h1-builds-and-combat

[turbid needle]

too flimsy and its like ok whatever and too much more than this and its a god of war 3 on the hardest difficulty slog

[strange bronze]

weak is actually broken

[frigid robin]

and the amount of fireballs in the hydra

[turbid needle]

makes you cry when you see how little each hit does haha

[strange bronze]

the multiplier gets applied twice

the damage increase, that is

[frigid robin]

nice

[grand eagle]

I didn't know she had that upgrade

[gaunt stirrup]

Meg is bullet sponge

[turbid needle]

meg isnt that healthy on most runs that can beat hydra haha

[rugged dust]

Meanwhile Poseidon and Zeus are really underwhelming

[turbid needle]

she goes down pretty quick imo

[frigid robin]

zues has a super nice dash

[turbid needle]

yeah

[maiden sparrow]

<20% hp builds using Meg's keepsake is hilarious

[strange bronze]

you can only start getting it from her after pulling some of her other boons off the stack

[dire crystal]

I mean i just beat hydra with the bow. Took like 5 minutes just to kill meg (Damageless ofc)

[frigid robin]

poseidon really doesnt have anything going for him

[maiden sparrow]

I killed bomb skeleboys in seconds

[turbid needle]

apart from being a bro

the knockback is actually nice though

[grand eagle]

what's your guys thoughts on Ares? I love him on the bow but I don't know about the others.

[frigid robin]

i really like ares' curse effect but like
not enough

[turbid needle]

great on sword special because it offsets the cooldown time

[frigid robin]

to use it over most other things

[dire crystal]

poseidon's knockback is hilarious and really useful in asphodel. also the loot find is ridiculous and great

[turbid needle]

i never want ares boons tbh

i like his the least aside from his straight damage % increase

[frigid robin]

i think ares' cast should be DOT while someone holds a cast

[maiden sparrow]

Friend got an Epic Ares boon that gave like 101 curse damage on attacks.

[dire crystal]

thatd still be crazy lol

[rugged dust]

Yeah knockback is good on the shield, wall hits and lava pushes for days

[grand eagle]

I don't either on anything but bow with curse of agony doubling your damage

[maiden sparrow]

At that point it's pretty worth it

[frigid robin]

it sure would be

[grand eagle]

yeah my hit for usually over a hundred if I start with the charm

[frigid robin]

i wonder if as the game gets longer the % of finding boons gets smaller

[grand eagle]

but it only feels worth it on the bow

[rugged dust]

I think if I were to change anything with Aphrodite, it would be the damage multiplier she has with her boons, as well as the weakness upgrade

[grand eagle]

I didn't know about the weakness upgrade. that's amazing

[dire crystal]

im up to +22% epic chance lol

the weakness upgrade is kinda busted. i mean thats fine, but still

[maiden sparrow]

I'm honestly not sure about the Artemis boons, because they end up feeling so bad if you never actually get the crit damage one.
I once had a run where I crit just about always with anything, but didn't actually hit hard, and wouldn't get an attack buff from a different Olympian for my weapon, because I had an Artemis buff on it

[turbid needle]

which weakness upgrade?

[dire crystal]

the dash crit one of artemis is great, and her cast augs are incredible

as for the rest...eh

[rugged dust]

What is that particular upgrade called again? The upgrade that makes weakness inflate incoming damage?

[maiden sparrow]

Yeah, exactly.

[grand eagle]

dash crit is great

[turbid needle]

I like all the artemis ones, whenever i've gone into them ive gotten like 80% crit chance

[rugged dust]

It has a name

[turbid needle]

which is really nice on the melee weapons

[dire crystal]

percent crit chance isnt worth imo when dash crit is an option

[turbid needle]

and oh THAT one

yeah thats nuts haha

[dire crystal]

especially when dash crit stacks so nicely into the dash mirror upgrade

you just bam and they die

[maiden sparrow]

I've gotten like 70-80% crit chances, but the crits have dealt less damage than other weapon boons anyway, basically.

[turbid needle]

it is if you can get it to be more than 1 crit

[grim wave]

Does dash not give you invulnerability frames?
I noticed that dashing into a louse still caused me damage and I'm unclear if that's a bug or intended behavior

[dire crystal]

dash does not

[maiden sparrow]

Dash is really snappy and quick, whereas surge has invulnerability frames

[dire crystal]

you just instantly move your hitbox to where you dash to

yeah

[tawdry cairn]

surge is an upgrade for dash that give invulnerability frames

[grand eagle]

dash crit is a buff for your attack that you can stack with you attack buff from a different slot

[turbid needle]

really? pretty sure ive been hit during a surge

[maiden sparrow]

Personally I can only stand Surge when using a ranged build.

[grim wave]

Yeah, I got surge on Posideon once but it didn't feel "dodgey" and felt weird

[turbid needle]

i dont like it at all

[dire crystal]

is there any reason to get a perfect landing at the start of the escape

[maiden sparrow]

Not the entire surge, it has frames, but not the whole thing.

[dire crystal]

i dont like that or the blade rift

0/10

[grand eagle]

perfect landing?

[tawdry cairn]

LED if it was with Areis' dash the invul doesnt last the whole attack

[turbid needle]

its so slow that would just never take it

[grim wave]

Yeah, and it takes a while to finish as well :\

[dire crystal]

press the dash button just as you touch teh ground from falling out at the beginning

[maiden sparrow]

You can stand still using surges though

which is fun

[turbid needle]

yeah it was :/ and yeah the cooldown is way too long haha

[dire crystal]

you'll see a little notification saying like "perfect landing"

[frigid robin]

i dont think any surges are really wroth it tbh

[grand eagle]

huh cool

[frigid robin]

what does a perfect landing do?

[rugged dust]

I do prefer tanky builds, which is why I pick Aphrodite and Athena boons. And here's me thinking that if I only had success using beating Hydra with those boons, why can't I using Zeus, Poseidon, or Ares boons?

[turbid needle]

also ya'll dont need those caps for my name, though I understand it might've just been autocorrect haha

[maiden sparrow]

Okay LED

[dire crystal]

i have no idea what the perfect landing does lol i was asking incase anyone else knew

[frigid robin]

honestly i dont know what half of poseidon's boons are

its all like knockback right?

[maiden sparrow]

knockbacks, wall damage, etc

[turbid needle]

Hi! I just started the game

extra rewards

those are great ones actually

[rugged dust]

I do like Ocean's Bounty tho

Yeah

[frigid robin]

that sure is a pfp

[maiden sparrow]

Poseidon's in a kinda weird place, imo.

[turbid needle]

they even buff the amount the hearts give you as someone pointed out earlier sorry cant remember who

[frigid robin]

but welcome to the game netflix!!

[turbid needle]

I think poseidon might become more understandable if there are more inclosed levels

[dire crystal]

the wall stun on poseidon is worthless

absolutely worthless

[turbid needle]

really?

lol ty

[dire crystal]

poseidon's knockback is better on the lava levels - just push em into lava and they burn in seconds

[turbid needle]

can i pick whatever for my boons

like am i stuck with what i pick later on

[maiden sparrow]

Wall stuns sure are good in Asphodel, where there basically aren't walls 75% of the time

[rugged dust]

Wall hits do a lot of damage too

[dire crystal]

it doesnt work on armored enemies and bosses dont take knockback so its a 6 second stun for...regular enemies that youll basically 1-shot by wall slamming anyway

[tawdry cairn]

Poseidon is great for spear, comboing spin dashes gets much easier when you clear the area that you land.

