Best tip I can give would to try and avoid main story stuff so the hidden sword dialogue doesn't get pushed back
#h1-builds-and-combat
proper furnace
trim canopy
OK.
seems kind of the same situation w/ the "a place of revelry" unlock lol. a million opinions on what it takes to actually achieve that.
trim canopy
wow life is much easier when you finally get the "oh yeah, i have a god call i can use!" into your muscle memory during fights.
trim canopy
i loathe the shield, but it's the only weapon i haven't cleared w/ yet. what aspect would y'all recommend? i've tried zeus because i know it's supposed to be the best, but i can't for the life of me get the yoyo rhythm down and end up just raging out.
jolly chasm
Do you have the hidden aspect?
jolly chasm
We need a good Beo copy paste guide
But here is a little rundown
Poseidon and Artemis
Get Poseidons cast, Pom it to level 5/6, get their duo boon
You’ll need either Artemis’ attack or special
Or call but it sucks
Look for charged shot hammer as well
Chaos bonuses and well items are incredibly helpful
trim canopy
I'll try that now! Reading Lee's guide about Beowulf but his attack style explanation seems confusing, we'll see. Thank you.
jolly chasm
👍
analog mauve
i loathe the shield, but it's the only weapon i haven't cleared w/ yet. what asp...
shield just sucks until you get cshot
without it it just kinda sucks
jolly chasm
So true bestie
trim canopy
word. any mirror advice?
trim canopy
infernal soul i suppose
proper furnace
Yeah
trim canopy
seems like standard guides recommend shadow presence, but speedrun guides love fiery presence
jolly chasm
Fiery meets a lot of breakpoints, especially on Beo
trim canopy
so good on beo or use shadow?
jolly chasm
Go fiery
trim canopy
k
proper furnace
Fiery my beloved just to one shot witches
Tho I think you need high confidence too
trim canopy
ok readin this attack method one more time, basically "dash strike, hold attack, charge a short rush, use it, and load casts during bull rush" lol. i said "basically".
remap cast to shoulder then pop casts at end of rush
......ok ima just do a run and stop thinkin, LEEEROOOOY JEENNNNKINNNNNSS
proper furnace
I don't like mid rush casting that much
With practice you know how many casts you need load to kill X enemy so I just load before rushing
trim canopy
ok i'll try high confidence, i'm still on attempt 112, squishy noob but we'll see
lean mango
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI/edit
beo guide here is good as well
jolly chasm
Flood shot?
trim canopy
whoops! i mean curse of drowning
jolly chasm
Never take curse of drowning on Beo, sell that thing
trim canopy
ha sweet i had banana's guide open. too many tabs.
wonder how many of the bugs mentioned in these guides are still live.
jolly chasm
All of them iirc, because they were made after the game stopped being patched
lean mango
mirage is, and that's all that matters
worn solar
With practice you know how many casts you need load to kill X enemy so I just lo...
Its useful so you dont load all your casts only for a bomber to jump off screen 
jolly chasm
I def wished they had patched some of the beo bugs
lean mango
and yeah, the hades devs respect speedrunners, they're not going to patch out exploits this late
jolly chasm
Looking at you charged shot attack bugs
worn solar
Also idk bullrushing to pick up a cast and loading it at the same time
jolly chasm
Also idk bullrushing to pick up a cast and loading it at the same time
Idk man, just backward daskstrike into a scoot, it's not that hard
trim canopy
do y'all normally buy light of ixion from well even if you aren't speedrunning?
jolly chasm
Yes
trim canopy
oof. worst run i've had in a hot minute, died at lernie, but didn't get the artemis attack until the chamber before. ha.
jolly chasm
https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/ Wiki for hammers, boons, and other things of the sort
@errant narwhal Sorry for ping, but would you mind pinning this? It is linked quite often, and it would be easier to direct people to if they asked about hammers and boons
errant narwhal
https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/ Wiki for hammers, boons, and other things...
jolly chasm
Thank you!
vale pecan
how would delta chamber hammer work with aspect of hestia
jolly chasm
You can still manually reload
vale pecan
ah that makes sense with the wording ty would you reccomend taking it?
azure kraken
if you clear a level of heat will you get all the boss rewards for the levels before that? Like if I cleat heat level 5 with a weapon ive never played will i get all the boss rewards for all the levels or just level 5?
vital night
if you clear a level of heat will you get all the boss rewards for the levels be...
you will get the rewards for 1
if you clear 5 again, you get 2, and so on
You can't miss rewards, but you only get one set of rewards from one run
this is assuming you skip to 5
azure kraken
Okay so if I have all the bosses beat except final on an aspect itd be better to up the heat instead of trying to get final boss reward?
vital night
no, you have to get all of the rewards before moving up in heat
azure kraken
Oh so you have to clear each heat level one at a time for every aspect?
vital night
So once you beat a boss on 19, you can't do the same on 20 and get that reward before beating all of the bosses on 19 or better
azure kraken
Gotcha, thanks!
vital night
No, but once you start the rewards for a heat, you can't move up without completing that set of rewards, whether it's earned on that heat or a higher one
trim canopy
if i'm doin a crushed shot hera build, should i pom deadly strike or hunters mark?
when it's between those 2 and hydraulic might. i
jolly chasm
Hunters prob
trim canopy
wow....just faced theseus and the bull in their super swag new chariot and god armor for the first time. big ole' GG on that run...pfff.
vital night
if i'm doin a crushed shot hera build, should i pom deadly strike or hunters mar...
Artemis attack and special don’t take poms well
trim canopy
those 2 and hydraulic might were the only options lol
vital night
You should ideally be getting additive from chaos and wells
Fair enough
Mark can take a Pom or two
analog mauve
Thank you!
you just wanted to get pinned 
jolly chasm
Shut up /j
tight basin
damn it's been over a year since my thing got pinned
i just didn't want to study for finals
analog mauve
this year is a year of being a year since things
tight basin
it really has been huh lmao
last year was kinda wild
tbf this year we got a lot of stuff too
granite depot
Do modifiers to values on different characters get stacked additively or multiplicatively? e.g. if you have "deal +%50 damage" and enemy has "takes +%50 damage" would these be added to +100% or multiplied to +125%? Or if you have "take 50% reduced damage" and enemy has "deals 50% reduced damage" would they be added to 100% reduced or multiplied to 75%?
My understanding is if you have multiple % modifiers to the same quantity, e.g. the damage dealt in a particular hit, then they're additive. E.g. your special deals +50% and you have +%50 damage = +100% total on specials. But idk if it applies to different values where one is an input to another's calculation.
Same thing for armour pierce. Does +50% damage with +800% damage against armour result in +850% or a bit over 1200%?
analog mauve
Yeah damage multipliers are additive
I believe damage reduction is multiplicative
As well as move speed
granite depot
Which one applies first between added increased damage and multiplied reduced damage?
granite depot
I only care about the source if it changes the answer
analog mauve
Im not entirely sure but I think the enemy damage multipliers are acted on first, and damage reduction is calculated on that value
Say an enemy does 50 damage normally and 100 with hl5 from the pact, weak would make it do 70
And not 85
tight basin
ngl i'm not entirely sure either lmao
all i know is whenever i get hit it's really just "ow let's not do that again"
never really paid attention to the number
vital night
Say an enemy does 50 damage normally and 100 with hl5 from the pact, weak would ...
this should be how it works
yeah idk, everything just one shots me now
i can take about 1 hit per room
vital night
32
analog mauve
time to hades
obsidian stump
im playing hades and i just got the nemi sword what are some good boons to look for same for duo and legendary
jolly chasm
Check 3rd pinned message in this channel for builds!
plain river
Which one applies first between added increased damage and multiplied reduced da...
