I cannot remember which one that is.
#h1-builds-and-combat
hot yoke
merry notch
So you take 10 damage right? if you have the 60% gain, you regain 6 health on your next hit if its within the time window
dreamy jackal
It said you gain life back from counter-attack
dreamy jackal
Doesn’t have to be the same target?
hot yoke
So if you get hit for 30 and then 5, you can only heal back the 5
It's really powerful on spear or shield
dreamy jackal
So it’s not very good perk...
hot yoke
I would not say that.
merry notch
It's a very good perk on all builds imo
hot yoke
Window's damn short for bow
merry notch
because you can just throw a spell right after you get hit
hot yoke
Yeah if you have one
dreamy jackal
I see
hot yoke
and a good target.
dreamy jackal
What does defect mean?
merry notch
it's a little situational, but I'd say overall it's more useful then not
hot yoke
reflect damage source back at caster (more or less)
near full damage resist on it, too, though some stuff can skate through it or slightly before or after the window
merry notch
and deflect reflects or blocks damage. melee targets block, spells sends flying back
dreamy jackal
Okay
hot yoke
Charge attacks deflected bounce backwards
hot yoke
It 'mostly' works
merry notch
jsut doesn't do any damage
dreamy jackal
What is best perk to get early, then?
hot yoke
The timing on their stuff is a little odd so I've definatley been hit with stuff that 'should' have been deflected
Depends on the weapon
merry notch
Also. Avenging gain can proc on revenge boons
hot yoke
I think aphrodite's perks are the best, overall.
merry notch
^^^^^^
dreamy jackal
I like using bow, but Spear is fun, too
copper berry
hey I know this is a weird question, but are there any Devs that could tell me how big the hydra room is 🤔
merry notch
no devs active :/
merry notch
I'm sure it's not boundless, that'd be a render/loading nightmare
dreamy jackal
Any advice on how to build your character at the mirror on the wall?
merry notch
uhhhhhh I like to go for the value stats that enhance boons/enhance sustain. anything that keeps you alive longer is a pretty good get
hot yoke
Depends how they do stuff. Maybe it could be if they're very clever about hwo they load in tiles or something
I tend to go for healing on room leaving, dash charges, and shot charges (because ares's shot is broken good, and aphrodite's isn't far off)
Following that, depends.
merry notch
Aphro+Ares builds are skrong
copper berry
So I am currently immune to lava damage
and I have been dashing away form the final room with the Hydra for about 10 minutes now
I will update you in another 5 minutes
merry notch
holy....
copper berry
let me set up an autohotkey script before I ruin my thumb
merry notch
maybe it is boundless, which to be honest is a little extra with the way caster shots work...
fallen lintel
is the camera following you?
copper berry
NOOOOOOOO I reset my run so I would get put back in my actual room and it doesnt work anymore
time to go get to the hydra all over again 😦
Yeah the camera followed me
I hit the top bound of the screen really fast
but towards the right and bottom, I kept on goin
time for me to guess at random garbage while knowing nothing about programming or how games are made
maybe they have the map origin, (0,0) in the top left of the screen
and they just have essentially a MASSIVE canvas that they can use to create whatever level they want
after I left the bounds of the room it was all just a dark red color, so its not like it had a ton of other things to load
ok I am gonna get to the hydra again and see if ic an abuse this
Also turns out I wasn't quite immune to lava damage, but the lava just stops being "lava" after a certain point, which makes sense
hot yoke
TO be fair, this is actually the sort of thing that they kinda want us to test/send in reports on
I doubt that they particularly expected someone finding a way to exploit the boss geometry for the second boss on the 4th day to cheese out range effects, but hey, if it works...
lost rose
the hydra's kicked my ass twice and both times I felt like I had pretty good builds going in...I just can't survive the multi-hydra rounds and the constant barrage attacks :/
I've seen stuff about people two-phasing it but like
maybe bc I'm just bad at this the most damage I've managed to get on it at once was a round 1000 from a volley of bloodstone shots
and that ended up being, like, 10% of its health lol
onyx badger
How do you get your discord name to say (playing hades)?
For example, now, Proxy BOT is Playing dynobot.net
Aggy is listening to Spotify
Argilla is playing Final Fantasy
How do you do that?
hot yoke
It's a discord setting
You can tell it to show what game/application you're running
Hit hte gear button, then game activity, it's right there. Only works from the app, though, and not from phone or the web browser.
tranquil steeple
I managed to defeat the Hydra today, using dash+weak, weak=increased damage taken and attacks have an after effect of damage. I can't remember the perk names, but I killed the boss very quick with that
hot yoke
The last one is an ares effect, but yes
merry notch
I wish Artemis had like DoT stuff instead of the weaker crit
steep mortar
DoT is Ares nope ?
flint totem
I like Artemis' skills but that might just because it allows me to not need to power shot to get good damage with the bow
lost rose
I also had dash with weak but couldnt manage to get weak extra damage...
hot yoke
Huh. One of my crash reports apparently merited an email response?
Feels like the automated tool should just go.
steep mortar
the dash/weak is a very good thing in Part 2
hot yoke
Which is artemis's?
wise spear
Artemis' Legendary boon causes your Attack and Cast to fire a True Shot projectile, but it does miniscule damage
hushed ledge
15
copper berry
yeah
OK so i went outta bounds in the last room
my theory was right about the room being in the top left of the canvas
near hte origin point
and then I did a triple dash downward
and i had a script going for about
25 minutes
and now im bored
so I think its just REALLY REALLY BIG
and there is no way to exploit it for my speedruns 😦
hushed ledge
Rip
It's probably a similar engine for maps that bastion/transistor ran on, so that's why it's so large
copper berry
yeah thats what i guessed earlier
cuz here its used for little rooms
for there it was used for MASSIVE areas
also the first hit damage being nullified is EXTRA bad in asphodel, since it gets consumed in lava
and those little fire traps
hushed ledge
Tbh I never get hit by either of those often, but I'd lose it to laserstones
copper berry
i get hit by em all the time since i just love dashing in lava
cuz you can just instantly heal it back anyway with the avenging heal
hushed ledge
So I just make sure not to end in it
copper berry
ill throw down an ability
and then its like
welp during your animation you just get screwed
I surprisingly got two boons in the same run that were legendary. Athenas and Ares'
It's easy once you know what the requirements for them to show are
simple folio
you cant just say things like that and not explain further man
what are the requirements! 😄
lost rose
...i might've beat the 23 second Meg just now
I wasn't timing though rip
But it was extremely fast
copper berry
oh sorry
for the requirements it depends on what the boon is
usually you take one boon, anything by the God to get rid of the "priority boons"
quaint steeple
I don't quite get what you mean.
