h1-builds-and-combat

[untold iris]

double edge's double hit is effectively x2 multiplicative scaling to your other stuff

same with finding additional cast stones to a cast build

[hot belfry]

is that why having 2 stygian shards makes the saw traps do 20k damage to enemies

[glacial sonnet]

bad influence is global right?

71% on blue yay im ramaeris

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[proper furnace]

Also yeah

[plain river]

Yeah but crit itself is additive

(Base damage) * (additive +%) * (crit damage +%)

between like the 3 boons that increase crit damage anyways afaik

[viral geode]

Is damage reduction multiplicative to damage increase though??

Hl and beo

[plain river]

damage increase is additive

afaik

including for enemies

[viral geode]

So weak + sturdy + hl5 is 149%?

For example

[plain river]

Why is this? Does it not work like pomming or increasing any other +% based pact where it’s 1+(0.2x)

[plain river]

Sturdy & weak are both 30% right

[viral geode]

I think so

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1208562776226795570/IMG_6830.png?ex=65e3bccb&is=65d147cb&hm=bf6045bfef1dd83c7279aa8da96b62faa75354d8391237acf0feedff9ff53ab8&

[viral geode]

You said damage increase was additive though

[plain river]

yeah

[viral geode]

I assume that means adding from base?

[plain river]

it is. With other damage increases

damage reduction multiplies damage taken (so after the additive increases to damage)

[viral geode]

OK so hl5 and beo is 2.1 more

Not 2.2

[plain river]

should be

[vagrant crane]

1.2*1.2

[plain river]

yyy

SSG

Why

that’s such a wierd way to code it

[rocky arrow]

Help doing a beo flood flare build and got a few poms, then ran into aphro and was offered a swap for pflare. Should I take it? Flood flare is 145 dmg and pflare is 210. I was thinking I should but then I would need to pray to get pos later so I can get the boons for mirage shot.

[plain river]

I mean part of flood flare is it’s aoe iirc

@ pflare will disrupt your odds

[proper furnace]

if you swap you'd get tiny flare'd too iirc

[plain river]

Oh yeah tiny flare is a thing

The bugowulf is strong

[rocky arrow]

Thx guys

Forgot tiny flare lmao

[rocky arrow]

Good zag bow?

[glacial sonnet]

achilles hunting blades should use the 3cast soul right?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[dapper harness]

wdym?

[proper furnace]

Build ig

[viral geode]

run artemis attack and get hunter's mark

dash can be artermis, aphro (for heart rend) or athena (for deadly reversal, with her special)

[rocky arrow]

Yeah a build lol

[rocky arrow]

Ok

[viral geode]

best hammer is twin shot but all attack hammers except sniper are good

[rocky arrow]

I was debating on arty vs aphro attack lol

[dapper harness]

yeah you could also go for aphro attk

[viral geode]

aphro's not bad but i much prefer arty

[dapper harness]

try both and see what you like

[viral geode]

you kinda need epic or maybe rare aphro atk though

common arty is fine

[dapper harness]

yea which is not uncommon with god's pride

[viral geode]

common is still common

[viral geode]

lightning rod is also pretty goodd

[glacial sonnet]

is it better to get +1 cast or increase cast damage with chaos boon? (73% damage) for hunting blades

[viral geode]

epic +% is normally best

wait no are you achilles

i'd take +1 if so

[pine torrent]

I would say +1 cast

[tight basin]

Nah

Cast % is more important

Or better at least not important

[viral geode]

achilles already has +150% though

[tight basin]

The % increase is better than another cast

[viral geode]

it's only 29% multiplicative

[tight basin]

Like overall percentage wise

Isn't it additive

[viral geode]

i mean yes it's additive to the 150%

so 73% is actually only 29% more

whereas another cast gives you 33% more and greater utility

[pine torrent]

I would think more casts helps clear rooms quicker

[tight basin]

c2 chaos you can pick attack, decent dmg, dont worry about the special minus hp, considering the rarity reroll is also ok; after reroll you should take the dash strike damage, plus one stone is rarely useful because achilles use stone for burst damage & addational damage, not much time to cast all 4

This was from an Achilles vod review of mine

The 4th stone isn't that great on Achilles lol

[viral geode]

whyy? esp for dad which is slow

[tight basin]

The extra casting time is slow

[proper furnace]

3 casts are already great

Less casting per room is nice

[tight basin]

It's not like Hera or beo where you can load it

The cast is gonna be the majority of your damage in the second half but you don't wanna be hitting cast 4 times

[viral geode]

fair enough

i feel that's mainly applicable for a very high level of speedrunning though

[plain river]

or heat gameplay

time casting is time for enemies to attack you

[tight basin]

If your only goal is to beat dad or something and not playing the game and letting the casts do the work then +1 is fine

[tight basin]

I wouldn't say high level just standard level of speedrunning

[plain river]

especially with fo2 and the durability pacts

[tight basin]

I am not that good at Achilles so I wouldn't say high level

I'm like above average lol

[viral geode]

i'll take your word since i am v bad at speedrunning

i mainly try heat

[tight basin]

Tbf what's good for speedrunning generally correlates for what's good for heat

[plain river]

Spending 33% more time casting your 4th stone & get massacred by witches

or archers

Or heroes

[glacial sonnet]

no hunting blade
what do i see in styx
2 poseidon boons on sale and one poseidon chamber

last ares chamber better gimme

nope

at least i have mirage shot for whatever thats worth

30% of like what 30 dmg

[vital night]

From what I’ve seen, Achilles plays pretty reckless in speedruns, which doesn’t carry over great to high heat

Running into enemies with tdash works when they die in 2 hits, but DC, BP, JS, CP makes that a little rough

[tight basin]

I mean mechanically yeah but build wise it'd be pretty similar

Tdash is still good even against those pacts

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1199223328272044032/image.png?ex=65dd7241&is=65cafd41&hm=2518dbb85cf33c34170970a44ce65de93480716903839fd4cde0b8a7c245f469&

I will say tdash start wasn't great tho

[vital night]

I failed miserably when I tried achilles at 40, so I think I'd need practice since tdash isn't super defensive

[tight basin]

But after tart tdash was good

[vital night]

I see

[tight basin]

At least iirc I'd have to watch it back

I just know starting tdash against dc2 felt miserable at a certain point

[vital night]

I'm sure

[viral geode]

goodbye ddash...

https://imgur.com/a/HE7ssCB

[analog mauve]

damn 50 zagbow

[tight basin]

okay dc2 wasnt the miserable part it was not having flurry jab in tart lmao

[pine torrent]

Ah i was thinking of beo

[vital night]

makes sense

[glacial sonnet]

besides hestia what are some builds/aspects that dont rely too much on god keepsake start?