I mean it doesn’t change anything in either order
the way it actually ends up playing out in game
Both are essentially multipliers
granite depot
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1269450385924423770/...
Is "damage reduction" the player's reduced damage taken, the enemy's reduced damage dealt, or the product of both?
plain river
Is "damage reduction" the player's reduced damage taken, the enemy's reduced dam...
Those are the same thing
The only difference is one is specific to an enemy under z condition
They all multiply together the same way
Like
If I had sturdy (30% damage reduction), and an enemy hits me while weakened (30% damage reduction), 70% damage taken * 70% damage taken = 49% damage taken
is that clear?
(And yes that means you only really need hypersprint and any aphrodite boon to take half as much damage as you would otherwise)
granite depot
That means that weak + sturdy is identical to weak + 30% abyssal blood from a damage perspective?
plain river
The only case that breaks this pattern is broken resolve boosting how much weaken reduces directly
granite depot
So e.g. weak + 20% broken resolve = 50% reduction?
plain river
afaik yes
granite depot
Okies, thank you!
lean mango
Is Sweet Surrender additive bonus to your damage against an enemy, or multiplier for all damage that enemy takes?
Weak-afflicted foes are also more susceptible to damage.
tight basin
Is Sweet Surrender additive bonus to your damage against an enemy, or multiplier...
it's additive
the only things that are multiplicative are movement speed, trap damage, and damage reduction
proper furnace
Is Sweet Surrender additive bonus to your damage against an enemy, or multiplier...
the main difference for that wording is that sweet also affects stuff like traps or summons
lean mango
the only things that are multiplicative are movement speed, trap damage, and dam...
crits and shared suffering are mult right?
i guess shared suffering isn't a bonus so that's not literal, but it's effectively 60% mult I think
tight basin
oh yeah crits too
i keep forgeting about crits
shared suffering is multi i believe too but not sure
lean mango
shared suffering is multi i believe too but not sure
it would be weird if it weren't
like they'd have to back-calculate out the original damage
tight basin
it's not really back calculating it's just using the base damage lmao
vital night
Yeah shared suffering is 60% of original damage
plain river
shared suffering is multi i believe too but not sure
It is
It’s dealing 60% of the initially hits damage (after damage calc) to everything affected by the buff
granite depot
Are backstab and +8trillion% against armour also additive with other % increases?
plain river
Are backstab and +8trillion% against armour also additive with other % increases...
Yea
The only things that aren’t additive in Hades are movespeed (and technically attack speed depending on the action in question), crit damage, trap damage and damage reduction really
oh and cluster bomb forgets to mention the -30% is to base damage but
granite depot
Could consider that damage reduction
lean mango
Are backstab and +8trillion% against armour also additive with other % increases...
A lot of the time when %vs armor procs, it's so much that other % buffs almost don't matter
granite depot
Dodge is also additive and can hit 100% right?
plain river
Dodge is also additive and can hit 100% right?
Yes
It can only hit 100% temporarily though
You’ll always need a buff to push it the last amount
proper furnace
Just get smair second wind
tight basin
It can only hit 100% temporarily though
You can get 100% permanently
It's just not realistic lmao
plain river
You can get 100% permanently
?
I feel like the total eligible encounters is <50 but maybe I’m crazy
tight basin
I remember calcing this before I don't remember the specifics lmao
Greater evasion is 20%, second wind is like 36% or something
Zag fists 15%
Pretty sure there was something else besides plume that gave dodge
lean mango
heroic evasion is 25
lean mango
is it possible to get 100% updtime from the call one?
because it goes for 10s, that's a long time
especially something like dio, where it's active for 1.5s, then feeds your call recharge with the DOT
assuming
15 fists
35 plume
20 greater ev
30 second wind
you'd have 100, unless its multaplicative
lucid oar
is it possible to get 100% updtime from the call one?
With smoldering air and 2 aether nets yes
lean mango
yeah, smoldering would be nuts if you were using dio call
jolly chasm
Or proud Bearing 
jolly chasm
yeah, smoldering would be nuts if you were using dio call
Just use Zeus
lean mango
yeah, at that point you don't even need damage from the call to feed the meter
in fact the biggest problem is probably accidentally getting up to 4 bars and greater calling, but if you have smoldering not a problem
the BIGGEST problem is I assume dodge doesn't affect the damage from running out of time
analog mauve
With smoldering air and 2 aether nets yes
you dont even need smair
analog mauve
the BIGGEST problem is I assume dodge doesn't affect the damage from running out...
also i think although you can get the dodge number above 100% the game caps it at 90% or something ( i could be wrong)
viscid dagger
The vast majority of games cap stuff like dodge chance though it's not really a secret
lean mango
given how difficult it is to achieve and the roguelike nature of the game, I don't really see a problem with allowing it
vital night
yeah, at that point you don't even need damage from the call to feed the meter
well, at that point its more like you don't need smair since the call charges itself
plain river
Greater evasion is 20%, second wind is like 36% or something
Ok well yeah if you take second wind into account
When I said permanently I should have said passively
analog mauve
i mean you can definitely get 100% dodge chance
didnt haelian get 100% dodge and still get hit
or smth like that
lucid oar
that was in early access
there are current videos of people not getting hit across hundreds of attacks
lucid oar
SetLifeProperty({ Property = "DodgeChance", Value = -1 * trait.AccumulatedDodgeBonus, ValueChangeType = "Add", DestinationId = CurrentRun.Hero.ObjectId, DataValue = false })
analog mauve
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mortal tide
im having trouble beating the "first" run. the closest i ever got to beating it was fighting hades but he beat my ass and i dont remember that build.
does anyone have tips?
viscid dagger
What weapon were you using
mortal tide
What weapon were you using
i have all weapons unlocked. last weapon i used was the bow but i have a preference for hands.
viscid dagger
Fists are really good, you gotta be careful when using dash attacks though, always keep in mind you lose iframes with dash attacks
With fists specifically it's very easy to mess up with those, using Athena's dash is extemeley helpful
analog mauve
im having trouble beating the "first" run. the closest i ever got to beating it ...
do you mean fresh file?
mortal tide
do you mean fresh file?
meaning: i went through 97 times and i still havent beaten hades yet.
analog mauve
oh
viscid dagger
Personally I really like building Zeus/Aphro on fists
You go Zeus attack/Aphro sepcial, aim for Zeus call, which can potentially give you a duo that makes call ridiculously strong
Add Athena somewhere so you get her dash
mortal tide
Personally I really like building Zeus/Aphro on fists
thinking of going back to magnetic cutter sincer im on demeters fists
viscid dagger
I like Demeter a lot more than Talos personally
The build above works well particularly with them
For Talos you probably want some attack boon that gives raw damage and maybe get 3-hit combo hammer (if possible)
mortal tide
sounds good. so whos keepsake should i aim for first in tartarus?
viscid dagger
In Tartarus you almost always want to use a keepsake from one of the gods
So it gives you a good core boon from the start
mortal tide
In Tartarus you almost always want to use a keepsake from one of the gods
thats what i was talkin about\
viscid dagger
Oh woops
mortal tide
so should i try aiming for athena first?
viscid dagger
If you're running Talos go for Aphro, if Demeter go for Zeus
You can add Athena later
mortal tide
ok
viscid dagger
If you get Hermes with Talos faster special should help
Personally I tend to get hit during special, it kinda slow
proper furnace
You should start zeus on talos anyways
also if you are getting hut during the special def use dem, talod has the slowest special
viscid dagger
Oh yeah you're right for Demeter, that should help, Talos special increases attack damage tho, personally had better results with raw damage instead of Zeus
proper furnace
Oh yeah you're right for Demeter, that should help, Talos special increases atta...