copper berry
then it can spawn the next boon, which depends per person. Athena- Extra deflect damage. Ares- Blade Rift AoE OR Blade Rift Homing, Artemis- bonus crit damage or any damage can crit
quaint steeple
Oh. But that doesn't exactly guarantee Legendary boons.
copper berry
Zeus- more lightning bounces, poseidon- Extra slam damage. Aphrodite- bonus charm duration or bonus dmg vs weak
no
but it is a requirement
And you could still have the required boons and not have it show up
And still have an empty slot, so like only 2 out of the 3 boon slots are taken
I think
not 100% on that last bit
@lost finch that isnt a bug that you posted. that was the only option you had left as a boon from zeus. You most likely had lightning revenge, your dash, special, and cast slot taken, so that left only your attack to be given.
lost finch
are you sure? but why would it not offer me the other boon choices?
copper berry
there were no other options to give, you know?
quaint gale
you can only have one boon per action, period
copper berry
yeah
lost finch
it never happened to me, that it required me to finish the 4 basic ones before offering me the more advanced boons
yeah i know. but what about the advanced boons?
copper berry
well on zeus it has to
because his advanced is bonus chain lightning bounces
which doesnt work for lightning revenge
and another bonus to it for the legendary boon
lost rose
I ONE PHASED THE HYDRA
lost finch
thats pretty weird
copper berry
noice
lost rose
11 seconds
i got it on tape >:3
no sound but hey
what's the Ares special boon called
copper berry
No idea.
But it gives you enemy the S U C C
so they get sucked into your blade rift
lost rose
https://youtu.be/MNpMyFuz-aA
(no sound bc i forgot to turn it on on fraps lol)
loud sparrow
damn, well played
lost rose
i'm not an actual high level player or anything, i just got obscenely lucky
and i will readily admit that lol
modest dew
that was still really good though
loud sparrow
^
modest dew
if you can beat hydra you can consider yourself pretty good tbh
unless its with a cast build
lost rose
a powered up aphrodash + damage when weakened is broke
loud sparrow
the lowkey cast build hate 
lost rose
i was doing 350 base damage dashing in circles around enemies
loud sparrow
damn
pastel jolt
i feel like with the hydra you either melt it in under a minute or you die
lost rose
yeah i cheesed the entirety of asphodel
i didn't take damage from something that wasn't environmental until one of those boss boats
loud sparrow
i think hydra wouldnt be as bad if you didnt have the long animationlock after a dash
you´d be able to dodge things much better on small space
modest dew
i kind of want them to remove the stunlock from his projectiles tbh
they arent really too much of a problem after a while
but when you get locked into a 55 damage hit it can feel pretty bad
onyx badger
How did you get one lvl5 and one lvl3? Usually all the upgrades I get are lvl 3 at most for 2
lost rose
tons and tons and tons of poms
i bought two of them from charon
and otherwise just got lucky
onyx badger
What was your amulet?
lost rose
first i used aphrodite's keepsake
and started off with the aphrodite dash boon
i switched to the ares keepsake before asphodel to try to get bonus damage
not that it ended up being necessary
onyx badger
So what is the breakdown of the 350 per hit?
lost rose
uhhh Dash does around 90 damage initially + weakening
damage boon then does 138% of the 90, + a like...90%? 100%? backstab bonus
onyx badger
4 casts do 60 each, then I saw you aphro-dash for 60, then all of a sudden, there are repeated 350 attacks, a fan shot which did I couldn't see how much
onyx badger
Maybe the weak from the dash stacks?
onyx badger
Maybe you had the 20% damage from attack after dash stacked?
lost rose
I think backstab has got to be a part of it
copper berry
from the color of the damage number
lost rose
I've got a 100% backstab bonus
copper berry
yeah thats normal then
with aphrodite weak bonus
and i assume you had an attack buff at some point
I think hydra wouldnt be so crazy frustrating
lost rose
I wasn't attacking, I was only dashing though
onyx badger
Well, it just confirms my correct strategy vs the Hydra... just dash behind it and start attacking,
lost rose
I had a revenge boon, but I wasn't getting hit
copper berry
the walls on hydra are frustrating, because it doestn even always block the second phase bullets, and it still easily slams you
lost rose
the 350 was basic damage i was getting on like bloodless in earlier levels of asphodel
copper berry
let alone the little hydra heads throwing out their fire and stuff
oh what it is is when you do your double dash
since it does dmg at start AND at end
they overlap
copper berry
and do the same tick i think
lost rose
you're right
copper berry
so in between you are doing doubles
lost rose
they both hit because of the AOE
lost rose
so I'm actually getting two 138% weak-boosted 50-point attacks plus backstab damage
per dash
copper berry
but there isnt enough time time in the run
onyx badger
But when you did the fan-shot at distance, I saw a series of 60s and a 350. So what does 350 at a distance?
copper berry
I cant get my 100% damage resistance to traps build
lost rose
might've been residual from my dash back there?
copper berry
actually
its just the dash
and its not doubled up
i did slomo
you can see two seperate 356 dmg numbers
that are like, a TINY bit separate from each other
onyx badger
So a dash does 350??
