h1-builds-and-combat

[vital night]

Hestia can literally deal with everything except damage control

[brisk adder]

Noted, thank you!

[brisk adder]

Yeah was definitely my slowest run for a while lol

[icy nacelle]

now that I've cleared 32 heat with two of the swords, and both with Dash Nova, i still don't get why you guys bash on DNova so hard

[vital night]

It’s just clunky to play with and doesn’t give iframes

[lucid oar]

Also you can do the dash nova input on vanilla sword

Dash nova just removes flexibility

[vital night]

@icy nacelle we can move here if you want to keep talking

[icy nacelle]

yes

i'm about to try a hestia run with em3 mm fo2 td3 (20 heat total)

[vital night]

Gl

[icy nacelle]

ty ty

[vital night]

Tidal start is aggressive, aphro attack/spec start is more safe

Basically any hammers are fine, rocket+cluster, ricochet, piercing, hazard are all good

[icy nacelle]

starting with aphro, and high confidence cuz i'm insane

[vital night]

Hestia can no hit so high confidence is a fine pick yeah

[icy nacelle]

lol i cleared tart in 3.26

also i got tidal dash at the last minute, honestly considering changing it to divine dash but eh

[vital night]

Gamer

Tidal dash is really strong for crowd control on hestia but it is a more aggressive pick

Ddash potentially good for safety yeah

[icy nacelle]

yeah i've decided to shoot for breaking wave to power through styx

[icy nacelle]

16:55.80

sounds slow still ngl

but it's enough for td3 ig

[vital night]

Gamer

It’s ok

Tdash start gets a much faster Tartarus and you’ll only get better

[tight basin]

If that's your first speed attempt that's still solid

Under td3 is a good starting point

[fervent rose]

Hi guys! Any fun and easy "proc city" type build?

[plain river]

Like you mean flat damage soup ish?

Eris rail with lightning strike and tidal dash sounds like your jam

look for static discharge from zeus

[knotty lark]

my thighs are chaffed

[brisk adder]

For Eris, better to try for tdash first or Zeus attack? What goes on special?

[proper furnace]

Zeus attack start much better

Special is ideally arty or aphro but any % works

Pos less so cuz knockback but it should work

[brisk adder]

Okay cool, thank you!

[proper furnace]

I think some people have done tidal dash start but modded for the guaranteed rocket bomb

But is not the usual

[brisk adder]

Gotcha, best hammers for Eris is rocket bomb and cluster bomb?

[proper furnace]

Correct

Delta chamber is its best defensive option

As it keeps iframes on dash strikes

Stuff like triple bomb/targeting system still work

[brisk adder]

Gotcha, thank you!

[proper furnace]

Hazard bomb is a meme if you ever wanna pick that

You can iframe the explosion to get the buff w/o dmh

[brisk adder]

Oh good to know! Thank you

[jolly chasm]

Tdash start my beloved

[brisk adder]

Best heat selection for heat 16 using zagbow?

[worn solar]

Td3 em3 uc1 bp1 ig start tdash incase you get savior numbskulls and in general cuz tdash gud

[brisk adder]

Thank you!

[brisk adder]

That's 13 heat 😭

[worn solar]

Aint it 6 + 6 + 2 + 2 heat

[brisk adder]

When you say td 3, do you mean max?

[worn solar]

Yeah

[brisk adder]

You're right, I was configuring it wrong, sorry!

[brisk adder]

Does Guan Yu essentially play like zag bow with charged skewer?

[tight basin]

More or less lmao

It's also compared to hestia often

[brisk adder]

Yeah I see that too actually

[worn solar]

Hestias quite a lot more mobile and less likely to get you oneshot tho

[primal brook]

can't get oneshot if you don't get hit https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[nimble canyon]

is there a clear strongest bow

[jolly chasm]

Hera is best bow for speed, Rama is best for heat

Chiron is 4th best bow fr fr

[nimble canyon]

hmm, i guess ill save up blood for rama next, seems fun

i maxed out zag and chiron first

[jolly chasm]

Zag bow is also pretty good, only Chiron is kind of bad

[clever mason]

Zag bow is a great value bow. If bows are your thing (weapon wise) it’s only 5 blood to max and you can farm lots of heat for more blood/diamonds. It also emphasizes the good habit of dash striking every time for high dps with little punishment for avoiding damage because you are generally far from enemies.

[brisk adder]

Is arty attack better for Achilles than Aphro attack?

[jolly chasm]

Yes

[brisk adder]

Why?

[jolly chasm]

Crits strong plus hunting blades pre req

[brisk adder]

Okay cool, thank you!

[brisk adder]

What's better for Achilles as first hammer? Triple jab or extended jab?

[lucid oar]

Extended but you really want flurry as your first hammer

[vital night]

Basically aphro would be ~90% additive on top of 150% additive, which is fine. However, arty would be 3x the 150 for crits, which you can scale up with PP/HM

So basically when you have additive already, crits scale up better than more additive

[brisk adder]

I know but it's down to the rng gods if they want to give me 😭

[brisk adder]

Gotcha, thank you!

[plain river]

“Generally far from the enemies” ~

Oh I mean for initially learning dash striking sure

The more you use zag bow the closer and closer it gets to just being a melee weapon that can also hit far away things

[plain river]

The boost from a crit multiplying your (attack + 150% attack damage+ other additive) is so much larger than (attack +200% attack damage + other additive), and crit only scales w/ more chaos boons. +hunting blades ++ mirage shot /hunters mark on any cast builds

[clever mason]

Totally agree. It’s the most forgiving “melee” weapon. Once you have the muscle memory and enemy patterns down, it transfers to the other weapons. Also dash strike significantly lowers the charge time for the bow. Again, it all scaffolds to better play in the most of hades.

[plain river]

👍

speaking of bow dash strikes

Actually I’m probably going to be found dead in a back alley somewhere if I send the clip I use to demonstrate the bow dash-striking makes bow way more enjoyable, potent and safe

[jolly chasm]

What, who would do that? ||Me||

[nimble canyon]

whats the easiest way to get the pierced butterfly steam achievement

dodge stacking? spawn killing with stuff like chain lightning and support fire?

maybe a flurry shot build

[lucid oar]

Hestia and guan yu are the most popular builds

Both allow you to kill enemies safely

[tired crypt]

any good builds for shield of zeus?

[vital night]

Zeus on special, static discharge, double strike

Explosive return

From there you’re kinda flexible

Dio call is really good but Zeus call or dio on attack also work

Earring scales you really well if you’re running stubborn defiance

[tired crypt]

thanks man

[vital night]

@mint jewel

[primal brook]

Technically speaking with Rama if you use the skelly companion you can oneshot bosses and bypass their phases.

You could use shared suffering on skelly and the boss then blast him with a super ultra mega powershot that deals zillions of damage which would kill the boss instantly.

Although realistically outside of routed (and even then meg is probably better) it's functionally just a meat shield. Good for beginners but something that falls by the wayside when you start using tight deadline.

[proper furnace]

Skelly for erebus gates

[primal brook]

Or you could just use meg/than in erebus gates to kill basically everything in it

[proper furnace]

So true

Mostly memeing for the one time I saw a super elite B.ball there

[primal brook]

Absolutely fair

[vital night]

Lmao true

[quick lantern]

Should I buy items in the well of Charon or is there something else I should be saving my gold coins for

[tight basin]

depends what the items are and how much gold you have

like light of ixion is generally a pretty good buy

jerkies are situational

braids and stones depends on the aspect

the only thing you're saving your gold for are like boons and poms in shops, hearts if you need it

so if you're pretty broke then maybe dont buy the stuff in the well lmao

[warm saffron]

buying diamonds and titan’s blood from Charon’s shop in the Temple of Styx is also a good investment if you can afford it

[primal brook]

Yes if you have charon keepsake. It's awesome.

