But ye, sorry I talked about a completely different game on the hades discord for a bit whoops 
#h1-builds-and-combat
analog crystal
slim spoke
banned 
analog crystal
NotLikeThis
analog crystal
Update on changing off of auto aim
I beat meg without losing a life using bow, and it's quite nice knowing that making a mistake is entirely my fault
Zag said coronacht will find you, I think he's throwing shade at how many shots I missed lel
And also, screw pots
They are so hard to hit how did u do it without auto aim and not crying
plucky oxide
Biggest pet peeve:
-kill the bomber as he's jumping-and-spraying bombs everywhere.
-get hit by the bomb as his next wave of death-bombs sprays everywhere
-get hit by those as well
-problem just gets immensely worse when no longer talking about just one bomber clumped up
Didn't dodge the first. No way to not stop the chain after that. 80-20 hp in seconds.
analog crystal
Whoever designed the bombers to drop bombs on death
Is a bad person
Also speaking of chain
Stun-lock on hydra really is nasty
Ik you can predict
But its kinda feelsbadman if you're caught and ur kinda like ffs
also a bad person whoever designed that
slim spoke
I don't mind the bombs on death, I can get used to that, what I can't get used to is them doing that bomb spread every now and then while alive. (denoted by them dumping in the air a little bit and scurrying in place) This usually happens when I'm pinning them in the corner or something and completely destroying them. AFAIK it's based on the damage they take in a span of time, like if >200 dps, use bomb spread. I could get it to happen with +350% dmg on bow up close, smack them with one shot dealing like 195+, and they use their spread.
I've learned to not push my luck on how much damage I can push on them, and instead just backing off every few hits
analog crystal
I mind bombs on death with continuous spawning rooms
And you dash around and get caught by some when you didn't even know they were there
slim spoke
tfw get shut down by the bot for using a very minor "swear" feelsbadman
slim spoke
my message didnt even post, it was instantly removed and the bot told me off
analog crystal
Oh I see
worldly warren
Did you say "ma ton Dia"? That can be pretty offensive
plush blaze
they said the h word π
analog crystal
Snake dusa stop, im actually offended
slim spoke
I kinda wish the hydra heads that spawn didn't instantly use a bit attack. I try and get some early dps and get smacked with a 10 (depending on reduction)
tis even more fun on the 6 head phase when 3 are all on top of you β€
plush blaze
Same with bloodless
analog crystal
I kinda wish that the hydra spawns werent random
plush blaze
They spawn and instantly attack
analog crystal
And that you get 2 of each head in the 6 head stage
slim spoke
oh yeah, like at least fully form before you start lunging
analog crystal
Ive never got 6 lava spewers but i'd hate to imagine
I've got 6 stomp heads Im pretty sure tho
slim spoke
I got 6 stompers last run. kind annoying by I was super tanky so I just dps'd the first 3 down then took my time (sort of) with the last 3
On more than one occasion, with a fire head, 2 slammers, and some spawners on the opposite side, I've totally lost where I am on the map and just dash right over the lava or into the main head
so many effects I can't find myself in the moshpit
analog crystal
Mmm, tis a bit hectic
I saw a suggestion
Of having a clear outline around Zag
Which sounds pretty good
slim spoke
reminds me of the cursor outline from Terraria, makes finding the mouse much easier
analog crystal
What Im scared for
Is that I dont beat hydra every run
And they'll be adding more floors
plush blaze
I usually beat hydra on anything but the sword
analog crystal
Oh really
Im the same but anything but shield haha
I do like how each weapon can suit different people
slim spoke
I used to get the furthest with the shield, now shield feels like my weakest (assuming I can get the slash spam on sword)
plush blaze
I beat the game for the first time with the shield
slim spoke
Spear feels like the awkward child to me rn, the special feels useless (the shield breaker is a nice effect though if you get it)
plush blaze
Dash charge is what makes it good
analog crystal
I dont use that enough tbf
slim spoke
shield was my first win too, but I just used the throw the whole time to sort of cheese the boss
analog crystal
My first win was pre buff sword, and then I did terribly with the sword after buff for a couple runs idk y π
dumb doodoo brain
hoary jewel
I honestly lose track of Zag AND my cursor all the time. It's one reason I will never be really good at games like this. chuckle
slim inlet
2-3 hours trying to get Aphrodite scroll before I'm dead and I was so close but I needed two more coins
whyyyyyyy 
slim spoke
I lucked out and got it pretty early. Purse and a bunch of coin rooms. Poseidon's loot blessing probably helps too if you can get it.
the troves are also a fair source of coin, 60-80 depending on speed and room difficulty
slim inlet
wow thanks
slim spoke
name change? interesting. ik obvious things, but there's only a handful of options for coin unless you wanna farm the meg fight (kill enemies for a few coin each)
raw pendant
so the spear feels really weak compared to the other weapons, unless im missing something, low damage, average special, long wind up on the decent damage attack. Does it have hammer upgrades that make it OK?
slim spoke
hammer has a one that makes the charge time much shorter, basically from trash to viable but still gets interrupted upon you getting hit
there's one that gives more dmg if you hit enemies far away, which was eh from my point of view. I tend to just rock curse dmg for spear
raw pendant
Finally got my first win yay! got an extremely OP Aphrodite special on the sword
knock back and weaken on the special attack is so strong.
slim spoke
I've only landed the "enemies take more dmg when weak" once, wish it showed up more often
raw pendant
I tend to avoid Aries because I don't like most of his stuff, other than the damage over time.
slim spoke
curse and cast are his best picks. If you can get the blade storm size increase it's pretty crazy. I've yet to grab the legendary for it, but I imagine it's insane
sucks enemies into the blade storm, and that thing hits 10+ every .2s or something
raw pendant
wow.
slim spoke
it's also the only cast that doesn't actually get stuck in enemie
-s. it always lands on the ground
though it can also land over lava.. so eh
raw pendant
I love the Zeus and Artemis cast options
both seem extremely strong where if you get them you should pick them over everything else
slim spoke
The homing has annoyed my sometimes, I prefer picking my target myself. Zues/Athena are pretty good to me
raven moon
slim spoke
If only the casts came back to you sooner. Though I think they're looking into some sort of a fix for that
raw pendant
Athenas dodge buff is nuts, also
analog crystal
@raw pendant do you know about dashing while your spin attack is charge up?
