h1-builds-and-combat

[analog mauve]

huhhh

[eager flint]

• mesopotamian goddess, circa 4000 bc

[analog mauve]

i meant 325k darkness for unseen one

[manic creek]

ah

[eager flint]

Yeah yeah I got it

[manic creek]

The fists are fun ok

[eager flint]

But with that many hours you must be good enough for 64 gilga

[manic creek]

Hm I could practice

I'd say I'm pretty good w gilga

[errant narwhal]

i have a lot of hours in the game and i was barely good enough for 32

[manic creek]

Also I gtg

[manic creek]

My highest heat is like 18 or smth I'm screwed

Hades hard

[vital night]

Get into speedrunning and forget about the darkness farm

[rocky arrow]

Scintillating Feast doesn't mess with the trippy flare mirage shot bug on Hera and Beowulf right?

[proper furnace]

it shouldn't

[rocky arrow]

Ok thanks

[eager flint]

nah, only ice wine does that. Scintillating feast is ok (and very strong)

[crude oriole]

you can get smair with any call as long as you have zeus / aphro attack and special, right?

feels like i only get it with zeus call

[tight basin]

yeah it's any call

you prob only get it with zeus call bc that already fills a prereq so you dont need to get an extra boon lmao

[crude oriole]

i think it may also just be that i notice it more when i don't get sth i want vs when i accidentally smair

[tight basin]

lmao maybe

[proper furnace]

Except dad call for obvious reasons (or like, can get it but need a workaround)

[turbid needle]

build idea

varatha

that's it

[vagrant crane]

bad build

[eager flint]

Vetbaited has a point

[manic notch]

im not a heat player but i enjoy seeing gilga folks

[manic creek]

glad to hear that! gilga fun

[manic notch]

-is the resident gilgamesh speedrunner-

love my bappy pawbs

[manic creek]

do you mean you or me

[manic creek]

same they're so silly

also i just love fists overall

[manic notch]

me lol

[manic creek]

oh neat!

[manic notch]

6:33 unmodded / 5:41 modded pbs

[manic creek]

very nice

[manic notch]

if u ever uh, need paws gameplay to watch

[manic creek]

sure 👍

[potent tree]

paws gameplay? Sounds like speedrunning heh

[manic creek]

paws fun

[waxen dragon]

Guan yu build? I'm finding the health penalty is challenging, lost to Hades when I tried last.

[vagrant crane]

use special

[waxen dragon]

Yeah I try to use it almost exclusively. Maybe all Aphrodite?

[vagrant crane]

athena

special and dash

ares attack

merciful end duo

[waxen dragon]

Ok. Will give it a try. I think I did it the other way, Ares on the special. It was a bit slow to clear levels

[vital night]

Generally, Athena special start will be stronger bc the base damage is high so %is good on it

[waxen dragon]

Ok will give it a go

[glacial sonnet]

ME Chiron yay or nay? Doom on special or atk?

I imagine flurry shot would be kino with athena atk

[vagrant crane]

chiron sucks

and ME chiron is not a good idea

u have no proc rate

[waxen dragon]

Also, Artemis special on Chiron?

I played Poseidon special on Chiron with sea storm, razor shoal, was not bad.

[glacial sonnet]

Is there a proc rate limit for seastorm bolts? Can it trigger splitting bolt too?

[vital night]

Yeah it’s 2-3 bolts per volley I think

Each of those proc splitting like normal

[plain river]

lightning bolts are always .2s per enemy per source

…aside from heavens vengeance

I’m not sure on it

[glacial sonnet]

Mhmm

[plain river]

not to be confused w/ chain lightning (zeus strike/cast)

Those are .15

[waxen dragon]

I managed to get heart rend on Chiron, the Artemis special, was not bad.

[proper furnace]

Heaven's vengeance is so funny on laser enemies

[waxen dragon]

I don't know why lightning phalanx with exposed does so much damage, was seeing over 1000 damage especially when it deflects, though I didn't think it backstabbed?

[proper furnace]

If you don't have parting shot your casts can't backstab

So you probably just have a lot of dmg buffs for it

[celest dew]

Guys

I deleted Hades with Beowulf

Got trippy shot

And insane Zeus buffs

The fight didn't even last a minute

🙏

[tight basin]

trippy beo moment

[proper furnace]

Trippy flare moment

Now add mirage shot

[tight basin]

funny pom bug goes hard

[celest dew]

What is that again?

[tight basin]

pos arty duo

[celest dew]

What pom bug

[tight basin]

normally does 30% bonus damage on flares, but since it's bugged on flares it does an extra 100% lol

[proper furnace]

Trippy flare on beo gets double the value from each pom

First pom is +120 in reality

[celest dew]

Neat

I had like five lightning buffa

Plus a legendary

And call

[tight basin]

yeah the boon info menu doesnt tell you the actual value you're doing on trippy flare but it's a lot larger than it's supposed to be lmao

[celest dew]

Plus the duo

With four casts

[proper furnace]

Infernal or stygian soul

[tight basin]

you only see the true value of trippy flare if you get offered a replacement

funnily enough, you also get to see the true value of thunder flare this way, which is 0

[celest dew]

Which one is that

[proper furnace]

+2 casts vs regen

[celest dew]

Infernal

I usually don't do green

Because they suck

.

[proper furnace]

For trippy is worth

3 secs vs 5 secs

Sucks if you don't get extra casts but just one makes it nice

[celest dew]

But like

The extra cast damage

And they each make lightning

[proper furnace]

You are already nuking stuff with trippy flare beo

[celest dew]

[celest dew]

Yea, dead hades

No need to cut down

[proper furnace]

So you want to just get as many casts as fast as possible

[celest dew]

Londer duration is worse with the combo

[celest dew]

Wdym

I put casts in bull rush

Then shoot

[proper furnace]

Trippy flare gets stuck in the ground for 5 secs

[celest dew]

Ok

[proper furnace]

So you won't get your casts back until that happens

[celest dew]

Ok

[proper furnace]

With stygian it only takes 3

[celest dew]

Ok

That's bad

.

