts do the same thing

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If you wait just a bit longer than you think you should, you can dodge the Bloodless attacks is my experience

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:15 AM

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you can usually dodge everything but the Inferno Bombers by just walking

atomic scaffold Jan 5, 2019, 4:15 AM

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but the louts are much larger and therefor easier to spot and avoid, that makes sense. so bloodless have a longer charge time throwing me off from the lout charge that I've fought for the first 1/2 of the run

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 4:15 AM

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I don't think the wind-up is any longer than the Lout, but they're smaller so maybe it seems less obvious?

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:16 AM

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they're much easier to lose track of in a brawl yeah

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 4:16 AM

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I didn't notice for the longest time, but have any of you noticed how standing in the clouds of smoke in Asphodel actually makes your entire screen blur?

pure ice Jan 5, 2019, 4:17 AM

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yup, its why I spend the majority of my time in Asphodel dashing

heavy palm Jan 5, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Yeah, it’s a cool effect.

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Ditto for asphodel dashing.

ocean slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:18 AM

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dashphodel

heavy palm Jan 5, 2019, 4:18 AM

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The experience in Asphodel needs to be tightened up somehow, but there has been lots of feedback and I’m more than confident in SGG’s ability to follow through.

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Hahahah! Change approved!

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#dashphodel

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 4:19 AM

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I can't believe this is the first time I've come across someone using #dashphodel

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Well played, Hypo

ocean slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:20 AM

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grazie

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speaking of asphodel i just got to it for the first time in a playthrough like 10 mins ago

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all i have to say is, the bow is very good

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Congrats!

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I hope you didn't die immediately, though that's the common outcome

heavy palm Jan 5, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Yes. Bow is where it’s at for Asphodel for sure. Especially if you have the triple-shot.

ocean slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:22 AM

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nah i got a few rooms in but then i couldn't give an ambrosia to artemis in a double boon room so i got flustered and died

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Lol I know I sure did in the room right after

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Yeah trials are a bit weird rn

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Can’t gift, and they don’t comply with the keepsake rules

heavy palm Jan 5, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Wait, does giving ambrosia to the other god in a double boon room keep them from unleashing enemies on you??

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 4:23 AM

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no, you can’t gift

ocean slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:23 AM

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You can't give ambrosia to either

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as well as in the shops

heavy palm Jan 5, 2019, 4:24 AM

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Ah. I see. Makes sense I guess? But gifting ambrosia isn’t doing anything at the moment other than releasing a trinket right?

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 4:24 AM

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mhm

ocean slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:24 AM

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yeah but i don't have all the trinkets and i want them badly lol

heavy palm Jan 5, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Ah. No worries, it’ll happen soon enough, lol.

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 4:25 AM

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You’ll get there! squirtyay

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:26 AM

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I think I was on run 50-something when I finally got the chance to get Poseidon's trinket

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carried around a spare bottle of ambrosia for ages and he would never show up outside trials

heavy palm Jan 5, 2019, 4:26 AM

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There was some really good feedback left about the overall Hades experience recently. It left me comparing Hades to Dead Cells. Each run in Deadcells has you starting from zero, stat wise. Only your gear pool grows. But in Hades, the mirror stats (backstab and dash attack damage and rare/epic boons) leaves it feeling like you can grind/buy your way forward in the game. Not sure how to feel about it.

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Personally I feel like ultimately you don’t have to do that if you want to

pure ice Jan 5, 2019, 4:28 AM

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my take is that I think its good that there's a way to actually finish out the story if you're not so great at the game

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 4:28 AM

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But not everyone is seeking the hardcore, difficult dead cells experience

ocean slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:28 AM

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i like the flexibility of it

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 4:28 AM

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so if you want a challenge, limit yourself

ocean slate Jan 5, 2019, 4:28 AM

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you can "level up" in a sense and increase your stats throughout runs, but you also have the choice to turn them off at any time

heavy palm Jan 5, 2019, 4:29 AM

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True true! Didn’t think of it that way.

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 4:35 AM

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oh my god i didnt complete the content yet. was just going through my codex https://i.imgur.com/6NSnCnF.png

Imgur

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this is...

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A TRAVESTY

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time to fix it

plucky oxide Jan 5, 2019, 5:32 AM

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@heavy palm
Any gameplay loop can be a grind as soon as it's a loop. Dead Cells was a grind for me as well. You had to collect 'darkness' and trade those in for extra potions, holding onto money after runs, and various other ways to speed up progression and keep you moving forward. I won't deny that Hades feels like it has /more/, but to say that other rogue lites don't have this mechanic is incorrect.

heavy palm Jan 5, 2019, 5:38 AM

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@plucky oxide Sorry, didn’t mean to suggest that other rogue lites don’t have the grind, but that Hades has more, as you pointed out, or a mix of rogue lite elements that don’t quite seem to jive together for the best possible experience. That being said, I enjoy Hades much more than Dead Cells and have played Hades much more as well, so my entire point may be moot.

plucky oxide Jan 5, 2019, 5:41 AM

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The gameplay loop isn't just about returning with more darkness. Like rogue games, Hades allows us to take skill and knowledge of the game's inner mechanisms back with us. This is doubly the case, due to it being an action-oriented game.
In WoW, the 'grind' of the gameplay loop becomes a problem when you aren't constantly being asked to learn and challenge yours skills and assumptions of the game. Doing a level 20 zone on your first account back in the hay day is completely different than doing so on your tenth alt.
My favorite mirror upgrade are the dashes and dash damage, as they help to slowly enforce and teach you how to play the game. Yes, the game doesn't give you all the tools at your disposal right from the get go, but it's trying to enforce proper ways to play through upgrades. My least favorite mirror upgrades are definitely those that don't help the player progress skill-wise. Boon+ %, and that sort. But those too, are for what I'd consider 'end game' content (as is). At a certain point, survival becomes efficiency for experienced players, and that's a nice bridge to cross to keep those skilled interested.

