h1-builds-and-combat

[plain river]

Oh wait it’s artemis special

hm

I mean aphro is like splash dash but the diameter of a dime

So it should work just more annoying

and then you unlock your duos

[glacial sonnet]

dio attack on eris rail good? does the bomb boost affect DOTs?

or percentage boon is better?

[valid dagger]

Dio Attack very good on Eris

The bomb affects everything, its global damage

The issue with Dio attack is there arent any boons that boost its damage further, so you'll be simply pomming it and looking for other damge sources such as Dash and Call. Not necessarily a bad thing and you'll do this all the time on Eris but your attack might feel underwhelming in some instances. When it comes to Zeus attack, you can always find a Zeus boon to boost its damage, Jolted + Splitting will make your attack much stronger compared to Dio.

[glacial sonnet]

pressure points also work on hangover tics?

[plain river]

PP works on all your damage sources

but

It’s percent is so low it’s really not worth much

Notably, you need pressure points for splitting headache to affect hangover

But splitting headache ain’t that great for the same reason

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1204602281035833436/B9F0C7A4-BE86-43D0-B315-8457AB06D693.jpg?ex=65d5544c&is=65c2df4c&hm=53a59292d81a9cd9b62ea056586c08f5fd93c9c9524e84258d416fe7865fd6c7&

In term of hangover duos to boost your dps

It’s the lowest bt a mile

[glacial sonnet]

i think
i should try lucifer with demeter attack and hope for arctic blast

[glacial sonnet]

is there a build where dionysus is rly strong? maybe on fists?

[eager flint]

beo trippy shot, hera trippy shot, fist hangover strike, chiron hangover special

[dapper harness]

zeus Dio special also works

but any special on zeus works lol

[plain river]

hangover builds work pretty nice on any weapon, best on fists, & chiron & maybe zeus special though. Slap hangover on either your weapons higher hits/second option or call and aphrodite on the heavier of attack and special

look for low tolerance and pom the crap out of your hangover

if you see ares, take curse of vengeance to open curse of nausea

[glacial sonnet]

so dashing flight for shield means as long as i am mid-dash the shield does more damage right? cuz i dont think i can dash-q without standing for a bit which seems to be just normal special

oh wait nvm i think dashing flight only triggers if i hit special right after dash?

[round umbra]

except hoarding slash and summons, right?

[proper furnace]

Right (at least for summons)

I know hoarding is applied after everything but I don't remember if that involves crit calculation

[round umbra]

Arguably, all 3 hangover duos boost it, right? Though yeah, depending on those 3 gods isn't reliable.

[plain river]

Howrding slash happens after everything

So

Yes

[valid dagger]

Splitting Headache probably less than the other two. You can depend on 2 gods but there are much stronger options for Eris. Id much rather have Poseidon or Zeus instead of an Aphro core/ Ares just for the duo, because they dont offer much aside from that

Aphro core isnt that bad but wouldnt look for it specifically

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1204602281035833436/B9F0C7A4-BE86-43D0-B315-8457AB06D693.jpg?ex=65d5544c&is=65c2df4c&hm=53a59292d81a9cd9b62ea056586c08f5fd93c9c9524e84258d416fe7865fd6c7&

Splitting headache is irrelevant

[round umbra]

Heart Rend is Low Tolerance?

[plain river]

Yeah

I

Was tired when I made that

[round umbra]

That's splitting without low tol?

[plain river]

Low tolerance and curse of nausea are both good but artemis just messes up your low tolerance and curse of nausea odds by introducing heart rend and splitting headache

[round umbra]

splitting giving other damage a boost is nice, but ig there isn't likely to be much other damage

[plain river]

With low tolerance it isn’t much better

Plus you need pressure points to even get hangover to crit

[round umbra]

yeah, I get you

?

[plain river]

splitting headache is weird

[round umbra]

Doesn't splitting get hangover to crit?

[plain river]

It only boosts the crit chance of things that already have a crit chance

[round umbra]

wait really?

[plain river]

yeah

[round umbra]

the heck?

that is mega lame

[plain river]

don’t ask me I didn’t write the code

That tidbit is 2nd hand info though, I haven’t taken a look at the code mysepf

pretty sure it’s true though

[round umbra]

just searching this discord, some people are saying hangover can't crit, but maybe that's just them not fully understanding this?

[plain river]

probably

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1205909047807578143/image.png?ex=65da1551&is=65c7a051&hm=3158083cc413b6c156b93f9d3d00b649186c623760db80a04a3e5a1fb6c96954&

[round umbra]

but do all this math assuming you have pp which you'd need, which makes splitting slightly worse

[proper furnace]

I really hate splitting headache

[eager flint]

me_irl

[proper furnace]

I'm sorry to all the people I told it was a way to make Than crit

[eager flint]

I also really hate to have my heart rend

I dislike being hangover too, for that matter

[round umbra]

requiring pp is mega lame

but if you get it and pp and heart rend...

[proper furnace]

Tbh what I hate the most is bc of the wording lmao

[round umbra]

Shackle, do the damage calc with heart rend

[proper furnace]

But when have tool tips in this game not be weird

[round umbra]

what's weird about the wording?

[proper furnace]

Headache wording is basically the same as hunter's mark

"enemies are more likely to be crit" or smth like that

[round umbra]

hunter's mark tooltip doesn't make it clear it ends after they take damage does it? When exactly does HM end?

[proper furnace]

It is consumed on crit

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1205910457236586496/image.png?ex=65da16a1&is=65c7a1a1&hm=7af4556870a7bf8d7185429ca68d69ba318f32981d18f0f10e407ed32f248bbd&

pp incuded'

[round umbra]

lol

[proper furnace]

My fav tooltip moment is always a thunder flare swap

[plain river]

2 duos and 1 secondary boon to be worse than curse of nausea

[proper furnace]

You see the 0 cast dmg in all of its glory

[plain river]

I mean at least with pp hr and sh

[round umbra]

wait really? so it creates an endless crit chain, just moving at variable speeds if crit chance is higher

[plain river]

you can have some fun with hunters mark

[proper furnace]

Enemies do have to be somewhat near but yeah, hunter's mark pretty much chains

[round umbra]

lol bouncing HM back and forth with pp and sh

[proper furnace]

Idk the range for mark to proc

Mark's is so fun for heroes

[plain river]

hm can also be pommed up to 100%

[round umbra]

HM doesn't have SH's dumb requirement, does it?