[proper furnace]

How

[celest dew]

Because I had the duo boon

That makes festive fog

[proper furnace]

Ah

[celest dew]

Make lightning

[proper furnace]

No your 1st cast would be still doing lightning

[celest dew]

Ok but more

And longer

🐙

[proper furnace]

It stays for the same amount of time

[celest dew]

Plus they each did like 260 damage

[proper furnace]

And fair on longer if you are doing the zeus route ig

[celest dew]

And I could do one at a time if needed

And I had the deadalus thing

Where bull rush is a shot

So I can just snipe with it

Oh yeeeeaa

[proper furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/942263189599563816/2022021300340500-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4

[celest dew]

Want to know something

[proper furnace]

Here's trippy with mirage

[celest dew]

In case you don't already?

E

That want ridiculous

Well anyway

Piercing shot

With Lucifer

Makes the attack ignore sheilds

Like Theseus

🥶

[proper furnace]

I mean it says in the description no

[celest dew]

Yea

[proper furnace]

All the piercing hammers do that

[celest dew]

I didn't know that

🙏

[proper furnace]

• charged shot

[celest dew]

Breh

Are Lucifer attack builds better than special builds?

I would think that attack ones are better

[proper furnace]

You use both

Triple bomb is still your best hammer

[celest dew]

Yep

Can you get divine flourish with Lucifer

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[celest dew]

And does the pulse deflect

Or just the ball

[proper furnace]

Lucifer only has 2 banned boons

[proper furnace]

I think it does

[proper furnace]

Hunter dash/chaos' lunge

[celest dew]

Huh

What's chaos lunge

[proper furnace]

Dash strike dmg

[analog mauve]

dash strikjhe

[celest dew]

Ah

[analog mauve]

stroike

[proper furnace]

Luci can't do that so begone they are

[celest dew]

Wait

Can you use triple beam with Lucifer

Like you can use special with the bow?

Or rocket bomb and spread?

[proper furnace]

You can't shotgun with it if that's what you mean

[celest dew]

Nooooooo

[proper furnace]

Don't think it would make a difference either

Cuz zeus cooldown

[celest dew]

?

What does Zeus have to do with it

[proper furnace]

Zeus boons have an internal cooldown

[celest dew]

???

[proper furnace]

Best in slot for attack

[celest dew]

What are you talking about

[analog mauve]

the god

zeus

[celest dew]

Ok it's the best

But like

What does it have to do with shotgun Luci

[tight basin]

lightnign strike has an internal cooldown of 0.15

so you wont get 3 procs of lightning point blank

[celest dew]

That's not what I wanted

[analog mauve]

then what

[celest dew]

Just triple beams on one person

[tight basin]

so what part of this is the shotgun then lol

yeah

[celest dew]

Like bow special

[tight basin]

you cant do that

bc of the internal cooldown

[celest dew]

Dawg

[proper furnace]

I think you can't shotgun at all with triple beam

[celest dew]

Do you get what I'm saying?

[tight basin]

clearly not lol

[celest dew]

That is unfortunate

[celest dew]

Well it makes sense really

You being bananas and all

[tight basin]

well not to me so like

explain more/better?

[celest dew]

With the bow

[proper furnace]

Tbh it still seems like a bad option, you are getting hit in like 1 sec

[celest dew]

If you're close

Like right up their butt

And special

All the arrows hit them

[tight basin]

oh this isn't specific to zeus atk i see

[celest dew]

Yea

Not at all related

[tight basin]

yeah the beams dont stack like that lmao

[celest dew]

Waaaah

Well

What if they're big enough?

Like lernie

Or hades

They're kinda fat

[tight basin]

prob same problem but no clue

but it's also not worth doing since you're gonna get smacked immediately lmao

and you're not gonna get like any meaningful damage

[analog mauve]

because of the cooldown

[celest dew]

Unless demeter

[tight basin]

not really

artic blast isn't gonna carry the damage

[celest dew]

WOULD YOU SHUTTUP ABOUT THE COOLDOWN

(no disrespect)

[analog mauve]

i tdont think so

[tight basin]

i mean anything besides lightning strike on luci is pretty bad

[celest dew]

Wouldn't percent damage be good?

With the damage building

[proper furnace]

You'd get hit

[tight basin]

it takes way to long to actually microwave something

except in like maybe tart/aspho

[celest dew]

Unleeeeeesss

[proper furnace]

Need to stay point blank too long for the ramp up

[tight basin]

but in ely the microwave kinda sucks

[celest dew]

That one hammer

Or hermes

[analog mauve]

If Zeus chain lightning internal cooldown has a million fans, then I'm one of them.
If Zeus chain lightning internal cooldown has one fan, then I'm THAT ONE.
If Zeus chain lightning internal cooldown has no fans, that means I'm dead.

[tight basin]

triple beam isn't practical anyways since you have to be like right on top of them, in which case you're getting smacked immediately

bow can go in and out pretty fast so it's not a big problem

luci you actually need to be there for a lot longer lmao

[proper furnace]

Where's the society if zeus icd wasn't a thing img

[celest dew]

I'm no longer talking about that

[tight basin]

what's the 1 hammer then

[celest dew]

Just Luci damage stack

[tight basin]

eternal chamber?

[proper furnace]

Eternal kills the ramp up

[celest dew]

The plus 30% damage buildup

[tight basin]

oh i mean

it's still the same problem it's just less lmao

[celest dew]

I hate that part

[celest dew]

Yea

Dodge

.

[proper furnace]

I hate the part where is not delta chamber

[tight basin]

you also have low aoe and not great ways of scaling damage past that point

other than like chaos but chaos kinda just breaks anything after enough buffs

[celest dew]

Special:

[tight basin]

yeah a standard luci build is the same in that regard

[celest dew]

And dash

[tight basin]

so i'm not gonna compare it to that

[celest dew]

Never forgor Poseidon dash

Or cast

[tight basin]

im specifically comparing the attacks of a standard luci build and your luci build

in which case like

everything is the same except the attack

lightning strike vs % modifier

[celest dew]

Mk

But like

[tight basin]

there's no point in bringing up special, dash, etc bc the other build would have the same

[celest dew]

It was only for the attack

Ah whatever

[tight basin]

also you're limited to 20 ammo and you can only microwave so much, esp in ely

also lightning strike helps blow up the specials faster and easier

[analog mauve]

did you mention the internal cooldown

i nee sleep sorry

[vale imp]

Came across a claim on the subreddit that Rare Crop won’t target Hermes Boons, is this true?