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 5:48 AM

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id argue so far hades is one of the least "grindy" roguelites to exist.

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most others have an absolutely redic amount of item unlocks that takes weeks or months depending on rng

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and getting perma-boosts as unlocks is a lot different as well, as the genre usually doesn't give boosts but rather just extra weaponry options instead

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but im sort of in the same boat with not knowing how to feel about perma-boost unlocks

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i typically like to progress because I as a player got better, not because I as a player got enough "boosts"

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but i can understand it, since the target audience includes fans of supergiant's other games, which may not be diehard roguelite fanatics.

heavy palm Jan 5, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Well said, both if you. I completely agree. SGG is in the unenviable position of (presumably) wanting to satisfy people who want to progress purely by becoming a better player while keeping the experience approachable to people who want a more casual experience. Tough line to walk, but not impossible. And this conversation has left me feeling good about how the game is approaching this idea.

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 6:24 AM

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👍

cold cave Jan 5, 2019, 6:53 AM

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does the charon upgrade that gives enemies a chance to drop healing items when killed even work when youre fighting meg?

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it doesnt seem to be doing anything for me

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 6:57 AM

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im not sure bosses drop them when killed

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but the enemies she summons should drop them

cold cave Jan 5, 2019, 6:58 AM

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hmm

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i guess im just unlucky then

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 7:00 AM

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any chance you picked it up and didnt notice?

cold cave Jan 5, 2019, 7:01 AM

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probably not, ive been running around the edge of the room to kite enemies and killing them in the middle. ive seen those coins drop but not a single healing item

primal folio Jan 5, 2019, 7:32 AM

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i got a new laptop so I'm doing some early runs to get darkness and

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i got the most i n c r e d i b l e boon loadout hot damn

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sword build, I've got Passion Dash, Tempest Strike, Empowering Nova, lvl 2 Divine Flourish, and the Myrmidion Bracer and I made it to Meg on like

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my 5th run

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I have only 1 cast, 1 trinket, 0 death defiances, and yet I feel like I can take on Meg

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lmao nvm

cold cave Jan 5, 2019, 7:36 AM

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lol

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damn

primal folio Jan 5, 2019, 7:36 AM

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the 2 second later post is

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really what makes it

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i was at half health which probably didnt help

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but still c r a z y good loadout

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I could oneshot witches with special and then follow up with crit damage on anything with higher health

hollow notch Jan 5, 2019, 7:47 AM

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So there is no cloud save or anything?

lost rose Jan 5, 2019, 7:47 AM

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nope, not currently. if there was, that would be a feature implemented through Epic, not through SGG

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you can move your saves manually by copying the save folder

hollow notch Jan 5, 2019, 7:47 AM

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Ah, I really like those cloud features

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I've had that problem before, with some games

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It's not nice to lose 24 hours of progress, just because you got a new computer...

lost rose Jan 5, 2019, 7:48 AM

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right, well, you can copy the save folder, so it's not like you can't move your saves; it's just slightly more difficult

cold cave Jan 5, 2019, 9:11 AM

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an update on healing items dropping during the meg fight: it does work, but ive only ever seen 1

hollow notch Jan 5, 2019, 9:58 AM

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Is that from the store upgrade?

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slain enemies have 15% chance to drop?

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I've bought that quite a bit

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It seems to proc rarely... or maybe I just pick them up in the confusion...

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Honestly, I prefer the hydralite

rough condor Jan 5, 2019, 9:59 AM

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15% but yeah I sometimes feel that not every 7th mob drops one tbh

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Hydra lite costs 70(?) and the drop one 15 or 20

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So pretty sure Hydralite has to be better 😃

hollow notch Jan 5, 2019, 10:19 AM

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And the hydralite is 100% sure

hollow notch Jan 5, 2019, 10:59 AM

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Second sword kill

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It was really close, I finished at below 20hp and no more lives

little grotto Jan 5, 2019, 12:42 PM

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wow im having quite a ridiculous run

pastel jolt Jan 5, 2019, 12:43 PM

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i'm always conflicted on buying hydralite because it's a constant see-saw between "but skull earring tho" and "but staying alive tho"

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bloody asphodel

little grotto Jan 5, 2019, 12:43 PM

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i was messing around with shieldthrow and aphrodite with voracious flight(bounce increases dmg) and i have noticed several things

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weakness affected brimstones dont deal any dmg to you

lost rose Jan 5, 2019, 12:44 PM

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that...makes sense. it would do 1/2 damage, rounded down

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huh

little grotto Jan 5, 2019, 12:44 PM

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and voracious flight works even if you dont hit an enemy but a wall on first hit

lost rose Jan 5, 2019, 12:44 PM

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oh yeah, i knew about that one. still great

little grotto Jan 5, 2019, 12:44 PM

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i killed Meg with hitting walls and ramping up dmg bouncing on her

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also you know that enemies have a chance of dropping gold right?

lost rose Jan 5, 2019, 12:45 PM

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yep

little grotto Jan 5, 2019, 12:45 PM

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i noticed that the bigger the enemy the more gold they drop

lost rose Jan 5, 2019, 12:46 PM

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oh, huh
that makes sense

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i know that if you have a good loadout and can survive fighting in the timed rooms, it's worth it for the piles of gold

little grotto Jan 5, 2019, 12:46 PM

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and i killed a numbskull and saw a +0 at my gold xdd

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yeah i thought about that, maybe Megs boss room with some broken stuff, like shield throw with a stronger Ares curse dmg and you are just running around infinitely killing enemies

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anyone knows how many room decorations are there?

lost rose Jan 5, 2019, 12:49 PM

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4 - trojan arms, the two posters, and the scrying pool

