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#h1-builds-and-combat
limber fjord
tight basin
guan yu isn't bad it's just kinda niche-ish
limber fjord
It is an aspect
tight basin
needs charged skewer to be good
proper furnace
get charged skewer and is chill
tight basin
get charged skewer and it's one of the safest aspects in the game
limber fjord
You also need 12 blood at least
keen vortex
but me HEALTH lol
tight basin
or you can be baller and do whatever the hell aether did for the 60 heat clear
limber fjord
I played it once at - 70% and it was the most awful experience ever
keen vortex
glad im not in the minority there
tight basin
nice rta time save
keen vortex
its almost a shame
i feel like the final aspects of the weapons all have this aura about em
like they’re the last unlocks so they should be GREAT, right? And obviously some of em are
tight basin
the only big stinkers are arthur and gilga
proper furnace
I don't think I've ever timed a bubble as well as tht lmao
keen vortex
the only big stinkers are arthur and gilga
wait wait wait
limber fjord
I think the hidden aspects require more skill to use
keen vortex
gilgas bad?
tight basin
luci is like the same as other rails except triple bomb is clockets with 1 hammer
yeah
proper furnace
that's the wonder of hades
tight basin
i mean like i've stated earlier, a lot of things can work lmao
proper furnace
everything is fine as long as you don't turn up the heat too much
limber fjord
Is the problem with gilga that heavy knuckle nerfs fists and gilga has heavy knuckle by base 
keen vortex
it has poor mans doom by default, dps can go crazy, dont even get me started on the dashes
tight basin
Is the problem with gilga that heavy knuckle nerfs fists and gilga has heavy knu...
lowkey yeah kinda lmao
that's a pretty good way of putting it
the dash strikes have a weird delay on them too
shorter dashes
proper furnace
longer cooldown
limber fjord
Shorter dashes???
tight basin
yeah
limber fjord
Mega unplayable
proper furnace
yup
tight basin
slightly shorter dashes but you get more
limber fjord
Idc
proper furnace
iirc the shorter dashes are needed for the "hold spacebar to use all dashes" lmao
or at least it looks weird with normal dashes
limber fjord
I guess it's an excuse to use ruthless reflec or whatever it's called
keen vortex
i mean i think its pretty good
i tend to focus on crit and hangover with it and have a great time
tight basin
for speed, gilga is just worse because of the dash cooldown and weird dash strikes, but at a certain point it becomes on par with other fists more or less
for heat, the shorter dashes really kicks you in the ass. along with maim making enemies one shot you basically lmao
limber fjord
Demeter is definitely the funniest fist aspect
limber fjord
Charged launcher blasting for like 3k a volley is very funny
keen vortex
Demeter is definitely the funniest fist aspect
that used to be my preferred until i got gilga
proper furnace
sad thing about fists speed is the tiers is basically
"how much work can it do before ME"
or also the talos moment of
"this thing has so much tech only to still fall off short of dem"
tight basin
"this thing has so much tech only to still fall off short of dem"
i wanna add to emphasize that the guy who mains talos said this lmao
tight basin
ME fists feels mega bad until me
imo it's not as bad if you're on dem fists, but anything else then it just sucks
maybe nem too since crit
but god my run last night didn't get ME until after the bull miniboss and it was such a drag
limber fjord
I remember fighting heroes with no me
tight basin
i didn't have dem fists, i was on zag fists for some reason
keen vortex
pardon me for not knowing abbreviations whats ME
tight basin
so i had no dps and it just sucked
limber fjord
Hit it in styx
tight basin
merciful end
keen vortex
ah
tight basin
strongest duo in the game arguably
limber fjord
One of the only saving graces for fists lmao
tight basin
zap fists are still strong
keen vortex
merciful end
oh THAT one
limber fjord
True enough, considering that's all i use
tight basin
lmao exactly
i wanted to do zap fists last night but my lightning strike got vorimed and i somehow ended up with ME
proper furnace
ME is sad cuz it's such a pain to run
but also is like your only real option
for full meta I mean
limber fjord
Surely
tight basin
would be nice
proper furnace
I wonder how faster fists would be with that
tight basin
when hades 2 comes out we gotta keep quite about the broken stuff
limber fjord
Surely this will not have unintended consequences
proper furnace
we should get divine dash as pre req back
or at least phalanx
keen vortex
ME is sad cuz it's such a pain to run
I mean i feel like a lot of duos can be depending on how long it takes to GET them
limber fjord
Nah me is different
proper furnace
