What weapon is this
#h1-builds-and-combat
proper furnace
nimble token
shield
proper furnace
I'd just take nourished soul ig
Dash is ok but I wouldn't take it if I can avoid it lol
nimble token
how come since hades, my first run has new enemies ive never seen now
like this hand with a chain on it
proper furnace
Same reason as seeing dem
nimble token
oh
proper furnace
Reaching the surface adds the grabby hands and a new miniboss to tart
nimble token
does shield have bad dps?
cuz im watching other ppl do runs and they do wayy more damage on average than me
and they use other stuff
proper furnace
Base shield kinda yeah
You want charged shot hammer ideally
Then it becomes really good
proper furnace
Over prioritizing hearts over other stuff/chaos boons/aphro's boon that increases hp gained
gusty wasp
I lol’d at this
nimble token
Over prioritizing hearts over other stuff/chaos boons/aphro's boon that increase...
should i go for concentrated volley, perfect shot, or flurry shot if i currently have epic curse of agony, frost flourish, epic hunter dash, and poseidons aid.
potent tree
I found it! I found the persistent Dyno warning!
brittle viper
Smoldering Air seems like a pretty not good duo boon
i'd rather take Empy Inside i think
That was wayyyy fast, Eris rail is actually kinda busted
tight basin
Smoldering Air seems like a pretty not good duo boon
It's one of the best in the game
Free iframes and damage
brittle viper
I can see that
tight basin
Full calls aren't good either so you want to use small call anyways
brittle viper
Maybe I'm just weird and like seeing Greater Calls
tight basin
Namely Dio and Zeus call
ashen nimbus
im lazy so give me a few boon combos to instantly proc priv status
brittle viper
what weap?
any?
poseidon dash + rupture, aphro special eris rail
what's a good beowulf build?
potent tree
Poseidon cast into Artemis attack into Mirror Shot. Also, Charged Shot hammer
rose nexus
Be even lazier and use family favorite
vital night
Yeah the solution is use FF and just don’t worry about
thorn nest
I haven't played in a while what does it do again?
brittle viper
Family Favorite gives extra damage per olympian's boon you have
thorn nest
Oooh yeah that seems strong
vital night
Pstatus kinda sucks
Only use cases are where you’re guaranteed status effects with near 100% uptime and the weird ri1 high heat scenario where the chance of getting 40% is better than 10% from your likely limited god pool
brittle viper
Hm. I didn't get a hammer that seems useful for Beowulf.
Dashing Flight
Ferocious Guard
Unyielding Defense
proper furnace
Ferocious is nice
potent tree
Hades if damage boosts were multiplicative with each other
proper furnace
Free 20% damage basically lmao
Don't forget the 20% speed if you didn't get hyper sprint
gusty wasp
what's a good beowulf build?
Dio cast with Stygian soul, seek Chaos for extra casts. Mirage shot is bugged and insane with Beowulf (Poseidon + Artemis)
gusty wasp
Dio cast with Stygian soul, seek Chaos for extra casts. Mirage shot is bugged an...
Zeus for smoldering air or Demeter for ice wine are also options but mirage shot is the best
gusty wasp
Stygian is best for Dio, infernal is fine with Poseidon
brittle viper
this build is kinda scuffed so far 😭 barely getting the minimum for the build to work
plain river
i've already got poseidon cast/artemis attack
Homie literally has the best line up for optima beo
and is saying he has the minimum put together
brittle viper
i suppose so huh
brittle viper
mirage shot?
plain river
everything else is a bonus
jolly chasm
I mean, you really only need Cshot
brittle viper
maybe elysium will be nice and get me charged shot hammer (copium)
gusty wasp
chaos was mean to me tho
Artemis legendary is also an option
Which you can get 1 in 10 runs roughly 
gusty wasp
Yeah lol
gusty wasp
Nah maybe 1/20 idk lol
plain river
Which you can get 1 in 10 runs roughly <:rip:1046906603309387886>
Artimes legendary only shows up on non-cast builds
errant narwhal
the way i got it was taking as little crit chance boons as possible, then its more likely to show up. very weird
gusty wasp
Y’all don’t have PP or 
jolly chasm
PP and Hunter's Mark are too strong
errant narwhal
because then they open other crit chance boons instead of the legendary
jolly chasm
Y’all don’t have PP or <:shadeohboy:520448134590234651>
You need two
brittle viper
oh hey Alma, nice to see you.
gusty wasp
I forget the third - PP, support fire and
brittle viper
Exit Wounds
gusty wasp
Ah yes
jolly chasm
Beo can't get exit wounds
brittle viper
nopeeee
gusty wasp
Yeah my 18/20 last runs been Beo
tight basin
Y’all don’t have PP or <:shadeohboy:520448134590234651>
the priority from artemis on beo is the atk and then the duo, so there's not really any point in going for artemis after that since you'd need to see artemis at least 3 more times
which isn't really feasible
jolly chasm
I would take hunter dash before Support Fire
tight basin
real
gusty wasp
I mean, you don’t “go” for it specifically
tight basin
pp is nice tho i'd take that anyways
gusty wasp
Sometimes the fates decide you will have two Artemis on Styx
tight basin
i wouldn't buy lmfao
gusty wasp
I would take hunter dash before Support Fire
I usually go tidal dash for the duo
tight basin
or take the door unless i dont have any better options and i dont have pp
jolly chasm
I usually go tidal dash for the duo
what
plain river
Tidal dash for the strength of tidal dash
gusty wasp
Mirage shot
brittle viper
that lernie fight was awful
lost 1 dd by accidentally standing 1px in magma 😭 heightened security you jerk
jolly chasm
Mirage shot
I mixed two people up lmao, but Pos special is better for Mirage
Tdash on Beo is super cursed
brittle viper
Tdash on Beo is super cursed
uh well oops
tight basin
it's not that cursed if you have cshot
gusty wasp
lost 1 dd by accidentally standing 1px in magma 😭 heightened security you jerk
Heightened security - not even once
brittle viper
i just need to make it to the surface i don't need to win (copium again)
gusty wasp
brittle viper
maybe pat will help me out, i reunited him with his bf
gusty wasp
Bf? They were close friends who liked to do things together a lot
Written by a Greek historian
brittle viper
aaaaand they were roommates
jolly chasm
they were also cousins
brittle viper
hades tries to avoid incest by changing things around
errant narwhal
not in game lore
jolly chasm
I know, but if we are talking about actual greek myth, they were cousins
ashen nimbus
6 homing ares cast blade rifts that home and are larger... a blender
gusty wasp
Yeah Zeus wouldn’t be too grandfatherly if we stuck too close to Greek myths
jolly chasm
Greek myths were kinda crazy
errant narwhal
also, please dont say that, its a derogatory term
brittle viper
huh?
i mean okay but i've never seen it used like that
i'll delete my comment for peace of mind
potent tree
We're all getting taught bad words by the mods 
brittle viper
tried to think of a teacher-figure in hades but could not think of anyone so nobody's disappoinetd in you
proper furnace
Achilles?
brittle viper
hmmm
errant narwhal
thanks, since its become so popular to say in online spaces as a meme, a lot of people (maybe people that it was never directed at them) say it without knowing that its essentially a slur in that context
gusty wasp
tried to think of a teacher-figure in hades but could not think of anyone so nob...