Additive dmg to your 15 base dmg punches ain't doing much
Epic aphro would be around the same as zeus attack
And zeus gives you aoe + jolted access
Talos bonus still makes me laugh
Could've been global at least
proper furnace
analog mauve
🤫
viscid dagger
Additive dmg to your 15 base dmg punches ain't doing much
Yeah, although weak could help with taking less damage at least, also if you get some hammer to boost attack it might be better but perhaps that's too much effort
Ig Zeus is just better overall
viscid dagger
One and only
mortal tide
Yeah, although weak could help with taking less damage at least, also if you get...
i didnt get aph's special. i got her cast, call and different league
proper furnace
And ig blizzard/cod
viscid dagger
i didnt get aph's special. i got her cast, call and different league
Aphro call kinda not awesome but cast is good to have
Even if you didn't get the boon you wanted, Aphro will keep showing up during your run so it's fine
mortal tide
good thing i took it then
viscid dagger
Believe me when I say you do NOT want to use Aphro's call on Hades
analog mauve
@mortal tide whats your mirror setup
mortal tide
<@302572483079438336> whats your mirror setup
bottom and 3rd from bottom are green everything els is purple. and the only one not maxed is door re-roll.
proper furnace
Stubborn gaming?
analog mauve
if youre dying to hades then switch to death defiance
with 2-3 defiances you will beat him
mortal tide
thats the thing...i have all those unlocked.
analog mauve
what
viscid dagger
You mean you're using death defiance?
mortal tide
yes
viscid dagger
Good just don't use stubborn defiance
analog mauve
i cant tell by color
mortal tide
So dark foresight/boons rerolls are on
One of the ones that I remember is family favorite is on
proper furnace
That's the 4th from bottom
mortal tide
That's the 4th from bottom
I might be forgetting positioning
It's either second from the bottom and fourth from the bottom or one and three
proper furnace
It'd be easier if you send a screenshot
mortal tide
It'd be easier if you send a screenshot
I can try later I'm not at my PC anymore
proper furnace
Or for reference just check the text guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players
Is pretty much the standard mirror
azure vale
Believe me when I say you do NOT want to use Aphro's call on Hades
why not? it’s good dmg
if you use it when he disappears it misses but that’s it
proper furnace
There are better calls for one
But idk if they meant that or bc it can lead to harder to time dodges
azure vale
oh yeah but it’s as if there’s like a negative with it which it isn’t
proper furnace
Cuz it interrupts his last option and then he just repeats it w/o wind up
analog mauve
brobably the latter
proper furnace
See: spins
azure vale
like why specifically hades ig
vital night
Because he does a bunch of damage
Getting randomly hit with an 80 damage swing with no windup hurts hard
And the call damage just sucks anyways
analog mauve
smair aphro call is fun
tight basin
And the call damage just sucks anyways
Aphro call is the same as meg damage isn't it
vital night
Aphro call is the same as meg damage isn't it
Yeah
mortal tide
It'd be easier if you send a screenshot
where do u want me to send it
proper furnace
where do u want me to send it
Here is fine
Tho you need to use embeds
So send to a private discord/bot then right click > copy link
mortal tide
okay lemie give up this un then rq
mortal tide
proper furnace
Swap shadow/favor/authority
mortal tide
okay!
plain river
why not? it’s good dmg
If you think it’s good damage you should see zeus and dio call
mortal tide
Swap shadow/favor/authority
what should i do when the rng wont rng
proper furnace
Rng better ofc
But also it depends, cuz there may be some slight improvements you can do
What were you going for/what did you not get
mortal tide
But also it depends, cuz there may be some slight improvements you can do
room 1, the one room you always start in
ok?
get zeus:
proper furnace
Oh did you fail to get your starting boon
mortal tide
hold on
mortal tide
Oh did you fail to get your starting boon
is it only 5 gods u get per run or 3?
proper furnace
is it only 5 gods u get per run or 3?
4 + hermes
mortal tide
4 + hermes
i think i just need to die for the rng to rng
i thought giving up was supposed to give me a new rng
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1149830080013549620/1269836554923413504/image.png?ex=66b182f3&is=66b03173&hm=add0049fa37a4941fc85e0df14696f34d2082ea8e377b7b33277b365beb2fc54& not the same for 4 heckin runs
jolly chasm
Did you press give up?
mortal tide
yes
jolly chasm
Give up does not reset the seed, you need to actually die
mortal tide
ok
mortal tide
did i get pinged
yea but i didnt wanna wait so i deeted my messages and just did what i was asking if i should do
worn solar
just go nvm lol
mortal tide
you dont have to delete your messages, it just makes it even more confusing lol
i got time for this. athena for dash or zeus for call? trying to get smoldering air for the zeus/aphro build
analog mauve
what weapon and aspect
mortal tide
what weapon and aspect
demeters fists
mortal tide
You go Zeus attack/Aphro sepcial, aim for Zeus call, which can potentially give ...
was recommended this build
worn solar
Do you have static discharge, which god keepsake do you have and was it used already and is athena already in your pool or not
mortal tide
Do you have static discharge, which god keepsake do you have and was it used alr...
athena is already in my pool, have aph's keepsake, yes already used (got her special) no i dont have static discharge\
worn solar
Static discharge is very important for damage output and getting it earlier is better since you want to get poms on it, and then you also want zeus call so the more zeus the better, athena you can just pick up later since you only need her dash. If you have 3 gods in your god pool then make sure to buy a 4th in the next shop if charon has one
No static discharge either?
mortal tide
nope got that so im taking it
potent tree
Automatic fist launcher
trim canopy
anyone else read "megaera" as "margera" (bam margera) every time?
trim canopy
in a achielles spear tidal dash/artemis/aphrodite heartbreak flourish build, wot would u pom after tidal dash is at like 5
arty on attack
proper furnace
in a achielles spear tidal dash/artemis/aphrodite heartbreak flourish build, wot...
hunter's mark if you get it or maybe some poms in shoals if it shows up
otherwise I'd just slap more poms on dash lol
or cast if you have one
at this point you only want more global dmg or chaos atk
trim canopy
arty on attack.
and flood shot cast.
no hunters mark yet
so just keep pomming dash or pom attack at all?
analog mauve
attack can take like 1 pom
the thing about arty attack
each pom adds like 2-5% max
basically nothing
lucid oar
pom the cast
cursive sedge
My favorite build is aphro's epic attack pommed at least once. A dash with a curse effect for PS. Either plain Arthur or flurry shot zag bow (only for the crits and all). I'm trying to find what suits me with the other weapons tho
I could list a Zeus rail tho I'm still not sure about it.
mortal tide
i think at this point i should just restart fresh if i havent escaped my first time in over 99 attempts https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1149830080013549620/1270198798412677203/image.png?ex=66b2d450&is=66b182d0&hm=f1731fe9a89118ca79521315939ddf6016b51034204460bb6cb8b39e4277a395&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
potent tree
Maybe, but you might just be missing some fundamentals. Are you Dash-Striking with most weapons except to dodge (Dashes give iframes, but Dash-Strikes do not)? Are you putting %-based boons on slower, harder-hitting weapons and Zeus on faster weapons? Which options have you unlocked and selected from the mirror?
mortal tide
Swap shadow/favor/authority
look at this and the picture above
mortal tide
Maybe, but you might just be missing some fundamentals. Are you Dash-Striking wi...