[vagrant crane]

yes

is this the first time in history the subreddit has been correct

[viral geode]

roiling grasp or epic maimed shot lmao

[proper furnace]

shot I think

[viral geode]

yeah i took shot and managed to survive on 1hp

[hot belfry]

mirage shot is specifically bugged for beowulf right

and not hera

[vital night]

P sure yeah

[lucid oar]

It’s bugged for flares

Which includes dio cast hera

[vital night]

Oh interesting

[lucid oar]

But I’m pretty sure it works as intended on slicing flare

It doubles thunder flare resulting in 0 extra damage

[vital night]

For beo and Hera?

[vital night]

Huge

[lucid oar]

Hera just uses slicing shot p sure

[vital night]

I c

[hot belfry]

oh hm

but aph cast on hera is still crush shot

so it’s just normal 30% then

[lucid oar]

Yup

[hot belfry]

alright thanks

thats unfortunate bc i’ve been having a lot more fun playing hera vs beowulf lol

[proper furnace]

Hera doesn't need mirage fwiw

[vital night]

Yeah

[hot belfry]

better to take 111% special or 45% undamaged enemies from chaos with hestia?

[vagrant crane]

special

[waxen dragon]

Beowulf build? I couldn't get past theseus and minotaur

[valid dagger]

You can do Flood Flare + Deadly Strike and get Mirage Shot

Pom your cast and scale with Chaos/well items

[polar python]

Beowulf is a shield aspect.

[eager flint]

What ?

[analog mauve]

beowulf is a shield aspect

[eager flint]

What ?

[analog mauve]

beowulf is a shield aspect

[polar python]

Have you unlocked weapon aspects yet (the 4 variations of each weapon you get after unlocking all weapons) ?

(that's to @waxen dragon)

[eager flint]

What ? Why would they ask for beo builds if they don't have beo ?

[waxen dragon]

I believe so, unless there are more

[polar python]

Then Beowulf is the 4th shield aspect (hidden at first and unlockable after finding the waking phrase).

[analog mauve]

what

[eager flint]

beowulf is a shield aspect

[proper furnace]

Thought it was a bow aspect

[eager flint]

What do you mean Alecto's dashes spread bullets when she's enraged ???

Was I supposed to discover it on a 40 heat run with a mouse I've never used ???

[polar python]

Unless I misread, someone suggested a Beo build to them and they didn't know what it was. I was trying to explain.

[eager flint]

I don't see it

I guess that's why I was puzzled

[vital night]

I think you may have misread

[waxen dragon]

Darn it, close, died to Hades using Beowulf. I don't think I know how to play it yet. Takes a long time to charge and retrieve casts. Tried to get mirage shot but it wasn't forthcoming, ended up with heart rend and sweet Nectar

[proper furnace]

do a dash strike into rush at point blank

also gotta take care of opening more duos

[waxen dragon]

Ah the key is to not unlock other duos? I tried that once and ended up with no boon on cast 😭

[proper furnace]

...what god did you start with?

but yeah focus on not opening unnecesary duos

[waxen dragon]

Poseidon. Didn't offer the cast, only the attack

[proper furnace]

ah that explains it lol

yeah not much you can do if you get vorime'd

[waxen dragon]

So I ended up dying with not many boons at all, just attack and call I think

[proper furnace]

if that happens on beo I'd either reset or just go for any other cast

if it's aphro's you can get away w/o mirage

(can still get mirage but you'd open sweet nectar/heart rend again)

phalanx flare has less dmg but doesn't open duos

no, it opens mettle oops

hunter flare exists ig

prob a little underwhelming if it doesn't crit

or extra dmg

[waxen dragon]

Ok. I hope I can more consistently best Hades with it. So far I've lost 3 times in a row

[proper furnace]

thunder/slicing flares are weird so I say don't bother with those

thunder doesn't get buffed from any cast dmg

icy flare is like, lame

but with mirage it should still be able to pull through

[waxen dragon]

Oh, I wondered if that fired crystal beams

[proper furnace]

nah

small explosion

and it has awful pom scaling and AoE

[glass fractal]

What are a few of y’all favourite casts for posiden sword I use phalanx shot

[vagrant crane]

phalanx is the canonical choice

[vital night]

I personally like Artemis

But ik it’s not a super popular choice

Imo just start tdash and see what you get

[glass fractal]

I don’t know what t dash means sorry

[vital night]

Tidal dash sorry

[waxen dragon]

I did lightning phalanx and that was pretty good

[waxen dragon]

Managed to clear with Beowulf and mirage shot

It seems the moment you get that, the damage pretty much doubles

[plain river]

That may be because… that’s exactly what happens

[glass fractal]

I just had that if I hadne’t used the hammer that make you jump forward when specialing I would have down Theseus for the first time on my new profile

[plain river]

Yeah dash nova ain’t great

[glass fractal]

Yeah😞

[waxen dragon]

Merciful end on Beowulf? Is that any good? Compared to mirage shot?

[proper furnace]

That'd be a meme

[eager flint]

not really

it can work, because ME is broken

but mirage shot is ten times better and easier to get

[crude cloak]

whats a good build for the gun?

[eager flint]

depends which one

but you can't really go wrong with zeus attack, big %dmg on special

rocket

cluster or triple bomb

[polar python]

Or for Hestia, Aphro attack, Artemis special and Hunter's Mark.

[dapper harness]

tidal dash is bis for all rails

[spark trout]

What’s a fun build to use out of Boredem

[proper furnace]

Super soaker

[spark trout]

What’s that

[proper furnace]

(lucifer pos attack, find zeus for sea storm)

The idea is just water gun

[spark trout]

Lucifer?

[proper furnace]

Ah-

4th aspect of the rail

[spark trout]

Mind you I haven’t maxed any of the weapons

Idk if I can get that aspect

[proper furnace]

What do you have then?