[strange bronze]

you're stuck only on one run, netflix

[turbid needle]

nah you'll die and they'll all go 😛 haha

[frigid robin]

yea boons stay with you forever

[strange bronze]

once you die you go back to base

[turbid needle]

oh ok cool

[frigid robin]

and you cant double stack on a value

[turbid needle]

wait wdym double stack on a value

[frigid robin]

so if you take ares attack boon, you cant get another god's attack boon

[turbid needle]

ohh ok

damn so should i be planning which ones to get

before

[maiden sparrow]

I guess some of Poseidon's wall-related boons in the hot magma area... dry up

🥁

[dire crystal]

lmao but yeah wall slam stun worthless, thanks poseidon

[frigid robin]

i mean since youre new you should try everything >:3

[turbid needle]

oh also, do knockback effects knockback harder on crits?

[dire crystal]

BA DUM TSS

not that i know of?

do they?

[turbid needle]

cos I was using pos attack on spear and arte dash for the crit

okok will do

and man

they shot enemies off at a million miles an hour

with no other upgrades to anything

[frigid robin]

but that's just a headup bc i know ive gotten incredibly lucky and found an ares boon where i only had two choices bc every other slot was full

[maiden sparrow]

pos attack on spear is hilarious in general. Combine that with the +attack range daedalus hammer buff.

[rugged dust]

@dire crystal actually you can wallhit armored enemies, the knockback is just slightly weaker I believe

[dire crystal]

i know i once got epic attack poseidon mod w/ poseidon's legendary and it made enemies completely fly off the map. hilarious, but worthless against hydra and i died

[rugged dust]

Still doesn't work on bosses though

[turbid needle]

whoever does the handdrawn art in this game is a beast

[dire crystal]

@rugged dust wallhitting isnt the issue, they are immune to the stun

[frigid robin]

sgg's art is always mwah

[dire crystal]

so the stun doesnt work until they have enough health where they will die from it anyway

[turbid needle]

Jen Zee is the real god here

[pearl willow]

armored enemies can still be knocked back/wallhit, they're just resistant to the 'flinch' effect that your attack causes enemies i think. never had the poseidon stun effect to test yet.

[dire crystal]

the poseidon effect is also blocked

ive tested it 😛

which is why its... so bad...

[rugged dust]

Yeah the wallstun is useless... I think they are just better off making that one innate with wallhits

Makes a lot more sense

[dire crystal]

nah, i dont think wallstun should innately be a thing

[turbid needle]

walls as they are now do enough stun raw

imo

[rugged dust]

Yeah actually now that I think about it

[dire crystal]

yeah same

[turbid needle]

which is why i'd never take that boon

[dire crystal]

i just think that the particular talent there is kinda worthless as it currently is. if you made it work on elites it would be somewhat useful, but its still worthless against bosses and considering those are the actual main trouble...

[turbid needle]

its like everyone is already stunlocked when I wall hit them haha

[dire crystal]

that's poseidons main issue imo. his stuff is all useful but its terrible versus bosses since it just doesnt work and he gives less damage than average

so you are stuck with a bunch of less than average boons

[maiden sparrow]

in before the 3rd zone is a labyrinth with spiked walls all over the place, and Poseidon singlehandedly carries you through the zone

[rugged dust]

So the boon should just be removed entirely?

[dire crystal]

poseidon is great for regular enemies, he just sucks versus any bosses so you just die anyway unless you have like a multi setup with like aphrodite on another attack. He isn't a god you want to focus, just a guy that's useful to have for ranged builds and for burning enemies alive in lava

his cast is real good tho actually

[maiden sparrow]

Is using his keepsake actually though?

[dire crystal]

partially because it has a range limit till it explodes so you can shoot it near people and have it explode at the right range and pick up the thing again

using his keepsake is good for darkness farming

but dont expect to win

[maiden sparrow]

Aha!

[strange bronze]

killing things real fast is also good for darkness farming :^)

[dire crystal]

yeah but double all darkness drops from the bounty is incredible

because it also doubles gold to buy as much crap from shops as possible and get even more

its not uncommon to get like 300 darkness if you get his boon real early. it also buffs max hp upgrades which is great????

like +53 health per heart is really good

[strange bronze]

oh that's really interesting

[dire crystal]

yeah having 200 max hp going into hydra is incredible

[strange bronze]

I'm imagining going into the hydra with like 400 hp and the aphro damage reduction

[dire crystal]

but you still die lol

[strange bronze]

who needs damage lol

[dire crystal]

damage > health lol

[rugged dust]

I can only think what the team can add later, and this is personal preference, but bosses could be like GW2 bosses in which they have this bar that breaks with CC effects like knockback, and once they do they become stunned

[strange bronze]

pls it's only 5500 hp

[maiden sparrow]

Funniest thing is buying that one shop item that gives +1 revive

[strange bronze]

...plus 700 per head

[dire crystal]

i mean if you go revenge damage build w/ that it could be kinda worthwhile?

[maiden sparrow]

I bought like three of them, once.

[dire crystal]

oh same, then i equipped the 200% damage at 20% hp

went ham

[rugged dust]

I don't suppose anyone else agrees with me on that idea do they?

[strange bronze]

I think something like that is pretty conceivable

[maiden sparrow]

I don't see it as necessary to be a catch-all mechanic, as I'd rather see bosses designed uniquely with their own strengths and weaknesses.

[turbid needle]

yeah I kinda like that idea

make knockback on bosses a bar that builds up

[strange bronze]

I like the balance right now where there's an amount of "breaking through" you have to do for each of their mechanics (e.g. getting heads down on the hydra)

but once you do you still have to deal with the boss itself, it's just slightly less dangerous with its added stuff

[dire crystal]

yeah

[maiden sparrow]

You already get tons of free damage if, say, you have deflect on your attack versus Meg's bullet hell attack, so peeersonally I'd rather have unique strategies based on your boons

[turbid needle]

and yeah I also like the idea of pos being good for normal enemies, bad for bosses

[strange bronze]

the bosses feel very mmo-style as far as stacking mechanics upon one another, each of which you have to meet a certain threshold to deal with or you'll get overwhelmed

[turbid needle]

what do you mean by threshold in that context?

[strange bronze]

the mmo term is "gear check"

in the hydra for example

when the heads pop up, they have a certain amount of total hp

and you need to be able to deal that amount of damage to get rid of them or you'll just get worn down by all the damage that rapidly adds up

surviving the first head phase is pretty reasonable for most builds, but then you get to 4 and it immediately becomes a lot less safe

nowhere to hide from the minigun attack, etc.

but if you have the damage to get the heads down quickly, you open up a ton of space for yourself and that makes handling the encounter trivial

you just have to hit that damage threshold

[ornate forge]

the general strategy is just kill them before they kill you

[dire crystal]

yeahhh

[ornate forge]

unless you have a good set of abilities and can kill mobs quickly you're done for

[maiden sparrow]

That's kind of why I like Meg's fight way more. You at least grow used to her, what, five different attacks?

[turbid needle]

yeah that doesnt sound any more like an mmo than any other game boss to me but im not an mmo player idk haha

[maiden sparrow]

The Hydra's like "Doesn't matter if you know my moves, if there are six of them overlapping, you're actually just dead"

[turbid needle]

meg also has the bonus of being a character

which is always more likeable haha

[strange bronze]

it's not the least frustrating design in the world, that's for sure

[errant narwhal]

can you imagine the hydra just chilling at the lounge

[strange bronze]

but it's a pretty tried and true type of boss design to essentially force a gear minimum

[ornate forge]

a lot of the game needs tweaking but it just hit early access so that's expected

[errant narwhal]

u come home after dying and its like "sup"

[strange bronze]

also I'm guessing the hydra is tuned to be a final boss right now

[maiden sparrow]

I almost hope the Hydra is a work-in-progress placeholder-y style boss

[strange bronze]

and will not be tuned that aggressively in the end

[ornate forge]

dead cells did that in early beta

[strange bronze]

like assuming they fix the sweet surrender bug with aphrodite

[subtle walrus]

Hydra is a professional raised assassin

[ornate forge]

they had this big eye boss and it was way too overpowered to make up for the lack of content

[proud storm]

the hydra carries you back to the pool of styx when you die

[strange bronze]

a LOT of easy hydra kill builds will become a bit more difficult

[subtle walrus]

Hydra has no time to talk with targets

[ornate forge]

I want hydra to just hang over the lounge door ala skeleton dragons from castlevania

[subtle walrus]

What do you call a snake assassin?