[plain river]

no

you can crit with summons with sh

and crit with traps

[round umbra]

wait really?

even though they don't have a base crit chance?

[plain river]

still can't crit with extra damage from hoarding slash or ME

it makes the crit chance a thing about the enemy

[round umbra]

why summons and traps but not hangover (and I assume doom and lightning) without pp. The heckin heck?

[plain river]

when the enemy takes damage rather than the source itself

hangover can also crit off HM

anything really

[round umbra]

did you mean sh or hm here?

[proper furnace]

I think you put the wrong abbreviation

[plain river]

I meant HM

[round umbra]

lol okay that clears things up

[plain river]

since the enemy now has a crit chance on all damage they take

[round umbra]

yeye

same deal as takes more vs you deal more

[plain river]

it's just hoarding slash and Merciful End get added after all the damage calcs

so they won't multiply their damage

[round umbra]

ME too? weird

[plain river]

the extra 40 from ME is the same as hoarding

[round umbra]

not that that super is the important part of ME

I assumed it was added to the doom. Good to know

[plain river]

those are, afaik, the only 2 cases where it's considered extra damage

now that I say that, gilgamesh's maim comes to mind

[proper furnace]

It can work from mark's iirc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/751198390892888294/904197585840013352/2021103023375101-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4

[plain river]

yeah I'm not sure if maim is actually extra damge

I haven't used it with sweet surrender to check

[round umbra]

So it'd be on the same level as summons?

It's not affected by priv status/whatever the one I always use it called and other global damage?

[plain river]

Priv stat actually isn’t global damage iirc

while sweet surrender is

I’d have to fact check myself but

Priv stat won’t boost summons but sweet surrender will

rd works the same way

[proper furnace]

I mean, priv stat is a "buff dmg dealt" same as fam fav

[plain river]

whereas sweet surrender is a buff to damage taken

or smthing

[proper furnace]

Yeah surrender is enemies take more dmg

[plain river]

maim works the same way

as sweet surrender

yeah?

[proper furnace]

Yup

Targetting system too

[round umbra]

global damage boost refers to boosting damage you do I thought

not boosting damage enemy takes

priv status is boost to all damage you do to a particular enemy right?

[round umbra]

I think blackout is the 4th and final. Which ig makes HM the 4.5th

[plain river]

❌

Priv status buffs the same damage as family favourites

[round umbra]

yeah

[plain river]

It’s odd because you’d think it works the same way as sweet surrender

[round umbra]

yeah, damage you do

[plain river]

But it works like rd and ff instead

[round umbra]

summons aren't you

I'm saying priv stat works the same way as eris and as its alt

but only on some enemies

and that type of damage boost is referred to as "global damage boost" I thought

The one that boosts lightning/hangover/doom but not summons (and maim ig)

[plain river]

👍

[round umbra]

it is weird boosting global damage against a particular enemy yeah

I would probably sometimes use it if it did boost damage taken

Haven't used it in a long long time

haven't done a hangover based run in a long time ig is what I'm saying

[proper furnace]

I've seen Nyaanyaa differentiate by how do you apply the buff actually

Like eris vs maim buff

Both are global dmg but one needs you to apply it 1 enemy at a time

[round umbra]

except priv status is one enemy at a time

well, is enemy specific

That doesn't make much sense as a way to differentiate them since priv status breaks that

[glacial sonnet]

is battle rage worth on rapid fire wpn like fist?

[eager flint]

Battle rage is the "more strike/special damage after kill", right ?

[glacial sonnet]

yeah

[eager flint]

it's pretty useless

very niche case I assume

[glacial sonnet]

i can get a 200% one rn or get another boon for getting ares legendary

i have his aid

[eager flint]

well if you're commited to going blade I guess ares legendary is better 🤷‍♂️

oh

[proper furnace]

What's the third boon

[eager flint]

ok I'm malding but full call might make ares legendary worth it

[glacial sonnet]

forgot the third boon choice alrdy

zag fist with dem attack and ares aid
also picked up zeus on special

though i guess zag fist is mostly just attack

[proper furnace]

Yeah

Ideally you'd reverse your special and attack lmao

[glacial sonnet]

i got arctic blast tho

[eager flint]

I'm not even sure dem attack + arctic blast is enough damage to compete with just lightning strike alone

[proper furnace]

But if this is the build vicious cycle ares call will prob do more dmh

[eager flint]

not even taking jolted or the legendary into account

[proper furnace]

Or any global dmg

[eager flint]

global damage helps dem and zeus builds as much, right ? I guess it helps dem less because it's additive with the dmg% from dem strike

[proper furnace]

Yeah and this is fist attack

[glacial sonnet]

oh
jank time i guess

[proper furnace]

15 base dmg moment

[eager flint]

btw I don't remember what exactly, but isn't there something about vicious cycle that makes it much worse than it seems ?

[proper furnace]

Is only +1 on cast and dash

Works correctly (+2) on call

And is an amazing +0 on flare

[eager flint]

Oh yeah, that's a scam

Beo is the most bugged aspect in the underworld

I'm curious how good/bad it is on a hunting blade build. Half effect seems rough. But it's still something I guess

[glacial sonnet]

i got a hammer for heavy knuckle

40 base damage

do i get

[proper furnace]

Might as well have fun with it

The one talos niche

[glacial sonnet]

the other is quake cutter or uhh draining cutter

[eager flint]

you've got the choice between making your build sucks (low damage on strike) or making your build sucks (low arctic blast procs) xD

[proper furnace]

Not like artic blast is that amazing

[eager flint]

true

[proper furnace]

It really needed to be pommable

[glacial sonnet]

i pommed dem attack like 6 times

poor mans whatever that does 80 base dmg

[proper furnace]

Oh wait, prob too late but

You also would get slower call charge

With heavy I mean

[glacial sonnet]

[proper furnace]

Is your god pool full

Find aphro for smair

[glacial sonnet]

full

also i cant find centaur hearts

130hp before stage 3 boss

[proper furnace]

Winnable

[glacial sonnet]

15% dodge chance pls

do i get jerky or hydralite gold from pat

i might go jerky for greedy

[eager flint]

how much effective HP is it with 15% dodge

[glacial sonnet]

oh i also got charon discount thankfully

[eager flint]

urg maths

I hope it's just x1.15 and not anything funky

[glacial sonnet]

ravenous will or mistral dash

[eager flint]

Rarity ?

