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#h1-builds-and-combat
valid dagger
plain river
specific +% (strike/special/cast) won’t buff flat damage added to them (lightning, doom, hangover). Just a general thing
glacial sonnet
specific +% (strike/special/cast) won’t buff flat damage added to them (lightnin...
Eris good
Eris ME build 
If i sell Athena special after getting ME does the duo still work? I'll get athena dash ofc to trigger it
waxen dragon
At what point should I add heat levels? Should I be able to consistently beat the game on 0 heat with no lives lost? I tried heat 4 and get killed in the last realm or Hades
vagrant crane
At what point should I add heat levels? Should I be able to consistently beat th...
with the right heat choices, low heat will play basically identically to 0
you can look at this guide for some guidance
but some people (like me) would say it takes em3 too early
which is because its a guide for how to build to 32
waxen dragon
you can look at this guide for some guidance
Thanks. I was just picking random things.
rocky arrow
achilles eshot
waxen dragon
Ah thanks. I tend to choose the butterfly or the plume keepsake at the start but maybe choosing the god ones would be better early on
eager flint
It would be much better yeah 
waxen dragon
It usually takes me about 20-30 minutes to clear a run if I do, so I think these might help me clear more consistent and quicker
viral geode
Fun Zeus builds? Not the shield but the god
zap fists
Also slap zeus special on rama, smair and Rod nice
rocky arrow
achilles eshot
What other boons?
plain river
Fun Zeus builds? Not the shield but the god
Any weapon: put zeus on the faster of attack/special, put aphrodite on the other, grab zeus call or dio call, & just roll with more zeus secondaries like static discharge and double strike
glacial sonnet
What are the worst gods to get the common rarity of their boons?
Im not hosed if my zeus attack is white instead of purple right
Artemis commons tho..
vagrant crane
What are the worst gods to get the common rarity of their boons?
Im not hosed if...
artemis rarity literally just does not matter
for atk/spec
glacial sonnet
But the percentage is giga low
glacial sonnet
Is it bad to get common on aphro?
proper furnace
Ares common also meh
tight basin
generally speaking, ares and aphrodite common attack suck
aphro atk is still better than like rare athena/dem so like it's not the end of the world but it's really sad
eager flint
On rama, aphro attack goes from 50% to 98% with rarity alone. Made me get a mod so the first boon is always epic.
waxen dragon
also you'll probably want to learn how to make good builds
Awesome I managed to clear 2 heat in 26 minutes with zagreus fist based on the site, tried to get merciful end but didn't get it.
crude oriole
"tried to get merciful end but didn't get it" is a typical merciful end experience
plain river
But the percentage is giga low
Since rarity is a multiplier to the base +%s
and artes is so low to start of with
Higher rarity multiplying the low starting +% isn’t doing crap
This is what I mean by a multiplier to the base +%
All +% core boons (hunter dash doesn’t count) follow the pattern of 1.3-1.5, 1.8-2.0, 2.3-2.5* the initial common +%
analog mauve
🤓
glass fractal
So I was wondering what I can do to improve this build (it’s just my average build with the options i take)
Chiron bow with dio or Zeus special, aphro attack,
Athena dash and cast
Out of all the hammers a like concentrated volley and charged volley combo,
I always take extra dahs from Hermes’ and also like side hustle
I prioritise shops over aphro but not dio and zuzes or Athena, I take chaos unless there is a hammer and I don’t have concentrated volley,
What can I improve for my first clear also if more info is needed just ping me.
Oh and my aspect is only level on which I am working on
vagrant crane
So I was wondering what I can do to improve this build (it’s just my average bui...
easiest way
use a better aspect
glass fractal
use a better aspect
Example? (I haven’t unlocked any of the hidden ones yet)
plain river
So I was wondering what I can do to improve this build (it’s just my average bui...
Improve on it by forgetting about zeus
plain river
Example? (I haven’t unlocked any of the hidden ones yet)
Literally any other bow aspect
vagrant crane
Example? (I haven’t unlocked any of the hidden ones yet)
pick an aspect
that aspect will be better than chiron
plain river
that aspect will be better than chiron
Talos: Gilgamesh:
glass fractal
Literally any other bow aspect
I currently only have hera and zag other then Chiron
vagrant crane
those two are both way way way way way way way better than chiron
plain river
So I was wondering what I can do to improve this build (it’s just my average bui...
Chiron is nigh unusable until lvl 4/5, either way Zeus doesn’t really work on it due to zeus’ internal cooldowns (chain lightning can only prok 1/ 0.15s and lightning strikes only once every .2 seconds per source per enemy)
glass fractal
Chiron is nigh unusable until lvl 4/5, either way Zeus doesn’t really work on it...
Ah I see
plain river
Chiron is nigh unusable until lvl 4/5, either way Zeus doesn’t really work on it...
Since all chirons arrows hit at like the same time
glass fractal
Thanks for the help
plain river
You only get 1 or 2 strikes
Instead of the 8 you may expect from hearing maxed chiron shoots 8 bolts
Dionysus special is cooking if you know what you’re doing but in the end it’s chiron
vagrant crane
Chiron is nigh unusable until lvl 4/5, either way Zeus doesn’t really work on it...
it’s a little more complicated #787779476888354816 message
not relevant for advice but
glass fractal
I don’t really understand hera does it simply carry the cast alone with it?
tight basin
you load the cast into the arrow and when you shoot, the casts hit the enemy
you wanna use aphrodite's cast bc it has the most damage
and pom it a lot
if you miss the cast, it'll just drop where you missed instead of flying off into the room like the other casts
plain river
So I was wondering what I can do to improve this build (it’s just my average bui...
For dio focused chiron, you pretty much want to take this build and just flip attack and special so it works for chiron
Rather than exclusively focusing on greatest reflex for extra dashes (greatest reflex is good don’t get me wrong) & side hustle (side hustle is bad, don’t get me wrong), you should also keep your eyes out for hyper sprint -> rush delivery
Hyper sprint doubles your movespeed after dashing & rush delivery boosts your damage based on your current extra movespeed
glass fractal
Hyper sprint doubles your movespeed after dashing & rush delivery boosts your da...