[strange bronze]

I do actually like that the hydra forces you to learn how to make synergy out of the random boons given to you

[subtle walrus]

hitsnake?

hitreptile?

[maiden sparrow]

Hydra actually shows up behind the bar in the lounge wearing a nice hat, and serves drinks

[dire crystal]

asssssssssasssssssssssssin

[strange bronze]

it's a good way to set you up for success for later in the game......if a bit un-subtle

[dire crystal]

The King's Cobra

[errant narwhal]

whats the cap on olympian favor?

[proud storm]

which one's that

[open mural]

50%

[errant narwhal]

woahh

[strange bronze]

50%, jeez

[maiden sparrow]

Sounds like a lot of Darkness

[strange bronze]

the trinkets are like 30% rare chance too

[open mural]

Yeah, I just tested

Wonder if the God's Pride is same

[strange bronze]

god's pride is 25%

[errant narwhal]

yeah

[proud storm]

god's pride is 25%

[open mural]

Okay, good to know

[errant narwhal]

wouldve been too good otherwise, i think

[strange bronze]

trinkets are 10% epic and 10% legendary as well

[pearl willow]

you can max everything at around 7600 darkness, the last two cap at 50 and 25 respectively

[maiden sparrow]

Does beating Hydra give a lot of darkness, or something?

[proud storm]

40

[dire crystal]

jesus yaeh

its a grindy game lol

[ornate forge]

If anything, it's not grindy enough

[turbid needle]

its a roguelike 😛

[strange bronze]

yeah, you'll run out after like

[turbid needle]

exactly

[errant narwhal]

thats kind of the nature of roguelites isnt it

[ornate forge]

About 10 hours in and I already don't care about darkness

[strange bronze]

10-12ish hours? depending on how efficient you are in darkness farming

[turbid needle]

I would expect this to be a lot more drawn out in the final build

[maiden sparrow]

it's probably balanced around there being more than 2 zones, and runs being able to go further than Hydra.

[turbid needle]

yeah

[maiden sparrow]

So I reckon it's fine.

[spring oyster]

just barely beat hydra using a Zeus Aegis build. Found out that autoattack is proximity based even with invulnerable creatures >w<

[strange bronze]

there's more darkness perks in the game data already that just aren't being used right now

[turbid needle]

seems like they've done a lot to make this version fun

[pearl willow]

it's only a grind if you aren't having fun, i've enjoyed near every run so far (except one hopeless sword run lol)

[turbid needle]

as opposed to how it will be in 1.0

[proud storm]

did someone peek into the game data to put the entire hades codex entry in the wiki

hades*

[strange bronze]

I only looked to assess mechanics

I won't look at story data

[ornate forge]

damn

[spring oyster]

As long as Epic doesn't get into trouble for its Data Analytics practices this game is going to be the next best action game of the year.

[errant narwhal]

oh hey vulajin i just realized its you

i love your speedruns

[uncut solar]

i almost killed hydra 😦

[spring oyster]

Even though Dead Cells has a lot more upgrades and such, i prefer this games fighting mechanics.

[strange bronze]

hi alma, ty

omg

this emote

[uncut solar]

Which is the best god trait?

[strange bronze]

sweet surrender <_<

[uncut solar]

i like that of ares + aphroite

[spring oyster]

sweet surrender by far

Probably will get nerf batted so very hard.

[turbid needle]

oh yeaaah, I've seen you on gdq videos

[strange bronze]

there's an actual bug in their damage calculation related to sweet surrender so yeah lol

[spring oyster]

I 2 phased the hydra with a sweet surrender at rank 5 and spear with increased range and damage.

[strange bronze]

expect it not to stay

I mean, the trait itself should stick around

[uncut solar]

is there anything else after hydra?

[strange bronze]

and honestly 50% damage increase seems pretty reasonable, powerful traits seem fine

[uncut solar]

do u ever go on earth?

[turbid needle]

not currently but there will be

[strange bronze]

not presently

[turbid needle]

early access my boi

[spring oyster]

28/27 floors only so far

[strange bronze]

but right now a sweet surrender boon of "50% increased damage" actually means you deal 125% increased damage

because multiplication

[turbid needle]

yikes haha

[spring oyster]

I hope they do something great with chaos... like making it extra floors you can access lower and lower with enemies but each rung down costs life. High risk high reward.

[turbid needle]

yeah chaos seems like a definitely plot point eventually

but who can say

[spring oyster]

I trust SG. They know how to make things fun and entertaining.

[turbid needle]

anyone have tips for hte bodyslam enemies early in the game?

[spring oyster]

dodge.

Remember that dash isn't a blink, you still have a physical form so you can't "blink through" attacks, unless you have an invulnerable boon. You have to dash away from damage.

[turbid needle]

yup I trust them completely at this point

[maiden sparrow]

Have a wall between you and them, and kite them around it, if you have to. Generally it just comes down to keeping an eye on them, and dodging to the side.

[turbid needle]

and yeah, dodge and dodge early

[dire crystal]

you ever just get 200 dollars in the meg fight cuz all the enemies still drop gold like normal

[turbid needle]

as soon as they get to your position and start the animation, dont wait for them to move first would be my advice

[dire crystal]

stay away from them if possible, wait for their dash to end and repeatedly wall slam them if they dont have armor, otherwise, just outrange them until they dont

[frigid robin]

you can however dash between gaps and objects @turbid needle so if you need a quick getaway you can do that too

[maiden sparrow]

Don't let the chubby ghost win

[spring oyster]

I can't wait until game goes live and some youtuber makes a dash only build.

[dire crystal]

has anyone else had the glitch where random objects in asphodel decide they just wanna slide off the screen

[spring oyster]

What would be the best dash build for dash only? Athena?

[maiden sparrow]

Aphro, probably.

[dire crystal]

Either aphro or zeus

both viable

[spring oyster]

Yeah, meant aphro.

[frigid robin]

also yea noine

i saw a pillar go by me once

[dire crystal]

aphro better tho cuz teh damage amp on weak

[frigid robin]

it was p funny lmao

[dire crystal]

lmao nice glad its not just me

[strange bronze]

aphro dash is real good, even if you happen to not get sweet surrender

[fluid moat]

Zeus you can do a full run where if you get Thunder Dash early using the trinket, you just Pom Upgrade that 1 boon for the rest of the run

[wintry tulip]

@dire crystal yeah, we’re working on that!

[dire crystal]

😛 nice

its very funny every time i see it

10/10

😮

i should stream me playing this shouldnt i

[maiden sparrow]

I thought it was some spooky magma fish swimming by

... Until I saw debris move along with it

[dire crystal]

lol

[spring oyster]

I love bugs, i can only imagine the "fun" the troubleshooting is to figure out "what is causing this to swim away?"

[dire crystal]

ikkr

[turbid needle]

which attacks can interrupt enemies?