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only the scrying pool has any function though

little grotto Jan 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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achilles and aphrodite poster right?

lost rose Jan 5, 2019, 12:57 PM

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yep

little grotto Jan 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

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g damn it, i thought there is one more

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then i have been running around uselessly with this pile of gold

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guess i'll just take a swim in the lave

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lava

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 2:21 PM

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I think spear might just be my favorite weapon. The extra long distance upgrade with Athena's deflection boost and its natural stun-lock makes the spear pretty powerful. Made it all the way to the Hydra for the first time...and got killed. What is with its purple needle spam? Not only can they not be deflected with Athena's blessing but also if you don't manage to hide behind the wall in time, they can stunlock and kill you since there are no i-frames between getting hit. It feels rather annoying.

autumn tapir Jan 5, 2019, 2:38 PM

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spear is easily the best weapon IMO

stable oyster Jan 5, 2019, 4:08 PM

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But the mobility of shield is hard to pass up

formal hill Jan 5, 2019, 4:23 PM

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I love the shield special, dislike bullrush, love spear special, dislike the spin

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At least w bullrush you're protected

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With spear spin I don't have boons to make it faster so I feel like a sitting duck

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I know a lot of people talk about dash with loading it but I can't grasp it and it's not comfortable to play/conceptialize

atomic scaffold Jan 5, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Is it correct that ocean's bounty doesn't increase the rewards from the challenge/demon chest thingy?

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 4:46 PM

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I remain surprised how popular shield special is despite how bad it is

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 4:49 PM

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what @hard holly you don't like tickling enemies and having enough time on misses for a short coffee break?

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for shame, coffee breaks are the best

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Rather, enough time to read War and Peace

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Go to the library

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Get the russian version of War and Peace

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And read that

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 4:50 PM

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oh come on now we aren't talking about the extended bow charge time 😏

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Or the slow bull rush

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 4:50 PM

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some nice stuff on the feedback channel, nice

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 4:50 PM

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i might have to fight you on that one, but only because i do a quick bullrush follow up to a dash attack

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to position for backstabs

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 4:51 PM

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No I mean the hammer upgrade that slows down the bullrush

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 4:51 PM

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OH THAT

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i pushed that out of my mind

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.>

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Understandable

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Hey, spin-to-win Spear is pretty good for crowd control once you get the range increase. Just hide behind a pillar, charge, and, well, spin-to-win. Just need to figure out a good Boon to go along with it. Wanted to try Ares out, but all he gives is Curse damage which doesn't really have enough impact.

split flicker Jan 5, 2019, 5:06 PM

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@tender zephyr arent daedalus hammers guaranteed? you only get one per playthrough but i've always gotten one i think

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Are they? I really haven't taken notice.

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 5:07 PM

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curse damage is decent if you get a good roll imo

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 5:07 PM

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You always get the opportunity for one

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You can however finish without a hammer, Im pretty sure

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 5:08 PM

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might lose its value in later floors, but ive had good use from its flat damage

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Hmm, I think I'll start taking note on Hammer spawns then.

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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I’ve gone one run without ever seeing one

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Also, my problem with Curse is simply that it didn't give the Spear special any real omph like say Zeus' lightning would.

turbid needle Jan 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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It would be cool if, later on when there's more levels, we could get multiple hammers per run.

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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I assume it was in a shop I missed

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Would require a rework

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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oh lord imagine a bow with 3x damage AND triple shot

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Hahaha

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Quite a lot of them are incompatible

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Just throw out the incompatible ones

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You only get three options

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Im not sure Bow has enough options

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Fair

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Simple solution: give bow more options

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Honestly I think the hammer needs a rework in general

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As do boons

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Care to tell?

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 5:11 PM

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what if hammer had smaller boosts, but you got one at the end of each floor

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🤔

turbid needle Jan 5, 2019, 5:12 PM

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How are a lot of them incompatible? I can think of a few, like Flurry Blade and World Splitter, but that's it. Surely picking one could just disable the other as a work around?

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Perfect shot and quick shot, trick shot and explosive spear upgrade, the shield toss upgrades, the bull rush upgrades

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And again, not exactly possible since Bow doesnt have enough options

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:13 PM

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No, I meant the ones that say decreases the charging speed of the bow but decreases its attack is incompatible with the one that increases the charging speed of the bow but increases its attack.

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I wouldn't want the hammer to have smaller boosts since one hammer upgrade is game changing.

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 5:14 PM

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i guess it does feel good to find one

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usually

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Your entire playstyle can change depending on the upgrade

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 5:14 PM

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It can

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:14 PM

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It feels good so long as you don't pick a bad upgrade

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shiver Steady Shot

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 5:14 PM

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But even thats iffy since a lot are just upgrades rather than a playstyle change

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And its still fairly minimal

turbid needle Jan 5, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Okay yeah, I see a lot of incompatibilities then. It does make me wonder what is going to happen with end of room rewards later on once they add more floors, especially considering you can already get one of every upgrade type with only 2 floors.

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Id rather have it like in Gungeon where every run feels different

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM

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im guessing changing out the keepsakes is the big end-floor reward

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maybe we'll see more adjustments there

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Mind explaining the Gungeon reference?

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM

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well gungeon has like, a billion guns and they all play differently

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pretty hard to have two runs that feel the same

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unless you play as the bullet ofc

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and just sword slash everything all game

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Basically

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Also various small upgrades that change how your weapons behave

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Synergies that change it more drastically, like turning a HMG into a shotgun

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Stuff like that

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 5:17 PM

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the synergies were a lot of fun

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Yeah, that would add variety, but I don't think having a giant set of weapons is the answer here especially when every weapon is significant both play and lore wise.