Oh cool
plain river
Dio scales really well by just pomming pomming pomming
Then you have aphrodite to boost your # of stacks
ares curse of vengeance to boost curse of nausea speed
& whatever else you find that won’t get in the wya
zeus call is always great dps, especially with aphrodite in the build because smouldering air (their duo) just works
glass fractal
Yeah o love zuzes call I forgot to mention it though mb
plain river
Tidal dash from poseidon can help you get double value from those poms going on your hangover or possibly
guaranteed epic rarity if your hermes is that late
/for all other boons too but hermes and chaos are the main ones that care in this build
If you keep the overall # of boons you get low
You can make sure most (if not all) of your poms end up on hangover
Hangover builds work on any weapon btw, just put hangover on the faster of attack/special and aphrodite on the other
there are some weapons that would really rather other builds but rhat can’t stop you from forcing it in and having it work better than a lot of whatever else you could cook up
& dionysus call is always an option for the edge cases like every non-zeus shield where they don’t have a good way of appying hangover
glass fractal
👍
plain river
👍
It’s like one of my favourite builds so I have a lot to gush about it
avoid splitting headache it’s really not worth anything
The boost at face value is minimal compared to Hangovers other 2 duos, and once you learn that the crit boost only applies to things that can already crit
glacial sonnet
Fellers
If using eris rail is the damage from zeus attack the main attraction of the build? I wanna try using dio attack on it
Oh i guess also missed jolt opportunity
Dio, aphro, zeus cast and/or call, idk artemis ig for last
plain river
Fellers
If using eris rail is the damage from zeus attack the main attraction of...
Dio misses out on all the aoe from chain lightning and jolted
glacial sonnet
Is storm lightning good or is it wasted bc low enemy counts
The one with extra chains
analog mauve
i think rail is the only weapon in the game that can only hit 1 enemy at a time
glacial sonnet
Can lightning bolts aim same target twice?
plain river
Bolts have to wait .2s
glacial sonnet
Like i hit guy a and it bounces to guy b and it bounces back to guy a
polar python
After bouncing, yes.
plain river
Oh y’mean chain lightning
glacial sonnet
Ya
analog mauve
i dont think so
polar python
Yeah, there's a strong difference between bolts and chain lightning.
Note that some boons only work with one or the other and won't be offered if you don't have the right one (e.g. Zeus cast won't open up the chance to get double strike, because cast is bolts and double strike only applies to strikes).
eager flint
some boons will have randomness at rarity
Oh, I thought it was depending on the weapon. Like, it was rounded so with different base damage you get different rounding
vagrant crane
no
glacial sonnet
Note that some boons only work with one or the other and won't be offered if you...
til
plain river
I mean it would be pretty annoying to learn that you fancy new double strike boon does nothing with your zeus strike
glacial sonnet
Zesus
plain river
Bc zeus strike is chain lightning & not bolts
or that your impending doom does nothing for hunting blades
polar python
Yeah, while other gods have this issue too (Dio cast doesn't cause hangover, so won't open up hangover related boons) I think people just assume that all lightning is the same (I mean it feels that way irl after all) so miss the fact there are 2 very distinct flavours. Boon descriptions are actually very carefully worded though and almost never ambiguous about what the effect is.
glacial sonnet
Jolt comes from either right bc sd just says lightning effect
plain river
Jolt comes from either right bc sd just says lightning effect
Yeah jolt is either
polar python
Yup, and the description (at least in English) is clear about it. Apparently not all the translations were great though, so I don't know about other languages.
And if in doubt there's always the codex.
waxen dragon
Gosh I'm still failing on Talos aspect and hidden spear aspect
eager flint
normal
polar python
Talos has a few specifically good builds (e.g. Pinball with Poseidon) but is a bit weak otherwise.
eager flint
"good" is a stretch
Talos is mostly zagspect without the dodge chance. Which honestly is not that big of a deal I guess ?
polar python
I've got it to 32 heat, but you start to really need the right build (Poseidon, Breaking Wave, Razor Shoals, Sea Storm, Double Strike, Jolted).
eager flint
at that point I'd play ME like a sheep ngl lol
I don't remember what I used on my 32 talos clear. Probably ME.
polar python
Honestly, truly, I think I've used ME about 3 times in hundreds of runs. Certainly less than 10, probably less than 5.
void moss
What happens if I skip heat levels? Like if my max is 10 and I get lucky with say 13 heat. Will I get the rewards of the previous tiers too or do I have to go back and do those?
proper furnace
What happens if I skip heat levels? Like if my max is 10 and I get lucky with sa...
it'll claim the bounties for lowest heat available
so you'd get heat 10 bounties, then if you repeat the same pact and win you'll claim heat 11 and so on till it catches up
then you up the heat again
wide edge
Getting attack damage is better than dash-strike damage right, like does attack damage affect dash-strike damage or not?
dapper harness
depends on the aspect and if it's chaos depends on the curse too
but yeah attk dmg also increases dash-strike dmg
i think generally dash-strike has higher value than attk on chaos
plain river
Getting attack damage is better than dash-strike damage right, like does attack ...
90% of aspects would make equally good use of any dash strike +%
And dash strike is generally higher +% then an equal rarity strike boon from chaos
The crux of it does kind of end up being the curses thou
dapper harness
yea it depends on the build, boons aspect
plain river
90% of aspects would make equally good use of any dash strike +%
Most weapons/aspect just dash strike instead of striking for their dps so it’s more worth to grab the higher +%
dapper harness
for nem and rama i'd prolly take dash-strike since u already have an attk boon
plain river
Arthur is the only weapon where I’d take strike over dash strike from chaos
Maybe spin gy
plain river
Maybe spin gy
But until like 60 heat special focused gy is better & in that case it’s special > dash strike > strike
dapper harness
do the spins get dash-strike bonus?
plain river
No but you just aren’t spinning with gy till high high heat
but you are dash striking
So
vagrant crane
its crazy that we have to say that now
analog mauve
i should watch the guan yu run
rocky arrow
Should I take phalanx shot/lightning phalanx or true shot for an aspect of Poseidon exit wounds build?
eager flint
yeah, exit wounds is nice on bosses but not the core of the build
glass fractal
INFO DUMP TIME!!!!
So a couple days ago I asked what would would help me clear first time we talked about bow but I was wondering about hr other wepons
I have spear aspect of zag level 3, and aspect of Chiron 2
Bow aspect of zag 2 , aspect of Hera 1 , and aspect of Chiron 1
Raven shot thing aspect of Hera 1,
That’s all
(Yes it’s cursed I was ignorant back then)
I play mostly with bow (haven’t tried hera yet but have played a lot of Chiron) and spear ( aspect of Chiron) but I’m getting into shield,
With bow and shield I get to theseues and the mioutor quite easily but struggle with them.
