#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 158

untold trellis Dec 10, 2018, 1:40 AM

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this run my casts only deal 500

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but if i focus fire strong enemies thats enough

uneven shuttle Dec 10, 2018, 1:40 AM

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You can get +2 from the boon and upgrade it for +1/Pom

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 1:40 AM

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They also don’t really get stuck when you use the boons that change them completely

untold trellis Dec 10, 2018, 1:40 AM

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hydra might suck

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lot of hiding

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 1:40 AM

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Much less so at least

uneven shuttle Dec 10, 2018, 1:41 AM

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Some of them still do

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But yeah, it depends

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 1:41 AM

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Yeah

uneven shuttle Dec 10, 2018, 1:42 AM

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I don't really get the logic behind the system, I guess. It doesn't seem to do anything but make magic more frustrating to use

rain trout Dec 10, 2018, 1:42 AM

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do you get something from hades if you give him gifts?

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:42 AM

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I can kind of see if, if you get a build that stacks massive burst damage

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it doesn't matter if they drop if they're dead

grizzled jay Dec 10, 2018, 1:42 AM

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pretty much

sand breach Dec 10, 2018, 1:43 AM

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me, praying for artemis boons for true shot and multi shot cast

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:45 AM

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it does seem that the distance trinket works on casts, though it's gotta go far

untold trellis Dec 10, 2018, 1:45 AM

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I just got the common level multicast boon (already had true shot) this is the dream

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2x 500 dmg shots with 4 charges

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:46 AM

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you can also get the distance trinket to work on spear Attacks, at the VERY edge of it

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I think it works for every weapon but...the sword.

untold trellis Dec 10, 2018, 1:48 AM

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noooo i almost 1 shot hydra

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its down to 10% life

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:48 AM

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rip fam

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have fun beating all 3 phases before him going vulnerable again

untold trellis Dec 10, 2018, 1:49 AM

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he only spawned 2 turrets

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oh no, is that what you mean

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oh now

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:49 AM

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ye then he spawns the next after

untold trellis Dec 10, 2018, 1:49 AM

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oh no

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:49 AM

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and then the next lel

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it's awful

untold trellis Dec 10, 2018, 1:49 AM

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nope, he went vulnerable

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and i got to instantly kill him

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:49 AM

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oh?

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huh, when I had that happen he chained phases while invuln

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 1:50 AM

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Jeez, I just haven’t had the luck to get any insanely OP runs yet

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Everything has just been ok to reasonably good

untold trellis Dec 10, 2018, 1:50 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/iJPPDqI

Imgur

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:50 AM

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I personally reset runs if the Daedelus hammer doesn't give me double arrows on bow special

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:50 AM

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just grab an artemis or aphrodite boon trinket and you're halfway there

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:51 AM

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that helps yeah

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:51 AM

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hey now, the Attack modifiers from hammer are perfectly fine

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 1:51 AM

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Doesn’t help for me lol

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:51 AM

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I like perfect shot and quick shot and triple shot

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 1:51 AM

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Well it helps get a good run

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Nothing even close to op yet

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:51 AM

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I don't ever actually use bow's regular attack

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:51 AM

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😮

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:51 AM

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except for the very start against numbskulls

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I just go full special

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:52 AM

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wow

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:52 AM

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and oneshot enemies with backstabs

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 1:52 AM

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Interesting

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I only use it for that

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:52 AM

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I'm the opposite, never do Special, 100% dash Attack

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 1:52 AM

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Same

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:52 AM

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dash attack is nice too

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 1:52 AM

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Go for that sniper shot with the distant memory compo

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Combo even

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:52 AM

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mmmmmm

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:52 AM

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sec lemme link my megaera kill video, that's my general strat

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYTPPlWWmo8 don't mind the music

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Strider

Hades Early Access Gameplay - Megaera (1st boss) 1:17 kill

Just some raw footage of my best Megaera kill so far. Got incredibly lucky with items this run, allowing for double arrows on the bow special and Afrodite's ...

▶ Play video

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 1:53 AM

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Special backstab 100% with the 100% more shots buffed damage and 350% up close would be pretty good though lol

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:53 AM

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yeeeep

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that's what Id o

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 1:53 AM

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Haven’t been blessed enough to have that yet tho

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:53 AM

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oh, I see

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 1:53 AM

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So oh well

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:53 AM

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I just pump up Attack and thump 400-500 damage shots into her back

night pasture Dec 10, 2018, 1:55 AM

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oh is the weapon that gives you +10% darkness just randomized before each run

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:55 AM

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yep, from the ones you don't currently have in your hand

night pasture Dec 10, 2018, 1:56 AM

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I entirely thought it was an aspect of the sword because it was on there and the sword kind of sucks

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:56 AM

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lol

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:56 AM

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it's such a miniscule bonus too

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really no point to it

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 1:57 AM

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It adds up

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 1:57 AM

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in the full game it'll probably be significant

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:57 AM

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at least right now where there's really no good darkness sink

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yeah perhaps

untold trellis Dec 10, 2018, 1:58 AM

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I have eternal rose but the first blessing I saw was athena

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Is that a bug?

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I don't think there were 2 exits from the previous room

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 2:00 AM

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haven't had that happen before

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 2:01 AM

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if you don't think you passed it, then yeah that's not intended

cyan pollen Dec 10, 2018, 2:05 AM

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Is the CODEX only lore ?

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dose it unlock anything if you max out stuff ?

night pasture Dec 10, 2018, 2:07 AM

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it's just lore itself, but it gives you an indication of who you need to give ambrosia to to unlock keepsakes

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 2:09 AM

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there's no use for keys after unlocking all weapons and all mirror upgrades right?

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would be cool if there were chests that could be unlocked with keys during runs

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 2:16 AM

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I reckon there will be more uses for keys in the future

pliant socket Dec 10, 2018, 2:21 AM

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anyone have hydra tips? Keep getting it to between 20%-40% health before there's just too much going on on the screen and there's no avoiding projectiles. Deflect doesn't even seem to do anything to them.

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 2:22 AM

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being in position to kill the extra heads immediately as they spawn makes a big difference

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then kill two on one side and camp behind the wall until there's safe passage to the other side and kill those two

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in general just camp behind the walls until he comes down and slams

pliant socket Dec 10, 2018, 2:25 AM

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hm..i'll give the camping a shot

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thanks

untold trellis Dec 10, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Huh rare multishot is exactly the same as common multishot. Just +1 projectile on cast

hollow urchin Dec 10, 2018, 2:42 AM

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so im struggling hardcore with the early miniboss dancing skeletons. each time they spawn i either die or lose most of my health/revives

cyan pollen Dec 10, 2018, 2:43 AM

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get weaken dansh

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spam space

untold trellis Dec 10, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Play that fight super super patient at first

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Til you learn how to dodge their attacks

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it will take forever but you shouldn't get hit

cyan pollen Dec 10, 2018, 2:44 AM

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dodge theyr bomb and try to push them in the wall if u oplay sheld or potion

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shield or sword

hollow urchin Dec 10, 2018, 2:46 AM

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my builds have generally been shield attack or shield throw. i do need to try building more around dash, cast, and the other weapons. :/

cyan pollen Dec 10, 2018, 2:47 AM

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I maxed sustain first

slim talon Dec 10, 2018, 2:48 AM

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how do you

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unlock the locked hearts

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on npcs

plush blaze Dec 10, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Give them ambrosia

slim talon Dec 10, 2018, 2:50 AM

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oh just more ambrosia

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neat thanks!

hollow urchin Dec 10, 2018, 2:50 AM

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i think he means the hearts after the ambrosia ones.... pretty sure those cant be unlocked

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is the impression i got but im not far in

cyan pollen Dec 10, 2018, 2:52 AM

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u can also feed the ambrosa to the gods that are not in the start lobby , before you pic k up the skill orbs in the dungeon

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it took me a while to figure that out xD

slim talon Dec 10, 2018, 2:57 AM

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yeah i meant the ones after the ambrosia

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i have achilles with all hearts except the last two cus theyre locked

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im pretty sure he wont just take more ambrosia from me

rain trout Dec 10, 2018, 2:57 AM

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can you get a gift from hades?

hollow urchin Dec 10, 2018, 2:58 AM

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i only have the firs two? maybe it depends on how far into the story you get?

rain trout Dec 10, 2018, 2:59 AM

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I only need 3 to complete all gifts

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just wondering if you gat something from hades too

cyan pollen Dec 10, 2018, 2:59 AM

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go in spolers pls 😄

pearl willow Dec 10, 2018, 3:32 AM

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bleh, zeus special on bow completely underwhelming. seems like it's just additional on damage on hit, not any sort of chain effect.

analog jewel Dec 10, 2018, 3:33 AM

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it chains a bit

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if you upgrade it a couple times it gets really strong

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you can take out like 4 enemies in one shot

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that was how I beat meg on my last run

pearl willow Dec 10, 2018, 3:38 AM

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didnt seem to, i had it up to level 3 i think. took it with the relentless assault special for double projectiles and it felt like i was nickel and diming everything, up close backstab was only like 41 damage x arrows and leaves you pretty vulnerable

slate osprey Dec 10, 2018, 3:38 AM

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at the beginning of the run, there's a little side thing that is blocked off -- I imagine there's a bridge there at some point

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i got to the 2nd level, figured it'd unlock, but didnt

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am i real far?