[lucid oar]

Poseidon sword maybe

[glacial sonnet]

yeah i just wna like max out some keepsakes

[analog mauve]

gilgamesh

[eager flint]

rama

[vital night]

Start with a god keepsake and then take the one you want to max into asphodel

Tartarus isn’t that great for making compared to Styx, where every room counts

So just clear as fast as you can (eris Zeus start) and clear all 5 tunnels

[untold iris]

zeus shield is one of the most flexible aspects

can make use of pretty much any boon and still clear

[glacial sonnet]

whats the best hammer aspect for rail attack for eris

i got offered no special hammer, just explosive or piercing fire or spread fire

so ig with ability cooldown zeus attack with explosive fire wont cause multiple lightning bolts from targets hit by aoe?

[untold iris]

spread fire is negative

the other two are neutral

the best attack hammer is delta chamber

after that most attack hammer are negligible in terms of benefit

with spread fire being negative if you dont have a big %attack

[plain river]

Achilles is like -> take arte/ zeus strike if you see them, ares / athena cast if you see them, and tidal dash if you seem the for the start of the run

really open ended

you either go hunting blades or lightning phalanx

Nem and Zag can both just be “take whichever +% you see first” and then roll with what works well from there

[plain river]

Honestly if you have a big +% to attack on eris before you get spreadfire

Something is very very wrong

[untold iris]

i had it happen once when i was playing non-forcing runs
see hammer with no attack boon yet and i already have aphro in the god pool on special

so i decided to take spread fire and pick up aphro attack next

but if im playing normally ill just force zeus attack as my first boon

[plain river]

I think even in that circumstance

My other options would have to be horrid

[untold iris]

it was mostly just to try it out

it honestly wasnt too bad

[plain river]

sf works well on zag bc you don’t have to reload every 3s

[untold iris]

but its super unreliable since you cant force the hammer

[plain river]

But anything else is way painful for the same reason

[glacial sonnet]

Is zagrail only for spread fire (or other way around)

[valid dagger]

The other way around makes more sense. You can still play Zag rail as bad Eris with ZAP and it's completely fine, maybe even better than Spread Fire in some cases, definitely more consistent.

[plain river]

Ofher way around

[rocky arrow]

Should I switch deadly strike to heartbreak strike for Arthur build? No pp but I have hunters mark.

Arty does 54% increase btw

No chaos

The aphro strike does 155%; I also have shadow slash and shadow presence so big backstabs lol

[plain river]

I would take aphro strike but honestly with that +% arte still seems noce

[wooden jungle]

hoarding slash is so dumb but I kinda love it after trying it

[tight basin]

hoarding slash gives like very little additive unless you have 3k gold lmao

[plain river]

Even then

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1064415213476126750/IMG_2773.jpg?ex=65d2e66a&is=65c0716a&hm=439621ea761fdc70196b7e95e9836b2189979b9c7d9ed56514355b198c2683cc&=&format=webp&width=827&height=477

This was one of the most painful runs I’ve ever done

[tight basin]

not surprising lmao

[grand zenith]

Your mistake was Fersuasion, Fauth maximises chance to maximise Econ.

Still, good job, you were strong

[wooden jungle]

currently doing td3 and got through Elysium with 2 seconds left

not sure this is the pact for me lol

[grand zenith]

Yeah… It’s a fun pact but I like to take my time lol.

[wooden jungle]

well I just found out the hard way that it doesn't guarantee a fast satyr sack

didn't get it until the fifth tunnel and I have 30 seconds left

[grand zenith]

30 second Hades, ez.

[vagrant crane]

not that bad

[wooden jungle]

omg almost got the win

[grand zenith]

Are ya currently in a run Jazz?

[grand zenith]

Did ya turn on God Mode?

[wooden jungle]

no

[grand zenith]

Awww, could’ve gotten it.

Oh well, still an accomplishment.

[wooden jungle]

yeah that would've been smart lol

I was 1 or 2 hits away

[grand zenith]

It happens to me too lol, I wanna flex but I get too greedy and miss the chance to lock in a win,

[wooden jungle]

yeah I only seem to lose a defiance at the end of a room

try to be careful until the very end when it counts lol

[plain river]

Tbh I don’t think it would’ve made the run less painful

[plain river]

& with 3/4 of my Challenge of the Month submissions kicking around 5000 obols

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1209493836225843272/IMG_2793.jpg?ex=65e71fe9&is=65d4aae9&hm=1d31b2a5e79a51d8ca2892b66fa039c201454885167bf70b267624fb8ec419fe&

other 2 are on the spreadsheet but I can’t find it

I don’t really think it’s too necessry to switch over the fated authority

[grand zenith]

Fair.

[glacial sonnet]

demeter fist do i give the special a % boon?

[unreal tree]

yes

artemis special+ explosive upper/ kinetic launcher hammer is very very fun

[glacial sonnet]

whats a good god setup for dem fists

i already have aphro on special

zeus attack

only 2 gods so far

i also got kinetic launcher lol

[unreal tree]

try to get a nice dash like athena or ares

the usual speedrunning build is ares on attack and athena on special+dash, and trying to get the merciful end duo

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide theres a bunch of stuff here

[glacial sonnet]

do i pick life affirmation or sweet nectar when im already at elysium

[viral geode]

Sweet nectar then sell probably

[unreal tree]

you cant sell sweet nectar

or death defiances, nourished soul

etc

[viral geode]

sorry my bad

[proper furnace]

Wait nectar can't be sold?

Why

[unreal tree]

because its an item drop

like sunken treasure

or nourished soul

[proper furnace]

Wrong boon

Sweet is +1 on pom levels

Premium vintage gives nectar

[unreal tree]

oh right

[viral geode]

Yeah I swear I've seen it on purging pool

[unreal tree]

mbad

[eager flint]

Angel must be a noob

[quasi seal]

So is fists special against redacted just not viable on FO2?

