h1-builds-and-combat

[tight basin]

also "don't get hit" strategy isn't exclusive to any strategy, that's just how you play the game lmao

and like any game in general

[lapis sandal]

out of curiousity
which alternate hammers would you recommend for sword for this type of challenge

[tight basin]

double edge

and that's it

more damage is good

[plain river]

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[tight basin]

more than doubles your damage output

[eager flint]

me when I use a revenge build (I'm silly and whimsical)

[tight basin]

true

[plain river]

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[tight basin]

i mean you still want greater evasion from hermes tho wouldn't you

[errant narwhal]

world splitter hate

ive always been in your corner world splitter

[eager flint]

same

world splitter funi

[plain river]

It’s the farthest left in actively negative

[eager flint]

trust

[errant narwhal]

disactively negative

[plain river]

It’s not getting it’s own accidentally negative tier

[lapis sandal]

I take tierlists with a grain of salt, in all fairness
too many 'this is useless because no damage' takes

[plain river]

my tierlist is baller

[lapis sandal]

unless ofc damage is what you're after

[eager flint]

oh, didn't know revenge boons worked with dodge. Makes sense tbh, it'd be bad if you could just try to proc your revenge and have RNG tell you no

[tight basin]

well like

[plain river]

Generally for Hades I wouldn’t put trust in tierlists

But

Sword is it’s own special

thing

[proper furnace]

Dodge is to stall for vengeful mood afaik

[errant narwhal]

more damage is always better but i believe in having fun over 100% optimizing all the time

[eager flint]

honestly I would. There are some pretty consensual strong strategies

[tight basin]

revenge builds take that ares-zeus duo, which makes revenge proc by itself
so you'd want to take dodge for yeah stall

[eager flint]

hey, I said I was silly, I'm not taking that duo

[plain river]

The tier list is specificially for optimising hence the viability scales & the name of the tiers

[eager flint]

You're making the mistake of thinking I was actually answering in good faith and not simply being a nerd

[tight basin]

tbf you did ask what hammers we'd recommend lol

[eager flint]

you fool

[errant narwhal]

irt sword i only play arthur and have not played another sword in literal years so take my world splitter opinion with a grain of salt

[eager flint]

arthur world splitter would go hard I'm sure

[lapis sandal]

I saw a tierlist on youtube where someone said 'stubborn roots is very bad'
and as I said earlier it singlehandedly made my 32 possible lol

[plain river]

It’s not like I won’t advocate for fun things but when we’re having a discussion about the quality of a hammer in a certain situation

[plain river]

….

[eager flint]

that doesn't mean they were wrong lol

[plain river]

Yeah I’@ going to have to agree with the tierlist

Just because it’s a tierlist doesn’t mean it’s right… but it also doesn’t mean it’s wrong

And

[eager flint]

well I guess it depends what you understand by "very bad"

[tight basin]

just bc it worked for you doesn't mean it's good lol
a lot of things work at 32, just depends what you're doing in that run

[eager flint]

but I'd agree with both points : it's very bad, and it carried your 32 clear

[plain river]

Personal experience getting in the way of optimisation discussion has been the bane of my existence for the last 2 years

This and other games

You can have good experiences with bad things

You can have success with bad things

And failures with good

[tight basin]

i cleared 40 heat with slicing flare, doesn't make it good lol

[lapis sandal]

I mean the point being 'the less optimized for damage build is not inherently worse'

[tight basin]

i mean... kinda?

[plain river]

yeah but I’m trying to get at the fact that cursed slash isn’t that great at it’s job

[tight basin]

the only times when that's true is at high heat when it's hard to make good builds

so you have to take a less damage build bc it's more consistent

[lapis sandal]

only two things matter at the end
hp above zero
enemy hp at zero
glass cannon and stall builds are both viable strategies to get you there

[tight basin]

glass cannon builds are much better in this game than stall builds

[plain river]

yes however I’d like to argue that cursed slash isn’t even good stall compared to base defence

[lapis sandal]

but stall builds are not 'bad' if they're not the best

[tight basin]

depends on the kind of stall you're playing in this game

[proper furnace]

A thing to note is that people also tend to have an easier time at heat by adding td

[plain river]

Cursed slash is like

[proper furnace]

Which

[lapis sandal]

that is the question I'm most interested in answering lmao

[proper furnace]

Kinda kills most stall

[plain river]

If your stall game involves

30 mimute hades fights

Cursed slash works

But

Base defence is tanky af for an adequate hades kill time

[tight basin]

cursed slash stall is prob one of the worst forms of stall in this game tbh

[plain river]

It’s hp regen is super sad

[tight basin]

weak standing strikes and -60% hp doesn't really cut it

esp considering boonless

[jolly chasm]

Any form of Tanking or stall in Hades is so much weaker in comparison to glass canon that it is not even funny

[tight basin]

low range in an anti-melee fight

also for boonless you dont really have any passive damage that would work for stall

[lapis sandal]

yeah my 32 was mostly icewine/roots stall
cursed slash is definitely more risky and involves more skill
the problem is hades is so tanky boonless that I'm coming at it with an 'outlast him' mindset because 'outpace his damage output' seems much more difficult

[tight basin]

stall builds work if you can actually deal good/decent damage while doing nothing or running around

[plain river]

Outpace his damage output gets way easier if you reduce his damage output

by

Not getting hit

[lapis sandal]

dam u rite

takes notes furiously

[plain river]

like honestly if you’re spending ages on a Hades fight

[jolly chasm]

Facts

[plain river]

You should be learning how to dodge his attacks

so you don’t need cursed slash

It sounds like you’re currently spending ages every time

[lapis sandal]

I mean I've only fought ex hades like uh
7 times? maybe 8?

[plain river]

so that times could be used for

Learning to dodge

So you can be more aggressibe

[tight basin]

like for throwing your shield and running away, at least doom can chunk for like ~200 damage per hit
blocking with shield and using lightning rod
running around and using lightning rod lmao
hestia is kinda stall-ish for boonless, since you have massive range and base 150 shot

cursed slash is like

[lapis sandal]

I was able to get the 32 so I do know -how- to dodge and stall him but
I'm still not perfect

[jolly chasm]

Yeah dad strats are just running away

[tight basin]

the worst form of stall possible since it's barely even stall

it's just outlasting and hope you dont make any mistakes

[worn solar]

Step 1 equip hestia step 2 get clockets step 3 epic chaos flourish

[plain river]

I would also just recommend playing more then boonless tbh

[tight basin]

cursed slash doesnt have the damage to qualify as stall lmao it's just surviving and killing dad with pokes

[plain river]

Cursed slash is stall but like you could also just zeus shield

[tight basin]

pokes that deal like what 50 damage with shackle?