[bronze compass]

i know it is probably an "i unga therefore i bunga" strat but i am fond of zag fists and the lambent plume, and like throw on greater evasion for funsies, and by the end you can just kinda stand in a kamehameha blast and not take damage. i think that's silly in the best way possible

[jolly chasm]

It is possible to get over 100% dodge chance iirc

[tight basin]

yeah im pretty sure it's possible as a permanent boost, not even temporary

[bronze compass]

i remember hearing that too, but if my understanding is correct the percentages don't add together, they are separate chances to dodge.

[jolly chasm]

I could have sworn it was additive

[bronze compass]

it has been a while since i've played maybe there was a balance change

[proper furnace]

dodge is additive yeah

[bronze compass]

that seems odd cuz anything after 100 wouldn't do anything

unless there are certain attacks that can ignore a percentage of dodge

[proper furnace]

nah after 100% you just can't take dmg

[jolly chasm]

Btw, if you are wondering why we don't use it for super high heat, it is a combo of being too slow to get going, no build control, too slow in general and is beaten up by ap2

[tight basin]

also assuming you rng into a good-ish build, you can't take acorn into ely or dad fight

[bronze compass]

ap2?

[tight basin]

approval process 2

[bronze compass]

ah, thank you

[primal brook]

There are a handful of exceptions (like the blade disk in the satyr temple) but it's extremely rare to get 100% dodge and only by the end of the run if things are perfect.

[worldly patio]

what do u guys think is the best way to get titan blood??

[primal brook]

most consistant or fastest?
for consistant do the bounties for weapons you're good at and get as many wins as possible (trade ambrosia for titan blood, trade diamonds for ambrosia)
for fastest do the bounties for your fastest weapon then invest titanblood into an aspect you're going to go faster with then complete the bounties for that.

each run you'd get about 3.5 titan blood (1 from meg, 0.5 from lernie, heroes 1 ambrosia=1 tit blood, 1 tit from dad)

also save up at least 15 keys for wretched broker to trade for titan blood if it becomes available

[worldly patio]

i am good at using aspect of zues. is it good??

[tired niche]

looking at the guide in the pins it does seem pretty effective if you level it up
but i like to say that the one you have the most experience with / use the best will likely get you more success

[primal brook]

I can assure you it is very good. Zeus is easily the most consistent weapon for survivability in heat.

[brisk adder]

How best to build Rama?

||also, quite a while ago, I saw someone post a picture in victory boasting with the lyre as a weapon, is that a thing? I can't find any information about it||

[jolly chasm]

No, lyre is not a weapon

[brisk adder]

I thought so

Thanks!

[tight basin]

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs - thanks mike

Thanks MiKE

[brisk adder]

Thanks Mike!

[abstract oriole]

does blood frenzy activates if its gathered after I die?

this is a h1 question, thank you bot

[vital night]

Wdym

It’s per room

[tight basin]

it's per room

oh lmao

[vital night]

Lmao

[abstract oriole]

?

wait

the death challenging perk is per room?

idk if thats its name, my game isn't in english

[tight basin]

blood frenzy gives you a damage boost whenever you die

so you have to die in the room in order to get the bonus

it resets after you beat the room basically

[abstract oriole]

oh, its only in the room I die

[tight basin]

yes

[abstract oriole]

thats bad

[tight basin]

it's good against bosses

mostly the last one

[vital night]

It’s good when you’re running stubborn defiance

[tight basin]

bc youre likely to die once there

[vital night]

Bc you can proc it basically every room

[abstract oriole]

dk what that means

[abstract oriole]

died at hydra lol

hope I even get to last guy alive

why bot always tells us to go to h2?

[tight basin]

some people go in here talking about h2

[vital night]

It’s a death defiance that refreshes every room

[tight basin]

happened enough times that they implemented the bot to always have a reminder at the bottom of the chat

doesn't happen anymore so either people learned to go to the right channel or they say the bot

[abstract oriole]

ooh, thats why

[vital night]

If you click on death defiance in the mirror, it’ll switch to stubborn

[abstract oriole]

its not tied to any words or sm

[vital night]

Nah

It just tries to keep it as the most recent message

[clever mason]

Does anyone use stubborn defiance regularly?

[proper furnace]

Is used pretty regularly at 32+ heat along with the no healing pact

Makes rooms a lot easier for demanding a bit more practice at boss fights

[clever mason]

Ah I see now. Death defiance was just something I took and haven’t reconsidered because death defiance was pretty awesome. But I’m no where near 32+ heat

[jagged flicker]

Does Aphrodite have any advantages?

She seems like the most garbage of the gods.

Artemis is a close second

Everyone else at least has some decent tricks up their sleeve, but those two are trash imho

[quick lantern]

Just got the option for Heroic Drunken dash but I alr have epic divine dash (I’m using the two fists) What should I do?

[plain river]

Absolutely

She has the highest +% buffs for strike and special, so higher base damage weapons love her. Her cast is easily the best on the bow’s aspect of Hera, crit builds like nem and zag bow always love her for the consistent additive and heart rend, and she combos with zeus call /zeus in general for the strong smouldering air duo

weaken is just a strong debuff, 30% dr is hefty

her trick is just being the raw numbers you want which easily places her above most other +% goddesses (we don’t talk about poseidon for +%) in 90% of cases

+% refering to any god(dess) who gives additive damage bonuses to your strike & special with their core boons, essentially everyone who isn’t zeus, dionysus and ares

[lucid oar]

Bit late but dont take the swap

[quick lantern]

Preciate it🙏

[jolly chasm]

Also, why we bashing Arty?

Arty is arguably the strongest god in the game

Crits are so dumb in this game

[jagged flicker]

Really? 😳

Dionysus and Demeter became my faves.

Dionysus' festive fog might as well be an instant win button

And Demeter's special decimates anything

Poseidon and Hermes are useful support gods. 🙂

Zeus and Achiles are okay alternatives if Dionysus, Demeter and Poseidon are not available

[vital night]

Aphro is better on special

[jolly chasm]

What’s so special about Demeter special?

[plain river]

Drmeter is kinda

poseidon 2 in terms of meh-ness

[clever mason]

I think the way he is playing is utilizing utility to beat the game vs raw numbers. Which is cool because not everyone is speed running.

The growth curve (putting poms on abilities) for aphro and atry is the best. There are charts floating around that show this.

I find it difficult to tell which scales better because arty is bursty but aphro is consistent. Also it depends which weapon they are using. Ticks weapons are great with fists vs bow.

[plain river]

Tbh the consistency of aphro really sells her

Consistency takes you miles

Bursty ends up with you taking extra hits to kill things most of the time and way over killing enemies some of the time

[vital night]

wdym utility

also he said it decimates, which sounds like a numbers judgement to me

[clever mason]

Yeah but gambling is 🤩!
I think you’ve convinced me to take more consistency on nem sword and fists.

[vital night]

gambling for what tho

[clever mason]

Big crits

[vital night]

arty is the real gamble

oh yeah that's fair

I'd only take arty if you have other additive

(hunter dash)

arty is really best with PP and HM

[clever mason]

Maybe he is dotting with Dionysus and nade spamming round obstacles? I assume freezing with Demeter.

[vital night]

ice wine is good ig

[lucid oar]

Artemis deniers are just 1 special away from winning big

[jagged flicker]

Poseidon pushes monsters away. Makes me feel strong 🙂

Ares cuts monsters like butter. Makes me feel strong 🙂

Zeus makes lighting bounce. Fun to watch

Demeter decimates everyone who dares look at me funny. Makes me feel super strong.