On spear
raw pendant
nope
raw pendant
I played it three times and was like "this one is weaker than the others" haha
analog crystal
Especially combined with artemis dash
Which is guaranteed 100 (200 on backstab) AOE dash damage
raw pendant
I do find I end up just damage stacking whatever the best attack I get is
There doesn't seem to be much advantage in diversifying
analog crystal
I would disagree depending on the weapon
due to being able to only get one boon on one type of attack I feel it forces diversity anyways
Most of the time at least
raw pendant
I feel like the fact that some boons are just very strong compared to others means your going to stack your upgrades on it and spam it
analog crystal
Such as?
slim spoke
I think having two or 2 builds for each wep is helpful in increasing your ability to win the run if you don't get your S tier setup in Tartarus
raw pendant
anything that buffs sword special seems to be better than attack buffs for example
slim spoke
IMO Athena has a fairly weak setup, not to mention the flat gold reward that currently exists. I only ever really want the dmg reduction
analog crystal
Imo that's your playstyle lovebug
analog crystal
You might enjoy poseidon for clearing rooms π
And athena can be amazing, depending on how good you are at the timings
slim spoke
once you Flurry Blade you never go back..
analog crystal
And I got the epic gold once for like 350 gold which is a boon and a mino heart if you get a good shop
raw pendant
I think the bow attack speed buff is a downgrade unless you can manage to get some specific boon that counteracts the damage reduction
its a bit dangerous to pick it early on imo
analog crystal
I think the game is balanced well atm, what changes it all is how you prefer to play
But
Thats quite a bold claim haha
Apart from poseidon being not that useful against bosses
neon bobcat
just got zues legendary for the first time and it is so op
slim spoke
who uses the spear special at all? I've yet found a reason to use it for anything other than niche armor killing
and even that is pointless if I have high enough curse
analog crystal
Yeah, I'll give you that
neon bobcat
yeah, hydra small heads would die in like 4-5 auto attacks
raw pendant
I used it because I didn't know you could dash after charging the attack π
so it was a second rate bow
analog crystal
Have you tried it?
neon bobcat
sword with faster attacks and curse is really fun for hydra too
and aphrodite dash if youre doing melee
analog crystal
Just you wait till they add all 12 gods, and 2 new weapons
The balancing hell is yet to begin lel
neon bobcat
or athena dash if you are good at timing it
raw pendant
I dunno, I've only started to consistently beat meg recently.
slim spoke
Every now and then I totally spaghetti the meg fight, taking like 60+ dmg but it's become much less often.
when she does the darkness circle things its like free dmg. Dash away from one, dash into her for dmg the next, and repeat
for the spear her bullet heck move is free dmg since spear destroys the shots
raw pendant
The fact I know there is a heal in the next room means I always play it sloppy and impatient ha
so my current weapon preferences are probably bow->sword->shield->spear
but obviously I don't know how to use the spear so maybe its better than I thought?
slim spoke
when Hades taunts you at the beginning of a run, does that do anything to the run? Like a floor curse from Binding of Isaac?
raw pendant
I did notice what appeared to be a bug that there a lot of surfaces where you don't get wall knockbacks with Poseidon abilities
violet quiver
Bow players - how do you not get overwhelmed by things like lots of Flying Skulls or lots of Big Yellow Fatties That Charge You?
warm oracle
Dash between each shot if you're at risk of getting bopped. Try to position yourself in a way that you'll hit multiple skulls at once, and make sure to prioritize the skull mounds. Dashing between each shot let's you get the bonus damage that the mirror gives after dashing
raw pendant
damn i always make the mistake of pissing off poseidon in the choose favorite rooms
his enemy buff always ends up damaging me
inland current
Anyone else seem to notice that the Hydra's other heads don't have hitboxes on their heads? I was using a bow, and missed 80% of the shots, until I started aiming for the neck.
slim spoke
the hitbox is around the shadow, not the head. It's the same for the crystals and skulls
slim spoke
The hydra has phases, the extra heads that spawn must be killed before the main head is vulnerable again. So, kill everything but keep an eye on the main head when you can because it still attacks you
fickle hull
can someone do me a favor and confirm whether there's cloud saving for this game as of yet?
I just rebuilt and, uh, I don't have a game file
grand patrol
fickle hull
I'd have to plug my old HDD in. Meh, I had intended on restarting at some point. Maybe I'll have better feedback on the new user experience now that I'm thoroughly proficient in the game
Thank you for the information.
vapid mauve
time for some new-file run attempts
best I've done so far is like halfway through Meg fight. I think the fact that I never use sword is the hardest part of the challenge
fleet oracle
not a big fan of how hectic the screen gets, along with how accurate the hydra's pink arrows are, and the fact you cant deflect them. kind of wack that i got my spear throw to upgrade it to do crit damage all the time and 271% damage and deflect on the throw. crazy damage, but the deflect kind of becomes pointless in the second dungeon. maybe im just getting unlucky with the hydra spamming the pink arrow attack, almost ever time i fight it and the amount of brimstone esc enemies im meating, but quite a few of the upgrades seem pointless once you get to the good ol lake of lava
ive learned to pretty much never count on zues for his underwhelming abilities aside from the dash damage, and poseidon for his knockbacks that become pointless when you get to the bosses.
plucky oxide
try zeus' legendary. pretty good, in comparison to some other god's legendaries
swift cloak
for hydra projectile attack... just get behind it lmao
fleet oracle
yeah, lmao not like it dunks you when you get close.
that just plays into how hectic this gets
fleet oracle
imo, they should destync the player a bit more from everything else,
swift cloak
i mean, i have 2 hydra kill on every weapon atm
plucky oxide
can't dunk you during the pink attack. when its roaring, its a good idea to stand behind it, and move away if it starts to slam downwards.
swift cloak
i even find the projectile attack to be quite low, since the hydra can't do anything until all projectiles are shot
fleet oracle
its annoying
swift cloak
jeez, i though u were writing something huge
fleet oracle
nah
i was gonna make a point about how deflecting it woulda been better but that wouldnt fix the attack, itd make it too easy. im no game designer, im not even that great my own hobby of art, but i know that this is the first time ive felt annoyed in the game. up to this point dying has just been nothing but an excuse but try new things and have fun, now its just annoyance at the hydras one attack.
other than that, its a pretty great fight
and again, insane how great athenas over all damage buffs are, it makes the spear a ton more fun
swift cloak
yeah the fight is quite okay (even if sometime it get really messy) but i agree that this attack really annoyed me until i get the strat (and i start paying a close attention to every animation and to what they led)
athena's damage are insane af
plucky oxide
play behind the pink arrows, never play dead center inbetween the two covers. thats how you get stunlocked. you'll get the hang of it. just takes time.