[plain river]

yeah 50 with shackle

I would know

[lapis sandal]

that's uh
what stall is
survive and deal sustained damage and outlast opponent lol

[tight basin]

shackle zeus shield would unironically be better since you can actually block and deal like 60 damage per pulse

[tight basin]

and cursed slash has horrible sustained damage

it's barely stall

[plain river]

Cursed slash is stall pushed to the extreme

[eager flint]

nah

[plain river]

you have no damage output

[lapis sandal]

it has health regen that contributes to the 'stall' strategy lol

[plain river]

So you are literally just

[eager flint]

stall pushed to the extreme wouldn't have to risk getting hit to heal

cursed slash is bad stall

[plain river]

Yeah but 2 per hit is so slow

Dad chunks you for 40 and now you need a whopping 20 hits to get that back

20 standing sword strikes

[eager flint]

if anything, health regen tends to be an offensive strategy. Lets you get hit more, so you can afford playing less defensive

[lapis sandal]

which is why I combined it with flurry
rapid hits means rapid regen

[eager flint]

It's complex overall

[plain river]

except flurry is flurry which knocks you defenses down more

[tight basin]

and flurry has less defensive capabilities lmao

you'd need epic swift strike from hermes

i will say with epic swift strike, flurry cursed becomes slightly more viable

but also uh

[vagrant crane]

oh yeah let me just get 2 hammers every single run

[tight basin]

idk about consistency on that lmao

[lapis sandal]

how are you getting unintwntional dash strikes when evading btw?
that sounds like something I don't normally see

[worn solar]

If we want two hammers just pick rail and get clockets

[plain river]

Can you explain flurry downsides for me it’s been so long I have a hard time getting it across

[eager flint]

I feel like the epic hermes is even harder to get than two specific hammers tbh

[lapis sandal]

though I also usually go reflexes for the extra dash so I might just be double dashing out of it

[plain river]

greater reflexes is assumed

If you were on ruthless reflex I’d be more worried for your sanity then I am rn

[lapis sandal]

or maybe it's a m/kb vs gamepad difference?

[plain river]

No

Not a kmb/controller difference

[tight basin]

if you try to dash strike -> normal dash, the normal dash becomes a dash strike

bc like

it's just mega sensitive lmao

achilles has this same problem with flurry jab

also after a dash strike, you do a forced standing strike iirc

[worn solar]

Like flurry usually tacks on an additional attack at the end and if you dash during that then you dash strike

[tight basin]

so your dashes get a bit screwed lmao

[plain river]

forced dash strikes and forced standing strikes tanks the defensive capabilites of them

[lapis sandal]

flurry gives hits in sets of two, no?

consistently?

[worn solar]

Yeah and that's why

[lapis sandal]

can't you just
take that into account?
and use boss attack timings to not overcommit?

[vagrant crane]

cant u just have a better hammer

[lapis sandal]

if the fates will it

[worn solar]

Like it matters less when you're not on fo2 ig

[vagrant crane]

ok but basically every hammer is better than flurry

[tight basin]

i mean yeah but sometimes you get smacked anyways lmao

since you need a longer pause period before your dash so you dont accidentally dash strike

[lapis sandal]

I rarely get hit when I'm near boss anyway, it's the odd spear throws that tend to get me, or wayward skulls

or the add phases x.x

there's a pretty consistent dive window that's safe, so stalling is mostly just waiting for that and getting some good hits in, and regen off skulls whenever possible

[lapis sandal]

what I still want to know, is how many hits would the hp pool of no cursed let you survive overall, and if there's a breakpoint for when cursed's health regen becomes more valuable
because it sounds like the longer the fight, and the lower health you go in with, the more worth it it is

[vital night]

I’m probably repeating what others have already said, but when you have 2 hp per hit where the hits are super risky trying to outpace 30-60 damage hits from hades, you’re just not in a great place

You make 2 dodge mistakes and you’re dead lmao

You know a spin can crit for like 80 if you have boiling blood

There goes your health poop

[plain river]

Like 30

[vital night]

Pool

[vital night]

No cursed literally never gets better than dedge

Also, anything works below 32 heat, and arguably 40

But you’re just not beating td3 like this

[tight basin]

they're not doing td3

[plain river]

You can take like ~30 miscellaneous mistakes in the Hades fight without cursed slash, and if you take strong sword hammers you won’t have to even consider

[tight basin]

they're doing boonless em4

[worn solar]

Like the em4 has healing + zag sword damage especially without dedge is kinda mid so cslash is going to extend the fight by a lot a lot

[vital night]

They’re arguing for the viability of a build, and this build is less viable than the alternatives

Just do shackle nem

[worn solar]

Or just not sword

[vital night]

So much more damage

[tight basin]

yeah i was gonna say, not sword works great

[vital night]

True

[plain river]

cursed slash helps prolong your fight by constantly putting you in a place where you need to run & regen

and

Not being damage

[vital night]

I mean

EM4 is so hostile that you end up in a situation where you little by little regen half your health bar, make one mistake, and end up back at square 1

Why would you do that to yourself

It’s just terrible

[plain river]

em4 dad also just

Has heals no?

[vital night]

Literal Sisyphean task in hades

Yeah

[plain river]

your stall vs his stall

[vital night]

Real

[plain river]

And your stall has no damage

And he has like what 54k hp

[vital night]

Yeah

P much

[azure bloom]

isnt flurry BiS?

[worn solar]

Maybe WiS

[plain river]

BiS?

[azure bloom]

best in slot

wait

[plain river]

no

[azure bloom]

i thought it was ?

[plain river]

Only on zag spear, achilles and hera bow

Not on sword

[azure bloom]

i was thinking spear

I would not use flurry on sword

its clunky as hell

tbf I dislike sword

arthur is fun but holy bat man its slow

[plain river]

Tbf though

It is just

Not the greatest sword hammer

[azure bloom]

i prefer gun>spear>fists>shield>sword

[plain river]

It takes the fun from functional and forgets the rest of the word ifkwis

[azure bloom]

I am hoping Hades II has actual usuable varaitons of the weapons and more weapons

[vital night]

All fun no ctional

[azure bloom]

some weapons like chiron, gilgamesh and arthur are weird and clunky

[vital night]

Most of the aspects are usable

I think they did pretty good lol

[azure bloom]

they did

[vital night]

Would be interesting to see how the system evolves in h2

[plain river]

They’re all usable

[azure bloom]

chiron self root was very unfun

it really messed up the immersion

[plain river]

I mean every weapon roots you when attacking & specialing

[azure bloom]

with chiron you could really feel it

[plain river]

Chirons is just

Ages

[azure bloom]

the other problem with chiron is that it didn't feel rewarding enough

[vagrant crane]

chiron suck

[plain river]

I mean it can be if the stars align

[azure bloom]

with the way dio stacks works, you had to be very careful about how u use dhis boons

because dio call is better than special

and chiron then has no real good special imo

[plain river]

Don’t use 2

[azure bloom]

yes i know

[plain river]

Sources of hangover

[azure bloom]

yeah

i dont

[plain river]

It’s only bad because you did thag

[azure bloom]

I didnt do it

I tried special dio only

it just felt lack lustre

[vagrant crane]

yeah because its chiron

[azure bloom]

not dio call

[vagrant crane]

garbage aspect

[plain river]

If you want rewarding chiron smthing like any +% speciak with conc and relentless mihjt be your thing to try

In the end it’s still chiron bit

You may have fun

Who knows

[eager flint]

I was pleasantly surprised by going for Poseidon special on Chiron

You still struggle with AOE

But you do have damage

Single target

I died because asterius used a bomb from other guy as a smokescreen to charge me by surprise

[lapis sandal]

30??
you can get that many times?
aren't like half the hits 20/40 damage?