[spark trout]

Uhhh

[proper furnace]

Or like fav weapon/aspect

[spark trout]

Gauntlets

[proper furnace]

For funny
Talos + poseidon special for yoyo (just try to figure out where to get boss dmg from)
If lvl up dem fists explosive upper/kinetic launcher also good

[spark trout]

Alr

[proper furnace]

Otherwise use merciful end (ares attack/athena special for duo, grab dash so you can spam dash strikes)

[spark trout]

Imma finish this run and imma try that

[proper furnace]

Or zeus attack + static discharge/more zeus

[spark trout]

Jeez

There is way more to this game then I thought

[proper furnace]

Can add artemis for rod/zeus call + aphro smth for smoldering air

[spark trout]

I play Elden ring I thought this game was easy going for builds

[spark trout]

Imma try Zeus attack and posiden special

And get the call

[proper furnace]

The fun of zeus is that it just gets stronger the more zeus you add

If using call you mainly want double strike/splitting bolt

Smair + billowing strength is a permanent dmg buff basically

[spark trout]

Smair?

[proper furnace]

Smoldering air, aphro-zeus duo

Call charges on it's own, caps at 25%

[spark trout]

Alr

There is a lot to this game I need to check out on this next run then

[waxen dragon]

Oh I thought billowing was temporary.

[proper furnace]

It is

But smair charges call in 5 seconds

And billowing lasts 8-10? Don't remember

But in short smair keeps the buff all the time

[waxen dragon]

Ah ok. Which aspects and calls work best with smoldering air? Interested in trying

[proper furnace]

Yes

The fun of smair is the gods needed for it

[waxen dragon]

I keep forgetting to use call when I have smoldering air

[proper furnace]

If your weapon starts zeus you prob still have a big hit somewhere in your kit (think fists/rail special) where you can slot aphro in

And weapons that can start aphro can just add zeus call and have smair open

(and added benefit is that if your weapon starts aphro chances are that it doesn't have a good call charge rate on its own)

[proper furnace]

Main difference is that zeus starting is easier to get other calls into smair

Vs starting aphro where your best non zeus call would be cast

[proper furnace]

That comes with nuscle memory

Just use lesser calls outside of smair too

[glass fractal]

I love nuscle memory

[waxen dragon]

Wow just had a nemesis run clear with merciful end, the deflect Artemis duo, and hunting blades. Still lost one life in the Hades duel though

[rocky arrow]

Doom can crit right?

[proper furnace]

with pp/hunter's mark/wth was the athena-arte duo called

[rocky arrow]

Deadly Reversal

[stable wren]

whats a good build for aspect og hades

[plain river]

Explosive launcher + charged skewer + any +% based God on special

I would probably use aphrodite special/ zeus strike, then grab zeus or dionysus call from there

[stable wren]

ohhke

[plain river]

These are special boosting hammers that’ll leave you with a 150 base damage special to really make use of Hades spears +50-150%

[graceful viper]

I've been using a chiron build and I just got offered artemis' legendary boon in elysium, and I've got max stygian soul. Should I pivot to demeter cast?

[vital night]

do you have crystal clarity

[graceful viper]

not sure

[vital night]

oh

it's a duo boon that makes demeter cast not terrible

[graceful viper]

I don't have it, no

[vital night]

ait

well

if you're arty special, you probably still do more damage with it than demeter cast

[graceful viper]

I have zeus special and ares attack

[eager flint]

ah

that's

uh

fyi zeus special has a cooldown, so a chiron special is only 1 lightning per volley, 2 sometimes

Honestly I feel like arty legendary doesn't do much, but maybe with snow burst it would be ok ? Or maybe you'll be able to get crystal clarity ?

[graceful viper]

I'm in styx now and still no crystal clarity

[eager flint]

Also it's a lot of coins if you sell it

Well, good luck for getting it then

[graceful viper]

that's a shame to hear

[plain river]

“Should I pivot to dem cast” is always a no

It doesn’t do a great job @ what it tries to do

[graceful viper]

I managed to win in the end, but I think it was more demeter's calls that were doing the hard work than the casts

[eager flint]

wait, dem calls ? What was your artemis boons that unlocked the legendary ?

[graceful viper]

before getting the legendary i had pressure points and support fire

[eager flint]

oh, forgot arte can give you her legendary without core boons

weird

[graceful viper]

I also managed to come across 2 boons for making my call charge faster

[uneven sand]

what cast should i take for beowulf

dio, poseidon or aphro (passion flare)

[eager flint]

poseidon

and then take arty for mirage shot

you can actually do well on dio or aphro cast, but there's no reason to go for them when flood flare is right there

[ancient nimbus]

hmm for Beowold I would say

Ares

yea

[proper furnace]

[dapper harness]

Beowold

[tight basin]

can confirm, ares cast kinda sucks balls on beo

[ancient nimbus]

[hot belfry]

what counts as a status curse for privileged status

is it just the ones from gods? weak, jolted, etc

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[hot belfry]

or do shared suffering, maimed, whatever else also count

damn ok

[proper furnace]

Charm doesn't count for this btw

[hot belfry]

i thought heart rend rama would be even better

lmao

[proper furnace]

Eh is just 15% dmg more than FF

[near pelican]

It's really fun, especially with good hammer luck (like most Rama builds I guess).

Unfortunately the highest DPS for Rama are special builds, which aren't the most fun.

[proper furnace]

Wuh

[tight basin]

that's objectively wrong lol

[near pelican]

Is it no longer Zeus special?

[proper furnace]

You played during ea right

[tight basin]

That isn't the best way to play rama

[near pelican]

Yeah I played during EA and post-launch but I didn't follow the community as much after launch.

What's the highest DPS Rama build now?

[proper furnace]

Iirc rama was like, rlly bad before no

For like attack purpose

[tight basin]

Aphro/Artemis attack, hunters dash, and shared suffering

Smack everything for big damage in 1 shot

You'd still want Zeus special with static discharge but that's like supplemental damage bc you're using the special anyways

[hot belfry]

oh good ive been playing it right

[near pelican]

Seems good for rooms but not as good for bosses?

[hot belfry]

oh really?

[tight basin]

No it chunks bosses

[hot belfry]

is it better than heart rend

[proper furnace]

Shared suffering applies to bosses too

So yeah, big chunk

[tight basin]

Heart rend is kinda eh on rama

Like sure but it's inconsistent

[hot belfry]

4000 damage crits good

[tight basin]

Same reason why you don't run arty atk on hestia

[hot belfry]

but yea i can see that

[tight basin]

Yeah 15% of the time you over kill something

85% of the time it's mediocre

[hot belfry]

so is aph attack zeus special optimal

[tight basin]

If you get good hammers it's a lot faster but even without them it's still solid

Twin/triple with point blank/perfect

[near pelican]

I can see Heart Rend being crazy (I've played it many times and it is crazy) but Zeus special is just bonkers damage without requiring any effort nor luck. Well double strike is technically luck but the chance is higher and the number of opportunities is way higher than attack.