i think they need to introduce pink as un-counterable projectiles earlier in the game, so its not such a frustration at the boss
swift cloak
i think athena's deflect is a must have when in asphodel
fleet oracle
im just sick of losing my chaeracter on screen due to how much of...stuff there is all at once. its just a bit of a mess. its not as big of a problem in the first dungeon, but once you get to apshodel its way too much of a mess
and the deflect is kind auseless. most enemies are just melee and brimstone esc enemies, the few times ive found it neccessery is when the witches spawn across the map, at the same area, behind a wall of more stuff, which just feeds into the point of too many enemis on screen
but its like a turret
just waves of deppression
swift cloak
having a few witch attacking 3x5 bullet, athena's deflect is a good cover
dense holly
not a mess. u're just not used to it
fleet oracle
yep, but you can always just slice thregh em aneway
swift cloak
every time i'm against a witch it's in the middle of lava soooo
fleet oracle
and no, im used to a mess on screen coming from diablo, but diablo had many more options for crowd controll
and yeah, that makes projectile game more important, and kinda renders the sword to be a very meh wapon later on
dense holly
it's like someone who said hydra fight was messy and couldn't follow his character from dashing so much
swift cloak
i don't have any problem with the sword lmao
fleet oracle
ive been able to get through it without losing health, so its no gameplay issue, but the vomit of enemies on screen thaty your character gets stuck BEHIND just hurts
swift cloak
i find it quite fun to use, specially with the no thrust fast attack daedalus hammer upgrade xD
fleet oracle
oof, i have nightmares of no thrust
dense holly
easy, take your time and start assimilating what is happening around you and what you are doing
swift cloak
no thrust ares boon's attack
fleet oracle
poseidon upgrades, spam everything into walls, then reach meg, poseidon doesnt matter, instant regret
swift cloak
yeah poseidon is just useless
fleet oracle
again, i can manage it (until i reach hydra, but thats different).
swift cloak
the only thing i use anymore with poseidon is the loot bonus xD
swift cloak
btw the loot bonus does apply on centaure's heart
dense holly
only survival zones can become too much is asphodel
no real gameplay there. just run around
swift cloak
sometime i entertain myself at spawnkilling enemy when i happen to enter one of those room
fleet oracle
spear so far is my favorite, i hate the bow so much
swift cloak
running is boring if you don't have any dash damage
the bow is way to easy to win with
fleet oracle
So throwing the spear around for over 300 damage is kinda great
swift cloak
triple shot, dash crit boon, something to give damage on attack, then here you go
120x3 at every good shot
plucky oxide
its crazy how different playing hades is with no sound. i didnt realize how much i rely on audio cues for timing and spacing.
swift cloak
(backstab damage ofc)
i don't even listen to hades sound anymore, i'm just listening to the dialog and i listen other music behind
fleet oracle
after a while, i just started having something in background while i play so i still have the audio que as well as a distraction, i tend to get frustrated at a game like this if i dont have something else to focus on
swift cloak
the only thing that succeed at making me fail one of my last 6 run were... the f* cat of my friend
anyway, i'm going to play, i need some ambrosine and a lot of darkness before having no need for them
then cry on the amount increasing while i can't use it look at his 22 key weeellll you'll be used someday cry
fleet oracle
im honestly not a fan of having over 50 keys left unnused instead of recieving buffs for my weapon, more boons please thanls
thanks*
therell be more things added later
swift cloak
yeah but i think the next major update will hopefully have some dump to all those unused resources
fleet oracle
but right now, the keychain is too heavy
time to see how athenas upgrades for the bow works
(more damage, of course)
(all the damage, no damage left unnused, all will suffer)
swift cloak
i think i'll start doing some hades speed run (and in different category like 0 mirror upgrade and stuff like that)
fleet oracle
i just cant wait for the other three rivers to be added to the game
swift cloak
i just want an infinite game mode lmao
cycling in risk of rain was something i had so much fun with
fleet oracle
oh god, how many boons, how much damage can i acquire with athena
shes the best god
swift cloak
or some Greater Rift like system with different modifier and a ladderboard
yeah the damage of athena's is definitly something strong
fleet oracle
its also all she does so its balanced, aside for deflect. other characters have more utility, athena will mostly be used to acquire major damage buffs along with some safety
swift cloak
yup
swift cloak
17 mins :/
next ether
Cool interaction I figured out; with the Spear you can charge up your Spin Attack and then dash into enemies to deal massive damage. Pair that with a good attack upgrade and the dash boon from Artemis and it becomes an instant kill on just about anything pre-Asphodel
jovial mason
Hi everyone. Just purchased the game and planning to play it in a few hours. Is this a good place to provide feedback on the game ? I see that I cannot post on the "feedback" section.
swift cloak
read the feedback rule in #hades-feedback
here you can talk about the game and about the feedback
next ether
Always check the pinned messages in each channel
next ether
Also, about that Spear interaction, I'm currently hitting almost 700 fully charged and one-shotting everything in Asphodel 
radiant grove
Wow
And spear is a little easier than bow so it makes sense you do around 200-300 damage less without triple shot hunter dash and a bunch of attack upgrades
Really cool interaction though π
hollow notch
slim spoke
Spear charge attack (full power) is 100(?) dmg to start, but takes a while to charge w/o the hammer upgrade. With max mirror dash upgrade, you deal double damage right after dashing (0.5s or so). Artemis dash bonus also makes the first hit after dashing a crit, which is 2x dmg. you now deal 400 dmg in that one hit. Another upgrade gives +50% (or more) crit dmg, so 500 or 600 dmg. Backstab could add another 100% to that, though idk if it's additive or multiplicative.
You can usually get the dash upgrade if you get Artemis boon once or twice, it's pretty common. You have a 3/5 chance or something to get the spear charge upgrade from the hammer, and the mirror is the mirror.
Definitely possible, but if you get hit while charging you lose the charge, putting you in a pretty bad spot usually
paper zealot
Wouldn't think the dash upgrade would work for the Spear's charge attack - since you do make a basic attack to charge it up to begin with
fickle stream
It's critical after dash.
And spin happens after dash.
It's incredible way to cheese.
paper zealot
Also
All that damage math isn't including any boons to your attack that could further increase the damage
So that could be far higher
slim spoke
Anyone know if there's a cap on how high of a lvl you can get the boons? My max was 6 or 7 in one run, but getting that many pom's is tough.
When the new areas get added, I can imagine lvl 10 boons being quite fun
100% crit, +50% attack dmg, +200 crit dmg, 300 dmg curse afterwords...
grand cave
I wonder what kind of enemies will spawn in elysium, assuming thatβs the last layer of hell to fight through based on what little I know of Greek mythology
fickle stream
Hydras will be common enemies.
Obviously.
But nah, it wouldn't surprise me if you fought against heroic spirits.
Like Trojan war veterans.