[strange bronze]

all

[turbid needle]

do i have to time it right

[strange bronze]

as long as they don't have yellow armor

[turbid needle]

oh

ok

[strange bronze]

if they're yellow, you have to break through the armor, but they can't be interrupted until you do

[turbid needle]

i see

[fluid moat]

you can interrupt them using the Spear Charge up Primary attack on some enemies that have armor

you can also accidentally launch some enemies off stage using the spear charge up attack killing them instantly

[pseudo tapir]

Afro and zeus are too good compared to others

Aphro*

[dreamy compass]

I thought aphro sucked

[pseudo tapir]

Naah

[dreamy compass]

the weak status isnt that good

[frigid robin]

oof

weak is awesome

[dire crystal]

ITS VERY GOOD

[dreamy compass]

the -50% damage taken passive is op though

[frigid robin]

reduced damaged

[dire crystal]

50% is incredible

[fluid moat]

yeah the passive + weak is insane right now

[turbid needle]

that is the weak status

[strange bronze]

oh man lavinsky

[fluid moat]

and sweet surrender

[pseudo tapir]

You can also get the "deal extra damage towards weak opponents"

[strange bronze]

so what you want to know is

[frigid robin]

weak enemies take more damage is also mwah

[strange bronze]

the "sweet surrender" passive which makes your weak effects increase damage to enemies by 50%

it applies twice

[dire crystal]

alright im streaming my bad gameplay now, hopefully this lets me record and catch the bugs i find to submit videos

woo

[strange bronze]

so 50% increase would actually be a 125% increase

it's super broken

[dreamy compass]

oh

[fluid moat]

then just pick up a crit from artemis and you can ruin the hopes and dreams of anything in a second or 2

[dreamy compass]

i didnt know about that

zeus+spear is super strong

[turbid needle]

even without that aphro is great

[frigid robin]

aphro is probably best girl rn esp for like bow

[turbid needle]

the weak effect is super nice

arte is best girl for bow

[fluid moat]

I highly suggest trying poseidon bow if you havent

[turbid needle]

that crit dash with the power shot

mmm

[frigid robin]

zeus has some nice stuff he just isnt
as powerful

[turbid needle]

pos bow is funny

[frigid robin]

i mean YEA also that but aphro is my gf

[turbid needle]

pos anything is pretty funny haha

[frigid robin]

so

[turbid needle]

ahaha

[fluid moat]

yeah I love poseidon right now hahaha

[pseudo tapir]

Why poseidon?

[turbid needle]

the spear special knockback is so ridic

[fluid moat]

the pushback is really fun to work with

[frigid robin]

i also love art but im a sucker for pink character designs so

[turbid needle]

first time i saw it was like christ

how and why haha

[pseudo tapir]

I dislike pushback

[turbid needle]

not special** charge up attack

[dreamy compass]

i found spear by far the strongest weapon

along with shield

[turbid needle]

is what I mean

t

[tawdry cairn]

Knockback is great, wall smash damage is well worth the effort

[fluid moat]

a lot of difficulty with possitioning is getting zoned and surrounded, but with poseidon pushback you can just box things out from being able to approach you, makes surviving nice if you feel comfortable trying to switch up a play style

[turbid needle]

yeah its great to get some breathing room in non boss rooms

[fluid moat]

yeah

[pseudo tapir]

Well... not when you get to level 2

[turbid needle]

makes sword special usable too

negating the huge cooldown with just making sure nothing is ever onscreen with you haha

[tawdry cairn]

enemies take damage in lava too. kockback is even better in Asph

[fluid moat]

also, poseidon Primary attack boon, stacks with the shield pushback, so you basically get 2x pushback effect on shield 😂 so you just hit something once and it's on the other side of the map hahahahaha

[dire crystal]

its great on shield

[turbid needle]

yeah lol

[dire crystal]

then you get his legendary and 4x knockback to just

wheeee

[fluid moat]

oh god I have yet to have that cocme up in a run yet

I want it so bad

[turbid needle]

for some reason I got insane pushback on crit with the fully charged spear attack

like way too much

with no other boons effecting it, so idk what that's about

[fluid moat]

what do you mean? like what boons are you trying to stack?

[limpid ember]

I can't stand poseidon pushback, it's so annoying lol

Just sit there while I smack you

[pseudo tapir]

How much theoretical damage can you do with one hit? I did 1.2k once

[fluid moat]

I had a 2.5k crit 2 days ago

[pseudo tapir]

Ow crazy

[tawdry cairn]

If you count multishot with artemis' cast ability at lvl 6+ probably like 3K

[fluid moat]

I think 3k is possible if you get something ridiculous, but after they fix Sweet Surrender (weak causes enemies to take more) it'll be lower

yeah I imagine something ludicrous from casting could be doable too

[tawdry cairn]

I forgot about weak causing more dmg boon. Probboly more for sure lol

[fluid moat]

artemis dash + sweet surrender + primary attack buff + artemis crit damage buff + full charged spear is how I stacked for the crit

[pseudo tapir]

Did something similar

as well as a crit multiplier

+50% crit dmg

[fluid moat]

word

[turbid needle]

@fluid moat I wasnt stacking anything, just had arte dash and pos attack, both of which only at a low-ish level, and the knockback on the spear charge was insane for some reason, far more than i've seen elsewhere, just instantly knocking enemies far off screen

and yeah that crit stack is great, especially with the crits do more damage one

also, I think the crits do more damage to armour boon carries over extra damage to the normal health bar

[proud storm]

this is how you can tell someone has the unhealthy fixation buff https://i.imgur.com/H6GxVyd.png

[strange bronze]

it does if the enemy starts with armor, yeah

[turbid needle]

so if someone has a tiny bit of armour left you still do the extra ton of damage to their red health

[pseudo tapir]

Oof the 500% shield atk

[fluid moat]

huh okay

[pseudo tapir]

I find the best build to be a dash build

[turbid needle]

yeah the dash boons can be great

[pseudo tapir]

Most consistant damage

[errant narwhal]

i beat the hydra with passion dash, its ridiculously good

im doing a cast build rn because i went with the sword for extra darkness

[pseudo tapir]

:O

[strange bronze]

yeah, my second hydra kill was pash spam

[pseudo tapir]

Maybe the lightning is better?

[dire crystal]

yeeeee

[strange bronze]

I had these other attacks but it was like

[ornate forge]

artemis (homing shot) is the best cast build

[strange bronze]

what if I just

dash on his face

repeatedly

[dire crystal]

artemis is best cast build

[ornate forge]

also multishot

[dire crystal]

though to be fair, poseidon's cast aoe is enormous and incredible

but the multishot makes artemis best

[pseudo tapir]

What is ares even good for?

[grand eagle]

bow

his curse of agony is great on bow

[ornate forge]

ares' surge is good when upgraded, can deal 40+ damage per tick

also yeah his curse damage is great

[tidal marten]

I liked Ares with spear for the curse, kinda hit and run kiting strategy

[turbid needle]

ares is good for making sure you dont have too many good runs in a row 😛

[grand eagle]

sounds about right

[pseudo tapir]

Lmao

[dire crystal]

ares does good damge with shield bounce too

[tawdry cairn]

I like at least one of Aries' buffs for damage suplement, but if I see him more then once I'm never happy.

[pseudo tapir]

Might try him out once

His cast is nice

[tawdry cairn]

I prefer Aphrodite's cast where short range casts are concerned.

[dire crystal]

aphros isnt bad damage wise but it kinda ruins the point of a cast imo

[pearl willow]

aphro cast feels good imo, seems to fire quickly and makes picking up the stones less of an issue.

[tawdry cairn]

I had a run where most of my dmg came from Ares curses, Aphros cast was helpful for dealing with masses of mobs in Megs fight

[pseudo tapir]

On spear?