The window is just way too narrow on the sweeps

I'm trying to grind the resourse director and it sucks because the Talos yoyo is like my only option whenever I have Thirst on Malphon

[eager flint]

I'm not sure I understand

Standing special on fist is very slow

Dashing special is much better

[tight basin]

Also why is Talos yoyo the only option

[eager flint]

But I'm not sure what you mean exactly

[tight basin]

Duppers are totally doable on fo2 dad fight tho

[eager flint]

Also that yes, and why is special that important for it against dad

[untold iris]

you can also standing special, hades definitely gives you enough time

its slow but he doesnt constantly attack so the window is there

[eager flint]

Yeah also that

[quasi seal]

Poseidon, I need him in the pool for Ocean's Bounty so I need to fill all my slots asap

Talos is the only one where you'd only need to avoid two core boons and not three

[untold iris]

i dont see why poseidon special is bad on fists if you're not optimizing for the limits of the game

its not ideal but it doesnt seem that terrible either

dash is ideal, cast is fine

just avoid attack

if you really want to force poseidon in tartarus for a farming run can probably just start tidal dash

[plain river]

I mean

typically & especially on fists

knocking enemies out of your range

Means you have to waste time catching up to them for more dps

[quasi seal]

Yeah dash isn't gonna work unless you spec into it with Gilg

[tight basin]

i mean the problem is that yoyo talos has no boss dps

[plain river]

gilg has the issue of it being gilg

[tight basin]

and also slow so dad fight gets sus

[plain river]

yoyo talos you kind of need to source boss dps from cast or smthing

you lack dps with just special

[quasi seal]

Yeah my issue was that combined with the ridiculous endlag

you can kinda float sideways for a split second but you wont get the full dash with iframes until the animation finishes

[untold iris]

are you not going to also be doing attacks on the boss?

idk if you necessarily need to only be hitting the boss with special or whatever just because you have poseidon in your pool and happened to pick poseidon special

[floral wadi]

the dream adamant rail run: artemis, triple shot special, 5 shot spread special, and rocket special

[south sonnet]

cluster, triple, and hazard all lock each other

additionally, hazard locks rocket

[floral wadi]

aw

I did get a run where I shot 5 rockets with aphrodite and it was fun nuking the labyrinth

[plain river]

Real dream run is just

Big +% special & cluster + rockets

rocket doesn’t actually lose the damage from cluster bomb

So it’s straight up a 400 base damage shotgun

[floral wadi]

that explains some of the absurdity

now if only Hermes boon

I want to do nodded hades now to see the absurdity

but no computer

[glacial sonnet]

zeus cast chains are still boosted by achilles spear right?

other good cast for achilles spear? hunting blades, crystal beam and what else

[vagrant crane]

phalanx

[glacial sonnet]

where do u slot zeus on spear
special?

[vagrant crane]

doesnt need to be there

special can be ok

attack is the main one

for achilles

[glacial sonnet]

zeus attack?

[vagrant crane]

yeah

[glacial sonnet]

arent % good for achilles spear?

getting serrated point on it sounds like good damage source while out of casts

[vital night]

Achilles is fast enough that Zeus is good too

With jolted

And tdash

More of a soup build at that point

Serrated is fun yeah

But flurry is ideal first hammer

[glacial sonnet]

oh is that why zeus attack good

[vital night]

Zeus is good on any fast stuff

[glacial sonnet]

i wna try hades spear too

[vital night]

Eh

[glacial sonnet]

it cant be bad with 150% damage increase

[vital night]

It kinda sucks compared to Achilles

The spin is very vulnerable and takes too long to charge

Serrated point or e launcher are fun though

[glacial sonnet]

do i have to luck out on quick spin

[vital night]

Well

The meta is ME

so you try to get e launcher and ignore the spin

But quick spin is nice

With timing you can get the spins off while enemies are spawning

[glacial sonnet]

merciful end spear

[dapper harness]

kinda the meta for spear unless achilles

ME is meta for all bad/semi-bad aspects lol

[glacial sonnet]

truly

ok but so zeus diverting into hunting blades on achi spear still isnt scuffed right

omg
hammer start i get offered 2 spin or extended jab

its not even quick spin smh

[dapper harness]

hunting blades is always good

[glacial sonnet]

is extending jab good?

or i just take flaring/big spin

[dapper harness]

it's alr

is this on achilles?

[glacial sonnet]

ya

[dapper harness]

take the jab

u just ignore the spin on achilles

if u see flurry jab take it

[glacial sonnet]

erebus let me get athena before keepsake zeus lol

i get her cast

hopefuly

ONION

[vital night]

Rip

The Erebus experience

It would make sense if it gave more rewards than a normal room

[eager flint]

it does

if you manage to not get hit

[glacial sonnet]

ok ok i got chaos
do i go for better dash strike, special, or boon rarity

[eager flint]

it's "boosted" rewards, like miniboss in styx

[dapper harness]

dash-strike

what's the curse

[eager flint]

heart gives +50hp, poms give +2 lvl, boons have better odds

[glacial sonnet]

maimed lunge

boon rarity is -hp

do i take aphro attack

[dapper harness]

what build r u going for

[glacial sonnet]

lightning phalanx probably

got zeus on special already

hoping to catch athena again

[dapper harness]

i'd prolly take it

and take athena keepsake into aspho for cast

[glacial sonnet]

do i double down and wait for zeus attack instead? for the jolts

i can get purple life affirmation bc i went for boon rarity rom chaos

[dapper harness]

i'd take aphro attk and use the next zeus boon to roll for lightning phalanx

[vital night]

Oh I see

Like better rarity?

[eager flint]

for boons, yes

[glacial sonnet]

athena, aphro, zeus
4th god ideas?

[vagrant crane]

is this still achillse

what biome into and do you have the duo yet

[glacial sonnet]

im at asphodel start

dont have lightning phalanx yet

i can use athena keepsake to increase duo chance?

[vagrant crane]

yes

[glacial sonnet]

ok got duo right away lol

tdash or maybe artemis for 4th god

forced into ares

is ares dash any good

[vagrant crane]

it can be ok

[glacial sonnet]

nvm only offered heroic attack, BR or urge to kill

[vagrant crane]

urge to krill moment

[glacial sonnet]

16% more cast damage!!!1

i dont feel like my attack and special do a lot so idk maybe gonna skip on 200% BR

[dapper harness]

you mostly use special for activating raging rush and teleporting across rooms

hey jazz what's comsow btw?