Styx is ok but I occasionally lose a Dd
What aspects should i focus on/ play / upgrade
glass fractal
INFO DUMP TIME!!!!
So a couple days ago I asked what would would help me clear...
I mean Achilles spear mb
dapper harness
What aspects should i focus on/ play / upgrade
the rule is whichever you enjoy playing
but shield is prolly best for clearing dure to it's blocking
proper furnace
shield is so sad without charged shot though
The aspect of zeus in question:
eager flint
INFO DUMP TIME!!!!
So a couple days ago I asked what would would help me clear...
Achilles spear is very good. A bit technical, but going hunting blade gives you an easy clear. Ares for slicing shot, Artemis for attack or special (preferably attack), take the duo, and you're set. You can still scale with Chaos boons and well items, but you're already good with the duo.
rocky arrow
Just maxed Demeter fists and wondering what to do lol
tight basin
Punch stuff probably
turbid needle
Has anyone made a legitimately decent build with the blizzard shot duo before
eager flint
Kind of I think. Not me, but I remember someone on the discord saying they did.
tight basin
the only one that kinda exists is like blizzard shot on talos
bc you can pull things back into the shot
i've never done it bc it just seems incredibly sus
and having to force flood shot and some dem core on fists sounds not great lmao
plain river
and having to force flood shot and some dem core on fists sounds not great lmao
Heavy knuckle you get discount spreadfre
tight basin
pain and suffering
tight basin
both work
if you're going for only zeus boons then doesnt really matter too much
eris can work too but you wont get too much mileage out of the special other than the global buff
vital night
Zeus^2? Zapfists?
Zeus shield is most fun if you get the yoyo mechanic down but it has a higher heat ceiling. Zap fists is more immediate gratification bc you just hold down attack but heat ceiling/safety is lower
waxen dragon
Gosh nearly failed Hera run, I got one of those chaos boons where it hurts me when I cast, lost all my lives and bought one back in time with just enough to beat Hades. It was terrible trying to kill stuff without using cast, and no boons on the attack or special. But once I got past that, the cast damage from Hera seems quite chunky.
plain river
Gosh nearly failed Hera run, I got one of those chaos boons where it hurts me wh...
I mean typically you do pick up an attack boon
Either because it compliments your cast, it fills the core, or it’s just usefyk +%
And your 2 bow hammers will ideally help with that too
W/chaos you always have to weigh the curse against the bonus, but Hera should be able to handle not casting pretty fine unless it’s Elysium
tawny musk
🙌 Aspect of Arthur is best aspect
vagrant crane
thats a weird way to spell worst
tawny musk
bruh
use arthur and then (i forgot the name) use the trinket that gives +200% damage to attacks with no boon
carries me
vagrant crane
yeah
hot belfry
why not just use a normal keepsake and get an attack boon that gives more damage
vagrant crane
on arthur people do shackle start because u really need all the dmg u can get for tart for the breakpoints
because the damage is not good enough without it
and its so slow
like its also the cast and special
vagrant crane
eventually
eager flint
I think on 40 heat I started zeus keepsake with arthur to get zeus cast for AoE
otherwise rooms are too painful
Either that or I started athena to get dash to deal with witches
waxen dragon
I mean typically you do pick up an attack boon
Yeah it was weird, I wasn't getting any attack boons coming up. Maybe I was saving and hoping for Artemis to show up
eager flint
oh btw @waxen dragon idk if you know but chaos curses can't kill you. they will always leave you with 1 hp
waxen dragon
oh btw <@396666053876383756> idk if you know but chaos curses can't kill you. th...
I did not know that though I am not skilled enough to not die on 1 hp
tawny musk
eventually
like maybe before elysium once you get a really good boon for the sword
or after elysium
vagrant crane
the real solution is to not play arthur so u dont have to worry about these issues
tawny musk
bc most boons grant effects but also only like 80%+ at most times
vagrant crane
but i think id probably force arty into aspho
tawny musk
the real solution is to not play arthur so u dont have to worry about these issu...
why its fun
vagrant crane
it deals no damage and everything is slow
vagrant crane
wat
vagrant crane
because i want to get decent times
tawny musk
nah just go 30-40 heat
eager flint
high heat is more fun than speedrunning. I don't like fishing for skips
vagrant crane
i dont have fun dealing with chambers that can go over like 20 seconds each
all the time
tawny musk
i dont have fun dealing with chambers that can go over like 20 seconds each
yeah i mean sometimes i do a build based off of herme's trinket but its only fun like once every 15 runs
plain river
yeah its harder
Yeah but it’s not the fun kind of harder like heat
tawny musk
Yeah but it’s not the fun kind of harder like heat
thats what im saying
vagrant crane
i mean plume is not going to change anything about the run 99.9% of the time
tawny musk
heat is more fun that speed
vagrant crane
heat is just hoping ap2 doesnt kill you
plain river
Arthur just makes u slow
tawny musk
i mean plume is not going to change anything about the run 99.9% of the time
yeah but i like seeing the 25% bonus or smth during the run
tawny musk
Arthur just makes u slow
more fun
vagrant crane
its still super rng
tawny musk
No it makes the gameplay painful
bro
plain river
While
Making the game harder
Doesn’t make the game a slogfest
But Arthur does
Y’get me?
vagrant crane
i simply do not want to play garbo aspect
waxen dragon
Will try Hestia and for merciful end? Is that the Artemis and Aphrodite duo?
proper furnace
Will try Hestia and for merciful end? Is that the Artemis and Aphrodite duo?
That's heart rend
Meeciful end is ares-athena
vital night
I don’t mind heat making runs take longer but with td3 there’s only so long it can take
And Arthur just feels sluggish independent of heat
Like there’s “oh I died because I misjudged a dodge” hard and there’s “I’m literally stuck in animations for half of my gameplay” hard
And aegis is really fun idk
2/4 playable aspects is pretty good
Above average for the game
vital night
more fun
How is slow more fun
Like independent of anything else
Arthur isn’t even that great at heat because td3
waxen dragon
That's heart rend
Ah thanks
waxen dragon
For Hestia is there a way to dash strike through an enemy and shoot them in the back? It seems like it just fires in the direction of the dash. Maybe I'm thinking about the bows and shields with the charge attack
vital night
For Hestia is there a way to dash strike through an enemy and shoot them in the ...