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 5:17 PM

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it seems like all the variety is meant to come from boons and keepsakes

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Could go the Binding of Issac route and just make a ton of upgrades

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Oh no, I dont expect a ton of weapons

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Just more ways to make the weapons and their playstyles change

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 5:18 PM

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yeah

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 5:56 PM

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dude. that last feedback. make it hapen

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 6:05 PM

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On one hand, I agree it would be pretty cool, but on the other, I don't want to make Asphodel even more hellish.

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 6:13 PM

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but the flavor

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it'd be so good

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it's not even flavorful, it's just cool

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Hmmm am I just that slow or BigBombers have like no tell on their "I'll jump away and leave you with bombs"-attack and it is there to ruin your life?

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 6:21 PM

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they don't

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but the bombs take a second to explode so that's your window

worn dawn Jan 5, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Dash and hope~~

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Get double or triple dash and run, run, run away

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 6:26 PM

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There is NO HOPE then 2 of them just pop that attack on a river-cruise

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 6:28 PM

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You just have to be more intentional with your dashes on the murderboat, it's quite doable to avoid them

tawdry sleet Jan 5, 2019, 6:36 PM

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thoughts on keeping your obols for the next run if you complete it and defeat Hydra? 🤔

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 6:38 PM

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It’s more than reasonable to get 1000 obols in a run so probably no

tawdry sleet Jan 5, 2019, 6:39 PM

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true true

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just wish there was a nice lil bonus as a reward for completing the run

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Hades congratulates you 👍

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Yes, the approval(?) of your father is all the thanks you should need Kappa

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Maybe in the finished game their will be some tangible reward for finishing a run, but I don't think it makes sense at this stage

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The one thing I would like to see, which I suggested in feedback, is to have the Hydra come back to The House of Hades after you defeat it

nocturne cedar Jan 5, 2019, 6:41 PM

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i cant even get to hydra

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Keep trying, you'll make it eventually squirtnya

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 6:50 PM

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More than reasonable to get 1000 obols
How so? I haven't gotten 1000 obols ever even stacking Hypnos' Keepsake and starting gold.

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Ocean's Bounty is the fast track

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Actively seeking out obol is required though, you won't get that high passively collecting it in my experience

pastel jolt Jan 5, 2019, 6:51 PM

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ooh check out this one with his fancypants obol

forest marsh Jan 5, 2019, 6:53 PM

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I'll be honest, I like the flat version better, but the angled one is what I pulled off of the wiki 🙃

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Admittedly, Oceans Bounty is slightly bugged in obol rooms and is twice as effective as it should be but

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Ah yes, I probably should grab that blessing once in a while.

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 6:59 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/1d6ba0357efa1c1aad3bb35aa11c8d70.png

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It's pretty good yeah

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 7:01 PM

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...
"Heeeeey, Uncle Poseidon! Your favorite nephew is missing out on several years worth-how old is Zag?-of Birthday presents! Mind giving me some of that bounty?"

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Uncle Poseidon is a bro

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probably my favorite god in terms of boon usage too

pastel jolt Jan 5, 2019, 7:02 PM

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tempest strike on bow shadehearts

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Yes

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have you gotten it with Triple Shot yet?

pastel jolt Jan 5, 2019, 7:03 PM

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not yet but hopefully someday

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:03 PM

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it's...delightful

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not only is the knockback multiplied by the number of arrows that hit, but the wall slam damage activates once per arrow

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:31 PM

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i'm really sad, I tried to get a knockback bow run going

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brought poseidon's keepsake, he only showed up twice

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neither one had Tempest Strike

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I'm up to Hydra with nothing but Crit dash and Hide Breaker for damage

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meh, still a clean kill

cold cave Jan 5, 2019, 7:34 PM

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well i just got to hydra for the first time

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:34 PM

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if a bit slow

cold cave Jan 5, 2019, 7:35 PM

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lv3 lightning cast, lv2 artemis dash, and quick shot- one hell of a lucky run

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even all 3 of my death defies

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:35 PM

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best of luck my dude

pastel jolt Jan 5, 2019, 7:35 PM

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nice, nice

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i've found i either get to hdyra with all three defies intact or i don't get to hydra at all and idk what that says about me :'D

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:35 PM

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I won't spoil the fight but one piece of advice

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between phases, pull back and watch him

cold cave Jan 5, 2019, 7:35 PM

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alright

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:35 PM

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he gets rude

cold cave Jan 5, 2019, 7:36 PM

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ill keep that in mind thank you

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:37 PM

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👍

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 7:38 PM

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i should try an oceans bounty run

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:39 PM

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There's my boy

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Triple shot/Epic Tempest Strike

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Fire the bass cannon

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 7:48 PM

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no oceans bounty yet :(

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and im getting slowdowns when ending rooms/picking up rewards

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like. not the intended ones djfhg

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i have a trial or sisyphus.... hmmmm.....

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i still need to give him one more ambrosia but i want those boons

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fun fact if you press E right when ending a trial and youre not next to the boon zag does the little roll he does at the house when you try attacking

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or maybe its the perfect landing animation i dunno

pastel jolt Jan 5, 2019, 7:52 PM

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it's both

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:52 PM

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I've gotten Sunken Treasure 3 times from Poseidon but no Ocean's Bounty

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Uncle pls

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 7:53 PM

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you need more boons mate

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:53 PM

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I'm trying to keep the number of boons low

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 7:53 PM

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YOU NEED TO GO DEEPER

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:53 PM

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only take what I need so Poms actually upgrade what I want

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 7:54 PM

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ok it took 3 boons but i got oceans bounty

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from a shop

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:54 PM

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4

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 7:54 PM

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its a normal one tho

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:54 PM

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4 sunken treasure now

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 7:54 PM

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lol

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 7:55 PM

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can bounty even be not normal?