It'd make even more sense with Achilles there.
reef iris
And fight vs Cerberus seems inevitable =\
fickle stream
I guess it might end up zag tearing the house apart
wide hill
Just got past through meg and encountered hydra on the same run
Amd I'm pretty impressed with shield tossing
Do anyone have a build for that?
wide hill
I used Aphrodite's in that run but it didnt seem to work against hydra
It kinda good agaibst meg though
Against*
Also do i have to fight meg again next run?
analog crystal
Meg is 1st floor boss so yepp
You can skip the 2 bombers mini boss though
And the floating island miniboss
analog crystal
I would recommend not going entirely on a shield special build due to in Asphodel it flies off and you're left without it for a time
Mix it up
analog crystal
What counts as traps in Asphodel? Is Athena's boon that reduces trap damage completely useless outside of Tartarus?
errant narwhal
lava
vapid mauve
@slim spoke my record is lvl 9 on a boon, it was bonkers. Most runs I get to 5 or so
neon bough
It is completely useless in Tartarus as well π
vapid mauve
Probably more useful in asphodel, at least if you get enough for immunity to lava. Lots of free space the bloodless can't follow you to
spare scaffold
@vapid mauve aren't you in Mode7 discord as well?
vapid mauve
Yeah
tawdry sleet
I kinda wish the giant brutes with clubs couldn't change attack direction after their wind up
I always feel cheated, but I guess I need to adjust my timing on dodges
and my least favourite encounters are any involving bullet hell esque gameplay combined with a tonne of enemies
hoary jewel
Is the spear's spin attack meant to be interruptible? I assume so, as it happened to me a LOT last night?
stray radish
pretty sure as soon as you take damage, it breaks the focus for it
robust geyser
Yes, but you can dash while charging it, and you can dash through walls.
hoary jewel
I'm horrible at anything requiring "charging" up, so I haven't even tried dashing and charging yet. laugh It's why I am so awful at the bow
vapid mauve
Yeah, charge, dash in and then out immediately for some big safe hits
Personally I mostly just poke things with the spear, but charge dash is legit
stray radish
most of the time i forget the spear even has that spin XD
hoary jewel
Well, I was deliberately trying to use it last night, thus why. Of course, trying to focus on remembering that meant I kept forgetting to use my Cast. π
The one time I really found it useful was when I was able to time it right during the next wave of mobs spawning - dangerous, but I'd put myself right in the midst, and then charge and release right after they spawned.
analog crystal
With artemis dash boon it makes AOE 200 damage with a dash in which is pretty good for most of the run
spare scaffold
I'm very new into the game but honestly outside of the Stygius I don't even touch cast since the other weapons are all ranged
Unless I get a cast buff from say Artemis or Athena
Beaten Meg once so far with the Aegis, Q spam all day every day (got a Ares buff on it)
robust geyser
Cast is 50 damage, it can be worth using in the early game for spear or shield.
spare scaffold
Yeah fair enough
Though with about +50% in backstab damage now the spear can deal as much damage as cast for me (as long as the target is in the retrieval trajectory anyway)
Missing is also much more forgiving since you aren't limited in amount of shots
vapid mauve
Yeah, cast is a nice option but it needs boons to become a main part of your kit
formal hill
Yeah I love Zeus or aretmis on my cast xD
That tracking so I don't have to worry as much
spare scaffold
Zeus on dash
formal hill
Man I had a run RUINED in asphodel last night : (
spare scaffold
Best thing I discovered last run when I was trying out the Coronacht
spare scaffold
wow rip
analog crystal
Sounds like you could use some deflects π
formal hill
Used up all my death defys
analog crystal
They destroy witches
spare scaffold
Yeah that won't do
analog crystal
I mean athena boons
formal hill
I only got Zeus and Artemis lol
spare scaffold
Deflect is Athena's right
errant narwhal
yep
analog crystal
If you struggle with witches try starting with athena
formal hill
Geavi
spare scaffold
Yeah you'd have to pray to RNGesus for that one
formal hill
*yeah
spare scaffold
The most powerful deity in the universe and it isn't Zeus )))
formal hill
Yeah I had a great build, hammer first thing and then whiffed it
I've gotten to the hydra but haven't beaten her yet
spare scaffold
I should start gifting the gods too, but tough to pick on them if Dusa's keepsake is so good
formal hill
Yeah I usually go for uh
Orph's; the "far away = more damage"
BC as a shield person and spear I throw a lot
fickle hull
Honestly for leveling I go for Poseiden's boon and then switch to skull earing at the Asphodel level
formal hill
I switch to earring or feather duster depending on how I feel with my boons
AUTOCORRECT PLS DONT SWIT H THAT N WITH A B THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT.......
Good thing I caught that π
spare scaffold
Yeah Aegis and whatever the spear was named is pretty much all about Q
spare scaffold
Bullrushing is kinda awkward to use though so I don't use that much
formal hill
The only thing that sucks rn is the shield going for a leisurely stroll off screen
spare scaffold
It's a problem in Asphodel for sure which is where the spear shines
formal hill
Yeah I think I typically prefer shield, spear, bow, sword
spare scaffold
But then you can't fire-and-forget like you would with the Aegis
formal hill
Oof I still fire and forget xD
I'll toss the spear and go to fire it again and it comes back and I go "OH"
Man I was doing so good on my last run
%500 damage to armour
spare scaffold
Dang
spare scaffold
Only started the other day so I'm making good progress I guess
formal hill
I think I've gotten to hydra.....3-4 times
And yeah!!!
Tarturus starts being less of a problem and the asphodel comes for ur booty like "oh Hai zag it would be a shame of u used up your death defies"
spare scaffold
Asphodel is like 'I hope you are good at Nuclear Throne or Touhou'
spare scaffold
at least you can either deflect or destroy bullets
Which is where the Stygius shines
lost rose
The sword
spare scaffold
I like calling them by name, beg your pardon =3=
formal hill
I just don't remember them xD
robust geyser
Having completed a few runs, I am left with the impression that special and cast scaling is vastly worse than that of regular attack. Did I just never happen on a build that could use either of these, or are they really undertuned?
woven cradle
This may be more of an issue due to my personal play style (non-stop attack and dashing) but does anyone else feel like the armored enemies are in kind of a weird spot balance wise at the moment? It feels like if I don't luck into a hammer that gives armor penetration, that my run is going to eventually be hampered once I progress far enough. That being said, I have maybe seven hours of playtime in the game, and have only made it out of tartarus once. So my perspective could just be lacking.
analog crystal
I think with armoured enemies a lot of it getting used to that they can retaliate while you're hitting them
woven cradle
rtx, I kind of felt that was as well, but I found that athena's abilities work fairly well with casting and specials .
analog crystal
With normal enemies you can keep constantly hitting them without dodging as they dont attack back
I think once you're used to dodging their attacks it's not as bad
woven cradle
I agree with you to a point, however, if your doing a bow run, armored enemies become the biggest pain imaginable.
Not saying I have an issue with armored enemies, but it feels like aside from sinking more time into encounters with them, you don't have a lot of choices for combatting them.
robust geyser
Are you talking specifically about Louts with the woes of bow?
woven cradle
Louts?
robust geyser
The chubby fellows.
woven cradle
Ah, no those guys are pretty easy to avoid, especially if you have a second dash unlocked
Just, generally speaking.
analog crystal
I've been playing mirrorless and armoured louts end me haha
woven cradle
I could see that, I don't even want to fathmo trying mirrorless at the moment -_-
robust geyser
Personally I find it far easier to deal with armour when using the bow than with any other weapon.
woven cradle
fathom, rather*
robust geyser
Propably mostly because it's easy to get the bow to deal unreasonable amounts of damage.
stray radish
bonus damage to armor on spear is a little broken but i love this upgrade xD
woven cradle
Once again, speaking from limited experience, early game with the bow is alright. But I got into the second area that had lava floors, armored enemies, and armored enemies that grant invincibility to allies.
robust geyser
Yeah, those are really the only problem for Coronacht, but not in an unbalanced way.
rocky whale
they key to that is just stacking damage and using your dash shots to get dash damage
robust geyser
Arrows don't pierce through imprevious enemies.
woven cradle
And at that point I felt like I should try playing with my feet for all the good my hands were doing me.
analog crystal
The only large problem I have is with armoured skull spawners with bow
That are impervious
But that just takes time
robust geyser
Oh, the horror.
woven cradle
Maybe the bow just isn't my weapon then. I might not be patient enough for it.
analog crystal
Mmm, the shield is the worst weapon for me
robust geyser
I did not like it at first, then I suddenly started loving it.
woven cradle
I think for me my lineup is Shiled>spear>sword>bow
analog crystal
I think spear=sword=bow>shield for me haha
woven cradle
Though I don't care a whole lot for the spear's special.