You really just want fiery presence on hestia
Don’t worry about backstabs
waxen dragon
You really just want fiery presence on hestia
Ah damn I didn't know that. I mostly run the other one.
Is Hades call any good? I don't yet know how to use it effectively
plain river
More 1-hita knockouts the better
plain river
Is Hades call any good? I don't yet know how to use it effectively
On select aspects/builds
Mainly beo and hera
Cast dmg +% is hard to come by
waxen dragon
Mainly beo and hera
Oh I didn't know. I think with Hera I was doing quite a bit if I load up lots of cast
waxen dragon
Hades call adds more damage
Is it more useful than others?
I almost never use it, typically I choose god boons or butterfly, acorn, pom blossom, lambent plume, or the hourglass on the last region
plain river
So
waxen dragon
Or choose chaos one if I buy the chaos thing from the well
plain river
Forcing gods in the first 2 biomes 👍
Then for Ely you either want Util (hourglass or purse), defense (acorn) or damage (hades call if you don’t already have it)
For styx you either take acorn or Hades call
waxen dragon
Then for Ely you either want Util (hourglass or purse), defense (acorn) or damag...
Why hourglass or purse in Ely? I think sometimes I pick another god boon.
plain river
hourglass lets you bring buffs from Ely wells and the post boss level
To Hades
Purse lets you buy more boons
waxen dragon
I think I usually pick acorn for Hades
plain river
Usually by Elysium you have 4 gods in your pool and the 2 other ones in your pool that you didn’t force
waxen dragon
Purse lets you buy more boons
Wait it does? I thought it just increased the duration of those well things
plain river
Aren’t necessary to be
plain river
Wait it does? I thought it just increased the duration of those well things
I
Mixed up my names
If you look I just wrote hourglass twice
waxen dragon
Oh ok. I think I have to learn Hades call. I noticed when I've used it, it doesn't charge up as much so it doesn't feel like I can use it often
plain river
A 3rd god keepsake in ely is either forcing in a 5th god, or giving you a boon from one of the 2 gods you didn’t choose to force in
vital night
Ah damn I didn't know that. I mostly run the other one.
Honestly fiery is the way to go for basically everything
plain river
A 3rd god keepsake in ely is either forcing in a 5th god, or giving you a boon f...
So either way like, it’s not good value
waxen dragon
So either way like, it’s not good value
Ah thanks. I'll keep that in mind
plain river
plume and butterfly can’t get the stacks needed to make them worth it in Ely and Styx
Running them earlier throws all God control
Blossom is unfocused and you’ll get maybe 2-3 levels on random boons
waxen dragon
Oh ok. I'll definitely try the other approach of Hades call or utility in Ely
plain river
Oh ok. I'll definitely try the other approach of Hades call or utility in Ely
Hades call really excels on Beowulf & Hera because with the focus on casts
It’s much harder to get extra cast +%
waxen dragon
Hades call really excels on Beowulf & Hera because with the focus on casts
Ah ok. I'll keep that in mind.
plain river
Oh ok. I think I have to learn Hades call. I noticed when I've used it, it doesn...
it charges the same rate as any other call but it only small calls at 50%
waxen dragon
it charges the same rate as any other call but it only small calls at 50%
Oh ok.
waxen dragon
Will just stick with zeus or dionysus for dps
Oh darn I picked Artemis for Hestia run
plain river
Oh darn I picked Artemis for Hestia run
Artemis is kind of sad because her minor calls are almost worthless aside from the iframes
But a major call takes so long to charge
where zeus and dionysus both pop minor calls for high, consistent dps
That also means they combo really well with the aphro/zeus duo
zeus scales really well with more zeus boons & dionysus scales really well with poms
waxen dragon
where zeus and dionysus both pop minor calls for high, consistent dps
Oh I didn't know that. I try to wait for the major call to charge
waxen dragon
That also means they combo really well with the aphro/zeus duo
I got that once but didn't understand how to use effectively
proper furnace
I got that once but didn't understand how to use effectively
spam call as soon as it's up or use them for iframes basically
waxen dragon
spam call as soon as it's up or use them for iframes basically
I think because I forget I have the duo, I see the bar only a quarter full and hold off in the hopes it gets to full 😅
proper furnace
you'll get used to spamming lesser calls the more you do it
especially during normal encounters where you will basically never get a full call
waxen dragon
you'll get used to spamming lesser calls the more you do it
Yeah I'll do that
waxen dragon
I tried on Hades but he went invulnerable so I missed the window to hit
vagrant crane
start zeus and get standard build
u want jolted and tdash and a % special
ideally clockets and rd
uneven sand
zeus attack
tidal dash and static discharge iirc
what else
clockets and rd obviously
proper furnace
breaking wave is nice for styx if you don't get clockets
shoals is nice in general
proper furnace
poms on discharge/dash
uneven sand
copy
waxen dragon
Clockets?
hot belfry
cluster bomb + rocket bomb
waxen dragon
clockets and rd obviously
Rd?
plain river
Bonus movespeed*
stark mortar
Build for Deméter Aspect?
eager flint
ME
zapfist
or the most fun
big % on special, zeus/dio on attack, lets go
I like artemis on special
Get a chaos boon or two
explosive upper and/or charged
dark oracle
How does dire misfortune actual work ?
proper furnace
How does dire misfortune actual work ?
While doom is on the enemy but still hasn't dropped, inflicting doom again will add more dmg to it until it drops
So with idk, chiron
First arrow inflicts doom then each of the other arrows add dmg to it
polar python
But each new arrow doesn't extend the time until it drops (iirc).
proper furnace
Yeah you still aren't stacking the actual doom so no timer refresh
Impending doom pairs nicely with it
And ME makes it useless
waxen dragon
I don't get how Merciful end works. If I attack with Ares, it hits like doom, if I special with Athena, it does nothing. If I dash strike with Ares attack and Athena dash, something happens. I though just dashing through enemy or special would trigger doom but it doesn't?
lucid oar
It triggers doom but only if the enemy already has doom
So with merciful end you can trigger doom every dash strike assuming you have curse of agony and divine dash
Instead of every 1.1 seconds (1.6s with impending doom)
waxen dragon
Oh ok, so it just makes doom apply sooner.