copper berry
i am watching near the start of the fight
and i have been thinking
that the +dmg to weak boon
lost rose
then with the weak effect still on, 396!
copper berry
is like, broken
not like overpowered
but the numbers are weird
quick maffs
50 dmg per dash
x2 backstab
lost rose
so 51 is the base damage
copper berry
136% dmg from weak
onyx badger
You also get a 20% damage from immediately attacking after a dash, from the mirro-boon
mirror-boon
copper berry
its backstab
copper berry
and the quick temper bonus is only on your weapon attack
onyx badger
But isn't backstab from the +damage from behind from the mirror boon?
lost rose
oh yeah there it is, on the final attack
but the middle, the uhh
the 287
wasn't a backstab
lost rose
Right
copper berry
ok so the difference is 109
so the backstab is adding 109 dmg
and then the bonus is
hmmm
wait
onyx badger
So if you do 3 dashes in a row, with weak-boon....
copper berry
whats the lvl 5
copper berry
and is that Ares boon you have the 20% dmg?
lost rose
no
copper berry
or what
lost rose
It's uhh
It's curse damage
for the special
so it doesn't apply here
35, 75, 113, 138....it might be more than that actually, at level 5
That would explain a lot lol
lost rose
yes
copper berry
like are you watching the recording or somethjing
lost rose
oh sorry
copper berry
or was it a rare/epic variant
copper berry
so it had even more or something
lost rose
weak
started at 35
it went 35, then a big jump to 75, 113, 138, and then maybe 150-something or 170-something
percent, that is
we can assume 287 is with the added damage to weak probably
without any backstab
and calculate backwards
onyx badger
So normal dash does 287, backstab-dash does 396...
and you have lvl5 weak bonus which does 138%...
Your 2nd backstab dash should do 546?
And your 3rd backstab dash does 754?
Does weak stack too?
hallow pagoda
Anyone know if it's generally always better to get the epic or legendary boon instead of something else you think you use more? Example I like the shield bouncing so upgrade special instead of legendary revengehit.
copper berry
what revenge bonus did you have
lost rose
Zeus lightning strike lvl 1
copper berry
the legendary boons are all just random unique boons
onyx badger
And the +20% damage from attacking immediately after dashing, and you did a point-blank fan shot....
How much does one arrow damage?
copper berry
they arent really good
epic boons are good if you are going to use the ability
but if its like, Epic cast bonus, but you wont use the cast
then go ahead nad o throw
the attacking after dash dmg is only for your weapon
hallow pagoda
Ok thanks guys
lost rose
Right.
copper berry
5.62x increase
lost rose
So I think that jump can be totally attributed to boons
copper berry
and thats not including backstab
lost rose
Right
copper berry
so this is why i think the bonus dmg to weak boon is broken
Like in my 10 min run, I did like 4.2k dmg or something to the hydra with an arrow
onyx badger
Well, they quickly nerfed the shield after one day after realizing it was OP, so maybe they'll nerf the dash and the stacking...
loud sparrow
agree, weak bonus dmg is insane
copper berry
every time i use it i am like
wow thas a little more than i expect
when i weaken an enemy
onyx badger
What point does it stop stacking?
lost rose
396
lost rose
Or, technically, 287 and then the backstab
onyx badger
396 for the dash?
lost rose
Whatever the bonus damage to weak effect is, it stopped stacking at a certain point because the damage output leveled out
copper berry
so maybe it gets like
lost rose
It didn't just keep going
copper berry
added to iteslf
so it accidentally applies it twice
so you get 50x 2.37 x 2.37
idk 
onyx badger
How much damage did one arrow do against weak?
copper berry
56
and she has the bonus from ares as well
idk what the increase in special dmg is from it
onyx badger
How many arrows are in a fan shot? Ven did a fan-shot point blank from behind, which would mean backstab bonus vs weak
copper berry
well i see an individual damage number with no backstab that does 56
so i am gonna try to work backwards from that
base dmg is 10
times the ares bonus which i am about to go find out
wait no
the ares dmg is only curse
it doesnt increase
so its just 10 to 56
copper berry
which once again is congruous with the damage multiplier on her dash
lost rose
keepsake only summons ares
loud sparrow
thaqts not shown
lost rose
yeah i was just holding the ares keepsake
loud sparrow
oh right mb, thats not the rose
copper berry
so you said your damage bonus was 138% you thought, right?
lost rose
I thought it might be bigger
copper berry
cuz if it was 138% BONUS thatd end up multiplying each one by 2.38
lost rose
I'm sorry, I took a screenshot of an early build but didn't get pics of the final one
copper berry
nah i got this mystery solved check it
138% bonus
so you get the 1.38 on top of your 1.0
so 2.38
which when you multiply AGAIN
is our final 5.62
so it is DOUBLE applying the aphrodite weak bonus dmg
applied twice for some reason
so you basically square your multiplier
we solved it youre welcome devs
lost rose
from the meg fight
loud sparrow
ah
onyx badger
Counted it... ~17 shots in a fan shot. So at 56pts per shot, that was 952 damage
loud sparrow
right right i´m stupid
copper berry
or 25% it is variable for some rason
nah you arent
ok ima write up the thingy for the bug report
loud sparrow
weak dmg (at least on dah) confirmed to double proc?
flat geyser
Hello
lost rose
yep
loud sparrow
hi!
flat geyser
I got hades, the game is awesome
lost rose
hi there!
loud sparrow
right? been having a blast aswell
copper berry
not technically confirmed but I will say I DID use a TI-30X calculator
so yknow, we got the best tools on the job
loud sparrow
lost rose
i used a mechanical pencil and sticky notes!
