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proper furnace
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that's the other build

pallid trellis
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so I put the Doom on my special since that's the only place

proper furnace
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you either go aph attack or go for merciful end instead

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not both

pallid trellis
proper furnace
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yeah

pallid trellis
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I already effed it up anyway

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got Hunter Dash and now my first Hammer choices are Breaching Slash (300% attack to armor), shadow slash (200% backstab), or Piercing Wave (doodoo)

proper furnace
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hunter is still aight

pallid trellis
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Breaching or Shadow?

vital night
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Breaching

proper furnace
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I'd do piercing tbh?

pallid trellis
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no, it's doodoo

proper furnace
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but idk how much I under value breaching here lol

vital night
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It’s nice in ely

pallid trellis
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I always like having bonus armor damage

proper furnace
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piercing is solid

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mainly cuz sword hammers are kinda bouldy but still

pallid trellis
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any time I use the fists, I go Breaching Cross and the one that adds the dash strike to your normal attack sequence

proper furnace
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and yeah shadow is the worst there anyways

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doesn't apply to dash strikes

pallid trellis
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does Breaching? Probably not

proper furnace
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breaching works

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is just shadow/cursed that don't

clever mason
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I once got piercing wave and flurry slash. It was ok for low to no heat. It made for a much safer sword run.

plain river
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mainly because the majority of the sword hammers… range from bleh to actively negative

clever mason
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I picked it because it wasn’t the hoarding slash and cursed slash…

plain river
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I think I'd put piercing wave up in the top 3 sword hammers

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lets see if past me agreed

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looks like I did

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I do need to bring up double nova still

unreal escarp
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whys double nova neutral doesnt sword special a lot

analog mauve
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youre building around your attack, so unless you got somethign good on your special its mid

proper furnace
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it has some nice value if you remind yourself to not cancel the 2nd hit on dash

worn solar
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bouldy its kinda good for arthur 50

plain river
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if you dash strike as soon as you possibly can after specialling, you won't see the second wave

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hence why it's worse off then super nova

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you have to readjust your gameplay more often then not if you're doing an optimal dps rotation

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so I could bring it up given

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it will give you a benefit so long as you re-adjust your gameplay. you just have to be willing to do that and possibly fight against muscle memory

plain river
analog mauve
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ah i didnt know that

plain river
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anyways that's why I said "I do need to bring up double nova still"

analog mauve
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a lot of the hammers suck just because of how dash striking is the most optimal way to play sword

unreal escarp
plain river
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since I haven't remade the tierlist since I moved shadow into it's own tier for arthur

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Hoarding slash is neutral not because it doesn't boost your dash strikes, but because it may as well not

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Cruel Thrust doesn't mess with your dash strikes, but it also doesn't give you any real bonus

proper furnace
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wait hoarding doesn't work on dash strikes

plain river
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it does

proper furnace
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oh I read it wrong lmao

plain river
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it just

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it's a very

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very

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low number

proper furnace
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it exists

plain river
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exactly

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that's why it's neutral

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tbh if I messing with the tier list

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I might move cruel thrust over hoarding slash just because it's incompatible with Flurry and World Splitter

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so if you're forced to pick between hoarding, cruel, and one of the worse options for your first hammer

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I mean yeah you might as well reset, but cruel thrust will give you the safest shot with your second sword hammer

clever mason
analog mauve
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yeah thats what i meant

potent tree
vital night
clever mason
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I was wondering about world splitter, because it’s 90 dmg base which is better than rocket bomb. Can’t that be built around?

vital night
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Yes

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Aphro

pallid trellis
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remind me what the Hestia button sequence is?

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attack, reload, dash dash?

analog mauve
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yea

clear heath
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What's a cool Zag Spear build idea?

tiny ledge
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any recm what should i abilty i should pick in sword

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like attck special cast call

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using currently posedion

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attk

analog mauve
analog mauve
tiny ledge
analog mauve
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yeah those are the best

vital night
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tdash is good

tiny ledge
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what abut special and call?

analog mauve
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% wise the order goes aphrodite > athena/dem > arty/pos i think

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but arty has crit so shes up there

jolly chasm
tiny ledge
jolly chasm
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Tidal dash from pos

vital night
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Tidal dash

plain river
analog mauve
vital night
jolly chasm
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If you get Jolted, 100%

analog mauve
plain river
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wait what weapon is this

analog mauve
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if you get shoals and beaver ur set

tiny ledge
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sword

analog mauve
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oh i thought its the zagspear guy

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nvm

plain river
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I like pos special on sword tbh but it can knock enemies out of your dash strike range

tiny ledge
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any other option

plain river
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There are a lot of options for your sword special. Some of the decision is based on what else you have though

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Like

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If I’m using Nemesis sword, and I have heartbreak strike, taking artemis for heart rend is huge value

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But if I’m running ares on strike for a merciful end build I need athena on special to even get merciful end at all

tiny ledge
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i started playing from yesterday still trying out

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ohh and which aspect would be good?

plain river
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If you’re playing sword? It’s nemesis

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By a long shot

tiny ledge
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let me check if it unluck

plain river
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I mean poseidon is an option if you want to use it. Zag sword is…

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+15% movespeed can be nice

jolly chasm
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Plume Zagsword comfy

plain river
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Do seeded runs run plume or butterfly or regular keepsakes

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Cuz just another way to top off your rush delivery seems like a no brainer when you already have your run seeded

tiny ledge
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i like crit more

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crit with lifesteal build what u think?

jolly chasm
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Lifesteal in Hades is very weak

plain river
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Cursed slash is kind of a big nerf to yourself

jolly chasm
plain river
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And it tricks players into using the standing strike combo 😔

plain river
jolly chasm
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Dashstriking is really good

tiny ledge
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ahh sadge i found interesting lifesteal

plain river
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The standing strike combo is also

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a very slow way to regen hp

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so it’s hard to regain the value you lose from -60% max hp

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since the longer you drag out your fights, the more likely you’ll be to make mistakes

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or a bad sequence of mistakes that monopolises on your uber nerfed max hp

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to take you out

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without much benefit at all to your damage

tiny ledge
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ohh so which hammer should i go with crit?

plain river
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give me 1 second

jolly chasm
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noooooooooooooooooooooooo

plain river
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.