dashing yes, zeus and aphrodite on fists with demeter aspect
potent tree
Fists are maybe not the easiest to get your first clear with
worn solar
dashing yes, zeus and aphrodite on fists with demeter aspect
Are you just exclusively spamming dash strikes tho because that just means no iframes
potent tree
You're not spamming the Attack button to attack, are you?
mortal tide
You're not spamming the Attack button to attack, are you?
no i use it and my special and also try to use my casts but i forget about my casts
mortal tide
Are you just exclusively spamming dash strikes tho because that just means no if...
no
potent tree
Are you able to record your runs? AMD drivers on PC have built-in recording. Nvidia probably has similar
mortal tide
i try to go for thenas dash or a dash that does damage
mortal tide
Are you able to record your runs? AMD drivers on PC have built-in recording. Nv...
i can try recording my next run
or just starting the recording rn
potent tree
Awesome. It sounds like you're doing a lot of stuff well, but videos are worth a thousand pictures
mortal tide
Awesome. It *sounds* like you're doing a lot of stuff well, but videos are worth...
a little under 2 gigs in size
ndeed edward
plain river
a little under 2 gigs in size
3 hour long video much?
mortal tide
~~3 hour long video much?~~
actually, around 30 minutes
tight basin
i think at this point i should just restart fresh if i havent escaped my first t...
i mean reseting doesn't really do anything for you other than give you a lower number when you do clear for the first time lmao
bc with a new save you'll have less resources starting out
and also not as far into the story so some stuff might take a while
better to just keep on working on the save
mortal tide
Awesome. It *sounds* like you're doing a lot of stuff well, but videos are worth...
here is your video of my 100th run where i died to the bone hydra https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I1DmFwocMYTsdQHOK63F31rKeWA1_y9Z/view?usp=sharing
plain river
i think at this point i should just restart fresh if i havent escaped my first t...
what value will you actually gain from starting a new save file?
potent tree
Access Denied 🙅
plain river
It’s just going to make you have a rough few runs till you work your way back to the same resources
potent tree
You need to change file permissions
mortal tide
Access Denied 🙅
Okay hold on I will let you know
mortal tide
You need to change file permissions
How about now
potent tree
It's processing at the moment
analog mauve
i think at this point i should just restart fresh if i havent escaped my first t...
it took me a similar number of attempts dont worry
mortal tide
SWEET HADES IHAD 11 HP WHEN I DOWNED LERNIE WITH NO DD'S and the adamant rail
jolly chasm
Yooo we can watch the vid
mortal tide
PATROCLES FOR THE WIN!! my god, he came in clutch with the kis of styx premium
jolly chasm
Did you get the w?
potent tree
Seeing an issue within the first min: need to be way more deliberate with dashes. Dashes are a bit chaotic at the moment
mortal tide
not yet but im close.
potent tree
gasp you missed a gold urn 
mortal tide
Seeing an issue within the first min: need to be way more deliberate with dashes...
im tryna stay outta damage
lean mango
*gasp* you missed a gold urn <:shadefear:520448085151842318>
is that a problem? i've done 32 heat and i miss urns all the time since im a moron
luckily being a moron doesn't stop you from winning
mortal tide
*gasp* you missed a gold urn <:shadefear:520448085151842318>
i shall look for it next time
potent tree
You're repeatedly dashing into spikes, dashing when you're not about to be hit, etc. and thereby putting your dashes into CD when enemies are about to attack
You're taking lots of hits while dash is on CD
analog mauve
Also using the special is hurting you
THe special sucks don't use it unless it is fully charged
jolly chasm
Using dashupper is almost always better
potent tree
By the third combat or so I'm seeing that you really need better movement in general. You're dashing toward completely empty spaces and having to run toward your next target, etc.
mortal tide
i hate this butteflY ball. I HAD 4 DEATH DEFIANCES AND IM DOWN TO1
potent tree
Butterfly ball is DPS race
lean mango
yeah, he's oof, some builds he is a total PITA, some ranged dps builds barely even notice him
mortal tide
😞 i wasted 4 death saves on that damn room
analog mauve
Do you have meg summon yet
mortal tide
nope
analog mauve
Ngl i died in bball room with hera like thrice in a day last week
jolly chasm
If only there was a way to make Hera do more damage 
potent tree
@mortal tide, my recommendation to you is to play a bit without attacking. Just try to read your enemies for a while and dodge their attacks when necessary. Maybe punch them once just to practice positioning for efficient attacking, but try just playing keepaway for a bit. Your movement is getting you hurt so, so much
tight basin
is that a problem? i've done 32 heat and i miss urns all the time since im a mor...
i mean you ideally get every urn lmao it's free money
plenty of times when you go into a shop and you're barely short
lean mango
Butterfly ball is annoying until you unlock some later game bonus stuff to be honest
but with some practice totally beatable without that stuff. Probably harder with fists than many builds though.
analog mauve
You need to dash strike more and standing attack less
mortal tide
Butterfly ball is annoying until you unlock some later game bonus stuff to be ho...
nah. hardest with exagryph
tight basin
it's annoying until you get that or you have an armor breaking hammer (that's actually good) lmao
jolly chasm
i mean you ideally get every urn lmao it's free money
plenty of times when you g...
The number of times on Beo I have walked into a shop with 149 gold and there was an Arty there should be illegal
tight basin
nah. hardest with exagryph
depends on hammers and build generally
like fists can suck
lean mango
yeah, armor breaking abilities are huge against minibosses, but especially hard DPS checks like butterfly ball
tight basin
or be one of the best if you get breaching cross hammer lmao
potent tree
Exagryph is just ranged fists that you gotta reload
tight basin
bow kinda sucks, rail depends on if your dps is actually good
analog mauve
If only there was a way to make Hera do more damage <:thanthink:6692460041425387...
Nah i just get stunlocked
mortal tide
was actually doing good on the ball with fists. I LOST 4 DDS TO IT WITH THE RAIL
potent tree
We need the Shackle GIF to demonstrate movement
tight basin
was actually doing good on the ball with fists. I LOST 4 DDS TO IT WITH THE RAIL
well you lost how many DDs to it just now on fists lmao
potent tree
mortal tide
well you lost how many DDs to it just now on fists lmao
idk because im playing with rail
tight basin
either way, how fast you clear bball without late game stuff just depends on your build
rail can be really fast
fists can be slow as hell
literally just depends on what you have lmao
analog mauve
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/...
Ew disgusting weapon
Rail generally faster because it's just stronger than fists
lean mango
i think i've got some pretty high dps on rail with zeus on attack and... iunno whatever buffs your damage on special
potent tree
literally just depends on what you have lmao
Bananas, watch Tow's video with us: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I1DmFwocMYTsdQHOK63F31rKeWA1_y9Z/view
I'm thinking movement is a huuuuuge issue rn
lean mango
the lightning from attack can also really help with soul jars depending on position
tight basin
Rail generally faster because it's just stronger than fists
assuming no summon, fists can be faster literally bc of breaching cross lmao
lean mango
yeah but if you have breaching cross you're probably not posting a vid about hte butterfly ball killing you
tight basin
true but the point i was making is that how fast bball dies depends on the build
mortal tide
i died at bone hydra when i did the video. bball is my 101 attempt ru
lean mango
have you beaten the heroes before?
lean mango
true but the point i was making is that how fast bball dies depends on the build
most of the time i use meg to clear armor, but when i have breaching i always clear armor with punch then have her do cleanup
tight basin
Bananas, watch Tow's video with us: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I1DmFwocMYT...
yeah def movement, he kinda just looks lost and i'm barely in through the vid lmao
also trying to make use of draining cutter/special too much is hurting the movement and fluidity of combat a lot
esp since most of the specials are standing instead of dupper
mortal tide
have you beaten the heroes before?