our bases are covered
btw this build also destroyed meg
i wasn't recording so idk but it was comparable to the 23-second kill
copper berry
btw did we ever get a follow up on if there is an art gallery
I keep finding myself needing shots of the characters for my memes and/or discord server
loud sparrow
i´m just hoping so so much we get a happy ending for meg and zag
onyx badger
Zag and Meg as ex-lovers
undone pond
i am really hoping for rekindling of relationship OR making upas friends and not being bitter, maybe turn into playful rivals
copper berry
there is making up for sure, because that is what we already do when we gift em
idk about romancing tho
but i hope so, dusa is so adorable 🐍
onyx badger
@lost rose How fast did you kill Meg?
undone pond
i am really hoing for canon bi zag not even romance just as a rep
onyx badger
I want to see Cyclops.... Zag already has a skull of medusa, and she's around...
copper berry
I mean we got 4 love interests already laid out
meg, dusa, achilles, hypnos
easy pz
onyx badger
Athena
loud sparrow
Aprodite 👀
onyx badger
Artemis
loud sparrow
^^^^^
copper berry
Implying they would actually have a relationship with a demigod like you
instead of just some smash n pass
onyx badger
Nyx
undone pond
i mean personally i really wanna kiss all godesses
lost rose
@undone pond Zag is canonically bi/pan!
onyx badger
The locked door must be the orgy room
lost rose
@onyx badger i wasn't recording ;-;
undone pond
! oh he is? was it confirmed?
lost rose
Lemme grab
onyx badger
So Zag has an affair with a shade? How does that work...
@lost rose Which forum was that from?
lost rose
It's not from a forum, it was a DM with another user on the fan server
onyx badger
What's the fan server?
lost rose
It was the One Supergiant Discord before sgg decided to make an official
onyx badger
And the Red Supergiant Member List: are they actually here or do they just leave their computer on with Discord open, so they appear as here? When I go off to play Hades, do I appear offline?
(new to discord)
loud sparrow
i guess some appear online 24/7 cause they might have discord on their phones
you can set yourself to appear offline, then it wont show that you´re playing anything i think
(but thats more something for #off-topic-discussion i think )
lost rose
(it is and thank you)
steep mortar
that's great ! thanks
lost rose
@onyx badger if the opportunity arises i'll try to copy that build again
i run aphrodite trinket basically all the time now so if i can get her dash first thing i'll have a good chance
onyx badger
Hurry before they de-buff it
copper berry
hey ven can i post a discord link here that i made for a speedrun/wiki/datamining server for hades?
proud storm
pretty sure it's been mentioned here before once but
when meg does her bullets attack, if you have the spear and place yourself close to her you can jab her with the spear and destroy all the bullets she fires at once
so basically free hits
sage sky
So, that was fun : https://imgur.com/jhv2I5k
proud storm
oof
rustic field
hey question does ares debuff stack?
rustic field
hmm so taking it on attack with spear doesnt do tons of dmg?
proud storm
well it only applies one curse at a time
you have to wait for the curse damage to be dealt to apply it again
pulsar loom
Yeah, so it's good to spread to multiple enemies, but weak to spam a single target (relatively speaking)
sage sky
So uh... That's going to be a fun hydra : https://imgur.com/a/Q89iCFI
lost rose
woof
sage sky
I got it down to 10%, couldn't kill all the heads for the last phase tho 
Would have done it if I didn't lose my death defiance to those damn witches
Turn out, when you can only kill them by dashing into lava, it's not so easy
proud storm
you can have a trial of the gods on the boat but they dont work
like you'll have the boat fight normally then one of the two gods will show up and thats it
sage sky
Next game over, I think the "game" felt bad for my last run : https://imgur.com/a/19lz5tv
Hydra got crushed HARD. Face tanked it, only took 30 damage. Aphrodite debuff with sweet surrender is absurd if you have nice enough damage
proud storm
i got multi shot and epic sweet surrender and killed the hydra in like 30 seconds
pearl willow
just got offered epic aphrodite damage resistance and it's 58%, that seems like a hell of a lot lol
cursive canyon
do you guys recommend the bow to beat the hydra?
loud sparrow
you can beat the hydra with any weapon, there are just a few cheesy builds that oneshot hydra really fast
sage sky
Honestly, any weapon works when you're good with it. Sword is a little on the weak side, and don't try making a shield throw build to beat the hydra, or you're going to have a bad time
cursive canyon
yeah I basically wanted to ask which makes it easier?
sage sky
The one you're most comfortable with
cursive canyon
shield but Im not very comfortable with shield on hydra specifically
loud sparrow
the cheesy bow build is insane for hydra, but you need really specific boons to make it work
spear crit build also works really well for me
sage sky
Like, sure, the bow can have some builds that really man-handle the hydra, but if you're not good with the bow, that's not really going to work for you
My screen shot above was for the spear also
pearl willow
i think the shield is easiest even if the damage is a little low because you have a reliable means to block the needles even when you're out of position
sage sky
Zeus spear is really good with how fast you hit stuff
pearl willow
(lower than the potential for spear/bow rather)
sage sky
Keep in mind, the main head's projectiles can't be reflected though. I think they can't be blocked either
cursive canyon
yup Im not 100% sure but I do seem to be hit through the shield when I hold it up
errant narwhal
which one is better, passion dash or empty inside?
i dont know what to take to get thru asphodel
errant narwhal
haha nice
sage sky
I got the whole way to hydra and nearly killed it with ONLY passion dash
pearl willow
the hydra needles can sometimes arc around you and hit you even if you have the shield up but its generally reliable. can stay further away or adjust where you're facing to help as well.
another neat thing you can do is if you have a strong vengeance effect is that the needles you block each trigger it, i just insta killed it from half health with an epic zeus trigger + weakness damage increase by blocking its needles and reflecting 480 damage back each time lol
errant narwhal
wow
thats incredible
also, divine flourish or holy shield?