Meg teaches a thing or two
potent tree
You know who's always disappointed in Zagreus? Hades 
plain river
Bf? They were close friends who liked to do things together a lot
Game lore says otherwise 
This ain’t 100% accurate greek myth, otherwise Hades would involve a lot more incest ☠️
rose nexus
Now I’ll never know what the slur lesson was
keen vortex
so gilga
vital night
@keen vortex maybe if you’re just hunting a WR but not if you actually care about enjoying the game
That’s the case for most people here
proper furnace
#h1-for-new-players message
More often it just leads to "THANK GOD I'M FREE"
tight basin
There's a lot of cases of people playing aspects for records rather than bc it's fun
And people would rather have fun
Hence why you love gilga lmao
keen vortex
like i can imagine this place having a similar argument against playing arthur cuz its less fun
vital night
Yeah
tight basin
I mean yeah Arthur isn't good either lmao
tight basin
Unfortunately it somehow has a 57 heat record god knows how
robust sonnet
isn't arthur fun cuz big dmg number?
vital night
Also yeah atleast Arthur has a high base damage kit
tight basin
isn't arthur fun cuz big dmg number?
That's the 5% lol
vital night
Gilga has nothing
proper furnace
isn't arthur fun cuz big dmg number?
Your attacks take 5 business days to come out
robust sonnet
thats why its fun when they hit
vital night
Ok but shackle tart can actually be kinda fun
Back half feels terrible but it is what it is
proper furnace
thats why its fun when they hit
At low heat tbh yeah
Wish I had my lernie clip still
proper furnace
Wish I had my lernie clip still
3rd swing crit with purple rd
keen vortex
wait i think i realized it
If you put dio on gilga and use priv status with probably aphro
THATS my killer run setups
proper furnace
Crit chance came from 2% pp
potent tree
"ENJOY GILGA, DANG IT!"
- Average Gilgamesh Defender 
vital night
*wait i think i realized it*
If you put dio on gilga and use priv status with *...
The current heat WR uses dio strike
Pstatus still sucks though
potent tree
*wait i think i realized it*
If you put dio on gilga and use priv status with *...
What even 
vital night
I mean he’s on the right track, it’s just nothing new
Literally one of the only four functional gilga builds
tight basin
There's 4?
keen vortex
pstatus gilga is the im gonna hold this button and occasionally uppercut then runaway
robust sonnet
There's 4?
litterally what i was thinking
robust sonnet
dash only works? is it Tdash?
potent tree
Y'know, I kinda get why jazz gets so angy LOL
vital night
Yeah
tight basin
Yeah
robust sonnet
thats kinda funny
tight basin
There's a Speedrun category for dash only
vital night
Dio, zeus, ME, dash only
I forgot Zeus into rod was an option yeah
robust sonnet
do they go for the hermes boon with extra dashes?
tight basin
Oh I didn't think of rod lmao I was just thinking lightning strike and jolted, the normal build
keen vortex
Y'know, I kinda get why jazz gets so angy LOL
What cuz im equally as passionate about not hating it as they are for hating it?
tight basin
do they go for the hermes boon with extra dashes?
Rather RD but it's still like fine
potent tree
No, because people try to pass off objectively bad aspects as good with the reasoning "Well, I like it"
vital night
What cuz im equally as passionate about not hating it as they are for hating it?
You’re never going to change people’s minds if your only argument is “I like it”
tight basin
Love the 2 different point up emotes
robust sonnet
What cuz im equally as passionate about not hating it as they are for hating it?
the problems with gilgamesh is that it is objectively bad compared to other fist aspects
keen vortex
No, because people try to pass off objectively bad aspects as good with the reas...
the problem there is that they try to pass of the right way as the only way
vital night
And liking it is ok, but you always seem like you’re passing it off as some noble cause that you’re valiantly standing for
tight basin
the problem there is that they try to pass of the right way as the only way
That's generally specifically a jazz problem lmfao
robust sonnet
we "hate" it because its not fun to play for most people
vital night
Idk it’s just kinda weird
keen vortex
That's generally specifically a jazz problem lmfao
Its one thing to disagree respectfully, its another for them to be all like “youre wrong im right i play a lot i hate this game wah wah wah”
vital night
Tbf that’s all true
tight basin
Afaik everyone here rn has been like "you can like it but it's still not good" lmao
keen vortex
Cuz thats how they come off
keen vortex
Afaik everyone here rn has been like "you can like it but it's still not good" l...
right now yeah
tight basin
Its one thing to disagree respectfully, its another for them to be all like “you...
Yeah that's just jazz
robust sonnet
Afaik everyone here rn has been like "you can like it but it's still not good" l...
cuz thats just how it is with gilga? idk how else to put it
vital night
Jazz could respect that you just enjoy the aspect more, but other than that she’s right
rose nexus
Strong = good weak = bad is as nuanced as the jazz discourse gets
Good speed runner tho
potent tree
jazz is so funny
keen vortex
It’s also probably cuz again, unlike a ton of people here, I don’t care for performance, i just wanna have a good time, and seemingly, at least in my case, good time means less popular aspects
vital night
I think that’s because you haven’t had a run with a good build yet
potent tree
See what's weird is that you and like Asian try to push fun like jazz tries to push optimization
robust sonnet
exactly
keen vortex
Isnt there a separate discord for that?
vital night
That’s not even the split here
robust sonnet
whats more fun than spending months trying to beat high heat?
vital night
Literally nothing
keen vortex
Not torturing myself by pacing myself and playing a ton of other games in between?
robust sonnet
no thats not fun
vital night
Every other game isn’t that good compared to hades imo but yeah if you like something else
keen vortex
Every other game isn’t that good compared to hades imo but yeah if you like some...
Oh yeah, this is my literal favorite game of all time, but that’s not cuz of the challenge itself, its the quality, the gameplay loop, the cast, the music
Now, that might change a bit once i switch to ps5 for the platinum, maybe i’ll play more optimal
vital night
People tend to have a fit when I say I play without the music lol
keen vortex
but considering that the fists are my favorite weapon, yeah, gilga and its jank are my like whole modus operandi
keen vortex
People tend to have a fit when I say I play without the music lol
You what
vital night
Yeah
keen vortex
I mean crazy but i kinda get it
rose nexus
Listening to the ost is so wild to me
Because I’m so used to these songs ending in <30 seconds
And not hearing all the extended parts
analog mauve
People tend to have a fit when I say I play without the music lol
i dont think anyone plays with music past like 200 hours
keen vortex
And not hearing all the extended parts
Especially because some of them feel like they don’t really play in game
rose nexus
The ost is like 3 minutes long and I only recognize the last 5 seconds that play as you finish up the room lol
proper furnace
High heat funny cuz I get to actually listen to dad's themes
I blank out the rest of the ost tho
keen vortex
It’s one of my favorite video games soundtracks ever
vital night
Yeah the one exception is the em4 track
keen vortex
I have it on vinyl
proper furnace
I don't really like it
vital night
It’s fine idk
proper furnace
The tracks I do remember I love them but the rest are ehhhh~ not my taste
keen vortex
The one thing I’ll say about the soundtrack is that I kind of wish that the actual like outside-of-combat versions with the more synthy sounds were on it
I’m sure I’m saying that wrong but I’m sure you know what I mean
proper furnace
The tracks I do remember I love them but the rest are ehhhh~ not my taste
Vocal tracks/the bloodless/dad themes/in the coast
proper furnace
Yeah surface theme
keen vortex
Whatever maybe tonight I’ll do some Gilgamesh runs and put them in the victory boasts we can talk about it lol
lunar lynx
I wish the list of most OP weapons and best high heat weapons was pinned
jolly chasm
Having a list of weapons is useless if you don’t know how to use them
analog mauve
i think i should record an example eris run
the ultimate free 32 heat pass
i maintain that eris is the easiest 32 heat weapon in the game
vital night
I wish the list of most OP weapons and best high heat weapons was pinned
Beo, hera, eris, hestia, and Achilles are good for speed
keen vortex
somebody help me build the forbidden beyblade
i wanna use zeus aspect and blade rifts
vital night
Zeus, Rama, guan yu, are good for heat
vital night
somebody help me build the forbidden beyblade
i wanna use zeus aspect and blade ...