[glacial sonnet]

white rw, purple dash

[eager flint]

Oof

I'm not sure tbh

[glacial sonnet]

10% dmg reduction?

i have electric shot so idk can still lodge

last god in the pool is artemis

[eager flint]

ravenous is usually better

[glacial sonnet]

i havent picked anything from her yet though

[eager flint]

I'd say hunter dash is better, and zeus dash is better if you have jolted. Ares dash is always better, especially with some blade boosts

[eager flint]

what

how can she be in your pool if you haven't picked something from her

[glacial sonnet]

ima just have to dodge my way into victory
also yeah idk artemis only rolled like 2 times in asphodel and then once in elysium but i went to see pat instead

wait is she still not in the pool if spawned but not picked

[proper furnace]

No

What's your god pool
Zeus-dem-athena-arte?

[glacial sonnet]

dem, zeus, ares

white hermes dash (+1), or purple second wind? or 20% faster attack lol

opportunity cost being wasted trying to plug my heavy knuckle lul

[proper furnace]

Either do the funny and commit with that swift strike or take the more reasonable extra dash

[glacial sonnet]

lol ill just take dash

finally a centaur chamber but the other chamber is demeter/zeus trial chamber

lol whatever i pray for dodge

[proper furnace]

Neither of those gods are doing much there ngl

[glacial sonnet]

jolt, billowing strength, thunder dash

[eager flint]

jolt

you'll have to use special more

[glacial sonnet]

amen

[eager flint]

but ngl I feel like even if it procs twice a fight it will still do more than the others

Oh wait

[proper furnace]

Jolt and find lightning reflexes later

[eager flint]

Billowing works with full call, right ? Like, for the call itself ?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[eager flint]

If so it might be good damage on your ares call

[proper furnace]

But this is heavy knuckle gaming

[eager flint]

fair fair

[proper furnace]

You aren't getting full call reasonably fast

[glacial sonnet]

lol winter freeze offered

maybe i can get a 10% discount on boss hp later

[proper furnace]

Enjoy the one liners

[glacial sonnet]

time to fight power armor bull

beyblade bull

at 22/130 hp

there spent 1 dd

13/130 win

im still broke af despite having charon discount

what is happening

also supposedly demeter spews out one liners with winter harvest but i almost never hear it besides finishing off asterius

[plain river]

Her one liners are mainly against the big man himself

[glacial sonnet]

oh
also i found cold fusion at styx start

pray to the fates i remember to press q

ok sweet 2/5 satyr sack
theres still an ares, dio, and pom chamber

nah?

[proper furnace]

They only work on bosses

[plain river]

What would you even be looking for from dio and ares

if you can’t think of anything majorly impactful then nah

[glacial sonnet]

probably too late to llok for ares legendary then

electric shot triggers jolt too right

[plain river]

ares legendary isn’t even as effective as the text

[plain river]

Yeah

[glacial sonnet]

ok

[plain river]

It’s only +1 for cast and dash

[glacial sonnet]

180hp vs gigadad

[tight basin]

You already have cold fusion you don't need another jolted source imo

[glacial sonnet]

180 + 90 + 90

[tight basin]

What's jolted procing off of anyways

[glacial sonnet]

cast and special now ig

[proper furnace]

Special pretty sure

[proper furnace]

This is call

[plain river]

Oh

[glacial sonnet]

tfw hades casts darkness on my monitor too in his phase 3

[plain river]

I mean

In that case

It’s ares call

[proper furnace]

Oh this was em4

[proper furnace]

Turn up that brightness setting, trust

[plain river]

Your least impactful source of damage gets a minor boost

[glacial sonnet]

hit twice alrdy with my acorn at the start

[plain river]

tbh ares call is like mainly a defensive tool

grief your dps for invincibility

[proper furnace]

This is a build of all time so we were discussing if full call would do more dmg

[glacial sonnet]

lost 1 dd

[eager flint]

except that "invincibility" last like 2 milliseconds and with no warning for when it disappears

[glacial sonnet]

ded 💀

phase 3

[eager flint]

look on the good side

you don't have to play that "build" anymore

[glacial sonnet]

ok so whats the winning formula zeus attack?

[eager flint]

the winning formula is get lucky with ME

but yeah zeus attack is good

[plain river]

Which weapon

[eager flint]

then jolted

[plain river]

/aspect

[glacial sonnet]

might do zag fists again or dem fist as change

[plain river]

zag is really like, merciful end, zap fists with smair or hangover

Same with dem

And talos

And giglamesh

they’re all the same weapon and none of the aspects change the gameplay enough to warrant anything different

At best with talos you can focus on casting or take heavy knuckle

[glacial sonnet]

despite having gods pride at 20% i still get mostly white boons last run

lets try ME demeter with gods legacy?

[plain river]

Eh just bad luck

Tbh with ME

I’d still take pride

Unless I was really frustrated about rng

[glacial sonnet]

ok so get ares attack then athena dash then

so i can get ME quick

[plain river]

ares attack then athena special

[glacial sonnet]

oh damn almost didnt check the codex

[plain river]

Merciful end can only be found with athena on strike or special

[glacial sonnet]

white curse of agony 💀

20% pride

skill issue

[plain river]

I mean

nevermind

Pride has more uses then just doom rarity

Hermes and chaos rarity are huge

[glacial sonnet]

forced into dio chamber

[plain river]

Take his call if possible

I mean trippy shot would be better for ME odds but dio call is 2nd best call dps

Or just take a secondary boon

[glacial sonnet]

i got strong drink cuz the other two is dash or special

explosive upper for hammer dem fist yeah

[plain river]

Love to see it

[glacial sonnet]

yay 68% attack dmg from chaos

uh oh demeter forced

[plain river]

Attack damage itself isn’t too huge on dem

Or zag

dash strike is because it affects your dash upper

[glacial sonnet]

dash or rav will?

[plain river]

rav will

You want ddash for ME

[glacial sonnet]

oh yeah forgot

purple RW

nectar for bouldy for good luck

1% cast damage

[plain river]

Rng manip bouldy for 8 years to get 10% movespeed

[glacial sonnet]

tartarus already have 205hp now

better start than last run end

[plain river]

Goodness that’s a questionable tart

I’d understand if the best chaos you had got was like +hp

But gettinn forced into like 4 hearts in tart

[glacial sonnet]

gotta force athena in aspho

[plain river]

That’s like half your gold laurels

[glacial sonnet]

forced into another centaur heart chamber as soon as i enter asphodel

[plain river]

hold on did you say you were running em4

What heat is this

[glacial sonnet]

em4 only

[plain river]

Ah

[glacial sonnet]

do i get hermes or eurydice nectar

[plain river]

eurydice

[glacial sonnet]

pom chamber next

[plain river]

You want the guaranteed rarity for your hermes and ME odds

[glacial sonnet]

does refreshing nectar charges go away if i reroll with fated persuasion?