or vast riches, but idk if i need it
lost rose
mmm can't remember those effects
proud storm
vast riches is just your aunt giving you pocket money
solar galleon
Always go for the dosh
errant narwhal
is the spear special helpful in the hydra fight
solar galleon
Friendly reminder that on 9th bottle of estus Charon offers you to smuggle 1/10th of you lost gold to use on partying in overworld
loud sparrow
spoiler 
solar galleon
You got me there
sage sky
Can't unsee the ressemblance with the estus bottle now, what have you done
errant narwhal
im tempted to take the pocket money in case i can buy ambrosia
bc i need one for meg
but i might like, Die
yolo i took it
GDI i get a free one in the next room
well
spark plank
hey do you guys know if it's a bug that if you use spear and have athena's dash boon then you charge spin attack and dash you spin attack then dash instead of dash then spin attack
solar galleon
Now that's some actual gamechanger
sage sky
It's a dash
loud sparrow
but you have a little charge time on the athena dash
wich i guess cancels out the spear chargeup
sage sky
Feels like a surge, but it's a dash
spark plank
just seems like a really weird interaction
loud sparrow
only the tooltip says dash, maybe its a surge 
yeah, its weird, reasons why i´m not picking any of the surges with spear
sage sky
If you can go through walls with it, it's a dash
spark plank
yeah from now on ill make sure to not get athena's dash in addition to surges when I use spear
errant narwhal
i skipped the boat so i got farther than ever before yay
lost rose
yay!
loud sparrow
woop woop!
loud sparrow
you can do it! looks like a decent enough build to kill it!
errant narwhal
ive never gotten there before hhghgh im so scared
jade plover
just take it careful and dont get greedy
i mean thats dark souls advice but its applicable here lmao
errant narwhal
ive never played dark souls but i will heed your advice
or try and fail miserably
sage sky
Or you can just race the hydra, pretty much depends on how much health you have, and what your DPS is. Personaly, I found that being to careful around the hydra, especialy in the end of the fight, got me killed more often than not.
proud storm
you do want to kill the heads it spawns asap
trail orbit
honestly, the thing with the hydra is that you can't really dodge it all once there are enough heads
so it's a damage race
proud storm
bc of this ^
lost rose
alma ur best bet is to try to one- or two-phase it with absurd dps
unless you've got a full health bar and can outlast the heads
which you don't
proud storm
and you only got one death defiance charge so :/
errant narwhal
i died but i got there ayyyyy
whole osprey
just cleared it for the first time <(o.o<) artemis' cast blessings seem so op o.o
didn't use them before this time, but damn that helped a lot O:
indigo compass
yes true
i allmost never used cast, but then i got the artemis cast and beat hydra:p
whole osprey
i played around a bit with zeus cast before, which is fun, but artemis just deals more dmg
although, my overall build might just have been better this run
pearl willow
i've become quite fond of zeus cast, it's real solid for helping clear trash (and rare/epic versions have pretty high flat damage) and is ok for grouped hydra heads at least. never had artemis yet.
whole osprey
artemis has way higher single target damage, which helped me against the bomber guys that i usually struggle against
bright gazelle
Just beat Hydra with the sword
Got a hammer right off the bat, picked the attack speed upgrade
Then Zeus, being a good nuncle/granpa he is, offered me a chain lightning on my basic attack
And few power fruits to juice it up
A fine massacre it was
https://i.ibb.co/0MrPfv9/Screenshot-95c.png
fickle storm
I'm trying cast builds lately, and they are pretty fun. Ares / Poseidon casts are really cool
Can't get past room 24 though, that's my limit
@bright gazelle lightning blade! sounds awesome
errant narwhal
that’s amazing!! Sword feels so underpowered, congrats 🎉
bright gazelle
It feels underwhelming, yeah
Mostly because it's so limited - the Special is too slow and there's no ranged option
But it has some of the best hammer upgrades
Lifesteal, Flurry and armor smash are amazing
indigo compass
@fickle storm have u had the artemis cast yet ? its good
nova cedar
I'm probably the 1000th person to ask, but what's the consensus: controller or kb&m?
pearl willow
kbm personally
pastel jolt
i prefer controller
elfin pumice
@copper berry I was one hit from skipping all hydra phases with spear, and general run was faster cus of aoe damage. There's a chance of spear being the faster any% if you get really good start
I use keyboard and mouse, but i'm not used to controller so
nova cedar
Yeah, I just haven't gotten used to dashing with kb&m. I've only tried dash to mouse on tho
elfin pumice
I play Battlerite so i'm totally used to it :p its the same mechanic
kind fiber
Is it just me or are Ares bonuses terrible?
wheat perch
i started out using kbm, but switched to controller and preferred controller, but they're both fine imo
elfin pumice
I like the cast ares has, rest is bad imo
kind fiber
Well the cast is useful for the fact it doesn't get attached to enemies, but its so slow and difficult to use
elfin pumice
his cast will stagger enemies on range
kind fiber
Can't be used against the first boss at all
elfin pumice
I just finished a run using it, I just started off spamming it around the room then attacking like normal
elfin pumice
No reason to rely on it, just use it on top wher enemies will spawn then forget about it. But it's not like it's "strong", just not trash compared to the rest of ares options 
I just did it with spear, but I usually pick it with bow aswell
mostly just cus it's the pick with most value
kind fiber
So its like a spacing option for the more rangey of weapons?
elfin pumice
yeah!
pulsar loom
Ares was fine for special and shield, spray it around a bit. But it isn't Hydra viable
minor axle
whose boons make the bow the best
elfin pumice
I'm more thinking in a "defeat hydra as good as possible" for things to be viable 😛
@minor axle Artemis and aphrodite
pulsar loom
The bow chick, bacon
minor axle
tank you
pulsar loom
Dash and shoot auto crit is OP
elfin pumice
Hunters dash from artemis and attack spec from aphrodite
kind fiber
How does the bow do with Poseidon?
pulsar loom
But it doesn't stack with her other options
minor axle
man it's gonna be real sad when they inevitably nerf things
kind fiber
What happens if you scale your crit % past 100%? Nothing?
pulsar loom
I have had runs where I only got her boons and it was a lot of wasted chances
Nothing
kind fiber
Hmmm, doesn't seem that good then
pulsar loom
The dash and crit is among the best in the game
kind fiber
Sure, dash and crit is, but like the primary fire bonus for your weapon
60% crit doesn't seem that good as it doesn't seem extremely strong nor does it have the opportunity for scaling
pulsar loom
Yes, hence supplementing it with another boon, ideally
kind fiber
Does the wiki or some other site have a list of all the boons? Notably the ones that aren't attached to one of your 4 initial abilities?
pulsar loom
I'll be surprised if anyone put in that effort for early access, which will likely change
uneven shuttle
Anyone else get Poseidon's Legendary boon before?