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 3:40 AM

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Why does it seem like everyone in this chat has such an easy time with this game except me

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I don't know what I am doing wrong but ever since they nerfed the shield (which definitely needed to be done) I can hardly even get past Meg

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 3:43 AM

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how many runs have you done?

lost rose Dec 10, 2018, 3:43 AM

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I imagine a lot of trial, error and lucky rng went into their strategies
I've been having a lot of trouble without the shield too

pearl willow Dec 10, 2018, 3:43 AM

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my first run post nerf with the shield (and trying to use other weapons for the first time) went quite poorly as well lol

hollow bough Dec 10, 2018, 3:43 AM

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you're not the only one jeff, i too am awful at this game

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 3:43 AM

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a lot of it is prior experience for me

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 3:43 AM

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I gotta check how many runs tbh

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 3:43 AM

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I play lots of roguelites

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 3:43 AM

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I feel like I have a lot of darkness

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I play a lot of roguelites too

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The only rogue-type game I ever got very far in was Binding of Isaac lol

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Though I eventually beat Dead Cells

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once

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I think I've done about 30 runs so far in this one

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farthest I've gotten w/o the deflecting shield is 2 rooms after Meg

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 3:45 AM

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I've beat Isaac, beat RoR, beat deathstate (although that games super easy), beat dungeon souls (also real easy), speedrun necrodancer, beat slay the spire, although not on any high ascensions,

dusty moss Dec 10, 2018, 3:45 AM

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You know that you've died enough when Meg starts saying the same lines

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 3:46 AM

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yeah

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On Isaac I got the 100% completed all achievements before Afterbirth came out

analog jewel Dec 10, 2018, 3:46 AM

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I've never beaten the hand of the king in dead cells but I've gotten close several times

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 3:46 AM

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Was a pain in the butt

scarlet plover Dec 10, 2018, 3:46 AM

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I've got 400+ hours in Nuclear Throne and that game can be brutal. I still died a ton in Hades at the beginning. You'll start to get more consistent with more play time

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 3:47 AM

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But yeah problem is I think I don't understand the dash mechanic?

analog jewel Dec 10, 2018, 3:47 AM

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oh although actually I forgot I restarted my save once Early Access ended

dusty moss Dec 10, 2018, 3:47 AM

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one thing that helps is playing as if your life depended on it. No pressure smile

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 3:47 AM

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Like I keep having times where I'm dashing and getting damaged while dashing

analog jewel Dec 10, 2018, 3:47 AM

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have you gotten the mirror upgrade that lets you chain dashes yet?

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oh

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huh

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that might be a glitch

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 3:47 AM

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Like, how long is the invulnerability on the dash?

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Maybe it's because when I dash away from enemies charging at me it's not perpendicular so I hit them at the end of the dash?

scarlet plover Dec 10, 2018, 3:47 AM

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I would say try to avoid dashing through an enemy. Either to the side or back away.

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 3:48 AM

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got it yeah sometimes it doesn't even let me dash though enemies

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Like it will just hit an enemy while dashing and stop

analog jewel Dec 10, 2018, 3:48 AM

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oh actually I would recommend the opposite

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 3:48 AM

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dash doesn't have invun really tbh

lost rose Dec 10, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Yeah it doesn't

analog jewel Dec 10, 2018, 3:48 AM

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if it's something like a lout or a numbskull I'd go towards it to get through

lost rose Dec 10, 2018, 3:48 AM

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It sucks

analog jewel Dec 10, 2018, 3:48 AM

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if it's close

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it doesn't have invulnerability but it should go through enemies

supple summit Dec 10, 2018, 4:10 AM

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do people think the way the boon accessories work is correct? right now it seems like they don't do anything if you go into the 2nd zone with one equipped, and if you swap it out at the accessory case at the start of the 2nd zone, the boon accessory is locked out (because you used it in zone 1) - but you can equip a different one

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it seems weird, like maybe it should go away at the start of the 2nd zone and make you pick a new one

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but maybe it still works? has anyone tested that?

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 4:22 AM

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yeah looks like an inconsistency there

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:31 AM

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anyone beat the 2nd boss?

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*hydra

pulsar loom Dec 10, 2018, 4:32 AM

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I keep getting close, but have only gotten to him with the shield so far- so it always gets lost and I end up standing around for too long.

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:32 AM

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got to him using bow and shield

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but that's it

pulsar loom Dec 10, 2018, 4:32 AM

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Even when I stand still to have the shield come back to me, it decides to go off into the distance instead

quiet dust Dec 10, 2018, 4:32 AM

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I've been finding myself almost never casting and almost never throwing the shield

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In Asphodel

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It's just not worth how unpredictable it is

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:33 AM

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i got epic throw buff and just built up on it

quiet dust Dec 10, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Also, I've gotten to the hydra with spear, bow, and shield, only beaten with shield

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:33 AM

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up close?

quiet dust Dec 10, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Yeah

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:33 AM

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it all seems too chaotic to formulate a pattern

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after it drops to 70% ish its just madness

quiet dust Dec 10, 2018, 4:34 AM

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I had the lightning dash and fast charge for the shield rush

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:34 AM

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ares epic delayed dps = OP

quiet dust Dec 10, 2018, 4:34 AM

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So I was just deflecting, dash spamming, and then beating away

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:34 AM

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ohhh ok hmm never thought of that jsut spam charge dash

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hmm hope i get lucky on that

quiet dust Dec 10, 2018, 4:35 AM

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You can charge, then dash and it'll release the charge

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So you can charge the shield rush, dash, lightning hits, then you are deflecting

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So you don't take damage, move super fast, and can just spam it

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:35 AM

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ohh ok ok

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thats neat

quiet dust Dec 10, 2018, 4:35 AM

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Certainly not close to the really fast kills people have been getting with some of aphro's stuff

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:36 AM

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shield never really is a high dps (unless you get the wall build) set up

quiet dust Dec 10, 2018, 4:36 AM

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Not after the patch

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:36 AM

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by the way, what's the purple thing on the waepons on the armory?

quiet dust Dec 10, 2018, 4:36 AM

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Gives you 10% bonus darkness that run

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:37 AM

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oh awesome

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thanks

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 4:42 AM

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ok so after complaining a few hours ago it looks like I beat the hydra by doing one of the super cheesy builds recommended in this forum lol

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:44 AM

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can you give me the link to the forums please thanks

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 4:44 AM

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sorry I meant this discord chat

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Took the Artemis trinket and just got the true-shot and multi-shot and then a whole bunch of pommes of power

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like 7 of thewm

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maybe more

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So I was shooting like 6 guided projectiles per cast for 181 dam each

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was cheesy af

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:47 AM

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ohh ok did that before with meg yeah that's op af

pearl willow Dec 10, 2018, 4:48 AM

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man if you dont have a lot of damage or a shield the last phases of the hydra are such a pain

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 4:48 AM

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gonna see if I can be as cheesy with Ares

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 4:50 AM

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also a sick build ares delayed damage+ bow special

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man that chew through everything. just got greedy with chest

pearl willow Dec 10, 2018, 5:27 AM

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finally had one of those nasty bow setups ive heard about, hit for 1200+ a few times lol.

lost rose Dec 10, 2018, 5:27 AM

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damn!!!

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what was your loadout?

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 5:29 AM

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epic armor break maybe then crit haha

pearl willow Dec 10, 2018, 5:30 AM

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steady shot, aphrodite attack epic level 3 i think, +damage to weakened foes and artemis dash

slate osprey Dec 10, 2018, 5:30 AM

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I am 35 runs in, and i still dont understand the bow 'release attack while flashing' thing

lost rose Dec 10, 2018, 5:31 AM

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Oh, the power shot?