[proper furnace]

yeah weakest is 20

(cast/shockwave)

idk if with misc is also including adds hits

[tight basin]

if you have 350 hp and 3 DDs going into dad fight, that's 875 effective hp

so if you only get hit by 40 damaging stuff, you can tank about 24 hits

first life tanks 9, next 3 tanks 5 each, so yeah 24

with cursed slash you have 210 + 105*3 so 525 hp, so you can tank 14 40 damage hits

[proper furnace]

what moves even do 40 on em4

assuming no B.blood hl

spin/throw?

[tight basin]

the swings right

yeah i think so

im just assuming worst case scenario on the hits

[plain river]

Wouldn’t it be 140

Isn’t cursed slash -60%

[tight basin]

i did 350*.6

[plain river]

-60% is .4

[tight basin]

oh

yeah i see that now

oh that's nasty

140 + 70*3 = 350

[plain river]

Yeah but I’m assuming you walk into dad with all your dds and max hp (shouldn’t be too difficulty with cthonic in styx tunnels & fountain

Even if you’re a little bit under

You still have a lot of hp

That’s why I said base defence is tanky

[proper furnace]

actually how much is spear throw again

50?

[tight basin]

tank 4 hits first life, tanks 2 each next
so total of 10 hits
compared to the 24 of without cursed slash
meaning you gotta hit dad 280 times to get to equal hp
which like sure is doable, but on the other hand you're relying on the fact that you wont get hit more while trying to make up the hp loss

[plain river]

280 standing strikes… I mean

It is cursed slash so you’re slashing thru 54k? Hp with no damage

Is this boonless that picks up chaos or

Like a true boonless situation

[vital night]

Probably true boonless

What are you at then

40, 50?

[plain river]

Me or

The 10 heat boonless player

[vital night]

10 heat

I’m talking about damage per hit

On cursed flurry

Oh wait it’s 50 bc flurry does 25 right

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[vital night]

Hm

Yeah that’s rough

Boiling blood makes it 75

RR makes it 112.5

Yeah good luck tbh

How do you even play cursed flurry

[proper furnace]

mono dash flurry sounds fun

[lapis sandal]

my goal is simply to beat it, though for the purposes of comparison no chaos is probably better

[plain river]

it's really whether you personally want to take chaos or not because it doesn't contribute towards dad dialogue

[lapis sandal]

I doubt extreme measures even contributes to boonless dad dialogue, I'm just a bit stubborn

[plain river]

extreme measures doesn't do anything for it

the only thing that affects whether or not you get it

is whether or not you have more than 0 purgable boons

by the time you meet dad

[lapis sandal]

fun fact, I did that once on a normal run (no ex dad)
didn't get the subtitle
turns out it was my clear 50 >.<

[proper furnace]

ouch

[lapis sandal]

but ofc now that I beat normal I want to do it with ex

[proper furnace]

tbf you could've gotten boon purger too instead

if it wasn't the 50th clear

[lapis sandal]

is it not priority for the other one?

[proper furnace]

nope

[lapis sandal]

that seems
less than ideal

still, at this point I'm mostly just collecting blood and darkness to rank up and upgrade weapons

so I have time to experiment

[proper furnace]

looking at some of the clear titles

how the blood & darkness they expect you to get the 7 nectar one lmfao

[tight basin]

if the goal is to simply beat it i just wouldn't use sword lmao

[lapis sandal]

rerolls , shops, rng? xD

[proper furnace]

there are some interesting ones

65+ gyros eaten

use your cast 1k times

[lapis sandal]

my go-to has been to make a first attempt at a new heat level with the intent of boonless, and if I fail finish it next attempt normally
should keep me going till like
hl 12?

maybe more

since ex4 is 10 and olympian customs is free for boonless

and if I get unlucky with purging pools in styx I can at least practice the fight

[vital night]

HL 12?

Imagine

Oh heat level

[waxen dragon]

Ugh died on the last realm using Talos

[ornate sable]

i love Dusa's keepsake sm man

[bold wadi]

guys

i think imma go for an me build what aspect should i go with? nem or which fists?

[dark slate]

Whats a good build to do fast runs with the shield?

[eager flint]

both works

[eager flint]

do you have the aspect of beowulf ?

[bold wadi]

which fists tho?

[eager flint]

any

they all play mostly the same anyway

[dark slate]

Nop, I want the build to farm the aspect

Chaos wouldnt give it to me

[eager flint]

Then you either get the charged shot hammer and a beefy strike %dmg boon, or you go for Merciful End

oh, zeus can also just get zeus² en be good too

[vital night]

Zag shield cshot probably most reliable

For speed

[dark slate]

zeus with what? also cshot could be an option

[proper furnace]

Zeus with zeus special

Zeus^2

[vital night]

Static discharge is very important in that scenario

[vital night]

Cshot zag with aphro can carry through the game

If you want fooni explosion gameplay, you can get explosive return on Zeus shield with aphro on special and just try to maximize ER

[chilly sage]

I know this build isn't good but like, it feels so good to play with
Stygian blade, aspect of Poseidon with Splitter of worlds and either breaching slash or that hammer with 200% bonus backstab damage
Tempest strike, the rest is just Poseidon boons to empower your attacks and that one hermes boon with 30% extra attack speed

I just love the Poseidon themed build

... I can't type the word "sh#t"? I've read the rules and uhh, that's not anything rude you know, whatever

[vital night]

why don't you just

play nemesis

[eager flint]

I feel like even if you wanna go full poseidon for funsies, going for a big flood shot would be more fun

flood shot is not amazing, but it's certainly good enough for a meme build

but also I hate tempest strike with a passion

[waxen dragon]

Hera aspect build? Crush shot or mirage shot or fully loaded?

[proper furnace]

crush shot

fully loaded should never be part of a build as much as a "oh, neat"

[waxen dragon]

Mirage shot or fully loaded?

[proper furnace]

you only need crush shot

[waxen dragon]

I barely cleared it with crush shot and fully loaded, wasn't sure if mirage was a better choice

[proper furnace]

mirage is also a "cool if possible"

you go crush shot, grab snow burst to kill small stuff and focus poms on casts

add chaos' +1 cast/cast dmg or from charon wells

and hermes either quick reload or sprint + rush delivery

[waxen dragon]

Oh ok. I will give snow burst a try

I think I got the cast from chaos and exit wounds

[lapis sandal]

people recommending hestia for boonless though
not kidding, it feels stronger than some fully built runs I've had previously
just potshot after potshot mostly but such chunky damage

[tight basin]

Tbf those "fully built runs" might have been really off meta and not strong to begin with lmao

[lapis sandal]

I mean true

still, no luck in styx with pools so I'll be going into dad with some boons after all

practice time woo

[chilly sage]

Aspect of Poseidon is visually satisfying : D

[chilly sage]

Tempest strike with world splitter has insane knock back though, like you can send enemies very easily flying across the entire map if you have the legendary boon

[lapis sandal]

p3 death x.x
I took way too much damage to add phase, lasers everywhere =/

....and they were so shiny i missed the spears being thrown into me lol

[tight basin]

tempest strike also has like no damage lmao

has the lowest % modifier

besides arty, but that has crits

[chilly sage]

Yeah it does little damage that i agree

But it makes sense imo

Because when you have all the Poseidon passive damage boons with all that knock back you can legitimately clean those styx temple rooms with a single attack

The damage from knock back is nuts

[tight basin]

yeah you can take a better poseidon core for that lmao

namely tidal dash

and have an actual strong attack on top of a strong dash

[chilly sage]

Ye tidal dash is op

[lapis sandal]

there's no way to consistently get a boonless run, right? it all comes down to luck in styx for pools?