Causes the knockback effect to apply a second time after a short delay; managed to get it on a fast-swing sword run
kind fiber
Nope, sounds amazing
kind fiber
Short of the fact that you can't easily hit enemies into other objects in the lava river areas
But sure, lava is still lethal to non flyiers
uneven shuttle
Would be a bit better if things weren't so often immune to lava / capable of immediately jumping out of it
uneven shuttle
Still, managed to get to hydra
Then I realized I was dealing like, 20 damage per swing, and was relying on wall-collisions for damage
kind fiber
Really annoying how strong the wall collisions are just for the bosses to be completely immune to them
uneven shuttle
But I guess that's what happens when you build toward something silly
kind fiber
350% when close IMO
novel perch
man that hydra feels so impossible after the first two heads.
silver plover
Hydra feels like if you can't one shot the heads you'll have trouble
I always die to the last phase
pearl willow
the first few times i died on hydra i thought i'd never beat it lol, you get better at it with more practice though.
wind vortex
Yeah the fight’s crazy unless your run is good at dealing with the extra heads
silver plover
I beatonce with True Shot / Multishot but nothing else
novel perch
like thus far my best attempts have been when i have a good combo with for the cast and some extra damage on my main weapon.
wind vortex
I beat it with a true shot build that was actually able to one tap the heads
silver plover
True Shot / Multishot lv 3 was actually the most broken thing I see so far
novel perch
yeah that is like absurd amount of damage
silver plover
Besides am I the only who feels like some keepsakes are really weak almost useless ?
uneven shuttle
Which ones?
errant narwhal
some are just so much useful than others that the weaker ones arent worth picking
but i dont think any of them are real bad
silver plover
Lucky Tooth for exemple I mean you have a passive mirror that does the same but better
uneven shuttle
Yeah, lucky tooth does seem a bit weak to me. Shade Cloak seems like a good idea, but I can't think of any builds that would really benefit from it
pearl willow
I've equipped the +25 HP one and pretty much never looked back.
silver plover
I wonder if you will get other keepsakes or get upgrade the more Ambrosia you give
silver plover
I currently have the Coin Purse trying to get that Aphrodite Poster
pearl willow
given the way we accumulate keys/ambrosia im assuming they're going to see more use in the future.
errant narwhal
gl hank!
silver plover
That poster is actually so hard to get FeelsBadMan
pearl willow
i kind of like just taking what the game gives me, never used the boon ones. stumbled into some surprising/amusing wins.
indigo compass
nice just beat hydra for the 2nd time in a row
velvet nest
yeah lol artemis' cast is CRAZY good, it's 100% going to get nerfed before the final game is out
jade notch
right along with aphrodite's weakess damage boost
oblique karma
the only thing i can think of that would benefit from shade cloak is ares's rift dash build
misty sentinel
I feel like not letting you choose two different boons of the same type is a huge missed opportunity
Something like artemis + ares cast making it so your rifts are homing
would be cool
pearl willow
there's actually an ares upgrade for the cast that allows rifts to follow targets while also increasing their duration
sweet mesa
is the shield a good weapon
oblique karma
jony i think theyre worried about making runs too broken lol
also, i struggle with the shield a lot, any tips
misty sentinel
I think thats part of what makes roguelites fun though
Having crazy op runs sometimes or cool synergies
You should abuse wall slams with the shields
cinder gale
Sheild is too good, they nerf it and it still good.
indigo compass
@oblique karma dash atking enemies into walls is pretty good
oblique karma
maybe ive been trying to use the special too much... captain america lol
indigo compass
yeah the special is unreliable:p
turbid needle
Special is unreliable after megaera* before it's quite good
oblique karma
whats the weakest weapon? bow or sword?
sweet mesa
bow
indigo compass
sword
turbid needle
Sword is high risk
sweet mesa
in my opionon
indigo compass
bow is strong :p
turbid needle
Bow needs the right upgrade though
sweet mesa
ive never gotten good boons on the bow
oblique karma
i think bow is too linear in its build paths
sweet mesa
yea
indigo compass
it speeds up your bows charge
yeah i am not a big fan of the bow myself, fav is shield and spear so far
sweet mesa
i do like the pierce the bow can have
turbid needle
Thought to use bow effectively you at least need the double dash
indigo compass
well yeah imo u need double dash pretty much anyway
indigo compass
triple dash was a godend for me:p
turbid needle
Double dash is nice but not necessary with other weappns
indigo compass
godsend*
turbid needle
Not as much at least
sage sky
That poor hydra : https://imgur.com/s9JU3Pi
pearl willow
yeah, i basically rushed the dashes once i had the darkness for it. makes everything feel so much better.
turbid needle
Hydra is pretty much powerless against bow right ? Didn't make it there with the bow
indigo compass
damn got alot of darkness last run:) sitting at 330 now
sage sky
It's not. It's powerless against really high dps builds, but you don't always get those with the bow
turbid needle
Ha k, seemed to me that a range weapon would be more effective (only got there with sword and shield)
sage sky
And you can do the same with the spear and shield, the bow is only the most absurd one when it really gets going
cinder gale
Zues normal attack on spear + aphrodite dash is crazy.