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It's a mechanic from Pyre, actually

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 5:31 AM

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its also from the bow in bastion

slate osprey Dec 10, 2018, 5:31 AM

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i rubber duckied this

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i just realized 'flashing' is not dashing

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 5:31 AM

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lmao

lost rose Dec 10, 2018, 5:31 AM

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oh noooo

slate osprey Dec 10, 2018, 5:31 AM

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but when the character is literally flashing

lost rose Dec 10, 2018, 5:31 AM

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well hopefully that helps haha

slate osprey Dec 10, 2018, 5:31 AM

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womp womp

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okay, random question

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is there any advantage to going in to a boss room?

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i am in the fountain room, and my two choices are both dark essence, but one is with a boss

pearl willow Dec 10, 2018, 5:38 AM

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iirc it grants more darkness, i think it's 20 instead of 10?

slate osprey Dec 10, 2018, 5:38 AM

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kk

onyx badger Dec 10, 2018, 5:44 AM

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@slate osprey My strategy is to delay going into hard/boss levels as long as possible, accruing as many power-ups as possible before being forced to fight a boss.

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 5:59 AM

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I do a quick cost/benefit, because if I'm at full health and have a reasonably 'working' setup, it might be better to go ahead

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Rather than be caught when I don't have a choice

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The rewards seem better (signifcantly) from those rooms, too

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 6:03 AM

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1st time seeing legendary boon wow

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:04 AM

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ONly one I've gotten is zeus, but I didn't have a good zeus power (at atll)

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 6:04 AM

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aphro = charm to fight alongside you

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wuuut

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:06 AM

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Zeus is additional lightning orbs (many, many many ones) every time you spawn in lightning from anything

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So even with my shield toss on the second area it would be crawling with them. Problem is your shield toss goes off in the middle of nowhere in the second area and it takes forever to return

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Which is what killed me

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 6:09 AM

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is it just me or is the sword just useless

lost rose Dec 10, 2018, 6:11 AM

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yeah, people have been working on strategies to make it Less Useless but the general opinion is that it's not great

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 6:12 AM

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yeah coz the special is just bad... the damage doesn't justify the delay of your movement. would be better if it was just something you leave and do damage then move out of the way but its just a cause of your death

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 6:14 AM

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Plus the swing of the sword itself locks you out of a dash

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so if you mistime it, you cant just hop out real fast, you get bonked

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 6:15 AM

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yeah that too... would be nice also if you just make the sword the "slow" weapon altogether but with less movement delay

slate osprey Dec 10, 2018, 6:16 AM

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what's the point of giving ambrosia to gods/npcs after the gift?

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 6:16 AM

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More dialogue

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But no benefit in the actual run

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At least not at this point

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:17 AM

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Well the keyy thing about the sword special

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Is you can't move right after it, but you can -dash- way way sooner than you can move

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So you can dash into special dash out pretty effectively

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 6:18 AM

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That isnt helpful for me when I try to do the fresh save file run though lgwCry

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:18 AM

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Still, that's kinda niche, and it really begs you to have deflect on the special, and then probably bigger aoe on it

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It's really just not good. Unlock the bow asap (which is pretty early) and you can get going quickly

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Or luck out and get ares's shot upgrade and just use that and pretend you don't have anything else...

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 6:19 AM

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Oh I know all about that yo, I am just talkin about trying to win on a literal fresh save file

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Bow is my LIFE tho

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 6:20 AM

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You don't even need weapons, just use the Artemis keepsake and get the True Shot and Multi Shot boons then like 6 pommes of power

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And cheese everything to death

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It looks like for the bow, bow + ares or bow + aphrodite are both pretty strong

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Aphrodite and Ares cast are also quite good

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gonna try to go all in on Poseidon cast and see if it works

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 6:23 AM

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Aphrodite is the top tier

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 6:24 AM

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agree

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 6:24 AM

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Top tier is aphrodite + artemis

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at least on bow

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 6:24 AM

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aphro and res for me if you get ares' delay damage

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 6:25 AM

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sword isn't useless

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just underpowered

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 6:25 AM

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but it isnt useful

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 6:25 AM

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up to now i still have fun with it

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 6:25 AM

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The spear is just a better sword imo

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 6:26 AM

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49 runs

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 6:26 AM

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it kinda is

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:26 AM

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Honestly the thing that would make the sword stronger would be a charge attack for it base

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 6:26 AM

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Also is it bad that while I am excited for adding a full complement of gods, enemies, weapons, etc. to the game, the thing I am most excited for is when Orpheus actually sings?

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 6:26 AM

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but have you considered using the bow and 2 shotting everything 🤔

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It depends jeff

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 6:26 AM

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very hugely boon dependent and even then there's no free wins

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 6:26 AM

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spear has range, and better mobility with it compared to sword imo

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:26 AM

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Sword has overlong animations, too

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 6:27 AM

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but yeah everyone tends to come to the conclusion that sword is the worst

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:27 AM

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But if the sword had base a very strong charge attack

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 6:27 AM

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which is true

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 6:27 AM

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is your favorite part of bastion when you get the lyrics for Zia's theme

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 6:27 AM

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One of my two favorite parts of bastion were where we first meet Zia and get Zia's theme

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:27 AM

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Like stronger than the 3rd hit of the combo, maybe even a deflect portion, but a longish charge

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So it's strictly worse than using the charge of the shield for example, but does a lot of damage

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 6:27 AM

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The other part was when you get knocked out by the plant and all of a sudden everything goes all weird, the effect was very cool

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:28 AM

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Then the use case for the sword would be blink in and unleash with the sword charge

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 6:28 AM

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Then yeah its fine that you are so hyped for Orpheus

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:28 AM

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And that would combo with all the crit after dodge

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 6:28 AM

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I also thought that the part of Pyre where you are sailing and the members of your caravan ask Tariq for a song was very artistic

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 6:28 AM

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I mean the whole deal with Orpheus is that he lost his muse

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 6:28 AM

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Yeah but that's probably because Darren hasn't recorded more than 1 song yet

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 6:28 AM

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So I bet that him singing means we brought back Euridice lgwHype

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:29 AM

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Also, who else is guilty of accidentlaly beating the crap out of charon on a regular basis?

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 6:29 AM

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I know Darren's recorded one because the online soundtrack has one with Orpheus singing

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:29 AM

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Like I don't...mean to? But he's near pots so often..

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 6:29 AM

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I don't because that nerd bounces me away.

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:29 AM

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and then he does the sigh...

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 6:29 AM

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I was so bummed when Orpheus asked me if I wanted him to sing a song, gave me a choice of three, and then said he wasn't going to sing it

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 6:30 AM

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lol

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same

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 6:30 AM

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Maybe at some point you can find Persephone and she also sings and she's voiced by the woman who sings as Zia/Red/Celeste

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And then you get another Darren Korb soundtrack for me to play on repeat

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 6:31 AM

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same

rough field Dec 10, 2018, 6:31 AM

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Regardless, based on what I've played so far I am very excited for the full game

twin crag Dec 10, 2018, 6:34 AM

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does anyone have any suggestions for the meg fight

nocturne light Dec 10, 2018, 6:35 AM

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wait for her to dash on the corner then nick her then move out

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:35 AM

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Well it just embarassingly kicked my ass, but I've certainly beaten it a number of times. What is your prefered weapon?

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Baiting her into the corner is good, but have a plan for when she does her huge spray

twin crag Dec 10, 2018, 6:36 AM

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rn im using the shield, and i get her down to 3/4 health then drop

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 6:37 AM

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drop to what?

twin crag Dec 10, 2018, 6:37 AM

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as in, i die

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 6:37 AM

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like what attack does you in

twin crag Dec 10, 2018, 6:38 AM

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uhh, either badly dashing into her whip attack, or one of the other mobs

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 6:39 AM

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I assume you don't have the extra dashes yet?

twin crag Dec 10, 2018, 6:39 AM

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i have 1

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 6:39 AM

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if not that'll help you easily get out of the whip attack

twin crag Dec 10, 2018, 6:39 AM

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as in 1 extra

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 6:40 AM

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it maxes out at 2 extra so you might as well do that

twin crag Dec 10, 2018, 6:40 AM

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coolio

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i also just cant seem to do enough damage, any tips for that?

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 6:40 AM

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otherwise if you just wanna stay at a comfortable range, go bow and do dash shots

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well...in terms of damage, it just comes down to your luck on boons. always try to focus on buffing one action, like all Attack buffs or all Special. maxing out the dash attack from the mirror (Quick Temper) also is easy extra damage

twin crag Dec 10, 2018, 6:42 AM

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thanks for the help! im gonna go try it

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 6:42 AM

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good luck!