Dionysus just let's me nuke stuff

[plain river]

Ares zeus and dionysus are different categories from the other 5

[jagged flicker]

I dunno bros, I think Aphro and Arty need to work on:

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-presentation-cool-dramatic-behold-gif-4559759

[vital night]

Dead stuff can’t hurt you idk

[plain river]

They shouldn’t really be compared to arty, aprho, or the other +# goddesses because in their flat damage nature they end up boosting a lot of what +% doesn’t. +% works well on the chunky slower hits of weapons where the flat damage added by ares/dionysus/zeus work so much better on fists and rail

[vital night]

Doom isn’t even that good without merciful end as a main source of damage

[plain river]

it’s a matter of application

[vital night]

And dio is underwhelming without a global boost

You’d rather have his call as an accessory damage source

[tight basin]

sometimes it doesn't need to be flashy to be good lmao

also big numbers can be good presentation

[jolly chasm]

I still don't know where your love for Demeter comes from

[clever mason]

What weapons are you using with Demeter? I’ve never felt powerful with her boons before

[primal brook]

nope, although I usually play without mirror XD

[vital night]

lmao

[clever mason]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[primal brook]

I generally run high heat

[clever mason]

I’m assuming that the 64 in your username is the heat you run

[primal brook]

yep, changed it when I finally got it (using the standard speedrunning modpack)

back in the old speedcord the nicknames for bai and angel had 64 in them so I thought I'd continue the trend (and decided to keep it as my discord name)

[analog mauve]

yeah the number after the name is the heat you run

a

[lucid oar]

Same

[plain river]

Based

[clever mason]

Hmm I wonder if we could get heat numbers flairs …. So I get a big fat 1….

(I’m assuming h2 has heat as well right?)

[vital night]

||it’s called fear, but yeah||

[tight basin]

Ngl when I did my mirror less run it was kinda fun but that was only bc I didn't have hl5 on lmao

[clever mason]

Press F to pay respects

[primal brook]

I don't like the idea of heat flairs (although I rarely interact with this community so it doesn't make a difference much to me).

[tight basin]

even if they were added i dont think anyone's gonna fact check who got what heat clear unless it's 64 heat lmao

[vital night]

omw to walk around with a 2 heat flair

[jolly chasm]

Real

[plain river]

or like -34

[vital night]

69

oh i gotta have a 69 heat vod on my channel at some point

probably 62 with more CF and HL 🤔

[sterile whale]

hello! just getting back into hades after a super long hiatus. good weapons and boons to stick to? maybe good meta builds rn? just wanna catch a win to build some confidence (been playing alot of hades 2 recently so still kinda in the groove of the game)

[worn solar]

Id take a look at the build guide in the pins, in general the meta stuff is nem for sword, achilles spear, bows that aint chiron, beo shield, dem fists, and eris/hestia rails

[tired crypt]

Any demeter aspect builds?

[warped prairie]

got some nice build advice for arthur?

[plain river]

for all fists you can do merciful end, which entails ares strike, athena special (to unlock the duo), athena dash (to deflect your dooms quickly) and the merciful end duo

demeter just happens to be the best at using it as the best fist

you can also do a mix of zap fists or drunken fists with a very similiar set up either where

you take zeus on strike, aphrodite on special, look for dionysus or zeus call, look for static discharge, just take more zeus boons and get smouldering air

or dionyus on strike, aphro special, pom the crap out of your strike and then you can kinda take curse of vengeance from ares for curse of nausea, or take zeus on call for smouldering air again

and both of those will do stellar with tidal dash from poseidon

so you have a lot of options after your first 2 gods

[plain river]

Arthur specific is just use a big +% for strike, like artemis or aphrodite. artemis will stack way better with swords hammers like breaching and shadow slash, and chaos /hermes additive damage, but aphrodite will be some solid consistent bonuses

if you go artemis, find aphrodite special and rock out heart rend for bosses, and find hunter's mark to chain your inconsistent crits a bit more consistently

with aphrodite in your build you can always take zeus call for smouldering air

[warped prairie]

that was also on my mind too but i think like a athena/ artemis build for more defence like athena speiceal and their duo boon they wouldnt have that much damage for sure but it would have more defence

but your idea is also pretty solid

[plain river]

you could also swap athena and artemis so athena's on strike just given

athena's superior additive +%

ofc then you'd need deadly reversal for any crits to happen

[warped prairie]

yeah thats why i prefer deadly strike over it even tho it has a bit lower damage i can crit way more often combined with hunters mark

[plain river]

and artemis/athena kind of has a lot more easily opennable bad duos to get in your way of finding what you want than arte/aphro

as long as you have anything with a solid crit chance

hunter's mark should carry your critting by itself over arte strike

so the +20% from deadly reversal would go just as far

[warped prairie]

thanks for the advice bro

[plain river]

honestly like

either are good options, I would probably go for artemis strike

[warped prairie]

me too

[worn solar]

If you want defense then use aphrodite attack and ddash aphro gives a lot of damage reduction especially with broken resolve

[warped prairie]

thats also a good idea but i dont really have much crit then

[worn solar]

You dont really need crit, if you want to supplement damage get zeus call and smouldering air

[warped prairie]

oke i know i dont always need the do crit builds but it gives me a smile when i crit 1200 on a single hit

[plain river]

It’s often better for your avg hit to kill things rather than some of your hits to do way more damage

especially when arthur has

It’s big hit every 3 hits

But tbh with sword’s hammers you can get insane additive

[novel plaza]

The last Pact condition I need for 15 Titan blood is approval process

How do I made a build that is not tough to run with that condition?

[jolly chasm]

What aspects do you have leveled up?

[worn solar]

Dont you only need to do approval process 1

Or is it both ranks

[jolly chasm]

Ap1 only iirc

[vital night]

Hestia aphro attack start

Eris Zeus is viable too

Ap1 isn’t that bad

[plain river]

It’s only bad when you stack it with everything else

[vital night]

I’m assuming ap1 is the only condition being used here yeah

(But it’s honestly not that bad at 50)

[jolly chasm]

Yeah, Ap1 is okay, it's ap2 that sucks at high heat

[novel plaza]

I have Nemesis maxed, but it’s a bit scattershot from there

[jolly chasm]

Nem should be fine to use as long as you get Tdash start and Dedge

[novel plaza]

What are those?

[jolly chasm]

Tidal dash from Poseidon, and double edge hammer

[novel plaza]

Ok

[surreal venture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237778253465518144/1258007451555467315/image.png?ex=66867a3d&is=668528bd&hm=abe3ca91a55fe5db71980f10841ad50cf84cc1a73060d4f3bc64cb37ed42a716&

what the hell am i supposed to do with this

hazard bomb hestia

wacky ahh build

[copper valley]

hello, speed talk
what is the name for the Beowulf Shield tech?

ok Sticky

[jolly chasm]

Which one?

There is quite a few to pick from

[worn solar]

Its not the fastest but its not particularly weird on hestia since its the longest range rail, aint no eris hazard. Doom special on hazard is kinda bad tho. Why you start ares anyways

[surreal venture]

shrug

[worn solar]

[plain river]

Starting ares on a rail is just

not the biggest brain play

unless it’s like merciful end zag rail

[jolly chasm]

Spread fire my beloved

[plain river]

Which still ain’t that big brain of a play given it’s inconsistency but it works

[tight basin]

Which one lmao

Like what is your goal with the tech

[analog mauve]

Eris doom attack is good as well

[copper valley]

the opti one with water and arrow

[plain river]

Like mirage shot being bugged to deal 100% base damage instead of 30%? The Artemis (arrow) + Poseidon (water) duo boon?