I also got dire misfortune and the delayed but bigger doom
chilly dragon
whats a good build for aspect of gilgamesh
chilly dragon
is gilgamesh bad?
vagrant crane
its the worst aspect in the game
vagrant crane
what 2 buttons
vagrant crane
ok
chilly dragon
ill send in dms
vagrant crane
ok
waxen dragon
So with merciful end you can trigger doom every dash strike assuming you have cu...
So this really only work with melee builds? Does it work with ranged attack builds?
chilly dragon
it is?
vagrant crane
yeah
chilly dragon
it does so much dmg tho
eager flint
So this really only work with melee builds? Does it work with ranged attack buil...
if you play them as melee
chilly dragon
whats a good build then
vagrant crane
eager flint
whats a good build then
Merciful End or tidal dash
vagrant crane
this is a good gilga build
you'll notice it's still a lot slower than most other aspects
takes very long to phase
vagrant crane
theres not a single generally applicable build
eager flint
jazz it'd be cool for you to stop taking a speedrunning viewpoint when giving advice to people who don't know the meta
chilly dragon
i want to evaporate healthbars
vagrant crane
the build was divine strike thunder dash gilga
i think that is pretty garbage under any conceivable metric
eager flint
beowulf mirage shot is the strongest build
eager flint
i think that is pretty garbage under any conceivable metric
oh yeah, agree, sorry if I wasn't clear I meant it more for the "it's a lot slower, takes long to phase" remark about the gilga speedrun
eager flint
ofc it is, but it's irrelevant
vagrant crane
compared to almost any other spect a similar level of build would be faster
chilly dragon
i usualy use a dionysus chiron build
eager flint
I'm sure you can find time to rant about how bad gilga is (it's horrible) without needing to say it every other message
eager flint
i usualy use a dionysus chiron build
chiron sucks because it has no AoE
beowulf is best
chilly dragon
ok
eager flint
hera second
chilly dragon
alr
eager flint
then either eris or hestia, then achilles ? I'm not sure where to put rama
eager flint
but yeah beowulf has an absolutely stupid damage output
eager flint
and is easier to get going than Merciful End
vagrant crane
it scales well because it does not get destroyed nearly as badly by ap2 cf2 etc as other weps
but for anyheat rama damage is just not there
eager flint
fair fair
btw
@chilly dragon https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
when in doubt, consult that site
chilly dragon
aigtht thx
celest dew
So
I was going to go finish the prophecy where you have to escape with all the infernal arms
Bc I haven't done it with stygius
And when I did try it
I immediately picked world chopper or whatever the deadalus hammer thing is called
And ruined the whole run
🙏
vital night
Real
Just play modded and forget there are hammer other than double edge and breaching slash
chilly dragon
im on switch so i can't mod 😦
waxen dragon
Wow just cleared the game with nemesis and merciful end, I thought I messed up and started with the purse keepsake so I had Zeus on attack.
waxen dragon
Stubborn defiance or death defiance? I failed a run when I died to the minotaur and the other guy dying twice on stubborn defiance 😭
vagrant crane
looked fine to me
manic notch
looked fine to me
messed up the big meg 1.1, missed ME procs 1.2, got stunned by pots multiple times in phase 2
should've been at least like
3 or 4 seconds faster
if i hit the big meg i dont have to waste my proud bearing right away
and can use my call charges better
toxic gazelle
So, I’m new to this discord but not new to Hades. I’ve a few recent and incredibly fun builds that I’d like to share with the community. Not sure if they already exist, but I crafted them without prior knowledge and would just like to share them!
First is a Zag sword build that I got super lucky on the other day. Demeter’s boons, typical mirror setup (God’s Pride, Stygian Soul, bonus backstab, I went with Family Favorite). I was lucky enough to get extra attack damage from Chaos and the two hammers I wanted- Flurry Strike and Cursed Slash, as well as a HEROIC attack speed buff from Hermes. I got Demeter’s Attack and Dash, Arctic Blast, and Demeter’s Legendary, as well as any bonus health boons available. What this let me accomplish was a super-fast attacking sword build that stacked chill incredibly fast, healing +2 health per slash. The arctic blasts and Demeter Legendary was just overkill at the end. Super fun and I’d suggest it for anyone, but some luck was indeed involved.
I- wha
My message got deleted for language and I didn’t even curse
Man
toxic gazelle
Rest in peace second build
manic creek
oof
errant narwhal
im sorry to say that you did :(
toxic gazelle
Abridged version was a super OP phalanx cast build using Zeus and aphro’s duo boons with Athena. Went incredibly hard with Poseidon sword. Got cast damage and backstab damage bonuses from chaos as well as Shadow Slash (even tho idk if it helps). I used Abyssal Soul.
manic creek
it's cool
toxic gazelle
I got a problem if I’m cursing and not even noticing
plain river
Honestly at this point everything that can be played has been played
plain river
But.. still. Just in case anyone hadn’t tried these yet
cursed slash/flurry is considered a build, just a meme one
toxic gazelle
Honestly, I was holding my own against papa H pretty easily… ironically super satisfying
chilly dragon
good beowulf build?
proper furnace
good beowulf build?
Pos cast, arte atk, grab mirage shot
chilly dragon
tos?
proper furnace
Grab your usual cast boons from chaos/charon wells, hermes hyper sprint + rush delivery
chilly dragon
e
proper furnace
Also weird to use it if you get cshot
chilly dragon
it just did 1.7k dmg in 8 pulses
proper furnace
Mirage allows for faster burst dmg
chilly dragon
i see
proper furnace
Mirage is bugged on flares so the dmg reduction doesn't apply
So you double your dmg with it
proper furnace
Doesn't change anything
chilly dragon
ik
proper furnace
They ain't patching this game anymore
chilly dragon
ill purge drowning
waxen dragon
When dash striking with railgun, bows and shields and charging after the dash, does it still count as dash strike and buffed by any dash strike buffs?
Also dash striking with rail gun, so weird to aim. I often shoot in a totally opposite direction to the enemy, maybe only works with the seeking fire hammer
proper furnace
For rail only the bullet shot from the dash strike is buffed
Bow dash strike is different than normal standing strike so yeah, affected during charge
Shield bullrush nope
proper furnace
Also dash striking with rail gun, so weird to aim. I often shoot in a totally op...