[plain river]

Fated persuasion keeps the rarity biost

if you take a boon it will always take a nectar charge

[glacial sonnet]

nectar charges only go down if i take the boon right

oh ok

[plain river]

But you can roll as much as you want and have the same boost

[glacial sonnet]

divine dash but no special

[plain river]

Hope for special

Take any cast you find to make your athena special odds better

[glacial sonnet]

got special before hydra

[plain river]

Then you can be a bit more selective with your cast

you still want a cast asap though to make your ME odds better

[glacial sonnet]

ok acorn time

maybe ill get athena cast so i can still lodge

240hp should be more than enough right

dont need to get more heart chambers

[plain river]

Ideally

I also just think athena works a lot better than ares and dem for immediate damage and you don’t have to do anything fancy like dio

[glacial sonnet]

ME get

hermes swift special/attack?

[proper furnace]

No hyper sprint/dashes?

[glacial sonnet]

i heard something maybe wrong but hermes attack doesnt work on dash strike?

no but i can reroll ig

[plain river]

It doesn’t

[glacial sonnet]

already have ME so i can go reroll like nuts

[proper furnace]

Just roll, you already have the ME setup

[plain river]

Ideally you hit hyper sprint -> rush delivery

[glacial sonnet]

lol purple +3 dash

[plain river]

Or greatest reflex

Take greatest reflex

purple greatest reflex is almost a crime to pass up

[proper furnace]

Purple dashes gud

[plain river]

Tbf thougg

How would swift strike affect dash strikes

Bow is the only one where it would make sense for it do actually change anything but that’s just not how the game is coded

I think

Because otherwise they just sort of come out

Maybe the hidden weaps becsuse their dash strikes are like deliberately slower

Just a tinsy thought experiment

[plain river]

Does attack speed work like +10% attacks per second or 90% seconds per attack

[proper furnace]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I just parrot information really

[south sonnet]

dashless

[plain river]

Not a huge difference until 30% and 40%

[glacial sonnet]

greedy time
i pick charons keepsake in case i get to buy jerky

do jerkies stack

[plain river]

Do you think speedcord or moddingcord is more likely to have an answer

cuz modding cord looks at game code doesn’t it

[glacial sonnet]

nvm im keeping the acorn since its not on the well

[proper furnace]

I'd say speedcord

[proper furnace]

You only want like ichors for ME

Nail of talos is kinda neat but
A) expensive
B) breaching cross exists

[plain river]

Just noticed a datamining channel in speedcord

Modcord

Whoops

Think that may be my best bet

[proper furnace]

Fwiw most of the people that I remember that look at the code are also in speedcord lol

[glacial sonnet]

purple quick favor, or fate reroll?

500 hermes boon on sale

[proper furnace]

Not much to get now, is this your 2nd or 3rd hermes

[glacial sonnet]

2nd

could get movespeed or RD though i dont have any speed buffs so

hyper sprint at most

i have dio call

[proper furnace]

Hyper sprint or at worst greater haste into rd can work

Second wind would be neat if you just want more dodge

[glacial sonnet]

greater evasion

can roll the boon gacha one last time...

[proper furnace]

Do what you feel like tbh

Dodge is nice or gamble your heart away

[glacial sonnet]

lol rolled purple second wind

gacha good

[proper furnace]

And tbf is not like getting rd will be easy with both the call boons in the pool

Lol

[glacial sonnet]

yooo ares offers dire misfortune or impending doom

can only grab one though

[proper furnace]

Impending by far

Free dmg boost with ME

[glacial sonnet]

ok time to delete dades

[plain river]

Who made the github wiki?

I have a question for

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422743/1205951045352558672/26BA8517-1394-4550-BDBF-2EC2FC2F9727.jpg?ex=65da3c6e&is=65c7c76e&hm=a562cb180a0a76ed4c3b30ac1cc9550b03bab17b160bc32202cd64265851ec66&

How flurry shot has a clip size

[proper furnace]

@vagrant crane where did you find this wiki/do you know who's the creator

I remember you posted it first

[vagrant crane]

speedcord somewhere lol

[proper furnace]

Damn

At least now I know that there's a mini rant about ea there lmao

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751198390892888294/1205952540080873592/Screenshot_20240210-160428.png?ex=65da3dd3&is=65c7c8d3&hm=ce921a1edb77f507bdbca7f17cb3e7f930b3a4e699302893a81d4b4c71cfee9c&

[plain river]

Just found that too

[glacial sonnet]

ME go brr
aphro arthur sword for gigadades next?

aphro attack + unhealthy fixation is like, the go to for arthur right

[proper furnace]

I'd go for Aphro atk zeus call smair

I don't like fixation

[glacial sonnet]

wb athena attack bc giant swings

can just special once in a while to reapply aura and weaken maybe?

[proper furnace]

Giant baseball bat

I don't think you really need to double dip into defense

[glacial sonnet]

does the math for aura + weaken straight up gives 70% dmg reduction or are there math shenanigans

[proper furnace]

Dmg reduction is multiplicative

So not 70%

[south sonnet]

fixation messes with boss attacks

[glacial sonnet]

how so?

i thought canceling their attacks is good

[proper furnace]

Yeah but you can't control when fixation charm happens

Vs like aphro call/dad call

[plain river]

Now I’m searching for any more gems like that

[glacial sonnet]

hmm

if i shouldnt double dip defense wb artemis? even artemis attack?

[proper furnace]

15% of the time you'll send enemies to the other side of the underworld and the rest you are pretty much at base dmg

Maybe with shadow slash?

[glacial sonnet]

yeah her percentage is lower :/
oh yeah i love shadow slash on orthur

i mean idk maybe if i can get hunters mark

put arte on cast maybe

[proper furnace]

I mean, just try it

[glacial sonnet]

ayy

[proper furnace]

If it works it works

[plain river]

other thing you can do is like

deadly reversal to consistently crit

[proper furnace]

And I can't like, arthur crits do be fun

Let me get the lernie begone clip

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/751198390892888294/1007838513758212156/2022081222110201-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=65ab3042&is=6598bb42&hm=2e5440c76ad36c6dfc24c675fb12170d1cb287e44b41c19a4ae46eb6fa1f93e1&

Common pp crit pretty sure

[glacial sonnet]

deadly reversal crit?