[opal solstice]

Its weird that people claim poseidons boons aren't very good, when knockback and traps do tons of damage to enemies.
It's just a different playstyle

Honestly most of the complaints about underpowered weapons or boons usually comes from people not using them correctly

[dire crystal]

they do a ton of damage but they are worthless on bosses

so you cant rely on poseidon's boons as a main source of damage

[turbid needle]

yeah but he does just give you a lot of raw damage as well as knockback

[dire crystal]

most of poseidons im fine with though

[turbid needle]

so its totally useable with other boons too

[dire crystal]

eh

other gods give more damage honestly

[turbid needle]

nah

[dire crystal]

but its useful nonetheless

[turbid needle]

its about the same

in terms of the raw attack damage ones

[dire crystal]

the only thing i really dont like is that one stun boon

its worthless

[turbid needle]

yeah

[dire crystal]

aphro is way higher in general

[errant narwhal]

aw almost beat meg with poseidon cast only

[dire crystal]

but she is op so

[errant narwhal]

a witch killed me bc i had no death defies left

[dire crystal]

gg

time for me to run poseidon cast

[tawdry cairn]

Skull Earring seems like hands down the best keepsake right? Because of death defiance you can spend so long at low health.

[pseudo tapir]

Yea

As long as you get 2 centaur hearts

Or more

[autumn yarrow]

not unless there are boons you want or need hp for boss fight, there are some situations I'd say

[dire crystal]

it takes 3 before it activates actually

its not the best to start with, but its one of the best to pickup after you beat meg

[worn fulcrum]

You need three, because it only works at <20%

[opal solstice]

Poseidon mostly gives you guaranteed crowd control which helps you get to bosses and survive on higher hp

Especially in the lava sections

[worn fulcrum]

I would usually rather start with a fixed boon, honestly

[pseudo tapir]

Fair point

[opal solstice]

Really really good to get the enemies in the lava

[dire crystal]

its very good yes

im not saying poseidon is in a bad plus

[pseudo tapir]

Not possible everywhere though

[dire crystal]

just that as it is now, he isnt worth to focus. just pick up a perk from him for that knockback and abuse lava damage

since those bombers have way too much health lol

[opal solstice]

He needs something to help him out a tad

Maybe a slowdown on enemies

[dire crystal]

he basically is a good supplement for any build but he isnt a build main

yeah see a slowdown would be way better than a wall stun

[pseudo tapir]

Mhm

[dreamy compass]

what do you guys think is the best combo so far?

[tawdry cairn]

Spear with hunters dash. You get the crit bonus every time you do a charge+dash and you have insane crowd control

more boons just make it better, but you only need hunters dash

[dire crystal]

artemis dash crit + aphrodite attack buff

[turbid needle]

yeah all that and weak enemies take more damage + crits do more daamge

[pseudo tapir]

Spear. Aphro atk bonus. Aphro weak atk bonus. Zeus dash

[turbid needle]

nah the arte dash for sure is more dps

[opal solstice]

I reckon poseidon would be more viable with a minor effect on bosses. Like a percentage reduction on the knockback effects, and some revenge values (ala KH2)

[worn fulcrum]

Everything multiplicative in this game is really good

[dire crystal]

i mean the hydra has no walls and cant get hit with lava

so i dont think it would be any more viable right now

when they introduce more bosses and stuff, probably tho

[opal solstice]

I reckon the mini hydra heads should be the main focus of knockback in that fight. Give them obstacles near their heads to hit

(I think you might be able to hit their heads into the two walls currently present? I'll have to test it out)

[dire crystal]

not sure

they dont take knockback at all last i checked so

good luck

[tawdry cairn]

If they reduced the health of the heads and put in more ads I think the fight would be more interesting. Right now it's just tanking shots from the heads until you can get a few of them down. I guess it sets it apart from the Meg fight being more focused on the boss though.

[dire crystal]

i think the hydra is a more interesting fight but it needs some tuning

[dire crystal]

Engulfing Vortex - Your cast and attack create a blade rift that pulls people in

oh this is gonna be fun

[harsh kelp]

I got the Artemis Legendary

[dire crystal]

niceee

[harsh kelp]

where your attack and cast spawn an extra true shot

and I tell you what

oh oops

my apologies

but yeah it does crazy damage lmao

Spear has to be my favorite weapon

[dire crystal]

oh yeah those are great

the hydra attack where he instantly shoves you offscreen with one of the side heads and you can't find yourself... thats fun....

[crude wharf]

@dire crystal my favorite yes

[bright mulch]

I kinda hope they don't spam adds too much in boss fights. I feel like recent boss design in a lot of games right now is getting worse because the devs just barf adds in your face

On meg it's not too bad because normally I can burn her down before the adds become a problem, but overall I've come to dislike too many adds because at a certain point I'm not even fighting the boss I'm fighting a horde of adds which is just the normal gameplay loop

[dire crystal]

lol

yeah

[thin glacier]

2nd boss is nice with the flames and the countdown

[dire crystal]

i mean atleast in the meg fight you get money for every kill still

lmao

[harsh kelp]

I've only got to Meg lol

Beat her once tho so that was nice

[thin glacier]

Getting hydra on farmstatus slowly. 6th kill today

Cant wait to spend my keys on new content :<

[bright mulch]

Got to my first hydra yesterday with Spear and bunch of Zeus talents, felt nice, didn't even expect to get there since I was riding real low on the last couple of rooms

Didn't kill the hydra though

[thin glacier]

Hydra is ridiculous. You either steamroll her or you die. Had one fight where it was mostly even.

[bright mulch]

That's what I felt yeah. 30 secs into whacking the head and I kind of pieced together I didn't have enough DPS or talent synergy to reasonably kill her before she got me

[thin glacier]

The best strat so far, as you mentioned:
High dps or good synergy.
Also having all skills upgraded with boons helps. Sometimes its the 30 dmg you need from the lightning dash

[worn fulcrum]

My one Hydra kill I took out 75% of its health with four casts

Was not even close

[thin glacier]

Yeah. Casting is super strong right now

[worn fulcrum]

Other fights I've had I've died in stage... 3? because I actually need to do fair things

[thin glacier]

most of my kills came from having one cast upgraded very strong. Upgrading your shard-pool helps also

Spam her down. I prefer the heatseeking arrows

Upgraded they can be devestating

[worn fulcrum]

yep, it was an Artemis build with multicast

[thin glacier]

I got her down with bow and arrow, no charge time and zeus attack + legendary boon
Also once with Neptulons Legendary.
The rooms before were easy as heck, even armored minions drop into lava and die asap

Shield and neptulon is beyond broken anyways

[bright mulch]

Haven't seen any legendaries yet, they sound fun

[worn fulcrum]

I'm really liking shield in general

[bright mulch]

Cast seems really strong the few times I invested into it but I just find it so boring lol

[thin glacier]

I abused cast to grind out all the upgrades

[bright mulch]

Neat

[thin glacier]

Some boons are so op in early games, if they roll epic. Zeus' dash can carry you to the first boss.

