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#h1-builds-and-combat
fiery iron
wooden copper
I tried it with Athena deflect. It's alright, survivability went up a bit.
ocean vortex
and then get eaten alive because it does 50 damage, doesn't have significant push on armored enemies, and has laggy recovery
wooden copper
didn't do much damage though
whole totem
you can dash a million times with the sword dash boon. There is a bug associated with it. If you press your special button very lightly, you only dash and the super doesnt come out
ocean vortex
weird
whole totem
try it without the boon, the screen shakes and you dont get the special
ocean vortex
I use keyboard though, so the button is either clicked or it's not
whole totem
i think you have to click it fast or something
ocean vortex
Sword special could use buffs in my opinion - but maybe I'm just using it wrong
tight bridge
i got athena with it and it did quite well for me
whole totem
the only buff i want for sword special is a shorter time where I can dash after using the special
right now after I use the special I have to sit there for a billion years before I can start dashing
ocean vortex
The only way I found to make it work is to get the radius + damage buff from hammer, and upgrade with poseidon
To yeet all enemies in a 3 mile radius
Damage is unimpressive for how slow it is, but the knockback is fun
whole totem
yeah with the poseidon upgrade I used it in asphodel to push enemies into the lava
but yeah the damage is definitely unimpressive
i mean just look at spear charge attack
it deals 100
and you can dash right after using it
ocean vortex
And that's base damage lol
ocean vortex
So which god has the highest % attack buff right now?
Cuz I know that Aphrodite was nerfed, rightfully so
fiery iron
it's pinned
fiery iron
as with any wiki, it's updated by the community, so go find the answer yourself and update it
worn fulcrum
Athena, then Poseidon, then Aphrodite
ocean vortex
Thanks @worn fulcrum
uneven shuttle
Yeah, I was updating boon values on the wiki up until patch 4, but I've been away for a bit. If you want to update boon data, you'll want to look at scripts/TraitData.lua, game/weapons/PlayerWeapons.xml , and game/text/HelpText.en.xml. HelpText should give you the trait name associated with the boon, TraitData defines the boons' effects, and for many boons there's an associated weapon or projectile in PlayerWeapons.
(Going off memory for the file locations here, for the record)
There's also LootData and a couple other scripts for some things, but the above files should cover 95% of things
pastel jolt
oooooh, now i really can't decide...... pom or more boons......
hard holly
Probably pom?
Unfortunately Aphros blessings arent great right now
And you already have a special upgrade, so there isnt much you can gain from her thats useful
pastel jolt
i went for the double boons bc i'm just Having Some Fun
finished meg with 1 health left but no death defies used
pastel jolt
sweet surrender and storm lightning
so more damage vs. weak and more chain lightning bounces
hard holly
Well, suppose that is good
pastel jolt
i'm about to face the hydra now so this build can't be TOO bad :V
only the second time i've ever reached it, wish me luck
hard holly
Good luck
pastel jolt
how come the hydra's groundpound can hit me through the barrier, but my special can't hit it through the barrier? :/ this is going to be a LOT of dashing
nope, died
got it to about 50% but i just couldn't get the sword special off often enough to do enough damage
lost rose
yeah, the sword special is kinda notoriously wonky with walls. for some reason, barriers block the shockwave even though they don't look like they should :/
latent locust
I FINALLY BEAT MEG (I know, I'm bad at these games, but I'm excited anyway)
pastel jolt
i love when i buy the yarn of ariadne and then only ever get poms of power
or other non-boon things
like COME ON
primal folio
rrrrrip
primal folio
god wish me luck everybody im trying another Meg fight
i got super lucky with my drops so I'm hopeful
latent locust
Good luck!
primal folio
I got a defensive aura and a lvl 2 Different League so I'm taking 56% less damage
and both of my death defiances are up
latent locust
(And if it was me you were asking about strat, I dunno. I'm not actually good at this game. I think it was mostly the Ares dash.)
pastel jolt
aaaand i died to hydra AGAIN, this time because i couldn't work out where zag was
primal folio
oh I'm mostly rocking athena's basic buff and aphrodite
gonna rely on stalling meg out with my damage resist+weakenings
plus I've got an eye of lamia up so it's possible her monsters will drop potions
im just going for the long out-sustain fight
wish me luck!
AND ITS FROZEN
mossy prairieBOT
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primal folio
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pastel jolt
rip
primal folio
literally my best possible RNG loadout
i was taking 3 damage from her hits and now it froze
take two here we go
welp i got the autosave sign before the meg fight but restarting the game took me back to the weapons room
rrrrrrrrip
pastel jolt
that's intended
if you try and quit a run when you've taken damage in a room, it'll send you back to the house of hades with progrress on that run lost
it.... even tells you that that's what will happen when you try to quit
you can only save your progress when you've finished the room you're in
primal folio
yea thats fair i just wish the lil sign didnt show up during the intro dialogue
plush blaze
Which is fun when a witch gets stuck in asphodel and you lose a whole run
primal folio
welp im going in for a rematch, this time, somehow with only Athena boons?
short run before i ran into meg so wish me luck again
i got mostly poms so anything i did get i got it strong
obtuse merlin
I don't seem to get any bonus from quick temper on dash spin with spear
I guess that would be OP ?
but unintuitive
obtuse merlin
I guess there is still interesting synergies with other dash artemis based builds
might try that blade + dash artemis + 100% quick temper (+ chop maybe?)
fast urchin
How in the world do I beat Meg?
errant narwhal
carefully
get a couple hits in, dash away when she settles on a direction to dash in, get her again, repeat
run far away/deflect/block when she does her big projectile attack
clear the wretches she summons asap
autumn yarrow
she has a dash attack, close range aoe, big projectiles, and aoe damage around you
in the first phase, she will only use the dash attack and close range, you typically want to dodge away at an angle to dodge the dash attack, but keep it tight so you can quickly attack her when it ends
by being near her, she will intiate the close range aoe, you want to listen for the sound effect and dodge away. Although you can go back in, recognize she will always follow up with a dash attack and it happens faster than the other ones
There are damage thresholds where she will go impervious, and you want to be careful still because her animations can be weird.
In the future phases, she will start adding in those other attacks, I do not know of a clear pattern yet, but dodging the circles and hitting her should be pretty intuitive.
If she decides to do the projectile barrage, you want to be a little farther away and try walking to the side little by little instead of panic dashing, that can make it harder to avoid the projectiles.