[vagrant crane]

community sum of worst

[dapper harness]

like the worst agreed time for a specific thing?

[vagrant crane]

its for the worst indiviudal splits for a sub6 run

but apparently i wasnt supposed to do that so idk

[dapper harness]

ic

[glacial sonnet]

flurry jab get

shame about the 84% chaos dash strike though

[untold iris]

flurry jab works on dash strike

its why its such a powerful hammer

with flurry, doing a dash strike does 2 hits instead of 1 (the second hit counts as a standing attack so it doesnt benefit from +dash strike damage, but it's still good)

[quasi seal]

I feel like the triple-dstrike hammer can still match that overall, especially since achilles counts all three strikes as a single attack

[tight basin]

On the other hand shorter dashes is still kinda pain

[quasi seal]

They let you line them up better, at least on m&k

[restive flower]

I have two titan bloods now. My first ones. Is it ok to just use it on upgrades for weapons I like or is there a theory on what it should be used for?

[untold iris]

titans blood is basically only for upgrading weapons

some weapons scale better with blood than others but you will eventually get enough to unlock everything if you keep playing so for now you can just use it on your favorites unless you really want to be optimal

note that there are 6 titans bloods before you beat the final boss, once you've completed a run you will be able to get a way to earn more blood

[plain river]

I mean theres like

Aspects that just work well off the bat

And aspects that scale up really well with more levels

And aspects that are both and aspects that do neither

[untold iris]

If you just want a functional aspect for each weapon with only a little blood, I would personally recommend unlocking the first levels for: Nemesis, Achilles, Zeus, Hera, Eris. This costs a total of 7 blood and gives you a solid aspect for each weapon as a baseline. No fist recommendation because you can just use the Zagreus fists and have roughly the same experience.

7 is a bit more than the 6 starting blood though so you may have to drop one of those aspects

I think that zag shield and zag bow are fairly respectable weapons with a little blood invested in them so if you want you can drop Zeus or Hera

[plain river]

or you can just have them all, pget more blood

[untold iris]

i mean i mentioned earlier that you will eventually get everything...

[glacial sonnet]

is perfect shot good on rama?

[vagrant crane]

yes

best second hammer

[quasi seal]

From what I remember the be-all end-all of Rama hammers is point-blank triple shot

[tight basin]

twin is generally considered better than triple

you dont have to be as close to get maximum value out of it

for first hammers it's like twin>triple
and then for second it's perfect>point blank>chain

triple point blank is a lot of damage if you can actually get it off tho

just not as reliable as twin + perfect/point blank

[glacial sonnet]

doesnt chain shot give possibility of triggering the main attack + shared suffering 3 times

[tight basin]

normal shots can do that too if you line them up

but chain would make that more consistent

chain just does nothing in boss fights except heroes if they're close enough

it's still a good hammer for room clearing but you'd have less boss damage

[quasi seal]

I think I'd actually prefer the normal behavior of having the shot continue through enemies, you'll be dashing around a lot anyway so you might as well corral them together for a collat

Also the chain targeting is really unreliable

[tight basin]

yeah but it certainly beats out other hammers lmao

for low heat or casual clears i dont really like chain since i can take the time and safety of lining up, but for heat i like chain since it's less risky for good enough value

[plain river]

Main issue with chain is just

It feels so wrong

To not have my shot just pierce like normal

For miniscule damage when other bow hammers are like “double base damage” & +100-300% additive

[quasi seal]

Yeah sometimes it'll just miss or literally target the air on the opposite end of the enemy you're trying to chain it to lmao

[plain river]

Regular bow line is reliable

stronrg

Perfect

[analog mauve]

chain is awesome in elysium,

[tight basin]

yeah i personally love chain

[quasi seal]

How good is sniper on Rama then? Is it actually worse than point-blank or is it just because it doesn't synergize with the others?

[tight basin]

both

the effective range of sniper is hella far

so it's not like practical to hit majority of the time

and also you can't get twin shot with it

you might be able to get triple shot with it but then it kinda defeats the point of sniper shot

[south sonnet]

chain carried one of my zagbow runs

[ivory turtle]

okay

question

are beowulf special builds fast?

or good?

cuz I just got offered charged shot and charged flight for my first hammer lol

Also I just read that flood flare doesn't trigger Sea Storm on hit?? Is that true?

[plain river]

No

[ivory turtle]

K cool I went the normal way lol

[plain river]

I mean they’re fine enough to have warranted charged throw getting nerfed back in the day

But no where near as good as your average cshot cast based

[hot belfry]

i got charged flight for the first time ever on beowulf and i was very whelmed

[plain river]

Never heard of this one and it doesn’t really make sense to me

Also never seen it on the Hades bug doc

May be true but I’ve never heard of it

[ivory turtle]

Kk

I was just looking at that one blog site that has a bunch of build ideas and it said that and it made zero sense to me lol

[plain river]

I mean it’s always nice to experiment for yourself

[ivory turtle]

True dat

K another question: how do you maximize RD damage on Beo? Dash immediately after the rush?

[vital night]

dash strike into the bullrush

its faster so you should be doing that regardless

but the RD carries over if you dstrike

[analog mauve]

yea

[vital night]

after?

mb then, I thought the movement speed carried over

[vagrant crane]

into and after

[tight basin]

Yeah sea storm doesn't proc off of flood flare

[tight basin]

Pretty sure it's on there but I haven't looked in a while

[glacial sonnet]

whats a good chaos boon for fists? attack? special (for dem)? dashstrike?

[proper furnace]

If you want to build around the special, take dash strike and special dmg

Otherwise just take whatever curse is less annoying or the more general ones like favor/soul/whatever the coin one is called

[glacial sonnet]

hmm athena aid could be good on fists right
its built for ungabunga

[proper furnace]

Sure.

I think I did athena call for my fists 32?

Or zeus

[glacial sonnet]

also arte special for dem fists is
crit chances apply for each hit on the giga cutter right

basically guaranteed crit per hit since special crit chance is like 20

also i found hunting blades on fist

[glacial sonnet]

man daedalus never lets me go clocket
piercing vs explosive fire? maybe flurry if it still lets zeus attacks trigger per shot?

[ivory turtle]

Wack

[glacial sonnet]

DAEDALUS PLS
offered world splitter, hoarding and cursed slash

[potent tree]

Only the best for ya!

[round umbra]

fun arthur builds? Start with ddash and take whatever percent boosts to attack?