[plain river]

nah it's pressure points

[plain river]

just checked, that's the only gem

[proper furnace]

The creator just reaaaaally hated ea lmao

[plain river]

every so often you see the stray sentence that's like

a tinge malicious but aside from that

I was hoping splitting headache or hoarding slash would have something similar

[plain river]

in most cases you need good / consistent sources of extra additive for artemis to be worth it

like Achilles and Hades spear

[proper furnace]

Oh yeah forgot to mention

You don't really go for aphro for weak lol

She has the highest %

[plain river]

otherwise most of the time it's better to just take aphrodite for her +%

and if the weapon has native crit you put artemis on some other core

like special or cast

for heart rend

or hunter dash just to get extra +%

[glacial sonnet]

how does the math on hoarding slash work
can it be worth it under 500 obol

[plain river]

it's not really worth it ever

you get a ton more value from just spending your obols

although

[glacial sonnet]

rip
ok breaching slash i guess
dont really use special much with arthur for the lunging hammer

(besides putting down aura)

[plain river]

even a run like this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1064415213476126750/IMG_2773.jpg?ex=65d2e66a&is=65c0716a&hm=439621ea761fdc70196b7e95e9836b2189979b9c7d9ed56514355b198c2683cc&=&format=webp&width=827&height=477

was super painful

would not recommend

[glacial sonnet]

alright alright
ok so for arthur what other gods to get after aphro
demeter good?

[plain river]

zeus

take his call

[glacial sonnet]

ok

[plain river]

this is a pretty good guide for all swords https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1073013107477192774/image.png?ex=65d67e54&is=65c40954&hm=a10c2529015d25ade204cefd10dcfa1285f0a979468205b5f970cd7f9a787653&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=496&height=477

[glacial sonnet]

purple swift strike on arthur good?

[plain river]

double nova has a bit more value on arthur though

[proper furnace]

Is funny at least

[glacial sonnet]

theres purple dodge or hyper sprint for more vanilla safety features

[plain river]

it makes the standing strike combo like way better

[glacial sonnet]

but speedy arthur tho

[plain river]

hyper sprint is a damage feature

[proper furnace]

I'd take swift strike if sprint wasn't there

[glacial sonnet]

ok no speedy arthur swing for now

definitely praying i can try that later

next up is athena
might have to force zeus later

divine dash ez

is there use for poseidon with arthur aspect?

[plain river]

splash dash

[proper furnace]

Sea storm arthur trust

[glacial sonnet]

oh nvm then already have athena dash

[plain river]

Or possibly the special

[proper furnace]

If not me trust thegamer

[plain river]

Kind of a get off me tool

[plain river]

Splash cast for Ea on drunken strike arthur

🧠

[eager flint]

arthur is probably the aspect you want people to get off you the least

[plain river]

Special takes so long that

I think if you drop it you will want the enemies off you

At least for the second it takes for arthur to swing

[eager flint]

I mean, why would you special if not for putting up the sacred ground

And at that point I'd be more scared of enemies getting out of my range than them hitting me tbh

[plain river]

With fo2 on by the time the special is down the enemies are in your face ready to hit you

yeah you have damage reduction but if you don’t have to use it

Don’t

[glacial sonnet]

are favor boons from chaos good? 16% for better boons

even if it is probably a bit late for picking in elysium too right

theres a maiming strike that -4hp every time i attack for 48% more attack damage

[proper furnace]

Is neat for duos/legendaries

[plain river]

I’ll take a favor boon over a lot of other options

[glacial sonnet]

Ok so even aphro Arthur still strains when trading hits with em4 dades
Whats another safe aspect for em dades maybe lucifer bombs?

[valid dagger]

Beowulf or Zeus

[glacial sonnet]

Ive done beo already for shield

[valid dagger]

You can do Hestia for Rail

[glacial sonnet]

Wb cast builds vs em4?

[proper furnace]

They work

Em4 alone isn't like the end of the world

[glacial sonnet]

Achilles crystal beams

[proper furnace]

But super dad snowballs hard with basically any pact

[valid dagger]

Unironically pretty good against em4

But heavy rng

[proper furnace]

Rama is also fun but B.balls/sneak will make you cry a bit harder than usual

[glacial sonnet]

Overtime superdad

Though i might try artemis bomb lucifer since i havent put any blood to hestia rail lul

[fringe summit]

Hi all,

Pretty new here. Anyone that can recommend a cool build for the Sword? I've mostly played with the Bow, Fist and Shield. I don't really know all the Boon combo's, so when i look for a build i mostly copy just some random thing from one of Haelian's vids 😛

[untold iris]

which sword?

actually do you have all weapons unlocked?

[fringe summit]

Ehm, i have Zag sword maxed out. The rest is pretty low leveled

[untold iris]

generally nemesis is considered zag sword but better

even level 1 nemesis

[fringe summit]

I could do with just a "meta" build, if there is one. Like, i'm used to build Zeus on Fists, due to the higher attack speed

[untold iris]

do you want to use nemesis or zag sword?

poseidon?

poseidon can do a cast build even at low level

[fringe summit]

I've just leveled Nemesis Sword to level 3*

[untold iris]

nemesis the most common build is aphrodite attack + artemis special

and then look for heart rend

you can do the reverse if that's how the boons get offered

[fringe summit]

Cool, something like that was what i was looking for 😄

[untold iris]

artemis attack + aphro special

but its slightly worse than aphro attack I think

[fringe summit]

So better to start with Aphro boon?

[plain river]

Yes

[untold iris]

if you have artemis attack you really want something else that boosts damage such as chaos dash strike

best hammer to find is double edge

everything else is a lot worse

[plain river]

Hermes boons are universal, so you want to take like hyper sprint -> rush delivery

Or greatest reflex

[fringe summit]

Rip my Hammer

[untold iris]

extra dash is also very good since your primary dps on sword is dash strike

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1073013107477192774/image.png?ex=65d67e54&is=65c40954&hm=a10c2529015d25ade204cefd10dcfa1285f0a979468205b5f970cd7f9a787653&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=496&height=477

[untold iris]

the regular sword combo is kind of meh

[plain river]

Boy am I getting a lot of mileage out of this today

[fringe summit]

Piercing Wave, Flurry Slash, Cursed Slash 😦

[plain river]

P wave is by far the best

2nd best sword hammer

Flurry and cursed are both actively hurting you for little to no benefit

[plain river]

Greatest reflex is extra dashes

[fringe summit]

Ok, so far not bad

Aphro attack and now Artemis room

[plain river]

if you don’t see artemis special but do see hunter dash

Take hunter dash

[fringe summit]

Alright

[plain river]

more +% is always welcome

[fringe summit]

Epic Artemis Special 😄

[untold iris]

whats wrong with flurry?