I want to say she will at some point in the 3rd phase just run away to the center of the stage to summon tons of mobs
obtuse merlin
it really helps if you invest in extra dash on the mirror
once you hit x 3 you are in a much more comfortable spot with dodging esp the circles
autumn yarrow
obnoxiously if you are on top of her and you only dash away once you can't dodge the close range aoe well
obtuse merlin
I have found the circles much easier to deal with if you stay closish to her as she doesn't seem to cast on her self you always have a close edge if that makes any sense?
she basically cast to one side if your dash is close enough to cross over her position you should be out of the ring zone
pastel jolt
i just wanna point out that what abilities she uses when are random
she’ll always have the same ability set but when she’ll use them changes
i’ve has runs where she started with the ground aoe and runs where she didn’t get it until i’d worn her down a bit
obtuse merlin
yeah she does either 50/50 circle / burst or a 100 % of one or the othe
torn blaze
i have cleared consistently with bow but never with shield - but people often think that shield is very powerful? how do you guys clear with shield o_o
autumn yarrow
shield is safest to play
torn blaze
constant tossing?
autumn yarrow
idk about being overwhelmingly power
nah even just the idea that
you really only have a 1 attack combo
torn blaze
invuln during bullrush?
autumn yarrow
it's common in these games to think of every attack as a clear decision/commit
so if you commit to a full sword combo, it's more risky you are likely to get hit by something
torn blaze
oh so it's the basic bash that people use the most?
autumn yarrow
imo the shield is safe because it's just one attack, you only make the attack when you are safe and it's just over afterwards
torn blaze
dash bash? haha
autumn yarrow
idk it's hard to get damage on shield in general
I think a cast or dash build would be easier to pull off
which is the result of repeating nerfs on the shield 😦
torn blaze
i've only played shield on the current build and it's sooo slow lol
i guess the runs i win in bow are when i stack damage, get to farm treasure troves and just blow things up
autumn yarrow
yea keep in mind a lot of this is my opinion which is very different from most people, I'm very fine with like 95% of the game in it's state right now given the lack of content
the only tech i can think of for the shield is if you dash attack
your 2nd attack happens much faster
if u hit something tho, the hit stun slows down the combo a little bit
pastel jolt
i wish there was something to do with the sword when you hold X. it’s the only weapon without a charged component
bow charges its shot, shield bullrushes, spear spins.... sword Does Nothing
gleaming quiver
I'd be fine it it just made you keep attacking
That would go well with the Flurry Blade upgrade
the button mashing is real
real pagoda
Shield can be a good compliment to another source of damage, like a Zeus booned dash, since you can get daedelus hammer for 20% damage reduction
that was how i beat the hydra, i stacked up 58% DR and just ran around like a madman while Uncle Zeus went to town on the map
regal falcon
Yeah, sword doesn't have hold attack. It also weakest weapon in my opinion. But you start game as a young Dante from DMC, so it already makes weapon at least iconic
obtuse merlin
@real pagoda sounds like it took a while X D
gleaming quiver
I disagree with the "sword is the weakest weapon" so much
real pagoda
it was not a quick fight, but it was steady
gleaming quiver
It's the weapon with which I get the most hydra kill in on consistent way
obtuse merlin
@gleaming quiver what setup do you go for?
gleaming quiver
Chop or Flurry builds are pretty good
pearl willow
Sword is probably my least favorite but imo they're all totally capable at this point.
obtuse merlin
flurry?
gleaming quiver
@obtuse merlin The hammer upgrade that makes you lose the thrust but makes you attack faster
Yeah, it's pretty bad (the double dash crit)
regal falcon
I dunno, there are too much of useless upgrades. And i am unlucky enough to get only them
regal falcon
With every other weapon i am at least able to reach hydra consistently
gleaming quiver
Hm? Artemis Dash makes your next attack(s) crit, but the double dash upgrade already makes it crit
autumn yarrow
wait ur right i meant the more crit damage part of artemis
rough condor
no it increases its damage. no crit from mirror upgrade
gleaming quiver
Oh, right
styles: I was speaking about Double Edge ("Your Dash Attack hits twice and deals Critical damage.")
Making Artemis Dash boon useless for it
autumn yarrow
I just want to say people who don't like brim stones, just get the zeus revenge damage
afk gaming is best gaming
regal falcon
zeus + ares revenge for one tick kill revenge
turbid needle
You can turn the sword into an incredible nuke or great dps weapon with the right upgrades
pastel jolt
the sword feels a lot more fun to use now
i think changing the damage to 10-20-30 instead of a flat 10-10-10 really helped
regal falcon
Well most of weapons turned into incredible nuke much easier
Yeah
I couldn't use sword before
Now it is somewhat enjoyable
turbid needle
My personal favorite would be the Spear so far
proud storm
"incredible nuke" we're only at the 2nd zone pal
theyre gonna make us suffer in the future areas
regal falcon
I mean AoE and distance makes everything, considering amount of enemies. And all other weapons have one or another or both(actually both for any other weapon)
you are too vulnerable during special, which gives you both of those
turbid needle
I mean that's fair
regal falcon
Sure we are not aware of what comming next, but we operate within information we have, belgo
steady wing
yeah, the game is currently fairly easy. I'm by no mean a "good" reflex player and I can get to the hydra on nearly every run with only having played about 20-30 hours top. I would assume that once we have the full game, things won't be as easy 😛
obtuse merlin
jeez we have a different idea of easy
regal falcon
well 20-30 hours - is already a lot of shadow points. You are bit overpowered by yourself in such moment
regal falcon
it's fair
turbid needle
Unless you're intentionally restricting yourself by not taking boons I guess
rocky whale
the game becomes a lot easier once you have 3 dashes and avenging gain and whatnot
errant narwhal
@vale flax there is a death defy indicator!
vale flax
Now I know. I figured it would be among the darkness, keys, etc. my bad 😅
indigo compass
😃
errant narwhal
i deleted it in feedback since its not feedback, but yeah, it is in the tab menu
indigo compass
yeah it was shortly mentioned in the first run where to look for things but after some runs u might have forgotten:p
vale flax
Yeah, I remember seeing that, but since I didn't have any death defy then I didn't think it would go into that category
As I said, my bad
I already deleted the message
errant narwhal
dont worry about it!
indigo compass
yeah thats why we have this lovely community , ppl will tell u :p
errant narwhal
thank you for deleting the message, that kind of stuff just happens sometimes. it does look pretty similar to the dark thirst icon
vale flax
Maybe I should have asked first :_ D
obtuse merlin
I missed it until recently as well
indigo compass
yeah think most ppl miss it at first
obtuse merlin
a different place in the UI might be better
near health?
it is like lives in a way\
errant narwhal
ooh near health sounds good tbh
vale flax
Well, that's all my feedback for now
Yeah, perhaps near the health would be more intuitive
indigo compass
yeah, i might be nice to have some better indication maybe
vale flax
Because I didn't think it was a boon
indigo compass
although once u become alot more fammiliar with the game u wont need it as much anymore or just know naturally how much u still have
vale flax
Kind of like in lol when the champions have some wings on their health bar when they can resurrect
pastel jolt
100 / 100 [ +3 ]
errant narwhal
haha speak for yourself, i check that tab menu Religiously for my death defies and STILL always think i have one left when i dont
shakes fist @ dark thirst
pastel jolt
dark thirst and death defy really are very very similar tbh
indigo compass
ah, for me i mostly never trigger it untill asphodel
vale flax
I'm glad my mess up served for some useful feedback in the end 😅
indigo compass
so i allways have 3 when i get there
velvet bone
I just started playing and I didn't realize the spear returns to you, I thought you had to pick it up like your cast
Might be nice if that showed up in the little weapon tutorial
autumn yarrow
yes same
uneven ledge
Did anyone else struggle a bit with the bow? I think it auto locks, but with Mouse and Keyboard, it made me feel as if I was over adjusting and missing shots.