[tight basin]

well styx luck in general but yeah it's not consistent

fated authority can only do so much

[chilly sage]

If you really want to have a boonless run, get fated persuasion and select as least boons as possible, purge boons every level

[tight basin]

i mean that's not the problem lmao

the issue is styx rng

[lapis sandal]

how would persuasion even help?

[tight basin]

reroll doors

so it doesnt give you a god

[lapis sandal]

that's authority

[tight basin]

oh i misread that

yeah persuasion isn't useful

[lapis sandal]

and most of the time when I reroll olympian doors it just changes olympian

[tight basin]

miniboss doors will always be an olympian

otherwise everything else is fair game

[chilly sage]

You can purge all of your boons all the way up in styx temple

[lapis sandal]

huh good to know

[chilly sage]

Just find boon purging station, sell all boons, use faed persuasion, again sell all options

[lapis sandal]

styx doesn't have a guaranteed purging pool at the end though, that's the problem

[tight basin]

you can just purge along the way with authority

bc you're only leaving with like 3 boons max anyways

[chilly sage]

If you have 3 fated persuasion you can purge 6 boons, if you have 6, you can purge 9

[lapis sandal]

not if you don't have a pool lol

[tight basin]

if you purge along the way you'll only need the first page lmao

[chilly sage]

I always get that boon purging station somewhere in the Styx temple

[lapis sandal]

last coupe runs I didn't get a purging pool in all of styx

rng is rng, unfortunately

[chilly sage]

I might've been extra ordinarily lucky xD i have around 110 runs and i feel like in everyone of them there was one purging station in styx temple

[lapis sandal]

shame there's not a pool in charon's shop, or even a pool that doesn't give you coin by dog³

[chilly sage]

Yeah idk why that isn't more common around

It's not like hoarding money is overpowered is it

[tight basin]

yeah it's not

but also like

playing boonless isn't really encouraged by the game lmao like the point of the game is to get boons

so they're not gonna give you a way to play boonless at the end

[lapis sandal]

but they do encourage it, a bit
hades is always taunting you about how you only get there with help, and there's exclusive dialogue for boonless

sure it's not needed for anything in particular, but it's encouraged and even rewarded a bit

[chilly sage]

Why is there a trinket made specifically to empower you while you're boonless? 🤨

[tight basin]

that's not encouraging, that's just the devs recognizing that people would do that anyways lmao

[tight basin]

it still works if you take boons, just not on atk/special/cast

[proper furnace]

gotta have something better (but less funny) than previous shackle

[tight basin]

same thing with completing a run on the very first attempt lmao

not encouarged, but does have a unique line

game wasn't designed with completing a run on the first attempt but the devs know people would do that anyways

[lapis sandal]

I mean it still encourages you to try, and rewards you lightly for doing so
even if the reward isn't anything particularly interesting

tbh same could be said for skelly's stuff

though that one's even more direct

it's just a bit frustrating that you can't do it consistently because it comes down to boon rng

or pool rng rather

[tight basin]

i mean you dont need pool rng if you get gold and heart 2 sack in styx

[chilly sage]

Rng overall is very frustrating in this game sometimes

My entire build revolves around Poseidon, i have like 3 Poseidon boons already and the game decides to give me anything but Poseidon boons anymore, why tf???

Just give me more Poseidon i don't care about your ares or athena and whatnot boons

[proper furnace]

are you actively avoiding them or at least filling up your god pool

[lapis sandal]

true, but then you need sack rng lol
I guess you could reroll any non-boss paths though?

[chilly sage]

I'm avoiding them as much as possible and picking up only Poseidon

[tight basin]

styx miniboss doors can be non-olympian

[proper furnace]

there's your issue then

[tight basin]

so like it doesnt really matter lmao just rng

[proper furnace]

picking up the boon from a god adds them to a pool

once 4 are in, the rest are gone

by avoiding all non pos you are just having all 8 gods able to show up

[chilly sage]

Wait so if i have 4 Poseidon boons, I'm guaranteed to get more Poseidon boons?

[lapis sandal]

no

[proper furnace]

no

[lapis sandal]

you need 4 different gods

[proper furnace]

(hermes/chaos don't count for this btw)

[lapis sandal]

to 'fill up' the god variations

[proper furnace]

they are built different

[chilly sage]

I see

[lapis sandal]

and then you will only be offered those 4

in theory reducing the chances of other gods and increasing the chance of poseidon

[lapis sandal]

but does this actually increase the chances?
I would think if you had less choices, poseidon would have a higher rate of appearance because you already have his, no?

[tight basin]

goes from 1/8 to 1/4

[lapis sandal]

how does the rng actually work there

[tight basin]

since an open god pool would just throw in any god possible, so 1/8

with a full pool, it can only pick from 4 gods so 1/4

[lapis sandal]

do you not have increased chances to see boons from gods you already have?

[tight basin]

no

[chilly sage]

If there are less options, the likelihood of each option being chosen is higher because... There are less options xd

[lapis sandal]

is tartarus an outlier then?

[tight basin]

wdym

bc tart isnt special lmao

[lapis sandal]

I often see repeats in tartarus, as opposed to newer options

[tight basin]

confirmation bias

[lapis sandal]

and it seems like asphodel and elysium increase the 'god cap'

[tight basin]

that's just rng lmao

[lapis sandal]

all right if you're sure then 😮

max gods you can have is like 6 different, right?

[tight basin]

8

[lapis sandal]

you can get all in one run?

[vital night]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=csi5Mn7fDL0&t=144s&pp=ygUOZHJhZ29uYXBwZW5kaXg%3D

[tight basin]

this exact topic occured in speedcord once, and people who actually know the code confirmed it lmao

[lapis sandal]

someone with sources, I like it lmao

[vital night]

Not down to luck in Styx. I avoided attack dash and special boons the whole run here

[tight basin]

3 before tartarus midshop, buy 1 in midshop, a different one at the door leading out of it
force 1 in aspho
force 1 in ely
force 1 in styx

[lapis sandal]

that's still luck lol
if the satyr sack wasn't behind the two doors you picked, you would have had to rely on pool rng to finish it

[vital night]

It’s modded

[lapis sandal]

how do you force 1 in styx?