[vital night]

tdash

[proper furnace]

Lightning phalanx

[vital night]

hunting baldes

tdash dstrike build

play it like weak nem

honestly idk how to play arthur

[round umbra]

but it'll feel so underwhelming after I just did that with Eris that also had lightning rods

[proper furnace]

Do ME then

[round umbra]

That seems so much worse than with any other sword aspec tho

I realize I'm being difficult

but I blame arthur

[proper furnace]

Do Thegamer build

[round umbra]

some passive damage while dashing around my fortress of solitude doesn't sound like the worst

revenge builds let's goo

[round umbra]

whats that

[proper furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751198390892888294/1210306874893668402/Screenshot_20240222-162708.png?ex=65ea151d&is=65d7a01d&hm=fa0278068aed8f4eda2adef00a69f0257c06f0588d887ae216dbe16cae0aa090&

[potent tree]

Literal 🗑️

Seems like a good cosplay build though

[proper furnace]

Thegamer is peak funny (unintentionally)

Sea storm arthur vs all athena luci

[round umbra]

ME luci slaps

[proper furnace]

Who needs ME

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1018858873735610418/Screenshot_20220912-082117_Chrome.jpg?ex=65e5bcc4&is=65d347c4&hm=7386678d5406c99e033d6a5537c26d05c46be3d03178c0ca1649eff0d743af8e&

[vital night]

what

but why

does the beam even interact with projectiles

bc it doesn't destroy them

[proper furnace]

Deflect hitbox is like at the tip of the beam iirc

[vital night]

lmfao

[proper furnace]

And for why

[proper furnace]

.

[vital night]

i mean i'm just wondering why the builds are like that

[proper furnace]

Is literally their "best boons combos for hades"

[vital night]

build randomizer would give a better buid

[analog mauve]

the gamer cooked too hard

[vital night]

burned the kitchen down

[analog mauve]

real

[analog mauve]

im going to try this

i dont think im even going to see that many athena boons

[vital night]

fated authority mood

[analog mauve]

oh true

[vital night]

you're going to take everything so no point rolling boonns

[proper furnace]

The one fauth niche

[analog mauve]

might shackle start and reset for athena

and athena into aspho

[vital night]

start and end athena keepsake

do it

oh wait you're right

shackle into athena would give more athena

[proper furnace]

Keeping athena's for the whole run would be funnier

Commit to the bit

[analog mauve]

fair

let me just finish something

[vital night]

Imma do it too today lol

[south sonnet]

flood shot is great

[ivory turtle]

solo Athena Lucifer??

[vital night]

yeah

[ivory turtle]

the article is actually awful oml
"Boons hardly matter with this weapon" ????????????

[proper furnace]

Yup

One of the articles for sure

[ivory turtle]

this reads like it was written by chatgpt lol

[vital night]

it is one of the ever

oh they just ignore eris

[ivory turtle]

It's is the article of

[vital night]

cool

of the

[ivory turtle]

Dhhdhfbf

Apparently you put Poseidon on attack for fists according to this

That's... A choice

[manic creek]

Which article are you reading?

[ivory turtle]

Look up "thegamer Hades best boons"

[vital night]

https://www.thegamer.com/best-hades-builds-weapons-boons/

[manic creek]

Ah ok

Thanks

Is it bad?

[vital night]

quite

[ivory turtle]

Horrid

[manic creek]

I haven't read much of this chat

[manic creek]

Damn

[vital night]

you're good

i'm just really interested in this luci build

[manic creek]

I'll read it just because lmao

[vital night]

real

[ivory turtle]

Tbh same

[vital night]

it's actually pretty quick because they skip 80% of the aspects

[ivory turtle]

I wanna give it a try ngl

[vital night]

and poseidon and arthur are the most op sword aspects if you didn't know

[ivory turtle]

Oh for sure, no one cares about Nemesis

[south sonnet]

pos and arthur are actually decent

[vital night]

new src category: TheGamer
You have to clear on each of the aspects with the builds they give

[manic creek]

Excuse me

(I'm assuming you're being sarcastic lol)

[ivory turtle]

I mean they do suggest exit wounds on Poseidon which is actually a relatively good bit of advice

[vital night]

yeah

[ivory turtle]

(oh for sure)

[vital night]

and then they recommend doom on beo

no mirage

[manic creek]

(Thank god lmao, I can't live without Nemesis personally. Arthur's good too tho)

[proper furnace]

Trippy shot exit wounds on hera is also funny

[vital night]

yeah

oh i didn't even realize lmao

[ivory turtle]

Oh my gosh I missed that one Lol

[vital night]

also hangover guan yu

[proper furnace]

I can kinda cook it as, get exit wounds then pick trippy so getting arte legendary is easier

But still, lmao

[vital night]

exit wounds isn't even for fully loaded

[ivory turtle]

Oh btw Beo isnt the fastest way to play hades

[vital night]

because there's no other FL prereqs

[manic creek]

Bro where Nemesis

[vital night]

doesn't exist

crits arent reliable enough

[manic creek]

As smne who loves Nemesis I am incredibly offended

0/10

[ivory turtle]

Where literally 80% of the aspects lol

[vital night]

better to checks notes use flood shot on arthur

[manic creek]

true

[south sonnet]

actually somewhat viable

[manic creek]

Y'all were right, this is ass

[south sonnet]

for tower defence

[ivory turtle]

I love how they're like "Lucifer is the MOST BROKEN weapon EVER :O"

[vital night]

doesn't even need boons btw

[ivory turtle]

I know right like just pick Lucifer and then win

Bam 64 heat EZ

[manic creek]

is it though?

not really, I feel?

[ivory turtle]

Real talk would shackled Lucifer actually work

[manic creek]

Idk

I don't use the rail a lot

[ivory turtle]

Oh not at all

[proper furnace]

Beo is the most broken aspect

[ivory turtle]

In every sense lol

[vital night]

you'd probably want zeus on attack so idk

[proper furnace]

On both "meta" broken and actual how did this happen

[manic creek]

Bro what is this article

[manic creek]

I actually haven't gotten beo yet

I've no idea now

I want it tho

[vital night]

oh

[ivory turtle]

Guys apparently playing Beo "isn't the fastest way to play" LOL

[proper furnace]

Rng dialogue moment

[ivory turtle]

This is actually the chatgpt article of all time

[manic creek]

Yo, this article is fire. Put it out

[vital night]

real

[manic creek]

Lmao

[ivory turtle]

and fun fact!!! This was updated 2 months ago

[vital night]

i could understand if this was like 2 days after release

but they had chances to update

[vital night]

take as much chaos as you can for the dialogue

[manic creek]

I'm on that, but thanks for reminding me

[manic creek]

Ouch

[ivory turtle]

Here's the actual update note: As we're waiting for Hades 2 to arrive, keep your wits and blades sharp in the original Hades with this refreshed guide, now with more links to other helpful Hades topics.