autumn yarrow
don't think mouse and keyboard autolocks at all
controller with aim assist makes the bow like 100x easier
rich lantern
Autolock can be turned on and off in the Controls settings!
uneven ledge
Awesome, Ill do that. Yeah I figured it was for controller
indigo compass
yeah tho without aim assist it can be even harder for me , i had to keep the aim assist on, once u get used to it it gets alot better
unkempt spruce
It can also lock funny at times, when you try and shoot that wandering bomb layers the bow tends to aim where they were and makes lining up shots somewhat frustrating. That said if it auto followed it would be a little too easy. Just something to watch out for.
uneven ledge
Oh, another thing. I gave Hades a gift
that's just throwing away gifts, I guess?
maybe this is better for #h1-story-discussion
harsh kelp
I just had the sickest build but I cant post a picture of it
rich lantern
Kraken I think you can post links to imgur or whatever in here still!
harsh kelp
oooh good idea!
brb
now you may say to yourself
"is there anyone better at spear than Kraken?"
but I freaking DIED
indigo compass
lemme guess u tryd to only spin charge dash?
harsh kelp
Poseidon builds: great until boss
I didnt in Hydra except for the additional spawns
but I got bogged down and took crazy damage on the final wave
indigo compass
i died multiple times at like the last phase just because i ws being a little greedy lol
indigo compass
its like oh yeah no way i can lose this one:p
harsh kelp
the boon system is probably going to get revamped in the major update right
because when they keep adding areas, we're going to run out of slots to fill with boons
so they'd have to revamp it
otherwise you'd just keep using Poms and grabbing Darkness
unkempt spruce
Its possible we will see other Hammer-esque upgrades that change gameplay style.
Or a shrine that scrubs an upgrade
I am also hoping for some boons that hut you more. More dark bargainy things that give you a sick advantage but cost health/casts/dashes etc.
harsh kelp
yeah like the spirit system in bastion
I'd like that
also of all the legendaries I've gotten I think Poseidons is the worst
and Artemis' is the best
unkempt spruce
I could also see an event where whatever god you are most favored in strips you and you get weaker going into the last area or something. Theres a lot of possibilities.
pastel jolt
i know they nerfed down the aoe on poseidon’s dash but does anyone else feel like it’s now way smaller than the graphic? i noticed it earlier and it felt like i had to dash almost directly on top of enemies to get the knockback
copper sandal
has anyone else had an epxerience where sometimes their inputs don't seem to register even though it feels like it should? I can't tell if that's a bug or just my keyboard being garbage
pastel jolt
sometimes keyboards panic if you try to do too many simultaneous inputs
i had a really bad keyboard once that locked up when i typed too fast, lmao
copper sandal
Yeah, I think I noticed that in dota sometimes too
harsh kelp
you guys play on keyboard?
copper sandal
just wanted to doublecheck
indigo compass
controller here
copper sandal
I am a native PC player
I'll put up with a lot of garbage to not have to plug in my controller
harsh kelp
yeah but I always play SG games on controller
copper sandal
I probably should give it a try just to be a good early access player
indigo compass
i allways love mouse and keyboard but not for hack and slash type games
real pagoda
I'm mouse and keyboard as well
unrelated: what priority do people usually put on upgrades from the mirror? I'm guessing +dashes and +death defies are at the top
kind marten
K/M as well. I imagine ti works fine on controller as well. One thing I changed, though, I put the special keybind on Shift so I wouldn't have to take a finger off WASD.
real pagoda
that's actually quite smart
kind marten
I think dashes are by far the most important. Death defies are great as well, but so is all the extra damage, like dash damage and backstab. Better boons are great too but seem a bit more like a sink once you've maxed out the rest. At least that's how I've upgraded.
real pagoda
yeah, I haven't unlocked the boon upgrades, i figured they were the endgame darkness dumps
harsh kelp
certainly feels like it lmao
real pagoda
so i haven't been beelining keys, since based on what I've seen in feedback once you finish unlocking the things keys dont do anything
copper sandal
I'm actually pretty happy with 2 dashes instead of 3
its enough to get me out of trouble
and that 250 can go pretty far
is minotaur rush worth it?
vapid mauve
Same, I'm just sitting on 2 dashes and pumping boons. Is the life back from countering worth it? What's the time window?
copper sandal
I've heard some folks say its OP
but I havevn't really noticed it
probably because I'm too busy just freaking out the entire time
harsh kelp
I also havent noticed it
vapid mauve
Fair, maybe I'll try it with shield or sword when I play those
kind marten
Didn't know that was what did it. Thought it might have been some weird HP scaling.
hard holly
Well, I guess id prioritize the shadowsink upgrades last
vapid mauve
What's the max on boon upgrades? 50%?
rich lantern
Yep!
vapid mauve
Thanks
torn blaze
i mean, is it 50% more %, or is it a straight up +%??
this is so confusing LOL
if there's a 20% chance a boon is rare, is it now 70% chance for a boon to be rare, or a 30% chance? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
hard holly
You should be able to drift by pressing the special button during bull charge
copper berry
For the priorities on Mirror upgrades, I think Second Dash < Death Defy < cthonic vitality < damage bonuses < god upgrades is the best one. Since the cost ramps up so quickly on some of the boons, you usually just get to mix and match with your extra darkness. I think in my early game I enjoyed something like Second dash, 2 cthonic vitality, 1 or 2 death defy, and then extras into backstab.
gleaming quiver
Cast build, 536 damage per Cast, 2.67s reload time. Feels good 
cinder dragon
To be honest, the extra damage on dash is so cheap, I would even pass on death defy for it.
Ideally, vitality regen should make death defy unnecessary anyhow. Depends on how comfortable you are as a player.
And what weapon you have. Spear for example might want it as a backup if you mess up.
Can't always get perfect spins, after all.
indigo compass
yeah for bow i allmost never trigger death defiance but for sword i rly need it
celest epoch
Is there a current “fastest” way to farm for darkness?
indigo compass
if u can get the poseidon boon that gives u extra yes
and else just pick as much darkness doors and buy as much as possible from the shops
and do those challenge chests
primal folio
oh that poseidon boon was so good
I found that and then I found two centaur hearts
i was up to like 160 HP
indigo compass
yeah and if ur lucky u get like 350 darkness at the end of a run
thats about the max i got so far from one run
golden minnow
Poseidon are my favourite buffs. They are just so fun to play with, even if they aren't very good vs bosses
primal folio
yeah the knockback isnt very useful but u do get to do a whole lotta splish splash and that's just fun
autumn yarrow
is the bot dying?
sterile knoll
Looks like it
primal folio
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golden minnow
Sword Nova +200% Damage, Increased Range, and Poseidon Special + Knockback buff. Sends enemies flying
sterile knoll
Sorry for murdering the bot guys
indigo compass
its allright he needs some rest every now and then:p
primal folio
get the bot some orange slices and some juice and we'll see how the bot's feelin later
golden minnow
Or some Poms and Ambrosia
primal folio
buy the bot a drink in the lounge
sterile knoll
Ambrosia could be OJ who knows
vapid mauve
tfw you want Charon to save you but he just sells some darkness and ships you off to the Asphodel ferry ride 😬
primal folio
i think Charon's on the boat of "it's better to annoy Zagreus than face the punishment of Hades"
turbid needle
Seems to me that you're into that. 
regal falcon
Well, everyone have their... quirks
errant narwhal
just a helpful reminder to all of you this is a family friendly server for No Reason At All
vapid mauve
worldly warren
Meg is very family-friendly!
