h1-builds-and-combat

[plain river]

I’ve only got like

Zag sword / arthur / Hades / GY / Chaos / Zeus / Chiron / Hestia / Luci left

and I don’t know which I want to play

[proper furnace]

Do arthur cuz is not capitalized

Punishment

[plain river]

Left it uncapitalised out of scorn

Epic tidal dash starrttt

Epic heartbreak strike

huh

DOUBLE EDGE

what a C4

this might be the best arthur start to ever arthur start aside from a c2 chaos

Sweet Nectar c5

[frank goblet]

hmmm making me want to play a little arthur for the culture

[plain river]

Do I gamble

do I take the god bag

in shop

[analog mauve]

yes

always gamble

[frank goblet]

keep moving

[plain river]

arbies

Epic battle rage

Worth

Huh

Do I worsen my RD odds for zeus aid smair potential

I can just take electric shot now and figure that out later actually

[proper furnace]

Electric shot nice for Arthur I'd say

[frank goblet]

keep rd odds for now 👍

[plain river]

sneakiest chaos I’ve ever seen

hidden under pots at the bottom of a tart room

😭 why are the relevant damage boosts always attached to roiling and enshrouded

Affluence it is

2:40 tart exit

Greatest reflex on ryhur

arthur

epic

bruhp

Barge kill me now

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1402890004161626162/4B1F92B6-D679-4347-B7DE-B6D042E6FBF4.jpg?ex=68958ea1&is=68943d21&hm=6261a7956b897006443e8722fc8fef67d764382ecd8ea46f41140f41b3c8f04e&

What a crazy tart dxit

exit

I’m trying to decide if I purge aphro dash and just grab tdash

or what

I think it just has to be tidal for styx

My styx is always cooked and breaking wave makes it better

[bright owl]

forgot to ask this but what are some good da...day...hammer upgrades that could help me with the thorn of Thanatos

[proper furnace]

Piercing/ricochet shot

Hazard bomb no joking

Is big dmg that can be thrown from huge range

Also are you trying to do it without using heat right

And are you using fiery presence/high confidence on the mirror

[proper furnace]

Targeting system can help with the slowdown

[ancient bolt]

How do you guys use the aspect of lucifer?

[plain river]

Big +% special, look for triple bomb, explode bombs as soon asap

this is the strat when it’s max level or close to max level anyways

100 base damage is just too much to not take advantage of

[ancient bolt]

Any specifc boons for the special to look out for?

[proper furnace]

Arty/aphro

[plain river]

Also aside from the special, zeus strike is still the best option out of strikes for lucifer

and tidal dash is also strong as always

but they get added value from being able to pop your bombs

Since any damage source touching a bomb causes it to explode

[ancient bolt]

is tidal dash a bigger improvement to divine dash

I'm too used to dashing into projectiles

[proper furnace]

Tidal is the best dps dash

Divine is best for defense

Also remember you don't have iframes while holding the attack

[plain river]

+95% obols early in tart

Lmao

I have 461 obols after buying well items at the tart-aspho midbiome room

[crisp parcel]

hi

are the base weapons all equal in term of strenght?

i kinda struggler getting past the snake

[plain river]

Pretty much

Everything is viable for pretty much all the content the average player will experience

The shield is raised up a bit due to the blocking ability

bow / rail / spear all have solid range

Fists are really easy to use

And a fair few players just stick to what they started with with sword

[green egret]

If you’re referring to damage I think they all have their own specific values but don’t quote me on that, as for the bone hydra boss?
(Which is what I’m assuming when you mention snake)

It’s honestly just memorizing their attack patterns and capitalizing on their short intervals when they aren’t actively attacking.

[plain river]

Every weapon does have it’ own specific damage values but the question they were asking would’ve tended more towards “do all weapons function equally well” rather than the raw damage per hit

[green egret]

Ahh gotchu, might’ve took it too literally lol

[plain river]

And no, not all weapons were made equal but for the portion of the game they’re in

they might as well be

[green egret]

Truthnuke

[plain river]

For any of the bosses, one of the best things you can do when you’re starting out is to just not attack

wait and learn their attacks

and get in hits when you can

but focus on learning the telegraphs of the moves and being able to dodge

And then you can get more reckless once you actually know the moves

It helps you draw out more experience with the fight per run than if you just keep rushing in and dying in 20 seconds

[green egret]

Yeah majority of the time it’s just getting the hang of things, course the various boons and upgrades you pick prior also help pretty significantly

[crisp parcel]

Yeah id like to learn the boss but kinda always Die before on pisslow mobs

Ig its just a skill issue

[bright owl]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/709295542227959879/1403881079189799014/Screenshot_98.png?ex=689929a4&is=6897d824&hm=a48b034cab4671d3dd467598bcad9c1b9c10e253982f9ce3eb3000ab148f072f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1421&height=800

the build i used for thorn of Thanatos

[plain river]

In case anyone was interested

This is what a stupid amount of poms on high voltage looks like

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1404271453838376971/High_Voltage.mov?ex=689a9534&is=689943b4&hm=799ac0397f17d81a5fd268161e9a0c0aed4e05fd27f95ad984f87d7d52e1ef1b&

[plain river]

Serrated isn’t the most helpful wirh not getting hit

I feel like between arthur and Guan-Yu I have a really hard time consistently dash-striking

It’s solid until I miss one input and then it throws off the rhythm because they both let you sort of buffer the standing strike combo through your dash

[jolly chasm]

for arthur you can hold attack down and dash slower and it works pretty consistently

guan yu is just kinda rough sadly

[plain river]

Would’ve been nice to know before I won with arthur but tbh like

being able to dstrike a little later for added range in regular rooms

came up a lot

My Hades fights with arthur were pretty much always fast (35-45s) it was everything else that was dragging jt down

hmm

C8 and I choose between story room or shop

[jolly chasm]

bruh

how does one learn this power

[jolly chasm]

current build?

[plain river]

zeus strike (lvl2) jolted (2) epic aphro special and trippy shot

[jolly chasm]

bouldy

only really take shop there if you need a god tbh

or desperately need hammer

[plain river]

Pos

[tight basin]

Flood flare lookin ass high voltage

[plain river]

Would’ve been nice

[plain river]

It’s larger

Snow burst level high voltage

[jolly chasm]

i mean a god for a duo or like zeus for jolted

[plain river]

Snow burst is 600 radii, my bolts were 598 and flood flare is 500 iirc

[plain river]

Zeus for splitting bolt 😁

ohh what a gross chaos

this is what rerolls are for

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1404287567217561731/6A78DB81-50D8-46AC-83C5-A1AD4AAF34E3.jpg?ex=689aa436&is=689952b6&hm=0da51aeef57a0788a1e7ee922ba77b82a1a7a154656cf23bf87d67386c0cce18&

This chaos for context

[jolly chasm]

yikes

good on beo tho

[plain river]

wait

Paupers Lunge ain’t half bad

rerolled

I have 400 obols and lunge on hestia

[jolly chasm]

how much money?

free then

[plain river]

2:01 furies

[jolly chasm]

exit or entrance?

[plain river]

2:27 furies exit

💔

[jolly chasm]

tis?

[plain river]

Nah

Regular meg

[jolly chasm]

that's diabolical

[plain river]

I’m not really sure my best dps rotation here between the hestia shot, reapplying jolted, trippy shot and the beeg aphro flourish

[frank goblet]

i decided to run some anyheat, and then was wondering why my breakpoints werent breakpointing

[jolly chasm]

no hc?