[manic creek]

Fr

[round umbra]

need to get a lodging cast before you can get exit right? so sell after?

[ivory turtle]

Like this is apparently the latest and greatest

[proper furnace]

You can get it with base cast

[vital night]

seems like 1. unlock GY, 2. invest 5 blood into shield aspects, 3. talk to chaos while holding a shield

[manic creek]

Nuh uh

[round umbra]

how do you get trippy shot on hera?

[vital night]

you can

[round umbra]

how?

[vital night]

better with stygian

just do it?

[proper furnace]

No you can't

[manic creek]

Got it (what's GY)

[vital night]

doesn't it explode on impact

[round umbra]

can get trippy flare

[ivory turtle]

No you can't you can get trippy flare

[proper furnace]

Can I offer you trippy flare tho

[vital night]

oh ok i figured you were referring to the same thing

[round umbra]

with 50% of the bugs of the other one

[ivory turtle]

Secret aspect for spear lol

[vital night]

guan yu

hidden spear

[manic creek]

Ahhh

[round umbra]

nah I was being a pedantic jerk

[proper furnace]

Just get the visual beo bug where flare reverts back to saying flood shot

[round umbra]

okay jerk is allwed

[manic creek]

I got it, beo's the only aspect I'm missing

[round umbra]

how do you achieve this power?

[proper furnace]

Iirc only the first talk matters for dialogue

The rest is just random dialogue/no dialogue at all for the run

[proper furnace]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Ik it's a thing but why would I know why it happens

[vital night]

Lol Ait

[manic creek]

This article hurts to read I'm stopping

It was fun while it lasted

[proper furnace]

At least their article on playing the lyre ir right

There's also the keepsake ranking

[manic creek]

Not having Nemesis, nor Aquilles nor Eris killed me tho

There's sm missing its painful

[proper furnace]

Oh this is a banger

[ivory turtle]

Okay so I looked at the article through the wayback machine and the funniest part is that literally nothing has changed since August 10th 2021

[proper furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751198390892888294/1210323992557125723/Screenshot_20240222-173432.png?ex=65ea250e&is=65d7b00e&hm=d1e9101bebcca96222763106a4d444e95dd016e4e4342ee86a28eebd5005b2ce&

Dyno I hate u so much

[ivory turtle]

And it was published Sept 21, 2020

And the only change is they added pictures and the table LOL

[proper furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751198390892888294/1210323993333202965/Screenshot_20240222-173446.png?ex=65ea250e&is=65d7b00e&hm=5a8e32cb49a93c8a610fc21c5ddf1d3a2deae91fea23ca4e8411abe95509a4a9&

[ivory turtle]

WHAT

[proper furnace]

Bets on what's the #1 spot is

I say tooth

Called it

[manic creek]

Ah yes, quite up to date

[ivory turtle]

NO WAY

[proper furnace]

Acorn surprisingly at #2

And plume at #3

[ivory turtle]

Was Myrmidon bracer at 3

Oh dang it

[hot belfry]

where’s this from

[vagrant crane]

hell

[manic creek]

Are you serious

[ivory turtle]

Second this

[proper furnace]

#4 is mom pom and #5 is sigil of the dad

[manic creek]

I'm sorry what

[ivory turtle]

(It's from TheGamer

[proper furnace]

I love thegamer

[hot belfry]

idk why gaming websites take it upon themselves to make guides that have bad advice in them for every game in existence

[manic creek]

More like TheLoser /j

[proper furnace]

Get that /j out of here

They deserve it

[vagrant crane]

is it not satire

[manic creek]

HSHDHDHS sorry I didn't want to be too rude

[hot belfry]

maybe it’s because the game journalists have more games to cover so they play the game for 20 hours and write a guide and move on to the next game

[vagrant crane]

i always thought it was a satire website

[ivory turtle]

Oh absolutely not

[vagrant crane]

wow

[manic creek]

Doesn't seem like it unfortunately

[vagrant crane]

ok then

so they really meant that athena luci thing?

[ivory turtle]

It's 100% serious lol

[ivory turtle]

Absolutely

[vagrant crane]

hell

[manic creek]

And that's what hurts the most

Where are my aspects bro

I see none of them NONE

[ivory turtle]

Never heard of them

[manic creek]

Cadet erasure fr

[proper furnace]

Well, clearly the aren't the best

So why would they be on a best combos guide

[manic creek]

Eh honestly even if they were there, they would've found a way to ruin them so I'm partly glad they're not there

[hot belfry]

a couple months ago i found an article of best aspects and i think it had chaos as the best in the game

[primal brook]

I generally ignore advice given to me because I like smashing my head against a wall until one of them break

[manic creek]

Hell no

[ivory turtle]

Yeah this is true, but the thing is there are literally communities you can consult to help you make stuff that isn't actually useless drivel

[primal brook]

Back during early versions of the game that was to some degree true

[manic creek]

Same but this article is

[proper furnace]

Someone one day is gonna post their first victory here or reddit and say they followed thegamer guides

[hot belfry]

yea fs

[ivory turtle]

There's a right and wrong way to be a video game journalist and this is NOT the right way lol

[primal brook]

Well perhaps we should make an even more cursed article (like have aspect of arthur with cursed slash as top aspect with top hammer)

[hot belfry]

there are good guides for games out there and they’re always made by like. community members

and not thegamer.com

[manic creek]

That'd painfully funny

[manic creek]

Agreed

[ivory turtle]

I've actually seen some good stuff come out of Polygon, specifically for Zelda BotW

[proper furnace]

You can't make it more cursed cuz you already go in with the intention

[manic creek]

You can do better thegamer, come on

[hot belfry]

oh yea thats true actually

[proper furnace]

You need the energy to be this serious about uh

[manic creek]

Oooo really

[proper furnace]

Whatever this is

[hot belfry]

polygon and ign shrine/divine beast guides were quite good

[manic creek]

Do they have stuff of totk?