She consigns everyone equally to eternal torment in the depths of Tartarus
errant narwhal
she is! so family friendly she would kill zag over and over to keep the family together
turbid needle
Yeah! No discrimination there!
I mean come guys, it doesn't get much family-friendlier than Greek myth.
worldly warren
Zag: please I just want to get out
Meg: this is a family-friendly Tartarus and you will stay here with your dad
turbid needle
kek
errant narwhal
seriously though please refrain from suggestive remarks, i know with greek myth its unavoidable on some level but it doesnt mean you can do that towards other server members! aside from the fact they might be uncomfortable with that, this isnt the kind of environment we want this server to be.
autumn yarrow
LOL
subtle walrus
Yeah but how many eggs can you fry using Hades' forehead?
unkempt spruce
7
autumn yarrow
6?
turbid needle
hoary jewel
It looks like it's just me, but I found the other weapons lackluster compared to the Stygian Blade. It might be because I'm an old woman and my twitch reflexes aren't what they used to be. wry smile The sword seems to do well no matter which random buff you happen to get
warm falcon
Personally I've had a way easier time with every weapon other than the sword
Kiting is real strong
errant narwhal
what does kiting mean?
warm falcon
Using ranged weapons and running away to keep enemies at a distance
errant narwhal
also if youre into frantic mashing of buttons game tactic like me, the spear is better than the sword
warm falcon
Shield and bow are both great at it
errant narwhal
oh thanks!
hoary jewel
Except you can't kite backwards, and some of the rooms are designed so it's difficult to not end up in close quarters (or too far away for the bow attacks to reach at all)
warm falcon
Take a boon with knockback on special and you can get away with it in most rooms
sterile knoll
Spear throw is fantastic at kiting
warm falcon
Yeah the spear is all round great to be honest
hard holly
You can kite just by spamming dash attack
warm falcon
Fits both playstyles
vapid mauve
spear with lightning has been the most consistent for me, just had a really easy run with bow + instant charge + high level ares delayed damage, just tag things and run
errant narwhal
i had to watch a lot of others play bow to learn how to play it properly, but it feels rlly good to play once i got the hang of it
hoary jewel
@errant narwhal Really? Because the spear seemed far more single-target than the sword, which is why I finally just went back to the sword. I tried the spear and it was OK, but even with the quick version of the spin attack, I found myself getting pummeled far too often
warm falcon
I definitely found the bow the hardest to get used to
hard holly
Sword is still the weakest weapon, but its not that far off anymore
warm falcon
I find the sword as great until you fight against bosses
vapid mauve
I like sword with the strong single-hit upgrade, otherwise not a fan
hoary jewel
And the shield doesn't seem to protect as much as I would have thought - not to mention there were times I tried to use the block feature, only to have it not work
hoary jewel
Of course, that's the problem - unless I missed something, you can't switch weapons mid-run.
warm falcon
Nope
hoary jewel
So you have to hope you can handle everything with your weapon choice
hard holly
Its pretty easy to do so
Helps that most weapons are good for roomclearing and bossclearing now
warm falcon
You do, yeah
fast urchin
oh dag.
hard holly
Aye
warm falcon
You've done it now though, you know what to do for next time 🙏
hard holly
Dont worry, it gets easy after a while
vapid mauve
yeah, once you get the hang of the fight it becomes a lot less of a wall
fast urchin
It's still very crazy fight.
worldly warren
You now get to go meet her back home also
And can get insulted repeatedly to fill out her Codex entry
fast urchin
Oh dope
warm falcon
Yeah she's kinda grumpy
worldly warren
Kinda
hard holly
I mean you are making her job harder
harsh kelp
I love Meg
warm falcon
She cute
harsh kelp
Her voice is 👌
primal folio
im going in on my next meg fight and my loadout is ideal wish me luck
primal folio
max health, lvl 4 death defiance, urge to kill cranked up to 20%
harsh kelp
Krakens gameplay tips:
Upgrade dash fully
???
Win lul
primal folio
i got phalanx shot for her bullet hell and ares curse on my primary attacks
hoary jewel
Is there a way for the gifts to upgrade at all? I was kinda expecting to see an upgrade when giving a subsequent gift to someone whose gift was already unlocked. I also frankly can't see a reason to equip any gift other than Cerberus - maybe that changes later in the game? Particularly the ones that have the "the next boon will be God/dess X and be more powerful" as those only seem useful a single time (or, if they make it so only that god/dess shows up, allows you to create a build around a single god's boons), while other gifts seem to have more overall usefulness.
primal folio
uhhh not that I've seen but
the Cerberus collar is good in the beginning when you need to learn attack animations and handling different encounters
harsh kelp
Skull earring is very good
primal folio
but after that I've found it's better to sacrifice that boon for better more consistent power
which one is skull earring?
worldly warren
My strategy at the moment is to start with the Rose, then use either the Collar or the Earring
primal folio
i dont think i have that one
harsh kelp
Right right
worldly warren
I'll PM you since it's a slight spoiler
harsh kelp
Ty for covering my butt Draco lol
primal folio
i think i can assume who but sure thing
harsh kelp
Just don't ever use Nyx's lol
hoary jewel
OK wait @worldly warren - you make it sound like you can switch gifts mid-run?
worldly warren
Not at arbitrary points, but there is a way you'll discover later that lets you switch once per run
hoary jewel
Ah, OK.
I think being able to get upgrades on a particular gift as you give more gifts to someone would be nice
harsh kelp
It would
copper sandal
"oh, a survive room" runs in circles for 45 seconds
harsh kelp
Some runs I just see how many I can kill
Similar topic: what's the most money you have gotten out of an infernal trove?
hoary jewel
I'd submit it as feedback, but as I'm new here, I don't know what previous iterations of feedback have looked like or whether it's already been submitted and deleted
dense holly
76g
worldly warren
I've never gotten above forty 😦 I'm bad at troves
harsh kelp
Troves are tough
dense holly
I only go for them if I know that with my build I won't take damage
harsh kelp
If I don't have a crazy build I won't touch them
plain glacier
i wish they varied the difficulty of troves
just so you knew what you were getting yourself into before attempting
plain glacier
mood
harsh kelp
Those guys don't play around
dense holly
it's the same as in Tartarus. if u need gold and have a good build, it's fine to go for it
I'm wondering about patterns on angry gods though
harsh kelp
Asphodel just scares me lol
dense holly
Aphrodite always sends out ranged monsters
dense holly
in Asphodel I really hate the boats leading to armored monsters
on that little platform against every immune bloodless
harsh kelp
The boat ride in Asphodel is my least favorite encounter
I'd rather mess with the second boss than that boat
golden minnow
True
hollow minnow
I barely survived that boat!!! IDK if I can ever do it again! Also, I just reached the hydra and freaked out!!!!!!! How the HECK are you supposed to beat that thing?!?!?! i have the bow. HYDRA IS INSANE
turbid needle
The boat sucks.