[frank goblet]

it turns out changing your mirror helps

i did 20 runs without noticing i was still running shadow presence mono cast

im so good

[plain river]

lmao

[jolly chasm]

on what weapon

[frank goblet]

beo

[plain river]

monocast my belov-

[jolly chasm]

Bruh

[plain river]

How

[jolly chasm]

how do you not notice stygian????

[frank goblet]

dont question my inability to see stuff

ive been yelled at by alex for this exact thing LMAO

[plain river]

As a wise gamer once said uhhh

just backstrikez

Who needs fiery when you can just always hit their back

[jolly chasm]

just backstrike all the witches

i hate witches

[plain river]

spreadfire hestia my beloved

oh cluster bomb is an option

and hazard

[jolly chasm]

spreadstia

[plain river]

also I’m not using. A +% strike

[jolly chasm]

zeus spread is a thing tbh

just not as good as like aphro or arty

[plain river]

real gamers know spMEadfire zag rail

is the best option

[jolly chasm]

so real

its so ass until hammer but it's so good after

[plain river]

That’s why I just check eveytime I have a c1 hammer

I’ll just seed the run for the potential of spreadfire zag rail

and then check other funny weapons like flurry zag swor

charged flight beo

[jolly chasm]

anyway, how's the run?

[plain river]

3:08 idk what chamber but I’m currently looking for the witches set up picture

Someone @ed me with it the other day

[jolly chasm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523766792963751936/781098230372106260/Screenshot_199.png?ex=689a692a&is=689917aa&hm=6c3770508f547c4217bd1789f9fb7eb39681b74d8cf36ce1460549c77582400e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=400&height=193

[plain river]

Um
So

I just remembered you can save scum encounters

because I completely wiffed that

[jolly chasm]

take two!

[plain river]

Budget save-states tbh

[jolly chasm]

just dont get hit tho

[plain river]

Hit 3

Good enough

Ok so

I have 1 reroll going into c22 hermes

or is it c23

C23

[jolly chasm]

glgl

[plain river]

Quick recovery evasion and swift flourish lmao

ykw we take greatest reflex 😔

[jolly chasm]

good on budget budget eris

[plain river]

4:47

Aspho leave

[jolly chasm]

with cluster?

[plain river]

yeah

[jolly chasm]

clockets

[plain river]

Clockets also ricochet or piercing fire could be nice

chaos?’

+51% more foes for +50% dstrike damage 😭

[jolly chasm]

not worth

[plain river]

+33% strike damage for -movespeed is solid enough

[jolly chasm]

ye

def worth

[plain river]

oh now that I have my hermes

I should grab a call

I could hit smair zeus or smair dio call

[frank goblet]

oh god ive unlearned the 4 witch meg setup

[plain river]

piercing / richochet / delta

[jolly chasm]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

idk

[plain river]

Obv delta isn’t the play

[frank goblet]

this is hestia yeah?

[plain river]

I feel like piercing is nice for shields

yesh

yes

[jolly chasm]

but played as budget eris

[frank goblet]

oh god

[jolly chasm]

eh

[frank goblet]

uhhhhhh

[plain river]

I have chaos dstrike and strike damage thou

[jolly chasm]

piercing is nice for shields but you a bunch of mobility

[frank goblet]

hmmm

probs would take the ricochet

[jolly chasm]

ye

[frank goblet]

but piercing is really nice too

[jolly chasm]

i think thats best

delta is weird cus it prob means no more reloads

[frank goblet]

no u can

[plain river]

Manual reloads still work on hesti

with delta

[jolly chasm]

i mean because you would actively have to reload instead of being forced to anyway

not that you couldn't

[plain river]

I love how pos refuses to give me shoals or breaking wave anymore

[frank goblet]

only manual reloads get the buff anyways so its actually kinda good for this setup can do a powered shot at anytime w/o worry of it being an automatic reload

thats a scary thought huh

[plain river]

WHAT IN THE UNENDING C34 is this

Why do bright swords just keep spawning in

Common shoals vs common bwave

I’m thinking about styx here and bwave has to be the play probably

beeg aoe

[jolly chasm]

ye

[plain river]

7:36 ely exit

Styx is more optimistic with bwave tbh

for onceo

Whoever made rat rooms

actually

I’m not gonna continue that

Huh

I didn’t check if shop had 3rd hermes

Now I’m faced with a dilemma

Do I gamble on it being hermes and sac oceans bounty or do I secure the darkness towards unseen one

😔

I’ll gamble on it being 3rd hermes

[rough blade]

you can always do more runs for unseen one

[plain river]

Rare Hyper Delivery we take that so fast

[plain river]

True

I’ve been blitzing through

I’m only what 40k darkness off

Tbh if I was to be so fr rn I should change my name to Hourglass atp

[rough blade]

real

14 encounter well items is fire

[plain river]

Even 11 encounter uhhh

what are they called

+10% hps

Take one into styx never have hp problems again

Guan-Yu is about to end my streak at furies or something

I’m of half a mind to run thick skin

[plain river]

Tbh

I’m starting to forget that streaks don’t even matter

oh

oh.

C1
Triple/Extending/Massive Spin

Lemme think about this

GY standing strike combo is actually massive base damage so triple is kinda crazy

Massive Spin could also be a baller build route

Actually

I’m so down to just end this after taking massive

This is not good

[swift hill]

Both times I’ve run Guan Yu, I ended up leaning heavily on Serrated Point.

Still not sure if I really like it. That Dash reduction feels worse than you think it will.

[plain river]

Serrated Edge and Charged Skewer are like

Pretty good options for your damage

Quick / massive spin are decent as well Spin is just hard to use for speed so I’m avoiding it

[swift hill]

I’d like some feedback on how to optimise my chances at a good time with Hestia (my best time on my current playthrough is about 13:40, and I broke 12 a few years ago). Here’s what I’m thinking (list is not complete):
-Mirror: Boiling Blood, High Confidence, whatever boost gives you +40% with multiple statuses
Keepsake: Butterfly all the way
Companion: Megaera
Boons: Aphro attack, Zeus cast (easy double status), Poseidon aid, Pressure Points whenever convenient
Chaos: no. HP will be lower, so I need all the HP I can get.

I feel like I’m still missing a bunch, but is that a good start?

[plain river]

Butterfly is uh

very very questionable

Also that opinion on chaos is

a bit flawed when chaos can easily give you more than 40% on your strike

[frank goblet]

Instead of butterfly, as its very little additive would recommend tidal dash start from conch shell for crowd clearing. Privliged status isn't very good and in most cases is overshadowed by Family Favorite. And Chaos gates are almost always taken as they skip a chamber essentially as there are a set amount per biome

[swift hill]

But won’t I need HP to keep up High Confidence?

[plain river]

I also think you’re under-estimating how much of your mirror can be optimised just from the 3 choices you mentioned

[swift hill]

Skipping’s a good point, though.

[plain river]

Chaos gives more damage over the course of an entire run

and also just

free room

Take every shop every story room every chaos

take miniboss doors when you can as well

[frank goblet]

You can gain back hp pretty reliably through food in shops life essence from wells and cthonic vitality is very good passive healing too

[plain river]

Butterfly is a really bad option for speedrunning because you end up losing your ability to control your build for a really slow growing teeny amount of additive

[swift hill]

Yeah, true. I’m just doing this from memory, though, and I’m tired. Just thinking it over a little right now, is all.

So what’s the best keepsake? Olympian to have some control over Boons?

[plain river]

Usually a god keepsake for tartarus and then a different one for asphodel

then hourglass or acorn for elysium

and then hourglass or acorn or dad call for styx

[frank goblet]

or shackle if playing hestia sometimes

[plain river]

Hourglass is so nice

lemme carry 3 ichors through styx

all the way to dad

actually I had a run the other day where I had a lot of well items

[swift hill]

Lots to think about, but now, bed. Thanks, y’all!