[tight basin]

Biggest boss chunks you can get that isn't beo or clockets

[hot belfry]

it doesnt really seem like that much damage

[tight basin]

Special only rama is rail at home lol

[hot belfry]

i feel like zeus special only triggers like once or twice per special

[near pelican]

I think I have a clip of me one-shotting my dad

[hot belfry]

on rama

[proper furnace]

Yup

[hot belfry]

ig with splitting bolt

[tight basin]

Yeah only once

[proper furnace]

Zeus cooldown moment

[hot belfry]

but then just play a different weapon

[proper furnace]

But jolted big dmg

[hot belfry]

ok yea that makes sense

[near pelican]

Double strike, jolted, splitting bolt

[tight basin]

Special only rama budget delta chamber unironically

[near pelican]

But Zeus fists with those same boons is more fun.

[hot belfry]

ngl i havent played fists without merciful end in forever

i should try that sometime

[near pelican]

If you don't get the boons and poms it's a reset

Fists without the right boons is really tedious

[plain river]

Yeah that’s thanks to the .2s per source per enemy bolt cooldown

[plain river]

yeah but the right boons are kind of just doom strike, zeus strike or dio strike

Actually doom needs quite a bit more since it’s sad without merciful end and ddash but

zeus is like -> get strike, get jolted, you’re set

dio is -> get poms, win, force in aphrodite for low tolerance to win harder

[graceful viper]

without this cooldown zeus special on bows would be like 2-3x damage, which is just not ok

[tight basin]

well zag bow and hera specials are kinda useless so not really

and i think someone tested it on chiron and they said it was underwhelming? although it might be better that it seems but not entirely sure

[graceful viper]

I actually think zag and hera specials are quite useful for stopping projectiles

[tight basin]

i mean you can use it for that sure but that doesn't do anything for the zeus internal cooldown

[plain river]

Nah zeus special on bows would be like 8 or 9* the damage 💀

2-3 is super lowball

[glacial sonnet]

is it better to have aphro or arte for eris special?

[analog mauve]

arty

but both work

[glacial sonnet]

if i have zeus on attack where should i slot aphro
im thinking zeus atk, pos dash, arte special
aphro cast?

[proper furnace]

90% of the time you won't get to have aphro in your god pool

[analog mauve]

i literally cannot play achilles this thing sucsk

[proper furnace]

You force pos/arte in aspho depending what you are missing and if your god pool got full w/o arte-aphro just slap on the special the first % god you find

[analog mauve]

i cant aim

[glacial sonnet]

tfw
zeus keepsake start, 2nd god dio
force arte in tart?

[analog mauve]

you mean aspho

?

[glacial sonnet]

yeah aspho

then maybe even pos keepsake in elysium

got scintillating feast as 3rd boon in tart lool

[analog mauve]

poseidon

[proper furnace]

Don't force gods past aspho

[glacial sonnet]

pos tart just b4 meg

only need arte in aspho

[proper furnace]

That works too

[analog mauve]

time to eris

the onyl usable aspect

[glacial sonnet]

dad call on eris good?

otherwise im just gna use acorn ig for ely and styx

[analog mauve]

acor

almost no reason to ever use dad call

[proper furnace]

I mean, if you wanna speedrun the yeah dad call good

(and big numbers funny even on non speedruns)

[hot belfry]

so is blown kiss just bad on hera

i feel like it’s making the cast completely miss smaller enemies

idk if i should be doing something different

[vagrant crane]

yes

u need to undershoot with blown kiss

completely breaks with flurry

[hot belfry]

ah yea that explains it

[glacial sonnet]

Do u guys use all the spare rerolls on charon wells in Elysium or smth when bringing hourglass keepsake

[eager flint]

usually yeah

after checking the purging pool if I run Underworld Customs

there's not many things you'll still want to reroll by Styx

Eventually the Hermes in shop, but that's still a toss-up

[waxen dragon]

Anyone know how to work with cold embrace? I find it awkward

[proper furnace]

it's simple

you don't

[vital night]

Free obols

I think a lot of people get baited bc Haelian made a video about it

[uneven sand]

is it just me or does someone else prefer passion flare over flood flare

[vagrant crane]

for heat sure

for low heat no

[tight basin]

if you dont feel like going for mirage shot, passion flare is good

but if you do use flood flare, it's kinda necessary (at least highly encouraged) to get mirage shot

[uneven sand]

passion flare does a bit more damage i think

yeah it does

[vagrant crane]

yeah but its tiny

doesnt go through walls

[tight basin]

passion flare does considerably more damage than flood flare, but that's what mirage shot is for

[vagrant crane]

doesnt open mirage and opens duos with both mirage gods

[tight basin]

i mean yeah flood into mirage is better than passion

but like you're missing the point lmao

[analog mauve]

Special build >>>>

[glacial sonnet]

what aspects can go well with hermes atk/special?

[vagrant crane]

there is no hermes attack or special

unless you mean swift strike and flourish

[glacial sonnet]

is 20% or 30% faster still never a good pick

[vagrant crane]

in which case none of them

[glacial sonnet]

ya i mean swift

does it go well with flurry hammers

[vagrant crane]

vaguely

[tight basin]

yeah swift strike/flourish kinda suck lol

[vagrant crane]

flurry shot and jab in particular

[tight basin]

swift flourish kinda works on rail but it's like eh

kinda whatever

[analog mauve]

yes

[glacial sonnet]

so basically only for zag bow i guess

[analog mauve]

And sword

Fun

[proper furnace]

Flourish on chiron + conc volley funny

Or flourish + exploding launcher

[uneven sand]

i need help pls

im on a hera crush shot build and i have aphro's atk, sweet surrender and blown kiss, what should i take

[dapper harness]

remove blown kiss

arti attk, with hunters mark is good

[uneven sand]

so ss

[dapper harness]

ss is good

[uneven sand]

k

[dapper harness]

blown kiss sucks on hera

[turbid needle]

So I'm tryne give nectar to meg fast but it takes me approximately 4:30 mins to get to the first bossfight, is there any way to make it faster?