[copper valley]

yep

there is a specific name for the tech?

[vital night]

The tech is just mirage tech

It’s more of a bug so people call it mirage bug

I think idk. I don’t play beo

[plain river]

It’s just mirage bug

[copper valley]

thank

[jolly chasm]

It's not really a tech, but more a part of the build

[plain river]

It’s a bug in game code that works for all the regular “flare” boons minus thunder flare and icy flare

[copper valley]

also, I don't know how hard was the amount of wrong channel posting but you need to fix that poor Sticky Bot

[plain river]

Tech is more like something you can do rather than just a bug on a boon

[plain river]

sticky bot isn’t broken

It does exactly what it’s supposed to

It keeps it’s message at the bottom of chat so newcomers can see it

[jolly chasm]

There was A LOT of wrong channel posting

[copper valley]

!

[jolly chasm]

Less now due to stickybot

[plain river]

it doesn’t care about what other people have posted recently, just the fact that it’s message needs to be visible

[copper valley]

ok

[jolly chasm]

Although, I had hoped that the tech they were talking about was scooting 😦

I love telling people about scooting

[plain river]

Less now due to it being H2 and H1 I think as well

As opposed to Hades and Hades 2

[vital night]

I honestly thought it was scooting too

It’s just dash striking after first dash so cshot can come out right after the second dash right

[jolly chasm]

Yes

It's so much fun

[vital night]

That’s what’s holding me back from a sub 5 fr

[rigid surge]

https://imgur.com/a/YTvF5cn is it worth skiping shops if i have this?

[potent tree]

No. The 5% doesn't really stack with anything else

[vital night]

not if you want a lower time or struggling with tight deadline

and hoarding slash is pretty minimal in its benefit anyways

you really want double edge>breaching slash>>>everything else

[rigid surge]

i mean, i didn't really have much choice

[tight basin]

Either way if you pick up hoarding you just don't play around it

It's not worth it

[vital night]

fair, just don't change how you play if you get hoarding

[rigid surge]

thx for your help

[rigid surge]

i'm a tboi player money = power is always big

(in tboi)

[tight basin]

No clue what that means but sure

[rigid surge]

the binding of isaac

[tight basin]

Oh well

It's not the case here

5% is so small and the bonus damage doesn't get any modifiers

It's just a flat boost so it won't get affected by like Aphrodite % Buff

[vital night]

yeah

[sterile whale]

if i have an artemis boom for attack and her dash boon (the one for dash strike) when i dash strike does it benefit from both boons? or one or the other type situation?

[jolly chasm]

Both!

It's one of the reasons why dashstrikes are very strong

[sterile whale]

Ahhhh i see

yeah i just did a full crit run with rama and ohhhh boy

[plain river]

Absolutely not

[rigid surge]

Kinda late but thx anyways lol

[plain river]

Imagine money = power if it had 1/5 of the actual impact on your damage and your fire rate was thru the floor

it’s genuinely just far better to spend your money

Even at 5000 obols I was hurting for damage when I ran it with double edge to double my dash strikes and get double value from hoarding slash

[rigid surge]

Wym fire rate thru the floor?

[plain river]

way lower than normal

[rigid surge]

Ah yes

[plain river]

3700* obols (+185 damage), not 5000, I misremembered which run got how many obols

the 5000 runs were different weapons than sword

[worn solar]

Aint that basically +600% damage tho, does hoarding crit

Or is this arthur

[primal brook]

no hoarding can't crit

The weapon can crit but the value for hoarding will only be additive

[primal brook]

[3700*0.05%=185% so +1.85x damage (which means your first standing strike will do +37)] - THIS COMMENT IS WRONG

[worn solar]

I thought it converted to flat damage

[primal brook]

nope, it's percentage I'm pretty sure

will find an example

https://youtu.be/Z3d82nGfCOw?feature=shared&t=3421
Wait you're right, 505 for standing strike with 9000 gold. 9000*0.05=450 so that'd make sense.

[plain river]

Hoarding is extra damage

It’s added post all additive and crit bonuses

It’s similiar to Merciful End’s flat 40 damage

those are the 2 cases of Extra damage in Hades

[worn solar]

Yeah but absent of crits theres nothing else to multiply it so itd be equivalent to +600% since base sword damage is 30

[plain river]

~ it felt like crap

idk

it was probably better than I’m creditting it

[long ore]

hi, couple technical questions about dashing.

• how long (exactly) is the iframe window from dashing?
• does divine dash extend this window, and if so, by how long?
• my understanding of divine dash is that it doesn't give iframes on dash-strike, but it deflects enough attacks that most people think it does. is there a list of attacks for which this DOESN'T work, and damage gets through while dash-striking? (e.g. lernie head slams)

[analog mauve]

Shockwaves can't be deflected

[primal brook]

don't know the iframe window (I think it's like 1.5 centoseconds or 0.15 seconds)
divine dash doesn't extend the window but does shield you from most attacks and destroys most projectiles that can't be deflected.
dashstriking also stops the iframes

[analog mauve]

I rmemeebcr having these exact same questions months ago and still don't know the answers

[proper furnace]

Dash iframes are always the ✨vibes ✨

[plain river]

Tbf

The heck are you doing with the info the a dash iframes is 0.15 seconds

Just satisfying interest ig but

There isn’t really a good way to translate the metric amount of time it is into raw game feel

[clever mason]

I guess follow up question would be, what part of the dash are you getting iframes?

I didn’t know that lernie head slams aren’t reflectable. Good to know.

[analog mauve]

how many parts does a dash have?

[vital night]

Every part that you’re dashing I think

[long ore]

150ms vs something like 250ms or 300ms does change how i think about the dash and try to use iframes

• lernie head slams
• EM3 asterius slams
• EM3 chariot hurtbox
• dad swipes
• skull shockwaves
• various fury AOEs
• maaaybe greatshield AOEs

^ attacks off the top of my head that will damage through dash-striking w/ divine dash

[clever mason]

I knew there was a reason I hated the greatshields!

[long ore]

that's one among several reasons for me

[proper furnace]

Elysium stinky

[worn solar]

when an attack is deflected the hitbox disappears, stuff like dad swipes and skull shockwaves arent deflectable so youll aways get hit if you dash strike

[long ore]

that helps a lot, thank you

[plain river]

ig. I may just be too much of a “feel” guy for that sort of thinking

I also don’t have the numbers for enemy attack timings in my head nor whatever they are with forced overtime 2

Big supporter of “they can’t hit you if you just aren’t there” rather than iframing

(I mean just dash out earlier than the telegraphs, not staying at range 24/7)

[deep badger]

is a common hyper sprint better than plus 3 dashes?

[jolly chasm]

What weapon and which Hermes is it?

[primal brook]

In regards to high heat I'd say +3dashes has more utility (more dashes=more iframes). In regards to speedy anyheat with the exception of ME builds (and maybe a couple other things) hypersprint is always the better option on your first hermes since it opens "rush delivery" which increases your damage by a value = to your speed.
For surviving though it's up to you, hypersprint gives some damage resistance when sprinting but dashes gives more iframes/movement.

[deep badger]

i ended up getting both lol

[plain river]

What weapon is it? Heat?

Like you’ll get get significantly less dps value out of greatest reflex on bow then on every other weapon, but at high enough heat you way just be looking to take greatest reflex for the defensive value/ or ig if you have tidal dash you still get good value

[sterile whale]

fated persuasion vs fated authority? i think ive been liking the reroll rooms more but wondering what other people like

im just finding it sooo hard to build for some reason, like ill start with a poseidon boon (keepsake) and then literally never see poseidon for the rest of the run

[primal brook]

I suggest you do persuasion, dark foresight and fill up your pool of 4 gods (get 3 other gods after poseidon so that only those 4 gods can show up naturally).