Well, thanks for the ideas all, time to sink another hour or two into it and broaden my horizons.
robust geyser
Shield's special... exists.
analog crystal
Do you go for dark thirst when you choose weapons?
robust geyser
Deals low damage and has a drawback. 
analog crystal
I always go for dark thirst and I find it helps me get used to each weapon more if that helps to broaden ur horizons!
woven cradle
I'll keep it in mind, thanks!
robust geyser
I like the dark thirst mechanic a LOT. It's small in practice, but incentivises using different weapons surprisingly well.
analog crystal
And 10% might not sound like much
But it really adds up
I usually get 100-200 each run so thats an extra 10-20 which is a whole extra darkness room reward
fleet oracle
Welp, i did it, i used the bow and beat the game. I feel...dirty
I mean, 300 DAMAGE PER ATTACK
robust geyser
Appropriate.
fleet oracle
I also won because i didnt use a single death defience and was able to buy a couple
Jokes on you game, i only needed two
robust geyser
Perfect Shot/Point Blank Shot + Hunter's Dash + any attack boon is already unreasonable.
Then you add Sweet Surrender, mirror bonuses, Clean Kill...
I love it, but it should be illegal. 
analog crystal
So if they lowered the % bonus on Daedalus would bow be balanced or too nerfed
keen badger
@woven cradle - I'm probably a little late to the party for this conversation, but I had a disscussion about the armoured enemies a while ago that raised some points you might find interesting RH:
One thing you might have picked up on already but I didn't until someone outright told me - the armoured enemies don't just have more health, they're also imune to having their attack animations interupted,
This heavily disincentivises getting up close and personal with them and makes ranged weapons and attacks subtly better than melee ones
so yeah, they do imbalance the game but not necissarily in the way you may have thought
I'm really curious to see if anyone can come up with a suitable alternative effect that would keep the armoured enemies as a more note worthy challenge than just damage spunges without tipping the balance against melee specialists so much
analog crystal
I would say
Segment their armour total into 5 bars
Whenever a bar is reached the enemy becomes stunned
And increase their attack speed
vapid mauve
I think it's good how they punish certain playstyles and require some playing around. I think they are good
You have to actually dodge and punish instead of stunlocking
analog crystal
Tbh I think that normal enemies shouldnt be able to not attack at all while being damaged
It's kinda just
Spam and win
vapid mauve
Fair but it does still take some skill if there are many enemies
analog crystal
True
Imo I think normal enemies behaviour should be armour atm and remove armour enemies from the game as theyre just time consuming rather than fun and 'champion' enemies are added to the game that have a faster attack speed so its harder to dodge
That'd be too hard to balance tho probably
woven cradle
Back for a moment. As far as armored enemies are concerned, maybe instead of just damage sponges, give them an aura ability? Such as slowing player speed, or making the character take more damage. Though I would probably also limit the number of armored enemies in a given room if this idea was used.
keen badger
Well, I sorta agree that it provides an interesting challenge to think around but I still feel that players trying to find an optimal strategy will inevitably be pulled towards ranged weapons which I think damages the game over all, as it discourages just picking the weapon that suits your playstyle best
even if it's subtle
Perhaps, instead of changing the armoured enemy mechanics at all, they could just introduce a second type of armour or effect that wiould subtly disadvantage ranged players
So, they'd counter balance each other
fleet oracle
they give the melee weapons a bigger boost on destroying armor than they do on ranged
i have only gotten one legendary boon, how do you guys get so lucky with em?
keen badger
Really?, how much so?
robust geyser
The wiki has requirments for them.
analog crystal
I reallllly enjoy artemis legendary boon
woven cradle
If memory serves, I think the spear's special is 500% agains armor?
analog crystal
Its good with a fast hitting weapons
analog crystal
@fleet oracle do you know about boon tiers?
fleet oracle
???
analog crystal
I can explain it now if u have time?
fleet oracle
sure
woven cradle
IF not, feel free to school me.
robust geyser
Tier 1 boons have no requirments, tier 2 require tier 1, tier 3 require tier 2.
fleet oracle
oh, i know that
robust geyser
With some restrictions.
analog crystal
Tier 1 is all your dash, attack, special and cast boons
Tier 2 is boons that build upon the special effect or do something else (EG tier 2 is +70% knock back damage on poseidon)
Tier 3 is a legendary boon
fleet oracle
so i need tier two boons to acquire a legendary
analog crystal
Not quite
Ill explain
Once you get a tier 2 the legendary boon is added to the pool of available boons
So you arent guaranteed to get it
fleet oracle
rng
analog crystal
Pretty much
robust geyser
Well, by the time you get a tier 2 boon, most others will be out of the pool.
analog crystal
The tier 2 boon pool is surprisingly large sometimes haha
robust geyser
You can only have one boon each for attack, special, cast, and dash.
fleet oracle
right, you cant get two different attacks boons at the same time
robust geyser
But you can have multiple vengeance boons.
analog crystal
exactly
Ive not confirmed thats how it is with the boon pool so sorry if im spouting wrong stuff, but thats how it seems from my experience
fleet oracle
ok, o get it, but that doesnt help me woth the fact that every run ive had tier two boons and only got my first legendary today. these are sad times
sad boi hours
analog crystal
I've had centaurs heart as my 1st room item 10 times in a row now
Ive been counting
And crying
I had to ask in chat if they changed it so you couldnt get boons
But
its rng
fleet oracle
ive had darkness in rooms 3 times in a row, and then a key, then a heart, and then finally a boom
im not a fan of how many keys i have
robust geyser
Once got 3 poms in a row.
analog crystal
I have 100 keys stockpiled waiting for the update lol
woven cradle
19 days to make that three-hundred.
fleet oracle
i have over 60 rn
analog crystal
π
keen badger
Don't get me started on keys... T_T
analog crystal
I can't wait for the big update
fleet oracle
same'
analog crystal
Its been a while since i've been excited about a game like this
fleet oracle
i wish i was here for life drinker
woven cradle
Has much been discussed about what's going to be in it?