Oh, one more thing. Pact is just EM2/FO1?

[plain river]

Fo2 but yes

faster lernie fight + (enemies spawn/move into range/attack and prok jolted) faster

[swift hill]

Thanks again!

[plain river]

This could be you https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1398168775169277984/AC07BAAC-FA32-48DF-8809-EE5C08A881E2.jpg?ex=689b73e4&is=689a2264&hm=52c00f584f8c321db7b97ac1e6e3c7fc3fe390f4e2915c6942c742e94e2c10e6&

[rare merlin]

don't need the extra dash range when everything gets deleted by your dash strike

but realistically, a hermes boon such as greater reflex or something from chaos that boosts your move speed makes it feel so much better

[rare merlin]

abyssal eclipse in a sub 10 run because why not

[tight basin]

chaos doesn't boost movement speed, hermes does
but also that doesn't really do anything realistically lmao

you're losing iframes

[tight basin]

sometimes you don't get a choice in what you get from chaos lmao
not enough rerolls, don't want to waste them, etc

[rare merlin]

didnt chaos have a boon that gave you some kind of movement speed/dash length? maybe im thinking of the opposite where some drawbacks reduce dash range/movement speed.

and you're right, it does lose you iframes i meant moreso that hermes makes that hammer feel better.

[tight basin]

chaos has curses that reduce movement speed and dash length

so quite the opposite lmfao

[rare merlin]

Oh yeah I'm aware, i meant it as more of a compliment

[swift hill]

What’s the logic behind taking miniboss doors for speedrunning? Is it because you can more quickly drop them with Megaera?

Also, first run since last night, and I finished 20 seconds off my current playthrough (not all time) speed record. I’m happy with that.

[dull viper]

yeah they're way faster than normal encounters

this excludes the barge of death in asphodel and solo asterius in elysium

[swift hill]

Makes sense. I had a great Butterfly Ball room on my last run, thanks to Megaera. Only two enemies came out.

[proper furnace]

And tiny vermin

[proper furnace]

Meg also has set up to hit some minibosses really fast

Like tartarus bombers or asphodel witches circle

There's also the set up for heroes

Just press up and hit summon

[swift hill]

Barge of Death with MM only seems to go from interminable to tolerable with Megaera. Better than nothing, of course.

[proper furnace]

Yeah barge just stinks

[swift hill]

“How many HP does Barge of Death MM have?”
“Yes.”

[fervent root]

yeah barge is really annoying, I’d rather deal with any other mini-boss encounter

Power Duo, The Witches Circle, etc

I mean they take much less time with a strong build

whenever I get barge I just go: well I GUESS i’m doing this crap… again xd

even with meg, it’s still a pain

espeically those DAMN voidstones, holy those are so annoying

you’d think they only give armor to enemies, but nah… they give impervious which is FAR worse

[proper furnace]

Yeah normal barge is the biggest miniboss timeloss I think?

[fervent root]

I believe so yeah, which just sucks in relatively any speedrun

now eventually i’ll speedrun some time again when I get better with a few other weapons, I still have much to learn even now. yeah I have every aspect and like one weapon mastered but i’m not there quite yet.

I have a feeling i’m getting another PB with my beloved fists or spear

those are like my favorite weapons thus far

rail is nice too but I got a pretty rough run last time

now sword is my third most loved weapon, possibly a favorite due to just nemesis existing

it’s just so comical and fun to get crit chance on special, that’s unbelievably strong

although nothing beats shredding through enemies like breaching cross with the fists

it’s just so, SO satisfying running through chambers so fast hermes notices, it’s amazing.

melting any foe will never not be worth seeing and experiencing.

[proper furnace]

That's why we love the modpack 😌

[fervent root]

yeah exactly

if only I could GET my hands on my pc again xd

also… question? is testing hammers at the courtyard like a modded exclusivity or a later thing in-game?

cuz I like saw a video with it on console so I was very curious

[plain river]

Yeah

[fervent root]

speaking of, I feel zeus isn’t that great on zag’s rail personally, is that like just me?

[plain river]

Codex mod

[fervent root]

I swear the damage is much less?

[plain river]

That’s just you

[proper furnace]

You miss out on free +75% when compared to eris

[fervent root]

ok gotcha xd

[fervent root]

ahh ok

[plain river]

Zeus is best in slot still even if it’s missinf that Eris boost

[fervent root]

yeah alright that is very good

maybe I just ned to use rail more lol

[plain river]

You still want jolted and the other zeus secondaries

[fervent root]

I don’t use it as much tbf

sword, fists, and spear has usually been my go-to

[fervent root]

yeah they’re really good in the long run

honestly I underestimate Zeus WAAAY too much, I gotta start using his boons more… and also lock in

cuz I was like playing a few runs on my bro’s save file, and he didn’t care btw, I had his consent.

and man playing without certain talents like fated persuasion is genuinely painful to go back to xd

but yeah I gotta admit the chain lightning is quite amazing

[cinder fog]

Why is hades' call bad? I feel like I do a lot with it than the others but I am new so idk.

[frank goblet]

Hades call is great, especially for with its greater call not so much the minor call

[cinder fog]

Ic but why does everyone say that it is mid(I mean in yt).

[frank goblet]

I have no idea, for speedrunning purposes it is often the final keepsake taken in styx as the dps increase is crazy for phasing

[cinder fog]

Ic tysm

[jolly chasm]

because most hades youtubers aren't the most knowledgeable people about the game tbh

[cinder fog]

Ic tysm(srry for the late reply)

[plain river]

The hourglass in question

Not every aspect/build is made equally anyways, so some get waaaay more value from Hades call than others

The loading castpects, if I recall correctly, benefit the most?

[frank goblet]

ik hera can sometimes hourglass in styx because your build is so simple, but yeah most benefits come from castspects

braid stacking is really strong

as well as getting more stones

[plain river]

Castpects get so many scaling points off hourglass

stones/braids/ ichors

also is it minotaur jerky or

Am I misremembering the name of the strike boosting one

Obviously to a lesser extent but damage is damage especially on twin/triple or cshot

[frank goblet]

its cyclops jerky

chimera jerky is special

[plain river]

mhm

I’ve been getting the itch to swap my name to Hourglass but that would run 4 years of brand image 😔

[frank goblet]

forget the brand image and embrace culture

[jolly chasm]

Eris bangle

[plain river]

True

[frank goblet]

Nemesis crest

[plain river]

Nail of Talos my beloved

[jolly chasm]

This is a mega cursed unmodded strat tbh

[frank goblet]

most def is lmao

[plain river]

Hourglass is making its way up to be my most used keepsake ngl

[frank goblet]

hmmm should i try doing some hera anyheat?

actually

[jolly chasm]

yes

[frank goblet]

its zag sword week

[jolly chasm]

it's fire

[plain river]

“Brand image” aside it’s what people have been calling me forever

[frank goblet]

gotta get something on the aotw board

[jolly chasm]

its so weird seeing you as something else in speedcord lmao

[plain river]

I should just change it on speedcord

[frank goblet]

who knows, maybe i'll get that sword sub 7 ive wanted for a while

[plain river]

I think I just never did when speedcord moved over

to a new server

[jolly chasm]

i believe 😌

[plain river]

Getting a solid Guan-Yu build is

it keeps escaping me so much

[frank goblet]

although im also kinda worried about my ability to do room clear, it gotten pretty bad since i stopped playing anyheat

[plain river]