Unless you're some sort of God who can no-hit the entire game, you're most likely not gonna survive the hydra even if you do manage to survive the boat
lethal goblet
avoided the boat have spear deal no dmg
autumn yarrow
zeus's cast is god tier on boat
also has anyone noticed they've buffed it potentially? it was bouncing an awful lot more than I remembered it doing and with more accuracy
turbid needle
Might be just RNG
Would be kinda weird if they didn't mention something in the notes
hard holly
Nah, just get good boons and slay the murderboat
dire cedar
At what distance does Distant Memories take effect?
vapid mauve
spear with range upgrade can benefit, without can not as far as I have been able to tell, if that helps
I guess like half a screen away
perhaps the quality level of the boon affects number of lightning bounces? I know on poseidon for example the amount of knockback is greater for Rare and Epic, though the tooltip doesn't specificy since it doesn't give numbers for it
for a real good time get epic poseidon boon on shield normal attack
turbid needle
omg i cant kill the skele twins pls help
vapid mauve
keep at it, they will seem trivial in no time
errant narwhal
you’ll get there!!
turbid needle
can urecomend any weapons to beat them
vapid mauve
spear is the easiest weapon for me
worldly warren
I use a dash-based build against them
errant narwhal
spear with athena for deflecting 👌
worldly warren
Passion Dash is my favorite but it just got nerfed
turbid needle
mkay
worldly warren
You can also use Athena Cast
hoary jewel
I think the crux of the issue is that boons you get are RNG - so you can't just "build" for a particular battle because there's no guarantee you'll have the build you need/want.
errant narwhal
@hard holly hey I’m gonna delete your feedback about the spear special crit upgrades since I already submitted it earlier, but please do vote there if you agree with it 🙏
turbid needle
OMG I GOT THEM THANKS
hard holly
Oh, my bad, I didnt notice your feedback
arctic olive
hows controller compared to mouse and keyboard? I can't seem to aim cause my cursor flickers whenever I move it and just lose track of it
hard holly
Controller feels good
Also man, its a bit annoying that you keep getting a bad selection from the first god sometimes
Like Athena, where you get Cast, Dash and Special on shield
arctic olive
might have to give that a try, getting tired of not knowing where my guy is aiming at or cursor is at
may the boons be ever in your favor
primal folio
tbh yknow an interaction i kinda wish you could get with the shield?
hard holly
The last few run, they havent
vapid mauve
I haven't had any difficulty with mouse+keyboard.
hard holly
I still beat the Hydra, but it was annoying to get the best hammer upgrade for special
primal folio
when you're charging your bash if you've got athena's deflect it can deflect projectiles during the chargeup
hard holly
Then not get any special damage increase boons until the end of Asphodel
primal folio
maybe balance this by not letting you infinitely hold bash charge but i rlly wish i could use it to block some shots
primal folio
yea i figured probably
it felt like that kind of detail that Was A Thing in an earlier patch I just wish I'd gotten on board for it in time
hard holly
Oh first build Shield was broken as all hell
It had deflect on everything baseline, which worked against melee enemies too (so you just held charge and they killed themselves), and its damage was way higher
primal folio
imo shield's still the strongest weapon just bc of the defensive power of having a block
tidal roost
Shield definitely seems like the most powerful weapon so far
empty willow
but weak against mobs..
primal folio
^^
tidal roost
Though personally I think its because of its throw
primal folio
spear I can't get the hang of the sort of movement you need
tidal roost
Id put Shield at 1, Spear and Bow at 2 at sword at 3
primal folio
Shield I love for the block and just the massive amount of bash cleave you can get
tidal roost
Shield just has a much lower threshold of things that you can build good combos from
Spear and Bow are bit more challenging on that end
hard holly
Eh, hardly
tidal roost
Not as much as sword though
hard holly
Bow is the best bosskiller baseline
And if you get one of like 3 hammer upgrades, the run is basically won
Everything else is gravy
primal folio
i should do a bow run sometime
hard holly
Spear is similiar
vapid mauve
spear is my jam
vapid mauve
yeah I barely charge, just poking guys all day
tidal roost
Range upgrade helps a lot. I dont actually use the charge at all. It could use a buff to be honest.
vapid mauve
zeus boon for that flat damage cause the spear doesnt have any of it's own 👌
tidal roost
I love attack weakness or deflect with spear
primal folio
I remember trying to do a sword run and the comical thing was all my upgrades were like boosting my specials
tidal roost
Soooooooo good
primal folio
so I had like an increased range, Crit increase, etc.
I was dealing like 200 per special with a 73% to crit
it made those extra coin rooms a s i n c h
vapid mauve
that's sick, I do like going for big numbers
tidal roost
I feel like sword runs require a breath of boons across your whole moveset to be particularly good. I haven't had a successful one to date yet.
primal folio
it was absurdly busted as a special which made up for the fact that my sword did like nothing that run
vapid mauve
sword is only usable with the single-hit upgrade for me
primal folio
fair
tidal roost
I could see that if you combine that with Artemis's dash crit
Make it absurdly strong
vapid mauve
yeah I tried going for that one run, unfortunately it gives you a wimpy dash attack if you try
plain glacier
zeus's lightning strike dash is always a sick choice
vapid mauve
I guess you could level the artemis dash a couple times so it lasts long enough to get the regular strong hit after
I mentioned that issue in feedback and it got some thumbs, so maybe it will get changed
tidal roost
mmmm, maybe. But id only pursue that route if I already had a couple levels dash crit, and found a hammer to get the attack in the first place
Definitely wouldn't be something id build towards the other way around
vapid mauve
true, I'd be greedy for the biggest numbers and just want base artemis dash with every level on +dmg
elfin spindle
damm just had the tankiest run I ever had, shield reduction perk, aphrodite´s dash with the close enemy reduction damage and athena´s damage reduction boon
I just face tanked everything
had 150 hp too
tidal roost
The hammer upgrade that gives you the shield for a second after every hit makes those runs so much dumber lol
manic ermine
My last run had 3 double boon rooms, had a lot of upgrades by the end
primal folio
what's a better aphrodite boost- empty inside or sweet surrender?
basically longer weak or weak also giving you more damage
im leaning towards empty but?
fluid moat
Artemis dash with shield is fun as well, because you can dash mid bull rush and stack a dash-attack on top of your bull rush
hard holly
Weak giving you more damage
You tend to reapply weak all the time anyway
Unless its on cast?
primal folio
special
fluid moat
Also I enjoy your speedruns Flameberger 👍
hard holly
Which weapon?
rigid raven
oh hey muffin, you're the guy on Day9's streams right?
fluid moat
Yup
rigid raven
neato
primal folio
shield
fluid moat
I suggested he try this game for a day off 😂
hard holly
Mmh
Then maybe longer weak actually
You want to avoid using shield special as much as possible
primal folio
yea i went with longer weak
hard holly
Plus the damage boost gets negated by shield specials delay
primal folio
yyyea
rigid raven
my problem with the shield is I never get the timing down so I can block right after a block, feels weird
primal folio
shield is honestly my go-to just bc the playstyle suits me a lot more than like
hard holly
Yeah Id say longer weak is the correct choice there
primal folio
i tried a bow? sucked horribly at it just bc i could not outsnipe brimstones
rigid raven
bow with crit chance and instant arrows is ridiculous
got to like 80%
took Meg in about 45 sec
hard holly
Its good with just crit dash and any of the +damage hammer upgrades
In fact, its kind of a ludicrous weapon
But its one you need to get used to
rigid raven
it's good because you can always dash OUT of the danger
you never have to go back in
copper sandal
@fluid moat didn't you also do some GDQ stuff?
cursive pilot
I don't know if he's here but yes is your answer. I look forward to Hades speedruns actually.
copper sandal
Maybe we could get the Devs to be "on the couch" as it were. Its always great when that happens.