A few times
I would usually try to focus on the bull before going to theseus
tight basin
and yeah using the special way too many times, it's just hella slow and not good for dps
mortal tide
and yeah using the special way too many times, it's just hella slow and not good...
In that case it just looks like I'm spamming attack
tight basin
that's better than spamming special
analog mauve
It's fists ur supposed to spam attack
mortal tide
that's better than spamming special
I'm using the special to get rid of the lower hp enemies since it's basically a one hit kill before using fists on the higher HP one
analog mauve
And that's how you get hit
lean mango
I would usually try to focus on the bull before going to theseus
me too
yeah if you have beaten heroes you definitely possess the skills necessary to finish a run
just focus on a few of the key advices these players give and of course learning the last bosses patterns can take a few showdowns against them
potent tree
Yeah. For now just take it very slow and try to take as few hits as possible. Don't worry about doing damage: you need to unlearn some bad habits first
tight basin
I'm using the special to get rid of the lower hp enemies since it's basically a ...
you dont need to use the special to kill them even if you do have draining cutter
you're better off just punching them bc you're able to maintain movement and not get smacked
analog mauve
It's slower than attack even if it is 1 hit
mortal tide
It's slower than attack even if it is 1 hit
Before I had Demeter's aspect I was using Talos because it will allow me to pull enemies to me and then kill them instead of having to move closer
tight basin
also in the tartarus doomstone miniboss you're spamming specials lmao
tight basin
Before I had Demeter's aspect I was using Talos because it will allow me to pull...
that's still slower than smacking things with your attack lmao
analog mauve
Before I had Demeter's aspect I was using Talos because it will allow me to pull...
Nah with talos ur better off never using the special
tight basin
also that
potent tree
@mortal tide, here's how an okay player moves using the sword: https://youtu.be/oE3yatVV32A
Is relevant because movement is roughly similar between most weapons
tight basin
if you want to pull things it's better to cancel the special by dashing after you pull them closer to you
(and it still underperforms demeter lmao)
tight basin
<@302572483079438336>, here's how an *okay* player moves using the sword: https:...
10:40 is a pretty banging time tbf
realistically speaking it's a lot better than most people lmao it's only considered "okay" here bc most of us are speed/heat degens
the thing is with movement tho, you kinda just learn that from playing more
and try not to build bad habits bc you wanna learn from your mistakes
mortal tide
You're not spamming the Attack button to attack, are you?
You literally said that it's bad to spam the attack button
potent tree
Yes, on fists you just want to hold down the Attack button
mortal tide
Yes, on fists you just want to hold down the Attack button
Ok
potent tree
Were you to mash the button instead...well, that would make life hard for your fingers
tight basin
technically the gameplay would be the same tho lmao
but yeah ideally you hold down attack, get the full 5 punch combo off, then dash/dash attack and repeat
jolly chasm
Bright01 has entered the chat
tight basin
unless you're doing ME then you spam dash strikes
where's bright
oh did he spam the atk button lmao
analog mauve
<@302572483079438336>, here's how an *okay* player moves using the sword: https:...
Holy moly packrat gameplay
It's been so long
potent tree
It's old video! I only ever recorded two runs LOL
analog mauve
tight basin
packrat sub6 when
jolly chasm
Packrat sub 5 when
tight basin
edward sub5 when
potent tree
Never: am too physically unwell for that level of gameplay LOL
I wish jazz was here to say anybody can sub 6 LOL
tight basin
lmfao
bro just sub6 it's super easy
step 1: go to the courtyard
step 2: pick beo
step 3: start the run
step 4: get sub6
jolly chasm
I wish jazz was here to say anybody can sub 6 LOL
Anybody can
With like 600 hours of effort, but that is beside the point!
tight basin
so true bestie
tight basin
although i think i got my sub6 at like 300 or 400 hours lmao
weird how sub6 was the only like major achievement in the game i actually grinded hard for lmao
"hard" at least
jolly chasm
I did like 600 hours of unmodded beo grinding for sub 6, then got a 6:22 and tried modded and never looked back lmao
tight basin
so you did 600 hours of it first to test it
i dont even have 600 yet lmao
i'm at like 530 or something
and i've stopped playing for a while
jolly chasm
Apparently Zyru is at like 5000 or something insane
tight basin
jesus
jolly chasm
I'm at 900 or so
tight basin
gamers
jolly chasm
Vor has like 4.5k and Haelian has like 3.5k
tight basin
I should push heat again but that takes a lot of time lmao
jolly chasm
It could, but barely
I could not run Spotify in the background or the game would crash lmao
tight basin
Oh bruh lmao
jolly chasm
Livesplit lagged the game too much to run it
tight basin
What kind of potato are you running lmao
jolly chasm
I got a new computer
Thankfully
I'm however still pissed I got that 5:11 when I was both "bad" at the weapon and could not record
If I got that seed now, it would prob be like a 4:4x
jolly chasm
Yeah, hopefully I can get another seed like that
tight basin
Just cheat it in duh
jolly chasm
Damn you right, I don't know why I had not thought of that before
tight basin
Guarantee cshot start and arty second god
jolly chasm
Just play hypermodded fr
tight basin
Literally true
trim canopy
when would y'all take hades sigil vs acorn into styx running ME demeter fists?
trim canopy
ok. and i am not speedrunning lol just following some guides that are primarly for speedrunning...which...may not be the best idea.
i'm on attempt 125 and just discovered that getting keys during run replenishes rerolls ;-|
analog mauve
ok. and i am not speedrunning lol just following some guides that are primarly f...
id rather use the guide in pins, although i think you already do iirc
proper furnace
i'm on attempt 125 and just discovered that getting keys during run replenishes ...
night swallow
i'm on attempt 125 and just discovered that getting keys during run replenishes ...
amazing
proper furnace
As in you saw the upgrade in the contractor or you forgot you had it
trim canopy
had wot
analog mauve
its a contractor upgrade
trim canopy
ok
proper furnace
Is unlocked after you get the deluxe desk
Along with the other meta currencies upgrades
trim canopy
as far as the guides in the pins, i use leereamsnyders guide a TON, other than that, i haven't scrolled through the giant confusing list in of pin posts to find other guides.
analog mauve
That's the one I'm talking about yeah
I haven't opened it in a while so idk how current me would rate it but i used it a ton when I was starting out
proper furnace
Is always a decent guide yeah
Also good for learning about god pool and stuff like that (tho tbf, you are likely to have learned it from here too lol)
mortal tide
i'm on attempt 125 and just discovered that getting keys during run replenishes ...
getting cthonic keys replenishes your rerolls?! THIS WOULDA BEEN SO NICE TO KNOW BEFORE I SAVED THEM BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WERE PER RUN!
proper furnace
getting cthonic keys replenishes your rerolls?! THIS WOULDA BEEN SO NICE TO KNOW...
The mirror gives you starting rerolls/fated keys upgrade makes the keys give you dice
mortal tide
The mirror gives you starting rerolls/fated keys upgrade makes the keys give you...
where do i get the upgrade
mortal tide
Locked behind deluxe desk
ok
trim canopy
If I have Fated Persuasion maxed at 4, then theoretically I can get up to 8 rerolls per run, is that correct?
AI says yes, 8 max 🙂
super brainfarted, loaded game file, forgot which biome is next because i'm in between. chamber 37....so...i'd be going into elysium i believe..
proper furnace
If I have Fated Persuasion maxed at 4, then theoretically I can get up to 8 rero...