[hot belfry]

but that’s an exception lol

yeah

[ivory turtle]

Yeah I think so

[manic creek]

Neato

I'll have to see it

[hot belfry]

i tried to do totk without guides so i’m not sure how good those ones are

the botw shrine guides were solid though

[manic creek]

I've already done all the shrines and dungeons but I'll check em out anyway just to see if they're good

[vagrant crane]

polygon made funy video brine david

[ivory turtle]

Out of all of the video game news outlets I think Polygon is probably the best

[vagrant crane]

so they r cool

[ivory turtle]

Ok you rite actually

[manic creek]

Btw lumosterris love the one shot pfp

Unrelated but I had to say it

[ivory turtle]

Also GameSpot has a really cool YouTube series about random BotW/TotK facts that's high quality lol

[ivory turtle]

DUDE THANK YOU

[manic creek]

NP played the game recently and fell in love with it it's amazing

[manic creek]

I saw em, they're good

[hot belfry]

omg its worse than i remember

[manic creek]

What is

[ivory turtle]

also we should probably move to the general video game channel

[manic creek]

Sure

[hot belfry]

that article has chaos as an s tier aspect and it lists “strong blocking and bashing” as its main strength

as if every other shield doesn’t also have that with better things????

[manic creek]

FR

[ivory turtle]

W H

[proper furnace]

Chaos top tier cuz is the only one that gets you chaos voicelines mid run

[ivory turtle]

Real talk tho

[manic creek]

Wait really????

[proper furnace]

Yeah

Also I keep mixing up yours and Lumo's pfp somehow

[manic creek]

Cool

[manic creek]

Lmao I mean, both cats

[analog mauve]

used all my rolls in tartarus

only 1 athena boon

(the keepsake one)

[glacial sonnet]

The gamer

dot com

[analog mauve]

ffs i cannot get a single athena boon

ive reset 3 times already only keepsake athena in tart despite using all rolls

maybe i should lower the heat

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1210337991088677004/image.png?ex=65ea3218&is=65d7bd18&hm=57a00e1b21a21d633e10320420377199ca89f23ca313f08bc45050d2ae4adca6&

the gamer doesnt list this duo boon in their lucifer guide so it must be trash

the gamer has been cooking

[manic creek]

Wait you're actually using it?

How is it?

[analog mauve]

i mean

just aphro attack but weaker

[manic creek]

Oof

[analog mauve]

but its funny

i think all purple so far

[manic creek]

Because it's bad?

Or just because

Idk, again I don't use rail a lot so idrk what good for it and what isn't

[analog mauve]

you usually want zeus on fast attacking weapons and aspects

not % boons like athena

[manic creek]

Aha

[analog mauve]

since they have a low base damage the % wont scale it as much

[manic creek]

Got it

[analog mauve]

leaving asphodel, only 3 athena boons left to find

unfortunately im not able ot sell arty call

[viral geode]

but whyyy are you using athena??

[plain river]

Well it’s Luci so the damage does “scale” it’s just never enough to win out over lightning strike

[viral geode]

is this meme build

[plain river]

Yea

[vital night]

lol I should do on 32

[manic creek]

Yep

[vital night]

16 kinda funny

can't really tell what's working or not

[viral geode]

me with greater inferno would be kinda cool ngl

[manic creek]

Understandable

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1018858873735610418/Screenshot_20220912-082117_Chrome.jpg?ex=65ae5dc4&is=659be8c4&hm=015a307e3a6bf21b1cc60deef6c56266841aaf59396f5740989302a9d46b97d2&

Thegamer recommends this build for lucifer

[analog mauve]

athena blessed me i can now sell arty call

[viral geode]

lmao that's hilarious

[vital night]

have dash, attack, and special going into aspho

[analog mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1210342208134184961/image.png?ex=65ea3605&is=65d7c105&hm=f8b8627c7c7d03c645578c0eb1eecb8fdac0858fcc7ee63580e96efb95a06719&

[viral geode]

how many more?

[analog mauve]

3

sorry i cant equip athena keepsake the whole way @proper furnace im not that good at bosses yet 😩

[proper furnace]

lmao fair

tbh I wouldn't have tried this at 40 anyways so you win anyways

[viral geode]

if you stand in your special are you almost invulnerable?

maybe you need greater inferno

[vital night]

nah

it only deflects on the ticks

and melee still gets through afaik

i mean it's not unplayable

it's just funny

like in what world is phalanx shot useful here

[analog mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1210344398999785472/image.png?ex=65ea380f&is=65d7c30f&hm=5462fe67eccfb285b331940179d4a374b4449bdeae3bb0832ebbc00f29bdb82b&

can someone double check if that is all

im def gonna have to purge one of these actually

😩

[vital night]

NO I'M OUT OF ROLLS

[analog mauve]

sell well has all of my non athena boons 😌

[vital night]

it's over. the game doesn't want to give me more athena

unplayable

[analog mauve]

im taking them all

thats why

[vital night]

hey give them back

neither tunnels nor styx shop have athena

it's over

[analog mauve]

should i take lego or extra dd

[vital night]

lego

[primal brook]

lego, it's orange

[analog mauve]

i want to

but i know i suck at hades fight

ill probably end up dying

[primal brook]

it also pauses tight deadline when you reach 1 health and 0 seconds remaining

[analog mauve]

ok ill just win ig

[primal brook]

So follow hypnos's advice and don't get hit.

[analog mauve]

so true

[vital night]

just spam special and trigger with dash

the attack doesn't do significant damage

cleared but only got the 4 cores

unfortunate

[hot belfry]

is it better to go for heart rend or splitting headache with rama

i like big crits but i feel like more crits is better

[analog mauve]

heart rend

splitting headache is glorified pressure points

[hot belfry]

damn really

oh wait hangover stacks to 5 not 10

yea that doesn’t sound very good lol nvm

[plain river]

Splitting headache just isn’t good

Even in the best possible circumstances

[eager flint]

fake, the best possible circumstances is that the RNG aligns just right so that the crit% difference from low tolerance makes you do only critical hits instead of none at all. Tripling your DPS.

Splitting headache is busted.