the thing is that most duos aren't make or break
tight basin
ME is one of the few duos in the game where if you dont get it then the build is bad
limber fjord
You basically don't have good damage until me
tight basin
the only other one is crystal clarity tbh
proper furnace
and even then ME w/o dash vs with dash is a world of difference
limber fjord
Playing ely with no me will add minutes to your clock
tight basin
mirage on beo also depends on the heat level you're doing because like low heat just flood is fine, but if you're doing like 40+ heat with only flood then your time is gonna suck
uneven rivet
Does anyone know a good build I could do with Stygius and the aspect of Arthur? I recently unlocked that aspect
tight basin
aphrodite attack
proper furnace
aphro attack
tight basin
and that's more or less it
proper furnace
add zeus call if you feel fancy
limber fjord
ARTE ATTACK
uneven rivet
Heard
limber fjord
Get that crit dopamine
uneven rivet
tight basin
artemis atk is cursed in the sense that 85% of the time you wont deal good damage
and 15% of the time you'll overkill something lmao
proper furnace
is fine just get routed lvl chaos
tight basin
true
limber fjord
Yup
proper furnace
funny enough even if you go arte you can still say
"also add zeus"
this god can fit in so many builds
limber fjord
Smair is a boon of all time
tight basin
aspect of rod
limber fjord
Am i sleeping on phalanx shot
proper furnace
is a good filler pick
big dmg, opens dd boons for heat
can't complain with reflect
tight basin
phalanx shot does slightly less damage than crush shot
has a bigger radius and goes farther
limber fjord
I tend to not care about casts unless im playing a cast build
keen vortex
this god can fit in so many builds
gimme a car dealer meme
tight basin
it's good filler if you feel like it
open duos, fill core slot, open DDs
why not lmao
you keep boiling blood
limber fjord
Yeah i mostly use casts to open duo and proc boiling
proper furnace
I tend to not care about casts unless im playing a cast build
Fair tbh
Is not like you go out of your way to take phalanx
tight basin
gimme a car dealer meme
i mean tbf a good chunk of gods can fit into a lot of builds
keen vortex
maybe im crazy but there are some times id just rather have the normal cast over a boon one
limber fjord
Lightning shot moment
keen vortex
like zeus, why would i want it to bounce, i want it to go into ONE guy
limber fjord
Also relevant for non lodging casts
proper furnace
Also jolted moment
tight basin
aphrodite is favored for a lot of attacks/specials, same with artemis but a bit more situational
zeus and dio picked a lot since their calls are just good
zeus builds also want a lot more supporting zeus boons so you kinda just naturally need more from him
everyone loves athena dash
and opens up DDs so why not
tidal dash is great
proper furnace
everyone loves athena dash
As someone with over 10-
proper furnace
realization when most players won't get divine dash copypasta now
times have changed
limber fjord
Ddash is semi safe during dash strikes right?
keen vortex
If i had a nickel for every time my zeus cast bounced OUT of hades during the boss battle, i’d probably have enough money to buy hades on a third platform
tight basin
oh bruh i dont think my 40 beo is recorded
proper furnace
Ddash is semi safe during dash strikes right?
if you deflect the atk yeah
keen vortex
also does EM3 change the arena?
proper furnace
nah
limber fjord
No, but don't be fooled
keen vortex
oh thank gods
limber fjord
The fight gains uh
proper furnace
if you haven't tried it don't be spoiled
limber fjord
New mechanics
proper furnace
em3 is so funny for first timers
keen vortex
yeah, ive seen the… premise, but not made it there myself yet
limber fjord
Sgg cooked with em3 tbh
tight basin
def funny
keen vortex
To make it worse i just got the pact thing from poseidon
why did he give me that by the way
proper furnace
em3 and 4 are chef kiss
limber fjord
Oh bollocks
tight basin
@proper furnace flood or trippy beo for sub1 em4 fight
limber fjord
*why did he give me that by the way*
Greek myth thesus messed around with poseidon i think?
proper furnace
<@676221149134323721> flood or trippy beo for sub1 em4 fight
phalanx just flood
tight basin
alright cool
i hope the seed is decent but not too decent
prob gonna do it modded since cshot kinda important
keen vortex
I lowkey wish all levels of EM had soundtrack differences like EM4
keen vortex
speaking of EM
I’m super grateful that it only affects the bosses, but i wish the heat itself was lower per level so i could justify doing them earlier
if that makes sense
proper furnace
I get what you mean but you also could just use them asap
Bounties will eventually catch up with your heat level
keen vortex
if i do a higher level, i can still get the rewards for the lower ones if i go backwards, right?