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 7:55 PM

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yes

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I've gotten it epic a couple times, both of which it started at over 110%

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both times I ended the run with over 1000 unspent obols and about 500 darkness

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 8:07 PM

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oh god

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i took athenas keepsake bc i have no attack boons yet

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but i finally got a boon room and its the boat

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are you kidding me

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 8:08 PM

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oof, I've been there too many times

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and you can't pass it up even if you know it's the boat room because that consumes the keepsake and you'll never find her again

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 8:10 PM

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that's why i never go for boon keepsakes there

rigid trout Jan 5, 2019, 9:07 PM

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-covers ears and hums-

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:12 PM

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just learned that with launching one enemy through another deals damage to the second

rigid trout Jan 5, 2019, 9:21 PM

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yep

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:22 PM

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phew finally finished my non-conversation codex entries

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cant believe i skipped so many coin rooms

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:27 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/58cf93c057fce2179e0b9e541990ea5e.png

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trying to go for a full tank build and I think it worked pretty well

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apparently the health regeneration you get from rallying doesn't take damage resistance into account

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after a certain point you can just take zero damage as long as you're still attacking

pastel jolt Jan 5, 2019, 9:28 PM

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jesus

tawdry sleet Jan 5, 2019, 9:28 PM

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pastel jolt Jan 5, 2019, 9:28 PM

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why do i never get this many boons in a run??

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:28 PM

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I got a lot from shops

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Ocean's Bounty was giving me 300 per obol room, and I got two Trial rooms

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also

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with Shield and an epic Tempest Strike, you get enough knockback to pinball an enemy off a wall so hard they take slam damage from the opposite wall too

rigid trout Jan 5, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Have a nice death. 😉

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:37 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/1bbf8f0beef27bb1df4817bc4ede69a3.png

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First shield win!

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 9:38 PM

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The boat ride before the Hydra is a beef cake wall that kills you if you don't have enough DPS.
Nice.

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How was the sword win though?

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:39 PM

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cheese

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cheese, on top of cheese, with a side of ham

plucky oxide Jan 5, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Sword special I assume

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:40 PM

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World Splitter, Divine Strike, Hunter's Dash, Clean Kill

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:40 PM

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dang nice

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:40 PM

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I was slapping the hydra for 1K

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:40 PM

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you beat me, i wasn't good enough to get 1k on my last run :(
https://i.imgur.com/uV3EK3G.png

Imgur

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996

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but next time @glossy slate , next time ill take you down

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:41 PM

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I think my best hit was somewhere in the region of 1700

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hard to tell because it was triple shot but they were above 550 per arrow

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:42 PM

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come to think of it i dont think ive ever exceeded 1k

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havent really gone out of my way too i suppose

plucky oxide Jan 5, 2019, 9:42 PM

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I've only gotten more than 1k with spear.

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:43 PM

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i MIGHT have been able to that run, but I had to finish my obol codex so i took it over a pom

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rip

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:43 PM

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my entertainment with the game right now boils down to asking myself

errant narwhal Jan 5, 2019, 9:43 PM

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my highest is around 800s with bow

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:43 PM

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"How badly can I break this?"

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:43 PM

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hahaha

plucky oxide Jan 5, 2019, 9:43 PM

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I've been trying to get 10 wins with every weapon, mixing up the boons and trinkets every time.

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:44 PM

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thats mostly what i do

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:44 PM

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on this run it was health and damage resistance paired with as much knockback as humanly possible

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:44 PM

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i just either pick, randomize, or let friends pick for me

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i bet floor2 was hilarious for you then

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:44 PM

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I went on the murder boat

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:44 PM

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so many lava deaths

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 9:44 PM

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I ask that question too...then utterly fail to get the boons I need.

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:45 PM

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one attack got wall slam damage 3 times off the same enemy

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Artemis' keepsake, get her first room, no Hunter's Dash

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:45 PM

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dont really need any particular boons, but slowing the pace down is a shame sometimes

plucky oxide Jan 5, 2019, 9:45 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523743368124301318/530616221326901268/unknown.png

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Poseidon's keepsake, get him first room, no Ocean's Bounty

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:45 PM

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isn't Bounty a t2 boon?

pastel jolt Jan 5, 2019, 9:45 PM

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see my end screen is hilarious because i'm at like 5 hydra kills and they're all bow kills

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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i think my longest hydra was like 7 minutes because i had a spear with no damage

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Jackpot guy over with all those 7s

plucky oxide Jan 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Win streak at 16 right now!

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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grats!

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Nice!

tawdry sleet Jan 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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how are you crazy fools doing sword and shield runs

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whew

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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I'm about the same

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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my approach to sword and shield is probably not popular

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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I can't run sword to save my life, my one win was a fluke

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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They're doable. Just need to play smart and get lucky.

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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world splitter 🔪

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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i usually get an early ares curse to speed up floor 1, and then boost damage

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if i get world splitter its gg without trying

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:47 PM

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shield well

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you can see how I won that

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 9:47 PM

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It's funny that every weapon's slow but strong upgrade is horrible except for the sword.

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:47 PM

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damage resist and zeus revenge

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 9:47 PM

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World splitter is just an hearty chop.

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:47 PM

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thing is the sword upgrade isn't even slow with how fast you can repeatedly spam it

rigid trout Jan 5, 2019, 9:47 PM

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i've gotten farthest with the flurry blade

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:47 PM

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and move while aiming

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world splitter has no downside

tawdry sleet Jan 5, 2019, 9:48 PM

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@plucky oxide any tips for sword and shield?