Why
Just play a Zeus build?
tight basin
I wish the list of most OP weapons and best high heat weapons was pinned
The high heat records are pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies I'm pretty sure
lunar lynx
I meant heat and speed, but thank you
tight basin
Speed there's a leaderboard
In the speedrunning discord there's a spreadsheet that documents most sub6 runs so you can look through the splits or whatever
primal brook
I meant heat and speed, but thank you
Heat
64 zeus,eris,guan-yu,rama
62 zagshield,chaosshield,hestia(illegalmods),
60 zagrail,zagspear,nemesis,achillies,hades,lucifer,zagbow,chiron,beowulf
58 demeter,hera.
<58 zagsword,poseidon,arthur,zagfist,talos,gilgamesh
Speed (beo,hera,achillies,eris)
1.) beowulf
3.) achillies
4.) eris
2.) hera
5.) hestia
6.) zagspear
7.) lucifer
8.) Nemesis
9.) Demeter
10.) Zagrail
11.) Gilgamesh
12.) Talos
13.) Chaos
14.) GY
15.) Zagshield
16.) Zagfist
17.) Zagbow
18.) Zagsword
19.) Chiron
20.) Poseidon
21.) Rama
22.) Arthur
23.) Hades
24.) Zeus
Generally speaking Zeus/Rama are best heat weapons and Hera/Beowulf are best speedweapons
jolly chasm
Why is Hera at 4?
primal brook
Why is Hera at 4?
wr for achillies/eris/beo on modded is better
jolly chasm
Hera wr is a 4:39
primal brook
oh wait nevermind
jolly chasm
Achilles has a 4:55
primal brook
my bad
jolly chasm
np
analog mauve
does eris not earn itself a place among best heat weapons
playad been going crazy with it
primal brook
does eris not earn itself a place among best heat weapons
would argue that's based on rng, just like Nem isn't on par with Hestia/achillies
analog mauve
id say hestia as well, in fact hestia probably better for heat for most players
tight basin
yeah i'd say hestia is one of the best for a wider audience
primal brook
^yeah wrs have nothing to do with consistency. Most players don't really play a factor into it so talking about "what's the best" is a bit more complicated than a list.
primal brook
That's thanks to CherryDad playing the hell out of it
primal brook
yeah it's more a sign of dedication that certain people have towards weapons rather than the innate power of those weapons themselves
gusty wasp
What’s the most ridiculous world record with a video on YT? I want to be amazed
tight basin
hey who got the dio beo route
gusty wasp
Oh my fav build too!
analog mauve
angels 64 unm is probably the most famous
jolly chasm
What’s the most ridiculous world record with a video on YT? I want to be amazed
4:39 Hera is insane
primal brook
angels 64 unm is probably the most famous
smh, spend 2 months grinding 64 heat and I only have 200 views. Angel grinds 64 heat for 50 minutes and she gets half a million XD
analog mauve
the healian reacting to that eris route is also a good one to watch
analog mauve
smh, spend 2 months grinding 64 heat and I only have 200 views. Angel grinds 64 ...
i mean jokes aside it was huge
both
jolly chasm
That Eris run is 19 seconds slower than current Eris wr lmao
tight basin
edward do you have the dio beo route run handy
jolly chasm
no
analog mauve
That Eris run is 19 seconds slower than current Eris wr lmao
but its explained
tight basin
damn
jolly chasm
Give me like 2 min
analog mauve
for a person who doesnt know about it you learn a lot about how the game works
primal brook
tried searching youtube but their search engine is absolute donkey balls
jolly chasm
Here is the fastest uploaded one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DEUVwFlCdw
Wr is a 2:19
primal brook
Wr is a 2:19
wasn't there a rama route that was supposed to be sub 2 min? Using Lernie skip?
primal brook
my bad yeah
jolly chasm
The route was never finished
tight basin
primal brook
also reliant on "crit 100%" if I remember correctly
jolly chasm
Damue:
jolly chasm
yes
tight basin
damn
gusty wasp
These are insane
tight basin
gaming moment
lunar lynx
I don’t hate Beowulf
But I think it’s a little overrated
You have to stand still for the cast to stack damage on an enemy
Now
If it automatically added cast damage to them when your shield rush attack finishes on the enemy
That would be a different story
potent tree
That would be unbelievably overpowered
lunar lynx
But the devs messed up and deserve prison time for this
potent tree
It's overpowered now. Instant casts would shoot its power level straight into space
lunar lynx
Good
jolly chasm
Have you tried dashstriking
lunar lynx
Yeah
Lately I’ve really been into the bow and railgun
Because I freaking want to get far away from the final boss as much as I can
proper furnace
Those are melee weapons tho
plain river
You have to stand still for the cast to stack damage on an enemy
mfw when it takes 0.2 seconds to charge my bullrush to deliver a nuke
jolly chasm
mfw when I have a whole ass canon
lunar lynx
they gave zigzagreus a gun
plain river
if you actually want to play ranged, spear or long knuckle fists are the weapon for it
lunar lynx
oh yeah the spear throw and reach inscrease hammer upgrade
plain river
I’m not kidding.
fair notch
haven't played fists in a while: do they just suck? like a lot? they were doing absolutely no damage compared to... every single other weapon. first run i've lost in like 20+ runs. i just don't understand how they're SO BAD
magnetic aspect, zeus on attack, aphro on special, tidal dash (i think it was pulling most of the weight tbh)
tight basin
talos might've been the problem
the magnetic cutter hurts more than helps unless you know techs
demeter is the best fist aspect
otherwise your build is fine, although you need static discharge
vital night
Build should be fine
tight basin
static discharge then
vital night
Merciful end would be more reliable
fair notch
i've never gotten merciful end. i don't see how that's reliable
tight basin
reliable damage
tight basin
but yeah if you want damage, ME is the way to go
eh
if you have common doom you're kinda screwed
fair notch
so doom on attack or special?
tight basin
attack always
fair notch
and dem?
tight basin
yeah
fair notch
dem on special i mean?
fair notch
oh oh i didn't even realize that was an aspect
tight basin
dem aspect provides supplemental damage every so often so you can delete an enemy or chunk the boss
although ideally by like ely you'd have ME online
fair notch
i've always liked the magnetic thing though 😦
tight basin
the top talos player said that even with knowing all the talos techs, it still underperforms demeter lmao
granted it's from a speed perspective
but the same would be said for heat too
fair notch
ok i'll try demeter aspect with merciful end
what about hammers for the fists?
i usually get the +900% damage to armor one and long knuckle
is the hadouken any good?
potent tree
'splosive upper. Breaching Cross!
tight basin
is the hadouken any good?
yeah you listed all the good hammers basically lmao
breaching cross, long knuckle, kinetic launcher, explosive upper
although for kinetic launcher, you aren't really using it for the range or whatever, it's mainly for the snappier special and i'm pretty sure increased base damage?
although you can power shot an enemy before they spawn if you want, that's fine
primal brook
the top talos player said that even with knowing all the talos techs, it still u...
adding onto this Angel is pursuing 60H on Dem fist rather than Talos. Talos might have some unique monodash tech but ultimately Demeter is best out of the fists.
fair notch
yeah i just did a run with demeter aspect and ares attack. it very much felt like i was doing the same damage as zeus and then the doom kicked in and boosted it
really not sure why zeus feels like garbage on the fists
primal brook
depends how you play. You can definitely make zeus work but getting good supplimental damage is important.
lucid oar
Yeah having jolted and rush delivery realllly helps
fair notch
Yeah having jolted and rush delivery realllly helps
Doesn't jolted not work as well on the fists as other weapons because of hit stun?