It happens

I played too much anyheat and I tried to play 40

💔 died in tart

[jolly chasm]

I never got past 50

[frank goblet]

50 is a good place to stop 😌

[plain river]

I didn’t really want to go higher than 40 ever since

after that point I look at all the other pact options and go “whoops all aggrivating”

Lemme just lower my build consistency with RI or AP or kill my melee aspects with em3 and half the aspects hate dc2 anyways

Cf just means I can’t buy anything

etc etc

[plain river]

I know Hades call works slightly differently than described in game for either minicall or full call or both but

I can’t remember how

[jolly chasm]

youre invincible with full call but not with mini call

[frank goblet]

for full call the effect only actually goes away once you attack/special/cast or change your movespeed through hypersprint it actually has a 1000 second timer that is forced to end once that trigger occurs but if it doesnt then the effect just doesnt go away meaning dash only could benefit from greater haste rd to some capacity (oops wrong thing ig)

small call doesnt have this effect iirc

[plain river]

hmm

btw which one is used for speedrunning

I never use it

[jolly chasm]

depends

if you have a dad phase, you can get greater call in p2, but if you dont, you generally use mini calls in 1.2 or 1.3

this is only for castpects tho

I think you use mini call on all others iirc

[plain river]

mhm

interesting

[frank goblet]

i love accidentally biome extended bc i forgot my chamber number ahaha i could never

[plain river]

I do this every single time I extend

but it’s worse because I only recently started remembering the proper biome end rooms

[jolly chasm]

you like

almost always take the chaos anyway tbh

[frank goblet]

in my 800 or so hours of playing this is the first time ive done a biome extension

[jolly chasm]

what

[plain river]

What

Dang

[jolly chasm]

how

[plain river]

you probably have but before you started counting chambers

[frank goblet]

maybe?

[plain river]

I’ve done it like twice this week and it’s only tuesday

[frank goblet]

but i also know as a casual i avoided chaos gates and erebus gates pretty frequently

[jolly chasm]

i did it today in my sub 5 😭

[plain river]

Actually that’s a bad representation because if you looked at it over the last 2 months of me playing it’s happened like 4 times

It’s just niche cuz it requires a chaos precisely at the end of the biome

[plain river]

I love chaos but they don’t love me ba-

[jolly chasm]

like 3 or 4 of ocke's sub 5's are extensions

[plain river]

Actually

I’ve seen the chaos legendary like 3 times in the last week

I took it twice

The third has some atrocious curse attached

it was probably maimed on a strike build or something I can’t remember the specifics

[plain river]

Which is crazy because afaik that’s an unmodifiable 1% chance

per option rolled on your second chaos onwards

[harsh mist]

Hey guys
Does sisyphus’s keepsake still give you bonus if a non-core boon affects attack (for example dash strike)

[dull viper]

yes, the keepsake deactivates with specifically attack and special boons

[harsh mist]

Thanks

[proper furnace]

(and cast)

[willow sage]

Does anyone here have a recommended build to use with aspect of authur Stygian Blade?

[willow sage]

I put Artemis on my attack, and go for health upgrades when the pop up, but outside of that I just get whatever shows up

[frank goblet]

artemis attack can work well, aphrodite is more consistent for the damage and % scaling, you could also go for athena attack and try and aim for deadly reversal as well

[willow sage]

What about the special cast and dash, just go for whatever or is there one I should aim for

[frank goblet]

If going for deadly reversal it would have to be artemis special if athena is the attack you could also throw on any of the other % based special boons, except probably poseidon as the additional knockback can be sometimes annoying. Cast can be kinda just whatever you find; casts that generally work well are zeus, dio, and athena. Dash can be a fair amount of things too, ares dash is pretty solid, athena dash for the safety is nice, artemis dash for the dash strike damage. In general on sword there is 1 hammer that you want to be looking for and that is double edge as its just a really solid dps increase.

[willow sage]

I haven't quite yet gotten to the number crunching side of the game yet, but based off of your earlier comment I assume aphrodite has the most damage increase when It comes to % increases?

[frank goblet]

Correct, aphrodite has the best % scaling out of any god in the game her attack at epic rarity ranges from 90% to 100% at level 1 with each additional adding 20% until (iirc) level 4 at which it drops down to 10% and special at epic ranges from 140% to 150% scaling by 30% iirc

idr the fall off point for the special off the top of my head sadly

[willow sage]

Thanks, i looked online and I couldn't find anything that related to what to do with this sword besides a tank build that I will do at some point

[plain river]

Your other option from double edge dash-striking is shadow slash using the standing strike combo

and either build loves breaching slash for massive armour shred

[willow sage]

So I've done some testing and while Aphrodite does have more attack damage for it, Posiden is better because between the buff you can get on boons with knock-away and the fact it interrupts attacks you get more mileage from a posiden attack

But I do still recommend aphrodite for this build because her damage negation is more helpful because you do end up with a lot of health from this build

Once I've done a bit more testing I will put a guide for it

[plain river]

Poseidon strike

Honestly his strike and special are seen as pretty bad for both speedrunning and heat on quite literally every aspect because you end up losing dps by knocking enemies out of your range

Cast and dash are good but nah I wouldn’t recommend his strike on Arthur

You’re better off just getting the extra damage to kill the enemies you need to in less hits when it comes to arthur due to the swing speed

even if you want other added utility at least athena strike can open deadly reversal and has almost aphrodite levels of additive damage

[willow sage]

This is for fun, not to get a WR or anything

[plain river]

It seems weird to say that pos strike is better in this context then

[willow sage]

What i meant was that you get to complete a full cain a lot easier

I restructured the sentence and forgot to put that point in

[plain river]

Wait a full what?

[frank goblet]

im assuming chain 👍

[plain river]

ohhhh

[plain river]

I guess

What can really help with securing that last hit is using your dash since you can buffer the standing combo through dashes

[willow sage]

I'm a casual player, half the reason I came here was to learn things so thanks

[plain river]

You’re in luck since roughly half the people who talk here are either speedrunners or stupid high heat players or both

we all like to yap yap yap about Hades tbh

[frank goblet]

closer to 2/3 tbh

[plain river]

I was being conservative the initial draft said 75%

[willow sage]

Yeah, I typically just go to Wiki's or watch YouTube o find out stuff but the YouTube content outside gameplay is few and far between(from what I looked at) and I don't use Fandom for moral and technical reasons

[tight basin]

i mean i do get that but you also claim that pos is better than aphro from a damage perspective, not a fun perspective

if it's just for fun, then you can make anything work

[willow sage]

That message was a lot more vague then I intended it to be

What i meant by better was it makes completing the full chain easier

[plain river]

Tbh as long as you aren’t asking an npc specific question like “how do I unlock x’s locked hearts” you should be fine

about not using the fandom wiki

[tight basin]

what does full chain mean for pos attack

[plain river]

but if you ask about favours I’m definitely just going to check there cuz it’s not documented elsewhere 💔

[tight basin]

like boon combos?

[plain river]

standing strike combo

[tight basin]

what weapon is this on lmao

[plain river]

Arthur

[tight basin]

oh

[plain river]

Yeaahhhh

[tight basin]

i mean i guess?

but the fact that you can buffer dashes between attacks kinda just

makes it so it doesn't matter lmao

[plain river]

If you need boon info specifics or hammer specifics this should be a lot more useful than the fandom wiki anyhow

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

[willow sage]

Good to know

[plain river]

Otherwise your best bet is just asking here for advice on building and mechanical play since Hades reddit and youtube is misinformation city

[willow sage]

That was something I didn't know before I said that

[frank goblet]

*less so misinformation and more so uninformed information spreading 👍

[plain river]

The blind leading the blind is still misinforming someone else no?