[fringe summit]

So, for Chaos. Focus on +Attack% or +Special% if possible?

[plain river]

Same downside as all flurry hammers but no upside

[untold iris]

which is?

[plain river]

messes with dash striking

[untold iris]

as in it makes you dash strike in the wrong direction?

or something?

[plain river]

No

[untold iris]

+attack

the typical sword combo is special -> dash strike twice -> repeat

[plain river]

You’ll dash strike without meaning to or immediately strike after dash striking both of which mess your iframes

[untold iris]

if you have more dashes you can dash strike more than twice

[plain river]

Or you can save those extra dashes for defensive use

[untold iris]

yep

[plain river]

If you get extra dashes that’s typically what you keep at least one back for

[fringe summit]

Support Fire any good in this one?

[plain river]

eh

What are your other options

Support fire is almost never the answer

just in general

[fringe summit]

Ah ok

[untold iris]

support fire isn't terrible on fast hitting weapons imo
its not great on sword

but i dont mind it on something like rail or zeus shield if it shows up

[plain river]

It’s like zeus strike if zeus strike was bad. Less damage, no synergies, and time of flight

[untold iris]

but if i already have zeus strike its a second zeus strike

[plain river]

typically you have better options from an artemis boon

a second, worse lightning strike

Did I mention it has worse internal cooldowns?

[untold iris]

whats the internal cooldown on it?

[plain river]

Zeus strike can prok every .15s but support fire is like .2

[untold iris]

im actually curious

oh ok

still free damage on a fast hitting weapon
not a priority but its not nothing

[plain river]

even on a fast hitting weapon

Ideally you can nab like pressure points then hunters mark

Support fire is actually good there if you’ve been forced into enough artemis boons

1 more thing to crit and then cause a hunters mark chain

[untold iris]

can also build call more quickly

[plain river]

👍

[untold iris]

not that you have too much issue building call on fast weapons

but its another multi-hitting thing that builds call

[plain river]

faster calling is always nice

even with bad calls it’s free iframes

[fringe summit]

Flurry Slash, Hoarding Slash or Shadow Slash?

[viral geode]

Shadow slash definitely

[proper furnace]

Shadow/hoarding do the same if this nem

[plain river]

Tbh

Hoarding slash

Shadow slash doesn’t add damage to dash strikes

[untold iris]

do we have extra dash strike damage?

if we dont i wonder if its actually good to randomly weave in single standing attacks

if you have shadow slash

[viral geode]

Fair, though it doesn't matter too much

Neither have a noticeable effect

[plain river]

Yeah but one

Has an effect that will actually impact your average gameplay

As small as it is

[viral geode]

Hmm how much does nectar raise duo odds?

About 10% I think?

[proper furnace]

+10%

[fringe summit]

I'm definitely not used to playing with Sword. The sword/shield duded in Elysium are annoying as hell now 😛

[untold iris]

sword dude is just a regular enemy

shield dudes are notoriously awkward to deal with...

not just for sword

for a lot of weapons

[fringe summit]

It's more that i can't chain attack them. The time between my full combo is just enough to let them weave an attack in

Not used to that

But that's more because i barely play Sword

[plain river]

When you say full combo

wdym

[untold iris]

dont use the standing combo on sword

its horrible

[fringe summit]

Oh

[untold iris]

if you want you can weave in one standing hit sometimes

[fringe summit]

I'm just doing 1 Special than a full normal attack combo

[untold iris]

but usually you just want to exclusively dash strike

[fringe summit]

Aah

[plain river]

Ideally you just dash strike x 2 and then special

[untold iris]

special -> dash strike x2 -> repeat

[plain river]

rinse repeat

[untold iris]

is the typical pattern

[fringe summit]

Well, that was my run. God damnit

[untold iris]

the third standing hit is especially awful

not only is the thrust kind of slow but it also pushes enemies away

[plain river]

Dw about it

[fringe summit]

Haha nah it's all good. I know i suck with Sword, that's why i wanna get better with it

[plain river]

I know I suck with sword, that’s wht I play bow

[fringe summit]

🤣

Ngl, Bow is my go-to

[untold iris]

sword is just hard

[plain river]

Btw that isn’t my actually philosophy, I’ve been grinding out spear recently because it’s my worst weapon

[fringe summit]

And if i really wanna turn off my brain i go Merciful End with Fists

[untold iris]

are you playing spear modded or unmodded?

[fringe summit]

Literally the only boon route that was printed in my brain

[plain river]

As a switch gamer

[untold iris]

i think modded spear is kind of different from unmodded since you can force flurry

which totally changes the game

[plain river]

I play unmodded because I don’t want to jailbreak my switch

It’s ~fine

[untold iris]

i really like hades spear even though its not as good

also no flurry means the delta between good and bad hammers isnt as big

[plain river]

I like Hades spear for the +150% on my charged explosive

achillles for flurry / serrated shenanigans

And zag for the option to do either

[untold iris]

i just like big spin

[plain river]

and gy for being explosive charged skewer w/ one hammer

and better aoe

[analog mauve]

surely

[untold iris]

sword is definitely my worst weapon

especially arthur

[plain river]

Well you would think sword would be my worst but I have a 32 heat clear or 2 with sword and not with spear

For some reason that made me remember that for the longest time my fastest fists clear was heavy knuckle talos

[untold iris]

when i did 32 all aspects my arthur clear was so bad

[fringe summit]

So, is +Dash-Strike% from Chaos any good in this case? Or still rather go +Attack%?