I had jolted on it but it still wasn't doing much
lucid oar
Yeah comparatively but it’s still really good
vital night
Doesn't jolted not work as well on the fists as other weapons because of hit stu...
I mean, doesn’t matter on armored enemies and bosses
Everything else is usually weak enough
potent tree
At least...it's fun huehuehuehuehue
rose nexus
Is it though
steep scarab
demeter fist my beloved
though unfortunately it needs you to build into both attack and special
rose nexus
Not a terrible burden
It gives you something other than boon rarity to want from chaos
vital night
though unfortunately it needs you to build into both attack and special
Not really
Merciful end and Zeus build still work
worn solar
Like all you need for the special is one %dmg boon and maybe one pom
lunar lynx
Best boons for aspect of Demeter gauntlets?
glad slate
Artemis can be very good for the special. But never Poseidon
vital night
Poseidon is fine on dash, but merciful end is still the strongest fists build
pastel jolt
potent tree
A rare Sparrow mod!
pastel jolt
i'm not THAT rare am i???
lunar lynx
Just medium rare
plain river
<:shadegrief:520448187358642194> i'm not THAT rare am i???
…like Chao’s Legendary
steep scarab
<:shadegrief:520448187358642194> i'm not THAT rare am i???
hello thank you for your room icon guide mr sparrow
steep grotto
Does mirage shot work with lightning rod
vital night
Does mirage shot work with lightning rod
I don’t think you get an extra rod
plain river
Does mirage shot work with lightning rod
Definitely does not
fair notch
ok so i'm trying to find like... primary uses for all of the gods and i'm struggling to find a use for dem or dio. Both of them i've taken in the past to just fill a slot / because a god i wanted wasn't appearing. But basically i have these primary uses for each god:
- zeus - fast attacking low damage attack/special
- pos - dash. also fine on special
- athena - dash is good and also merciful end (fists/sword)
- aphro - highest +%damage boost so good on high damage things and call
- ares - merciful end (fists/sword)
- arty - i really like the call and it's also good to put on specials that are part of the normal combo like achilles spear and sword to trigger hunter's mark
- dio - budget zeus?
- dem - budget aphro?
Are there any good builds with either or both?
proper furnace
You got it right for dio/dem lol
Dio's call is pretty good tho
Dem has some support for hera/beo through snow burst and killing freeze is neat
Dio's cast with beo can be funny if you can deal with some harsher rng
fair notch
harsher rng being what exactly?
i've used dio's call in the past i guess but it's never been a primary target. it's just been a filler
i guess killing freeze would be useful during bosses wouldn't it? i've always ignored it because it's rare that all foes are chilled and also not about to die in half a second
proper furnace
harsher rng being what exactly?
Needs you to find arty or pos in tart for mirage, wants extra casts from chaos or other sources and the general cast dmg/Hermes stuff
fair notch
isn't that like all cast builds?
steep grotto
You can build for their casts
fair notch
are their casts better than aphro or athena? those are the two i've used in the past that seemed pretty good
steep grotto
They’re fun but rng kinda annoying to build
They can be very very fast boss killers
proper furnace
isn't that like all cast builds?
Beo dio uses stygian soul
Pos cast uses infernal and is already half of mirage
steep grotto
But for dem the duo between dem and arty is a must
proper furnace
Dem's cast kinda stinky
steep grotto
Becuz the tracking without the duo is slow
U need a lot of dem boon
And the duo is a must
But it is pretty insane
fair notch
what do you mean by "uses" stygian/infernal? isn't it just user choice?
steep grotto
I feel similarly for Dio’s cast
proper furnace
what do you mean by "uses" stygian/infernal? isn't it just user choice?
Optimally not really
steep grotto
Becuz of the lob, i feel like it need ice wine a duo between dio and dem
proper furnace
Most casts prefer infernal for the burst dmg
Especially beo that doesn't lodge its casts
Trippy/dem's want stygian cuz they stay on field for a long time
fair notch
Especially beo that doesn't lodge its casts
do you mean when you use a non-lodging cast with beo?
proper furnace
do you mean when you use a non-lodging cast with beo?
Beo doesn't have lodging casts
They all explode in AoE
fair notch
and then what happens to the stone
proper furnace
It just drops to the ground
fair notch
it just drops immediately?
oh so why would you ever use stygian for that if they're always dropped immediately
proper furnace
oh so why would you ever use stygian for that if they're always dropped immediat...
Trippy puts the fog on field, which lasts for 5s
tight basin
dio cast stays on the ground for 5s, stygian regens over 3s
it just makes more sense to want it to regen realistically so you have less down time
the problem is that now you need to find casts from chaos
steep grotto
Yup
Alternatively u cud hunt for hermes legendary greater recall if youre using infernal
XD
fair notch
the problem is that now you need to find casts from chaos
or charon. i've only seem then from chaos like once or twice
tight basin
charon wells yeah
fair notch
doesn't athena legendary also give cast?
tight basin
band aid solution most of the time lmao
proper furnace
Hourglass is really good for casts
proper furnace
That never shows in cast builds
fair notch
artemis yeah that's what i meant but i confuse those two names
tight basin
getting a legendary is insanely difficult to do, you gotta see artemis 3 times in the run
steep grotto
I kinda like dio and dem cuz they generally give u something to build towards, which can be annoying and fun at the same time
tight basin
and also need to consider that you also want mirage shot lmao
fair notch
so mirage shot and arty legendary have some synergy in that you can look for more arty boons to get either
proper furnace
Arty's legendary almost never comes into play
fair notch
getting a legendary is insanely difficult to do, you gotta see artemis 3 times i...
why is 3 times hard? i nearly always get 3 zeus/aphro/pos when building them
steep grotto
U need one basic, one second tier boon and one the third one u have a chance to get the legendary
steep grotto
Oh and generally u shud use achilles spear for cast builds
Or a good second is poseidon sword
fair notch
my "cast" builds have only been on hera so far
steep grotto
Cast builds work weird with hera and beo ofher than aphro and poseidon
proper furnace
Is less weird and just weaker lol
Unless you are using icy/slicing/thunder
Those are weird
steep grotto
Is less weird and just weaker lol
That, i can never remember XD
But yeah try crystal clarity build thats the duo between dem and arty
Get glacial freeze, maybe artic blast and or killing freeze and then the legendary
It’s pretty fun
If u dont get the duo though the run is gonna suck
XD
candid tinsel
I'm over 90 runs in and still have yet to use Glacial Glare, I so despise Demeters cast
rose nexus
I'm over 90 runs in and still have yet to use Glacial Glare, I so despise Demete...