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:48 PM

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it has one downside

rigid trout Jan 5, 2019, 9:48 PM

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i struggle with world splitter, that split second is crucial for me

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 9:48 PM

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World splitter has a slightly slower start up which means an enemy can interrupt you

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Hunter's Dash needs at least one pom to be completely effective

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for every other attack it's a one point wonder

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Depends on your skill level

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I need level 2, but crazy fast people can chain bow shots and dashes like a champ

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:50 PM

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yeah level 1 is all I need for bow and spear

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level 2 if I'm going for world splitter because that little stab right after you dash usually eats my timer

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 9:52 PM

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I have a question. Does anyone feel like i-frames should be implemented? That way you don't get chain locked into taking massive damage from say Meg's barrage, multiple bombs, or the Hydra's projectiles.

plucky oxide Jan 5, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Shield: retaliation builds. So so so fun. Every god's got their own flavor. Zeus is insane with his retaliation. Aphrodite is a delight. You can also find retaliation boons from different gods on the same run. Almost always take damage reduction hammer, unless you're going for an attack build. Casts are also very enabled with shield.

Sword: sword special is still nuts, and securing a few early boons is nice. Sword flurry never enables my run unless I have Artemis or Zeus. Ares is the best consistent use case, mostly because of how crazy strong the dash poke is for getting in and out.

Take hunters dash every chance you get from Artemis to speed up consistent dps. Artemis > Most, unless build is already set up.

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:52 PM

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I think just shaving a quarter second off the hitstun is enough

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:52 PM

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not with the content we have so far

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:53 PM

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if you want Iframes that's what Athena is for

tawdry sleet Jan 5, 2019, 9:53 PM

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thanks for the tips Pause

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I still don't have a full grasp of what does and doesn't get blocked with shield charge up

plucky oxide Jan 5, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Shield charge blocks damage but still triggers retaliation, but only from the front

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:53 PM

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all projectiles, no beams, melee attacks but only from head-on

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 9:53 PM

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@tawdry sleet linked a sword / shield run down in #self-promotion . would have put it here but that wouldn't feel right

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 9:54 PM

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projectiles seem to be blocked in a full 180 degrees in front of you, but melee attacks seem to be tightend to around 45 degrees

plucky oxide Jan 5, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Pink beams are blocked

tawdry sleet Jan 5, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Hydra darts included?

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 9:57 PM

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oo, ya stream? @ivory dragon

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my boy

plucky oxide Jan 5, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Yes, they will block as well. However, they come at increasingly different angles, meaning they'll curve and hit you from the side.

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The fast volley can block the first few from the array, but you need to dash out to safety after that. Too unsafe.

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 10:09 PM

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I do when I can @still pewter but usually it's my friends on that channel

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 10:25 PM

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I just had

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2 double boon rooms back to back

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both with ares zeus

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wow

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 10:28 PM

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who did you make super mad at you i wonder

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 10:37 PM

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good old uncle zeus

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it's funny how most of the times

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you end up making mad the one that has the boons you're after

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unless they're athena

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you never make athena mad

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 10:38 PM

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what you dont like not being able to hit things?

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🤔

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 10:39 PM

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hitting things is for chumps

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 10:39 PM

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pacifist run or riot

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 10:39 PM

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how are the blue brimstones called?

glossy slate Jan 5, 2019, 10:39 PM

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Voidstones

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 10:39 PM

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ah

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it'd be cool if there were some pacifist options

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it's impossible tho

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 10:40 PM

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Yeah theyre called Voidstones because youd rather a-void them

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 10:40 PM

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I just wanna yoink them right in the lava

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 10:40 PM

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You want to get tossed into the lava?

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 10:40 PM

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MGRR was able to have a pacifist option

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 10:40 PM

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too bad they are flowting.

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Cause puns are how you get tossed into the lava.

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 10:41 PM

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what's mgrr?

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 10:41 PM

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I cant imagine it would be more difficult in this game

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Metal Gear Rising Revengeance

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 10:41 PM

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aah

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 10:41 PM

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The game where you cut everything and everyone

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Wait, what? How did that game have a pacifist mode?

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You had to kill the bosses.

still pewter Jan 5, 2019, 10:41 PM

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I mean, it just can't be done with the current structure of hades

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Well yeah, you had to kill the bosses

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Every other foe could be incapacitated

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Incapacitated or ran by?

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I admit I never finished it, but I don't remember Raiden having a stun sword.

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 10:42 PM

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The wood sword

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 10:43 PM

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Neat

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Also, still trying to get Ocean's Bounty. Is it better to run the Conch or not because every time I get Poseidon he refuses to give my Bounty.

low iris Jan 5, 2019, 10:44 PM

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hello there

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 10:44 PM

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Hello

low iris Jan 5, 2019, 10:44 PM

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i was wondering does ur attack speed depend on how fast u press the button ?

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 10:44 PM

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No

hard holly Jan 5, 2019, 10:44 PM

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Up to a cap

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 10:44 PM

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there are built-in animation speed limits

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 10:44 PM

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There are boons that can affect your attack speed

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 10:45 PM

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you can spam the button to get attacks out as soon as possible if you want

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Well actually upgrades that you can get from the Daedalus hammer.

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If you want a button spamming weapon, go with spear. Shield has one strike, sword has three strikes, but spear has an infinite strike that will keep any non-boss, unarmored enemy stunlocked.

tender zephyr Jan 5, 2019, 11:02 PM

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I finally got Ocean's Bounty...the room before the boat fight. This game taunts me.

ivory dragon Jan 5, 2019, 11:18 PM

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ocean

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boat

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seemslegit

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😄

rigid trout Jan 5, 2019, 11:53 PM

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into the fray once more

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on attempt 90 and not very far.

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Stay away from dumpsterfires

cyan pollen Jan 5, 2019, 11:56 PM

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hey guys, anyone know if I can find a list of all upgradfes?

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upgrades*

frosty pier Jan 5, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Wiki in posted notes has it

cyan pollen Jan 6, 2019, 12:01 AM

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I can't find them

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https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Categories here ?