Are you on keyboard? If yes turn off aim at cursor while playing rail
viral geode
Are you on keyboard? If yes turn off aim at cursor while playing rail
💀 but you can't even attack while retreating backwards
i tried turning it off, was highly unpleasant
proper furnace
The only complaint about kbm rail is the auto aim being annoying for pots
Also how often you dash away from an enemy and shoot at the same time
viral geode
Also how often you dash away from an enemy and shoot at the same time
thats what i was referring to but i've only done it with bow and spear though
proper furnace
If you want the iframes you can dodge sideways/through them
proper furnace
thats what i was referring to but i've only done it with bow and spear though
Oh aim at cursor off is only for rail
viral geode
as kbm player the hardest to aim is hera and rama special
proper furnace
Autoaim is just too good on it
proper furnace
as kbm player the hardest to aim is hera and rama special
why are you using it on hera
sudden mason
viral geode
its best with twin shot
chilly dragon
what other duo's should i get for a beowulf build besides mirage shot
celest dew
So is Beowulf good for anything?
vagrant crane
So is Beowulf good for anything?
yeah it's like the best aspect in the game or something
chilly dragon
alr
tight basin
It's slow as heck though
dash strike into the rush
puts down the shield a lot faster
vagrant crane
It's slow as heck though
its actually the fastest
celest dew
.
tight basin
and yeah it's also the fastest in the game lmao
celest dew
It's literally the slow version of the shield
tight basin
it's literally the fast version of the shield lmao
literally has a 4:30 modded time
and 5:04 unmodded time
vagrant crane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXwcigljfSQ slow aspect btw
tight basin
the next fastest shield is like what idk
vagrant crane
yeah casue nobody plays it
tight basin
i mean point still stands
none of the other shield aspects are remotely close to beo lmao
the closest aspect in general to beo is like hera
vital night
Speed wise yeah
potent tree
Beowulf is a bazooka
glacial sonnet
Whats a good atk for Achilles spear
I heard somebody reccomending zeus but i thought the chain lightning doesn't get boosted
glacial sonnet
Do u just hold m1 with flurry jab
tight basin
and scales well with jolted so it can get somewhat strong
tight basin
Do u just hold m1 with flurry jab
that and dash strikes yeah
standard combo with achilles is raging rush -> 2x dash strikes -> repeat
with flurry jab, it throws in an extra attack after a dash strike
so it'l get all charges out
if something is low enough you can just hold down m1
glacial sonnet
But zeus boons dont get the best benefit from the achi special does it
tight basin
no
glacial sonnet
I like to arte attack + serrated point
With raging rushes when i run out of boost
tight basin
but you still raging rush to get more base damage on the attacks even on lightning strike since it's just free damage
i mean ideally you'd always have the boost up
when you run out it's pretty easy to get the boost up again
glacial sonnet
I have potato aim and waste the boost so i try to maximize with going serrated instead i assume each hit is boosted but the dashstrike still only uses one boost charge
tight basin
i mean even if you do have potato aim you still just reapply the boost asap
eager flint
No
tight basin
yeah it blocks
vital night
Rip
Yeah dog hammer then ig
30% bonus damage per hit
But how about being able to get out twice the number of specials
tight basin
i mean that isn't the reason why chain skewer is bad lmao
it's bad because spear special sucks without exploding launcher
and yeah it blocks it so it makes it even worse but it's also just bad to begin with
waxen dragon
Are you on keyboard? If yes turn off aim at cursor while playing rail
I'm on switch
So I don't really get how merciful end triggers. If I have Ares attack and Athena special, if I hit with special, no doom happens. So how does one optimally use merciful end?
tight basin
when you have ME, if you hit an enemy with something that deflects then it'll drop the doom immediately
so ideally you'd have to get athena's dash too
so you can just dash strike everything
waxen dragon
so you can just dash strike everything
Oh ok yeah that's what I noticed.
Is Rama killing freeze a viable build?
eager flint
is it even a build ? 
waxen dragon
is it even a build ? <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
I'm not sure if it's worth the trouble compared to Dionysus
proper furnace
I've seen dem special rama but is mainly for high heat to counter FO a bit
Killing freeze is nice but it can't really carry a build by itself
Your only way for more dmg is global sources
waxen dragon
Killing freeze is nice but it can't really carry a build by itself
The Arctic chill thing also might do it?
proper furnace
Also can't be pommed
You shoot 4? Arrows per special
Need 3 volleys for 1 proc
If it's 3 arrows that's even worse
waxen dragon
How high can the Dionysus one go? The chill decay ticked for me like 30 every half second
proper furnace
As many times as you can pom it
Hangover special at common starts at 5 dmg so you have 25 per tick
And it just goes further with pom/global dmg/it's duos
Zeus special also starts at 30 common and spreads jolted well
Which pommed is like 100+ dmg each time the enemy attacks
waxen dragon
Which pommed is like 100+ dmg each time the enemy attacks
What about the Poseidon razor shoals?
proper furnace
Good boon but wouldn't use it on rama
waxen dragon
Good boon but wouldn't use it on rama
Ah ok. I have failed to clear the game on Zag aspect bow and the hidden spear aspect.
I will keep trying
plain river
How high can the Dionysus one go? The chill decay ticked for me like 30 every ha...
I’ve got up to 110 at least iirc
every 0.34s
With a non-call hangover build
call hangover hits 125 per tick easily
plain river
How high can the Dionysus one go? The chill decay ticked for me like 30 every ha...
Sorry for a second ping but I was lowballed you from memory
288 per tick
vital night
it's bad because spear special sucks without exploding launcher
No yeah so you have to recall it without e launcher, reducing the number of specials you’re able to get out /time
waxen dragon
Sorry for a second ping but I was lowballed you from memory
Ah thanks. I see if I can force 5 gods. Does Hermes and chaos count?
And attack buff from chaos count to hangover ticks?
I managed to clear a run with Eris with level 8 or 9 drunken strike, it was slower than others but seemed safer
hot belfry
And attack buff from chaos count to hangover ticks?
hangover, doom, and zeus lightning strikes are a set amount of damage, they’re not considered part of your attack damage
stark mortar
Build for guan yu pls
vital night
Build for guan yu pls
Aphro and charged skewer
stark mortar
Aphro boons?
vital night
Aphro on special
Artemis on attack
Or the other way around and build towards heart rend
You could also do merciful end
waxen dragon
You could also do merciful end
How to do this?
analog mauve
Check codex pre requisites are in there
vital night
ares/athena on attack/special and then athena on dash
waxen dragon
ares/athena on attack/special and then athena on dash
Athena on attack would mean you'd have to be super close to be quick enough to trigger doom from special
vital night
i mean
with guan yu, you should be canceling special with dash strike
i don't quite play enough spear to learn ME on it so i'm not sure how to utilize the dash
waxen dragon
I guess Ares on attack with divine dash would be the way though spear is so far away you wouldn't be dashing through?
plain river
Ah thanks. I see if I can force 5 gods. Does Hermes and chaos count?