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🙄

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If it works it works

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Double edge is going to be the best hammer available to you

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Doubling your dash strikes is just big value

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You deal twice as much damage, and you also have twice as many chances to prok hunters mark, a potent secondary artemis boon that lets you chain crits

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Piercing Wave is just a strong hammer by itself

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Breaching slash basically shreds armour and applies to your dash strikes

tiny ledge
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this bot is annoying keep spmming

plain river
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It’s doing it’s job just fine

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It’s supposed to keep it’s message near the bottom of chat so wandering Hades II players don’t spoil the game for people here

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it was a massive problem

tiny ledge
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[oohh but the story is kinda like hard to keep

plain river
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Super Nova and Double nova are both hammers that’ll boost your special when you use it, super nova being a straight up boost and double nova requiring you to wait a little bit before you dash strike again for the second wave to come out

tiny ledge
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have to run some few run then story progress and i foregt the story

plain river
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Aside from those hammers… the rest of the sword hammers are either kinda bleh or bad for you

tiny ledge
plain river
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I never really found an issue with remembering the story, idk

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I mentioned like 5 hammers so far I think?

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maybe 6

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Are you familiar with the format of a “tierlist”?

tiny ledge
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yea

plain river
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K

jolly chasm
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god damn it

plain river
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Just mentally move Double nova up a bit

plain river
tiny ledge
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i go and run few run and try some

plain river
plain river
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So I can cover all my bases

jolly chasm
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At least make one for bow

plain river
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I already have sometjing for bow

jolly chasm
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I need to see this

plain river
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and the aspects kinda mess with how I’d tier each hammer

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That’s my apprehension with making anything for anything other than sword

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Like if you look at spear, zag and achilles get flurry, but Hades and Zag used explosive, and zag hades and gy use charged skewer

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Extending jab is good for zag and achilles but like

jolly chasm
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Then you make a tier list for every aspect

plain river
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is it really doi g much on hades and

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I could

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I should get food before hand

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Sword was easy because none of the sword aspects really fundementally change much or lock out different hammers

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Even what arthur does doesn’t really throw off the list

tiny ledge
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i found chaos god is worth ?

plain river
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Yep

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His boons are potent

tiny ledge
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but i lose a lot hp

plain river
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it’s like -20 or sometjing

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~

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In the grand scheme of things, a good chaos boon will save you more then that over the course of a run

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from just killing things before they can hit you, etc

tiny ledge
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which one should i pick?

plain river
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what are your options

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if you were planning on sending a photo, you can only send imbeded images

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Like links

tiny ledge
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ahh

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flayed ambush, halting strike, atrophic eclipse

plain river
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The answer is likely strike

tiny ledge
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is trippy shot will be good?

plain river
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Trippy shot will be ok, but not better than ok.

tiny ledge
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i try few but i like trippy more

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love lady cast and atehna cast

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and pos cast

pallid trellis
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which attack boon do I get for Guan Yu? I think I heard someone say something about Divine Strike? But they may have been trolling idk

analog mauve
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you can build around the spin or around the special

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probably depends on the first hammer you get

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if you get charged skewer get aphro special and win

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thats enough to win

worldly patio
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what boon should I target to get for my call in aspect of beowulf?

pallid trellis
analog mauve
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they kinda do

pallid trellis
analog mauve
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ngl idk how spin gy works

pallid trellis
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ok which boon do you choose for the Charged Skewer GY?

analog mauve
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aphro because it has the highest %

pallid trellis
analog mauve
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why do you need an attack

tiny ledge
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I just try aspect of Chiron bow and it was to ez

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Just spam special

analog mauve
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check pins

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yeah the site is the closest thing here to a build guide

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you can also use the ingame codex for pre reqs and stuff

lucid oar
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Then I put hades call on at the end

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If it’s passion flare beo then I like Zeus or dio

lean mango
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1 when you take pressure points, does it make all your attacks, specials, etc count as 'critical skills' for purposes of things like 'hide breaker' or 'clean kill'?

2 does 'hide breaker' and 'clean kill' give bonus damage to all critical skills regardless of whether a critical is scored, and does 'heart rend' apply only to the critical multiplier and not to non-critical damage?

3 I read somewhere that all +%damage multipliers are additive except critical, is that right?

analog mauve
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yes all % multipliers are additive except crits, which do x3 / +%200 multiplicative

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heart rend only applies to crits not normal hits

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iirc hide breaker and clean kill only affect crits, and since crits do so much anyway those boons are negligible and usually are to be avoided

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pressure points affect all sources of damage with few exceptions i think

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explosive return hammer of the top of my head

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and ofcourse it doesnt affect your summon

lean mango
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thanks
way hide breaker and clean kill are worded was confusing

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but i've been taking pressure poitns any chance i get and think that continues to be a good call

analog mauve
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always feels nice to have

plain river
vital night
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Special doesn’t really matter

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Athena call is really good to have though

pallid trellis
vital night
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It’s safer to deflect stuff

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Since guan yu can take like 2 hits at once max

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Big hits atleast

pallid trellis
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smart

tight basin
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You can also do Aphrodite for just raw damage but you'd have to play safer ofc

worn solar
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Also weak and smair

tight basin
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Guan Yu spin charges call pretty fast already so you don't technically need it but it's nice

lean mango
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im getting a lot of work done with poseidons call, though on reddit people seem to thing it's trash

jolly chasm
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Pos call is pretty mid, I would not call it trash

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Also, stay away from the reddit. They don't know what they are talking about

plain river
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Pos call is fine, better then trash, not great though. Hades reddit is in the Hades stone age if you catch my drift

lean mango
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reddit for fanart, discord for builds lol

jolly chasm
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We have a good fanart channel zagmad

lean mango
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doing a run with the boxing gloves, the poseidon call was mad useful against hades