analog crystal
I think (with some evidence) that 3 new gods will be added
robust geyser
A part of me cannot wait, another part is already composing eulogies for Coronacht.
fleet oracle
i just hate how useless the sword is
analog crystal
I really enjoy the sword lmao
fleet oracle
i want more lore
keen badger
WOOO!! - one more step to the full 12!
fleet oracle
dude, spear is pretty rad. the easiest backstabs ever
the bow is a crime
so much damage
critical dash plus any damage buff
analog crystal
Im running mirrorless atm, and I forgot how for granted I took +100% on backstabs
fleet oracle
with bow i think ill take the 10% per counter dash attack damage
just to stock pile on top of the critical dash
fleet oracle
just use the keepsake for the goddess of the hunt
youll get it in the first 3 chambers
analog crystal
Yeah, I just usually go sniper build with +20% to range enemies
So ive never tried to get it haha
fleet oracle
meh
analog crystal
But i defo will
fleet oracle
so far, 300 with critical dash and athenas attack buff
analog crystal
:0
fleet oracle
and triple shot
almost 200 per arrow
and all those hit on the bosses. so its crazy damage
spare scaffold
Yes, with armoured enemies I gravitated towards ranged weapons pretty quick
You can stunlock unarmoured enemies super easily with the Stygius (even better with the speed increase/no thrust Dadaelus) but you are also putting yourself in far too much harm so it checks out
And then you come across armoured swarms and your best option is rely on Cast and/or hit and run with your sword
Which I haven't quite gotten the hang of yet since you have so little room to kite
fleet oracle
ok, so with crit dash and 100% dash attack, 110 with bow
before boons
i wonder what it is with max backstab as well
analog crystal
I feel like the sword is underutilised just because of the close quarters, it can have some crazy dps
spare scaffold
I do the best with Aegis so far, fire-and-forget special and strong defensive bull rush
fleet oracle
yep
spare scaffold
Meg is kinda punishing for me when I go for sword
spare scaffold
Not a lot of window to score hits and it being primarily sustained DPS is tough
Yeah I'm not very good at this haha
analog crystal
Dw, it just takes time! π
spare scaffold
I can mostly consistently reach Meg at least
analog crystal
Imo most of it is knowing when to attack and when to dodge
Rather than always attacking and being attacked in return
feral flower
I've had a lot of success just running in circles around the perimeter of her room and casting at her as she follows me, if I have no other ranged attack. It can take a long time, but it's fairly safe.
spare scaffold
armoured lout swarms and armoured skull swarms are the bane of my existence
Or just skull swarms in general
analog crystal
Which weapon do you prefer?
spare scaffold
Aegis
Which helps a lot with aforementioned swarms with the bull rush
Or I can kite them with my special
spare scaffold
Ay
analog crystal
But dont get greedy is the advice id give i guess
spare scaffold
Hypnos does give good advice if you get killed by something haha
spare scaffold
Most of my deaths would probably from using sword and being in too deep
But I want to git gud with the sword >;o
spare scaffold
Spear and bow are also fun stuff but the latter is super tough to use without upgrades
analog crystal
Or poseidon special, I had that and +200% damage and range on special and decimated everything
spare scaffold
I managed to get to Meg with the bow but died soon after
Seems like game adjusts enemy amount based on weapon which is nice
imagine 5 armoured louts or thugs when using a bow lmao
analog crystal
Oh really? I never noticed that lol
spare scaffold
Feels like you get less enemy with the bow
analog crystal
Armoured louts when using bow is my bane
spare scaffold
Frankly I would like the bow to have an extra 10 damage when supercharged but that's just me being noob
analog crystal
I think that the delay after using the bow special is a bit too long
it really deters you using it
spare scaffold
Sounds like people can get godlike potential from the bow so ye
And yes special is so weak at start I just don't use it
Nor even upgrade it because as you said, delay
analog crystal
It'd be viable if it was reduced slightly I think
But idk if that'd make the bow OP as a whole
spare scaffold
I've tried all weapons at least once so I guess I'm maining Aegis now
See if I can get to the end of Aspholde
I guess the third and final stage is Elysium and it won't be available until release?
analog crystal
There's four parts of the underworld I believe
And It'll probably come in future updates
its early access not a demo sort of thing
Gl on your run!
spare scaffold
ay thanks
I wonder if Elysium enemies are going to look like something from Bayonetta
analog crystal
It's like
Where the people who were associated with gods go to in the underworld I think
fleet oracle
meg just died to my build in a min.
135% athena attack bonus, 100% dash attack bonus, critical attack bonus
spare scaffold
wew
spare scaffold
The Gang dies before reaching Hydra
calm sable
α( α )α
analog crystal
Meg takes a whillle
I would like to shout out this reddit post as I really like the idea behind it
robust geyser
Greek mythology has multiple conflicting sources on many matters.
In earlier sources, Elysium was "reserved" for relatives of the gods and legendary heroes, but in later ones it was, if I remember correctly, basically the same as Heaven in abrahamic religions.
spare scaffold
I also have never heard of Zagreus until this game
And a cursory google tells me he's either the same as Hades or someone else that isn't the Prince
robust geyser
Let's move this to #h1-story-discussion , shall we?
spare scaffold
Ah I should avoid going further myself, have only met the musician for a bit lol
keen badger
@spare scaffold - He's a very minor God who frequently gets conflated with more prominent ones, including Dionysus and Hades himself
steady gorge
oh boy, double boon room twice in a row
fleet oracle
i just acquired a 146% damage bonus to all critical attacks
there is no stopping my build
analog crystal
5 armoured louts
fleet oracle
one shot
robust geyser
L O U T S
fleet oracle
so far its this. critical dash, 100% attack bonus to dash attacks. 155% bonus damage to my main attack from athena, and a 146% bonus to all critical attacks against armor
along with tripple shot
i just wish there was more of the game unlocked just so i could see what kind of numbers id acquire
analog crystal
20 armoured louts and a hydra
analog crystal
Whoever gave bow piercing was a great design choice even if its op
fleet oracle
i just want to see how much dialougue ill unlock
spare scaffold
I do like the bow but my last run was kinda unlucky with boons so it came out rather inadequate against meg
analog crystal
Bow struggled so much with more than 2 enemies lol
vapid mauve
agreed, it could use some nerfs in other aspects, but the piercing is really good for it
analog crystal
Before they buffed it the bow didnt have natural piercing
fleet oracle
i do think a lot of its attacks sinyrgizes too much with itself
steady gorge
it's kinda sad but currently the balance of boons and weapons is quite bad. e.g. bow is OP and hunter dash is the only dash worth a damn
fleet oracle
like, remove the critical dash upgrade and replace it with something els
analog crystal
@steady gorge I disagree with that
fleet oracle
zues dash isnt bad and is a good way to combow with melee weapons
analog crystal
I think that the dash boons are all OP in their own right
The ares dash can be insane
Game carrying
robust geyser
Artemis dash.
fleet oracle
oof
robust geyser
All that needs to be said about Artemis dash is Artemis Dash.