[eager flint]

common speedrun tactics. FO2, take all chaos and the midshop, use a good minimalist build.

[waxen dragon]

Ugh got destroyed using the hidden fist aspect. Tried merciful end but I seemed to be really slow

[eager flint]

Yeah gilga sucks

[viral geode]

Tidal dash gilgamesh is actually satisfying

It's not very good but it can be fun

[eager flint]

I mean

It is pretty good by Gilgamesh standards

[dark slate]

Is there somewhere I can find early game builds? or do you recommend any?

[hexed maple]

any specific weapon or does it not matter

[dark slate]

Mmmm I like bow, but Im open to suggestions, I have a lot to try yet

[proper furnace]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide always works

[hexed maple]

there’s that

[proper furnace]

some builds won't be as effective w/o blood or mirror but is still good to check

as it also goes in detail on how to build

(keepsakes/god pool/etc)

just mind spoilers on hidden aspects/certain post credits keepsakes

[hexed maple]

a good build that i like to base my earlier runs around is Athena’s dash and ares’s doom. Pretty sure they have a really decent duo together too

[proper furnace]

ME is indeed powerful

but not on bow lol

is like the one weapon that can't run it well

[hexed maple]

mm yeah fair

it’s pretty slow imo

I’ve only gotten through the game 5 or so times with it then decided to just give up on it

[proper furnace]

bow is pretty fast

[hexed maple]

only really use it when dark thirst is on it

[proper furnace]

best tip for it is get used to the dash strike rhythm

and power shot timing

[hexed maple]

yes agreed

i just don’t use bow too often so i probably wouldn’t have the best advice on it lmao

[tight basin]

the only slow bow is chiron and rama, but rama isn't really that slow overall it's just chunky

[uneven sand]

i have dio offering his atk, special and premium vintage, i assume take the attack

[proper furnace]

what's this

as in wep/build I mean

[proper furnace]

(vintage is the answer most of the time)

If this was rama I'd take special

[plain river]

Bow is baller though tbf

I would expand your horizons to every weapon but

I love bow to death

[plain river]

It’s my only weapon that I’ve cleared sub10 with

[vagrant crane]

hera is the 2nd fastest aspect in the game

[plain river]

And it’s also like #2 speed weapon after bugowolf unless that changed recently

[vagrant crane]

zagbow is slow #3bh

[plain river]

Zagbow & Rama aren’t slow, they’re just not Hera

[proper furnace]

what aspect isn't slow for you

[vagrant crane]

beo

hera kinda

achilles kinda

hestia kinda

[plain river]

Beo kinda slow though tbh

[vagrant crane]

zagrail i guess

[plain river]

Only sub5

[vagrant crane]

grue

[plain river]

Like

Fast aspects have sub0’s vanilla

[vagrant crane]

true

but yeah like

zagbow kinda sucks

its just really bad damage

and reliant on a lot of stuff

like its not really that much worse than rama

for speed

better i mean

[plain river]

nuh uhh

it’s just fine

[vagrant crane]

welly eah

but that means sucks

but obv hera is hera

[uneven sand]

its really chunky though in the first stages of a run

[vagrant crane]

its chunky throughout

[tight basin]

you really went with the 5 best aspects for "not slow" but instead of eris you went with bad eris lmao

[vagrant crane]

eris sucks

[waxen dragon]

I thought Eris was supposedly the rail gun of choice for high heat or speed run? If not, what is?

[hot belfry]

iirc eris and hestia are like equally good

[vagrant crane]

for speed i would simply choose not to play rail

and for heat eris is better because u can take dc

but hestia is easier at like

50

or 54

or whatever

[tight basin]

For speed, hestia and eris are about equal. Eris is just more flashy and is easier to play
For heat, hestia is easiest and safest by a long shot

[vital night]

Savior cloner on hestia 💀

[analog mauve]

dc2: hold my damage control

[tight basin]

Just don't take dc2 duh

[analog mauve]

weak

[keen vortex]

this convo is from hours ago, but i can’t entirely understand where the gilgamesh shade comes from

i always found it to be fast as hell and one of the most fun to use weapons

I think other than Arthur, i think its one of the most consistent negative opinions on a weapon ive seen

[eager flint]

risky, slow, clunky mostly

[proper furnace]

Top aspect fr

[eager flint]

the dashes sucking is the main issue

[vagrant crane]

it has complete garbage dps and damage and the dashes suck and it’s clunky

[proper furnace]

Just don't ask which top

[eager flint]

it's very cool for sure

but it gets stopped fast by the game getting more difficult

[polar python]

I never understood the hate for Arthur, I love it.

[keen vortex]

Maybe im just build different then
I can pull success outta thin air with them

[polar python]

Big satisfying super crits.

[eager flint]

I mean, depends what you call "success"

[keen vortex]

I tried to like arthur, I just think I’m kind of bad with the sword in general, so I struggle to like it for that reason as well

[eager flint]

the game is very well balanced until you start pulling it apart

under 32 heat or sub9 speedrunning, there's not really any bad weapon

[keen vortex]

I mean i call success making it to hades, win or lose, because any build can technically win

[eager flint]

oh, yeah

gilgamesh is perfectly good for that

dynoed

[keen vortex]

darn

Most of my losses come from getting too confident against him, rather than a genuinely bad build

[eager flint]

it do be like that

[keen vortex]

either that or just relying too much on a specific concept of a desired build
like hoping for a whole run to get strong drink or to run into patroclus

[eager flint]

it do be like that again

[keen vortex]

i would hardly consider myself a good player though, so i tend to rely on things i know that work, as opposed to really trying hard

[vagrant crane]

you can do this every run under ~45 heat on any aspect

[keen vortex]

i havent even got close to that yet

i think my highest is like 7 or 8 heat 😳

[eager flint]

we all started low

at least I hope

[vagrant crane]

on my first run i cleared 64

with no boons

[eager flint]

Same. 64 minutes.