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 6:46 AM

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Ares shot is incredibly strong vs her.

errant ridge Dec 10, 2018, 6:50 AM

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question for avegning gain to work how fast do you have to attack

uneven oracle Dec 10, 2018, 6:51 AM

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You can see a second bar overlayed on your life bar when you take damage. It is similar to the rally system in Bloodborne if you have ever played that.

errant ridge Dec 10, 2018, 6:52 AM

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i have played bloodborne so that makes sense. i guess im so focused on not dying half the time i didnt see the bar thanks

uneven oracle Dec 10, 2018, 6:52 AM

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Haha. I get ya. Basically it's pretty freakin' fast that you have to attack back.

errant ridge Dec 10, 2018, 6:55 AM

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yeah and half the time the amount is so small i didnt notice it was there, thought there would be a slightly longer window

twin crag Dec 10, 2018, 6:58 AM

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uh i have two boon icons overlaying each other, thats a bug right?

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oh it aint

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ohno

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 6:59 AM

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😅

rich lantern Dec 10, 2018, 7:02 AM

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@twin crag um rip

twin crag Dec 10, 2018, 7:02 AM

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yeah

rich lantern Dec 10, 2018, 7:02 AM

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I hope you made it?

twin crag Dec 10, 2018, 7:02 AM

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well at least it aint a bug

rich lantern Dec 10, 2018, 7:02 AM

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Those are tough fights!

twin crag Dec 10, 2018, 7:03 AM

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i only have aphrodite and artemis boons, and it was between those two i was conflicted

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dangit meg got me again

errant ridge Dec 10, 2018, 7:07 AM

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question a door with a skull under the item icon thats a boss right

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or is the boss always a number of rooms way

forest marsh Dec 10, 2018, 7:08 AM

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It means the next room is a boss, yes

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You can skip the skeleton twins fight if you have an alternate route to take, though

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I've had many runs make it to Meg without seeing the twins

sturdy ice Dec 10, 2018, 7:09 AM

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if you get lucky with your first boon by getting athena's deflect + dmg with your special, you can cheese every room spaming special and deflecting all attacks. even the first minibosses that throw bombs become a joke. difficulty is so variable on each run through

lost rose Dec 10, 2018, 7:20 AM

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@twin crag i also thought it was a bug at first lmao

supple lake Dec 10, 2018, 7:27 AM

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nooooo goodbye The Shield

cloud pawn Dec 10, 2018, 7:29 AM

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Sorry I must've missed this in the tool tip, but what does marking someone with the cast do?

forest marsh Dec 10, 2018, 7:30 AM

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@cloud pawn Nothing at the moment. It just let's you know where your cast is stuck in. It will dislodge eventually, or sooner if you kill the target

cloud pawn Dec 10, 2018, 7:30 AM

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got it, thought it was a debuff or something so I was confused

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So it's really just another attack/dmg move right

forest marsh Dec 10, 2018, 7:31 AM

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Yes, and it can get buffs/boons just like your other attacks

cloud pawn Dec 10, 2018, 7:31 AM

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thanks ❤

exotic hazel Dec 10, 2018, 8:04 AM

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beat my first run using a casting build

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holy CRAP it gets strong once you get artemis boons

lost finch Dec 10, 2018, 8:04 AM

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true shot projectiles are crazy

exotic hazel Dec 10, 2018, 8:04 AM

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5 homing projectiles per shot, more damage, more stones, and then both charon stone buffs

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poor hydra MELTED

wind vortex Dec 10, 2018, 8:05 AM

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Yeah cast either sucks or is amazing depending on boons in my experience

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 8:07 AM

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is there any way to dodge out of the hydras projectiles

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cause rn whenever i make a mistake its 30hp lost

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 8:11 AM

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you just gotta get on the other side of the projectiles

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either that or get back behind the walls

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 8:20 AM

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i mean yeah thats ideal

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but if you accidentally dodge across the wall and start getting hit

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is there anything you can do

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 8:39 AM

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not really

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 8:41 AM

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I GOT MY SWORD WIN
https://imgur.com/bCBIRu4

Imgur

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LETS GO

forest marsh Dec 10, 2018, 8:42 AM

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Congrats!

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 8:42 AM

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I've got a clear with each weapon now

forest marsh Dec 10, 2018, 8:43 AM

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Now you gotta go for that first run clear Kappa

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 8:43 AM

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NO

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I needed a god run as is

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I was actually messing around

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took ares trinket

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opening gift was flurry

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which was sweet

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and then I picked up ares attack

tiny forum Dec 10, 2018, 8:48 AM

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Can anyone tl;dr the significance of runs that open with a title? DOG, NOBODY etc

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 8:49 AM

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none

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its just story

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 8:50 AM

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oh, hell yeah

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good stuff

tiny forum Dec 10, 2018, 8:51 AM

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Word, thanks! Does the last chthonic person show up after meg or complete run? @hushed ledge

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 8:51 AM

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I'll check

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 9:02 AM

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@errant ridge a bit late of a reply but I saw people mentioning that the door with skull is a boss. That is not quite true. If it is a skull with a God's symbol on floor one, its always the Skeleton Twins. If it is just a skull with the darkness symbol, then it could be other encounters

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@tiny forum are you referring to the codex? you should be able to see all the chthonic entries after meg

tiny forum Dec 10, 2018, 9:05 AM

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@copper berry Yup, im getting whacked at meg each time thus far. Been using random items etc and testing things. Was just curious, thanks!

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:05 AM

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haha rip, got the sword clear before me

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i still haven't met hydra yet

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:05 AM

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Oof

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I have maxed non-boon mirror upgrades tbf

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 9:06 AM

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noice

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I suggest after getting like 10% into the rare boon, you take those 500 darkness and just pop em into epic instead

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:06 AM

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oh yea good job tho, sword is rough

copper berry Dec 10, 2018, 9:06 AM

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the difference between rare and epic is INSANE

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gn yall I cant wait to come play and talk more tomorrow

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dangHug

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:07 AM

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im still missing quite a few upgrades but still focusing on making progress over farming darkness

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:08 AM

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Night dino

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I focused on darkness

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:08 AM

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i have the major stuff but only one increase to both rare and epic chances

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feels like ive been making a lot of visible progress in different ways after clearing meg the first time

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:09 AM

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Yeah

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After you clear meg once it's a lot easier

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:10 AM

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ye

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:11 AM

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I felt that till I went back and tried sword again after not using it for a while.

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I no longer feel that way.

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:11 AM

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Yeah sword is super painful

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:11 AM

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yep

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but i like the feel enough that i never wanted to switch

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:12 AM

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It's not impossible to use, it's quite viable, it's just....not as good as the other choices.

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:12 AM

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The other's feel so much better

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:12 AM

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I don't get why it's the only one without a charge attack

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:12 AM

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The shield feels amazing

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:12 AM

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yea everyone tends to come to that conclusion sooner or later

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:13 AM

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Honestly it' sso widespread I'm sure there's a fix/balance on it incoming

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:14 AM

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yea im waiting on a buff to sword but still grinding in the meantime

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i've made it work

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:14 AM

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I suspect the only reason the shield fix came through so quickly was they noticed that an OVERWHELMING number of people were completing with shield first, like probably 80% or something crazy (since it was absolutely the easiest weapon to get through)

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SO they balanced it way down a temporary thing and will do a more serious tuning pass later

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:15 AM

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there isn't a clear easy fix for sword is the thing

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:15 AM

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there are a few

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:15 AM

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less direct than simply removing deflect

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:15 AM

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Give it a charge attack, cut down the pause from the special, remove the frame count on the attacks

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:15 AM

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im sure a lot of people have their own ideas though

tiny forum Dec 10, 2018, 9:15 AM

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Y animation could use a bit of a buff. But sword with posiedon boon is nice

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:15 AM

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Any of htose would work just fine

dapper bridge Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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The pause after the special is just crushing sometimes

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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Pro tip on that

dapper bridge Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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Really have to be careful with it

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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Don't move after you use the special, -dash-

dapper bridge Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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Oh man you're right

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I've been trying to see if dash cancelling is a thing

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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Dash frees up like a full .2 seconds faster, it's -very- noticible

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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i wouldnt have the most educated opinion at least since i barely touched the other weapons

dapper bridge Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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Seems to work sometimes

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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You can dash well before you can move.

tiny forum Dec 10, 2018, 9:17 AM

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@hot yoke is right

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thanks homie

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:17 AM

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Mind you if you get deflect on special and larger range/damage, the sword starts ripping stuff apart.

tiny forum Dec 10, 2018, 9:17 AM

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im doing a pure swing build and wall smashiing ppl but thats nice to know

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:18 AM

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That special with dash in/out is actually killer, if you get into the timing space for it. It's just...that's a lot of work to get there, and you have to get good boons for it

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:18 AM

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but dealing damage while dodging attacks might be more difficult than it should be

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which i see as its main flaw

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:18 AM

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again, deflect

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the sword does benefit from the widest swing when you have deflect upgraded

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1st and 3rd attack, anyway, the second one I haven't gotten to a space where I can test it fully

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but both of those are wider than shield simple attack hit, which is the second wides

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Admittedly we're talking like a 105 degree cone instead of a 90, but it's something

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It just needs some tweaking, adn I'm fine for them to take a bit on it. The game -just- came out

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and it's early access, and still feels great.