not knowing that is the main reason i never went further than what the game tells me to
proper furnace
If you clear higher than what's needed to refresh bounties the game will give bounties for the lowest heat
tight basin
if your bounty is at 3 heat and you beat 6 heat, the next bounty is gonna be 4
and you can still use the same 6 heat pact
proper furnace
So like need 2 heat but use 5
Game will give bounties for 2
keen vortex
oh
thats weird ngl
proper furnace
Then what bananas said yeah
The only one you can skip is 0 heat
Which if you did the game will tell you when you cap bounties (20 heat)
keen vortex
so if i WANTED i could just always have EM4 and constantly reap the rewards until that isnt enough heat?
tight basin
yeah
keen vortex
might have to do that
cuz i wanna do EM3 and i havent yet
mostly to see what yall were talking about earlier
tight basin
it do be funky
but yeah you can just turn up the heat level to whatever you want and still meet bounties as long as it meets it or is higher
when i did 40 heat rail, i was still getting bounties lmao
even tho bounties cap at 20
proper furnace
My first 32 heat fists run finished my bounties lmao
south sonnet
my first 32 run got bounties for 11 heat
tight basin
no rd :(
keen vortex
Hey, out of curiosity, does chaos count towards family favorite for a max of 30%?
tight basin
no
tight basin
it do be like that
plain river
My trusty gilga failed lol
That is literally the trusted gilga experience 
polar python
My first 32 heat fists run finished my bounties lmao
On one of my saves I did a 32 heat run for my 10th escape, and yes, you can exploit the heck out of that.
gloomy canyon
Jumping back into hades. Can I get yalls favorite meme builds?
valid dagger
Jumping back into hades. Can I get yalls favorite meme builds?
Guan Yu with Quick Spin and Tempest Strike into Sea Storm
limber fjord
sea storm is generally a funny meme
gloomy canyon
sea storm is generally a funny meme
Why? I unironically like sea storm lol
limber fjord
it's... usually inferior to just getting zeus boons instead
i can see the case for getting it alongside tidal dash but that isn't really a build.
tight basin
sea storm is a support duo that you dont really aim for unless you dont have anything better to do lmao
since tidal dash doesn't open up sea storm, you're forced to take flood shot or his call, both of which aren't bad but aren't good either
and then you'd have to have zeus in some other core, probably attack or call generally
and at that point then maybe it's worth getting sea storm lmao
gloomy canyon
I mean this is also coming from someone who mains eris rail, so I open up sea storm a lot lol
proper furnace
I haven't opened sea storm in eris in months
tight basin
I mean this is also coming from someone who mains eris rail, so I open up sea st...
i mean eris doesn't really want pos special, cast, or call lmao
i guess the cast is fine
but there's better poseidon and zeus boons to aim for other than their duo
razor shoals, breaking wave, static discharge
gloomy canyon
I usually go sea storm around end game if I'm not sure what else to grab, but when I get it, I like it
This implies rng gives it to me, of course
Usually it opens after I grab cast
south sonnet
Jumping back into hades. Can I get yalls favorite meme builds?
stygian shard, stygian shard, and athena's aid
the plan is to never attack and just kill enemies by deflecting/traps
acoustic magnet
turns out i like guan yu now???
south sonnet
the real question is, attack or special
eager flint
if they like it, it's special
south sonnet
no spin is fun
acoustic magnet
the real question is, attack or special
attack :D
plain river
turns out i like guan yu now???
surreal venture
i feel like i wanna experiment and find the good builds on my own instead of being handed the meta
but i also want to not be miserable doing it and pick like the worst build ever
how do i go about doing that
any help, guys?
errant narwhal
just experiment and see what works for you and what doesnt, not every run has to be a win
use different keepsakes to just roll with what the game gives you or try different combinations you feel have potential synergy with god keepsakes
plain river
how do i go about doing that
any help, guys?
experiment a lot
use keepsakes to force builds you want to try out early
rather than suffer from rng
surreal venture
just experiment and see what works for you and what doesnt, not every run has to...
yeah ig i'm too afraid of trying the bad ones
plain river
yeah ig i'm too afraid of trying the bad ones
A few builds / aspects are certainly deceptive
where they work amazingly at low heat and then fall off hard or work regularly but suck at speed
errant narwhal
i have tried everything for the prophecy youll have to encounter some bad builds for the sake of it i guess
tight basin
i feel like i wanna experiment and find the good builds on my own instead of bei...