I just reach hydra first time and beat it without using any death defiance....
sage sky
I mean, I went point blank there for the 350% damage
The hydra is one of those trap bossesn where you think you're better off staying safe, watching for an opening from a distance, when the opening is actually getting right in her face
minor axle
what's the best boons on shield
sage sky
You just have to learn when to get out, but again, if you have a really high dps, you don't even have to get out
dire cedar
@proud storm add that to the wiki. https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Hades_Wiki
At least add the screenshot someone else can make the Daedalus page.
silver plover
Spear Special is fun tho also proc backstab on comeback
proud storm
do i just throw the screenshot in there
turbid needle
Past a certain point it doesn't come back as quickly though
sage sky
Yeah, the thing is, asphodel (the second area) doesn't have walls
silver plover
I died to Shield Special cause I used it in Asphodel and it never came back PepeHands
indigo compass
im allready having the bounce problem in tartarus, never use it:p
sage sky
So the shield tends to wander off
oblique karma
i think its cause asphodel is bigger
indigo compass
does not have walls to bounce offp
sage sky
If you really want to play with the shield, pick yourself athena's boon on attack, and watch as you deflect everything when charging forward
dire cedar
You just have to aim shield so it hits 2 guys directly.
Bit of a learning curve but I use shield special effectivel yin Asmo
trail orbit
hey, ya guys know the poseidon boon that gives additional rewards, right?
indigo compass
yes
oblique karma
it works on everything
trail orbit
you get like 300 health
minor axle
i might be crazy but i think if you hold Q down the shield zips back to you
novel perch
Alright! killed the hydra with 4 trueshot multishot with +100 something crit damage.
turbid needle
Is it normal that when ennemies are pushed too far away in asphodel they die nearly instantly (poseidon shield special lvl 4) ?
silver plover
They take damage from lava
turbid needle
Does lava do incremental damages ?
indigo compass
lava dmg them alot
minor axle
ok im crazy it does not
turbid needle
Cause I've seen the skullies come back but like sometimes I pushed them on what seemed the edge of the map and they appeared to be stuck and just dying in 1 or 2 seconds
indigo compass
could be u had curse of agony?
indigo compass
yes it dmg every sec or so
silver plover
Lava just deal a real lot of damage never really looked the numbers but it might be incremental
indigo compass
if u know a skeleton that charges in the lava they die after about 2sec
turbid needle
Who wanna throw a run and bathe in lava ?
indigo compass
knock*
wind vortex
Lava damage does indeed start stacking
dull vessel
It is incremental.
turbid needle
Thanks
dull vessel
Starts at like 20 then ticks up to 40 and past it pretty quickly.
pastel jolt
that just reminds me of how snarky zag sounds when he points out that he's "flame-resistant, not flame-proof"
novel perch
So the hydra is pretty much as far as you can go at the moment? Hopefully they'll add more more soon.
indigo compass
lol
indigo compass
yeah but its allready got enough value imo
silver plover
It's a good early access tbh Dead Cells was pretty much the same at the start
indigo compass
and theres still more to come
novel perch
yeah i'm not complaining or anything ^-^
silver plover
It's even better then Dead Cells since DC had one boss at first
novel perch
does the progress you have carry over to new updates? or is it a waste to continue playing to get darkess?
oblique karma
rn it seems like cast is the go-to ability?
indigo compass
i think it stays at least till early acces is over
novel perch
and yeah. cast imo is like the most powerful dps there is
silver plover
Cast get really strong really fast compared to other build
spark plank
I'd still say the good ole crit spear build gets strong pretty quickly
vestal snow
Man, all of you getting to Hydra, I'm impressed. I haven't even beaten Meg and I can't reliably get to her either
rustic field
i one shot the heads with 2 right clicks
cause they would send out 3 casts that do double bamage
oblique karma
i can only recently beat meg, i got to hydra with a dash crit sword build
silver plover
True Shot / Multishot is the most broken rn imo
pastel jolt
@novel perch #hades-faq , Will I run into horrible bugs or lose progress during Early Access?
rustic field
taking no damage from lava and half damage from monsters also helped
pastel jolt
tl;dr of the tl;dr: they'll try to avoid it but if it's unavoidable then we'll be warned in advance if possible
kind fiber
@pastel jolt I haven't seen many. Progress seems to save like every room, haven't lost progress for any reason other than death yet
sage sky
Third hydra kill in a row, i'm really getting the hang of it : https://imgur.com/pu0SKAo
dire cedar
Do we know what "some damage" means?
sage sky
Btw, I just noticed a little trick you can do to make the hydra fight a little easier for slower kills : If you stand between its head and the back wall, and dash on the other side of its head while it's shooting, you can just happily bash its heads in and all the shots will miss you
@dire cedar it says right next to the boon. F.e. in my screenshot, I resist 8% of the damage
dire cedar
@sage sky IT's worded differently then other defensive boons that reduce damage. I had thought "some damage" mean some sources of damage.
sage sky
Well, it kind of is "some damage" when you have such a low number though, at 8% that's not enough to lower most damage sources
uneven shuttle
Yeah, it resist a much lower amount of damage vs. Aphrodite's similar boon, but Aphrodite's only applies to nearby sources.
kind fiber
How do you dodge the hydra's seekers?
Is there an effective way or do you just hide behind the wall?
finite grail
man i got that epic knockback on attack from zeus and it knocked enemies two screens away into a wall
it was amazing and p much instakilled
pearl willow
depends where you are. if you're behind a wall already and not in immediate danger then i say stay, just be careful of some arcing around the edge. sometimes i just kind of kite round the edge of the map with kind of a I_I shape as well, though it's not foolproof with they way they can kind of stunlock/interrupt you.
trail orbit
say, does the hydra take knockback damgage?
just wondering if poseidon builds are any good
pulsar loom
They are not, indeed
Kinda makes Poseidon among the worst boons as a result. Great for trash, useless when you need it.
indigo compass
although u can deflect the other heads so might get knocked too
exotic hazel
Its weird because sometimes poseidons knockback effect works on armored enemies in asphodel, but sometimes doesnt.