The Hyper Light Drifter run from a while ago being a prime example
cursive pilot
yeah! Or a speedrun race.
copper sandal
A speedrun race of a roguelike would be interesting
cursive pilot
Would be fun to see the differences with the RNG builds.
vapid mauve
glad to hear it muffin, I'd probably be streaming this game if my internet was more stable atm
fluid moat
👍 flameberger yeah I watched a good bit of megaman stuff after seeing het pick it up
Yes oceloctopus ive Done a bunch of GDQ runs/commentary stuffs. I have a run in the upcoming AGDQ 😬
vapid mauve
not to go too far off topic, but what's the run? I'll try to catch it when I'm there
hard holly
Warcraft 3 Orc Campaign I believe?
vapid mauve
oh sick, I love wc3
fluid moat
Yeah!
pearl willow
lol just finished the aphrodite codex entry and the next closest is artemis at 21 more boons
autumn yarrow
split flicker
how do yall handle the second boss's missile spam? i get kind of overwhelmed unless i'm camping behind the wall
south comet
if youre far enough away you can sorta zig zag walk back and forth and they go past you
grand patrol
pretend ur playing a bullet hell game kgkgngbg
also. DASH
south comet
but im not the best to ask for that sorta thing because i havent beaten it yet lmao
split flicker
i think i might be spamming dash too much
my problem is how they home in haha
i think im just not understanding the flow of the fight
forest marsh
I find you either need to be very close or very far for the Hydra missiles
vapid mauve
yeah, I spend a lot of time behind the wall. pop out for a hit or two between volleys on the later stages of the fight when he can chain multiple in a row, only go for a lot of hits when he's stomping
forest marsh
The middle ground is a death zone
split flicker
gotcha,i'll keep that in mind
maybe i should get closer to him
i'm using the spear so i should be able to handle the stompy thing ok
finite grail
I’m not really a fan of the skipping booms idea imo, it seems kinda boring and bland
I feel like that’s part of the choice
dense holly
real bland. 0 damage run must be hella fun
if one wants a challenge, then just get boons on cast and special and use attacks only run. many ways around that
forest marsh
I think you should be allowed to skip boons, but it displeases the god just like in the Trial rooms
I was going to put it in feedback, but it's not really feedback. It's just discussing someone else's feedback. I don't think you should get a monetary reward in place of a boon, though
For the reason stated above, you're rejecting the offering
dense holly
if it comes down to it then ye, get nothing
but it weirds me a bit displeasing the gods and being all friendly with them in the next boon
currently, if you displease the gods, you show them you're still worth it and you make up with them
forest marsh
What if displeasing the god had an actual effect, like removing a heart 
dense holly
could happen, still it's up to the dev team to register who has gotten that 1st gift and not duplicate some unique interactions
forest marsh
It could be represented by a broken heart symbol instead of an empty one
But you'd get unique interactions when you make up with them later
dense holly
it's an interesting idea but I don't really mind as it is atm
forest marsh
Yeah, it's fine. It was just a conjecture about a possible path, I wouldn't expect them to do it 😆
dense holly
could actually happen. just not for the near future for certain
vapid mauve
that's amazing, how much damage were you critting for?
also, if someone could confirm or deny, my impression is that the bonus from a gods' keepsake is applied when the boon is generated, and unequiping the item later after meg won't cause you to lose the increased effect. I normally start a run with the god im looking for but then switch to +health or something else before asphodel
rugged horizon
i think my crits were about 1k to 1200
but wasnt checking
backstab was 568 though
the heads of the hydra went down in about 3-5 hits i think
dreamy jackal
What kind weapon is this?
forest marsh
Sword
dreamy jackal
Thanks
turbid needle
absolutely go ahead
unique nest
for some reason it wont let me post a picture
turbid needle
ohh there are no permissions to post pictures in here but you can send it in a different server then copy paste the link here
turbid needle
the one with the skull means that you ll encounter a boss in that one
zenith ice
not neccisarily
turbid needle
most likely the bomb throwing skeletons(?)
zenith ice
the one with the skull means tougher & armored enemies
turbid needle
oh really ? i only ever get them each time i went in rooms marked with a 💀
zenith ice
there's a babby version of the skull dudes
basically sparkles + skull means "tougher enemies, greater reward"
turbid needle
didn t know , thanks for the info 😮 !!
zenith ice
yeah took me a while to notice too but the skeleton brothers can be either slam dancers or infernal bombers
slam dancers are smaller and don't throw all their bombs out upon death
unique nest
what do you guys like better for the deadalus upgrade for the sword... blade flurry or the, 1 swingthat does more damage
tidal roost
Okay, so i definitely just trivialized the game with a bow special build I had. Epic level heart breaking flourish upped to over 200% damage, Epic Pressure points from Artemis, and the hammer upgrade that makes the bows special fire 100% more shots.
Took out the hydra in 20 seconds flat. It only took longer because he was able to proc a single head phase.
unique nest
wait wtf
forest marsh
I thought it went auto-impervious at the phase thresholds now to avoid that very scenario?
tidal roost
I was nuking it in the middle of attack animations
I got it down to 25% before its first head slam attack was over
forest marsh
And that's in V0.12032? Super impressive if it is!
tidal roost
The best part of this run, is literally today I read someone complaining about how the bow special wasn't very good. \
unique nest
i mean to be fair it isnt greatyou just got like the perfect rolls XD
does it do more damaage if you are in melee range when you shoot
like al shots from special hit same time?
tidal roost
No. It still goes in an "Arc"
BUt I mean, if a thing is infront of your face
All the shots just hit
tidal roost
Went Aphrodiety first.