[untold iris]

iirc I took AP1 and just played until I high rolled

since i couldnt beat 32 arthur with FO

[plain river]

+% dash strike should usually be a higher number if both sre the same rarity

[untold iris]

just pick the higher number

[plain river]

if strike is higher then dash strike, take it unless it’s a worse curse

[untold iris]

unless the higher number has a terrible drawback

-hp on attack or special is pretty bad

especially attack

[plain river]

Strike vs dash strike +% is literally those 2 factors: raw numbers / curse

[untold iris]

anything else is manageable

[plain river]

Veiled sucks

Or enshrouded

What’s it called

Especially early game

[vagrant crane]

enshrouded

[plain river]

paupers can also be pretty bad early game

[vagrant crane]

eh

can be minorly annoying but its still not that bad

[plain river]

and js4 for 3-4 rooms is just annoying

[untold iris]

like if you're playing a dash strike weapon and you see enshrouded for +dash strike, you take it right?

i would click

[plain river]

Depends on the weapon and my other options

[proper furnace]

Depends where on the biome tbh

[plain river]

and where I am in the game

[untold iris]

whereas I wouldnt click +dash strike for -hp on attack

[plain river]

For tart, start of run is like

way crucial for getting your build together

And you can’t do that if you can’t see what you’re taking

[untold iris]

what if you're playing blindfolded? :^)

[plain river]

Then you install the blind mod

unless you’re on console

[untold iris]

just a funny comment because in haelian's blindfolded clear he got +dash strike damage for enshrouded

literally zero downside

since he cant see what room he's taking anyways

[plain river]

The other arguement could be “well it’s tart anyways, I can just reset if it’s bad” ig

[fringe summit]

So, i have the habit of just spamming dash + attack in this game. Is there any reason why you would just special and then dash strike twice? Cause i'm having a hard time controlling the amount of spamming i do 🤣

[plain river]

It’s just the best way to do dps for sword

[untold iris]

well you want to use special on nemesis

since it makes your attacks do more damage

[plain river]

regardless of aspect

[untold iris]

also special does more damage than standing attack

so when your dash is on cooldown might as well press it once

[plain river]

dash striking is your fastest damage option

And you can enter special straight from a dashstrike

[untold iris]

most dash strike focused weapons have an attack pattern where you press dash strike whenever possible and then do whatever your next best attack is when waiting on dash cooldown

for sword that extra button just happens to be special most of the time

for fists a lot of the time that button is dupper

[plain river]

for most weapons it’s special

for bow it’s just another dash strike

Since your dash strike takes long enough to recharge

Shield is more of dashstrike -> charged shot repeat

[fringe summit]

Great, that's clarify's it. Thanks

I'm focussing a bit more on the combo. I'm a bit slower ofcourse, but i can see the damage increase

[rocky arrow]

Does the 4 god limit only apply to core boons? So like if I get Athena special, Demeter aid, and strong drink, Dionysus won’t count toward the 4 god limit

[untold iris]

no

[south sonnet]

its everything

[untold iris]

it applies to any boon from one of the 8 main gods

hermes and chaos dont count

[south sonnet]

cores do not interfere with pool

[untold iris]

the other 8 gods all enter your pool as soon as you pick one boon from them

regardless of which boon it is or if you sell it later on

[plain river]

Applies to any god you have taken any boon from (aside from Hermes and Chaos because they’re seperate)

[rocky arrow]

Ok

[rocky arrow]

Mirage shot works on Hera right?

[untold iris]

yes

its bugged on hera + dio cast (in your favor) specifically

otherwise it works normally (+30% damage multiplicative)

[rocky arrow]

How? Like beo?

[untold iris]

yes

+100% damage multiplicative

if you have dio cast on hera

mirage shot is specifically bugged on flares

and dio cast on hera becomes trippy flare

[rocky arrow]

Pog

[untold iris]

its pretty inconsistent though

to make dio cast best you want artemis poseidon dio in your god pool, plus extra cast stones from somewhere

thats a lot of requirements but the high roll is super good

sort of like an even more specific ME build

[rocky arrow]

Yeah

[proper furnace]

hera dio will also be weaker than beo dio btw

cuz no funny pom bug

[rocky arrow]

😦

[proper furnace]

trippy flare is so weird

and iirc it only crits x2

[plain river]

Yeah, if you take a look, you’ll notice that on hera

It’s trippy flare

Instead of trippy shot

Ie.

A beo flare

Hence why mirage is bugged for it

[valid dagger]

Not the pom bug tho sadge

[lean hornet]

I’m on a run and got C8 ME

Then dash on c10

Lucky

[fervent root]

So, Chaos Shield, any build suggestions?

[vagrant crane]

get cshot

play another aspect

idk

it sucks

[fervent root]

c-shot? Sorry, I don’t recall, my apologies.

[vagrant crane]

charged sho

[fervent root]

Okay.

[fervent root]

Love too! But I’m kinda trying to clear every aspect ONCE.

[vagrant crane]

splash dash

fds

[tight basin]

if you've cleared with zag shield, just do the same thing on chaos lmao

[dapper harness]

Ignore it's gimmick

just use the attk and hope for charged shot(hammer)

[untold iris]

chaos shield is just zag shield but less damage

[dapper harness]

yes

[untold iris]

if you really want to you can do something like put hangover on special

and then do point blank special to stack it

but your primary damage is still going to just be attacks

[fervent root]

Ok.

[fervent root]

Well that’s good to know!

[glacial sonnet]

Tfw chaos aspect per flying shield hits for 15dmg but beo can just chuck for 45dmg per hit no conditions no tblood

[untold iris]

im pretty sure beo shield special was nerfed at some point

maybe it was charged flight that was nerfed

[vagrant crane]

it was cflight

[untold iris]

regardless, there was an older patch where special spam on beo was actually cool

[plain river]

Tfw when chaos shield exists

[crude oriole]

they should have made chaos shield more chaotic

like, make it deal random damage or something. or mess with your boon stats. deal damage to yourself sometimes

i realize they didn't because that would make it unusable for low lvl play

and high lvl play

[errant narwhal]

theres enough rng in the game LOL but i see what youre getting at

[plain river]

I mean

Back when it had a more

Spreadout spread

It was actually good

[errant narwhal]

also there used to be a bug sometime in EA where the shield would damage you on return

[crude oriole]

i remember that bug... well i wasn't there, i remember them talking about it in the noclip documentary i think

sounds... frustrating, actually

[crude oriole]

so they nerfed it and now it's no longer useful at all?