But yeah

[willow sage]

What little there is, I went looking for an Arthur build and all I found was a face tank build that was just grab as much health and damage negation as you can while alluding to a better build

And the rest was just builds for different aspects

[plain river]

I think Hades youtube is either Haelian (who is good but is still a content youtuber) or just inexperienced people showing off their gameplay while reddit gets touted as more matter of fact

[willow sage]

Yeah that video i was talking about was from him i think

[frank goblet]

wouldnt be very surprised

[plain river]

If you’re dying for any information on builds the third most recent pin in this channel has pretty solid content for all aspects

it has 3-4 builds per aspect I think

Ranging from “this does work well enough mechanically” to meta or meta-adjacent

[willow sage]

Nice

[plain river]

You can’t go wrong with it, they just aren’t all built equal

And if you have any specific questions just ask like

I know I love talking about Hades and I’m pretty sure that’s why Frei and Bananas and everyone else are still here too

[frank goblet]

no i actually HATE talking about hades and hades adjacent stuff /j

[willow sage]

The two major video games i have played are elden ring and hollow knight, I have made butter knives work with a little spite

[plain river]

I mean tbf

I’ve seen the reddit 40 heat clears

It’s very clear that with enough determination, and enough attempts with an abhorrent pact that doesn’t have td, you too can clear 40 heat with chiron or a shield even if it’s the most atrocious build I’ve ever seen

[tight basin]

i mean that's not entirely wrong for a good arthur build lmao

really good in high heat bc of that build

for lower heats you can def take like zeus call and get smouldering air or whatever other stuff

but going all in on damage reduction is pretty good

[willow sage]

Yeah, don't need to tell me that

[plain river]

Just in-case you didn’t know already, dmg reduction is multiplicative

so like comboing weaken and hyper sprint (both 30% dmg reduction) is 51% dr, not 60%

[willow sage]

Good to know

[plain river]

Still means you’re taking less than half the damage for 2 boons thou

[willow sage]

Does 100% damage negation lead to no damage?

[plain river]

you can’t reach 100% dmg reduction due to it being multiplicative

unless you get like 4 billion poms on a damage reduction source but iirc those kind of tweak out at that level of poms where they actually would near 100%

I seem to remember someone trying to get bronze skin that high and you either just cannot feasibly get that high in game or the linear pom scaling starts getting sublinear for bronze skin at absurdly high levels

possibly both

Oh something I learned recently is pretty much every boon hits linear pom scaling by level 8 at the latest

[frank goblet]

which ones hit it at level 8??

[plain river]

wait

I’m trying to remember if it’s

7 poms (level 8)

or lvl 7

😭

am tired

But based off your question it sounds like I misremembered

[willow sage]

Is aspect of lucifer any good?

[dull viper]

yes

start with a high %boost on your special and look for triple bomb hammer

[willow sage]

Any duo boons that work well?

[tight basin]

dont need duos for it to be good

most aspects don't need a duo for it to be good

the relevant duo for the aspect provides a good building block for it to be a good build, but they typically don't need the duo for it to be good

[willow sage]

Well i know there are certain duo boons that with the right weapon/aspect combo make running through a breeze

Like the bear claws and merciful end

[plain river]

Mhm

A lot of the rails are either more “whoops all flat damage” or “yeah lemme just stack giga-high additive” or both

I mean you can build for sea storm it’s just got Merciful End levels of consistency thanks to tidal dash not opening it 💔

[upbeat frigate]

I am on my 60th attempt and I still haven't escaped even once. Any build recommendations? I like using sword, spear and the fists

I have maxed out mirror but I don't have lot of blood to upgrade weapons. I own 2 upgrades for the fists and one each for the sword and spear

[plain river]

Which ones do you have

[upbeat frigate]

I defeated him but turns out he has a second phase

[upbeat frigate]

Not the default ones

[plain river]

sounds like he defeated you then

[plain river]

Naming them helps 💔

I know you have demeter for fists if you don’t have any of the defaults but then but I’d like to know which sword and which spear

[upbeat frigate]

uh
The sword which deals crit damage
The spear when dashes into people
Both fists ( magnetic and charge up)

[plain river]

Ok so you have the ones I would’ve recommended for each weapon anyways

Nemesis sword usually leans into the crits with a crit focused build, or runs Merciful End, Achilles spear can do a crit or lightning build w/ casts thrown in, and demeter fists (the charge up ones) usually runs Merciful End but lightning or hangover can be a bit more consistent to find.

I can go into detail for the builds but I figured I’d just word vomit becuase uhh

It’s late and I decided to convey that info first

[upbeat frigate]

Also i see people recommending death defiance over stubborn defiance on youtube. I personally feel that the ability to come back alive in all levels just adds extra safety.

[plain river]

Stubborn defiance vs death defiance is a bit of a bell-curve

Stubborn is better when the average room poses a larger threat, death defiance then gets better once you’re really only worried about the bosses

Then later as you use the optional difficulty modifiers you unlock later stubborn defiance makes it’s way back as the average room becomes the larger threat until you just don’t have your mirror anymore due to one of the aforementioned optional modifiers

[upbeat frigate]

I don't know about difficulty modification

I am playing on default ig

[plain river]

you won’t have access to it yet

but I mentioned it because I was making the bell curve comparision

Anyhow

If you feel like the average room is a greater threat than keep it on

[upbeat frigate]

If you had to go for one of the 3 build which one would you go for?

[plain river]

Nemesis crit is really consistent, achilles would use lightning phalanx and demeter I’d go for lightning or hangover rn since they’re like identical levels of consistency

The merciful end build is strong but they’re hard to get

I personally would choose fists because I am best with fists of the three weapons you mentioned rather than any specific personal preference

my skissue with sword and spear can be seen in my victory records 💔

Actually after speedrunning all weapons it’s not as clear now huh

Anyways

I might just talk about crit nemesis off rip here because it’s a really simple build that doesn’t need as much explaination

[upbeat frigate]

hmmm. I was able to beat phase 1 with fists. Came close with spear once. But was trashed with the gun and sword because I didn't have any athena powerups

[plain river]

The lightning or hangover fists builds aren’t that bad to explain either

fists huh?

[upbeat frigate]

Also i feel luck plays a role. Because I was waiting for specific boons to come up and tracking my codex but didn't get the duos i wanted

[plain river]

For fists, zeus strike is pretty easy to build around. You kinda just want to find the static discharge boon at hopefully a decent rarity and the use poms on it. Aside from that, other zeus secondaries work pretty well, storm lightning opens the possibility to find splitting bolt for more added damage

You can put aphrodite on special for big special damage when it’s super charged, and then if you hit a solid dps call like zeus or dionysus then you can find the smouldering air duo from zeus+aphro to charge minicalls super fast

for dashes you can either use tidal dash for quick big aoe damage, blade dash for decent, but slower damage, or divine dash for pure defense

fill cast with whatever you want here it shouldn’t really be a problem since this build doesn’t really need any duos so you can open whichever and not worry about ruining the odds of finding others

you do want a cast boon just to help with boon consistency

[upbeat frigate]

I'll try your recs out tonight. Let's see if they help

[plain river]

since as long as you have a core slot open (strike/special/cast/dash) the game will always make one of the options one of them

[upbeat frigate]

Thanks for the advice

[plain river]

so if you fill all the options you essentially get one more option back for all subsequent boons

Hammers you want are breaching cross for massive armour shred / long jab for range/ explosive upper for bigger special damage

A lot of this is transferable to other weapons that like building zeus like spear or rail

[swift hill]

Just to confirm: Call is not considered a core option?