[tight basin]

keepsake

as you would any other time

[lapis sandal]

keepsake doesn't work in styx though?
I've had many runs where I equipped it and the god in question just didn't show up at all

[tight basin]

idk it's supposed to

i never take a keepsake into styx bc i never have a reason to

so i cant confirm that

[lapis sandal]

if it's supposed to work like that, it doesn't currently

maybe a bug then

[proper furnace]

is just a styx thing afaik

[vital night]

Also my standard for boonless is never using a boon

So I could’ve taken a cast boon into dad and still had the run be boonless as long as I didn’t care

[lapis sandal]

'modded' and 'never using a boon' are not what the game considers boonless
if you're using your own definition then it's not really useful for this discussion, because we're talking about what the game considers boonless
still impressive you managed to clear at 32 heat tho

but it doesn't change the fact that you need to rely on rng for a boonless run to carry out of styx

[tight basin]

i mean yeah

it's 100% rng

at no point is boonless consistent

[waxen dragon]

Woohoo, cleared the game with Talos, lightning phalanx and smouldering air with Aphrodite call.

Is it better to go flood shot and mirage shot with Talos?

I never really understood the special on it, my guess is the cast bonus is permanent and doesn't require you to hit with special first?

[tight basin]

no you have to hit with it first

apply the magnetic cutter or whatever it's called to enemies

[vital night]

I get what you mean. My point is that you don’t have to rely on the Styx pools. And the chance of a 2-sack is 50% anyways so…

[tight basin]

ngl the best builds for talos dont center around the cast lmao

[vital night]

Have you been using authority?

[lapis sandal]

yes, though I don't have it maxed yet

[vital night]

Ah

Yeah that’ll really help imo

[lapis sandal]

and yes you can alternatively rely on sack rng
but pools or sacks, one way or the other finishing a run boonless is not guaranteed
which is frustrating, because it requires so much investment and only makes or breaks at the end of the run

[vital night]

Yeah

Bricked atleast 5-6 runs bc of boon rng

It’s rough

But I wanted 32 enough that I stuck with it

[lapis sandal]

It would be nice if there were some sort of 'cleansing pool' in the main styx room that let you toss boons for no reward

[vital night]

Was good practice for higher heats anyways

[lapis sandal]

it would also tie in pretty well imo with the 'underworld customs' idea

[vital night]

That’s just underworld donation

UC’s gimmick is that you have to sell something and spend a roll of you don’t like your options

[lapis sandal]

yes but it's called 'underworld customs'
implying it's customary to leave something behind when you ascend the underworld
so from a lore standpoint it makes some sense that there would be a standing purging pool of some sort near the entrance

....or maybe it's meant to refer to the 'customs' in the sense of tax lol

[vital night]

Yeah I’m pretty sure it’s the second lol

You’re traveling from one region to another so you have to go through customs

[plain river]

This is what tax eva-

[vital night]

You attempt to escape the underworld to avoid paying income taxes on your 5000 gold hoarding slash build, but the IRS can reach you everywhere, even a snowy graecian mountaintop

[waxen dragon]

Oh I didn't know that

[tight basin]

Yeah the gimmick kinda sucks

[ancient nimbus]

"eh this game been easy, shouldve bought Ultrakill instead"

Lv 4 Pops

[tulip zephyr]

"zag you don't have your passport, i'm afraid I can't let you pass"

-border officer hades

[peak turret]

this happened to me when i went to the US-Canada border at 11pm with 40 computers in the back seat and the bed of the truck

me and my gf both had our passports but they wouldn’t let us in because of the computers

i had to drive an hour home and an hour back plus an hour to Montreal after the border

[eager flint]

they're taking a headstart on oppressing androids

canadian-us border : become human

[peak turret]

so true…

[turbid needle]

is there anyway for me to predict when Hades is about to do his spin swing before he actually starts the animation (I'm having trouble with +40% speed when trying to win with the sword or the gloves)

[eager flint]

Yeah there are tells

He does it as part of specific patterns

I don't remember them rn, but I think looking at a few videos should be enough for you to find it

[turbid needle]

aight

[vital night]

play slower and look for the circle

[waxen dragon]

Got beat with nemesis aspect by Theseus and minotaur 😭 seems to be a difficult aspect for me. Was trying to get the Artemis, Athena duo. Also tried heart rend, amazing damage but I keep getting hit too much.

[lapis sandal]

if he starts walking toward you at normal speed, high odds he follows up with a spin when he gets close, if you're moving away from him he'll often just follow you around a bit

it's rare that he will attempt to cast at that point unless he's been walking for a moment or you get too far

that might be a rough tell at 40% though

[waxen dragon]

Wahoo, cleared with nemesis, didn't get heart rend though. Ended up with parting shot and lightning phalanx, lightning rod, ended up kiting with special and dash strikes. So I don't think I'm good enou6yet to solely rely on dash strikes

[sand panther]

I’m trying to get through ||hades|| with the spear but keep dying- are there any tips/builds I should try for? ||using hades aspect for the irony|| (literally just joined so idk what I need to censor 😭 to avoid spoilers)

[vital night]

If you haven’t cleared yet, you should be in #h1-for-new-players for minimal spoilers. If you have, you can post anything anywhere else

[sand panther]

Okay, I’ve cleared it 8 times I just still need the spear for the prophecy

[vital night]

Best spear for a clear is probably achilles

But for hades, you can either go attack focused or special focused

[sand panther]

Any specific gods? Like would Aries be better to aim for (for example)

[eager flint]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[sand panther]

Oh sweet, ty!

[waxen dragon]

Is the charm part of Aphrodite unhealthy fixation or call useful? If so, How do I make the most of it?

[viral geode]

No it's not

Charm is rarely useful, don't get it

[polar python]

It can be useful but there's plenty better. In Elysium it will make foes disengage and walk away, which can help with survival. In Heroes fight of you charm Theseus when he calls, the attacks hit him instead of you (very funny). And in Dad fight, it will also cause him to disengage and can cancel lasers.

But overall only worth keeping if you're given it and don't need the money from selling it.

[eager flint]

it also messes with patterns, which makes it very bad if you learned the normal patterns of the enemies

[waxen dragon]

Thanks. Yes I was spamming call due to smouldering air but didn't know how to take advantage of the charm

[polar python]

Oh it's rubbish as the call because it does no damage. I meant if you have unhealthy fixation on a fast weapon and can charm things regularly while also doing damage. Aphrodite Smair is a total waste.

[waxen dragon]

Oh, so only the max bar call does damage?

[proper furnace]

yeah

aphro lesser call does 1 dmg

[vital night]

Support fire at home

[ancient nimbus]

alr so

the spear has

considerable endlag

that means you oughtta use ur brains

caculate the risk of getting hit

btw you can

while charging for a spin

dash will release the spin

reduce the spin endlag

and gives more range to the spin attack as you dash

[waxen dragon]

What's the best call to use with smouldering air?

[vagrant crane]

zeus

[polar python]

With Dio a close second.

[tight basin]

Dio is considered better than Zeus for higher heats

[vagrant crane]

its not as good with smair

[errant narwhal]

really? I thought it was

[vagrant crane]

part of what makes dio good is the self charging ability

which does not matter with smair

[errant narwhal]

Hmm I haven’t played anything to do with dio at all in like years so I trust you in that

[waxen dragon]

Self charging?

[proper furnace]

The hangover dmg charges your call

You can't gain call while in the middle of one but hangover lasts so

[eager flint]

How good are chaos boons on ME builds ? Assuming I don't care about the room skip

[proper furnace]

Rarity always nice

And ig special/dash strike do smth decent with your dupper

[tight basin]

%special for chunkier uppers if you're on Dem but otherwise eh yeah

[eager flint]

gotcha

[waxen dragon]

Ah I never knew what charges call. What about other things besides hangover?