Flat damage on stuff that attacks fast but low base damage
% damage on stuff that attacks slow but high base damage
That's the main gists of how to make things not feel like crap lmao
After that it's a lot easier to experiment with stuff and feel things out
surreal venture
oh wow ty lol
sacred pulsar
parting shots is pretty bad right ? wouldnt it be better to sell it ?
tight basin
Yeah
There's only like 1 reason to use it lmao
Phalanx shot on Hera since the cast is fat enough that it'll always backstab
sacred pulsar
yeah its what i figured but i dont think theres a point of taking anything other than a duo boon when its offered no ? unless you get the boon you want
dapper harness
yea u usually aim for a specific boon
but If other boons are not good just take the duo and sell it later
or don't take the duo boon If it blocks you from taking the duo boon u want
tight basin
Duo boons are rolled before most support boons so you you could take it to better your odds
sacred pulsar
yeah
i still need to grasp which god works best with a nemesis sword
- i gotta stop doing the 2 hammers that are random for one of yours, its too rng
tight basin
Artemis and Aphrodite/Athena
sacred pulsar
Artemis and Aphrodite/Athena
and what should i focus with artemis ? Dash strike ? special ?
tight basin
attack/special
so like artemis attack and aphrodite/athena special
because you're aiming for their duos
you can do aphrodite attack and artemis special
but i wouldn't do athena attack artemis special
eager flint
nemesis has crit% on strikes after a special, so you should lean into strikes as your main damage because that bonus crit is huge
and standing strikes on sword suck, so you're meant to spam dash strikes instead
limber fjord
nem is like, what, 30% crit
eager flint
yeah
limber fjord
so heartrend is really good
eager flint
at lvl5
tight basin
heart rend and deadly reversal are great on nem
the only good crit duos
splitting headache doesnt exist
limber fjord
dio arte aphro rail is my favorite meme build
sacred pulsar
alright, i think i got a decent start then,
Artemis special
Artemis Marked thingy
Athena deflect
Double edge hammer
eager flint
when in doubt I always default to Arte/Aphro/Athena/Zeus
double edge is by far the best hammer on sword yeah
sacred pulsar
nothing, i had nothing proposed for attack at all lol
eager flint
RIP
sacred pulsar
dash deflect, no point of taking anything else imo
eager flint
well, hopefully you get an attack at some point 
limber fjord
or aphro attack
eager flint
artemis attack is right there
contrary to popular knowledge, you can actually get vorimed in the game if you don't have the mod
limber fjord
i got vorimed like 3 runs in a row
do you ever click reroll if you don't hit first boon
or is it a reset angle
analog mauve
speedrun modpack + first boon epic 
never turned them off
limber fjord
i might get the modpack after i beat 32 heat all weapons
analog mauve
get it after 50
analog mauve
thats what everone thinks
limber fjord
40 heat is my limit MAYBE.
turning on things like ap and ri are just really anti fun for me
analog mauve
when you do 40 you will think you could do 45 with slightly better rng
limber fjord
40 heat is toeing the line on being forced to turn on any number of unfun options
and considering i think lc4 is unfun
analog mauve
sacred pulsar
does poison count as a trap ?
proper furnace
nah
plain river
you can do aphrodite attack and artemis special
Aphro attack > artemis attack for damage consistency’s sake, otherwise you have to rely on chaos
real gamers use aphro attack, athena special + ddash and artemis cast
steel delta
Is there any situations where you would want to actually take a core boon from Demeter? Like it doesn't seem like you'd ever actually want to inflict chill over something like weak or hangover to me
tight basin
The only time would be like pstatus for passion Beowulf
Otherwise you'd never take her cores
Meme beams exists I guess
eager flint
it's ok as a cope
it's no one first choice but it's a solid 3rd choice most of the time
sacred pulsar
can you have more than 1 duo boon ?
sacred pulsar
okay thanks, just had bad rng i guess
on another run and just did my fastest tartarus pass, 3m16
alright nvm i crashed
hey, another question:
I currently use zeus aspect on shield and its somewhat underwhelming? i dont know why it doesnt feel useful compared to chaos aspect, maybe im wrong ?