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:20 AM

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and it's such a broad weakness that there's a multitude of possible fixes

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:20 AM

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That too

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Hell, it might even not really -need- a fix for much later, if it ends up that the sword is the one that maxes out as the highest

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Like starts weakest but once you get through level x (whatever that ends up being) it ends up being the one that upgrades the most

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Which currently firmly belongs to bow, but hey

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:21 AM

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judging from what people have said here yeah

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still the bow

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:21 AM

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Bow could top out, somehow

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Like you can only upgrade it so many times, or the sword gets nonlinear scaling at the top end, or something.

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There's a LOT of design space

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Plus there's at least two more weapons

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:22 AM

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ofc

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beginning stages of early access anyway

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:23 AM

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My guess is a whip

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 9:23 AM

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i wouldnt mind a staff tbh

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:23 AM

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and I'm not sure for the last slot.

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 9:23 AM

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fisticuffs

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 9:23 AM

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something that uses casts to do things

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:23 AM

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Staff isn't really greek, though

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 9:23 AM

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oo

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nah i mean magic staff

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:23 AM

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Again, not really greek

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 9:23 AM

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caestus would be v nice though

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you sure?

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caduceus

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:24 AM

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two snakes, and it's used for HEALING, c'mon..

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There's a reason it's the hippocratic oath, et all.

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Not really a weapon, per se

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 9:25 AM

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theres also whatever dionysus used to have

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some weird staff with a pine cone and leaves

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also these arent real weapons

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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WEll the others are

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traditional, in fact.

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which is why I suggested a whip

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I mean, technically the shield should get a net

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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the spear isnt real

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ill check the others

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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Not that design, no

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 9:27 AM

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i mean the actual name

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:27 AM

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But spears are traditionally very greek

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Oh

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Yeah, no

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I figured they wanted to leave those open, since they COULD have used famous spears/bows/shields, I was more saying they're archtypical greek weapons of war

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:31 AM

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got my post-nerf shield clear, so now I can say I've cleared every weapon in their current state

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I'm getting better at hydra

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:33 AM

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About how many runs are you at, out of curiousity?

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:39 AM

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42 I think?

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May I present my guide to the difficult part of Hydra:
https://imgur.com/wfTPQlg

Imgur

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and you can be at B if you want to for the curve

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but basically you need to be at the side strongly for barrage

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and you switch strongly to the other side

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you clear C last because you can easily tell when its gonna barrage, and without A/B up, its safe to lure the barrage

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 9:41 AM

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woah 42 im at about 40 hehe

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:41 AM

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my first clear was at 22

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with pre-nerf shield. Next clear was 23 with spear iirc, although it may have been bow

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 9:42 AM

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Caestus would be a cool new weapon eventually

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and maybe something that work similarly to the "stealth" from transistor

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a dagger/knife or some such

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 9:43 AM

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I'm not really sure I agree with caestus, but something stealthy would be cool. Hell, honestly, what harm is there in stealing your dad's helm?

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He's not wearing it

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It was the original tool of invisibility

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Might even be planned, who knows?

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 9:44 AM

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some sort of fast close range melee would be good

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if not caestus then twin daggers or smth

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I say caestus because of god of war 3

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those were fun

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 9:46 AM

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oh damn, my first clear was run 22 as well...

tiny forum Dec 10, 2018, 9:47 AM

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what keep sake you running mostly?

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:47 AM

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I currently open a god and then switch to collar, although I experimented with switching to earing

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 9:47 AM

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distant memory or artemis

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:47 AM

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distant memory isn't great, the tooltip is misleading tbh

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its only 20% bonus damage at max

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 9:48 AM

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no, I know

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:48 AM

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I feel like you'd be better off with something else

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 9:48 AM

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when you're picking boons that are multiplicative it adds up

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:48 AM

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fair

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 9:48 AM

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its decent from the second section if you have a good build

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 9:48 AM

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especially since the bow is guaranteed every shot

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 9:49 AM

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i prefer the red tearstone one

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since its fun to just steamroll through with the 200% damage boost

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 9:49 AM

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I can see why you wouldn't use it for how little game we have right now, though

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I think it'll be a big one for release

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 9:50 AM

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yeah it seems like the kind of thing that might be reworked

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same with the bow considering how fast it scales atm

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 9:52 AM

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yeah, I'm super curious what damage will look like when a new zone is added

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or hell, what damage will look like next week

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:52 AM

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ikr

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next week sword is meta

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 9:53 AM

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i get the feeling that the game might scale more slowly

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since with only one boon per ability you end up stacked by the end of the second zone

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 9:53 AM

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yep, that's what will be interesting...

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you can rush into major damage early, but when the boon stacking runs dry, will it be enough for the rest of the game

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 9:54 AM

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I have a feeling it will be reworked, because it doesn't work well in the long run tbh

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hmm I should make a guide for meg

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although everyone has different strategies

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 9:58 AM

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I think breaking down each attack would be pretty valuable

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when you stop fearing everything she does it becomes manageable

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(I was going to say easy but my experience obviously doesn't align with many)

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 10:00 AM

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she's easy on runs that aren't awful

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 10:00 AM

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yeah, when you walk in with 200+ damage it suddenly becomes trivial

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 10:04 AM

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The one thing that may (?) be a problem later is there are builds that are almost impossible to play with

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 10:04 AM

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you could post the attack pattern on the wiki

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 10:04 AM

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Like if you lose a quick dash, and don't really get good damage upgrades

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For example, going up to meg with absolutely zero upgrades is, potentially, possible

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And I'm not entirely sure that boss is beatable if you have zero

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ROguelikes and roguelites have a common thread that past a point player skill can overcome anything, and you can do everythign with the starting gear

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 10:05 AM

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not isaac though

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 10:05 AM

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I've done it

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In isaac.

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That specifically. You just have ot suffer through the unlocks

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 10:06 AM

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low% in isaac is nutty

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 10:06 AM

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OH it's not fun and I would not recommend it

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I did it as a break after getting all the zero damage achivements

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Hush with zero upgrades can die forever.

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 10:07 AM

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surprised anyone both bothered and managed

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 10:07 AM

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Yeah, well, it took a while

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 10:07 AM

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I don't know if you consider the mirror when you say zero upgrades, as I think with the dash and backstab buffs alone you can beat Meg rather comfortably

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 10:07 AM

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I am considering nothing in the mirror, as well

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 10:08 AM

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mmm...then you might be right

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 10:08 AM

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It's not a realistic case for Hades as it stands right now, I don't think. And htat's just the first boss.

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I imagine on boss 4, or 5, or whatever, that that's not going to be possible, and I don't like that in a roguelike

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 10:08 AM

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it might be feasible with the bow but it sure sounds unfun

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also you did Hush with zero upgrades? good lord

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 10:09 AM

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It took a very long time

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Honestly getting to the boss rush alone took...a lot of attempts

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 10:09 AM

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that's easy to believe

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 10:09 AM

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Since with zero damage upgrades you're spending msot of the time in boss fights, so you're basically speed running and guessing everything

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And no question, I got lucky. I'm sure someone else has done it better and cleaner.

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 10:10 AM

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turns out i have 50 when i said i had 40

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attempts

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general

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 10:10 AM

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yeah, I think hydra is actually impossible with no upgrades, now that I think about it

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unless you break the fight

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and you'd just break to shielded enemies beforehand

hot yoke Dec 10, 2018, 10:11 AM

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See, while I think that upgrades should make a significant difference (and they do), I'm not sure it should just brick wall you. I am -not- certain that you can do a run and actually just roll enough 1s not to get any upgrades

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Like i think there is enough bad luck protection to force upgrades on you

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BUt if you pick the very wrong ones, well...

granite jackal Dec 10, 2018, 10:12 AM

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yo congrats on Sword win @hushed ledge

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Respect.

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 10:12 AM

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thanks

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it was a silly run

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but it was like my 5th hydra attempt with sword

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and I played better than before

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hydra is not longer a mess

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I know what I'm doing

granite jackal Dec 10, 2018, 10:13 AM

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Yeah I find when I stay really calm on Hydra

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I do a lot better

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 10:14 AM

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it was more that I was pulling barrages, circling under, and cleaning up heads while doing so tbh

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 10:15 AM

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why would meg low% be impossible btw?