Got the epic special upgrade taht started out at like 165% special damage buff
Than got passion dance later (irrelevant though), got hammer upgrade next that increases special shots by 100%
Beat first boss
unique nest
what were the buffs again? heartbreak flourish and what?
tidal roost
Took Artemis keepsake AFTER that
ANd got Epic Level pressure points after that from her
forest marsh
That must be on an older build of the game 
unique nest
i mean he said he just did it no?
forest marsh
Unless Heartbreak Flourish didn't get nerfed as much as the rest
tidal roost
Yeah its a huge buff
forest marsh
Hmmm, cool! Much higher than what the Heartbreak Strike gives
tidal roost
And Epic level pressure points is a 20% crit chance on ANY DAMAGE you do
So put that together with throwing out 30 projectiles or something like that
and do that straight in front of anything
Up it 3x and your hitting 65 damage crits every 3rd shot on like 20-30 of them
and still doing some odd 30 with the rest, backstab damage and others not included
*other mods not included
unique nest
i dont know man, i got the heartbreak flourish epic buff as my burst buff in the run and i cant 1 shot numbskulls
38 damage backstab and 26 head on
tidal roost
Are you talking about the attack or the special?
unique nest
special
tidal roost
They don't die in one hit no, but the special spreads the projectiles out, and any particular enemy gets hit by more of them the closer you are. I wasn't actually one shotting anything with one projectile
The entire build is getting into everythings face and unloading
The opposite of most of the powershot attack builds the bow has
unique nest
i been having the worst luck when it comes to buffs i wanna get
obtuse merlin
yeah they are if you plan a strategy
zenith ice
you're going to have enough ambrosia to fill a swimming pool otherwise so yes
obtuse merlin
the god related ones are pretty good if your trying a build that relies on a bool
zenith ice
also what Silver said
split flicker
oh i see!
obtuse merlin
having a rare / epic / legendary boon vs a normal one makes a real difference too
split flicker
i really like athena's spear attack boon i think
obtuse merlin
so the increased rarity chance is good
zenith ice
and, minor spoilers if you haven't gotten past Meg: you'll have a chance to switch your trinkets
turbid needle
Totally, epic boons can really make life easier
i love the spear + aphrodite's boons
split flicker
oh yea i've gotten to the second boss
if you don't switch your trinket do you get the guaranteed boon again?
zenith ice
not sure?
obtuse merlin
not sure, but I'd assume so?
zenith ice
oh, and pro tip: if you go into the run without the collar, switch onto the collar after beating Meg BEFORE you drink from the heal pool
obtuse merlin
unless you keep the increased rarity, but that is pretty thin as a bonus since there is no grarantee
zenith ice
even if you're not planning to keep the collar on, you'll heal 10 points more from the pool that way
turbid needle
you keep the rarity boon from the god accessroy yes i switched them out before.
pulsar loom
Bow is the only weapon with a timed mechanic, correct? I am not missing something with the shield's bull rush or anything else?
pulsar loom
I was going to mention it in feedback, but I didn't want to have it turn out that there was, and I just missed those instructions
unkempt spruce
It's odd the trinket says it makes the boons better in the description but having them on or off doesn't impact their power. I have also had the God Boon and had god only give Normal rarity options.
hoary jewel
It's also bizarre that you can have a god/dess trinket equipped and never see that god/dess show up in a run. I think it would be better for it to have the additional effect of a 100% guarantee that the next thing to show up is that god/dess.
turbid needle
Hello, I don't know if it is the right spot to post this, but I think that I have found a glitched mechanic in the game. When using the bow with Poseidon's blessing on the Special attack (increasing its damage and applying a knock back effect to it), using this Special next to an enemy standing close to a wall will apply several times the "wall slam" damage on the enemy. Making it a mechanic quite strong against certain mobs.
This is due to the several arrows that are being shot by the Special attack, it feels like each arrow of the Special will apply a distinct knock back to the enemy and therefore generate wall slam damage for each. This isn't a real "game breaker" thing, but it's there
golden minnow
So this is only for Bow special? I think Feedback channel is technically the right channel. But idk if it is unintended or part of how it should operate. 
Ok lol Shield shouldn't do that
autumn yarrow
nah it's just if you knock them back along a wall
turbid needle
Yes exactly what happens with the special on the bow !
autumn yarrow
if the monster is flush with the wall I think the polygon/detection isn't good
Is it really consistent with u blue?
cause I could only get this to work once or twice
golden minnow
Yeah wall slam detection is kinda bad
autumn yarrow
^ either you don't slam at all or this happens LOL /s
turbid needle
Honestly with the bow Special attack + Poseidon blessing = 100% chance to get multiple wall slams on the enemy if you are both standing close to the wall
golden minnow
Asphodel and the "insert bad word" random ground clutter like the stalagmites that block enemies from going in the lava but also dont proc wall slam.
They blend in with the ground. You can't break them with attacks but you can if you step on them...
autumn yarrow
hmm maybe your case is a little different then
uneven shuttle
Way it's designed, this seems unavoidable. Wall slam damage depends on the mob's velocity when it hits the wall, the mob's velocity gets set to 2000 whenever an arrow hits it -> slamslamslamslamslamslamslamslam
autumn yarrow
cause there is a level of bounce back from the wall right
so if you were to knock them back into it very quickly consistently it's different than this
which is more or less dragging them along the wall
golden minnow
Sometimes you get infinite velocity other times you get a little nudge
Does armor play a role in it?
turbid needle
I feel like it does
Often I experience more hardship to knock back an armored enemy
uneven shuttle
I don't think armor affects it; some mobs seem immune to knockback at certain times / during certain animations, however.
turbid needle
Oh ok, makes sense
uneven shuttle
Armor makes them immune to stagger, which means they can end up in that state more often.
turbid needle
Some ennemies appear to have more "weight" to them and can't be knocked too far
torn blaze
whats the name of the skele bombers that throw their bombs straight down?
grand patrol
i love that those guys are minibosses in tartarus but normal in asphodel
errant narwhal
YEAH
hoary jewel
Ugh, those guys
grand patrol
its such a neat touch to show how far youce come
errant narwhal
i used to be like "oh no this is SO HARD HOW DO I BEAT THEM" and now im in aspho like haha. beg for my mercy
grand patrol
mmmhm!!!!
vapid mauve
Third zone will probably have megs running around as regular enemies
golden minnow
grand patrol
😱 😱
vestal umbra
I haven't even made it past the skele twins yet
grand patrol
💪 good luck!!!
golden minnow
They are tough. You really have to play the long game with both of them
grand patrol
using a dash attack can help
if uve found one on boons
just run in circles around them
golden minnow
Deflect dash murders the bomb skeleies the Slam Dancers you just run as they hop up in the air
You have to really respect armored enemies. Even with big knockback they can sometimes just sit there and bop you.
hard holly
Have the third Zone have Dusas as regular enemies
vestal umbra
Yeah armored enemies I often struggle with, especially louts
golden minnow
Louts are just obnoxious with armor. I cheese them if I can every time. Cause they are so volatile with how they react
You can stop charging louts with enough pushback from basic Sword special. But, it not very consistent and the end lag usually gets them charging for another attack by the time you can react again.