[upbeat frigate]

Also are the diamonds and the essence obtained from elysium useful? I got orpheus and fishing rod but I have like 3-4 essence bottles which I don't know if I should sell to the trader for more blood or no

[plain river]

Nope. It’s kind of like a pseudocore for duo-opening and secondary boon opening but you can never see a call as your first 3 options in c1 nor will it ever be forced in when open

[swift hill]

Got it. Thank you.

[plain river]

They ambrosia is mainly used for progressing the last hearts of npcs and you only need like

lemme see if I can find the numbers for it

You get 194 from non-renewable sources but you only need ~151 for everything

so you can trade some up if you want

[upbeat frigate]

Wow

That's a lot

I think i'll keep them for now unless absolutely necessary to sell

[plain river]

You will need to sell some later to get the titans blood needed for all weapons

Since iirc you don’t get enough from all non-renewable sources to fully max every single aspect

but as mentioned there are renewable sources of these resources

Plunders keep gives you so many gemstones and fishing gives you so many gemstones/keys/nectar to trade up

fishing can also just give you the 3 boss rewards as well if you fish in the right place (need to escape to do this though)

[upbeat frigate]

oh yeah

[plain river]

Styx shop can net you more diamonds and titans blood if you save up enough

and black market temporary deals from the wretched broker can get you those resources for significantly cheaper

[upbeat frigate]

i am bad at fishing. i hope escape before 70th attempt

[upbeat frigate]

i only get keys there :(

[plain river]

Anywhere from 20-80 attempts is pretty average it just depends on how much experience with the genre you’re bringin in with you

[upbeat frigate]

none tbh

[plain river]

Some of the best Hades players today got theirs on their 100th or later

I know cuz they mention it when they do this same shpeal cough cough snd cough cough

or was it Jazz

I’m havign ahard time keeping my people straight now

4:15am is maybe time to go to bed soon

Also that bottom floor of 20 is recent

I used to say 40-80 but then a bunch of roguelike players came in over the last year or so and really shoved it down

[swift hill]

Wow. Nemesis/World Chopper/Poseidon Special is a very bad combo. I ended up down to 2 HP and no more DDs on Lernie’s 6-headed phase. I had to rescue myself with Bouldy. I swapped out the Poseidon Special for Artemis, and ended up having barely any trouble with the Big Guy.

[frank goblet]

or used the god mode feature (myself being one of them!) don't feel ashamed about using the video game's systems designed to make the game more manageable 😌

[sly canopy]

hades definitely has a pretty high skill floor imo

but once you hit that floor things become a lot more managable

after my first escape i was getting escapes left and right

[bronze wing]

i did a build where i chose every room and boon/hammer/etc was selected using a number spinner

it did not go well but that could be because of my astounding lack of skill

[drifting trout]

wow huh

asterius is insane with em3

[drifting trout]

how hard is em4?

[olive venture]

It's pretty hard in my honest opinion though I can't say much because I'm still a newbie lmao

It's a sharp difficulty spike from em3

I'd say it's thrice the difficulty spike comparing Asterius and Teseus fight with and without em3

Though pretty manageable with the shield

[frank goblet]

em4 is pretty difficult, kinda aspect dependent and if you have FO2 on + HL levels

a lot more nonsense can occur with FO2 enabled in the fight but it is also genuinely a great climatic fight as well

[drifting trout]

aspect dependent?

huh

wait what are fo2 and hl

[frank goblet]

some aspects struggle a lot more with the fight than others

[drifting trout]

oh

[frank goblet]

forced overtime 2 and hard labor

[drifting trout]

yeah the extra movement and attack speed could definitely be painful

• extra damage...

yikes

[frank goblet]

em4 dad already hits like a truck so yeah

[still vortex]

When you sell the one boon you have from a god, are they out of your rng pool or are they still there?

[frank goblet]

still there in your good pool

[still vortex]

Never saw Zeus again.

[frank goblet]

thats unlucky then

i can assure you he was still in your pool lol

[drifting trout]

idfk why Zeus is always chilling in the most random ass places everywhere

you could get him as your first god and get the rest of your pool sorted out before you leave tartarus and still not see that bastard for the rest of the run

[plain river]

@winter canyon
Deep pockets is a lot better than golden touch just because of how you end up playing with either. With deep pockets, you end up being able to purchase a boon in an early tart midshop and potentially put a god you want into your pool early, which is massive. At the same time, to even get 100 obols worth of value from golden touch you have to be abstaining from spending your obols at least a bit where spending your obols fast and loose is often betterr

it’s all about getting those build components early

If you’re getting value from golden touch you’re probably trading off a good margin by not using them in your midshop or endshop or at wells

[winter canyon]

ehhh i suppose thats fair

[plain river]

It’s just so much to give up an early consistency boost by adding someone to your god pool or filling an extra core with someone you already have or a guaranteed chaos in tart from wells

For casual running it’s whatever either way, but if you’re pushing speed or heat it’s a massive difference tbh

[winter canyon]

duely noted i usually try and go for a realtively small boon list

though it will likely be more important to expand as i turn up the heat

[plain river]

uhhh

It’s less about expanding and more about consistency

Making sure you take the right things to get the best odds of getting the good things

You still want to be marginally picky and runners use the purging pool a fair amoumt

Although from the looks of it iirc you usually have like

2 boons

exaggerating but it is a small amount including cores

I’d broaden your horizons a bit

[drifting trout]

why cant divine dash or divine phalanx enable deadly reversal?

it's one weird restriction

[dull viper]

because it'd be too strong

[drifting trout]

ok imma edit the gif name smh dumb bot

[dull viper]

it's already the most taken boon in the game by a large margin

[drifting trout]

dash strikes removing your i-frames is the reason why that's the case lmao

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773932106052665424/1407112872026439690/this_is_glorp_fecal_matter.gif

okay what about phalanx?

it's a meh cast

[dull viper]

it kinda is yeah

useful in some encounters like witches circle though

[frank goblet]

idk i really like personally for its good base damage

also opening up athena dds is really nice

[drifting trout]

meh

it not enabling deadly reversal is frankly dumb

[proper furnace]

It got hit with the same nerf of ME iirc

But yeah cast opening would have been nice

[plain river]

Same reason why Merciful End is only opened with strike and flourish and Sea Storm can’t be opened with Tidal Dash. They were too strong when they were uber consistent

And they nerf the consistency because it’s the only thing you really can nerf without either doing too little or killing the boon.

[drifting trout]

Any tips on being faster?

I still struggle to finish a region in 7 minutes

5 minutes feels impossible

[plain river]

Pause the game to make door decisions, take every shop/chaos/story room you can

That’s the main stuff you can do aside from building and fighting better

[plain river]

5 is pretty achievable for most players, especially since all the extra time transfers over

[drifting trout]

idfk I guess I am just experimenting too much instead of sticking to what works

[still vortex]

I wish they re-tooled Patroclus's items a little... Too often I get to him with full health, full death defiances, and don't have an attack based build.

[dull viper]

that's a sign you should be raising the heat

[still vortex]

you mean heat? Also, I'm just doing the next heat necessary for each weapon. I'm at 18-20 for all my weapons.