Hades Wiki

Special:Categories

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glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 12:05 AM

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check the pinned messages in this channel

rigid trout Jan 6, 2019, 12:25 AM

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ehhhh meg kicked my bum back home

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although that was, i think, the first time i got to meg with the bow so

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no offence to her, but aphrodite needs to leave me alone lmao

frosty pier Jan 6, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Yeah Supreme Pink Commander is not that good nowdays

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 12:43 AM

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listen

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Poseidon/Aphrodite shield run

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you win as long as you get Different League and Ocean's Bounty

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minimum 200 health and 50% damage reduction

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on a bad run

rigid trout Jan 6, 2019, 12:45 AM

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on a bow she can heck off

frosty pier Jan 6, 2019, 12:45 AM

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I feel horrible about that Thicc Booya build

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 12:49 AM

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That shield run sounds hilarious

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 12:51 AM

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ugh, I hydra darts and the bloodless keep screwing me over on melee heavy builds ...

tawdry sleet Jan 6, 2019, 1:18 AM

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@ivory dragon out of interest, watching your shield run - why did you go for coin room instead of Pom?

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since you get less coins than a Pom would cost in the shop anyway

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or were you hoping for something else?

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:18 AM

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oh i took coin rooms to complete the codex

tawdry sleet Jan 6, 2019, 1:18 AM

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ahhh

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:18 AM

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if anything, it shows you runs with less power ups

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😄

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normally i never take coin rooms, never seem to be low

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thanks for asking!!

turbid needle Jan 6, 2019, 1:32 AM

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I always die at the hydra somebody wanna cry me a river?

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:32 AM

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how many attempts?

rigid trout Jan 6, 2019, 1:32 AM

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-gestures broadly at the river styx-

turbid needle Jan 6, 2019, 1:32 AM

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10ish

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:33 AM

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you'll get there

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hydra patterns are a bit crazy with the smaller heads

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👍

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:33 AM

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I know what your mistake was

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You hydran out of health

livid tundra Jan 6, 2019, 1:33 AM

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question, why can't you deflect the hydra's lasers, or missles, whatever they are?

turbid needle Jan 6, 2019, 1:34 AM

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You have like no space to chill for a sec if 4 heads are there

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:34 AM

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darn hydra darts, defy everything we've learned up to this point

turbid needle Jan 6, 2019, 1:34 AM

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no you cant deflect them just destroy

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:34 AM

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can you even destroy them?

turbid needle Jan 6, 2019, 1:34 AM

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yes

livid tundra Jan 6, 2019, 1:34 AM

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i tried getting deflect on attack, and it doesn't even destroy them

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Okay, once again attempting to finally win with bow

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Wish me luck!

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:35 AM

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I've had most success with the spear 🤔

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especially with dash-upgrade, that thing becomes a beast

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:35 AM

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I def prefer spear

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But I haven’t won using bow yet

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And I am determineddd

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:36 AM

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for me the bow seems the easiest to win with, but i like all of the weapons

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:36 AM

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Sword is my fav

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Flurry blade is such a joy

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:36 AM

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I just really dislike the Bow special, it seems to have a singular use in destroying/deflecting huge projectile amounts but otherwise there seems to be no point in using it 🤔

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:37 AM

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oh i never use the bow special

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:37 AM

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I’ve got Poseidon buff on it currently

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:37 AM

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just the charge shot

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:37 AM

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It’s nice for giving room to shoot things

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:37 AM

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you're stuck in the endanimation for SO long

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:37 AM

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I got the double projectile upgrade for the special on my last run

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:37 AM

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you can do some goofy one-shot plays with it by getting in the face of an enemy but otherwise meh

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:37 AM

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if only because the other two options absolutely sucked

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it was alright

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Right now I’m attempting Zeus dash strats

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:38 AM

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about 500 damage a cast if I got backstab

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:38 AM

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To have to use as little of the bow as possible

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:38 AM

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bow run... but without the bow :^)

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:38 AM

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😄

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That’s the plan!

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:38 AM

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so a run-run

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:38 AM

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it's just a backup weapon!

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Also have 40% reduced damage from foes

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:38 AM

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bow with either the extra power shot damage or triple shot is basically unstoppable atm

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so much damage its insane

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:38 AM

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To make up for me being terrible

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:38 AM

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I guess you decided to cast out the bow

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:39 AM

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I have triple shot atm

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:39 AM

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here you go stringing people along on your puns again

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:39 AM

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But why shoot when I can run

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Something no american would be caught dead saying

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:39 AM

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triple shot suddenly pushes the bow up to insane levels

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:39 AM

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^

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:39 AM

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But then I have to shoot things

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And I’m bad at that

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Triple shot, Point Blank shot and perfect shot

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:39 AM

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hurr durr, 150+ dmg per LMB click

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good bye monsters

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Bow runs are like parties, always taking shots

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:40 AM

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but ultimately just play whatever's the most fun. my friend wont touch anything but spear

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:40 AM

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I may have to bow out of this discussion, if only because I'm drawing a blank on puns

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:40 AM

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ayyyyyy

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:41 AM

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If that was your best shot, I can see why

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Perhaps you should go back to the drawing board

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:41 AM

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these puns make me quiver with joy

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:41 AM

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anyone found a real use for shieldthrow btw? 🤔

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:41 AM

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yeah

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:41 AM

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I've been out of practice for too long, I can't string together anything good

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:41 AM

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i used it to show the stream audience why i never use it

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Yes, creating a true cast-only run

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:42 AM

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so it has that going for it

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:42 AM

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LMAO

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:42 AM

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there's exactly one use

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Zeus special, double max bounces

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:42 AM

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shocking i know

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:42 AM

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and even then, only if you can get his legendary boon too

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:42 AM

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If you can pull that off

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:42 AM

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it's kind of a real shame, 2/4 specials feel completely pointless

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:42 AM

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You deserve thunderous approach

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Applause

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:43 AM

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and spear-special is also only really good if you get a good upgrade for it

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Whoops

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:43 AM

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rekt

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Anyway, bow special has some use if youre forced to pick the athena upgrade for it

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:43 AM

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I would try a shield special only run, but I need to defend my win streak

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Reflecting all projectiles, while also killing all your frames

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Okay, I have found a problem with my run run

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That problem is lava

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:44 AM

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have you tried not stepping in lava yet?