[proper furnace]

Basically everything

The tl;dr is that how often you hit matters more than the dmg number

And taking dmg depends on % of max hp

(this has been used for charon% runs where you get hit and get an instant greater aphro call)

[proper furnace]

Dmg does matter to some extent but the bonus it gives falls off extremely hard at anything past 100 dmg

So something like rail + zeus will charge call way faster than hestia + aphro atk for example

[waxen dragon]

Oh I see. I was wondering how to charge call faster

[proper furnace]

For aspects with poor call charging the answer is pretty much smair all the time lol

Or proud bearing if we are speaking for normal encounters

[proper furnace]

(or as what started the convo, dio call lmao)

[waxen dragon]

Oh I've never taken that boon before

[manic notch]

thanks to zyruvias we have a consistent double heroes maim-boosted meg setup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GamgvRfy6_o

double 3750's possible with only rending !!!

and double 3125's regardless

[glacial sonnet]

is rend the only way to boost summon damage?

[manic notch]

no, its just that Rending doubles the boost from 25% to 50%

maim boosts it by itself

also summon damage is boosted by Aphro's boon Sweet Surrender and Eris' hammer Targeting System

gilga's maim can do it inherently tho

[last perch]

any rama gamers have any tips for greatshields in elysium?

they're annoying with every weapon but for rama especially I just cannot get the timing for an opening with them, they turn around too quickly

usually I end up taking way too much damage, or I deal with them by shared suffering with easier enemies, but that doesn't always work

[proper furnace]

Just chip at them

Don't bother with power shots

Also they spawn facing right always

So you can charge up while they spawn

[last perch]

I'm basically always using DC at this point so charging up while they spawn doesn't work either

But yeah maybe it's just better to ping small shots at them. It still means they eat into td3 a lot, so idk

[proper furnace]

Finding jolted/dio poms is always gonna be nice for that extra dmg

Or chill may allow for some more charge

[ornate sable]

my favorite weapon as to be the shield

defense + range + melee

combine that with Aphrodite's special boons and its a blast

zeus's boons are welcome too

[eager flint]

shield doesn't have a special

don't trust what Big Hades wants you to think

[ornate sable]

i suck w any other weapons man 😭

best i can do is maybe the sword sigh

[eager flint]

I mean, it's not you, it's the weapons. Unbind the special when playing shield and you'll have more success

/j

But yeah I have an intense hatred for shield's special. And spear special. And bow special. Why so many specials suck ???

[ornate sable]

i just dont do special anymore cuz i can never use them effectively 😭😭😭
its just a skill issue in my part tho

the gun is pretty fun but like the bow i hate it when i have to stay in place while attacking

i speed

plus i cant aim to save my life :,)))

[eager flint]

Of course you can't use special effectively, if you play shield x)

I'm meme-ing a bit, but shield special is truly atrocious

[vital night]

||just play zeus||

[eager flint]

or that, yes

[last perch]

spear special is p good tbh idk what you mean

[vagrant crane]

it is not

unless you have elauncher and cskewer

[warm shoal]

Best shield aspect?

[proper furnace]

Beo/zeus

Zeus mostly for extreme heat

[waxen dragon]

I can sometimes ricochet the special off a wall and hit them or dash through them and shoot them in the back. Unsure if the piercing hammer ignores their shields or not

[proper furnace]

Can you even get piercing on rama

[waxen dragon]

Ooh what's e launcher? I usually pick charged skewer on the hidden aspect

[waxen dragon]

Good question, I'm unsure

[proper furnace]

Explosive launcher

Gy special is basically that but built in

[waxen dragon]

Oh ok

[proper furnace]

(aoe/50 dmg base/no return)

Gy is piercing/45 dmg

[waxen dragon]

Nice. Ignores shields?

[proper furnace]

Just enemy pierce

Like bow attack

[waxen dragon]

Oh ok

So can't shoot through those shield holding enemies

I had merciful end on a lucifer build, was unsure how to play it. Quite a weird combination, Athena special and Ares attack

Beat lucifer hammers? I tried concentrated beam but I couldn't really stick on one enemy too long

[proper furnace]

Triple bomb

[last perch]

ok... so what's the actual strat for asterius' charge? legitimately

cause I'm now realizing I'm taking the majority of my damage against him from that

if you dash through a pillar sometimes he crashes into it and sometimes he just kind of decides to go around it?

+dashes or hypersprint helps but still

[waxen dragon]

I get that too. It could be a timing thing but I usually dash through the pillars just before he hits it. May have to do it twice before he gets tired

Or use Aphrodite call?

[solemn venture]

I dash and pray honestly

[crude oriole]

dash towards and through asterius

[eager flint]

Asterius can change course very, very fast. So you need to lead him riiight into the pillar for him to hit it

otherwise he'll just say "momentum ? Never heard of them" and drigt right into your face

[proper furnace]

Iframing with calls is also neat when possible

[eager flint]

oh, true

I should think about call iframes more often

tbh, unlike dashes, I don't really know when they last

[proper furnace]

I still don't know lol

Is just vibes
"When asterius is about to hit"
"Enough for dad's spin"

[tulip zephyr]

If i'm in a bad spot and right in front of him, i usually just dash away fast

even if i have no hermes at all zag is a bit faster

if i'm far away it's pretty easy to time dashing twice through him

[potent tree]

It's really a shame inertia hadn't been discovered back then

[dapper harness]

Newton wasn't alive then so there was no inertia

rip

[inner summit]

hey guys! may i ask if pressure points or other artemis boons affect the shattered shackle?

[errant narwhal]

shackle only deactivates for "core" boons on attack, special and cast
so pressure points will keep the shackle bonus

[inner summit]

oh that's great! so if i keep attack, special and cast slots empty i will keep the shackle bonus

[errant narwhal]

yep

you can have boons, just not these main boons

[inner summit]

so same goes for zeus dash boons etc

[proper furnace]

also the bonus is separated

if you take an atk boon you keep special/cast

[inner summit]

oh didnt know that

[sick compass]

Best aspect for each weapon in your opinion?

[vagrant crane]

nem achilles beo hera dem hestia

[sick compass]

ty

[golden pumice]

bru this is how u start a run, purple poseidon special lvl 6, purple atenea dash, 3 special shots hammer with railgun x,x

185 hp

[eager flint]

there's an argument for bow best aspect being rama or hera, and rail's being hestia or eris

[viral geode]

also gy and zeus have cleared 64 heat but that's pretty extreme

[flat wigeon]

does anybody have a build list please

[eager flint]

checks the pins

[waxen dragon]

Does parting shot apply with Hera aspect?

[eager flint]

yeah

iirc it always (or often) procs with phalanx shot

no idea about crush shot

[waxen dragon]

Oh. Would it work with Hera aspect?