[plain river]

Iirc

It was outstanding before

Got a bit of a rework to how the shields show out

Instead of a star around you it became a cone

And boom tanked usability

[errant narwhal]

chaos shield had the max heat WR back when it was 57

it was routed which caused some divide but im glad today all kinds of runs are accepted

[uneven sand]

any good builds for zeus? (the god, not the sheild)

[glacial sonnet]

breaking wave doesnt work on bosses right

[plain river]

It does

But

You need to get them up against a wall

[plain river]

Any fast hitting weapon with zeus on the fast hit and static discharge

find aphrodite and put it on your whichever is open still from attack/special and then either find zeus or dio call

[plain river]

Mind you, aspect of demeter and aspect of chiron’s specials don’t count here

[glacial sonnet]

ok im at styx shop
do i get razor shoals or wave pounding
id probably get wave pounding if its easier to trigger since i have lucifer triple bomb with poseidon special (cant get artemis special )

im guessing bosses dont get knockback but can still get the bonus dmg or smth if the conditions are right?

20 dmg every 0.2 seconds * 3
vs 40% of my special and dash dmg (idk dash is like 90)

[plain river]

No they still knockback bosses

it’s just

[glacial sonnet]

oh

[plain river]

Like 1-10% of the knockback

[glacial sonnet]

i get wave pounding maybe?

[plain river]

Some stupid low amount

But you do see clips every so often of someone hitting Hades against a wall with dem special

and breaking wave

And him absolutely getting phased

[glacial sonnet]

"boons with knock-away effects" just means any poseidon boon with knockback right?

so basically i get 40% buff to my poseidon dash and special?

[plain river]

👍

[glacial sonnet]

alright then

satan gun vs superdad

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1205757763569848390/1206174351540486174/20240211164558_1.jpg?ex=65db0c67&is=65c89767&hm=b350b9505fdaf6f78c134547c78f04fa4467ac06b9b5803e70e7ece3135c718c&=&format=webp&width=1214&height=683

how do the maths work on these

[plain river]

Additively

Your special is doing like +300% or smthing rn

[glacial sonnet]

318% base damage of the bomb

[uneven sand]

so malphon with zeus attack and static discharge?

[glacial sonnet]

smonk time
i have hydraulic might too

[plain river]

Yeah

[uneven sand]

does stygius count?

[plain river]

yea

It’s certainly not the best option but it definitely isn’t the worst

[glacial sonnet]

is artemis attack on zag bow good? does the critical chance add up?

or for that matter on nemesis sword

also the wording for zag bow seems to imply it only adds the crit chance on attack?

ik nemesis explicitly spells it out (does it give crits for dash strike tho?)

ok it does give crits to dashstrike

doing specials on skelly with zag bow doesnt seem to ever crit though so probably not, just attack

[plain river]

Crit chance adds

[plain river]

Yeah because nem and zag bow literally state they only affect strikes

dash strikes are still strikes

Hammers are the only cases where strikes and dash strikes really get differentiated

[glacial sonnet]

ooh time to try zag bow with flurry strike

[plain river]

@glacial sonnet even this is very subjective by hammer

Shadow slash is worded like identically to breaching slash but breaching affects dash strikes and shadow doesn’t

most of the other cases where strike hammers don’t affect dash strikes is when the strike hammer changes something about how the base attack fundementally works

That doesn’t apply to the dash strike

like triple jab and spear dash strikes

Or world splitter

[glacial sonnet]

yuh got flurry artemis attack and hunting blades by the end of tart

oh man
realied i have demeter on
could have gone for memebeam

[fringe summit]

Why does it always feel that when you just start a run and you aim for a certain God Attack... When you don't get the Attack on the first boon, it feels like you could reroll it another 900 times but you're just not gonna see the Attack boon in that case

[fervent root]

I will do a Chaos build another day I guess.

[crude oriole]

i think that happens when the game hates you

[dapper harness]

bad luck

[fringe summit]

Does Chtonic Coin Purse only work when you are starting a new run?

[crude oriole]

should also work when you switch inbetween regions

[plain river]

Works whenever you take it

If you have a pauper boon from Chaos though

no obols is no obols

[fringe summit]

Hmm, i've just picked it before going in to the temple, and didn't seem like i got the 150 but maybe ive just missed it

[eager flint]

maybe you just had a pauper curse

[glacial sonnet]

ok hera aphrodite time
do i need the faster drop time with it

[eager flint]

wdym

the level up or the hermes boon ?

[glacial sonnet]

tblood level for the hera bow

[eager flint]

it's mostly for bosses

you one shot common enemies

so it's your call tbh

it's nice but not necessary

[glacial sonnet]

how do i tell if i did a dash strike with bow instead of dashing + normal attack?

sometimes i press attack only after dashing

[eager flint]

depends on whether you die of old age before getting your shot

[glacial sonnet]

also the hunter dash i got last time was like what +50% dmg

[eager flint]

dash strike is much faster, you'll know the difference

[glacial sonnet]

feels like even with rama i rarely get time to get a powershot drawn with dashstrike before exalted dudes hug my face

[eager flint]

kinda normal tbh

good news is rama is so BEEFY you don't really need a powershot to kill everything

also I'd recommend watching some videos of other people running Rama if you want to learn it

ofc if you look at top speedrunner or 50 heat it's not gonna be your experience

but like the core gameplay stays relatively similar

[glacial sonnet]

hmm ima do hades spear first before trying to fight superdad with herabow
i hear artemis attack on hades is good bc you have on demand +150% buff?

or if i stick aphro attack on it does it add additively or like multiplicative damage buffs there

[plain river]

everything aside from crits are additive damage bonuses

*aside from base damage increases as well

(base damage) * (all additive +%) * crit damage

[eager flint]

yeah artemis pairs well with hades spear

I think it might even be the best build to go explosive launcher + charged skewer with artemis special and heart rend ? Either that or ME. Probably ME.

[plain river]

It’s the skewer

ME has to deal with the issue of Hades spear’s only dash strike hammer being serrated

[proper furnace]

For heat you go for skewer right

[eager flint]

I think yeah

I did 32 on serrated though. First try, after struggling a lot with special

But that's a sample of like 4 runs

[plain river]

Yeah

Safety in range

[glacial sonnet]

serrated point on hades spear? 👀

[analog mauve]

its good

[errant narwhal]

Is serrated point the one that reduces your dash?

[analog mauve]

yea

[errant narwhal]

I like that one

It’s just that I really don’t play spear anymore

[eager flint]

I wish the reduced dash was only on dash strikes

I guess you could try to delay your dash strike to still get it with more than 75% of your dash, but at that point you're already paying the price by delaying it

[glacial sonnet]

zeus call range is pretty small huh

esp with smair do i just pop it whenever i close in

[proper furnace]

Yeah, can also use the iframes from it to dodge

[glacial sonnet]

oh non full calls still give iframe?

[proper furnace]

Yeah