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

[south sonnet]

just get the crits™️

heat 64 is easy on all aspects just get the crits

[analog mauve]

i wouldnt be able to clear even with all crits

[eager flint]

same

[analog mauve]

actually

maybe

[plain river]

Only issue is you need pressure points for that

and at that point

Your best circumstance is to just hit all the crits with pp

Why take an extra boon that only improves odds when we’re purely looking at when everything goes right

That’s a boon that could be heart rend instead

Or a pom

Sidenote but for people who aren’t Juncoril, I am not advising looking at things purely based on the best possible outcome

[analog mauve]

i like having a positive outlook

not the boon the boon sucks

[plain river]

For games that aren’t Hades, just taking the average boost works really well

For games that are Hades, where breakpoints matter

eh

Look at average damage less and more of just non-crit damage since it’s most consistent

And you want to consistently be cracking enemies break points rather than just sometimes

[ivory turtle]

okay question

I wanna do the athena luci build

why take shackle into tarty?

[tight basin]

you dont

you take athena into tart

[ivory turtle]

oh

why did I read it the other way LOL

[nimble lava]

So I've made a goofy biuld recently so basicly you use the shield of chaos and for the dedalus hammer you 1st pick the one alowing it to bounce more often and the 2nd one the one alowing the bull rush to charge faster, then you take the Zeus/Ares boon that makes a lightning or inflicts doom with your special and then youre done with some other boons that make you generally speaking stronger

[icy pine]

Wat

[vital night]

No you read it right. You would take shackle so that you could force Athena into aspho, basically getting yourself one more guaranteed Athena boon

[ivory turtle]

huh

with fated authority right

[analog mauve]

its a horrible build dont try it

[ivory turtle]

also I'm playing beo and already have mirage shot, should I take an epic athena cast to replace?

[analog mauve]

theres nothing special fun or unique about it

[ivory turtle]

tbh I might try it for the sheer soul-suckingness

[analog mauve]

keep pos

[ivory turtle]

is it for the AOE? it looks like by the numbers athena does more damage

[analog mauve]

iirc athena cast aoe is tiny

[ivory turtle]

ohhhh

wat

[analog mauve]

and theres other stuff too i guess but i wouldnt know that

[vital night]

Well the idea is that if you force Athena in tart, you expend the keepsake and can’t force again

So your first boon in aspho could be whatever and you’d have to use a roll

But if you take shackle into tart and reset for Athena as first boon, you can have two guaranteed Athena boons by forcing in aspho, thus saving a roll to get Athena elsewhere

By no means should you do any of this btw

It’s just a weaker version of the actual good build

[ivory turtle]

ohhhhh that actually makes sense

[tight basin]

if you crit every hit then you deal enough damage to win on anything more or less

give or take a few aspects lmao

[icy pine]

Ah

Fair enough

64 heat sounds crazy tho

[tight basin]

it is

it's been done a few times

by 6 people

although only 2 have done unmodded unseeded

[icy pine]

Wait 2

Angelic and someone else?

[tight basin]

bai

chinese player

[icy pine]

Damn

It's always the Chinese players going crazy

[tight basin]

baj did routed 64 a while ago before angel

mysterra did modded 64 before angel iirc? or shortly after

poshboy and another chinese player recently got 64 modded

half of them are chinese players actually lmao

[icy pine]

Hmm
I thought angel was the first to get 64 heat unmodded and unseeded

[tight basin]

yeah she is

baj did unmodded seeded

the order is more or less like

baj unmodded seeded
mysterra modded unseeded
angel modded unseeded
angel unmodded unseeded
bai unmodded unseeded
poshboy modded unseeded
other chinese player i forgot the name of modded unseeded

i forgot where bai's modded unseeded goes

might've been before angel or after idk

but he's done modded unseeded like multiple times

same as mystrra

bai and mysterra are the best zeus heat players lmao

[glacial sonnet]

What is unseeded

[tight basin]

whenever you start a run, it randomly generates a seed for the run
whenever you hit give up, you start off with the same seed so you can kinda manipulate your way into getting the stuff you want after a while
unseeded means you have no idea and go in completely blind. it's why at the start of every legal unseeded run, it shows a death before the actual run starts

[icy pine]

Ah

Okay okay

Thanks for the explanation 🤝

So basically they play it multiple times

Give up

And then start figuring out the path to victory then

[tight basin]

for seeded runs more or less yeah

but no one really does seeded runs

[glacial sonnet]

What weps/aspects go well with supporting fire
Cuz i hear sf triggers too slow for things like fist

[plain river]

Fist and rail but even then sf just isn’t great

and zeus shield

[glacial sonnet]

so is exit wounds + pressure points the way to go for fully loaded?

how good is exit wounds without poseidon sword anyway

or it being wasted on non lodging like hunting blades

[agile mango]

how do i get my first win?

what build is good

i havent unlocked aspects yet

i keep dying on rats part

[eager flint]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[agile mango]

thanks

[eager flint]

SF is fine. It's not big DPS by any stretch of the imagination, but it's something, it's very easy to play, it helps a lot with getting gauge and eventually some crit procs with PP to get more hunter's mark

or well, with hunter's mark itself to chain them

[plain river]

Absolutely just wasted on nonlodging

[plain river]

Even on pos, ideally it’s just some extra boss damage

[polar python]

Trouble with Support Fire and Hunter's Mark is that SF stops you controlling where the mark is (because it'll just ping it off a target before you can line up big damage). I explicitly avoid that combination if HM is a big part of my strategy (e.g. Hestia).

[vital night]

SF is really nice with eris

[polar python]

It's fine, but there are plenty of other Artemis boons I'd take first.

[vital night]

Sure

[hot belfry]

i love rama

2 hit asterius miniboss feels so good

well

4 hit

if you count the cast and special

hunter dash + chaos dash strike + heart rend + perfect shot

[glacial sonnet]

Aphro attack? any lodging cast or a particular one

[tight basin]

Any lodging cast

Rama doesn't really benefit from a particular cast boon

As long as it lodges for boiling blood then that's all that matters

[rocky arrow]

Random build for me to try?

[vagrant crane]

so basically

theres this build with beowulf

wher eu have flood flare

and deadly strike

and mirage shot

[rocky arrow]

Lmao

Should I run pride or legacy for beo flood flare

[vagrant crane]

legacy

[rocky arrow]

Does Minotaur rush affect charged shot?

[vagrant crane]

yeah but it suck

[rocky arrow]

Ok

[fervent root]

Any suggestions for Demeter Fists?