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since you're in melee so much, when you see him charge up his hard to dodge 360 swing, pop 1 bar of it, bop twice for 400 damage each while avoiding his nasty attack

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might have had a pom on it, and had razor shoals

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does each call have its own 'charge time' or do the all charge with damage dealt/taken the same rate?

plain river
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oh and

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some intricacies for call charge rates

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Hitting more often is faster for charging then dealing big damage

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damage is weighted into how much +% you gain but speed really takes over often

tight basin
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Ngl I'd say pos call is higher than mid lmao

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Like a high mid

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Good for repositioning and has a really solid damage burst

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It's fantastic for melee aspects for heat

jolly chasm
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And Eris

tight basin
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Yeah

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Eris is basically melee tho lmao

plain river
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for a zag spear

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spear

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tierlist

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this is what I'm thinking

jolly chasm
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Pretty easy list

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I would agree

plain river
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yeah

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tbh it was mainly because the tierlist has the sword hammers in a row then spear is next

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and I figured I'd knock out the 4 spears first then

jolly chasm
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Shield is even easier, you can just seperate the hammers into charged shot and not charged shot

plain river
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I mean

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I think I'd break it into Shield and Zeus shield

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and

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I'll figure that out when I get to it

plain river
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is the rush a recovery or does it only apply to naturally having the spear come back

jolly chasm
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I don't think rush is a return, but I could be wrong

plain river
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that's achilles

unreal escarp
jolly chasm
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It's why it's a meme build

unreal escarp
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meme builds are supposed to make me happy

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😔

plain river
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you just need to hit the boons™️

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+275% additive without any other boons would go crazy with artemis

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it's just

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sad

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but

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it can be a funny meme build

unreal escarp
plain river
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dude it's been so long since I used spear for anything other than heat

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I can't remember what it was like when I did

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I'd need to go back and try it

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but on paper it'd be a functional meme build

plain river
jolly chasm
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Back to the ranking depths with you Shackle!

jolly chasm
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It's a separate build

plain river
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and I guess that

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since serrated point can't really make use of

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triple and extending

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where shall I put them hmm

jolly chasm
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bad ig

plain river
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see

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with Hades you at least get the buff to how quickly/widely spread you can apply the debuff with the spin hammers

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so I'll say they're good

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now Guan-Yu is

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going to be a doozy maybe

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what's the 64 heat strat w/ gy? I know it's spin build but which hammers do they run

jolly chasm
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Quick and Massive

plain river
jolly chasm
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👍

plain river
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k

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that's spears out of the way

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shield time

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zag and chaos are the same weapon, but do they have any preferences different from bugowolf

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I can't really see that being the case

jolly chasm
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Not really any difference

plain river
unreal escarp
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is chaos the same weapon even on high heat

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actually nvm u js roll for chargeshot huh

jolly chasm
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High heat, pls edit for spoiler

unreal escarp
plain river
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zag shield and chaos are essentially the same weapon, one just has extra base damage on that small semi circle that pops up before you bull rush

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so

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there is a little divergence as you get higher but

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not much

unreal escarp
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does pulverizing blow work the same as double nova

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where u can cancel the 2nd hit by being too fast

jolly chasm
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I can't wait for Bananas or Dragon to check discord and just see this mayhem

plain river
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I'll move CFlight down in a second

tight basin
plain river
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was previously too wordy

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fixed it

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I should go ask the real speedrunners their opinions on this

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"real speedrunners" like the people here aren't dusa

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sorry I should have said the server that is primarily h1 speedrunners

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😔

jolly chasm
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I'm a real speedrunner 😦

plain river
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that's why I rephrased it

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I could never forget my favourite 77 heat clearer

tight basin
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lmao

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im not even a hades runner anymore at this point

plain river
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I haven't played Hades in

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how long?

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but I like to talk about Hades

tight basin
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same

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idk if mino rush or empowering flight is ever good lmao

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is this like

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general shield or zag

plain river
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every shield other than zeus

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last I checked zag can't get unyielding defense

tight basin
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oh lmao

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i forgot about unyielindg defense

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yeah idk if i'd ever call mino rush situationally good

plain river
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tbh

jolly chasm
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ye, I'd put it and empowering in a new tier

tight basin
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every time i've had it proc it was bc i had to hold block to prevent damage and by coincidence i got the bonus damage

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if this is every shield other than zeus, then empowering is never useful lmao

plain river
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the only thing stopping this from being a general shield tierlist is me moving charged flight down to "special hammers", moving zeus shield up to where cflight is now and renaming it to "SSS if zeus, otherwise Bleh"

tight basin
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just throw all the special hammers and mino rush into a tier called "trash" lmao

tight basin
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but like

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kinda weird

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bc zeus doesn't want both cshot and er

jolly chasm
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Yeah

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One or the other

tight basin
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or at least it doesn't want cshot in general unless you're doing bad zag shield

jolly chasm
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It's just too much to manage

plain river
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idk I did it with shadow slash arthur and arthur doesn't typically run both double edge and shadow slash

tight basin
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but they dont get in the way of each other

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cshot and er does

plain river
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ah

tight basin
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it fundamentally changes how you play

plain river
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k

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wait I didn't swap charged flight and explosive return

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I'm dumb

jolly chasm
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I was about to say

tight basin
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hell yeah cflight zeus

jolly chasm
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Also, empowering flight works weird, it's only when you catch the special not when the special hits

tight basin
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yea

jolly chasm
tight basin
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tbf you'd have like really good uptime on the bonus damage

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but it's not something you actively seek out

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considering like the combo is throw, strike back, bull rush forwards and catch

jolly chasm
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Anyway, for Zagbow and Hera, just copy my list but put Explosive in A for @worn solar

plain river
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fire

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should "Works on Zeus" be higher than situationally good tizomg

jolly chasm
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no

plain river
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rad

plain river
jolly chasm
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wtf is that

unreal escarp
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what happenewd to triple shot 😭

plain river
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hold on let me grab my glasses

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ohhh

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sorry lads

jolly chasm
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And flurry my beloved zagcry

worn solar
plain river
jolly chasm
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But same as pointblank

plain river
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anyways I'll make a proper tiering

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wait

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why is

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oh

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cpecific has concentrated volley named pointblank shot

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that's what threw me off

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I was like

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"where the heck is concentrated"

worn solar
# worn solar Ngl after some empirical twsting its still worse than perfect <:bouldy:523329116...