[plain river]

Eh

[dull viper]

goddamnit

[plain river]

Even for speedrunning it’s like +60% strike damage on rail 🫠

[dull viper]

the rot consumes

[still vortex]

Also, if I come to patroclus needing health or death defiances, it's not likely that run is going well

[plain river]

Yeah

[plain river]

I mean

at high heat you often end up taking Touch of Styx Dark or whatever it’s called with stubborn

[still vortex]

yeah, I'm going to have to start playing with those heats at the top like extra damage, low healing, and expensive shops, which all sound horrid

I think I like forced overtime better than those

maxed benefits package and forced overtime can produce some challenges, especially early run. Those skull heads and witch casters with a few perks and at high speed can catch you

I hate that one room with the trap button in the middle and the pillars around the gap... the stupid witches like to hide from line of sight around those pillars. so annoying

[plain river]

They’re not that bad once you’re already better at avoiding attacks

I’d so much sooner take hard labour and lasting consequences levels than calesthenics program or jury summons or routine inspection or approval process

[still vortex]

i like jury summons because maybe more coin from drops :D... routine and approval are terrible. Calesthenics pretty bad too

[proper furnace]

Jury summons bad

Is not that much extra gold trust

(it just means you hit the gold cap per room more often I think?)

[still vortex]

there is a gold cap per room? Nver knew this

[proper furnace]

Yeah and is not that big from what I remember?

Don't remember the math behind it

[plain river]

Yeah

It’s rather small for most rooms and as you get close to it, enemies have a lower chance of dropping obols and drop less obols

iirc

[tight basin]

the main thing that's taking up the most time is prob lack of a good build

generally speaking, a good build is gonna cut down the most time

as well as basic pausing between decisions

[craggy lion]

Yeah I do best on a run when I’m crashing and bashing through the rooms

[trim salmon]

Can anyone tell me how to dodge effectively and not spam dodge

Cause whenever stuff gets crowded i feel like I end up spam dodging

[dull viper]

i guess just practice staying calm and observing?

knowing every move that each enemy can do is important

[craggy lion]

Over time you’ll start to develop a feel for the invincibility frames. This is really important for some of the later boss fights, but until then it’s just being in the fights and learning the moves

[trim salmon]

I have memorized the movies they do by now

I tend to overestimate the time i have

[dull viper]

are you dash striking?

dash strikes instantly remove your iframes

[trim salmon]

Ooh

I always dash strike...

I didn't know

[dull viper]

this is especially important for sword and fist since you're always in melee range

yeah i only learnt to properly control my iframes when i was grinding fist 50 heat

it's a hard habit to drop

[trim salmon]

Thats why sometimes even when I feel like I had dodged it i still get hit

Good to know I like playing with close to mod range stuff too

Spear and fists

Also what weapon is great to run Merciful end on?

[dull viper]

swords and fists

it can work great on most aspects but those are the best

[still vortex]

Merciful end works amazing with zeus shield too

I have a hard time not getting hit a lot when I do it with fists, not sure what's going on. But it does a lot of damage fast like with gilgamesh ares attack and had athena on special to trigger ME, and then also got athena dash, that's when the magic unlocked.

[plain river]

For ME, it’s primarily the melee weapons like sword and fists because you can put doom on strike and then athena special -> divine dash so your dash-strikes do all the work and you never need to deflect with your special

[trim salmon]

Yeah i beat em4 dad for the first time yesterday with ME it was only my second try :D

[young pawn]

Can you get a 3rd Hermes boon in a run?

I’m on my second and need to know if I should grab greater haste for if I can get rush delivery or cut my losses and take attack speed because I know it will be useful?

I don’t currently have re-rolls otherwise I’d use that first.

I have lambent plume and hyper sprint with +100% move speed bonus.

[frank goblet]

it is rng based on whether or not you get it in styx shop but you can, but only sometimes

if you have hyper sprint just try and get the rush delivery

greater haste isnt all too much additive compartively

[young pawn]

He’s given me a legendary now but no rush delivery on the third boon. 😐

[frank goblet]

😔

reminder that hyper sprint does open rd and grabbing plume after having hypersprint just lowers your odds as it also opens up his legendary

[drifting trout]

is it just me or does the pierced butterfly suck

[frank goblet]

no, pierced butterfly does indeed suck

[drifting trout]

you lose your ability to control your builds for a meagre damage buff that while global, could be very well replaced with something like as an e.g a chaos boon for your main dmg dealer

[proper furnace]

You got it lol

[drifting trout]

-# I may be slightly salty after ending up in the temple styx with a 26% dmg boost and messing up the last rooms so I couldnt get the achievement

[frank goblet]

and is also most of the time just worse in comparison to skull earring which especially in high heat has a 100% uptime for big global buffing

[proper furnace]

Global is nice but the weapons that can use butterfly risk free only use %

[proper furnace]

Or dad call if Zooming

[drifting trout]

dad call so peam

[frank goblet]

very true

although even in speeds like 50h zeus speeds or possibly some of the other FDS weapons keeping earring for the dps buff over dad call

[proper furnace]

50h speeds ain't a real category

/j

[frank goblet]

the wr makes going for category wr a pipe dream but aside from that (50 speeds are really enjoyable to me idk)

[drifting trout]

get persephone back speedrun when smh

[proper furnace]

Fresh file to credits is a thing

[craggy lion]

Yeah but like consider your bf gave it to you

(I use skelly or Persephone’s usually lmao)

[craggy lion]

Devs react to the fresh file speedrun is still a wonderful vid years later

[drifting trout]

kinda forgot considering there are zero lovey dovey scenes between zag and than or megaera after the initial ones

anyway his trinket is still mid

[plain river]

This is lowkey the nail on the head like

Sacrifice all your build control (aka all your damage) for really mid scaling global additive?

nah

give me anything else

[plain river]

Does anyone happen to know black metals first pom value

Is it like +12% or +4% or

I don’t have access to my computer to check rn

[drifting trout]

oof, blown kiss is kinda bad on hera

[normal zephyr]

Is it? Why?

[plain river]

It breaks wallbugging iirc

[tight basin]

it also extends the dead zone of crush shot

so if you hit the enemy with the arrow, the casts won't hit

you're forced to undershoot so your casts can hit

it's good in theory, but bc of that it's just detrimental

idk if it breaks wallbug tho

[plain river]

Pretty sure the altered hitbox makes it weirder

but it might just be the deadzone thing

[proper furnace]

Which have fun if you picked up flurry shot

[ivory spoke]

Which weapons are generally considered to be the most difficult, outright complicated, or stress the most unusual skillsets from the player?

Kinda just curious as someone wanting to be subjected to absolute nonsense mechanics-wise

This is under the assumption of aiming for high heat (even beyond what the game acknowledges you for with rewards)

[frank goblet]

Arthur, Rama, Zeus (zeus has a really high skill ceiling), Gyan Yu, and Hera would all be some of my picks

[ivory spoke]

Alrighty

[tight basin]

To add on, if you plan on going super high heats I would recommend Zeus the most

Rama close behind

[analog mauve]

sword with the dashstrike rotation aswell id say

[craggy lion]

Personal take that the gun is overall the weapon I’ve had the most grief with. Newer players I see like the fists and shield a lot (and those also have really fun play styles)

[plain river]

Fists with the dupper rotation

[ivory spoke]

Alrighty

[analog mauve]

I think rail and fists are easiest to use

[plain river]

Fists is really easy, but if you’re trying to dupper off your last dstrike of every dps rotation it needs more finesse

[glass horizon]

Heeey guys, i need an Feedback on my build here:

Demeter Aspect.

Athena Attack
Artemis Special
Aphro Dash.

Athe and Artemis Duo.
Aphro and Artemis Duo.

Someone knows how can i improve?

[dull viper]

%boost boons aren't great on fists, if you want to use this build you'll benefit most from it on nemesis

[glass horizon]

ok, ok, i'm trying to do an Demeter Run.