When it does its awesome
uneven shuttle
The problem isn't armor, it's the bombardiers
Their jumping animations, attack animations, and maybe some other behaviours make them temporarily immune to knockback
And it seems they can cancel it as soon as they start one of those animations, even if they're half-way thrown to the wall
exotic hazel
Yeah, their invuln frames are quite frankly ridiculous
They last a good half second AFTER they land
And about .25 sevonds before they even jump
I just wish theyd be immune to any displacement and wouldn't go below 1 health while jumping
Pure invuln is extremely annoying
sweet mesa
so the hammers upgrade your special and what else
silk torrent
Is it normal to get stunned by an Hydra arrow and so take all the subsequents ?
primal kayak
Quite
hidden patrol
they give weapon specific upgrades. sometimes special sometimes normal attack
or other stuff
the shield for example can give you 20% damage reduction
sweet mesa
the passion fruit gives boon upgrades then?
silk torrent
I feel like a revenge effect stuns you longer so you're not able to escape subsquent arrows
hidden patrol
yeah
the shield also has an upgrade that makes you deflect attacks after ou take damage. prevents stunlocks
primal kayak
Might not work on hydra missiles
uneven shuttle
I forget, does the game not signal to the player that there's only 1 slot for weapon upgrade, and only 1 slot for attack/special/cast/dash boons?
I feel like the HUD should be more clear about it. I think I just assumed it from the start because of Transistor
primal kayak
But that just spoils the fun for new players
I for one enjoyed not knowing anything
hidden patrol
i found it out when i was trying to get zeus cast+ artemis multiple projectiles
tried it for a while xd
uneven shuttle
@hidden patrol that one might actually be possible, since artemis multi-projectiles is a passive
hidden patrol
nah it says "gives more seeking projectiles" in the description
it is an upgrade to artemis cast
uneven shuttle
I suppose it makes sense, since Ares has a similar boon that seems cast-specific
primal kayak
It could be cool if effects stacked like in Transistor
uneven shuttle
I mean, from what I can tell, the system works pretty similarly to Transistor, with the caveat being that boons aren't multi-functional. Some take up active slots, some buff specific active slots, others are passive
I feel like a part of the HUD dedicated to active slot boons would help convey to new players 'hey, since you got this one you can't get another one for the same slot'
hushed parrot
Someone here or in the neighboring channels said something about the bow being not at all useful, and I'm here like,
https://i.imgur.com/n6ZgV8I.png
Hunter Dash plus some extra damage and bonus Weakening from Aphrodite, plus well timed dash+powershot
Deals around 120 damage per shot
vague hearth
Bow dash build is just as insane as you guys said it would be
turbid quest
what do you guys mean about the limited boon slots?
Like can you pick up boons that don't do anything or doe sthe game just not offer you them after you've got a slot filled?
primal kayak
You can't get more than one god's effects on an ability
frigid robin
so no stacking crit dash w/ zeus dash
turbid quest
gotcha
frigid robin
tho as we get more gods/levels i wonder how that'll play out bc you can't choose to not take the item dropped
tho are god passives stackable?
i would assume not since a its now taking up your ""passive"" slot
vague hearth
Numbskulls make me cry
frigid robin
mood
vague hearth
Sword build lets go
kind fiber
What do people think of the spear upgrades?
Should I pick trick toss, cruel skewer or impact blast?
indigo compass
whats prick toss?
hollow totem
sage sky
It doesn't bounce off walls, it bounces on enemies. And it's actually the best upgrade there is with cruel skewer for spear special builds
I'd argue it's better than skewer if you really want to go all into special, since it pretty much negates a lot of the problems the spear special has
proud storm
ignore the damage i take but https://gfycat.com/PlasticCourageousCoyote
turbid needle
just found out that taking
- zeus revenge dmg
- aphrodite revenge dmg + weak
- aphrodite increased dmg when weak
instakills all the hydra heads (and your not taking that much dmg, lost 50 life during the fight)
and apparently you can stack the revenge dmg
oblique karma
that sounds like a bug
exotic hazel
are you not supposed to be able to get multiple boons for a single category?
Because Ive had a couple runs where Ive stacked boons for a specific move
exotic hazel
ah
rain silo
Pretty sure some gods power up lock out the ability to upgrade further.
sage sky
No you can't. Revenge is the only exception
oblique karma
oh i didn;t know that
sage sky
The only thing you can stack on the same ability is deadalus upgrades
proud storm
pastel jolt
"uhhhhhh here have some pocket money kiddo"
proud storm
this was after a trial of the gods coincidentally
errant narwhal
lol is he the one you didnt choose?
proud storm
yeah
errant narwhal
"how dare you not choose me! also i only have money"
undone pond
why do i get zero boons 8 rooms in
exotic hazel
my favorite was when I bought an athena boon from charon
and it had 210 obols in it
also is there any way to check what floor youre currently on?
kind fiber
I uhh did the same thing, but only got a 178 😦
thorny zenith
spear dash crit with the quick spin boon is my fave build
uneven shuttle
Then you have gods that give you money as one of their actual boons
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/376948626213306368/522165815542415360/vast_riches.PNG
grand patrol
"go get a wall scroll kid "
uneven shuttle
Unfortunately, this was the last boon before the Hydra. Not even in the shop, so I couldn't do anything with it.
undone pond
when your dad doesnt give you cash so you have to beg your uncle for it
finite shadow
tbh that's my favorite part of poseidon's boon that drops random things
"hey here's a, uh, sandwich? haha you go little dude"
sage sky
Vast riches comes from your cousin athena. It's even worse
undone pond
athena just wants you to buy a shirt
minor axle
the healing items you get from him can be real clutch
stable oyster
any ideas for a fun bow build without special cheese?
minor axle
is it?
stable oyster
yea
worthy path
I'm having a really hard to love anything but the spear.
stable oyster
the charge can be canceled into dash attack into normal attack hold to charge repeat