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explosive triple vs perfect twin bouldy also other than kinda needing arty attack explosive sucks when elite strongbows spawn

plain river
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something like that

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if you consolidated all the bows

jolly chasm
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Decent should be above Chiron hammers but pretty good otherwise

unreal escarp
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my favorite weapon

plain river
tight basin
plain river
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will do that

worn solar
tight basin
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oh lmao i didn't even look at the victory screen

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didn't you do like

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explosive runs before tho

worn solar
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Yeah

tight basin
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did those start explosive?

worn solar
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I start twin or triple if i get em first

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Like my 50 was twin then explosive

tight basin
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fair

jolly chasm
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Alright, fist time

plain river
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k final draft I think

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onto fists

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I can't imagine zag fists being far off from demeter

vital night
jolly chasm
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They want the same hammers iirc

plain river
vital night
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Anyheat builds get most of the damage from tidal dash and other soup anyways

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But if you basically only have one boon, you’re basically giving enemies CP3/4

plain river
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is flying cutter worth much on demeter? I can't remember ever really having much sucess with it

jolly chasm
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no

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flying cutter is just pretty meh to bad

plain river
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so

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here's what I'm thinkingf

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for zag/demeter

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oh wait I didn't name them

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Breaching Cross: Breaching Cross
Great: Explosive Upper, Long Knuckle, Draining Cutter, Rush Kick, Kinetic Launcher
Colossus Knuckle: Colossus Knuckle
Decent: Rolling Knuckle, Concentrated Knuckle, Flying Cutter
Heavy Knuckle: Heavy Knuckle
Quake Cutter: Quake Cutter

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maybe flying cutter, and Quake cutter could get a roomd instead of quake cutter getting one to itself hm

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with just

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Bleh

jolly chasm
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Draining cutter in great is cursed

plain river
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maybe

jolly chasm
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Rush kick is also bad

plain river
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I can agree with that

plain river
jolly chasm
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Much better

plain river
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hmm

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Talos is awkward

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I'm partial to heavy knuckle Talos as memey as that is

jolly chasm
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I still think draining cutter should be in bad or at least lower decent, but it's fine

plain river
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look at the rest of decent

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I am generalising though because it's zag and dem and draining cutter is a fair bit more useful on dem

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I'll go take my contacts out before I make Talos

analog mauve
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long knuckles >> explosive upper tho???

jolly chasm
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Not on dem

plain river
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Hu?

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Not on dem

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Sure on zag and

analog mauve
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is this speed tierlist

plain river
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See

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I’m speedrunning

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making tierlists

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and

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so zag and dem get thrown into the same tierlist cuz they’re pretty close

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It’s kind of valuing both speed and heat here as far as I’m concerned

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Here I just chose to put dem speed over heat cuz preference idk they’re roughly equal

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I’ve been distracted by a far more interesting idea spinning off this

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I’ll complete talos, gilgamesh, and the rail aspects in a little bit

jolly chasm
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What is this interesting idea you speak of?

plain river
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So I’d go back and split up the old multiaspect tierlists

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and then you’d be like “oh what’s good for my aspect” and then

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oh maybe you could click on a hammer and it’d tell you what good second hammers are for it

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I’ve never really tried to make a website before so I’m reaching out to some friends who I know have since that’d be an interesting summer project to learn how to do

analog mauve
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its rly easy to get a new player to know whats good and what isnt

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the hard part is helping them understand what makes it good

plain river
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I

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figure I'd add something on to the site at that point

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like a lil description of why it's tiered where it is when you hover over it

clever mason
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For all the aids boons, which gives the most damage against bosses? I was thinking a max aphro with the 2500 bonus damage.

But posideon with Poms and other boons to support could get crazy. Especially with a decent player making the best loops. Or arty hitting all her crits on 10 arrows.

I was thinking about this because I had max guage aphro aid go off twice in the hades fight. Which is 5k free damage. I didn’t even have battie companion yet.

analog mauve
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a small charge call from zeus or dio can do more damage than a greater call from aphro

lean mango
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Do you have to stay close for zeus?

analog mauve
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yeah

clever mason
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Do you have Pom it a lot?

analog mauve
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but if you build stuff right you will be instakilling stuff anyway

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so taking dmg wont matter

analog mauve
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double strike,

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jolted

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the zeus legendary

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and any source of global damage as well

lean mango
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One bar of poseiden with a pom or two can do 400 twice

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Plus rupture

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And it's handy for clearing minions

analog mauve
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pos call is great as well but for pure damage youre looking at zeus

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and dio

lean mango
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My last run i tried the zeus aspect shield so I didn't need a call

clever mason
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What happens if jolted get applied twice before he attacks?

lean mango
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Just throw it and go make a sandwich

vital night
vital night
clever mason
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Zeus boons have such amazing synergy.