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 10:15 AM

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because you can't not pick up boons

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so you'd have to never get one

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 10:16 AM

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oh yeah well there's that

granite jackal Dec 10, 2018, 10:16 AM

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Yeah, it's literally impossible on a system level

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Or at least very unlikely

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But we can tryyy~

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 10:17 AM

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that makes me curious now...

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 10:22 AM

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there's no reason meg should be theoretically impossible

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haven't even seen hydra yet though so i can't say for that

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 10:22 AM

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yeah afaik you'll probably have to pick up a boon

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theres p much no chance you'll be able to skip every one

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 10:24 AM

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but assuming it were possible to make it to meg

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 10:26 AM

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just started trying to do bow runs

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what are the best hammer upgrades

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since ive just been taking the 250% on perfect shots

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 10:27 AM

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thats one of them

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 10:28 AM

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is the rapid shot one any good

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since ive been considering making a zues build with it

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 10:28 AM

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no

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 10:29 AM

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first run trying to not get boons, the first three rooms give me boons...does the game know

granite jackal Dec 10, 2018, 10:37 AM

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The Chambers of Tartarus always read your mind, boy.

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But go on, get out, don't let me stop you.

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Can you imagine Hades' reaction when he finds out you're skipping boons so you and your ex can wrestle on Final Destination No Items?

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he'd be like 'wat'

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 10:38 AM

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yeah they'd have to actively put in support for low%

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 10:50 AM

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in those rooms where you choose a boon

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you should really lose any boons that god gave you

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until you finish the room

pastel jolt Dec 10, 2018, 10:52 AM

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“fine then! see how you do without my help.”

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yknow what it’s just petty enough to make sense

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 10:57 AM

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that could be one of the patented supergiant modifiers later on in developemtn

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 10:58 AM

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ok, I got to Meg with...kind of no boons. in that I put boons on special and cast and just ignored them.

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it seems impossible to get to her without at least 2

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anyways I guess I'll try to beat her with unbuffed attacks now

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 10:59 AM

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yeah its unbuffed if you dont use the abilities imo

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at least until they add an option to just skip them

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also

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finally finished a sword run

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took like 20 runs though

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:03 AM

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Grats

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 11:06 AM

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and done

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Meg slain

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with only unbuffed 40 damage arrow shots

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if you ever want to get extremely nervous, go ahead and try that

rapid peak Dec 10, 2018, 11:09 AM

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Did my first ever 1000+ damage instance. Aphrodites "Weak enemies takes extra damage" is waaaay to good

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Killed Meg in 1 normal spear attack and 4 charged up

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 11:24 AM

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yeah if you can get that with the crit dash and crit buff you can p much oneshot the final boss

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:37 AM

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btw you can destroy projectiles with the sword without upgrades

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took me quite some time to realize that

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and i'm defeating meg on more runs than not (sword)

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very usable but takes a lot of time to learn

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and still probably the weakest weapon

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:38 AM

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Wait till you try the other weapons, sword is miles behind

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:39 AM

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haha i'm sure

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unironically

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just waiting on that sword buff

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:40 AM

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It'll happen sooner or later tbh

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:40 AM

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ye

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54 attempts and still haven't seen hydra

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i feel like i put in so much work but you need sooooo much

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52 sword attempts

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:43 AM

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Tbh I got Hydra in maybe 7-10 serious sword attempts, but you're having to learn patterns with sword

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:43 AM

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plus you had all darkness upgrades

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:44 AM

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Yeah

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How's your darkness going?

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:44 AM

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it's always mildly saddening to see so many people reach and defeat hydra with the other weapons but i have zero regrets

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uhhh pretty good in everything but only +1 for the last two

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:45 AM

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Yeah, I was maxed in everything except like 7 in rare and 0 in epic when I cleared

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:46 AM

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ah then i imagine it wasn't that much better than mine

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:47 AM

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Yeah

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:47 AM

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all good though i'm still happy to do what i do

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:47 AM

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But I had the experience with asphodel and Hydra from other weapons

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:47 AM

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exactly

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the kicker

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:48 AM

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Sword was definitely frustrating to start, but as I played it, I learnt how to use it better, although it's still slow as heck tbh

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:48 AM

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yeah i don't actually know the speed comparison between sword and everything else

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:49 AM

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Spear is basically sword but faster and with more range, shield is probably about as fast as sword but much more damage and range, bow is a tad slower but more damage and heck tons of range

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:51 AM

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noted

subtle walrus Dec 10, 2018, 11:52 AM

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You can clear out rooms pretty quick with an upgraded shield throw

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Just do that and keep dodging while it goes to town

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:52 AM

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When you get to Hydra, don't forget my handy guide for the only hard part:
https://i.imgur.com/wfTPQlg.jpg
Legit just follow this and make sure you don't lose track of yourself and Hydra is much easier

Imgur

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:53 AM

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when shield is doing more damage than a sword in a video game you know something's off

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 11:53 AM

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just found out that sword runs are really easy

subtle walrus Dec 10, 2018, 11:53 AM

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The sword is pretty much becoming obsolete

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 11:53 AM

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just never use the sword and use artemis cast

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:53 AM

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artemis cast huh

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:53 AM

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No swearing

subtle walrus Dec 10, 2018, 11:54 AM

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Yeah I meant it in a casual way

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Sorry about that

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:54 AM

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Yeah, it happens

prime lance Dec 10, 2018, 11:54 AM

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@hushed ledge it looks like smile face 😃

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:54 AM

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I recommend just editing it to like "stuff"

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It does

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:54 AM

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sword has always been pretty obsolete

hushed ledge Dec 10, 2018, 11:54 AM

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Because that's what your face will be when you realise how it works

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 11:55 AM

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friendly reminder that the spear is 2x as fast and does 1.5x the damage that a sword does

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:55 AM

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:[

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 11:55 AM

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while having ranged options

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and a superior aoe

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 11:55 AM

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mean

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hehe

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 11:55 AM

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also you can dash to move the aoe

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when thats a hammer upgrade for the sword

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hopefully theyll give sword a buff sometime soon

subtle walrus Dec 10, 2018, 11:57 AM

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Maybe some stunlocking?

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Actually wait that wouldn't work

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With the shield bash you can stunlock some enemies into a coma

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Combine that with the wall slam

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And man

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Yeah I guess I have no idea how to make it more useful

fallen lintel Dec 10, 2018, 12:00 PM

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yea that's why it hasn't been buffed yet

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big 🤔

subtle walrus Dec 10, 2018, 12:00 PM

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The t-pose parry spooks enemies

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lol

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 12:02 PM

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i think maybe buff sword to 15 and make the thrust do ~30

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and reduce the massive lag on the special

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 12:09 PM

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here's a stupid video that nobody asked for that took way too long to process https://youtu.be/Zd_y6lXmZDQ

YouTube

Wastrel

Hades - Meg vs Unbuffed Attack Bow

Why did I do this? I wanted this to be a no boon run, but you quickly find out that there's no way to get no boons. So I put boons on Special and Cast and th...

▶ Play video

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maybe it would be good for showing how to dodge Meg's attacks if you ignore the 6-8 times that I get hit (no)

subtle walrus Dec 10, 2018, 12:11 PM

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Good work

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 12:12 PM

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thanks, also I probably shouldn't be encouraged

subtle walrus Dec 10, 2018, 12:16 PM

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Pacifist run when

quaint gale Dec 10, 2018, 12:17 PM

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speech checks please

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 12:33 PM

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artemis cast and multishot is disgustingly consistent imo

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2 boons you can get with the trinket, and its pretty much a free win

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even worse than the original shield

rain axle Dec 10, 2018, 1:09 PM

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Other than making the game more difficult is there a reason to use any other weapon than the shield?

proud storm Dec 10, 2018, 1:10 PM

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the bow is nice

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spear is too tricky for me

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though to be fair i havent tried more than that

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 1:11 PM

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the spear is pretty good

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:11 PM

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The spear is nice

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 1:11 PM

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if you get the artemis dash and aphro boons, you can do 1600 on a spin

proud storm Dec 10, 2018, 1:12 PM

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oh jesus

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:12 PM

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Shield is god tier, but spear is right behind it

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 1:13 PM

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id say bow= spear>shield

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since you can get ridiculous scaling on the bow

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:14 PM

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Can you explain to me how to bow?

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Because it feels way weaker than the spear. At least for me.