[jade elk]

I would use zeus atack, its way more damage than a % boon

And deadly reversal isnt as important as heart end

[jade elk]

Btw on nemesis sword i prefer putting arti atack and aphro special so the base crit after using the special becomes 45 (30 from the aspect + 15 from the boon, pleasecorrect me if im wrong) and the special actuvates heart end

[jade elk]

For the dash tidal dash will give you more dps, athena is always a good option imo and im this case because of the constant dash-strikes artis dash might be decent actually

[frank goblet]

that % chance is correct, however your average damage roll will be lower than if you had aphro attack just because artemis boons scale so slowly and little (you could still get away with it if you had smthn like hunter dash and double edge)

[jade elk]

Then i would just run aphro atack, athena special (arti special honestly isnt much) and pressure points for the duo boon

And i would get both duos and prob arti dash or athena dash

And i would also focus on double edged sword (hammer that makes your dash strikes strike twice)

[plain river]

Pressure points doesn’t open any duo boons

Dedge is just the meta sword hammer lmao

[plain river]

For this idea to work you’d need true shot to open heart rend and deadly reversal and there’s a pretty large chance that parting shot gets in the way of you hitting either duo

[glass horizon]

Someone Knows an Talos build for high heat?

[plain river]

I mean talos is a fist so you can just play a Merciful End build using Doom Strike/ Athena Special/ Divine Dash and look for breaching cross / long knuckle

I think Talos can scrounge together some cast builds but the magnetism is a bit of a double-edged sword for high heat

[frank goblet]

i believe the high heat strat for talos is the same as the other fists and is just zeus attack jolted

[plain river]

At what point does it cross over like

40/45 whenever you first start taking dc2

[frank goblet]

idk for my 32 dem fist i did zeus attack

[glass horizon]

Oh, yeah, and What about Hestia? I dunno if i use curses or the bonus damage from olympians

[plain river]

Hestia gains far more value from +% bonuses to the strike than flat damage if that’s what you’re askingg

[glass horizon]

on the mirror of night i say

[plain river]

Oh family favourites is pretty much the go-to for everything unless you’re doing a hangover build or snurst hera

it’s far more valuable to have that global additive on every single hit

those first 1-3 hits on an enemy are often the most important

[glass horizon]

ok, ok, thanks

and, i'll apply your tips on Talos, thanks for the help

[frank goblet]

that and most curses in hades dont last that long unless you are doing constant application

and losing that application once means -40%

[glass horizon]

bro

i got the shotgun hammer.

[frank goblet]

spread fire

[plain river]

on hestia?

[glass horizon]

yeaa!

[plain river]

I mean you’re already using a +% strike so it’s not really horrid

[glass horizon]

i mean, didn't pick it

[glass horizon]

so... Shotgun Aphro Build?

[plain river]

It doesn’t affect the hestia shot btw

[plain river]

yeah

That’s more spreadfire zagrail thou

[glass horizon]

Ok, i'll pick it.

[plain river]

hold on

I think I had a different idea of what saying yes to that meant than you did

What are your other options

or were

I’ve been around long enough to have a feeling you probably hit the button immediately after reading the yes

[glass horizon]

More ammo +6 and the Special Rocket

[frank goblet]

rocket

[plain river]

Rocket

[glass horizon]

ok.

[plain river]

Frei

It’s

Like c8 on zagrail and I have zeus ares and dios

What the cooked is this

[frank goblet]

FDS the build

[plain river]

Someone took fds too literally

Epic strikes are too rare I’m seeding this

[glass horizon]

bro

this was a terrible run

[glass horizon]

i don't know how to build hestia

[frank goblet]

big attack % and splash dash
for hammers: ricochet, piercing, rocket bomb, cluster bomb, hazard bomb, triple bomb, and targeting system

and for special you can kinda just put on any good % special and be fine

[glass horizon]

aphro attack or artemis attack?

[frank goblet]

hestia can work with just about anything in pool tbh

aphro is more consistent, artemis is more high roll, if i had a chaos attack buff id take artemis attack every day of the week

or already had hunter dash maybe for the added %

[glass horizon]

well, i have chaos attack buff

[frank goblet]

how much is it?

[glass horizon]

59%

[frank goblet]

oh yeah

then def just take the artemis

at like a common rarity chaos attack buff id probably still take aphro attack

[plain river]

I feel like I’m throwing myself at a wall trying to sub9 with zagrail like

🫠

At the very leadt

I started today at 6k darkness and now I’m at 10k

That’s 4 runs away from unseen one

[glass horizon]

ok, i got him

hestia run completed

ok, ok, someone plays with beowulf?

[plain river]

it’s a very common speedrunning aspect

the main build is pretty simple bc you just want flood flare and then artemis on anything that’ll open mirage shot (ideally strike) and then cast stones and cast damage from chaos

[glass horizon]

why not dyonysus flare?

I know it does a ton of damage

[plain river]

Flood flare opens mirage shot

and has larger aoe, and doesn’t stick around in one place for ages

Trippy Flare is another build option but it’s way too highroll

because the casts stay on the ground for so long you want to run stygian soul and then you need to hit extra casts even more and hitting mirage shot becomes harder as well

don’t get me wrong, it is a really high damage option, but the build consistency of flood flare compared to trippy flare are leagues different

[glass horizon]

Oooh

i never picked mirage shot

[plain river]

Mirage Shot is bugged on beowulf so 5/8 flares get a 100% damage mirage shot

instead of 30%

[glass horizon]

oh....

[plain river]

So it literally doubles your damage with flood flare or trippy flare

It’s so strong

[glass horizon]

ok, i got a hammer with:

• 400% damage on armor with bull rush
• reduction time for bull rush
• Bull Rush becomes a beam

[plain river]

charged shot is the strongest beo hammer

[glass horizon]

so, i pick him?

[plain river]

Yes take it

It doesn’t tell you but it ignores shields

and it changes the bullrush so it does 80 base damage no matter how much or how little you charge it

and charges way faster

so you can spam them really close to you and pump out a bunch of extra base damage alongside your casts without bullrushing everywhrr

It’s just a lot of upsides

losing the mobility is bad for high heat

but it’s the #1 speed hammer and is still #1 up to a certain heat threshold like 45 or 50 or smthing

[frank goblet]

*depends on how comfortable the player feels with it

[glass horizon]

i'm so lucky i'm didn't get mirage shot

[glass horizon]

BRO

WHY IM SO UNLUCKY

[plain river]

Is this still about aiming for mirage shot

[glass horizon]

yea

[plain river]

Do you know about filling out your cores and taking status curses to maximise your odds of finding the duos you want

[glass horizon]

This really helps?

[plain river]

Well yeah if you have cores open one of your three options is always going to be a core

so you worsen your odds of finding duos and legendaries

and if you haven’t take the status curse boon from a god that has one (like hunters mark or razor shoals), the game has a 50% chance to make the next option that

Iirc

the game does prioritise status curses but lemme double check that number

K J was right on the 50%

[swift hill]

Hey folks. Two questions about the run I just had:

1. Does Lightning Rod trigger in an active Festive Fog? I swear I saw 70s tick over when enemies were in the Fog, though I could have been mistaken.

2. If so, would Scintillating Fog add to that, or would it supersede that?

[frank goblet]

Rod does not trigger while Festive fog is still active, after the cast has dropped, then the festive fog will end and rod would start up

[swift hill]

I figured I was mistaken about that. It might have been the Rupture that was ticking over (I was running Sea Storm Achilles). Thanks!

[prime fossil]

What is the trick on getting down the timing for dash strikes. I am using a controller.