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Is it better to just fire off the Zeus aid as soon as you get 1/4 gauge? Or wait till max?

analog mauve
plain river
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And it being spreadout over multiple calls means you’ll end up lossing less overall call gauge to hitting a bosses breakpoints

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Where with a full call from aphrodite or artemis, the second you hit the breakpoints any extra damage is wasted and whoops you just wasted a good portion of your 100% gauge

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Note that dionysus is also easily pommed for way boosted damage as well

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I don’t have the numbers for zeus off the top of my head but it’s just as good

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Aphrodite and Artemis do just fail at damage

vital night
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Also dio call builds itself

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Which no other call does

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Something something don’t blow your whole load at once

clever mason
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When you say builds itself, do you mean charges the guage?

analog mauve
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yes

plain river
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This gets more and more useful the more enemies you hit with it

unreal tree
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i think minotaur was useful exactly once in my 3.5 years of playing

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when I got anviled into a cshot ferocious mino on 55 heat zeus unmodded

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okay on close inspection it seems that it triggered 3 times in the entire dad fight bouldy and only twice was it useful

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600 on cshot is funny though

plain river
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That’s where it ended

primal brook
jaunty jackal
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hi I did a quick build for a success but surprisingly its melting every boss so if anyone has anything to add to it to make it more busted please(my screenshot wont send)
achille's aspect on the lance,ares on the attack,nothing on the special,artemis on the cast,aphrodite on the dash,thanatos on the gift,the hammer that makes the lance spam if you hold m1 and the hammer that makes your assault strike three times but lower your dash range by 25% and finally the duo boon aphrodie artemis that inflict 150% critical on those who are weaken(on the side I have vengeance of zeus and the boon of ares that boost every type of attack)

plain river
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The only thing here that really has any synergy is the fact that you had flurry jab

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Serrated Point is also a good spear hammer, but it’s pretty much discount Flurry Jab and not really worth the defensive drop of having both for the slight damage boost since both flurry jab and serrated point have seperate debuffs to your dashing

worn solar
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Generally youd have ares on cast and arty on attack

plain river
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This build would work far better with artemis on strike, so you can crit and make use of achilles big additive damage gains

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Ares isn’t doing much on strike because you’re hitting so darn often here and don’t have merciful end to drop your doom early

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And yeah, ares on cast for hunting blades would work far better then artemis cast

jaunty jackal
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I finished my run with it and all three death defier got away so ye the defense drop is really bad

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couldnt avoid any attack of the father

lean mango
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i always try to get poseidon on cast because one game i got an insane combo of cast buffs and it was just fire and forget

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there was like a demeter thing that made it go slow and do huge damage, razor shoals of course, and another duo boon that made each cast have a 2nd instance that did lesser damage

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a few poms in there i think

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i just remember hitting cast 3 times after hades dropped the cloak and his health went down by about an eigth and it's like "okay, that was a cool run"

proper furnace
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Does the dem-pos duo still have knockback

jaunty jackal
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anyone got a good build for malphon gauntlet please?(on zagreus' aspect if possible)

lean mango
proper furnace
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Or merciful end
Start ares attack (ideally not common), grab athena special > get duo, grab divine dash and spam dash strikes

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Pom the attack and grab impending doom (and pom it too)

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For hermes you want +dashes or hyper sprint into rush delivery

jaunty jackal
jaunty jackal
proper furnace
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If you are still practicing bosses I would suggest dropping the +100% dmg bouldy

jaunty jackal
proper furnace
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I do still think max HL at 8 heat is kinda unnecessary but you do you

jaunty jackal
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Im pretty confidant in my ability to dodge msot attack(even tho hades and his 80 might cause me problem)

plain river
plain river
jaunty jackal
plain river
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If you’re at 8 heat I think that HL 5 is really overkill because there are other options that would be a bit more conducive to improvement

jaunty jackal
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Im at theseus with all 3 death defiance for now and the build is complete

jaunty jackal
lean mango
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the first 6 heat is not so bad right? i've done EM 1 and 2 and barely notice them
jury summons also doesn't seem bad when i've toyed with it

plain river
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Tight deadline and Middle Management since the timer will help you keep a good pace (and if it’s not doing much you can just increase the tight deadline level) and middle management to get used to the mixed up minibosses sooner rather than later

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Jury summons is somethjng I wouldn’t recommend really running at low heat tbh

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I don’t have it turned on at all for my 40 heat pacts and I can’t see any reason why I would

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It’s just going to drag out your run by making you need to kill more enemies, and leave you more vulnerable to making mistakes as those fights are dragged out and have increased enemy numbers

lean mango
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well if you're trying to play fast it'd be bad

plain river
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It also just only gets worse with more heat

lean mango
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it just didn't feel "harder" when i had it on at level 1 20%

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i mean compared to 'enemies more hp'

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it's sorta the same but doesn't buff busses

plain river
analog mauve
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a lot of the other heats make enemies healthier and do more dmg or have bonus perks so jury summons gets multiplicatively bad when compounded with those

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on its own its pretty fine

lean mango
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taking notes in my codex

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yeah i just had jury and EM to start

worn solar
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Js3 cp2 bp2 fo2 hl5 elysium bouldy

lean mango
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oh and also tried the 25% less healing one

plain river
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All the “enemies live longer” and “there are more enemies” pacts will multiplicatively shoot your run in the foot as you add more heat

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and also just as aforementioned, drag out the run and leave you with more opportunities to slip up

lean mango
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but it seems not too hard to get up to 5 or 10 without taking really punishing ones

worn solar
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Yep

lean mango
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and i assume that's as far as most players go

plain river
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I mean

plain river
vital night
plain river
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People want to get all their bounties

vital night
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If you can learn to not get hit with HL5 and FO2, you’re kinda chilling as far as the rest of the pact goes

lean mango
plain river
vital night
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People usually stop at 20

plain river
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it’s hard to tell what any given person who just ain’t here to talk about themselves will do

vital night
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HL5 LC3 8 heat

plain river
analog mauve
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hl5 💀 dread

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do not do hl5 first pls

vital night
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I encourage it

analog mauve
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i discourage you encouraging it

plain river
vital night
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Hm

plain river
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Big brain time

vital night
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EM4

lean mango
# plain river As opposed to?

well, i imagine about half of people who play the game see the credits, probably about half of those finish the epilogue

but you don't need that much heat to get most of the titans blood and diamonds you need to upgrade the aspects and buy the contractor stuff

plain river
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EM4 Hl4 lc4 cp2

vital night
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Fo2

plain river
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Hmm

analog mauve
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what were the skelly statue completion rate %s again

plain river
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Em4 Hl4 Fo2 cp1 is 20 I beleive

lean mango
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is EM 3 and 4 as easy as 1 and 2?

vital night
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Nah

plain river
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nah

proper furnace
vital night
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3 is