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:44 AM

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....I wonder if Hypnos mocks you for dying in lava

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:44 AM

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Remember the game "the floor is lava" you played as a kid?

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Well, this time its literal

plush cloud Jan 6, 2019, 1:44 AM

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speaking from experience, he does

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btw, how would you all rate the boons in power from good to bad?

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:46 AM

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You mean the gods?

plush cloud Jan 6, 2019, 1:46 AM

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yea

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Because individual boons are a different thing

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Hunter's Dash > Divine Strike > Tempest Strike > Ocean's Bounty > Different League > Everything Else

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Aphrodite is the only one i feel truly meh about. Poseidon I'd have to see what floor3 onward has to know

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Athena>Artemis>Poseidon>Aphrodite>Zeus>Ares

plush cloud Jan 6, 2019, 1:47 AM

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I agree with dash being #1 though

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:47 AM

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i love ares tbh. im a fan of the curse damage haha

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:47 AM

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I think its bad, and a crutch at best

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:47 AM

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the delay on reactivation doesn't sit right with me

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:48 AM

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doesnt bother me much

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i just view it as a dps increase

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:48 AM

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having to wait a full second before I can activate a second time offends my "All ham all the time" sensibilities

plush cloud Jan 6, 2019, 1:48 AM

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I would rank then Artemis>Athena>Aphrodite>Ares>Zeus >Poseidon

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:48 AM

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I actually really like some poseidon skills

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:48 AM

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poseidon is easily near the top

plush cloud Jan 6, 2019, 1:48 AM

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I like the skills

manic goblet Jan 6, 2019, 1:48 AM

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especially against bloodless near the end

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:49 AM

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well in most of my runs, i use ares on floor 1 a lot. lets me swing once and move on per enemy

plush cloud Jan 6, 2019, 1:49 AM

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i just dont think they are powerful enough

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:49 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/1d6ba0357efa1c1aad3bb35aa11c8d70.png

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Aphro isnt great

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Say that again

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:49 AM

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but its worth noting i dont typically do 1k+ damage broken runs because i find them boring, so thats my bias

plush cloud Jan 6, 2019, 1:49 AM

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ares has 1 skill i think is powerful, which is his curses

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:49 AM

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But her damage is generally still better than Ares

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And she has some good secondary boons

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Nah, Ares only has 2 good things

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Blade Rifts, and the attack and cast damage up boon

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Maybe revenge

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The actual curses are terrible

worn dawn Jan 6, 2019, 1:50 AM

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Update: run run is not going well

plush cloud Jan 6, 2019, 1:50 AM

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it depends on the rarity tbh

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:50 AM

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running out of steam?

hard holly Jan 6, 2019, 1:50 AM

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But its only on the Epic Games Store?

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:50 AM

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How many years has it been since I've seen a common boon?

plush cloud Jan 6, 2019, 1:52 AM

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i like those boons tbh, but i feel like they are more difficult to utilize in the levels i have trouble with

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so i prioritize them less

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:53 AM

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it's entirely possible to win the game with nothing but Poseidon's Tempest Strike

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easy, even

strong hornet Jan 6, 2019, 1:53 AM

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in the double boon rooms where you have to choose between the gods what happens to the displeased god? does the heart thing in the codex go down or is it something else

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:54 AM

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the god you offend buffs the enemies in the room

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:54 AM

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the displeased god buffs the - yeah that gdi @glossy slate

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shakes fist

stray radish Jan 6, 2019, 1:54 AM

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but they dont stay mad for too long

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:54 AM

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no they don't

plush cloud Jan 6, 2019, 1:54 AM

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which god do you think has the hardest buff out of curiosity

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:54 AM

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pick whichever enemy buff doesn't make you want to rip your hair out

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:55 AM

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but yeah literally every run is winnable. boons just help speed up the time to kill or give you more leeway for making mistakes

plush cloud Jan 6, 2019, 1:55 AM

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the speedboost from poseidon always seem to get me

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Athena makes them randomly invincible, Artemis makes them blink into range to attack you

strong hornet Jan 6, 2019, 1:55 AM

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so i guess the enemy buff is based on the god i guess ill figure out what they do aswell as i go

stray radish Jan 6, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Poseidon-buffed enemies in Asphodel were hell

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never again

plush cloud Jan 6, 2019, 1:55 AM

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^

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Poseidon makes them coast around on water at random

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:55 AM

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i prefer poseidon to ares in asphodel

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teleporting bomb touchdowns suck

glossy slate Jan 6, 2019, 1:55 AM

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if you have a revenge boon always pick poseidon to piss off

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the knockback from the water dash counts as an attack but doesn't deal damage, so everything just explodes

strong hornet Jan 6, 2019, 1:56 AM

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just got the game like 1 or 2 hours ago so trying to get as far as i can. 2nd time in asphodel now. been using the bow as ive not had the keys yet for shield and spear to try them out tho :P

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:57 AM

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nice!

stray radish Jan 6, 2019, 1:57 AM

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...i got to Asphodel like 4 times Q.Q

ivory dragon Jan 6, 2019, 1:57 AM

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welcome to hades @strong hornet !!!

stray radish Jan 6, 2019, 1:57 AM

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in uhhh 53 attempts? xD