Hermes counts
plain river
And attack buff from chaos count to hangover ticks?
No you can only buff hangover damage with it’s duos and untyped +%
waxen dragon
should be similar to sword
Found it weird to apply Ares attack and then try to special to trigger.
eager flint
that's because you don't
you spam dash-attack
eventually you use special while your dash is on cooldown, but that's secondary
tight basin
for guan yu it'd ideally be special -> 2x dash strikes -> repeat
plain river
I guess Ares on attack with divine dash would be the way though spear is so far ...
You would be dashing
waxen dragon
Oh I see.
storm schooner
with chiron, do you guys prefer the poseidon tempest flourish + knock away damage to boss build or the hangover build??
(Basically poseidon boons based build or dionysus + aphrodite based build)
eager flint
mostly dio
analog mauve
Pos
eager flint
there's a world where you can also go demeter special + arctic blast, but that's even more of a meme
dapper harness
dio is the most straightforward
plain river
with chiron, do you guys prefer the poseidon tempest flourish + knock away damag...
Hangover & honestly any other +% god then pos
Bwave / typhoon fury is a little questionable
They work great when you control the angle
waxen dragon
I tried zag bow and it was ok, it ended up being a hunting blades build. Wasn't sure what I was supposed to do on zag bow. Artemis attack and Aphrodite special for heart rend?
proper furnace
Can do aphro dash for easier weak application
Or aphro atk arte special and use your zag bow crit
waxen dragon
Or aphro atk arte special and use your zag bow crit
Yeah that's what I ended up with but didn't get heart rend
viral geode
I use arte attack, then dash can be arte, aphro or athena
Heart rend is a bit overrated tbh
proper furnace
Hammers a lot better
waxen dragon
I ended up with the triple shot hammer.
Exit wounds works with Zeus cast? I thought it didn't stick in the enemies
Poseidon aspect sword build? Go for lightning phalanx or Zeus cast?
celest dew
Shouldn't guan yu be good with ME?
vital night
Apparently it’s meta
celest dew
I mean curse of pain, and divine dash with greatest haste
vital night
I don’t really play spear
celest dew
And like quick spin
vital night
Hm
celest dew
I don’t really play spear
I'm a spear main 😔
vital night
Yeah
vital night
I think you lose too much time charging the spin
eager flint
I don't really see the point of doing this instead of dash strikes
eager flint
how
proper furnace
Gy enjoys ME cuz charged skewer means you also have dmg before the duo
After that is just dash strike party
celest dew
Plus spamming dash with divine dash
But this should be faster
And safer for that matter
Not to mention the health
Send spin forward
And keep dashing through them
Speed
proper furnace
If only the enemies didn't get away from the spin so easily
And I mean, you are free to try but neta goes dash strikes for a reason
Actually, does the screen wide deflect thing works for ME
You'd have to do doom special so not useful but funny
Remote doom activation
eager flint
I don't see in what world it would be faster
or even safer
given you already have athena dash, you don't need the iframes from dashing as much, you can spam dash strikes
analog mauve
🗿
celest dew
Anyway
Guan yu spin = fast dps
This lots of doom
Athena dash= doom trigger
Spam Athena dash on an enemy in the spin= lots of damage
Because of ME
The only bad thing is spin charge up
Which can be helped
analog mauve
why would you want to use spin
eager flint
how is spin faster even relevant
celest dew
Like I said
celest dew
how is spin faster even relevant <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
Because it applies doom really fats
analog mauve
the doom only procs when you dash, so you only need to apply doom when you dash
celest dew
So fast
eager flint
you'll only proc as fast as your dashes
analog mauve
🤯 dash strikes
proper furnace
Ppl don't use the spin for a reason
celest dew
That you can just Spam divine dash as much as you want to activate
proper furnace
Except high heat but I hate that so 
eager flint
applying doom really fast doesn't matter
eager flint
you just need to apply it before each dashes
proper furnace
It doesn't cuz dash cool down
proper furnace
The spin doesn't last forever
eager flint
my sibling in chaos you're currently on the strongest stuff dionysus ever made
proper furnace
Enemies will approach you
Need to do another spin
Or you could just dash strike x2
analog mauve
Except high heat but I hate that so <:dusa:522248771409543188>
😠
celest dew
The spin doesn't last forever
No it doesn't but your enemy should be dead after like two seconds
proper furnace
That'd happed with dash striking too
analog mauve
2 seconds is a lot
celest dew
Enemies will approach you
Dash away maybe?
celest dew
That'd happed with dash striking too
But it's faster
proper furnace
Or you could just dash strike x2
.
celest dew
proper furnace
to you too
eager flint
eager flint
why are you ?
proper furnace
And I mean, you are free to try but neta goes dash strikes for a reason
.
I don't have proof the spin will be faster and meanwhile people run gy like that and have vids
vagrant crane
whats this about
celest dew
I don't have proof the spin will be faster and meanwhile people run gy like that...
Not the charge up
vagrant crane
what is this
celest dew
I'm talking about how fast it hits
vagrant crane
doom spin gy?
proper furnace
whats this about
Gy ME with spin > dash strike ME
celest dew
Gy ME with spin > dash strike ME
Never said that
analog mauve
🤔
celest dew
But it still should be decent
analog mauve
well ofc its decent
vagrant crane
i love waiting 7 years in order to start proccing doom
proper furnace
But it still should be decent
You kept saying is faster how was I expected to not assume that
vagrant crane
what does the spin do for you
vagrant crane
how does the spin help you proc me
analog mauve
🤔
vagrant crane
i dont think it would really affect ur proc rate
vagrant crane
that sounds bad
crude oriole
no
celest dew
i dont think it would really affect ur proc rate
What's proc stand for?
analog mauve
proceed
vagrant crane
it does not stand for proceed
errant narwhal
Why would you lie to me like this 
crude oriole
maybe like, mix up inputs, but not make it completely random. that'd just be frustrating
celest dew
That's the point
eager flint
proc is an acronym I think
analog mauve
Why would you lie to me like this <:cryingseal:873582700190109706>
:troll
celest dew
Make dashing basically useless
vital night
What
eager flint
I don't remember what it means though
crude oriole
lying on the internet should be illegal smh
vital night
Yeah
eager flint
Something like "numbers of hits per minute" or something ? Damn I haven't read it in a long time
celest dew
Something like "numbers of hits per minute" or something ? Damn I haven't read i...