[eager flint]

yes, that's what I said x)

[unreal tree]

hestia better than eris is crazy

[sick compass]

Which shield would you use

[unreal tree]

they are all good

except chaos

[sick compass]

Okay thanks

[eager flint]

how do you play zagshield ? I always hear about Zeus and Beo. And I never hear about chaos either, but I don't want to hear about chaos aspect so I'm fine with that

[proper furnace]

Cshot gaming

[vital night]

Faster than eris unmodded tbf

[vital night]

I think the speed record has shackle resetting for tdash. Heat just needs aphro attack and cshot

[viral geode]

Flurry slash, cursed slash or dash nova? :(

It was such a good run until then

[vital night]

Oof

Dash nova

The other two brick harder imo

[unreal tree]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/801885813361082399/809250878560272394/unknown.png?ex=6620869c&is=660e119c&hm=bcd8d84b7cb88d54218d73753aeff66bba02a96de7f9e16ee2502721b8597852&

[vital night]

Oh no yeah replace right and left with jazz and it’s real. I’m just providing possible reasoning for hestia>eris

Hestia>eris for me as a casual also 🤔

Also the original person asked for best aspects in her opinion, so I don’t see the issue here

[crude oriole]

hestia bestia always sounded pretty convincing to me tbh

eris beris just doesn't work

[vagrant crane]

unfortunately eris sux

[jolly chasm]

This is true

Eris stinky

[errant narwhal]

used to be so mete

but i like hestia

[celest dew]

Guys I just have two secret aspects left

Arthur and rama

My two least favorite weapons!

This will be greeeat

[tight basin]

Rama good tho

[pseudo stream]

What are the Beowulf bugs again? A quick google isn’t turning anything up except Mirage Shot

[proper furnace]

mirage shot is the most important one tbf
there's trippy flare pom bug (poms are double of what's shown)
tiny flare involves selling/swapping/rare cropping your atk, reduces aphro's flare aoe to base cast

Cshot dmg gets reverted if crop hits cast or smth like that

dash has no iframes while the casts are exploding (which I'm not sure if it's a bug?)

[pseudo stream]

This is the one. Even with Athena dash?

[proper furnace]

athena dash doesn't grant iframes

[pseudo stream]

Tiny flare seems like a bad thing lol

[proper furnace]

yeah it is annoying

[proper furnace]

(should be safe if you get the deflect but if you fail you'll get hit)

[pseudo stream]

Ah okay, and Athena dash can’t deflect aoe?

[proper furnace]

basically yeah

[pseudo stream]

Cool, that matches my experience

[last perch]

I wanna do some semi meme runs with Exclusive Access for the fun of it

What aspects would combine dio and Poseidon the best or in the most fun way? Zeus? Beo? Talks maybe?

[tight basin]

i think it's just using crop in general

i've only had it happen to me when it hit my cast but i remember asking afterwards about it and i was told it was a rare crop thing

[tight basin]

eris (dio atk, tdash)
achilles, and by extension i guess pos sword (trippy shot, tdash)
beo, similar to above basically except tdash might mess with hitting the shot so take like pos special since pos atk sucks lmao

i guess fists too, youd just build it like eris, but it'd be significantly weaker

[jolly chasm]

Dio Beo

[polar python]

Scintillating feast is fun, especially if you get splitting bolt on it

[sweet blade]

Does crit chance from the spear special hammer upgrade and artemis' flourish boon stack additively or multiplicatively?

[proper furnace]

Additively

[eager flint]

how would multiplicative crit chance even work ?

it's not like damage where you have 100% damage by default

"you have 50% more crit chance !" is still, like, 0%, if you start with 0%

[viral geode]

Probably like damage reduction

% reduced chance of not critting

Hey does anybody know how dodge % works?

Is that additive?

[eager flint]

yeah

[viral geode]

What about 100% dodge though

[proper furnace]

pretty reachable

and it just works

tho 100% uptime may be harder to get

[viral geode]

Does dodging itself trigger ruthless reflex

[proper furnace]

nope, but RR window is stupid big

[viral geode]

Eh, near misses are pretty easy anyways

[sick compass]

Anyone recommend me a build for the sword?

[eager flint]

merciful end

stupid

RNG

OP

Start ares, take ares attack, double edge hammer, athena special and dash, get athena/ares duo Merciful End, add Impending Doom from Ares

dash strike everywhere and have, like, 500 DPS with your neurons off

[sick compass]

And which aspect?

[proper furnace]

Yes

Nem does the most pre ME

[eager flint]

technically ME is played on all sword aspect

because it's just that broken

but yeah, nemesis is the best one for ME

[lucid oar]

Arthur doesn’t work that well with ME

[sick compass]

Okay thanks ill do nemesis then

[eager flint]

true, but it's still either the best or top3 build on arthur nonetheless

[lucid oar]

Low bar lol

[sweet blade]

Are the enkidu maim and rama shared suffering additive or multiplicative damage boosts?

[eager flint]

multiplicative

[proper furnace]

Wait wdym

[eager flint]

wdym what do I mean

it's multiplicative

[proper furnace]

Why would maim be multi?

[eager flint]

maim isn't ?

maybe I was wrong then

shared suffering is tho

[proper furnace]

Yeah took me a sec to catch that one

But maim should be additive afaik

Unless dmg calc is different than what I think

[sweet blade]

Does mirage shot still work if you use demeters cast? And if yes, does the second turret apply boon effects (like cold stacks)?

[proper furnace]

yes x2

[plain river]

Maim is regular additive, rama is specifically multiplicative since it’s doing 30% - 60% of the triggering attacks damage

[sage knoll]

is quick recovery better than swift strike?

ive always thought an attack speed buff would always be stronger, but i got the common version so its only 10% which lowkey isnt enough imo

but 30% heal after getting hit sounds nice too, but i never like the idea of taking things that only react if you get hit (shouldnt i just try to not get hit lol)

actually that just made me think...if i go for attack speed, ill likely just have to wait out of fights anyways to avoid certain attacks from hades, etc, and that time lost makes attack speed sort of less effective/efficient

im going QR

[proper furnace]

Swift strike is pretty much never the answer

What weapon was this anyways

[sage knoll]

shield

[proper furnace]

Swift strike is kinda funny if you have charged shot but at common I'd just take recovery yeah

[sage knoll]

its sounds so good, like ig bc i play other games where you can buff main weapons, it just sounds so strong to buff the thing youre gonna use the whole game

ig its just because there are too many instances of damages you need to stop attacking to avoid that makes the buff insignificant

[eager flint]

I mean, hyper delivery is also a buff to your main damage

whichever it is

since it buffs all damage

[sage knoll]

is that the ares boon

ig i meant that i find the idea of AS strong because you as the player (theoretically) have more control of the instances of damage you can do, which allows for more skillful play and could allow for someone who is really good to get even more value out of it

more time to dodge, more time to get back to another attack, more time to dash, more time to combo off another ability

so much more than just a flat damage boost

i wish it was more viable because its really really fun

[eager flint]

nah hyper delivery is hermes

combo of hyper sprint (+100% movement) and rush delivery (50-100% bonus movement speed becomes bonus damage)

so directly compete with swift whatever

and then there's greatest reflex

and greater haste

[sage knoll]

ohh okay ive thought about that but i didnt know how practical it was

does the damage still increase if you're not moving during the haste?