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4 is tough

analog mauve
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4 is a hurdle i will never pass

plain river
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em3 isn’t necessarily hard, it’s just asterius is uber antimelee and it gets worse with like fo2

vital night
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For 8 and 16

plain river
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Honestly the big reason I don’t run em3 is just because asterius gets so antimelee with the beyblade attack

vital night
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Real

analog mauve
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i just tank it

plain river
analog mauve
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sometimes i actually do tank it

plain river
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I accidentally tank it and end up seeing the house of Hades early

analog mauve
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😭

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if hes close to phasing and i have a call i just dash dash call dash dash into it

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tank 1/2/3 hits

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becuase i cba wtching out for it

plain river
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I just wait for him to stop tizomg

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I want to play Hades now that I’ve been talking about it so much

vital night
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I just block or target theseus

plain river
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I get Theseus down first

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Since I want to take down beyblade asterius by himself

analog mauve
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what

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really

plain river
# analog mauve what

Asterius just gets in my way a ton in that em3 fight wjen I have the rest of my heat modifiers on

vital night
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is this in a bow context

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bc most melee (shields) can't really contest theseus unless he's standing still

plain river
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I’m usually using bow but I can’t remember my sentiments ever changing for other weapons

jaunty jackal
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whats guan yu best build ?

vital night
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aphro charged skewer up until about 50 heat

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and then athena spin with quick+massive spin rules

unkempt parcel
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does the bow just suck without flurry shot? Find it the hardest one to do well with. Do I just find +Special boons and rely on special attack if I don't get flurry?

plain river
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bow is great without flurry shot, you just need to dash strike

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if you're standing striking it sucks

unkempt parcel
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yeah i did dash strike. Still not much dps. Made it to Thesius and lost.

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well...dash and shoot I mean.

plain river
unkempt parcel
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yeah. i lacked dps for some reason. I even had the attack demeter boon.

plain river
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I mean it could be a matter of your build

unkempt parcel
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ya

worn solar
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Aphro attack is ideal, if you dont have either twin shot triple shot or flurry your damage wont be so great into heroes

plain river
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I mean if you do have like

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pointblank and perfect

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you should be able to cover your damage despite the lack of base damage boost

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it's not like twin and triple are be all end all

rich storm
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Can someone give me a good build suggestion?

worn solar
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Second link in the pins has a lot

rich storm
worn solar
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Well idk what your preferences are

rich storm
worn solar
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Ig merciful end fists. You just hold attack and spam dash and it kills stuff

rich storm
worn solar
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Demeter is the best

rich storm
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Alright, thanks, i'll check out the article's build for that

unkempt scroll
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Ehm, lol, first attempt with the bow and I have 325 hp and 3 duo boons .-.

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Ares + Aphrodite + Dionysis

plain river
unkempt scroll
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My hangover comes from regular bow special with a +4 arrow count

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My attack has doom + multi stack + extra doom dmg
And my dash had Aphrodite effect

plain river
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Oh your attack has the doom? bouldy

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The +4 arrow count on special is negigible here, you’d be maxing hangover with the default special

unkempt scroll
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Also had the span attack shot x)

plain river
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And relentless volley just ain’t a great option for bows because the bow special just…is definitely an option

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I was thinking this was chiron where it’d be more justifiable

unkempt scroll
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Well, kinda help with getting the poison up to 8 stacks, no?

plain river
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More than enough for 8 stacks

unkempt scroll
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Well, I recently started again, so I started over, and I like to get a run through every weapon so the 0 heat runs are out of the way

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Well, yeah, but they're unlikely to all hit the boss, though?

plain river
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You shotgun it

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also
you just don’t use bow special typically

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But if you were to

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You get your 8 stacks by shotgunning it after reading an enemy

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Your bow strike will do a lot better with +% boons

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Like aphrodite’s strike rather than a flat damage like ares doom

unkempt scroll
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Well, the next is the shield, any suggestion as to what to go for with that?

plain river
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Base shield? Or what do you have as options

unkempt scroll
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Base

plain river
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The easiest way to build it

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would be to put aphrodite on strike, zeus call, and look for smouldering air (or zeus somewhere else and look for dionysus call)

unkempt scroll
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Is smouldering air a hammer effect?

plain river
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Smouldering air is the zeus/aphrodite duo boon

unkempt scroll
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Oh, that

plain river
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Hence why I mentioned zeus boons out of otherwise nowhere bouldy

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Another way you could build it would be Merciful End if you’re familiar with it

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It’s a very common build that works on pretty much every melee weapon

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Ares strike, athena special (to open up the Merciful End duo) and Divine Dash from athena to deflect when you dash

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Merciful End causes any deflecting abilities to drop dooms

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The combo makes your dash strikes immediately prok and drop dooms

plain river
unkempt scroll
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Welp, didn't get the Aphrodite attack with my first boon :x

vital night
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Roll

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You can also start shackle

unkempt scroll
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Haven't gotten far enough to be able to roll

potent tree
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Did you start the run with Aphrodite's keepsake?

vital night
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You can also start tidal dash and take whatever % attack boon greater than 70% you get

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If you don’t have rolls I wouldn’t recommend merciful end

unkempt scroll
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Okay

vital night
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Basically you play like this

unkempt scroll
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Welp, I got nowhere what was recommended 😅

vital night
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It’s fine

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It works with any % boon and charged shot

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You can also start tidal dash

unkempt scroll
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About to get to the first boss

vital night
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That’s fine

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Go for low tolerance and Zeus call

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Or wait, not low tolerance

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Honestly ignore the special

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Sell passion dash and force Poseidon into asphodel

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Get tidal dash

unkempt scroll
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Okay

vital night
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And then kinda just dash around hitting everything

unkempt scroll
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The selling one didn't let me sell dash :c

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Should I try and bet on Poseidon giving me a dash option anyway?

vital night
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Any of the attack hammers like pulv blow, dashing flight, breaching rush, cshot will do

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Replace is a pretty low chance if you have cores open