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 1:16 PM

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im not the best tbh

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not my kind of weapon

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but youre essentially meant to build, aphro boons(damage and passive) and artemis dash

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and then exploit quick temper by dashing before everyshot

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ended up with ridiculous safe damage

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:18 PM

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But you cant powershot if you want to crit with Artemis dash?

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 1:18 PM

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nah you can

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:18 PM

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At least without poms in it?

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 1:18 PM

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its a second of crit

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and its 0.4 secs to charge of a dash powershot

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so you can easily get one off

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if you want to win though

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just take artemis tricket, and pickup the cast and multishot upgrades from her

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then just get poms

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:20 PM

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I just found out that Skull Earring is active when below 30 health, not only 20

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even better item now

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reported as a bug tho

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 1:20 PM

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nah its 20%

turbid needle Dec 10, 2018, 1:20 PM

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~~shhhhhhhhh~~

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:20 PM

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I just tested it

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 1:20 PM

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its 20%

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not 20hp

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:20 PM

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oh

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 1:20 PM

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so 20% of max health

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:21 PM

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lel I'm blind

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:22 PM

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I feel like I need the right to have two keepsakes at the same time

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:22 PM

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now that would be a sick mirror upgrade

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:23 PM

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Sounds a bit too op tbh

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:24 PM

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would it?

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I can't think of any inherently broken combos

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:24 PM

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Maybe for 500 darkness

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Or even 1000

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:24 PM

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yeah

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 1:24 PM

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even then

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it wouldnt really work too well with the gods trinkets

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and if you could take two, it would end up with far too consistent builds

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:25 PM

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Maybe it should say "you can have only one god trinket"

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Say, Artemis trinket and Skull earring together

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But not Artemis trinket and Aphrodite trinket

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:26 PM

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I'd go aphrodite + skull earring all the way

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and swap to bone hourglass after meg maybe

modest dew Dec 10, 2018, 1:26 PM

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i still dont think theyll do it though

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cause atm, the god trinkets are basically giving up power to get more consistency

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:27 PM

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just make it so for each extra keepsake you take, enemies become stronger

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or something

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:27 PM

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Can you remond me what exactly the hourglass does?

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:27 PM

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like in Bastion

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hourglass gives +2 rooms for well of charon purchases

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like the healing one or extra damage

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:28 PM

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Oh

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:28 PM

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man I can't wait til there's more floors

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I hope the next big update at least brings an extra floor

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the keepsake swapping is a great mechanic imo

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:29 PM

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Gimme Artemis artwork

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:29 PM

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well yeah that too

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:30 PM

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I saw one guy complaining about Aphrodite s design in feedback channel, do you think it's bad to have her naked ?

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:30 PM

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I kinda wish it was possible to find more than one daedelus hammer tbh

sharp fulcrum Dec 10, 2018, 1:30 PM

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place your bets now: olympians are gonna backstab us and the finals floors we wil be fighting on Olympus with blessings from Cthonic gods

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:30 PM

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It firs the character

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:30 PM

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I'm personally fine with that

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:30 PM

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Soooo

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:30 PM

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Aphrodite is fine

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cause yeah it fits perfectly

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and it's pretty tame even then

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her dialogue is much sexier than her image lol

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:31 PM

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Yes xD

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:31 PM

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and her boons too, best boons

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:32 PM

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But I guess it makes sense she's kinda trying to flirt with Zag, I guess she does that with everyone

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:32 PM

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Her appearance though... doesnt exactly fits the canons of Greek beauty, if this makes sence

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:32 PM

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That's not how design works

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:32 PM

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ye

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:32 PM

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I know

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:33 PM

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The goal is to serve the gameplay and the universe they created

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:33 PM

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This is not even my complaint

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Oh dont worry I didn't mean to be mean

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:33 PM

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This is what a friend of mine said when I sent him screenshots

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Sorry if it sounded agressive

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Nonono, everything is fine

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:33 PM

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XD

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:34 PM

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It didnt sounded aggressive at all

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:34 PM

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English is not my mothertongue I'm always scared to be rude without even noticing

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:34 PM

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I just hope we meet Dionysos at some point

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:34 PM

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Same here btw

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:34 PM

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I want a sweet drunken build

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:34 PM

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Haha yes I hope more gods will be added

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:35 PM

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Speaking of

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How old do you think Zag is?

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:35 PM

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What do you mean ? He's immortal

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Probably thousands of years

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:36 PM

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~~and he still acts like a rebellious teenager~~

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:36 PM

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I guess when you live an eternity, you can take all your time to grow xD

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I mean, even in greek mythology, gods act like spoiled childs all the time

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:37 PM

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Oooohhh yeah they do

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~~they also make demigod children constantly~~

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:38 PM

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Hahaha

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I really don't know if they will try to put a lobe interest for Zag in the future

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I guess Dusa and Meg are already «interesting»

grand patrol Dec 10, 2018, 1:39 PM

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i think hes like, NINETEEN AND 3 QUARTERS (centuries)

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:39 PM

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XD

grand patrol Dec 10, 2018, 1:39 PM

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"im an adult DAAAAD" "youre a TEEN"

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:39 PM

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Sounds about right

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:39 PM

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If that even makes sense to give him an age

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I really don't know, I think he's much more old

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:41 PM

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He acts like a 17-year-old boy, not as an adult

silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 1:41 PM

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There's a dialogue between Hades and Orpheus where he «urges» him to find back the will to sing, and he gives him a thousand year xD

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Like it was two days or so

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:41 PM

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Maybe this is how the time works in the Underworld

elfin pumice Dec 10, 2018, 1:44 PM

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Any advice against the purple arrows from Hydra? Can't deflect them as far as I know

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 1:46 PM

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Dodge em?

orchid pelican Dec 10, 2018, 1:46 PM

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Dodge behind the pillars, only way out

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they can stunlock in the salvo later on in the fight, so one needs to hide quickly

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:46 PM

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aw yiss, got another super slick run in the making

elfin pumice Dec 10, 2018, 1:47 PM

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They go out, making dodging behind pillars weird

rain axle Dec 10, 2018, 1:47 PM

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Shield seems like it is good vs normal rooms but decent vs bosses

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 1:47 PM

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double arrows on bow + already +179% special damage, and not even made it to the bone sisters

rain axle Dec 10, 2018, 1:47 PM

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I like the spear if you can get the fast power shot buff

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I constantly get armor break on the spear though

hidden patrol Dec 10, 2018, 1:53 PM

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btw the pots in the room after the meg fight always have 30 gold in them

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even though they aren't golden

hidden patrol Dec 10, 2018, 2:20 PM

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i just killed hydra with 7 hp lol

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 2:24 PM

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grats

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just had a really nice meg

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https://youtu.be/BTqFZlcphkk

YouTube

Strider

Hades Early Access Gameplay - Megaera (1st boss) 23 second kill

I like bow special

▶ Play video

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didn't know it was possible to animation lock her like that at the end

hidden patrol Dec 10, 2018, 2:29 PM

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that stunlock

undone pond Dec 10, 2018, 2:49 PM

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hello! does anyone have tips for weapons? i tried only with shiels so far and by now i can get past meg reliably! but also i am pretty bad when it comes to bow ah

pastel jolt Dec 10, 2018, 2:51 PM

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with the bow, you want to be using dash&attack to get it to charge faster

orchid pelican Dec 10, 2018, 2:52 PM

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Full-blown artemis cast build with Lvl 5 cast upgrade and multishot is kinda broken.

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at least vs the Bosses, in rooms its very layout-dependant

primal kayak Dec 10, 2018, 2:53 PM

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How often are you going to get a Lv.5 upgrade?

orchid pelican Dec 10, 2018, 2:53 PM

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Didnt say it was a problem, I agree its very rare 😃

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 2:56 PM

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I can definitely recommend bow if you get the daedelus hammer upgrade that doubles your special projectiles

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that's my favorite build

pastel jolt Dec 10, 2018, 2:56 PM

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shotgun bow best bow

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 2:56 PM

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and just go full shotgun glass cannon with backstabs

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ye boi

undone pond Dec 10, 2018, 2:56 PM

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my favourite build rn is spear with artemis

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 2:56 PM

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one shot bosses all over the place

undone pond Dec 10, 2018, 2:57 PM

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i also like bow and poseidon

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cause puchback is my favourite mechanic

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not bow and poseidon but

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spear and poseidon

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 3:01 PM

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bow special with poseidon is hilarious too

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everything gets blasted way back

proud storm Dec 10, 2018, 3:05 PM

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tried the spear for the first time... beat the hydra

arctic harness Dec 10, 2018, 3:05 PM

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I found Meg easiest with Spear + Ares attack. Just slightly jabbing her, and letting curse damage do all the work

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And indeed, I had been throwing myself at her with the bow for ages and feeling like I had hit a wall. Then, three tries with the spear and she's down.