analog crystal
Have you got the boon that increases the size of the blade rift
spare scaffold
Deflecting dash right
spare scaffold
Wait no Athena is deflecting
vapid mauve
I can dig the athena dash, but it feels real weird at first
robust geyser
Artemis guarantees crits.
analog crystal
Artemis is OP
spare scaffold
Criticals
analog crystal
But idk how you'd make it not
robust geyser
Yeah, it's ludicrously good.
vapid mauve
artemis dash is sick with bow, and some other builds. Doesn't do me much good with my normal spear play though
analog crystal
Maybe after dashing, every attack has a x% chance to crit
spare scaffold
Criticals are always fun times
analog crystal
ARTEMIS IS INSANE ON SPEAR
fleet oracle
unless with sword, artemis dahs attack with sword isnt all that great
analog crystal
It works with the spear charge dash combo
fleet oracle
artemis is the most powerful on bows
analog crystal
To give 200 damage AoE
vapid mauve
I didnt say it's bad with spear, I said it doesnt do me much good
spare scaffold
Fitting, she's the goddess of hunt
robust geyser
My problem with Artemis in general is that if you have the dash, you don't need either the attack or special boons.
fleet oracle
yes you do
analog crystal
Ive never opted an artemis cast set up but I reckon that'd be fun
robust geyser
Unless you're masochistic enough to be playing a bow special build.
fleet oracle
the critical only amplifies the multiplier, yous till need more attack from athena or ares overall attack buff
steady gorge
ive tried bow special build once
analog crystal
If you play bow special hats off to you
steady gorge
it was terrible
all because I had Daedalus hammer upgrade that gives 100% more arrows to special
fleet oracle
the artemis extra critical damage is only for shield
steady gorge
tried to do something with that
robust geyser
I tried, but hydra just stunlocks you.
steady gorge
failed horribly π
vapid mauve
bow special with double shots and a pom'd zeus boon could probly hit absurd damage, that's a lot of setup to hope for and it would still be risky to use
robust geyser
@fleet oracle I'm sorry, I meant specifically that you don't need Artemis's attack or special boons.
analog crystal
Bow special is fine, but once you use it you are almost guaranteed to take damage
fleet oracle
yep
vapid mauve
bow special with epic poseidon is fun if you just want to make every enemy be not near you anymore
spare scaffold
Oh right, Q: is Hades dependent on specific builds or you can usually wing it and win provided sufficient, average skills?
fleet oracle
and yeah, rtx, its really the dash that artemis grants that you want, unles youre sword, just dont bother with the dash crit on sword
but poseidon is saddly pointless on bosse
s
analog crystal
@spare scaffold I never run specific builds and I've beaten hydra 20 times now
robust geyser
Aphrodite's other boons at least apply a damage increase even if having multiple sources of weakness is largely redundant.
vapid mauve
@spare scaffold I could probably win every run with spear and maybe bow, not the other weapons but that might just be because I'm worse with them
fleet oracle
having the artemis weaken also apply damage against is always nice
analog crystal
I let rng take the wheel but sometimes that really gives you weak runs
fleet oracle
the only weak runs i have with is the sword. it has fewer synergies that work as well as other weapons
vapid mauve
I have a hard time with both the sword and the shield
robust geyser
There are definitely things that synergise well and things that have no synergy whatsoever.
spare scaffold
I had played Synthetik which allowed for a lot of flexibility in builds (also my entry to roguelite proper hah)
fleet oracle
honestly, sword is more tool than damage. having many different attacks on sword allows you to be a swiss army knife of good at everything, great at nothing
analog crystal
I would love if you get 2 boons that they can have synergy and form 1 better boon, making a boon tree
vapid mauve
hades has flexibility and you can make up for bad builds with skill, but there also is a huge difference in power between a good and a bad build
fleet oracle
zues's upgrades and ares are best for swords
robust geyser
Sword basic attack just does butt for damage tbh.
analog crystal
Sword basic attack is good if you finish the combo
fleet oracle
its the stab you want with it
robust geyser
Unless you have world breaker... then BOI.
spare scaffold
I actually don't like the sword chop upgrade
fleet oracle
even the 2nd attack is mostly what you want
vapid mauve
chop chop, I love it
spare scaffold
Good damage but the thrust is super handy for wall smashing
fleet oracle
yep
analog crystal
With sword its great to dash attack attack attack etc
vapid mauve
flurry blade is also good though
robust geyser
That reminds me, that just me or are Daedalus Hammer upgrades on the sword and bow far better than those of shield and spear?
fleet oracle
and you dont need poseidon for it, so its very versatile
spare scaffold
And also deleting projectiles or deflecting
analog crystal
Spear has some good upgrades
vapid mauve
spear +range is really good, the others are a bit weaker
analog crystal
I dont like the shield ones
vapid mauve
armor break on spear can be good too
robust geyser
Well, except that one sword upgrade that makes you dash with special, that's just bad.
fleet oracle
the always crit damage throw on spear is a fantastic upgrade on hammer
fleet oracle
sword has the weakest upgrades on hammer, imo
vapid mauve
spin charge speed is nice if thats your playstyle
fleet oracle
or overall
spare scaffold
Dash attack always crit is a good one
latent root
Maan i just defeated hydra
robust geyser
Good job!
analog crystal
Which weapon?
fleet oracle
sword only does 10 damage on its dash/first strike
vapid mauve
overall I'd say spear upgrades are good but the ones you get might not match your style
analog crystal
Ooo nice!
robust geyser
Ohh.
analog crystal
Lolll
spare scaffold
Oof
vapid mauve
owned
fleet oracle
rekt
latent root
third phase was only these heads that slam to the down
spare scaffold
Good to know
vapid mauve
grats gludek
spare scaffold
Anyway, 10 damage is so low that dash attack meta upgrades don't do much until you get dash attack crits
analog crystal
10 damage is low, but its the follow up attacks that matter
latent root
but that after this i would consider a ... move
fleet oracle
ive managed to kill hydra in mere minuits with bow and spear
spare scaffold
Also congrats @latent root can't wait to be there one day
robust geyser
I find it difficult to aim the sword dash attack.