[keen vortex]

i think ive been playing for close to 2 years though, i feel like that makes it worse

[eager flint]

I mean, unless you spent 24 hours a day for those 2 years it doesn't mean that much

[keen vortex]

i didnt clear the 10 story runs until i was well into the 100 or more runs territory

[eager flint]

happens

[keen vortex]

it was pretty infuriating
then my brother started playing and did it in less than 70

never heard the end of that

But i digress

[eager flint]

have you tried killing your brother ? Based on the game, murdering your family is always the right call.

[keen vortex]

considered it, once he beat the story before me
worst part is i was in the room and kinda heard some of it so it meant less when i did it

but hey, you live and you learn

Or i guess in this games context, you die and you learn

But again, i digress

A lot of the builds that people tend to not love, like gilgamesh and the shield’s aspect of chaos, are the ones i love and stick with

Even arthur, i think it can be good at times, its just clunky as all hell

[vital night]

Only on the third hit and hestia has the same base damage

[vagrant crane]

it does not

hestia is 17 billion times better than arthur

but its base damage is 150

arthur thrid swing 200

[keen vortex]

The only thing i’d genuinely change, off the top of my head anyway, is the speed of the special

the slow startup of it makes it a genuine burden to use
even using hermes boons cant help it

[eager flint]

Agree. If they want Arthur to be clunky like that for design reasons, it should at least give sturdy during the animation and be able to reapply holy ground somewhere else

[viral geode]

why have i got ME chaos shield

this is so weird

[eager flint]

I'd imagine it's the best chaos build

On account of chaos aspect sucking hard

[proper furnace]

I think it stills cshot spam for any heat

[viral geode]

except doom on the special lmao

[eager flint]

Ah

[vital night]

Oh mb

Basically the same

[waxen dragon]

I tried Hera with mirage shot, greater recall, lightning rod and lightning phalanx and it seemed quite good.

Also tried Beowulf with the same combination and it seemed slightly worse but still good.

[eager flint]

everything would be good with 3 duos and a legendary lol

well, unless the duos are like cold embrace splitting headache mettle

[waxen dragon]

I think the Athena cast is quite handy with the added deflection safety compared to the Poseidon cast, despite knock back

[eager flint]

what

you never take poseidon cast on hera tho

[proper furnace]

Greater recall and rod doing a good anti-sinergy there

(fwiw, rod bad on cast builds as it reduces pick up range)

[waxen dragon]

What do hera and Beowulf take for cast usually?

[proper furnace]

Beo does take pos

Hera goes crush shot

Beo can also do passion/trippy flare
Hera phalanx is also there but is like, crush >>>>>>>>> phalanx

[viral geode]

I swear hera can also take trippy

Idk why hera phalanx is even a thing its so bad

[proper furnace]

It has mirage bug but no pom bug

So is more of a "why tho"

[proper furnace]

Solid dmg, deflect nice

But yeah miss once and have fun seeing where your casts go

[viral geode]

I tried it only once

Casts just went all over the place

Also too slow

[proper furnace]

It has the funny gimmick with parting shot where you can backstab from the front

[viral geode]

Yeah that as well

[waxen dragon]

Yeah I got the blinding flash thing.

[proper furnace]

Blinding flash doesn't work on cast by default

[waxen dragon]

I just got beaten using Nemesis

[waxen dragon]

Oh? Maybe it was the deflect critical thing

[proper furnace]

Yeah that's the entire point of parting shot

To allow your casts to backstab

W/o it you can inflict the status but won't interact with it

[waxen dragon]

Yeah I kind of enjoyed the lightning phalanx. Does it do static discharge?

[proper furnace]

No

[waxen dragon]

Ah bummer. Still it's fun having bouncing deflecting things around.

A bit tricky to aim due to slowness. Managed to clear it with a Poseidon aspect and parting shot, lightning phalanx,got lucky with many many chaos boons

[ancient nimbus]

tracking cast

plus freezing rift

its game over for pops

[proper furnace]

Can't combine hunting blades + freezing vortex

[ancient nimbus]

its, joever...

[waxen dragon]

Managed to clear with Gilgamesh mainly using thunder dash and lightning rod.

[eager flint]

lightning rod kinda cracked

[waxen dragon]

Does that mean it's good?

[eager flint]

yes

cracked, busted, op, broken

gamer lingo is like that sometimes

unintelligible

[waxen dragon]

Why is lightning rod cracked?

[eager flint]

big damage, big jolted, big range, easy to use

[tight basin]

free damage lol

[eager flint]

I mean

so is support fire

yet one is much better than the other

[tight basin]

lmao yeah

support fire doesnt mess with fiery

and is also significantly less damage

with no scaling

[analog mauve]

im lightning rod hater

[eager flint]

hubris

zues on his way to smite you

[analog mauve]

thats why i not get dem jolt

[eager flint]

modern smiting

[waxen dragon]

Barely managed to clear it using Guan Yu, lucky visit to Patroclus to get lives back, used lightning rod and phalanx shot and Athena Aphrodite duo

[celest dew]

Guan yu divine strike go brrrr

[last perch]

I'm trying to be more consistent for 32 heat Rama. My general mandatory gods right now are Aphrodite on attack and Artemis on Dash-Strike, but I'm having a little trouble knowing what gods are best for the other two slots to work towards (when I either get both in Tart or just in general to know if I should keep a god out of my pool)

Posiedon is particularly tempting because Flood Shot is decent on its own and enables Sweet Nectar for better poms. I can't decide which one is better out of Zeus or Dio on special. The issue I find is whenever I go with Dio it enables Low Tolerance which is not really that useful of a duo for this build I think, and his tier 2s are kinda mid

Sometimes I put Ares on special and it's fine but not particularly great. Fourth god (when no Poseidon) generally ends up being Athena and doesn't really matter much

[lapis sandal]

low tolerance might combo well if you have dionysus cast
could cast and then go in for the increased damage with aphrodite
not sure how viable that is but at least you'd be able to make use of the duo

[last perch]

Dio's call is also annoying because it's good but only when you don't also have Dio on special

[proper furnace]

I'd go for zeus/dio special force in aspho

Hunter/divine are good but the utility from the special are much better

[last perch]

True, but which one I always waffle on

[proper furnace]

I'd say zeus

No problem finding jolted on 3d

Can also take his call into smair

Or dio's lol

Also I'd just leave cast empty

[last perch]

I also just remember Artemis and Dio have a duo for critfishing

Oh but I need Artemis on some non-dash core for that, that's why I don't get that since I switch to Aphro attack