Based
primal brook
I'm over 90 runs in and still have yet to use Glacial Glare, I so despise Demete...
would suggest getting the artemis/demeter duoboon if you're using demeter cast, yeah it can be rough.
light prairie
okay uh. this seems like the right channel for my question
Tisiphone (Or one of the non-Meg furies, I think it was her though) has an attack where she dashes in a straight line and fires off a bunch of green things. Is this attack possible to dodge?
I fought the other two furies in back to back runs and got obliterated by both of them.
I didn't get a Deflect boon so I couldn't create a safe spot for myself. Is this the only strategy?
tight basin
yeah that one's dodgeable
she has a telegraph that's iirc her like crouching down or something
you can visibly see her get ready to charge forward
light prairie
Yes, and I usually try to get out of the way, but there's the problem of the projectiles. Those are what I'm most concerned about.
jolly chasm
I have 3 ichors and red RD lmao
tight basin
do you have hyper sprint tho
light prairie
ngl idrk i just eat the projectile bits
I don't usually have the health to do that. I just finished saving up for Stubborn Defiance.
tight basin
I don't usually have the health to do that. I just finished saving up for Stubbo...
my guess would be to try and dash through her own dash, towards her
light prairie
Alright. Thank you! :)
tight basin
if you dash into the same line as her, you can probably dodge her projectiles coming out the side of her?
they might appear a bit behind her and you might eat some projectiles lmao
light prairie
So just try and dash past her and hope that doesn't make me take damage?
light prairie
I do in fact use the shield as my main. I keep forgetting I can defend, though. That blocks all frontal attacks?
light prairie
I mostly just used it for the combination of short- and long-range options.
light prairie
the block angle is pretty wide iirc but i need to double check that
Eyeballing it now, I think it's about 2.5x Zagreus's width. Not sure exactly, though.
tight basin
light prairie
Ooooh, that's pretty good. So just point it at her and hope for the best?
tight basin
yeah just point it at her and you'll block it
light prairie
Thanks for the help! 
I'm so used to fighting Meg that I didn't prepare myself for other bosses lol.
rose nexus
Isn’t it nice of the game to wait until you’re finally a little bit confident about beating meg
To then be like oh hey by the way
vital night
the block angle is pretty wide iirc but i need to double check that
Some things you can block behind to lol
potent tree
Can also just pop the projectiles if you have a suitable ranged weapon
light prairie
Hey, uh, how do I beat Alecto? I have the shield and was preparing to fight Tisiphone instead. Should I just abandon the run?
nvm i just had to dash a bunch and use my special
static oak
I like ares blade rifts, im thinkin of messin about with a guan yu ares run, rn im doin a poseidon run for that prophecy
late river
How important is Dou Boons when it comes to speedrunning?
tight basin
How important is Dou Boons when it comes to speedrunning?
depends which build you're going for
some builds absolutely need it, some don't at all, some aim for it bc why not but it isn't important if you get it
rose nexus
Two gold dou bloons
late river
depends which build you're going for
Bow, either Zagures or the Gaun Yu version
tight basin
Bow, either Zagures or the Gaun Yu version
you dont need duo boons for either of them
the only one that you might get would be like lightning rod maybe
kinda just depends on whether you see the appropriate gods
artemis and zeus you both want on rama, zag bow kinda depends
zag bow generally starts tidal dash and you find either aphrodite or artemis attack, although artemis attack is really only good on zag bow if you get twin/triple shot
or hella chaos additive somehow in tart
rose nexus
Zeus attack arty special zagbow with lightning rod sounds like gaming
(Do not do this)
tight basin
i think i did something like that before
rose nexus
On purpose?
late river
What does lightning rod do? I usually go Tidal dash and Artemis attack boons
tight basin
tight basin
oh well you can read the description in the screenshot i just sent lmao
tight basin
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1059374033226956840/...
ngl if this was like on eris this would've been such a good build
late river
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1059374033226956840/...
What? So if it's on the ground it will keep striking? That's OP lol
rose nexus
It’s really not
tight basin
it's pretty good yeah
not op but good
it's kinda something you dont really aim to get
but if you get it you'd take it
for rama it just happens really easily since you already have zeus and artemis in your pool
since you want to start zeus special and get artemis dash
although not entirely sure if her dash opens the duo lmao
pretty sure it does
late river
How impossible is to beat 64 heat run? I heard only few people done it and it's a 4 years old game
tight basin
it's been done twice unmodded and like
15 times or something? with the speedrun modpack and first boon epic mod
although it's not 15 different people it's like maybe 5 lmao
angel, bai, playad, mysterra, poshboy, vaxon
i feel like im missing someone
baj did unmodded seeded
late river
I really want to try it, I'm still new, currently on the 4th heat
rose nexus
Have fun!
tight basin
you're gonna need a couple thousand hours grinding 1 aspect my friend lmao
and that 1 aspect needs to be 64 viable
rose nexus
Chiron
tight basin
some are just impossible due to time constraints
late river
you're gonna need a couple thousand hours grinding 1 aspect my friend lmao
For Titan Blood?
rose nexus
No
tight basin
no for heat
rose nexus
For the skills to beat 64 heat
rose nexus
And then the rng to get a winnable run
tight basin
yeah lol
at a certain point, you need more rng than skill (you still need a lot of skill tho)
partly why unmodded 64 took so damn long
rose nexus
64 Heat would be so easy with lv50 eris
tight basin
lmfao real
rose nexus
Guy is onto something here
tight basin
lvl 50 eris is just mega rd without needing the movement speed
if you make the shared suffering % high enough you can do lernie and dad skip technically
late river
Who is Eris, a summon?
rose nexus
Eris is the goddess of strife and discord
tight basin
Imagine beowulf if the game ever raised aspect level cap
leveling up beo increases atk and width of the dragon rush so at a certain point you'd just one shot the whole room with a loaded dragon rush
rose nexus
She’s not featured in game but an aspect of the railgun is named after her
tight basin
aphro atk is all you'd need lmao
late river
Ah I see, but what do you mean lv 50 eris, weapons have lv?
rose nexus
Lv50 was a joke since the cap is 5
But yes they do
Once you unlock all 6 weapons you can use Titan’s blood to unlock and level up the different aspects of each weapon
late river
I only have the Blood Titan upgrades but not lv
rose nexus
It shows as levels when you use the blood to upgrade
tight basin
you use titan blood to upgrade your aspects
so i'm pretty sure that's the same thing
late river
Blood upgrades is maxed at 5
late river
I must got confused, I thought lv 50 is 50 upgrades
tight basin
the level 50 thing was a joke
rose nexus
You’re not confused, I was just making a joke
late river
Lol my bad
rose nexus
We get bored here so we dream up things that don’t exist
steep scarab
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1059374033226956840/...
how do people even do TD3
beating the game in 20 minutes
like is it skill of go quick or is it good build goes quick
tight basin
Skill of go quick
Oh wait it's both lmao I misread
You need a good build to go quick
worn solar
Both help
tight basin
But you also need to know what you're doing lmao
worn solar
Like you can go sub 20 with like one boon or just shackle if youre good enough
primal brook
beating the game in 20 minutes
usually through taking quick rooms when available (shop,story-rooms etc.) and pause menuing before making door decisions so you're not standing around wasting time.
meager oracle
What's a good god to pair with the spear if you have the hammer upgrade, forgot the name, where it hits 7 enemies in a row.