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Kinda juts roll with it

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Could still force Zeus for call

lean mango
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I got dio aid, smoldering air, quick favor, low tolerance, hunter instinct

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i call the build, 'the party never ends'

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you can just use dio call all battle

unkempt scroll
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Huh, got low tolerence

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At least I got Zeus aid 😅

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And just got smouldering air

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Right before the second boss, yay

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2 duos and 0 cast x)

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Honestly, isn't so bad so far, imo

vital night
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Yeah

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Smair and jolted is enough damage to carry the whole run

unkempt scroll
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Now my attack hits twice :3

vital night
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No downside

plain river
unkempt scroll
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Dashing up to an enemy for extended weak, then switching between special with explosive catches and double attack seems like decent enough dmg

vital night
#

ER first hammer

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I agree

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I lost a 55 run to heroes with pulv and couldn’t figure out why it felt so bad

unkempt scroll
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Double lightning is always nice :3

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And that's just my lightning dmg 😅

vital night
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Yeah that’s a build in itself

plain river
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Only thing you’re missing is static discharge

unkempt scroll
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Lol, I think my call nearly did 1k dps...

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Not really sure if static discharge would've done much in that boss fight 😅

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With 295 health, 3 DDs, and more than 1k dps, it would have been embarresing to lose againt the last boss 😅

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About to do my first spear run, should I just try and go for smouldering air again?

plain river
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It’s certainly an option but you’d go about it a different way

unkempt scroll
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Just basic spear, haven't gotten to the point where I can upgrade weapons :p

plain river
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Oh

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That point is literally just having them all unlocked

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Anyways, for most purposes, aspect of zagreus spear and base spear are practically the same weapon

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They don’t build any differently

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Since the spear attacks a lot faster for lower base damage than bow, you’d actually rather have zeus on strike and aphrodite on something like special

vital night
clever mason
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Static discharge poms scale well. Plus 3 boons (flourish, dash, and aid) trigger it, and it’s a status effect for all you privileged status folks.

jolly chasm
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pls don't run Pstatus

analog mauve
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it actually isnt that bad

jolly chasm
#

Pstatus itself is not that bad, it's just completely and utterly outclassed by Family Favorites

tight basin
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for general clearing imo fam favs makes more sense but at high heat pstatus can work imo

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obv depends on the build you're going for

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but pstatus in heat is a lot less cursed imo

plain river
#

Do DC blocked hits still prok status

tight basin
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yeah i belive so

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bc the dio ticks still strip it

plain river
#

then I think pstatus is a lot more viable there

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where before the combo of FF and Fiery can get u a ton of one hit kills

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Id you’re doing two hits prior anyways

analog mauve
tight basin
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i mean what aspects would consistently go for it tho

plain river
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Anything smair tbh

tight basin
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like drunk builds i would assume

tight basin
analog mauve
#

ig on ap2 its kind of hard

tight basin
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yeah

plain river
tight basin
#

i can see a case for like fists or sword if you're doing dio

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yeah snurst hera makes sense

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unless like

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without the initial damage boost tart sucks ass

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pstatus beo is already a thing

plain river
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Just hit Snurst uber early

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What’s pstatus beo second status

jolly chasm
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Snurst plus Aphro cast iirc

analog mauve
#

at high enough heat ur playing ri2 anyway

plain river
#

Just do a few runs with ri4 at like 20 heat to get used to it beforehand like you do when you learn LC4

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🧠

tight basin
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frost strike and mistral dash work lmao

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ideally speaking you'd have snurst/mistral dash + dio/aphro/ares on the atk

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so you'd get full damage on your casts

vital night
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This is only in the weird ri3 case

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But it does work

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Carried my beo 50

unkempt scroll
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Welp, time for a fist run

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Hopefully I beat it in my first try, haven't practiced fists in a long time :p

pallid trellis
#

does Demeter have any relevant boons in any builds?

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sometimes her Crystal Beam is useful, but I'll only take that if I plan on taking Artemis boons as well

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Chill feels like a terrible status effect compared to the others you can take

analog mauve
#

yes dem is one of the worse gods in the game

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few boon are good, ravenous will, rare crop

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epic attack/special are usable

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and if you get those killing freeze is not bad extra dps

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even better if you get the legendary

pallid trellis
analog mauve
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Normal

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That's on you for taking a dem tunnel

lean mango
analog mauve
#

ice wine is the only one i can think of

lean mango
#

I was thinking poseidon

trim canopy
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is it accurate that demeter fists, when you get kinetic launcher, you don't need to charge it?

plain river
plain river
# lean mango I was thinking poseidon

Tbh you have to be running pos’s cast in the first place for that, and atp you’re taking your own boiling blood away for not too too much value

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I like blizzard shot probably more than the next guy but I can’t really say it does much better than the regular meta casts of {lightning phalanx, hunting blades, crush shot (hera & beo) and trippy shot}

trim canopy
#

any advice on mirror setup for sygius nemesis build?

analog mauve
#

Most builds have a default mirror setup that can work for everything just switching one or two things

trim canopy
#

struggling on what hermes boons to pair w/ nemesis ME build too, but guessing hyper sprint > rush delivery

proper furnace
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+dashes always good too but yeah

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The answer to basically every build is one of those options lmao

tight basin
#

It comes out faster too

tight basin
#

Not worth going for and why do you have a Dem core lmao

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But yeah her boons are pretty mid and she's only good for supporting boons

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Ice wine is cool tho

pallid trellis
viscid dagger
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What even can you play with Arthurs' sword? I feel like I just go Artemis/Aphrodite every time lmao

analog mauve
#

thats pretty much it

viscid dagger
#

The weapon is very fun but it definitely feels like the least versatile weapon in the entire game

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Not even hammers change it that much

worn solar
#

I mean you can go swingy swingy or funny dash striky or special spam bouldy

viscid dagger
#

You're telling me you can use special to deal damage?

jolly chasm
#

Not really

analog mauve
#

its just kinda

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sad

worn solar
#

Health is a resource

analog mauve
proper furnace
#

What did possess you to do that

worn solar
#

Its not that bad bouldy

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You just special then dash animation whatsit