What?
floral wadi
I
I read on the wiki that Aspect of Gilgamesh gives 2 extra dashes?
floral wadi
so I have 2 normal and 2 small or are all of them small
analog mauve
all of them are the same
tight basin
when would y'all take hades sigil vs acorn into styx running ME demeter fists?
You'd take ME if you're not worried about dying bc it's a lot of damage so it's used a lot for Speedrunning. Otherwise just take acorn lmao
Yeah all small
floral wadi
The dashes are shorter but yeah
I see this as a good thing because I keep dashing into the lava lpl
tight basin
Now you'll have more dashes to dash into magma lmao
analog mauve
You'd take ME if you're not worried about dying bc it's a lot of damage so it's ...
i died to hades with ME gilgamesh and acorn, how do you explain that
tight basin
Bc you're doing 50 heat
analog mauve
okay
floral wadi
Now you'll have more dashes to dash into magma lmao
I like spamming dash attack to pretend I'm doing a combo
analog mauve
I see this as a good thing because I keep dashing into the lava lpl
its actually very unintuitive and throws you off
i die in lava a lot with gilga actually
but i just die with gilga usually
gilga issue
floral wadi
I wanna get dash boons and do dashillions of damage
analog mauve
floral wadi
but i just die with gilga usually
at least it's not Guan Yu
analog mauve
guan yu actually goated
jolly chasm
Guan Yu is pretty good if you know how to build it
analog mauve
actually i should play guan yu after i do talos 50 for talos week
floral wadi
Guan Yu is pretty good if you know how to build it
I I don't know how lmao any tips?
analog mauve
step 1. get charged skewer
step 2. repeat step 1 until successful
its a hammer yes
floral wadi
step 1. get charged skewer
I told myself that when I try to get rocket shotgun rail
jolly chasm
Clockets :)
floral wadi
I wish we could rerolled hammers
jolly chasm
Just play hypermodded smh
proper furnace
Just cheat
jolly chasm
What do you mean you don't use codex mod for every one of your runs? It's a free win dude
tight basin
at least it's not Guan Yu
It cleared 64 heat modded lmao
mortal tide
@analog mauve@proper furnace@potent tree just refound the administrative chamber. can y'all look at my "builds" from when i died in styx and tell me what i did right/wrong? uploading a vid rn.
i had 2 runs where i died to hades and they were back to back so i must've done something right.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_3OSCYjnIlQe8oZvzlEGpKrnFkuEwUek/view?usp=sharing started around attempt 70 i think
mortal tide
@jolly chasm
worn solar
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_3OSCYjnIlQe8oZvzlEGpKrnFkuEwUek/view?usp=shari...
Death logs doesnt really tell a lot, you already got your mirror fixed up and got told what to build right
mortal tide
Death logs doesnt really tell a lot, you already got your mirror fixed up and g...
gives me an idea now that my mirror is built right because this was long before my mirror was "maxed" and built right or before i knew about builds
worn solar
Yeah but you already got told what boons and build yo go for right? So what else are we supposed to say from those
If you want advice we'd need to see actual decisions not where you ended up
analog mauve
its less of the decision making its more of the actual button pressing you have a problem with
mortal tide
its less of the decision making its more of the actual button pressing you have ...
what did i do right, was i in a build unknowingly??
worn solar
You have fine boons and fine hammers
analog mauve
yeah
worn solar
Thats it really
analog mauve
dont take ares aid
worn solar
Well yeah that one sucks
analog mauve
but yeah any build can work if your mechanics and general movement are decent
mortal tide
dont take ares aid
THIS! THIS IS WHAT I WANTED! what else.
worn solar
thats it really, like you want merciful end but like you already know that
mortal tide
its just not super optimal
then help me make it so.
analog mauve
you dont need a super optimal build to clear
thats for speedrunnners
you seem to be building in the right direction just keep at it
worn solar
You cant really skill your way to guarantee an epic rush delivery impending doom merciful end build
jolly chasm
Try to put as many poms as you can on doom
mortal tide
used very few specials because under a chaos boon, still trying to work on movement (had aphs dash to weaken which is why i was dashing so much), feel like i couldve killed em without a dd if i dashed towards the arrow...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1imZg01xZT5Dwo5PHJ5E4HZ2RCOwPiOj7/view?usp=sharing
@potent tree
am i improving at all?
potent tree
ACCESS HECKING DENIED
mortal tide
forgot sry
potent tree
No problem 
mortal tide
No problem <:shadethumbsup:1150926794187354162>
how bout now
potent tree
I like how you pinged me instead of the much better players LOL. Gimme a moment to watch
mortal tide
I like how you pinged me instead of the much better players LOL. Gimme a moment ...
idk who the better players are
analog mauve
its me by a mile
mortal tide
its me by a mile
gtk
analog mauve
i was kidding
potent tree
Thanks, Edward77! @mortal tide, your movement is much less chaotic, which is good. I'd advise you to start playing a little less passively: as you learn enemy patterns, you'll know when you can get away with Dash-Striking (a loooot of weapons want to Dash-Strike like all the time). Also, try to Dash through attacks instead of away from them if you can. You'll slowly want to learn to be more and more aggressive since killing enemies quickly is by far the safest way to play
mortal tide
Thanks, Edward77! <@302572483079438336>, your movement is much less chaotic, whi...
im in elysium rn so, do u want me record the whole run from where i am or just the "bbeg" fight
potent tree
If you feel like your play is changing significantly, go ahead and record
Oh, but do still try to avoid damage whenever possible. It's always good to learn enemy patterns
worn solar
used very few specials because under a chaos boon, still trying to work on movem...
Tbh youre kinda not attacking when lernie is doing nothing then deciding to attack once he's about to launch and attack. Especially after lernie does a slam you get a good window to wack him. You can generally be safe from lernies projectile attacks by being above him or by standing behind a pillar instead of running back and forth between them. A lot of the issue is not doing damage effectively causing the fight to be pronlonged. You want to include dash strikes to do damage well. If you just hold attack zag will stop attacking after every couple hits, dash striking adds more damage and resets the combo, when closing the gap to hit stuff you want to dash strike to do extra damage
analog mauve
just watch a fists speedrun
for mechanics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn_j-wAuyOo first vid when i googled 'fists speedrun' i havent watched it at all tho
wow thats olddd
actually thats very misleading
id share a heat run but thats a lot of spoilers
oh this is already EM spoilers
worn solar
used very few specials because under a chaos boon, still trying to work on movem...
https://streamable.com/bzuyrm like watch how I fight lernie. I have an unpommed epic zeus attack (so like equiv to a lvl 2 common attack or something), unpommed common jolted, and ddash. Not anything crazy but I can phase lernie in the amount of time he does like one or two attacks. I dodge most attacks but even if I had tanked them it wouldnt be a lot of damage. Since I fully capitialized on dps openings and increase my dps using my cast and dash strikes lernie just melts without being able to do much.
analog mauve
no way fo0 is that slow??
vital night
no way fo0 is that slow??
same thoughts here, but yeah
worn solar
https://streamable.com/bzuyrm like watch how I fight lernie. I have an unpommed ...
also if you have trouble dash striking I'd rebind dash to a shoulder button
jolly chasm
My god, you have so much time to react on fo0
worn solar
just dodge a second time
jolly chasm
The speedrun would be really fast at least
analog mauve
didnt mystera beat like 86 heat with fo4 bp4 cp6
jolly chasm
Sounds like something they would do
worn solar
are they even human
proper furnace
worn solar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/1170080838625546420/im...