I tried Zeus last time and in Than's appearance i actually stole all his kills.
vital night
how do people even do TD3
Most runs end up under 20 minutes with a decent build, not being scared of enemies, and taking free rooms
misty nimbus
What are some of the best mirror builds to aim for?
jolly chasm
Mirror builds? Like mirror options?
light prairie
im currently struggling to beat the bone hydra. i main Aegis for the range diversity and tend to take boons that affect my dash and/or let me deflect, but not using my special or my cast. i barely ever use aphrodite's boons unless theyre the only option at the time. anyone have any tips?
proper furnace
im currently struggling to beat the bone hydra. i main Aegis for the range diver...
Aphro has the highest % so you want to take her on the attack
That said do you have aspects yet?
light prairie
what's that
light prairie
i havent been able to use it. i havent even beaten bone hydra yet
proper furnace
Aight, base shield dmg can be a bit lacking without the right hammers
You want charged shot ideally or pulverizing blow
proper furnace
i havent been able to use it. i havent even beaten bone hydra yet
Aspects are unlocked after you get all weapons btw
light prairie
You want charged shot ideally or pulverizing blow
i prefer having the bull rush and not the pierce because i like moving very fast all around the board and it makes my brain sparkle. but good to know
proper furnace
i prefer having the bull rush and not the pierce because i like moving very fast...
Oh yeah charged shot def trades some defense but you still have the block
You often can just spam the attack at close range then hold quickly
light prairie
i usually use my special and kite when im fighting meg or alecto. havent beaten tisiphone yet but i will persevere
proper furnace
You don't wanna use the special with the shield
It disables your attack and thus your block and rush
tight basin
i prefer having the bull rush and not the pierce because i like moving very fast...
On the other hand charged shot does a lot of damage lmao
light prairie
You don't wanna use the special with the shield
i usually stay at long range anyway so i use it most often when nothings nearby
marsh tendon
Which boons should I go for when using the spear aspect of Guan Yu
plain river
Which boons should I go for when using the spear aspect of Guan Yu
Large +% flourish boons (special boosters) like aphrodite > athena / demeter, add chaos on that
You can do artemis, iyou bank on just finding a bunch of chaos boons but it’s less consistent
gusty wasp
I need to get Demeter boons for the prophecy (legendary and two duos, I think one is cold embrace), what are some fun builds
The other is probably freezing vortex which means another run
rose nexus
Cold embrace is never fun
Just get it and never use it while playing something that wants Aphrodite attack
Freezing vortex can be strong with lots of ares tier 2 support
gusty wasp
I played exactly one full-on Ares cast build and it was glorious
Rifts filling the screen
rose nexus
Yeah if you manage to get all the rift support boons they start to do some damage
steep scarab
I played exactly one full-on Ares cast build and it was glorious
one good blade rift run sends a man barking down the empty well, taking any blade rift boon in hopes to experience it again
jaunty jackal
I think my build is great for a "on the moment" build but I still want yall opinion
bow zag aspect for crit
dedalus hammer for holding special
arthemis on the special
aphrodite on the attack
duo boons of those two for more dmg on weaken foes
athena on the dash
proper furnace
charged volley can def be funny
and it'll prob work out
if you want the stronger option you are better off just using your attack
plain river
I think my build is great for a "on the moment" build but I still want yall opin...
Charged volley builds are funny but… not really effective? That’s kind of how the default bow special goes in general though.
You’ve got the right idea for making a zag aspect crit build though
divine dash from athena’s just like… a bonus, nothing necessary or crucial to making your build work
Just to cover all my bases here, zag bow’s crit chance only applies to it’s attack, not the special.
errant acorn
All other things being equal, should I pom Curse of Agony or Impending Doom on a Merciful End Demeter build?
vital night
All other things being equal, should I pom Curse of Agony or Impending Doom on a...
Minimum 5 poms in attack and maximum 3 poms in impending
Impending scales fine for a few poms, but it’s more useful just by virtue of being in your build
Attack scales pretty well with poms continuously and you should have more poms in it anyways because you start with it
light prairie
is zeus's cast (rare) better or worse than his call (common)
light prairie
a
last perch
rarity doesn't really matter like 95% of the time when picking boons
To slightly clarify what they almost certainly meant here: rarity almost always matters for an individual boon - getting your build's most relevant boons as rare as you can get them is a huge power boost. But you shouldn't pick a boon over another boon based on its rarity.
analog mauve
yes
ideally when you pick up a gods boon you should know what boon/s you want from them
you dont decide what to choose after picking it up, especially not based on rarity
supple solar
How can I make the 4th armory upgrades for weapons appear?
So far I'm at 61 tries and only have gotten the spear to show its 4th upgrade for blood option
primal brook
How can I make the 4th armory upgrades for weapons appear?
you need to unlock 5 non zagreus aspects with titanblood then talk to achillies (over and over again if you don't get the dialogue)
dense ginkgo
does hermes Swift Strike (Your attack is faster) buff reload speed? or is it literally useless for hestia aspect?
to clarify, hestia is the gun aspect that requires you constantly alternate between firing only 1 bullet and reloading
rose nexus
Leaning no but I can’t say 100%
vital night
does hermes Swift Strike (Your attack is faster) buff reload speed? or is it lit...
I think it speeds up the attack animation itself
rose nexus
Swift Strike and Swift Flourish pretty much only ever speed up the attack/special animation itself
vital night
So kinda useless
Swift flourish is better if you don’t get hypersprint, +dashes, or rush delivery
plain river
does hermes Swift Strike (Your attack is faster) buff reload speed? or is it lit...
It’s a no
for the former
Unsure about the second
light prairie
got dio's dash in the 3rd room just now (was hoping for his cast) and i'm gonna pom it as much as i can. for the bit
going for a hit and run playstyle this tim
e
rose nexus
Nasty dash moment
Your most recent hangover attack overwrites other hangover sources even if they’re stronger, so if you’re gonna use his dash you want it to be your only source of hangover
light prairie
yeah
im gonna look at like. not having two boons from the same olympian because i have the mirror perk that gives me bonuses for that
rose nexus
Family Favorite is good, but it doesn’t mean you can’t take two cores from the same god
Passive boons still count
And unless you go out of your way to never take a 4th god it’s pretty easy to wind up with a full 4 god pool
And Hermes counts as a 5th for family favorite
light prairie
just got meg!
light prairie
Family Favorite is good, but it doesn’t mean you can’t take two cores from the s...
also yeah i know. just gonna avoid ones i already have yk?
light prairie
hydra only summons twice right?
potent tree
Two rounds of Lernie heads
light prairie
ok so now im gonna block and then bull rush into it over and over until it dies. which has been my strategy
i only ever really take damage on the baby heads
hydra gone
and it only took like 15 minutes
potent tree
That hydra had a family!
light prairie
and it took me 15 minutes to slaughter them. now i'm in elysium
tired niche
Extreme Measures Hades is pretty hard (I'm at 16 heat)
So far I've been working with Ares + Athena Merciful End build with Stygius. It gets pretty easy to be honest, up until Theseus and the Minotaur / Hades. I can reliably get Theseus and the Minotaur Extreme Measures down without using up a Death Defiance, I get their moveset now, but Hades, augh.
Still can't.
I use the Aspect of Nemesis at Legendary rarity, but I have revealed the Aspect of Arthur and it's at Heroic rarity for now.
Haven't experimented with any other weapons.