[worn fulcrum]

Most epics can carry you to the first boss, I think

[bright mulch]

Yeah Zeus dash was pulling mad weight in the 2nd zone for me

[worn fulcrum]

Maybe not spear special upgrades, but otherwise

[narrow girder]

Zeus's dash and cast are fantastic, I use the thunder signet in tartarus so i can get one of them early

[thin glacier]

I usually go dash attacking when I get zeus' dash

[bright mulch]

I had Spear charge upgrade for fast charge and it was super fun

[thin glacier]

I love charges

[bright mulch]

Made dealing with the yellow bombers, both types, much easier

[thin glacier]

they are usually my go to tool when I dont have any armor penetration

[bright mulch]

Yeah much better when you can't easily break the armor

[thin glacier]

50% crit on meele attacks, that works on the charge is a bliss

[bright mulch]

I wish the sword was better, it's my favorite aesthetically but it just doesn't stack up to the Spear or Shield which are super fun to play with. I feel like the lack of a charge move for the sword hurts it a lot, also maybe it's just me but I find the special to be so blah

[turbid needle]

Special cooldown animation is too long imo

[bright mulch]

Even the bow I had much more fun with even though I normally don't jive with bow gameplay in most games

[turbid needle]

For it to be as good as the other weapons

[bright mulch]

Yeah it's like there's this huge delay on Sword Special but the others get these fast ranged-options and it's like what?

[thin glacier]

I love sword when I have either one of those upgrades:
-Spammable attacks without thrust
-+100% T-Pose range (Actually had a hydra kill with T-Pose build. Mad thing crits for 300+)
-Double crit hit after dash

First goes amazingly with zeus' lightning attack

[turbid needle]

Love that double crit hit one

[thin glacier]

2nd is self explanatory (preferably with Persefone)

[turbid needle]

So much fun

[thin glacier]

3rd with crit setup and eventually Neptulon swings can win runs

[turbid needle]

400% damage slash is also good

[bright mulch]

Yeah I had a good roll once with Flurry attack and like Lvl.4 Zeus attack or something
First time I beat meg

[thin glacier]

Yeah but it killed me too often :(

So slow

[bright mulch]

Yeah if earth splitter was just a bit faster it'd be great

[thin glacier]

T-Pose on the other hand

ooo man

Dash-Pose-Dash-Pose

Crit everything to death

[bright mulch]

I wish it was like a whirlwind spin instead of a T-Pose though lol. The pose just doesn't make sense to me thematically

[thin glacier]

Remove the pose, make it a green-flamey consecration

I cant wait for other gods! :D

[turbid needle]

Same 😄

[thin glacier]

When we beat the game, we should have access to Hades' boons imo

[bright mulch]

Yeah I'd be fine with like driving the blade into the ground, just the pose though it's like ???

[thin glacier]

Shield throw is beyond annoying to me in stage 2

it straight up just vanishes sometimes for about 30 seconds

Damn boomerang

[sick quest]

hi

i think aphro need a little nerf its so op

i kill hydra in phase 2

Q with aphro epic lvl 3 232% damage +78% damage vs weak i deal 980 damage per Q i just 6 shoot hydra

[strange bronze]

yeah, the reason is the damage vs weak buff gets multiplied into your damage twice

(not intentionally, I'm guessing)

that said, you can get some builds that skip hydra phases without using it

I think it's pretty intended that you can trivialize the harder bosses by utilizing the darkness perks that increase the chance of rare/epic boons and the artifacts/trinkets/relics/whatever they are that increase your favored god's boon strength

[trail orbit]

just had a fairly silly hydra clear, I was using a shield with pretty much no damage at all (and surge (the epic was too shiny (ye gods surge is bad))) and I had a lot of hp, so I just used the shield to block everything while zeus damage on hit killed things

[strange bronze]

hahahaha

[kind fiber]

Yeah, they are aware of the power lvl of her dash and her bonus vs weak enemies

[strange bronze]

awesome

[sick quest]

i try foud best god and aphro its god tier i think

[trail orbit]

took forever tho

[dreamy compass]

are cast builds any good?

[trail orbit]

really good

[dreamy compass]

i just got past megera, cant even deal with stage 2 mobs x.x

[sick quest]

arthemis good with cast

[kind fiber]

They can be very good. Its most ideal for for your cast build to be supported by the artemis passive to duplicate cast casts

[dire cedar]

@dreamy compass try kiting around the arena. sometimes they jump into lava on their own accord. If you have knockback via shield or Poseidon, try to knockt hem into lava.

[neon arrow]

I like Ares cast

[sick quest]

just take a good cast then zeus or arthemis and its cood

[trail orbit]

the thing with asphodel mobs is that pretty much all have armour, so you need good range and dash like mad

[neon arrow]

Doesn’t stick on foe, you can get away with low level of it and still useful

[sick quest]

ares good too but with arthe no very good combo

[kind fiber]

@neon arrow Well there is an ares passive to make it track enemies and apparently his legendary pulls enemies into the cast

[trail orbit]

aphrodite's is good too

[kind fiber]

Yeah, I just used it. Would have been far better if I had one of artemis's cast passives

Or aphrodite's bonus to weak passive

[trail orbit]

Ya, you need aphrodite's passive

otherwise it's pretty meh

[sick quest]

@trail orbit aphro good but little range vs hydra and all mob in asphodel its hard

[neon arrow]

Yeah I wouldn’t go that far... I usually avoid Ares as much as possible. But when I stuck with him, I go cast

[trail orbit]

you don't need range when you oneshoot peeps :V

[kind fiber]

@trail orbit It scales with upgrades pretty well. It will probably be better in the full release of the game

[sick quest]

sure but if you dont have weak vs damage its llittle hard ^^

[trail orbit]

yeah, if you don't have the weak increases damage boon the cast ain't good, but i'm saying that with it, the cast oneshots mobs

3 or 4 shots heads

[sick quest]

ares left click and Q need a little upgrade i dont see a utility of them

[kind fiber]

I was 2 shotting heads with the passive and enough upgrades.

[neon arrow]

I’m sensing a large hp buff to hydra heads

[sick quest]

i think not need that its hard when you staqrt phase 4

[strange bronze]

I don't think that's very likely, lol

the hydra's already really difficult when you get to him

[kind fiber]

We probably wont see a huge buff to the hydra in the near future

Just large nerfs to certain damage builds

Like aphrodite's + dam to weak and artemis's + crit damage

[sick quest]

+1

[kind fiber]

I strongly suspect that artemis's dash is too strong as well, but they might not think thats the case

[sick quest]

just down a little weak vs damage i think

[frigid robin]

i hope there arent super large nerfs

[sick quest]

need buff and nerf i thnik

[frigid robin]

i enjoy being strong

[sick quest]

think*

[kind fiber]

Sure, but it seems like some of the builds are far strong than they should be

[sick quest]

@kind fiber you think ares need a buff for is left click and Q or its nor utile ?

not*

[frigid robin]

idk i would rather they buff the options than nerf others

bc these boss fights are hard

so nerfs to viable builds is just mmm

[rapid kraken]

I kinda hope they buff the other boon to get them to Aphrodite level

[sick quest]

and change the leg aphro just useless xd

[kind fiber]

@sick quest Personally opinion is that delayed damage mechanic is too weak and needs to either work with multi applications or needs to scale with certain damage increases that isn't yet scaling with

[sick quest]

sure

[strange bronze]

Increased damage to weak enemies will hopefully not be directly nerfed, but the damage calculation will get fixed and that will reduce its effect to be more in line with other deities hopefully

Most likely

[frigid robin]

thats just a bug fix overall so while it'' be sad it has to be done

[sick quest]

i think arthe no need to nerf its good not deal lot of damage

but aphro just take her and you clean the game

[kind fiber]

Perhaps her dash is granting her left clicks too much crit? Maybe it's crit should be lowered to like 40% but effect everything

[sick quest]

take Q of sword and take buff weapon crit 3 s seen the same ^^

[worn fulcrum]

I think like 90% of multiplicative stuff is too good right now

Other than Artemis crit stuff, because that's kind of its niche

Hunter Dash probably shouldn't work with the spear spin attack, though, since Quick Reflexes doesn't

[fallen lintel]

buffs are more important than nerfs i agree

[turbid needle]

How does crit build work anyway? Every time I try it never seems to work out well

[stable oyster]

Use hunter dash and another gods attack that ups damage

[royal coral]

how much time I have for the counter attack from avenging Gain, so i get the heal?