Not even overtime
Fo4 is time save since enemies run at you faster and jolted procs more often tho 🧠
Also bp4 ely
jolly chasm
Enemies do 3x damage
worn solar
Theyre also all bruiser speeder
jolly chasm
They used both Charged shot and Splitting bolt wtf
analog mauve
had to find this among an actual sea of 64 clears
like
pages and pages of them
with every special boon, with only a special boon, withOUT hammer
jolly chasm
Yeah, they are fairly good at the game
analog mauve
yeah
mortal tide
which is of more importance to the build? the duo or aphs special?
analog mauve
in 99% of contexts the answer is neither
mortal tide
i have her dash rn since thena hasnt been appearing
mortal tide
in 99% of contexts the answer is neither
zeus/aph build on demeter fists
analog mauve
🤔 whats a zeus aphro build
jolly chasm
Smair
jolly chasm
Or zap fists sometimes go for special, but Arty is better for both rod and damage
mortal tide
🤔 whats a zeus aphro build
zeus atk, aph special, zeus call smoldering air duo
jolly chasm
What call do you have with Smair
proper furnace
Or zap fists sometimes go for special, but Arty is better for both rod and damag...
You go for rod over smair?
mortal tide
i was recommended this
mortal tide
What call do you have with Smair
2who tf is that
jolly chasm
smoldering air
analog mauve
smouldering air
mortal tide
smoldering air
zeus
analog mauve
when playing fists i just go for jolt and divine dash and thats it
just poms
and hp
im playing fists rn infact
mortal tide
when playing fists i just go for jolt and divine dash and thats it
i need jolt aswell.
f it
analog mauve
id stream if i could
mortal tide
id stream if i could
wb dm call?
analog mauve
nah
mortal tide
ok
worn solar
If you want consistency then youre prob better off just ignoring smair and aphro and just going for zeus attack + jolted + ddash
analog mauve
If you want consistency then youre prob better off just ignoring smair and aphro...
literally me
midshop or eury 🤔 with 450 cash
@everyone
analog mauve
thats entering asph
analog mauve
i took midshop and got jolted
vital night
Yep
analog mauve
wtf overrated
mortal tide
I KILLED LERNIE WITH 1 HP AND NO DEATH DEFS!
analog mauve
nice
vital night
Real
proper furnace
Just a patty away now
analog mauve
you cant stunlock speeder greatshields 🙂
vital night
You can’t stunlock speedy fo2
analog mauve
they attack so fast they unstagger inbetween fist punches
vital night
Yeah
analog mauve
they attack so fast they unstagger inbetween fist punches
a default feature built into swordmen
worn solar
i really just lava'd my sd after losing it already. At least it was tooth and not dead
maybe rerolling chaos into minus dash distance was a bad idea
analog mauve
i just got c1 lightning strike -> c2 erebus rare jolt -> midboss athena ddash
watch me choke
yeah i forgot to change keepsake into aspho
worn solar
i hate c12 infinite unarmored trickle witches kill me
hmmmm patty check, jolted check, pommed rare tdash check, surely i dont throw zag sword 50
analog mauve
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> hmmmm patty check, jolted check, pommed rare tdash ...
whats a patty
worn solar
Ofc the moment i said that i got dogpiled by an armored chariot and its babies and lost my sd how even do you deal with these things on sword
proper furnace
@crisp agate Actually just check the pins here for the site that lists builds
It also has stuff like mirror or how the god pool works
crisp agate
cool
crisp agate
<@734200548710023209> Actually just check the pins here for the site that lists ...
im already using the site
proper furnace
Oh lol
crisp agate
Oh lol
can you tell me which aspect on which weapon is the best so I can use that one?
just any weapon/aspect
your favorite if u want
worn solar
play big chop
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1270540497638789251/image.png?ex=66b4128c&is=66b2c10c&hm=6b5221503a8c8d9469384f07eecabd634352210561500abb3b4a49eb067adabd& I tried chop like 4 times and got skill issued trolled by rng then moment I switch to dedge smh look what happens
worn solar
Also this pact is optimal trustge
worn solar
dedge lightning
I start tdash cuz im built diff
proper furnace
can you tell me which aspect on which weapon is the best so I can use that one?
Sword - nem
Spear - achilles
Shield - zeus/beowulf
Bow - hera/rama
Fists - dem
Rail - eris/hestia
proper furnace
For sword I like pos slightly more
crisp agate
Sword - nem
Spear - achilles
Shield - zeus/beowulf
Bow - hera/rama
Fists - dem
R...
okie dokie
worn solar
im literally going into dad with 326/395 hp and patty, theres no way i throw right
I havent fought him in like a week
Nvm shop pom hit jolted and boon gave me ruptured
nvm im garbage wtf
jolly chasm
Did you lose
worn solar
Did you lose
i mightve slided off him into the laser and died
worn solar
No i switched to modded
worn solar
Maybe world splitter is the true way
Also itd be nice if my laptop wasnt randomly stuttering
analog mauve
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194348940234063965/1264736539137806428/image.png?ex=66b40d30&is=66b2bbb0&hm=2a171be1571e8dbe77cf415a3529298fb30ee74e28eb6d1684a0ea00247d7673& this was my zagsword
first attempt
400 hp and weak, i tanked 1k equivalent dmg ffrom hades
worn solar
How do i get meself heroic aphro attack
worn solar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1270549337134600212/image.png?ex=66b41ac7&is=66b2c947&hm=af87cd56390d15c6bdfb77555cc983d321331e65af050b06d9a7021b84e2296b& instructions unclear I have nothing
proper furnace
what is this soup bro
worn solar
analog mauve
free curse, dont dash
floral wadi
Could I theoretical two shot Hades with Aspect of beowulf if I use the cooldown cast and wait until I load a bajillion?
proper furnace
Could I theoretical two shot Hades with Aspect of beowulf if I use the cooldown ...
need to shoot the cast to start another reload
but also, beowulf can def do that without something like that lmao
jolly chasm
Beo can one shot dad phases
Here is an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idm4pO4lke0
floral wadi
Here is an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idm4pO4lke0
How does he get the cast back instantly
jolly chasm
It's how Beo works with infernal soul
proper furnace
Here is an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idm4pO4lke0
lmfao the gyro drop
proper furnace
How does he get the cast back instantly
beo doesn't lodge casts
trippy still stays on field and is why is the only one that uses stygian
floral wadi
beo doesn't lodge casts
bruh
jolly chasm
It one of the reasons it so busted
floral wadi
I'll be right back lemme get 15 titan blood
proper furnace
even at lvl 1 works
lvls only increase the bullrush dmg/aoe
still nice but not really needed for the nuke
floral wadi
Poseidon already was goofy with the bomb rotation but this is something else
jolly chasm
lmfao the gyro drop
Best part of the song fr (I think this is about the song lmao)
proper furnace
Best part of the song fr (I think this is about the song lmao)
jolly chasm
Imagine being a literal god, a being capable of fighting the most powerful things in your universe and you get turned into a fing sandwich by your son
floral wadi
the only thing that's equally goofy is rocket shotgun but that requires more rng
jolly chasm
Wait til you here about Hera lmao
floral wadi
Wait til you here about Hera lmao
the bow aspect?
jolly chasm
Ye
floral wadi
I exclusively use ares doom builds with the bow nothing else
potent tree
Hera is a tactical Cast launcher!
floral wadi
Hera is a tactical Cast launcher!
doesn't hera still allow casts to lodge?
proper furnace
Yesn't
jolly chasm
Any wallbuggers in chat
proper furnace
Shoot aphro's cast at certain angles and they just won't lodge
Let me get jazz's vid
floral wadi
Shoot aphro's cast at certain angles and they just won't lodge
that requires far too much skill
proper furnace
that requires far too much skill
Is pretty much have him by wall and start shooting
jolly chasm
Suggest slowing down the vid
I have played this game too much; I don't need to :Croven:
Speaking of Croven https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSPh_y1BPPA
This is a goated hera run
trim canopy
the more i play (only on run 127) the more i actually like asterius. kind of feel sorry for him. he just gets bullied. no pun attended.
trim canopy
i'm confused about whether or not battie can be used against hades and if so, when? are these conditions accurate?