[sterile whale]

hm ive been doing that, and i end up getting an absurd amount of the second god that i pickup's boons

especially ares oh boy ares always shows up

maybe its just bad luck :/

[plain river]

That’s just rng

[sterile whale]

womp womp

guess i should get better luck lol

[plain river]

Persuasion works a ton better tbh

Authority is a shot in that dark at maybe getting a boon from the god you’re looking for

Stupid low chance you get what you want

Persuasion has giga value on hermes, chaos, and whichever your main god is whenever you find one of their boons, and you can also spend rerolls on wells and purging pools as needed

purging pools and wells do actually become a load more relevant the farther you get in the game

[worn solar]

Rerolling doors to get a specific god only really works at miniboss doors with a full god pool and then it could just give you 3 boons you dont want

[sacred halo]

hey! I was wondering if anyone could give me a good Beowulf build.

[primal brook]

general speedrun meta is start poseidon cast (using infernal soul), pom the hell out of it, try to get charged shot hammer, get artemis attack and get the mirage shot duo boon (beowulf is bugged so that mirage shot shoots its extra projectile with 1x damage rather than 0.3x damage as long as it isn't demeter's or using a demeter duoboon)

[sacred halo]

ty!

[deep badger]

beowulf 13 heat (em4)

i don’t know how well hyper sprint works on beowulf so i took the dashes

[plain river]

Well it’s a matter of how well rush delivery works and as long as you dash after the rush but before the casts hit anything

since there’s a bit of delay from the rush to the casts casting

[deep badger]

oh

i was trying to dash before and get the casts out as fast as i could

that makes more sense

[sterile whale]

should i take rare crop in elysium?

idk if the chambers on the floor after wlysium count as encounters

[analog mauve]

they do

each of the small rooms count as encounters

[sterile whale]

then i def take epic rare crop lol

[carmine trout]

Hello, does anyone know what is the best build for the spear? lance first game

[sterile whale]

if i have hang over on my attack, and hangover on my special, how does the damaging ticks for hangover work? i noticed that they each have different dps

[analog mauve]

the latest hangover source overwrites

so its best to have only 1 source of hangover because the weaker source will always screw over your main hangover source

[civic yoke]

could someone help me with the aegis shield minotaur rush? in order to get the 500% damage bonus with it, i have to attack on a flash of light, but im not seeing any flashes of light

[sterile whale]

concentrated volley or relentles volley on chiron? i got both offered and can only take one lol

lvl 3 chiron

[analog mauve]

whats on your special

[sterile whale]

lvl 8 hangover

and working towards getting weak on my atk but i alread yhave the duo

[worn solar]

Its about when the bullrush indicator reaches its max range

[worn solar]

Late but conc adds 45* base damage per special with 6 arrows (3+6+9+12+15), while relentless adds 40 base damage. Also relentless increases the duration of the special animation so conc is better

[sterile whale]

Ahhh i see thanks! i ended up winning with relentless but its good to know the math behind it

[worldly patio]

does anyone know what is a good build with the shield of chaos aspect of beowulf??

[plain river]

Yeah.

Lemme start with 3 pieces of information.

A) Flood Flare, poseidons cast boon on beowulf, has pretty great damage and aoe.

B) The mirage shot duo boon (poseidon + artemis) is bugged on every Flare boon aside from Thunder Flare and Icy Flare to do 100% base damage instead of 30%

C) The charged shot hammer takes your beowulf charging rate from uber slow to lightning speed while adjusting the base damage to always be way higher than it was before

Given those 3 pieces of information

Starting with poseidons keepsake for flood flare, taking artemis’s keepsake into asphodel to find her strike boon, and looking for their duo from there will work well

Cross your fingers for charged shot from your hammers.

[jolly chasm]

Chaos, wells, and poms are your best friend for scaling damage

[plain river]

You can also scale damage in the normal Hyper Sprint -> Rush delivery way from Hermes, you just need to dash after you use your bull rush

to get the bonus on your casts

[jolly chasm]

We should just link the BigP guide tbh

[plain river]

I like talking about Hades sometimes rather than just linking guides 😔

But also

Those were created expressly for copy pasta-ing so you don’t have to

trade-offs trade-offs

[jolly chasm]

Agreed, however the BigP guide is nice because they can watch, and then come herre with any questions

So, we still get to talk about Hades, they get a great guide, and can get any questions answered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDHLOptrE-0

[plain river]

but what if BigP was just too good at explaining and they have 0 questions

[deep badger]

is there a reason to take poseidons cast other than being a prerequisite for mirage shot?

[lucid oar]

Big aoe

Compared to hunters flare

[deep badger]

so poseiden and artemis are the only two gods youre supposed to get?

[lucid oar]

You want to fill your god pool but those are the main ones you want

Out of the other gods, the best ones to have in this build are Demeter, Dionysus and Athena

[plain river]

I mentioned the great damage and aoe right? Plus it means you don’t need to rely on a specific third god

[plain river]

You want to fill your god pool to 4, it’s just poseidon and artemis are the only ones you’re going out of your way to acquire

[jolly chasm]

The only god you really don’t want to see is Zeus

[lucid oar]

I don’t like aphro either

Ares is just fine

[jolly chasm]

Same

Ares is pretty meh

[tight basin]

CoD beo tho

[jolly chasm]

Get out

[tight basin]

Lmfao

[sharp wasp]

Demeter and Athena and Zeus are my fav with any kind of weapon. Other Gods work depending on which weapon you're using.

[lucid oar]

Zeus kinda sucks for flood flare Beowulf because all his boons are pommable, dont benefit the build and all his cores open duos

[vagrant crane]

zeus atk truthers

[plain river]

RoD beowulf believers

[vital night]

MEowulf revolutionaries

[sterile whale]

how does dire misfortunes work? i dont see any kind of like stacking indicator i just see the doom symbol

i was using aspect of chiron with ares on special for context

i won the run but literally couldnt tell if doom was stacking

[lucid oar]

There’s no indicator except the fact that the doom damage should be noticeably higher, especially on chiron

[royal pewter]

im kinda new ish to the game

i just unlocked my first like upgrade thingy for the shield

what is like the best thing i can get

[vital night]

Charged shot

[royal pewter]

no i mean like

aspect of zues

zeus

mb

and chaos

[vital night]

They’re all pretty good except chaos

Zeus is one of my favorite aspects

[royal pewter]

i mean i can either upgrade zagreus

or unlock zeus

so i might just get zeus

[jolly chasm]

Yeah, Zeus is pretty good

[tight basin]

@burnt halo ME makes doom drop instantly whenever you hit the enemy with something that deflects

It just also does 40 more bonus damage lmao

[burnt halo]

im confused on how thats good. am i missing smthn

[tight basin]

So typically you'd have doom on the attack, deflect on the special, and then deflect on the das

So dash strikes instantly drop doom

Once you get the duo at least

[jolly chasm]

If you have Athena dash and Ares attack and you dashstrike doom procs

[tight basin]

The deflect on the special is to open the duo bc it has very strict prereqs

[jolly chasm]

Also impending doom just gives a 60% damage bonus

[tight basin]

https://youtu.be/oAmiXa4CMAw?si=DXUuT39PTP1-I1De

Video example

[burnt halo]

so besacly all it does is just make doom drop faster?