[granite jackal]

When you take Damage your Health Bar has a faded Blue section.

It's kind of hard to see and fades very quickly.

Attacking during this Blue section's existence will refill it.

After it fades, you've lost that HP permanently.

[royal coral]

ok thank u

[thin glacier]

time to practice I guess

[royal coral]

I've the feeling like spear and sword are the worst weapons... or am i just not good enough with them?

[thin glacier]

Sword works best with three upgrades imo
-No thrust but quick attacks
-T-Pose-Build
-Double Crit on Charge

First with Zeus', Aphrodites or Crit boon

2nd with Aphrodite or crit Damage increase / crit damage increase

3rd with full crit build abd armor penetration

Thats how sword works best for me. Spear on the other hand is viable in many ways. Ranged, Meele, Charge

[regal valve]

Spear is... 🥁 godlike

Really all you need is a 500% armor piercing upgrade and a healthy amount of backstab damage with the special.

Everything else is just stacking damage effects and the spear will get you to Asphodel with some good ol fashion dodging and q spam.

[royal coral]

i'm mean i'm relativ new to the game, but i never get something with the spear :/

[thin glacier]

Spear is amazing with pracrically all boons imo

I love tossing spears. Its so satisfying

[regal valve]

even without the armor killer upgrade, spear is fantastic out the box. Charge from cover until you get used to the timing and then just stun lock with the left click.

toss the spear at the mine guys or anything else that annoys you from range like witches and you'll have a decent time.

[thin glacier]

Charging also works against armored minions. So you necessarily dont need armor penetration, if you are good and got the 50% crit on attack / +100% from Aphrodite

Timing is very important though

if you are in the wrong rhythm, you will get murdered by floating skulls

[regal valve]

skulls are the devil.

[royal coral]

can u interup charging attacks from foals ? like the skulls

[thin glacier]

not if armored

[regal valve]

Yeah, that's the easy way to kill them actually.

[pearl willow]

i've used spear q like twice. though i've not bothered to upgrade it either, i usually just prefer dancing around and stabbing stuff.

[regal valve]

Wait till they charge and then hit them with your charge and they go down.

or you'll at least armor break them.

usually it means they die.

[thin glacier]

usually they die within a charged crit

in my experience

[regal valve]

I'll go out and test that real quick.

gimme a few minutes

[thin glacier]

In very early games, floating skulls dont even require crits afaik

But thats without armor

[worn fulcrum]

they have 30 without armor and I think 80 with?

[regal valve]

just tested

no armor a level 1 charge will kill a base skull

with armor you need a max charge

[thin glacier]

Yep

[regal valve]

this is no crits or backstabs

q with max backstab kills a base

I think its enough to armor break too

[thin glacier]

charge really changed the way I play

[regal valve]

I just enjoy the spear toss with peirce

first thing I thought was " God armor OP" then I found that and I was like " Yes... thank you Dadelus!"

then after that I learned how to play and can deal with stuff better.

@royal coral so yeah. Spear. Dodge and Charge. use the q every so often.

[unkempt spruce]

Spear is insane. The Charge/Dash trick is so abusable.

[languid charm]

Its even more abusable when u have artemis dash.

[bright mulch]

Yeah the charge is great, putting it on deck as enemies spawn feels so good

Hopefully one day the sword will feel as good as the spear

[unkempt spruce]

I was a sword main until I learned how to play Spear and now I drop hydras left and right. Need to go back to the sword.

[bright mulch]

I tried that until I beat meg, then I finally tried the other weapons and just felt sad lol

[hearty briar]

How is your ranking? Shield > Spear > Bow > Sword?

[dreamy compass]

you guys think the sword is even worth using?

@unkempt spruce Spear+artemis dash+faster charge upgrade is op

[unkempt spruce]

true that lavinsky

[grand eagle]

According to the feedback list the sword isn't really worth using

[bright mulch]

It is if you like hard mode lol

[worn fulcrum]

Wow, Sweet Surrender gives you a ridiculous amount of damage

I know it's broken right now, but still

[versed mesa]

I just finished for the first time with shield and aphrodite boons

and it was easy relative to every other time/combination i've played

[indigo compass]

yeah aphrodite has that effect:p

[thin glacier]

I think I make another Shield Poseidon run

[graceful igloo]

is there any good stuff in Poseidon's boons?

[thin glacier]

for shield?

Poseidon + shield go hand in hand.
Knockback, Stun on Wallbang, Stronger Wallbang, Double-Knockback

[south comet]

wow I didn't ever see anything like that from poseidon! and the shield is my favorite one. I should use his boons more often then

[indigo compass]

can be a hinderence tho, knockback can be stupid in asphhodel

[thin glacier]

how?

[strange bronze]

it's fun to try as long as you're not too impatient

it'll make some rooms take longer

because things will go flying

[indigo compass]

witches and the like tend to just hover over lava and spam u:p

[thin glacier]

there is unlimited lava and double knockback sends even away armored minions flying

[indigo compass]

wait till u get all hovering enemie:p

at once:p

[thin glacier]

Well, I won a run with poseidon shield today

and you usually has to get deflect in some way

otherwise you're dead

[strange bronze]

yeah, witches in asphodel are pretty annoying, that's true

[indigo compass]

havent used deflect for ny run

[strange bronze]

but you can still lure them to you

you just....have to do that repeatedly lol

[indigo compass]

they dont allways comply:p

specially the rooms with the little bit of lave in the middle:p

[thin glacier]

I usually charge over it with my shield

while charging you block all incoming projectiles

you just gotta position yourself very good

[indigo compass]

when ur surrounded tho it can still mess u up:p

but yeah some rooms can be a little chaotic imo

[latent badger]

damn I just beat the hydra with aphro dash and extra damage to weak. In like six seconds. Insane

[bright mulch]

If the witches float too far away you can always captain america them

[south comet]

well then you risk losing the shield for a good ten seconds haha

[fallen lintel]

sword is worth using if you're already using it

[bright mulch]

So many times getting an aphro boon and I've never seen this bonus damage to weak lol feels bad man

[fallen lintel]

otherwise it's a downgrade from the other weapons

[bright mulch]

Basically

[fallen lintel]

i cant stand using anything else as of yet

and i still have fun with the sword

ill use some other stuff eventually prob

so you use it if you have fun with it

oh crap it's here

eee

booting hades up asap

[dire crystal]

yooo

these patch notes look dope

very excite

[south comet]

same

i want to play so badly

[fallen lintel]

more damage yeet

[dire crystal]

all those ares buffs... heck yeah

[graceful igloo]

i just closed the game because my eye is tearing up from the sickness, guess we're gonna play through pain 😄

[sage sky]

Also, all the surges are gone

[flint totem]

Well I am for one excited to see the new dashes in action

[sage sky]

So, things to redo with this patch : A spear special run, a shield special run, an artemis shot run, a sword run, a bow run, and an ares run. Am I missing anything ?

[bright mulch]

Player briefly invulnerable in end-of-encounter slow-mo moments

THANK GOD

Glad to see Sword buffs too

[flint totem]

So we can no longer kill ourselves on lava in part two after killing a room?

Is that what that means?