[proper furnace]

If you want rama crits just go pp + mark

Assuming you find arty

[last perch]

Yeah that's what I generally do when I can

Ok so then I think zeus spesh is probably better

Also means Lightning Rod is possible for whatever that's worth (probably not much)

[proper furnace]

Rod is nice

Free dmg gud

[last perch]

Well sure but I don't use cast much other than as boiling blood enabler for rama

[proper furnace]

That leaves 2 casts free for rod

Just throw them at a wall or smth

[last perch]

true

[plain river]

405 obols

[plain river]

This is the worst arty duo and the worst dio duo

[last perch]

yeah honestly sweet nectar is also pretty useful to have a chance to purge before styx to get an influx

[vital night]

LR is nice for jolted application

[plain river]

do not consider it

Splitting headache sux

[last perch]

I didn't say it was all too good necessarily but it was worth considering when thinking about zeus vs dio

[plain river]

It’ll only give crit chance to things that abve a crit chance

and

It’s minimal amounts

[proper furnace]

Calc risk??

[last perch]

minimal amounts of crit chance go a fairly long way on rama, I will say, but I do think zeus is better still

[plain river]

It’s just a weird quirk with this boon itself

[plain river]

The thing with rama is

You’re already hitting so much less often

the boost to crit is so much less often

And it’s going to end up meaning you hit an enemy for 3* their max hp compared to just running like aphrodite

oh wait you’@dbe running artemis on dash

Then you can’t even get splitting headache

[plain river]

it can only give crit chance to things that already have a crit chance

so unless you have an arty boon on strike or presspure points

[last perch]

right, but often in some runs I end up picking up true shot and pressure points along the way anyway

[plain river]

yeah but you’re now 3 boons in to sometimes way overkill an enemy

[last perch]

yeah, it mainly ends up being used to absolutely chunk through hades

[plain river]

rather than boosting your overgr damage to consistently kill enemies in one shot

[last perch]

but yeah I do agree that overall zeus is better regardless

cause there's lightning rod, there's potentially smoldering air, there's good tier 2s, it just does seem better overall

[plain river]

Smouldering air is a lot more value to consider then lightning rod

And the zeus t2s are also a lot more vlauable then lrod

well

with a zeus call anyways

[glacial sonnet]

Does exit wounds work on zeus cast ricochets or lightning phalanx

[waxen dragon]

I think it only works on the last target it stick into

[glacial sonnet]

Unfortunate

[acoustic skiff]

yeah they need to have the bloodstone in them, there's an icon on the enemy it goes into

[waxen dragon]

I seem to always pick the duo before anything else, excepting static discharge

[uncut tapir]

Lol I need help, got the Ares boon with normal curse of agony, but also Epic slicing shot. I’m running for athena/Ares duo boon so what do I do😂

[turbid needle]

guys,|| i defeated hades twice|| , so for the third time, i was thinking of trying a cast build which is easy to learn, what weapon and aspect fits that the best
i have 8 titan blood

[eager flint]

I think the most easy to learn is poseidon sword with athena cast. Just be careful in big map, your cast can go far away and it's a hassle to go pick up the bloodstone.

Slightly harder is Hera, but it's much, much stronger

It's also better at low level

Poseidon should be maxed out if you want to use it, Hera can be kept lvl1 and you would only have slightly worse bossfights.

oh, and hera uses crush shot btw. Don't try another cast, crush shot is both the best and easiest

[turbid needle]

i see, thanks! i can only lvl 3 poseidon, ig ill do lvl 3 hera

[eager flint]

meh, you really can keep it level one

that way you can see if you like playing it or not

and can wait to invest into it

[turbid needle]

thanks , ill do that then

[turbid needle]

i like playing it, did really well against meg and the bone boss, but jesus theseus and that minotaur was literal cancer as a bow

[ancient nimbus]

yo uh

censoring that

is hella flawed

I suggest not censoring that at all

is litterally the most well known thing ingame

[turbid needle]

LMFAO, i first wrote this in hades for new players, so censored it there, realised it wasnt a builds channel, copy pasted it here

[ancient nimbus]

I get with

the prick and bull

being a suprise

the furries too

everyone in the greek neighborhood knows

[turbid needle]

LMFAO true

[plain river]

Eh

Not everyone knows

And it’s not very nice to just

Let them know early

[ancient nimbus]

alr alr

yea lets start deleting the msgs

[plain river]

You don’t need to delete anything here

it’s just Hades for new players where it needs to be censored

[ancient nimbus]

huh

[plain river]

We just kind of expect them to stay there until they feel like they can’t get spoiled for anything

[ancient nimbus]

well ngl

I dont want to spoil either

I want my

once every while new player

to discover the lore

and not had watched a youtube video reviewing the game beforehand

cuz boy aint that a good way to check the quality of indie games

[glacial sonnet]

is there a zeus shield build faster than mirage shot beo

[proper furnace]

No

[vital night]

Is there a X faster than mirage beo will always be no

Unless Hera gets a better seed

[tight basin]

Maybe Achilles too

Considering sub5 had only been done once on it lmao

[vital night]

True

[last perch]

At what level does it become more worth it, DPS-wise, to pom Pressure Points vs Heartbreak Strike (for Rama)? It starts getting to 5% and it feels intuitively worse than increased crit chance, but I don't know if that actually bears out in the math. How do I approach trying to work that out?

[proper furnace]

lvl 5 is fine for aphro atk yeah (and most boons fwiw)

but also don't pom PP

if you have hunter's do that instead

or stuff like zeus call/special/static discharge

dio special too

[lucid oar]

Yeah instead of pomming pressure points it’s worth finding another source of fast hitting dps like razor shoals or hangover

With hunters mark that’ll be much better

[tight basin]

if you have to pom pressure points, it'd be bc all the options are bad lol

it's like the best bad boon out of everything that exists lmao

[manic notch]

https://youtu.be/EJdhsMBY_hE?si=6d_yksdvio6MGjpg

Here's a better example by the way uwu

[polar python]

Does damage from Razor shoals crit then? It never occurred to me that it might, because it's not damage you deal directly (enemies kinda damage themselves by moving)?

[plain river]

It can

[waxen dragon]

Does razor shoal apply in Beowulf flood flare?