[jolly chasm]

Makes doom drop instantly

[tight basin]

"faster" is an understatement yeah lmao

It's instant

And doom damage is pretty strong (given not common)

Impending doom is free big damage, hyper sprint + rush delivery is also huge

More dashes from Hermes too is massive

Bc you dash strike in the game so much, ME is just so strong and intuitive

[burnt halo]

i will try that on excalibur since it sounds cool, thanks for the build info!

[analog mauve]

nooo

[tight basin]

I would not do it on Arthur

[analog mauve]

[tight basin]

Arthur uses dash strikes but you don't dash through enemies, which you want to do on ME

At least most of the time you don't do that on Arthur

Pick any other sword lmao

[burnt halo]

oh ok thennnn uhhh probs fists with the cool magentic special

[tight basin]

Sure

Just don't use the special lmao

[analog mauve]

😭

[tight basin]

You'll get more DPS not using it majority of the time

[burnt halo]

oh.

[tight basin]

A Talos specialist said that even with all the Talos techs, it underperforms Demeter unfortunately lmfao

[burnt halo]

im rly bad at choosing stuff huh

[tight basin]

I mean ME will still work

[burnt halo]

then ill buy demeter

[tight basin]

But the special won't be doing anything for you

You don't have to tbh but you can if you want

[burnt halo]

i just want smthn fun to use ngl

[tight basin]

If you find Talos fun you can use it

[potent tree]

Having fun

[burnt halo]

is there any FUN weapons

[tight basin]

Fun is subjective

[potent tree]

Fun is futile! Join the Borg!

[tight basin]

Some people like the non meta aspects lmao

Even tho they're well aware what they like isn't good

[burnt halo]

cause like beowulf mirage shot is just kinda. "BOOM" and you insta win

[tight basin]

If you like high damage stuff then you'd like something like eris/hestia clockets

Achilles hunting blades or lightning phalanx

Hera crush shot

Crit nemesis maybe

ME on most melee aspects

Rama if you get the right hammers

Luci triple bomb

[potent tree]

Hestia by itself is quite fun. It's literally just a bolt-action sniper rifle

[tight basin]

A lot of stuff can have pretty high DPS

Won't be as high as Beowulf majority of the time tho lmao

But beo is beo

Casts have good scaling options and also beo has a 100% damage bug lmao

And massive aoe

[potent tree]

Beowulf is a bazooka you frantically dash around with and frantically load

[tight basin]

But Achilles did get the first sub5 and eris is one of the most well known speed aspects outside of the community

Croven used to hold the wr for Hera for a long time

And would bop the person who beat his old record within like 3 days lmao

He stopped playing for that now but back then it was hilarious

[jolly chasm]

I still can't believe Croven did it 3 times

like who let him get away with that?

[tight basin]

Idk but it was hilarious

[jolly chasm]

I still feel bad for BigP, he finally got his WR and then loses it in 2 days

[tight basin]

Rip ocaml, ocke, and bigp tho lmao

Yeah lmao

Ocmal had it less than a day iirc

[potent tree]

Aw. That must really kinda sting

[tight basin]

Or like a bit more than 1 day

Yeah deeply unfortunate

Esp since it was on rama

Historical 5:26 rama tho

Unbeatable aspect record basically lmao

[jolly chasm]

The funny Camel man is truly insane

The 50 heat run is unbelievable

[tight basin]

Also that too lmao

[royal pewter]

is the aspect of poseidon sword worth or nah

[potent tree]

It's pretty fun as a lazy castpect

[winged kestrel]

Aspect of Arthur crit build my beloved

[analog mauve]

what is a crit build

[winged kestrel]

Artemis Boons give crit chance

That what the build relies on

@analog mauve

[analog mauve]

which one

artemis attack?

[winged kestrel]

Yeah

Up to 1100 dmg

With arthur

Is what I got

But it can go higher with some good chaos rng

Or other stuff

Idk

Or pomes

[plain river]

Eh

Not poms with artemis strike

You’re pretty much fully reliant on shadow slash, chaos, hermes, and heart rend from aphrodite to boost your damage further

[analog mauve]

Chaos is good enough

[worn solar]

Arty pom scaling kinda sucks

[vital night]

spec can take like 1-2 poms but that's about it

[potent tree]

Diminishing returns hit Artemis's boons hard

[barren ledge]

Is it "worth" going Merciful End on Arthur if I've just ended up stumbling on Ares and Athena boons

Guess I can try athena attack with ares special, spice it up a bit

[plain river]

Not much point

Arthur’s a bit slow to make use of Merciful End

and it’s so heavy it’s far better off with +%

[vital night]

Though Arthur is slow with everything so ME is one of the potential speed builds

Probably needs rod though

[jolly chasm]

Yeah, current Meta is to start Zeus cast and look for Tdash and Rod

[mortal coyote]

Anyone know a good/reliable keepsake to use? I've been having a hard time finding one that sticks

[analog mauve]

usual rotation goes god -> god -> acorn -> acorn generally i guess if youre looking to win

god depending on ur build

[mortal coyote]

Yeah that's what I was thinking

[vital night]

God, god/purse/earring/shackle/tooth, hourglass/earring/purse/acorn, acorn/tooth/sigil/earring

[analog mauve]

no one starts earring tooth

wtf

[lucid oar]

I do

[analog mauve]

you dont count

[lucid oar]

1 2 5

[analog mauve]

whar

[vital night]

It’s tart, aspho, ely, Styx

[analog mauve]

ohh

acorn/tooth/sigil/earring

[vital night]

I mean

Idk

[primal brook]

I think you mean: hourglass/hourglass/hourglass/hourglass

[pallid trellis]

Sisyphus's Shackles are good for the Tartarus if you're not sure what kinda build you wanna go

then I go God > Nyx's Shawl > and either Tooth or Earring or whatever Keepsake I think will help me the most against Hades. It depends on a lot of factors with the run. Sometimes I have like one DD left and wanna have Tooth as well. Maybe I have Positive Outlook to synergize with Earring. Maybe I go Acorn if nothing else seems particularly useful.

[potent tree]

Shawl stinky

[pallid trellis]

I specifically use it in Elysium because I fucjing HATE the shield enemies, ESPECIALLY Theseus

[worn solar]

The amount of damage it adds is pretty trivial

[pallid trellis]

you underestimate my sheer hatred for every single enemy with a shield

[analog mauve]

thats besides the point

shawl bonus is negligible

[worn solar]

It doesnt even do much against them is the thing

[analog mauve]

you would benefit from any other keepsake

[pallid trellis]

I use it for ONE region and I'm getting cancelled??

[analog mauve]

its not about you

[pallid trellis]

can't I just use it as praise for Mother Nyx?

[analog mauve]

its about shawl and how shawl is bad

[pallid trellis]

I will not stand for Shawl Slander

[worn solar]

Its just +20% additive damage worth like a pom or two only in specific circumstances

[pallid trellis]

but what about Achilles' Bracer?

[worn solar]

Also bad

[analog mauve]

another irrelevant keepsake

[pallid trellis]

I figured

[analog mauve]

before you ask yes thanatos keepsake sucks too

[pallid trellis]

right now I'm doing a cheesy Gilgamesh build that doesn't change keepsakes at all. I just use Hermes' keepsakes the entire run

[analog mauve]

it can be fun

[pallid trellis]

and I have Ruthless Reflex instead of Greater Reflex

but I'm never sure what God boons to use for it.