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 3:07 PM

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she's fine with bow if you just spam special

arctic harness Dec 10, 2018, 3:08 PM

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That was my strategy, I just couldn't get enough damage in (tried Poseidon and Afrodite mostly), so I ended up overwhelmed by ads

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adds*

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 3:09 PM

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hm, never had that issue

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remember that special destroys projectiles from the witches

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and from meg's swirl attack

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also it's often better to just yolo with bow special

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killed her in 23 seconds with a nice build

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no ads spawned

arctic harness Dec 10, 2018, 3:14 PM

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I'll try maxing out my special on another run. Would you recommend any particular boon?

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 3:14 PM

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aphrodite special damage increase is what I usually go for

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTqFZlcphkk here is that 23 sec kill

YouTube

Strider

Hades Early Access Gameplay - Megaera (1st boss) 23 second kill

I like bow special

▶ Play video

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getting the daedelus hammer upgrade to double the arrows from the bow special is a big help

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I usually reset runs if I don't get that when going on bow, I don't like the regular attack much

arctic harness Dec 10, 2018, 3:17 PM

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Clever! I had never thought of using the special up close 😄

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 3:17 PM

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gotta treat it like a shotgun

pearl willow Dec 10, 2018, 3:30 PM

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yuck, just found a hammer with the spear and it's offering 3x special upgrades lol

undone pond Dec 10, 2018, 3:33 PM

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how does weak work?

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like dtatis condition

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 3:33 PM

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enemies do half damage to you

primal kayak Dec 10, 2018, 3:37 PM

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You can mouse over the effects (at least in the boon menu) for extra information

limpid ember Dec 10, 2018, 3:39 PM

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I love going after zeus buffs with the spear

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It naturally attacks fast enough to make them useful

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And if you get the extra bounces and the chain lightning on attack it's pretty potent

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Even works against the hydra since they will bounce between heads

full briar Dec 10, 2018, 3:40 PM

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How do I download the game ? I purchased it and cannot install the game?>

limpid ember Dec 10, 2018, 3:40 PM

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@full briar Open epic launcher and click install

full briar Dec 10, 2018, 3:41 PM

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I did that but nothing pops up. I installed Ashen with no issues, but this game will not do anything when I cliuck install

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click*

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Restarted and reinstalled epic games launcher too

limpid ember Dec 10, 2018, 3:42 PM

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not sure, try the #h1-tech-support

full briar Dec 10, 2018, 3:43 PM

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@limpid ember thank you

magic bough Dec 10, 2018, 3:44 PM

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I usually go for Artemis' Crit after dash like I did here. It suits my style and dmg is consistent Kreygasm (sloppy boss fight but 222dmg crits feels good)
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/346810771?t=02h10m59s

Twitch

F-Zero Master mensile / Hades

DEEZtv - F-Zero - Twitch

▶ Play video

proud storm Dec 10, 2018, 3:55 PM

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i just beat hydra with this build https://i.imgur.com/PHJjwKF.png

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silk torrent Dec 10, 2018, 4:10 PM

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Did they buff clean kill ?

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Last time the game offered me to pick clean kill lv1, it was a 10% dmg augment

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How can you get 94% ? :o

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 4:12 PM

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rarity difference

proud storm Dec 10, 2018, 4:13 PM

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yeah i got the rare variant

limpid ember Dec 10, 2018, 4:13 PM

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His is also lvl 2

sinful mural Dec 10, 2018, 4:23 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/SRsV04N is it ok that this guy hit me while he was charging in opposite direction?

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i was standing near him, but thats wierd

proud storm Dec 10, 2018, 4:24 PM

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were you touching him or something

sinful mural Dec 10, 2018, 4:26 PM

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was right behind him

magic bough Dec 10, 2018, 4:27 PM

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he always does

shrewd willow Dec 10, 2018, 4:28 PM

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How much health did you have when you beat Hydra? I am having trouble with it after getting it to around 1/2 health and so many heads + mobs + fire AOE + projectiles spawn

magic bough Dec 10, 2018, 4:28 PM

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I'm not 100% sure it was ment to be but he always hits you if you stand behind him while he starts charging

proud storm Dec 10, 2018, 4:29 PM

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i lost all my death defiance charges because i'm dumb

copper night Dec 10, 2018, 4:33 PM

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Louts have a really weird hitbox, yeah

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A lout once damaged me with his back

proud storm Dec 10, 2018, 4:35 PM

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the worst enemies out there are the bloodless

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you stand in front of them, they prepare to attack, just at that moment you dash behind them and somehow they follow you and hit you when you're behind them

rapid kraken Dec 10, 2018, 4:43 PM

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Hey. I finished the game with spear and bow, looking to finish the game with sword and shield but i just cannot make a build works. Any advice?

rain axle Dec 10, 2018, 4:46 PM

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sword.....I got nothing it is just really bad

rapid kraken Dec 10, 2018, 4:46 PM

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Shield carry me to the Hydra with either Poseidon or Athena but against last boss i'm just helpless

rain axle Dec 10, 2018, 4:46 PM

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shield suffers from the phase 2 map cannot use special because it will fly off the map and take 10-15 seconds to return

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shield with aphro is the way to go. weakness and stacking % damage

sage ridge Dec 10, 2018, 4:50 PM

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For sword you can try Athena's Attack deflect and Dash deflect

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Bash your mouse and space key fast enough you will be untouchable, and doing deflect damages to foes at the same time

rain axle Dec 10, 2018, 4:52 PM

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but you cannot deflect hydra's homing missles

rapid kraken Dec 10, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Yeah i think that's kinda bad tbh

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Whole Athena blessing feels down against hydra

rain axle Dec 10, 2018, 4:53 PM

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It is a good thing. Hydra needs to be hard

rapid kraken Dec 10, 2018, 4:54 PM

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It's easy with Aphrodite Bow or Artemis Dash + spear tho

magic bough Dec 10, 2018, 4:54 PM

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I've been trying with ton of damage and crit like this:
https://i.imgur.com/nm4qvYJ.jpg
Not exactly what I wanted to go for but it definitely felt good at least 😄

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rain axle Dec 10, 2018, 4:55 PM

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325% on auto attack should get you there

magic bough Dec 10, 2018, 4:56 PM

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it's pretty much 1shot everything, 2 hits max

rain axle Dec 10, 2018, 4:56 PM

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One time Artemis kept giving me the cast buff I had it up to level 5 doing 400 damage a shot

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I think that was the safest build I ever had but hydra still ate me

rapid kraken Dec 10, 2018, 4:59 PM

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Going safe against Hydra doiesn't work well

rain axle Dec 10, 2018, 5:01 PM

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I wasn't trying to be but you only have so many shards before you have to wait for them to fall off the targets

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and stuff is flying everywhere on that fight so hard to go pick them up too

magic bough Dec 10, 2018, 5:02 PM

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I often lose track of where I exaclty am toward the end of that fight :/

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btw, this is what that "build" looks like. I just constantly throw these runs by getting lazy :D
https://clips.twitch.tv/AffluentDeafChipmunkPMSTwin

Twitch

DEEZtv Playing F-Zero - Twitch Clips

crit - Clipped by DEEZtv

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foggy temple Dec 10, 2018, 5:03 PM

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super bummed about the shield nerfs :/ it was fun to make a captain america build

silver sonnet Dec 10, 2018, 5:05 PM

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Shield is still one of the best weapons

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captain America build is still good

rapid kraken Dec 10, 2018, 5:05 PM

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Uhhh

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It's better than sword but weaker than bow and spear

silver sonnet Dec 10, 2018, 5:06 PM

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nah stronger than bow IMO

undone pond Dec 10, 2018, 5:06 PM

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how do you properly use a bow?

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i die instantly when i use it

magic bough Dec 10, 2018, 5:06 PM

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bow is cool but still haven't found the best way to use it vs Hydra

silver sonnet Dec 10, 2018, 5:06 PM

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I think bow is weakest weapon. Unless you get the perfect build bow is trash

tough tulip Dec 10, 2018, 5:06 PM

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@magic bough do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Dp5iC3vnQ

YouTube

Strider

Hades Early Access Gameplay - Hydra (2nd Boss) 15 second kill w. S...

Who needs phases in boss fights if you can just melt the boss in 15 seconds amirite. In all seriousness, this build was incredibly strong, and it was accompa...

▶ Play video

silver sonnet Dec 10, 2018, 5:06 PM

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right