[bright mulch]

Sometimes I forget the bomb throwers junkrat when they die

[sage sky]

It means you won't get hit for 24 if you kill a bloodless bomber and don't spam the dash to get away

[bright mulch]

Exactly

[flint totem]

Like no damage leaving a room is also in there

[bright mulch]

I've run into other scenarios too where hitboxes persit just a bit too long and kill me after the encounter is over

[flint totem]

So the annoying thing about misjudging the boat and taking damage was a thing that I know happened to me at least

[thin glacier]

BAM

another succesfull shield run

[flint totem]

Sweet now do it with the new patch?

[bright mulch]

Glad to see the dash surges gone as well, curious to see what the new ones will do

[hoary ivy]

my bow got a buff

[harsh kelp]

Are any of the surges good?

I stay away from them

[uneven shuttle]

All weapons got buffed, yeah?

[flint totem]

There were never good?

[uneven shuttle]

Bow ones are significant though.

[hoary ivy]

natural pierce is so good

[uneven shuttle]

Surges had issues, particularly with input queue / buffer

[finite shadow]

https://i.imgur.com/z8WhVH1.gif

[loud sparrow]

[finite shadow]

one day surges...one day...

[strange bronze]

surges are dead, long live surges

[hoary ivy]

[loud sparrow]

@finite shadow will there be a compilation of the crasiest bugs you find? 👀

[bright mulch]

I didn't like them because you couldn't chain them with the dash upgrades and the startup and recovery was too long

So compared to the other dash enhancers they were strictly worse I felt

[hoary ivy]

sometimes they felt like they chained but then other times they just would not work

[finite shadow]

We haven't been keeping track, but we all certainly have development war stories!

[worn fulcrum]

woo, just got my first sword clear!

[thin glacier]

Huh, interresting. I can spend more of my thingies for stats :D

[worn fulcrum]

with pre-buff sword, even

[hoary ivy]

i'll get my 1st clear one day

[bright mulch]

Sick

[flint totem]

Woot

[sage sky]

Surges were trash, couldnt go through walls and other static obstacles and had a long recovery.

And the upsides weren't even that good

Like, aphrodite's dash deals waaaay more damage than both the surges did

[harsh kelp]

@hoary ivy I believe in you

[sweet mesa]

lol i just beat the hydra for the first time and it was with a dash build

[hoary ivy]

@harsh kelp with the piercing on bows i'm feeling a lot better

I can dooo it

I FEEL GREAT I CAN DO IT

[harsh kelp]

You got this

WHO CAN DO THIS? KIWI

[rustic field]

i have to admit the new posideon dash was maybe no t the smartest choice in a bow run

[harsh kelp]

Why would you do that lmao

[rustic field]

cause i just push them away when i try to dash into melee

idk i see new stuff i take

[harsh kelp]

That's actually a good idea

I see your logic

[sage sky]

Piercing on bow is just so good to deal with those skull piles, I always took it when it was offered because of that. The added damage to armor was just a side benefit

[rustic field]

its not actually that terrible cause the dash attack still hits

and i have the hammer upgrade that makes it hit twice and crit

[harsh kelp]

What do you guys think about the sword upgrade that gives life steal

[sweet mesa]

is the hydra the last boss right now

[harsh kelp]

Sword is my least favorite weapon rn but I had a good life steal run

[sage sky]

@sweet mesa It is, for now

@harsh kelp It got a pretty massive change, might want to try it again

Also, lifesteal upgrade got a buff

[harsh kelp]

Worth the run for sure

Ooh hype

[oblique karma]

ahhh i died to hydra again

T_T

[wispy moon]

All y'all complaining about Hydra and I can't even beat Meg

[sage sky]

Hail hydra

[harsh kelp]

same buddy

Meg be mean

[bright mulch]

The key to beating meg is disrespect, you gotta go full ham

[harsh kelp]

but I love her ;_;

[bright mulch]

Meg romance when lol

[oblique karma]

when you get her max (for now) romance

[bright mulch]

Oh stuff actually happens when you max? I thought the locks meant it wasn't in yet

Neat

[oblique karma]

the locks mean theyre not in yet afaik

but there is some teaser stuff, i think i saw in the #h1-story-discussion

[quaint gale]

oh man these patch notes

I know I'm late but oh MAN

[bright mulch]

Ah ok

[oblique karma]

Aegis no longer having deflect is a feels bad man

[hoary ivy]

ok so does going to the boon room with a skull on it naturally give a stronger/rarer boon than going to a regular boon room?

BOON

[oblique karma]

yes, but the mobs are more difficult

• B O O N *

[hoary ivy]

thanks

[sage sky]

Oh god didn't notice that bone hourglass is borderline broken now

Used to be I thought it was underrated, so now...

[thin glacier]

aaand down goes the hydra

I feel like single chop sword is faster

[turbid needle]

Is there a list of all the legendary effects anywhere? I'm curious to see what they are but given how rare they are it's taking a while to find via play

[rapid kraken]

Just tested out the new patch, god a lot of my complain were adressed

[oblique karma]

how do you update? i think mine is still stuck in the dec 10 update

[lost rose]

should update through the epic games launcher

[oblique karma]

oh nvm im big dumb

its not steam, so it doesn't automatically updated when i boot the game

[dire crystal]

POSEIDON"S NEW DASH IS SO GOOD

[oblique karma]

i just found a poseidon room, time to try it out

[dire crystal]

😄

[hoary ivy]

@harsh kelp I DID IT first run with the new bow

[oblique karma]

wait the dash is so fun

[dire crystal]

its sooooo gooood

[harsh kelp]

@hoary ivy I BELIEVED IN YOU

[hoary ivy]

thaaanks

[oblique karma]

its gonna be great in asphodel

[dire crystal]

ikr

[oblique karma]

lol i think i just glitched a bomber in tartarus

[dire crystal]

😮

[oblique karma]

he had half broken hp and i knocked him into a wall and dashed

instantly died

wish i recorded it

[dire crystal]

omg

[sage sky]

Ok, I can confirm that bone hourglass has achieved 100% broken status

Currently rocking 3 Hydralites with 2 cyclops jerkies at the same time

[oblique karma]

stygian actually feels great now, you can actually dash attack effectively cause there isn't so much slo-mo

😮 arch

[dire crystal]

uhh

i just got hit once by meg and took 50 damage

what

let me post the clip one sec

[oblique karma]

poseidon lets you cruise to hydra

hehe

[dire crystal]

i lied

60 damage

[hollow totem]

61*

meg hit you with the work

lmfao

[dire crystal]

jesus

[hollow totem]

put that in bug reports

[sage sky]

I have so much boons when you take the items in consideration, they don't even show up on the screen anymore

[dire crystal]

yeah i threw it already lol

[hollow totem]

that's not suppsed to be a thing

[dire crystal]

hilarious

[pearl willow]

hurrah, sweet surrender has been corrected. seems like the raw % values have been reduced and the numbers i saw matched up with about a 30% multiplier. still great of course.

[oblique karma]

oh

[pearl willow]

also what happened there i think is your shield throw applied the ares curse to you.

[oblique karma]

it looks like

^

yeah,

[pearl willow]

still bug, but not meg.

[hollow totem]

30% multiplier is still clean af

[oblique karma]

ares curse was applied to you

[hollow totem]

also that poseiden dash

is wild

idk why i typed bug

zzzz

[dire crystal]

MEG IS ALSO PERMANENTLY INVINCIBLE

WHAT

[sage sky]

I'm just here face-taking all the area, because taking damage actually helps me defeat stuff faster, and I heal to full at the end anyway. Who thought this was an OK thing to do

[thin glacier]

holy..

how does damage reduction stack?

[dire crystal]

Yknow ares new stuff on shield throw would be incredible if shield throw didnt randomly kill me

[sage sky]

Got to say tho, playing with the sword feels so much better now

[lost rose]

@dire crystal Yeah Alice and others are looking at that bug as we speak