[worn solar]

Ruthless is also bad

Well for gilga its fine

[pallid trellis]

not with Gilgamesh

[analog mauve]

not on gilgamesh it isnt

[pallid trellis]

come on bro, pay attention

[worn solar]

No

[analog mauve]

🗣️

[jolly chasm]

But Gilga is bad so point still stands

[analog mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/he-has-a-point-gif-21949559

[pallid trellis]

it's a max dodge chance build. I like NEVER get hit

at first I tried it with Aspect of Zagreus and Greater Reflex but it just wasn't as good

[analog mauve]

i think thats not possible iirc

dodge caps out at 90% or something

[pallid trellis]

it's not fool proof

but it significantly raises my chances of clearing

[analog mauve]

get second wind from hermes

or just regular dodge if u cant get that

[pallid trellis]

Greater Evasion

yeah I try to get Hermes boons whenever I can

[analog mauve]

you can only get 2. in a run

btw

unless you get lucky at styx shop for a 3rd

[pallid trellis]

I've definitely gotten more

yeah at Charon shops

[analog mauve]

no only the styx shop gives a 3rd

the other ones can only give you your 1st or 2nd one

[pallid trellis]

ok cool so 3 Hermes boons

I don't need to get Greatest Reflex from Hermes since Gilga + Ruthless gives me 3 dashes which is about all I need. It's also not a particularly cast-heavy build. Cast is kinda just space filler. I usually go Stygian Soul instead of Infernal Soul unless I'm using Aspect of Poseidon/Hera/Beowulf because sometimes I lose my bloodstones in the middle of a fight and can't find them to save my life

and I can just get casts from Chaos and Artemis or even wells of charon if I feel so inclined

[jolly chasm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240373379073052733/1260699649560416276/Screenshot_2024-07-10_154808.png?ex=6692e88b&is=6691970b&hm=fab9718f4868b678fcecd8ea70d65a38030a385cc2cdb1f3675bcdb4bca23106&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

Here is the speedlist

[pallid trellis]

is Hestia in S tier?

[jolly chasm]

yes

[pallid trellis]

why

what build can you possibly go that benefits from reloading manually?

[jolly chasm]

150 damage is a lot and can be scaled quite well

[analog mauve]

yeah at like 50 heat i aim to get atleast 400 dmg per shot

by the end

which is basically hunter dash + boiling blood + aphro attack

[pallid trellis]

is it better than Eris generally or is Eris still better than Hestia overall?

[analog mauve]

they both are quite even

[jolly chasm]

They are like the same

[analog mauve]

in both heat and speed

[jolly chasm]

I just like hestia more

[pallid trellis]

why specifically aphrodite? Aren't there other boons that increase damage? Like Poseidon, Demeter, and Artemis?

[tight basin]

Aphrodite has the highest % modifier

By a long shot

[jolly chasm]

Aphro has the highest multiplier at 90-100% bonus damage

[tight basin]

Common Aphrodite is better than rare Demeter and Athena

[jolly chasm]

Second highest is 70-80% iirc

[analog mauve]

i like eris more even though i can clear more consistently with hestia over eris at an equal heat

upto 54

past that dc makes eris the choice

[tight basin]

Tbf hestia is just safer

[pallid trellis]

I'm currently only at like 14 heat on my highest weapon, which is Malphon (I just take whichever weapon has dark thirst, and the game gives it to Malphon most often for some reason)

[analog mauve]

i did that too until i maxed out the bounties

[jolly chasm]

I pulled a BigP and just started speedrunning after like 2 wins

[vital night]

only reload manually pretty much

[analog mauve]

what

[pallid trellis]

what are bounties?

[analog mauve]

the things that heat gives you

the bar that you fill for rewards in the pact of punishment

that thing

[pallid trellis]

pain?

[analog mauve]

the rewards

that drop after a boss

[pallid trellis]

oh Titan Blood, Diamond, Ambrosia, Titan Blood

[analog mauve]

yeah

those are the bounties

[vital night]

from the wording of the message, it seemed like he was assuming the empowered shot was a side effect of using a build that reloads manually instead of intentionally building towards it

https://youtu.be/tsHxB1f1ADY?si=phs3sqPZNNA9quG7

shameless plug

[analog mauve]

oh nice u did a 54

now do 56

[vital night]

When I'm better at EM4, I'm gonna shoot for 60

but I have 60/62 on zeus first

[analog mauve]

race to 60?

[pallid trellis]

I mean, every other aspect in the game has some kind of synergy it can make with some boons, but reloading is specific to the Rail so no boons are designed around it. Hell, Delta Chamber would turn it into the same weapon as the aspect of Zagreus

[analog mauve]

its not about the reloading

its about what the reloading does

the next shot would do 150 dmg

which is a lot

so if you get an epic aphrodite attack, you would be doing 300 dmg per shot

[jolly chasm]

Also delta Chamber still works on Hestia

[analog mauve]

and you just scale your attack with as much stuff as u can

like chaos attack and dash strike boons

hunters dash

[vital night]

you can manually reload on hestia yeah

[vital night]

ofc 👊

[analog mauve]

how good are you at em4 tho

[pallid trellis]

you can't manually reload with delta chamber

[analog mauve]

you can if its hestia

[pallid trellis]

wdym

[jolly chasm]

On Hestia you can

[pallid trellis]

what

[analog mauve]

press r and it reloads

[pallid trellis]

I'm gonna be so real with all of you right now

[vital night]

i've only really played it these past few weeks

[pallid trellis]

I've never used Hestia

[analog mauve]

you should, top 5 aspects fr

[tight basin]

The synergy is the fact that you can get a 100% damage bonus from 1 boon off of a base 150 bullet by just reloading lmao

[vital night]

I have like 1 actual heat clear on it

top 2 aspects fr

[tight basin]

You can literally start Tartarus dealing 300 damage

[vital night]

yeah

[analog mauve]

atleast ur playing hades tho

[pallid trellis]

I used Hestia once, decided it was bad, and stuck to Eris and Lucifer

[vital night]

true

[tight basin]

Hestia has like one of the fastest front halfs bc of the insane starting damage

[vital night]

🗿

[tight basin]

Hestia needs to be a high level to be good

[analog mauve]

now imagine c1 epic aphro strike, c2 chaos 100% dash strike, then c3 arty epic hunter dash

[pallid trellis]

I have all my weapons maxed LOL

[tight basin]

Then hit eury

[analog mauve]

thats 500 dmg per shot if im right

[tight basin]

Oh lmao

Welp

Hestia is very good tho

[analog mauve]

it takes a while to get used to

[pallid trellis]

I'll try it out next time Exagryph is thirsty

[analog mauve]

you have to get the sequence down to muscle memory

and then you can play on autopilot

[pallid trellis]

what sequence?

just manually reloading?

[analog mauve]

dash dash shoot reload dash dash shoot reload

if you want to add in your special then special every alternate reload

[pallid trellis]

oh, ew, you don't even use the rest of the clip? Just the first shot?

[tight basin]

Why would you

[analog mauve]

ofc

💀

[pallid trellis]

idk I figured it'd be more DPS overall!

[tight basin]

Spraying base 10 bullets isn't useful lmao

[pallid trellis]

reloading takes time!

[analog mauve]

imagine bow but x2 dmg and no charging up

[tight basin]

Reloading for empowered shot deals more damage than one whole ammo clip

[jolly chasm]

Not if you cancel the reload animation

[tight basin]

150 empowered shot vs 120 12 bullet spray with base 10 damage

[analog mauve]

cancelling the reload animation doesnt make the next shot come out faster

[tight basin]

Reloading for empowered is way faster than spraying and does more damage

[pallid trellis]

have any of you pad players remapped the reload button?

[tight basin]

Most remap

[pallid trellis]

to what?

[tight basin]

Idk I don't use controller

[pallid trellis]

right trigger?