Any solutions?
tired niche
i was able to do it once at 1 less heat
i use 2 Tight Deadline, 1 Damage Control, 4 Extreme Measures, and Middle Management
willow fossil
If i don't have em4 the run doesn't count
tired niche
If i don't have em4 the run doesn't count
so real
analog mauve
🙂
hexed summit
Extreme Measures Hades is pretty hard (I'm at 16 heat)
So far I've been working ...
Yeah EM heroes is imo kinda anti-melee especially when they can strip acorn very quickly.
tired niche
I actually don't use Acorn 😭
My only fully ranked-up keepsake is Bone Hourglass
but i should look into acorns yeah
tight basin
Acorn in em4 would help a lot
But also not using a melee weapon would go a long way lmao
It's def doable ofc but the ranged weapons have more consistency
supple solar
Got 4th aspect for stygian blade. Gyatdanm Arthur hits like a truck.
gusty wasp
Extreme Measures Hades is pretty hard (I'm at 16 heat)
So far I've been working ...
I did EM4 easiest with beowulf shield, I guess stacking dodge can also work? Otherwise good luck dashing
light prairie
ok im fighting the minotaur rn heres my strategy
- block CONSTANTLY
- after he rushes towards me, bull rush past him and block again
- repeat until dead
is this good?
yeah he hasnt been able to hit me once and ive already gotten him like. 5-7% down by doing basically nothing for 3-4 attacks
he just got his first hit in (9 damage) and hes basically halfway down
light prairie
i do not care about speed. i just care about not dying lol
also i think it's funny
won :)
ok how do i do theseus alone
rose nexus
He blocks attacks from the front
After he throws his spear and retrieves it he walks backwards for a while, he’s vulnerable then
light prairie
oh you do not fight him alone do you
i can probably just repeat my other strat a little bit
rose nexus
I mean, you fight him alone after you kill asterius
rose nexus
Only if you convince him to
light prairie
ok uh
does my block and bull rush over and over strategy... work here?
im gonna rest my arms for a bit
vital night
does my block and bull rush over and over strategy... work here?
i guess yeah
seems like a very low damage way to play though
light prairie
low risk
vital night
meh
longer fight means more opportunities to take damage
ideally you want to be doing as much damage as possible, esp with a shield
willow fossil
Your enemies can't hit you if they are dead
plain river
You’re in the wrong Hades builds games
If you didn’t notice Stickybot
As someone who hasn’t bought Hades 2 yet, every one of your messages is a spoiler head over to where you’ll actually get help
sharp tendon
OH CRAP SORRY I MISREAD THE NUMBER
potent tree
BETRAYED by cute baby giraffe nooooo
sharp tendon
BETRAYED by cute baby giraffe nooooo
being sent to tartarus as we speak
willow fossil
Grab his keepsake and twist it
analog vapor
Can someone tell me which is best for 4th aspect bow?
Explosive shot
Twin shot
Point Blank shot
tight basin
Can someone tell me which is best for 4th aspect bow?
Explosive shot
Twin shot
P...
Twin shot
analog vapor
thx
for chaos, should I go damage to attack, or damage to dash strike?
The 3rd option is bonus darkness and gems, so I didn't mention it
proper furnace
for chaos, should I go damage to attack, or damage to dash strike?
Which is the higher bonus
And curse
analog vapor
I already took attack. It was 49% dash strike, 43% attack
tight basin
Eh close enough lmao it's fine
analog vapor
Also, how do I get the stuff in the secret stashes?
proper furnace
Ambrosia to specific characters
steep scarab
longer fight means more opportunities to take damage
perfect spear v perfect shield ahh
hybrid field
How can i beat charon? Is there a certain strat?Hes harder even than the main bosses for me
plain river
How can i beat charon? Is there a certain strat?Hes harder even than the main bo...
Honestly a lot of his difficulty comes from the lack of experience you have with him
And since his stats are the same regardless of where you fight him
at lot of the time he’s a more difficult fight because you don’t have anything uet
hybrid field
And since his stats are the same regardless of where you fight him
Yea thats also partially the reason
The later i fight him, the stronger i get
My main issue is i dont recognize his attack patterns/ animations
supple solar
Cast - special - 3 attacks, dodge, attack, dodge, cast, special, 3 attacks dodge repeat.
vital night
What
tight basin
Cast - special - 3 attacks, dodge, attack, dodge, cast, special, 3 attacks dodge...
what is this for lmao
that sounds insanely complicated for any aspect in the game
vital night
that sounds insanely complicated for any aspect in the game
Sounds like Arthur /j
This is the combo I do in my head to insta phase and then in game I step in a pot and die
modern nacelle
which attack boon works best with nemesis sword? my immediate thought was artemis, but now i’m wondering if aphrodite would be stronger
analog mauve
aphrodite is better with higher rarity especially if you can get heart rend
vital night
which attack boon works best with nemesis sword? my immediate thought was artemi...
Both are fine, Artemis is better if you have some other source of additive like chaos or hunter dash
tight basin
or double edge
analog mauve
in heat too?
analog mauve
idr did you finish 242450 yet?
solid night
personally i feel like all 3 are fine for nem blades but i just like heart rend (if i get it) and the consistent damage is cool too
my default nem build is aphro attack arty special divine dash with either zeus or dio call
stuff to aim for are blinding flash (for privileged status), PP hunters mark, or maybe even splitting headache/smouldering air depending on the call
analog mauve
it will happen
vital night
Yeah
analog mauve
legends say you get boosted clear chances when ur playing the aotw aspect
vital night
Maybe
tight basin
Hera 64
sharp tendon
Yea thats also partially the reason
The later i fight him, the stronger i get
mannnn
the time I tried my hand at Charon in Tartarus cuz I was confident in my shield block
absolutely destroyed
I had like 1 boon on me and could prock the whole 2-curses 40% damage thing
sharp tendon
ikr
rose nexus
supple solar
Well rail 4th aspect with zues boon on attack was lightning up mobs hard but then I got to thessius and he smacked me up
hybrid field
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide
This was insanely helpful
Thank you🙏
graceful kindle
Hi hi hi gamers I have a Q
I hope this is the right place for it
this here shattered shackle keepsake
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901453168448270346/1301717683376750634/image.png?ex=67257e90&is=67242d10&hm=265b6ae34cec0e8648b3151351cc053bb088384662ac34a1190101c10e4efe07&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
does "empowered by a boon" merely mean "the attack/special/cast boon slots are not filled", or does something like this boon disable the extra damage from the keepsake, despite not filling up the attack slot?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901453168448270346/1301725225481801728/image.png?ex=67258596&is=67243416&hm=82d9d1f9b630e29dc6c190690ea7a01532902afe5e62f375b11c0f5f3d23ff81&
tight basin
does "empowered by a boon" merely mean "the attack/special/cast boon slots are n...
jus attack, special, and cast boon
you can have like
pos cast and no attack, and your attack will get the shackle boost
graceful kindle
So what about swift strike over here?
jolly chasm
Shackle will still work
graceful kindle
Gotcha ty ty ty
plain river
So what about swift strike over here?
It only counts core boons, so the ones that will fill the slot on the side/ each regular olympan has exactly one boon for each
Hermes/chaos/ any boons that aren’t core boons from gods won’t cancel shackle
graceful kindle
Cool cool
Thank you discord user shackle..... how fitting.....