@torn blaze Which weapon are you using to try to knock back the Dancers?
vestal umbra
I've been favoring the spear
vapid mauve
Both skele minibosses are immune to knockback during and maybe a bit after they jump
They use to be completely damage immune at those times, so I can't complain
golden minnow
Oof damage immune would be rough
copper sandal
Is anyone else occasionally thrown off by the slow time at the end of a level/Death Defy? It's gotten me a few times with the bomb thrower skeletons and meg
acoustic crane
Yep
I'm not a fan of the bomb throwers in general anyway. I find they really discourage close quarters fighting which is unfortunate since that is when the game is at its funnest
copper sandal
TBH I haven't found a lot of encouragement for close quaters
uneven shuttle
I'm not sure if there's an entry about this specifically in the feedback channel, and would like to know; does anyone else feel like the Daedalus upgrades aren't in the best place right now? Several upgrades significantly change your attack's moveset (particularly for the sword), or offers such a significant boost to either attack or special moves that it determines playstyle for a whole run. If someone wants to, say, play with the slow / hard-hitting World Splitter moveset, they may need to play through several runs before they're even given the option. This is of course true for all the gods' boons, and to some extent it adds to re-play-ability, but it seems like a real issue with the hammer to me.
errant narwhal
You can always backread or search key words in that specific channel to see if someone left that feedback before!
but also, I personally disagree, since if you could always choose to get the most powerful thing/the thing you’re best at, that defeats the point, no?
vapid mauve
there have been a few comments on the state of daedalus, I think it's tough to find a good answer or even definition of the problem though
yeah, some people want to get the things they want, others think adapting to what's given to you is part of the fun
pastel jolt
if you always got exactly the things you wanted in a run then what is the point, to be honest
errant narwhal
Lol sparrow great minds
vapid mauve
I think there should be better balance if certain options (like world splitter) are way better than others, but yeah the limited and randomized selection is part of the fun
rapid flicker
I play with spear and even if the options aren’t great there’s always something that will help my run 🤷♀️
vestal umbra
I feel like there's going to be more weapons eventually since there's empty spots
golden minnow
As a sword main. There really isnt much that encourages you to play it. Having OP dashes is usually the alternative to keep you alive.
vapid mauve
I play with spear and I cry silent tears when I don't get the range upgrade, but the run goes on...
vestal umbra
I like the spear
rapid flicker
for attack? I don’t usually pick that up
vapid mauve
I love it, my playstyle is just spamming zeus booned normals at range
copper sandal
Makes me think about a NG+ type of mode where you can chose to get a lot more freedom over your boons
golden minnow
Shield, Spear, Bow all have ranged poke so you can whittle enemies down. Sword just has the ability to hit hard with the special to clear numbskull rooms
rapid flicker
I’m usually not concerned with the range of my basic attack so I’ll be in the enemy’s face sometimes lol. But yeah that is a pretty good upgrade
golden minnow
Clear the game once and get a "Gift of Olympus" which lets all boons stack and increases rarity/power of them. Then just have super hard enemies the whole way
For like NG+ or something
vestal umbra
I can't imagine fighting the urns with the sword
golden minnow
You use your nova and poke them
copper sandal
thankfully there's the right click for that
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the blood thingies
I forget their name
rapid flicker
I got to the hydra last night for the first time but couldn’t beat it. I’m excited to think that’s waiting for me lol
vestal umbra
Pests I think
vapid mauve
first hydra kill feels real good
rapid flicker
I swear I couldn’t even get past Meg before but now that my mirror is nearly completely maxed out it’s so much easier
golden minnow
Even the boon rarity?
torn blaze
@golden minnow i was using shield bash
re: the daedalus stuff, i do feel like the biggest thing is that the choices should all be at least somewhat of an upgrade, closer in power level and interesting
aka 20% damage reduction is just boring, if strong
and then your instant shield toss or shield bash has no knockpack - is this even an upgrade?
vapid mauve
ironically no knockback but increased damage is a nice one to get if you already have poseidon boon, though the knockback won't be as hilariously strong
but yeah I agree shield daedalus needs tweaks overall, that specifically definitely has been in the feedback, you can probly scroll up and upvote it
golden minnow
Shield bash has the part of Zag stepping forward to follow up the attack. Thus you won't be clear of the blast, which has a bit of a wonky hitbox. If you are fighting with the shield your best option is just to run and kite with it @torn blaze since their hopping nature messes with their velocity.
golden minnow
Yeah knockback in general can be janky. With Poseidon buffs its insane and sends them across the room. Without you sort of just nudge them at times. Very inconsistent
torn blaze
it's interesting; i feel like all of this is "fine" haha. like you get used to which enemies are knockable and which are not, and you live with it and can beat the game accordingly
golden minnow
True but some just don't feel very dependable. You can't always rely on some getting sent to space and sometimes even slam dancers can get pushed a noticable amount.
errant narwhal
@pure stirrup your feedback has already been reported, heads up that I’m going to delete it! You can search “distant memory in: hades-feedback” if you want to vote on it.
pure stirrup
@errant narwhal thank you, i had searched in there for prior issues but forgot to this time. apologies!
errant narwhal
not pruning, just deleting new dupes, although I should probably check the previous ones to see if I missed any...
dreamy jackal
@turbid needle At fist, I think your idea is interesting, but then you make it way too complicated. I don’t like complicating game system without any real benefit to justify it. Moreover, the problem with Blood gate is that the reward feel underwhelmed compared to the price you pay. Plus, we don’t know what it gives us. The uncertainty is also a bad point against it. Your curse system if implemented, would make thing even worst!
errant narwhal
I just remembered seeing that before
dreamy jackal
How can you search feed back?
errant narwhal
“In: hades-feedback”
And then the words you wanna search for
it’ll give you messages from that channel only
golden minnow
The wonders of modern technology
errant narwhal
There’s a search function, type “in:” there and you’ll already see the option
golden minnow
Wonder what the most common noun in there is
errant narwhal
I would guess if I knew what noun meant
errant narwhal
English isn’t my first language
torn blaze
oh i'm sorry
errant narwhal
Dw I googled it
torn blaze
i thought it was a meta-joke about how people in there have bad grammar or something
hard holly
Mmh, Im not a big fan of the rooms where a lot of weak enemies spawn
Like Numbskulls or pests
autumn yarrow
that's my favorite /s
hard holly
Theyre not hard by any means, they just take a very long time
autumn yarrow
spawn camping
hard holly
My big problem is that I typically oneshot them at that stage anyway
So its just a game of
I kill you
Wait for you to spawn
And kill you again
Which is kind of ehh
hard holly
And they dont even do enough damage for those rooms ot be a threat even if you didnt oneshot them
autumn yarrow
tho i'm totally game for what you are saying with certain performance issues right now
I'm afraid of the game crashing by spawning all of them faster
hard holly
Oh my god, I just had the worst pest room
It took forever
Ahh, not another pest room
autumn yarrow
are you pested yet
hard holly
*Pestered
autumn yarrow
are you fighting pests or pesters
autumn yarrow
hard holly
I just opened one of those chest things
And Hades went "We've got a pest problem"
You have no idea
autumn yarrow
vapid mauve
I don't mind pests in general, but I hate getting them from chests 😬
autumn yarrow
call dusa, have her clean it up
royal charm
is there a way to post in feedback/
or does the account have to be linked to discarrd for a particular amt of time
vapid mauve
you have to get the right role, there's info pinned in some channel I think
royal charm
ah
errant narwhal
read the pins in the feedback channel!
vapid mauve
all good, thing about discord pins is that you don't actually see them unless you look for them