If that's the case
Then GY ME stomps ME dash strike
Yea yea
That reminds me
vital night
Applying doom multiple times to the same enemy when it hasn’t dropped isn’t going to do anything, and activation is going to depend only on how fast you can dash
analog mauve
"Proc" is an acronym for "programmed random occurrence". In gaming, it refers to an event that happens as a result of something else.
celest dew
Piercing shot makes Lucifer ignore shields
vital night
The main issue is that the spin is slow in charge up and travel speed
vagrant crane
there is no reliable etymology for the word proc
celest dew
"Proc" is an acronym for "programmed random occurrence". In gaming, it refers to...
Guan yu ME still stomps
With greatest haste though
vital night
You mean reflex?
celest dew
The main issue is that the spin is slow in charge up and travel speed
Low travel speed is good
vital night
No it’s not lol
crude oriole
"Proc" is an acronym for "programmed random occurrence". In gaming, it refers to...
an event happening as a result of something else isn't random though
proper furnace
Fo2 says hi
celest dew
You mean reflex?
Is that what it's called? The + dashes?
analog mauve
yes
analog mauve
an event happening as a result of something else isn't random though
thats what its called idk
celest dew
an event happening as a result of something else isn't random though
"in gaming"
crude oriole
gamers😤
celest dew
What about them?
analog mauve
yes
crude oriole
gamers, they use words in the wrong way... they lie on the internet... etc😤
analog mauve
stand proud youre a gamer
celest dew
Yea dude
celest dew
gamers, they use words in the wrong way... they lie on the internet... etc😤
S t e r i o t y p e s
vagrant crane
im not a gamer
celest dew
Sir
vagrant crane
in fact i have never played a video game in my life
celest dew
Do you play hades
vagrant crane
what is hades?
celest dew
The transistor role in question:
vagrant crane
like mechanics?
sorry im only in my first year of physics
i havent learned transistors yet
celest dew
Wrong class
analog mauve
lucky i didnt take architechurure
architexture
architeture
architect
architecture
celest dew
architectology
rocky arrow
What's your favorite build?
proper furnace
Trippy flare beo
vital night
Soup
vagrant crane
stew better #imo
vital night
Chili
eager flint
world splitter zagsword. Don't judge me.
analog mauve
judged
eager flint
judgement denied
celest dew
world splitter zagsword. Don't judge me.
Boy
Why do you even play Hades
World splitter zag sword
Is literally the worst thing that has ever happened to me in a run
eager flint
sorry to you but I'm built different
skill issue
git gud
wait I don't have any other dismissive comment on my mind, hold up a minute I need to go to reddit
celest dew
sorry to you but I'm built different
Dang right "built different"
celest dew
wait I don't have any other dismissive comment on my mind, hold up a minute I ne...
Touch grass or something?
Maybe uh, idk fatherless or something?
celest dew
The opposite.
eager flint
stop touching grass, stop showering
celest dew
Erm
eager flint
just master the art of world splitter zagsword
celest dew
...
eager flint
eventually you can have LoL on the side
celest dew
Seriously how do you play like that
I can't hit jack squat with world splitter
And it's really slow
eager flint
less slow with zagspect
celest dew
Yea
eager flint
and hitbox is biiig, you can stay out of reach quite a bit
celest dew
The Varatha in question:
proper furnace
world splitter zagsword. Don't judge me.
Cooking 🔥🔥 now get out of the kitchen, is burning
analog mauve
judgement denied
damn got me there
waxen dragon
Does divine dash protect you while dash striking or only dashing? I noticed the Athena attack seems to protect while dash striking
plain river
Does divine dash protect you while dash striking or only dashing? I noticed the ...
It should deflect everything during the windows it’s up
But
I’m not sure on how open that window is tbh
waxen dragon
It should deflect everything during the windows it’s up
I wasn't sure if I could just dash strike spam with divine dash safely.
vital night
I think that’s mostly true
Apparently you can’t deflect dad spins though
So it’s not invincibility per se, just a deflection window that deflects mostly everything
rocky arrow
How to darkness farm optimally?
errant narwhal
i can say what i did which is
- play on a heat level youve cleared before, so all the boss rewards are darkness
- get poseidon keepsake for oceans bounty (and sunken treasure)
- go in chaos gates to get the blessing that increases darkness
- use shady companion
unreal tree
what about fidi
analog mauve
why fidi
errant narwhal
what about her 
manic creek
Shady gives you darkness????
unreal tree
where is nyaa mewew when you need her
eager flint
How to darkness farm optimally?
First step is lobotomy. Second step is being absolutely sure you can no longer feel joy nor pain. Once that's done, you can follow AD's advice and you'll be done in no time
manic creek
Lmfao💀
analog mauve
i don t get it
proper furnace
dusa is the moral support
manic creek
🎉
errant narwhal
First step is lobotomy. Second step is being absolutely sure you can no longer f...
ur kinda onto something bc i was grinding for the ranks for dozens and dozens of hours
now, i need to grind for the mirror
manic creek
Do ranks do anything?
errant narwhal
nah theyre just cosmetic
errant narwhal
i didnt even want them before i was possessed to become the unseen one in order to TRULY 100% all that i could
manic creek
I'm also grinding for the mirror while doing em4
manic creek
i didnt even want them before i was possessed to become the unseen one in order ...
Collector's anxiety
errant narwhal
the completionists plight. but i love this game
eager flint
I feel like I'm gonna get a 64 heat Gilgamesh win before unseen one
manic creek
the completionists plight. but i love this game
Anything for Hades🫡
manic creek
I feel like I'm gonna get a 64 heat Gilgamesh win before unseen one
Same
analog mauve
i just did it passively
errant narwhal
looool
eager flint
Actually Arthur might be even worse for 64 heat ? But that's splitting hairs
eager flint
i just did it passively
So, can we see your max heat gilga clear ?
manic creek
I wanna see