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Actually idk what i havent 50'd yet other than gilga

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Oh zag sword and poseidon bouldy

viscid dagger
trim canopy
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if you have 2 door options, gems or keys, is there any stats behind which will lead to a god boon sooner? lol

plain river
worn solar
trim canopy
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...or gems...as it were?

plain river
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Keys are the better play if you have their work order

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The reroll is more valuable then 20 obols

dense spear
#

if I get a 5th God in the God Pool, does it remove a previous one from the pool? just had a run where I lost my first God from the pool...

jolly chasm
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No

worn solar
plain river
#

God pool just grows to fit any extra gods you force in

dense spear
#

ah fair enough, yeah must have been RNG then

jaunty jackal
#

divine dash + infinite ignus eden + death defiance per chamber + poseidon on the attack is the most braindead/funny build I tried

unkempt scroll
#

Hmm, is it just me, or does it kinda seem like you need to memorise fighting pattern to properly beat a boss with 40% extra speed? 🤔

plain river
unkempt scroll
#

Of course. I tried FO1 earlier, apparently it was easier than I expected, since I beat it with my first try. But I doubt I'd be able to do it with the Hades aspect spear, though 🤔

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Pretty sure I'd lose FO2 pretty quick, though :p

plain river
#

Forced overtime 2 is typically something you turn on, spend some time to adjust to, then never turn off again

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there's not really any big reason to go back once you're adjusted to it

unkempt scroll
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Sounds fair enough

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I'm considering practicing with Hades spear, but I also wanna complete prologue :I

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I need like, 2 runs I think

plain river
#

Hades spear is definitely an aspect that'll need your practice

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to perform at the same rate as other aspects

unkempt scroll
#

Which is why I bought the crit chance sword aspect, it's basically a sped-up version of the spear, no? 😅

plain river
#

uh

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I don't know if I'd call sword a sped of version of spear at all

unkempt scroll
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Uhm, the sword? I don't remember the aspect, but when you crit you get up to 30% crit chance

plain river
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Yeah

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Nemesis is a really good sword aspect

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but it's not really a sped-up version of any weapon aside from other sword aspects

unkempt scroll
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It's a lot quicker/easier to just use special than to stand still charging up your spin attack?

plain river
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on that not

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note

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look at achilles spear

unkempt scroll
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Not really in the game right now 😅
But it's the only 2 aspects I've unlocked so far

plain river
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Hades spear is going to feel slow because you're forcing an inherently slow move into your rotation

unkempt scroll
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Ohh, maybe I should've gotten that one...

plain river
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Achilles spear has you special for a damage bonus on your next 4 casts and attacks

unkempt scroll
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Well, I did buy the Hades aspect before I considered FO practice 😅

plain river
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and the damage bonus is the same numbers as Hades

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it ends at +150%

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I don't think it scales the same

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but the end result is the same additive

unreal escarp
plain river
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you can always get more titans blood and use other aspects so

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don't be to worried about it

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and if you find Hades spear fun then use it

unkempt scroll
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So, in theory, if I manage to get decent at FO1/2 with Hades aspect, just about any other weapon should be easier?

plain river
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yes

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because you're getting used to the enemy speed

unkempt scroll
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Well, Idk if I'd call it fun, I just kinda want the hidden aspect, and I didn't feel like using a weapon with low upgrade

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Chiron is probably one of the more fun ones for me

plain river
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Chiron has that effect on new players

unkempt scroll
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I do kinda like the Nemesis crit

unreal escarp
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nemesis is a good low level aspect

unkempt scroll
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Well, I'm not new, but I'm not that great either

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Once tried that Arthur aspect... I did not like it

unreal escarp
plain river
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It's really easy to pick-up, and it's relatively easy to put something together on chiron that works

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but

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it's harder to take it farther iykwim

unkempt scroll
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Well, I'm not quite sure if I ever actually tried to practice FO2. Like, maybe I tried it, but Idk if I actually tried to learn it.
But I do remember I really disliked Arthur aspect's low AF speed :x

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... Iykwim?

plain river
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if you know what I mean

unkempt scroll
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Ah, yeah

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I just kinda like Chiron, lets you stand in distance still do decent dmg

plain river
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easy to pick up, easy to have success with early, it just falters if you try to push it farther

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it's the 4th best bow aspect for a handful of reasons

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that doesn't mean you can't take it harder, it's just less consistent and you really have to make up for what the aspect lacks

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Those are the only rooms

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that can't have duos

unkempt scroll
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I don't think miniboss room makes a difference

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Like, I got 3 duo boons, and I never even tried to get 1 😅

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And that's without the mirror effect

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Doesn't miniboss room only affect stats? 🤔

worn solar
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Miniboss rooms reduce the chance by a small amount

unkempt scroll
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... Should I just yolo and go FO1 + BP2 with Hades? 🤔

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Happens sometimes, try again

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Well, that one just takes some time

vital night
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If you’re looking for smoldering air you also need a call

plain river
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You go from 12% -> 10% odds

unkempt scroll
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Do you even have the book upgrade? 🤔

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Does help a bit when hunting for certain boons

plain river
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There’s a work order that’ll update your codex to have boon lists from all the gods

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Including their prerequisite boons

vital night
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All good. It’s not immediately apparent

jaunty jackal
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is lucifer's aspect just the worst or is it just my build who sucks?

plain river
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in your defence the most effective way to use lucifer isn’t exactly obvious

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especially if you’re reading into what Lucifer does, you might see that the base damage of the attack ramps up and think “huh I guess I should use a +% boon” or that the special bombs pulse and figure “well I guess I’ll put them out as passive damage”

jaunty jackal
plain river
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No

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It doesn’t do anything for cast

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You use your bombs as nukes

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Explode them as soon as they touch the ground

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And like other rails, zeus strike reigns supreme

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especially since the bombs explode when any damage is dealt to them, it’s really useful to have the chain lightning popping your bombs

jaunty jackal