[eager flint]

yeah

[sage knoll]

okay thats awesome

i want to try it

[eager flint]

also, fun fact : movement speed bonus is multiplicative, so the bonus damage from rush delivery can increase exponentially the more ichors you buy

it's incredibly stupid and OP

and since you only get 2-3 hermes in a run, the attack speed will almost never be worth it when competing with those

I also heard it does less than you'd think ? But I'm not sure about that one

like I think it does nothing to dash strikes for example

[sage knoll]

wow that would be annoying

although i dont mind since i also think hyper sprint adds a ton more skill expression in the same way i think swift strike does

its just random to keep swift strike then

[strange charm]

Got a question; is every weapon okay to use? I'm telling myself that It's all up to our playstyles on what we find viable, but I hear the claws are really good, but I don't like them much myself.

[uneven basalt]

just play with what you want to

some people enjoy different things

the key is always to have fun

do what you want

[strange charm]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I've been loving the bow of Chiron tbh.

Only thing I wanna do now is focus on getting Duo boons, bbut I don't even know what triggers those.

[uneven basalt]

core boons from different gods do

[strange charm]

sorry forgive my ignorance, what is 'core'?

[proper furnace]

The boons that always show in the left of your ui

Attack/special/cast/dash/call

[strange charm]

Ahh the ones that affect your abilities then.

[proper furnace]

Yeah nothing for dash strikes

[vital night]

Certain combinations of core boons from different gods will unlock them

So if you want curse of nausea on chiron, you’d probably want dio special and curse of vengeance

Low tolerance you probably want dio special and aphro attack

[viral geode]

curse of vengeance is a special case as its not a core

i don't think there are any other non-core prerequisites

[vital night]

You need revenge boons for the Zeus ares duo

[viral geode]

wait cold fusion as well

and yeah some duos need other condtions as well as the specific cores

[vital night]

You also need a call for smair

Lrod needs infernal soul

[viral geode]

but you still need a core from each

[vital night]

Yeah but you also need a call

[tight basin]

Call is a core

Just not a priority core

[eager flint]

some weapons suck at high level, but the game is overall pretty well balanced. If you're not aiming for speedrunning and/or high heat, you can just go with whatever you feel like.

(also claws suck btw)

(protip : if reddit says something is good, then put it in the trash tier)

[sweet blade]

How does not-full ||Hades' Aid|| interact with blitz disc? If I aid first, then throw out the disc, does the disc get the damage bonus for its entire flight time, or only the first tick? Also, does the aid benefit an already active disc?

[proper furnace]

The dmg stays for the entire duration of the call, is the invisibility that goes away

And buffs apply on the moment of hit (exception of achilles spear's buff) so it doesn't matter when you activate it, you'll get the buff

[glass fractal]

What’s the deal with the heat system 😭

I got to hades with sword on 1 heat die go up to 2 heat and still can’t get rewards

[proper furnace]

Need to claim all bounties first

[glass fractal]

I see thanks

[proper furnace]

Otherwise you could just beat meg on each heat for quick blood lol

[terse dove]

Do you only get the heat system when you've beaten the game once?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

Or play on hell mode

[terse dove]

Ah, well I havent beaten yet so....

[waxen dragon]

What do you do with blood once you max the weapons?

[hot belfry]

theres a theme you can buy with it

uhhh

resource director

trade it back for diamonds and ambrosia sometimes

[proper furnace]

Are there even blood into diamond/ambrosia trades

Or only the 200 gems one

[hot belfry]

pretty sure yea

2 blood for 1 ambrosia

1 blood for 1 diamond

[hushed saffron]

I dont think call is included in core

Not 100% sure

[tight basin]

call is a core, just not priority

[sweet blade]

LMAO I just spent 2 minutes mathing out whether concentrated volley or relentless volley gives more damage at my current level of the aspect of chiron

[vital night]

Both 🙏

[strange charm]

Okay I put the trippy cast on Aspect of Beowulf...What the hell is going on lol

What is making it so powerful?

[vagrant crane]

pom bug

beowulf being the best aspect in the game

[strange charm]

Its bugged?

[tight basin]

Yeah

Pom values give twice as what the say

[strange charm]

What the heck is the intended effect?

[tight basin]

So when it says like 100->140 it's really 100->180

[strange charm]

Do the casts go off after I charge? I have no idea whats happening, just exploding.

[tight basin]

Yeah that

Charge then boom

Have you used Hera before

[strange charm]

If that's a shield, no.

I stick to sword and bow.

[tight basin]

Bow aspect

3rd aspect

Beowulf is basically Hera concept wise

Load cast and then shoot

[strange charm]

Ooh I see! I stick to Chiron.

Is Beowulf the only one bugged?

[tight basin]

Except beos cast explode rather than launch out

[tight basin]

There's other bugs but Beowulf is the most egregious

It has like 10 bugs lmao

Trippy pom bug is one of them

Mirage shot is the biggest tho

Gives 100% damage instead of 30% damage on the second shot

So start flood flare, find Artemis, get the duo, then win

[strange charm]

What are some other absolutely broken bugs like this? Are there any? Preferably ones that arent "set up this, this, this, this." but rather just Beowulf + Trippy

[tight basin]

None that are helpful lmao

The rest of the bugs that are just "get 1 thing" are harmful

Like rare crop screws with charged shot on beo

Thunder dash on non Arthur sword messes up dash strikes

[vital night]

Beo and trippy is just how dio cast interacts with beo and hera

[tight basin]

I guess rocket bomb and cluster bomb for base 400 without reduced damage but that's high rng lol

Most bugs in the game are actually harmful now that I think about it lmao

It's just flare mirage, beo trippy, and clockets isn't it

[vagrant crane]

wallbug

[tight basin]

Oh yeah that too

I guess than backstab too

[vital night]

Than backstab is just funny

[strange charm]

first attempt with the beowulf shield. very funny to just explode bosses. not sure if i liked it too much though.

sheild in general just feels so slow

[turbid needle]

is it just me or does every good fists build seem to boil down to merciful end

like im tryna get sub 10 fists, but the luck required to get merciful end in tartarus/asphodel unmodded is crazy

[proper furnace]

for sub 10 you could do zap fists too

or dash only

but yeah ME sadly is the answer most of the time

[waxen dragon]

Zag bow, any build tips? I tried triple shot. Kind of tough

[tight basin]

Aphro/Artemis attack and hunters mark basically

Tidal/hunters dash

[waxen dragon]

Ok I'll give it a try

[proper furnace]

if you want some range can go with twin shot instead

[waxen dragon]

Ok. I'll have a look

[coarse saddle]

Damn I'm having major skill issue at beating the 3rd boss

I'm mostly losing my death defiance in the 2nd stage

[last perch]

2nd stage of Asterius or Theseus?

[vital night]

try adding cshot. it makes beo a lot faster

[coarse saddle]

Thesus

[coarse saddle]

And 2nd stage like

The hydra level

I'm loosing most of my death defiances to the witches

And while battling hydra cuz I get carried away and the lava does more total damage to me than hydra

Before I get to thesus and asterius I loose my single left death defiance too

[ornate sable]

Dusa's keepsake my beloved

[waxen dragon]

I find the Minotaur and Theseus troublesome, I tend to lose a defiance there or more

Try for a range attack like a cast or something. Lightning rod is pretty neat

[inner summit]

Guys do you have in mind any fun and op build?? Apart from beo with poseidon cast