turbid needle
language
spare scaffold
ye ye I know >.>
latent root
@spare scaffold you need to be lucky
fleet oracle
sword has just the weakest kit, thats really it
analog crystal
Stop ripping on sword its my baby hahaha
fleet oracle
granted, its the forst weapon you acquire, it shoult still be buffed
spare scaffold
Sword special lmao
fleet oracle
not my fault that sword is made of butter
analog crystal
Tbf the sword used to be worse
spare scaffold
Now that's one is ehhhh
analog crystal
It didn't used to have the combo
latent root
yeah, sword is bad
steady gorge
what are the good boons for shield then? I was thinking poseidon attack as it makes knockback really strong
analog crystal
It was a set 10 damage per hit
vapid mauve
I've heard good things about sword special builds
spare scaffold
I only find it useful dealing with numbskulls
latent root
and shield is kinda OP
steady gorge
but I havent used shield that much
vapid mauve
need boons / hammer upgrades for it though I imagine
fleet oracle
ares on shield is fantastic for crowds and bosses alike
spare scaffold
Ares special on shield mlem
steady gorge
im farming darkness with bow cause with that weapon I can kill hydra reliably
spare scaffold
It adds like 40ish damage per hit
fleet oracle
athena is a good overall damage for any weapon
latent root
also i think that meg should be harder while hydra maybe a bit easier
spare scaffold
pls no
fleet oracle
no
spare scaffold
I struggle with meg already
latent root
it's suuper big jump in difficulty
fleet oracle
meg is a good first boss
latent root
how? o.O
analog crystal
I would reccomend going dark thirst @steady gorge it gives you more darkness and also a better repertoire with weapons
spare scaffold
Gotta think of your lower skill players man
steady gorge
I don't like shield special that much - sometimes it disappears for few seconds and there is no way i can fight
fleet oracle
meg introduces you to many machenics that appear in the next level
latent root
I mean meg is enjoyable, but it's just hit &run
fleet oracle
hit and run? i just stay away and throw stuff at her
analog crystal
Meg needs less health and more diverse combat I think
latent root
depends on weapon but yeah
steady gorge
@analog crystal dark thirst? Sorry, I don't have a good memory for in-game names π
fleet oracle
she's just a decent boss. she's the sword of the bosses
spare scaffold
@latent root aren't you doing that in the entirety of stage one already
analog crystal
@steady gorge its the dark swirling around a weapon when you choose from the lobby, it gives 10% extra darkness
latent root
well stage one is super easy though for me
you just need to stay away, but hydra is annoying since you are being attacked from few sides
steady gorge
oh, that thing!
spare scaffold
It's hard enough for new comers
fleet oracle
i just cant wait to have a 200% buff with athenas on my bow for that over 500 damage per shot on boss
fleet oracle
im almost at hydra with my current build and i just paused to chat it up in here
analog crystal
You get used to bombers after doing Asphodel for a while
latent root
yeah
fleet oracle
yeah, bombers are kinda easy, tbh. just another hit and run enemy
latent root
but i still don't like them ;d
steady gorge
I prefer Aphrodite buff for attack as far as damage boosts go. It doesnt increase damage that much IFRK but the weak effect is really nice
analog crystal
Aphrodite used to be insnae
spare scaffold
Yeah bombers are ridiculously tanky
fleet oracle
for the spear, damage on throw, and poseidon on atack, vice versa for the sword
fleet oracle
on bow, poseidon is unneaded aside form the loot drops
latent root
i feel it should have maybe bigger range
fleet oracle
on bow, the best upgrades are from artemis and athena combined
no, its range is fine and cn be upgraded with hammer
latent root
i love boons from artemis and ares on cast
3 casts in one are op
also epic rift β€
fleet oracle
i just want the legendary form zues
latent root
yeah
fleet oracle
i have yet to acquire it
fleet oracle
so far i just had acquired the legendary from artemis
latent root
hmmm
fleet oracle
artemis legendary just gives your attack a free projectile that howns on enemy thats attacked for the starting damage of 15
steady gorge
I think I got legendary effects from every god besides ares
fleet oracle
i do
i love playing around with builds and machenics
ok, welp, imma obliterate the hydra now, ttyl
analog crystal
The zues legendary is like a guaranteed win
night storm
is it intended that after you open the chest, you can leave the combat by going to the next room?
fleet oracle
no, thats too much planning for a game like this
steady gorge
nah, you can still get boons pretty reliably
vapid mauve
I dont think so Geri, but ive actually never tried that
steady gorge
I don't remember a run where I hadn't use artemis dash boon
latent root
btw you can't enter these rooms atm in house of hades on the right?
robust geyser
Keepsakes, planning Charon shop vists, etc.
fleet oracle
with the keepsakes, i was able to grab my favorite artemis and athena buffs every run for my bow, so there is some reliability in the rng
steady gorge
on the other hand I haven't got a hammer upgrade for Bow's power shot in like 10 runs :/
latent root
i'm gonna now try bow run
steady gorge
tripple is also fine but if you can time your shots reliably then power shot is so much better
then there are upgrades for dmg vs distant/close enemies - those are my 3rd choice if there is nothing better
latent root
btw i can't write in hades-feedback
pastel jolt
read the pinned messages
analog crystal
^
spare scaffold
Oof
fleet oracle
Bow is extremely op
latent root
hmmm, should i take powershot upgrade, or dmg vs distant or close enemies?
analog crystal
How reliably do you get powershot
fleet oracle
Power shot will leave you open, so decide
latent root
well i don't often play with bow
steady gorge
i know that it doesnt matter much but which cast boon is best in your eyes for bow build? @fleet oracle
fleet oracle
I would rely on triple shot more
analog crystal
Oh is power shot 300% damage but longer charge?
robust geyser
Perfect shot is amazing.
latent root
only 250%
robust geyser
450+ damage hits, oof.
fleet oracle
Honestly, artemis or athena for protection
latent root
i'd send ss but i cant here
steady gorge
yeah, sometimes I use cast with bow build. I was thinking zeus
cause the bouncing makes money chests so quick to clear
fleet oracle
Zues is ok, id go with aphrodite and try to get her more attack damage against weak enemis
steady gorge
well, I already use aphro for attack boon
steady gorge
yeah, I don't like athena π
fleet oracle
She gives the most straight up damage
I got a 177% damage buff from her alone by the end of the run
steady gorge
not sure what's my best but aphro also has a boon that increases damage vs enemies with weak status
steady gorge
while athena doesnt really have tier 2/3 boons to increase damage even more
latent root
should i get epic on cast or common on attack from athena? ( i have athena keepsake)
fleet oracle
Oof
Bad luck
I usually get an 80% plus buff from her at least
The cast is good for the immediate damage but investing into attack for long term could help later on much more
latent root
i have only 11% rare boost from darkness
fleet oracle
I use 20% epic
steady gorge
0% on rare, 25% on epic π
fleet oracle
Dame
Same
And then i have 100% on backstabs and dash attack for that artemis dash combo with athenas attack.
And the rest is in death defience and dash
Im trying to level up the rare alongside my epic now
analog crystal
Rare caps at 50% if you're wondering
latent root
i haven't focused on collecting darkness
analog crystal
And epic at 25%
steady gorge
I think i have 1 update in death defiance and backstab is 90% or something. I will finish backstab first and then I will slowly grind the rest
fleet oracle
im thinkinf of ding a zues sword/spear run to see how much chain damage i can get
along with zues klegendary
latent root
how do you get legendary?
analog crystal
I think you'll need around 8k darkness to max everything
steady gorge
ok, ares legendary before meg xD
analog crystal
@latent root do you know about boon tiers
analog crystal
Legendaries are tier 3
latent root
do you unlock it or it's pure luck?