Btw, I failed that run horribly. First time I ever run out of time on the 7 minutes per region challenge 😭 literally never happened before. I thought I'd try out running the keepsake and seeing how it goes, it turns out, not very well at all
||The hypnos voiceline afterwards killed me again too||
rose nexus
Shackle is more of a novelty than anything
If you never leveled it up it’s not gonna help you much even in the few cases where it’s competitive at 3 stars
vagrant crane
shackle isnt really a novelty
rose nexus
At 1 star it’s definitely a novelty
vital night
Only one way to rank it up
iron moss
Can someone help me make a build with Sheild of Zeus aspect. I just unlocked it and I don’t think I’m using it that well😭
sharp tendon
Can someone help me make a build with Sheild of Zeus aspect. I just unlocked it ...
this is so on the nose its almost stupid but you should actually just plop zeus special on your well... zeus aspect special
and uhhh
I'd say look for support fire from artemis
plain river
and uhhh
I'd say look for support fire from artemis
Eh
plain river
Can someone help me make a build with Sheild of Zeus aspect. I just unlocked it ...
The easiest way to build zeus shield is to actually just use zeus. Thunder flourish (zeus’s special), lightning discharge, double strike, high voltage, splitting bolt, the works yk
Put aphrodite on strike and now you have a way to get smouldering air, so you can rock out zeus call really hard
iron moss
The easiest way to build zeus shield is to actually just use zeus. Thunder flour...
What about ares or dynosisous(yes my spelling is beautiful)
They no good?
vital night
They no good?
Ares is better on attack and Dionysus is better on call(or attack)
Zeus or aphro are just too strong on special to pass up
iron moss
Oki
potent tree
Zeus and Dionysus!
plain river
What about ares or dynosisous(yes my spelling is beautiful)
Zeus & Aphro > Athena (for Merciful End with Ares strike) > Dionysus > Ares (for merciful end with athena strike) tbh
proper furnace
What dyall consider the best cast?
Athena/zeus
Pos can be good if you wanna bully styx
Ares into hunting blades can carry an otherwise meh run
plain river
ngl Artemis is up there for openning deadly reversal once you have merciful end
potent tree
Lightning Phalanx
plain river
ME specific case
proper furnace
Oh yeah for ME runs true shot goes up some places
iron moss
Chat what’s an easy build to start with. I have like 60 attempts 0 clears😭
proper furnace
Fav weapon?
sharp tendon
~~Zeus and Dionysus!~~
Wait dym like them individually or the duo boon?
iron moss
Fav weapon?
Idk tbf. I usually just play whatever
potent tree
Individually! As opposed to Hunting Blades or Lightning Phalanx which are Ares+Artemis and Athena+Zeus, respectively
sharp tendon
huhh
I always just sticked to Pos for quick AoE
potent tree
Oh wait ignore what I said: I keep mixing up "Cast" and "Call"
I probably need to get checked for ADHD, etc. 😅
sharp tendon
ahhhh aight
iron moss
Any tips for hades phase 2. I’m struggling
lime lodge
Any tips for hades phase 2. I’m struggling
What specifically are you having trouble with? Like certain attacks? Also is this is EM4 or regular Dad
iron moss
What specifically are you having trouble with? Like certain attacks? Also is thi...
Idk what em4 is so prolly regular(I have yet to clear a run😔) elysium is usually where my run gets cooked but if I make it to hades then I’ll lose on the second stage due to me not knowing what the hell is going on
vital night
Idk what em4 is so prolly regular(I have yet to clear a run😔) elysium is usuall...
Use the pillars to dodge the lasers
Dashes give iframes and striking during the dash removes the iframes
lime lodge
Idk what em4 is so prolly regular(I have yet to clear a run😔) elysium is usuall...
Ahhh gotcha gotcha -- so Hades largely has like 3 attacks to recognize (thrust, spin, and skull), and then some variations of those (at lower health, he might throw 2-3 skulls quickly before a thrust, etc., he can turn invisible before reappearing for one of those moves, stuff like that)
In phase two it's mainly the same except he can summon vases that break and stun/damage you on hit (either you or Hades can break em), or he can start spewing lasers
When it comes to lasers, you can hide behind pillars like Aspect of Explosive Return mentioned, or you can actually get right next to him since there's a gap between Hades himself and the lasers
iron moss
In phase two it's mainly the same except he can summon vases that break and stun...
Should I break the vases myself or just ignore them
lime lodge
Should I break the vases myself or just ignore them
if you're playing at range like with the bow, maybe breaking them helps out -- otherwise i'd recommend just walking away to a area that's less dense with vases
iron moss
Aight aight any builds you recommend? I been playing Zeus Sheild or Chiron bow but I have 1 Titan blood and idk what I should do with it
lime lodge
Aight aight any builds you recommend? I been playing Zeus Sheild or Chiron bow b...
Zeus shield loves Zeus Boons, unsurprisingly -- throw Thunder Flourish on that and toss the shield, running away from it so as it returns to you and continuing to hit folks
Also it's a shield, so abuse the block mechanic lol
I think Chiron with Drunken Flourish (Dionysus) is a pretty safe way to play too
lime lodge
You'll always come across more, so feel free to explore your options, I think Chiron and Zeus shield are pretty okay with low blood investment
rose nexus
Zagreus shield is a safe early investment
tight basin
Zagreus shield is a safe early investment
zag shield kinda eh without good hammers
rose nexus
If you keep trying zagreus shield, put some blood into it, and aim for Aphrodite attack and charged shot hammer, you can pretty much brute force your first win
tight basin
you have like 2.5 good hammers lmao
tight basin
You'll always come across more, so feel free to explore your options, I think Ch...
chiron's pretty ass without blood investment
rose nexus
Chiron is beyond ass without full blood
tight basin
lmfao it's still like fine
lime lodge
chiron's pretty ass without blood investment
i think if you're just trying to get a clear, throwing dio on it is okay at low blood
tight basin
but like you kinda need those special arrows
don't you only get like 3 arrows at lvl 1
okay you get 4
rose nexus
You can honestly waste all of you pre first clear blood and still be okay because delta chamber zagrail is always an option
lime lodge
4, so not great, but still pretty easy to use
rose nexus
So is flurry jab zagspear
tight basin
i wouldn't use it until at least 5 arrows tbh
vagrant crane
chiron is ass at every blood
tight basin
4, so not great, but still pretty easy to use
it's easy but it's still not great lmao
tight basin
would just stick with zeus shield
vagrant crane
high blood chiron is also zagbow without the crits
lime lodge
i mean we're still talking about 0 heat first time clear, i'd recommend zeus shield more for sure though
tight basin
if we're gonna be broad for everything then like literally anything works for first clear
rose nexus
Lv1 gy
tight basin
doable
lime lodge
if we're gonna be broad for everything then like literally anything works for fi...
i didn't wanna say it, yeah :V
rose nexus
For an average new player though you’re either gonna want to invest blood optimally or use one of the 3 weps with hammers that can hard carry a first clear
lime lodge
fair enough
iron moss
For an average new player though you’re either gonna want to invest blood optima...
Yea so I’m pretty sure I wasted half my blood on zag spear when I was super clueless 😭
rose nexus
Not a total waste but I always sleep on zagspear because I have terrible luck getting charged skewer and exploding launcher
iron moss
Oh ya I have hades spear as well
rose nexus
But spear is one of the three weapons that I was talking about having a hammer that can hard carry even with 0 blood
Flurry Jab (doesn’t show up for Hades spear though)
iron moss
But spear is one of the three weapons that I was talking about having a hammer t...
Are hammers just pure luck