7 hearts with one of the following: Megaera, Thanatos, Dusa, or Achilles
7 hearts with another of those, or with Skelly or Sisyphus
4 hearts with Hades
Need permission from dad to use any of his workers against him
trim canopy
ok, shady it is for now!
unreal tree
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1270521079663956062/i...
this is cursed
mortal tide
i made it to styx and im about to go into the fight with hades. should i hold off and go for the coin room thats left and try buying both the anvil and pom or should i just decide on whether to buy the anvil or the pom?
@potent tree
potent tree
Don't buy Anvil unless you have nothing to lose. It can go very, very badly sometimes
mortal tide
ok
worn solar
i made it to styx and im about to go into the fight with hades. should i hold of...
Ideally you would show a screenshot of your boons and the doors because otherwise we have very little to go from
lean mango
so whats the criteria to trigger stacks from dio ultimate? can only get it up to 2 or 3 against hades and i think it's supposed to go to 5
or is 1 bar not enough to do 5 stacks
(my strat is to trigger it standing beside him, then attack/dash around him until it runs out)
plain river
so whats the criteria to trigger stacks from dio ultimate? can only get it up to...
One mini-call does 6 stacks
it’ll prok 6 times so if you’re getting less you’re either using it too early or too late or missing a few for some other reasons
lean mango
ok, so even dashing out then back in once is enough to lose a lot of stacks
plain river
Try dashing to the other side of Hades if he’s winding up for anything other than a spin move
Instead of away
or like a diagonal in his direction
plain river
so whats the criteria to trigger stacks from dio ultimate? can only get it up to...
It will only go up to 5 without low tolerance 👍
lean mango
theres spin, darkness and skull right?
plain river
I mean
He gets some more moves in phase 2
but yeah for phase 1 that’s pretty much what you’re looking at
lean mango
my problem is im like
dad can you do something other than spin attack
and he's like
that's my secret, they're all spin attacks
then i take 60 damage
plain river
He can also lunge at you
Then for phase 2 you can dash around him /hug him while he lasers, or sneak in inbetween his attacks
lean mango
yeah, i think one of my weaknesses is that i've almost never done melee above 10 heat
so then i do 32 heat with hera and try 10heat with gilgamesh and get rolled
especially against em3 mino and dad
jolly chasm
Well it is gilga
lean mango
yeah i read that its more dangerous
still, its humbling to drop the heat down by 20 and lose
umbral ibex
What’s a good spear build?
plain river
What’s a good spear build?
Depends on which spear
umbral ibex
Depends on which spear
Any aspect, I just suck at it.
analog mauve
get flurry jab and win
jolly chasm
(on Zag and Achilles)
worn solar
Flurry jab, tdash, zeus attack and static discharge, dash into things faces and win
lunar lynx
best god boons for eris?
lunar lynx
thanks
jolly chasm
Tdash is also great
analog mauve
having pos in pool just for 1 boon isnt
proper furnace
you still pick shoals/beaver
analog mauve
how do you get that without dash
proper furnace
after you pick dash I mean
analog mauve
what i mean is hes useless if you dont get dash
proper furnace
then just force the dash no?
like sure maybe if you already took divine or ended up with a weird pool then no but otherwise is not that hard not finding dash
jolly chasm
Pos special is also useable
analog mauve
i mean sure
not with cluster tho
the first bomb knocks the guys out of the other 4
every annoying
plain river
I had an interesting build earlier
?
solar nova
?
my computer ran out of battery lol
It was spear
flurry jab, triple jab, Tempest Strike, Epic Typhoon's Fury
it was really fun
not super good
but very fun
just kept pushing enemies away and slamming them into walls for massive damage
it was amazing against a bunch of regular enemies
but against bosses it sucked
mortal tide
anything else good to add to zeus atk and athena dash with breaching cross? i got hades to half health with that combo and had demeter on special.
tight basin
anything else good to add to zeus atk and athena dash with breaching cross? i go...
Static discharge from Zeus is arguably the most important part of the build
You want to pour your poms into that
After that anything else is kinda just whatever, try not to take too many boons so you can funnel your poms better
vital night
Zeus attack does very little damage without it
mortal tide
i didnt have that and was pouring them mostly into zeus atk and divine dash.
vital night
Other sources of flat damage like dio or Zeus call scale well
Zeus attack and divine dash have little value gained from poms
Especially ddash
mortal tide
funny enough i didnt have a call that attempt
mortal tide
would going for merciful end work well?
vital night
Yeah merciful end is the best option for fists
The only reason high heat uses Zeus attack is that ME is really hard to get with approval process and routine inspection
mortal tide
no idea what that means but im sure i will know soon.
plain river
The only reason high heat uses Zeus attack is that ME is really hard to get with...
I mean it also shreds dc like mad
mortal tide
Yeah merciful end is the best option for fists
for merciful end build on demeter fists, should i go for ares on atk or special?
vital night
Attack
jolly chasm
Attack
plain river
for merciful end build on demeter fists, should i go for ares on atk or special?
The only time merciful end isn’t on attack is zeus shield
mortal tide
so ignore the epic special hes giving me?
jolly chasm
Zeus still takes doom on attack btw
plain river
every other time you want it on strike so you can dashstrike into enemies with athena dasg
jolly chasm
It can work on special tho for Zeus
plain river
and instantly hit doom and drop doom
plain river
Zeus still takes doom on attack btw
Yeah but you could go either way and have success at least sub32 heat
worn solar
so ignore the epic special hes giving me?
Doom special is much slower than just spamming dash strike and it has a worse hitbox
mortal tide
Doom special is much slower than just spamming dash strike and it has a worse hi...
ok. atk it is
plain river
This is assuming you take ares strike -> athena special and then also take athena’s dash so your dashes deflect btw
which
makes the whole thing work
mortal tide
thats the plan if i dont get dash first
mortal tide
This is assuming you take ares strike -> athena special and then also take athen...
would u mind hopping on hades and tell me what the reward for completing chaos's prophesies are?
plain river
would u mind hopping on hades and tell me what the reward for completing chaos's...
Like
For getting all chaos boons and curses?
I think it’s 30 keys each
mortal tide
I think it’s 30 keys each
mmh...i dont think its worth it rn. wdyt?
go for the fated choice or go for 37 extra health in return for 4 encounters, i take +347% extra damage from traps
jolly chasm
Trap damage is free ngl
plain river
What are the fated choices and what weapon is this
mortal tide
What are the fated choices and what weapon is this
fated choice is addled shot, weapon is demeter fists, going for merciful end build rn since door wanted to give me gems and now i have a better shot of getting athena with 3 doors instead of one
jolly chasm
What does addled do again
jolly chasm
oh
plain river
fated choice is addled shot, weapon is demeter fists, going for merciful end bui...
Tbh chaos is kinda always the play, especially if it’s a blue laurel
mortal tide
addled shot: every cast i throw, i take 5 damage. i get 37% extra damage at the end of 4 encounters
plain river
Addled is hardly a debuff on merciful end fists
jolly chasm
Slippery is also free
mortal tide
yea
jolly chasm
Take which ever one, all curses are easy and there are no massive buffs