[jolly chasm]

Lb

[tight basin]

But default is pretty horrendous

[vital night]

yeah you should remap

equal priority as attack for how easily you should be able to press it

I have it on RMB

[pallid trellis]

but my muscle memory is so deeply ingrained😭

dammit

[analog mauve]

how do you have muscle memory if you nevr played hestia

[pallid trellis]

do you think I haven't played Eris?

or Lucifer?

or Zagreus?

do you think I just haven't been manually reloading every time I've played Exagryph?

[tight basin]

I forgot who but someone never manually reloaded when playing rail lmao

I think they still cleared high heats with it too

Idr about speed tho but it was kinda cursed lmfao

[analog mauve]

i mean i dont think i ever manually reloaded on rail

not until recently

i just let it auto reload when the clip ran out

[tight basin]

Oh so that was you

[jolly chasm]

Sounds like Satan

[tight basin]

Incredibly cursed

Yeah that tracks

I remember the high heat but not speed

And false side doesn't do speed

[vital night]

i usually do it if i click a few times

I just don't really have reload memory on non-hestia. kinda just do it between waves

[plain river]

Change it sooner rather than later

[pallid trellis]

what are the best Calls in general? Based on my own independent research, I think Aphrodite's and Athena's are the best (interrupting major boss attacks and getting like 10 full seconds of invincibility are both insanely useful), but are there any others I'm sleeping on? I tend to prefer the more utility-oriented Calls rather than the unga bunga big damage Calls like Artemis's

[jolly chasm]

Dio and Zeus call are the best, with Athena and Pos being second rate calls

[vital night]

pos goes kinda hard on eris ngl

athena is nice on guan yu spin

[plain river]

Artemis’s isn’t unga bunga big damage 😔

Zeus and Dio are your unga bunga damage

[pallid trellis]

it literally does nothing BUT damage

same with Zeus and Dio

[plain river]

over but Zeus and Dio have much higher potency due to it being better damage per second

[pallid trellis]

actually, pretty much ALL Artemis is is damage

[plain river]

artemis requires you to fully charge it for it to be damage

[pallid trellis]

and that's not the case with Zeus's? How?

[plain river]

so you lose out on a ton of damage in regular rooms, while not doing more damage in bosses compared to an equally scaled zeus or dio call

[plain river]

Zeus and dio are both at peak performance as minicalls

so are the defensive calls

[pallid trellis]

I lowkey think Athena's is better fully stacked

[plain river]

It’s better to block hits you’re about to take then hits you’ll maybe take

[pallid trellis]

when I have the 10 seconds, I have free reign to go ham on Hades

[analog mauve]

athena is a great call

but ur better off using the mini calls even with athena

[plain river]

and when I have 4 25% spread over a fight, I have free reign on Hades for more than 10 seconds

[analog mauve]

because if u go max call a large portion of it will go waste as it would most likely be a portion where you wouldnt take dmg anyway

does that make sense

[pallid trellis]

yeah but 10 seconds

is a long time

[plain river]

Yeah but 4 two seconds is like an equally long time (if not greater) given Hades just isn’t that fast of an attacker

Less of my call % is going to waste

[plain river]

(And I’m now giving myself more outs than if I was more focused on charging it to 100%)

[pallid trellis]

yeah but you haven't considered that 10 seconds is a long time

[plain river]

I have

That’s precisely why

1 full call is the duration of 6 mini calls. However, Hades doesn’t attack fast enough to not end up wasting a lot of that extra time. Where with the minicalls, you can use them fast and loose anytime you would take damage

[worn solar]

Dad has a lot of long recoveries and sure you can whale on dad easier with max call but a lot of attacks you also couldve taken a tenth of a second to dash

[plain river]

Tbh it’s the same reason you don’t use dio call at 100%

A dio mini call by itself will prok hangover 6 times (more than max hangover stacks in regular circumstances). A full call proks a bunch of extra stacks that just don’t end up having much use because you’re already capping any enemies off

an 4 athena minicall prevents ~4 Hades hits. An athena full call prevents… ~4 Hades hits because he just doesn’t attack that fast

[vital night]

you generally don't want to blow your whole call load in one go yeah

athena call has more cases where you'd want to use the whole call for 10 seconds of uninterrupted DPSing, but still you'd generally want to use small call

[pallid trellis]

Rama build recommendations?

[analog mauve]

Hammers make or break bow, look for twin shot

[pallid trellis]

is twin shot good on all bow aspects?

[analog mauve]

Yes

Well

[pallid trellis]

I'm a weirdo who likes flurry shot

[analog mauve]

For Chiron if you are going the special route ud want a special hammer tho

[analog mauve]

Me too

Flurry + twin is the ideal bow hammer combo

But Rama can't get flurry

[pallid trellis]

I've never gotten that combo

[pallid trellis]

on golly? Ok then, maybe I'll go Hera

is Drunken Flourish good on Rama? It seems like it would be

[jolly chasm]

Flurry is best on Hera

[vital night]

It’s good

Zeus and ares also good

Also @pallid trellis I saw that

Did the bot get it or did you have second thoughts

[pallid trellis]

didn't wanna risk the bot catching it

[analog mauve]

catching what, now i got to know

[jolly chasm]

Ye what

[pallid trellis]

I responded to this message

[analog mauve]

ah

[vital night]

Fair

[analog mauve]

i can draw my own conclusions

[pallid trellis]

I said the absolute lowest hanging fruit

[jolly chasm]

👍

[analog mauve]

the 'thats what she said' ?

[vital night]

Nah

[pallid trellis]

no I basically repeated the joke. "But I like ____ing my ____"

damn those were supposed to be underscores

[vital night]

And so we all live under the boot of dyno

[analog mauve]

:sob

[pallid trellis]

😦

[vital night]

You too

[analog mauve]

im not even going to fix the emote fail

[pallid trellis]

literally 1984

[vital night]

It’s funnier that way

[analog mauve]

[pallid trellis]

YOU JUST HAVE A BIG BROTHER EMOTE LMAO

[plain river]

Rama can’t get flurry and there perfect shot, point blank shot, and ~explosive shot all work great

And those are the same with zag bow and hera for backup hammers if you don’t see flurry/twin

Triple also works

[tiny ledge]

life steal build recom?

[vital night]

guan yu athena attack

cursed slash is meh

[tiny ledge]

I thought it's was ares

[vital night]

you use the spin attack

and no god gives lifesteal

it's only weapons and hammers

[tiny ledge]

Sword hammer?

[vital night]

cursed slash

[tiny ledge]

Is it weapon! Or aspect?

[vital night]

it's a hammer

[tiny ledge]

I will get this from sword ?

I didn't get from spear

[proper furnace]

Guan yu is the spear's 4th aspect

Which makes the spin heal you on hit

[vital night]

you don't need it for spear

[pallid trellis]

good Stygius build for high heat? I'm guessing Nemesis is the best aspect? Should I go Deadly Strike or Heartbreak Strike?

[worn solar]

Heart break strike start get tdash or ddash, get zeus/dio/athena call and get zeus somewhere for smouldering air. That or do ME

[pallid trellis]

why would I do you?

[proper furnace]

merciful end

[pallid trellis]

uhhh

trying to remember whose that is and what it does

[proper furnace]

athena ares duo, deflect instantly triggers doom

you go ares attack, athena special (to unlock the duo) then you get divine dash to actually use it

[pallid trellis]

ohhhh you meant DIVINE Dash

I thought you meant Drunken Dash

I was so confused because I NEVER use that dash. The hangover barely even tickles and it's hard to stack it up and there are better dashes

[proper furnace]

for future cases, nobody uses drunken so always asume divine

[pallid trellis]

so I go Curse of Pain?

for the Doom?

and then dash through to trigger it?

[proper furnace]

if pain is the attack then yeah

[pallid trellis]

wait I thought you said do Heartbreak Strike?