Also, best god synergy for shield is zeus / poseidon or do I have it wrong ?
proper furnace
zeus is one of the best aspects overall
zeus special is correct yeah
poseidon nah
polar python
You just need more Zeus
sacred pulsar
hmm, i might try that out next run, cause I thought sea storm was what we were looking for on the shield
proper furnace
oh yeah that's gotta hurt
the thing about sea storm
is that is basically the same as just using the zeus boons in first place
except that now you need a duo to have that
so as a build is painful, better as a "might as well go for it"
but anyways the core of zeus shield is zeus special and then get static discharge
just pom the latter and you are set
then for spicing up the build add any other zeus boon
zeus call charges super fast with the constant hits, double strike and high voltage open the legendary
sacred pulsar
alright so i just get as much zeus as possible ? that simple ?
proper furnace
yup
proper furnace
you pretty much got the desired build lol
though you were doing poseidon special
more poms on static discharge would've been the main change
sacred pulsar
yeah i think i got very lucky but still, its a big point of hades...
I didnt have many poms throughout if im being honest, i think i got the most in styx
i cant wrap my head around how someone can have a sub 10 min pass let alone a sub 5 minute pass
makes no sense how you can go so fast
proper furnace
Sub 10 can be done quite easily with slight practice
Is matter of practice
And although some weapons are faster you can get it reliably with any aspect
tight basin
sub6 modded is still absolute gaming tbf
the amount of people who have sub6ed is like less than 50 for sure lmao
there's way more than 50 sub6 runs but a lot of them are from the same people lmao
plain river
sub6 modded is still absolute gaming tbf
I think you mean sub1*
Sub6 hours is like your average players first run
plain river
What are wallslam numbers?
wheat needle
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Whats a good Demeter build? I just did whatever this is with Demeter.
vagrant crane
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1172434955415060490/1195268167317082181...
you want a flat dmg atk
tight basin
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1172434955415060490/1195268167317082181...
your build is good lol
heart rend and mirage shot aren't important duos
but like you got offered so might as well
smair is the big duo
wheat needle
your build is good lol
So thats pretty much it? I feel like its kinda bad or idk how to play Demeter
tight basin
there's merciful end
but your build is stil good
oh ik why it sucks
you dont have static discharge
if you're doing zap fists, that's the one boon you need for damage lmao
static discharge wants all the poms basically
that and tidal dash
a few into zeus call
tight basin
pressure points
ocean finch
yea i was also thinkin that tbh
tight basin
support fire isn't bad but random crit is always fun
ocean finch
support fire feels like it maybe wouldnt be great for only 3 attacks every second and a half
36 extra damage is pretty good,, but a chance to do like a whopping slam is not bad
this fkn thing,,,,
plain river
support fire feels like it maybe wouldnt be great for only 3 attacks every secon...
It’s not great on higher attack speed weapkns anywyas
Being
Rail
and rail
tight basin
this fkn thing,,,,
piercing wave is good
still comes out when you dash strike so it's just a flat 30 damage boost lmao
not like insane or anything but there are worse hammers lmao
eager flint
isn't it the second best hammer after double edge ? Of course double edge is 5000 times better. But then again, it's dedge.
tight basin
yeah
depending when in elysium you get the 2nd hammer, i like breaching slash more
if it's late ely for the 2nd hammer for some reason then i'd favor piercing wave
ocean finch
breaching was one of my choices but wave was a prophecy so i took dat :3
wheat needle
there's merciful end
okay ty
Is Aphrodite cast or Poseidon cast better for Beowulf?
wheat needle
ohok
valid dagger
anyway uhh, fists build ideas?
Merciful End
ocean cliff
.-.
valid dagger
Start Deadly Flourish and reset for Explosive Upper
errant narwhal
I had a lot of fun with merciful end every time I played it tbh when you really get it going it’s absurd damage
But it’s very up to luck if it happens, and if it doesn’t the build is just ok
plain river
sounds fun.
Zeus strike with aphrodite special, grab more zeus boons (status discharge in particular), grab either zeus or dio on call and grab smouldering air if you see it
or replace zeus strike with dio strike and replace more zeus boons with tons of strike poms
ocean cliff
my last run was dio strike with big poms and aphro special
👁️
(got ares and aphro duos for dio)
ill try zeus tho 👍
limber fjord
can confirm that zeus fists slaps
you should definitely get demeter if you like fists though
charge shot hitting over 1k bursts is funny
sacred pulsar
the spear never works for me
its awful in my hands but i see a lot of great times with it, so it questions me
eager flint
exploding launcher + charging skewer
except on achilles
where it's flurry jab goes brrr
sacred pulsar
best aspect is achilles right
proper furnace
Ye
eager flint
I really wish zagspear and hadespear had Achilles special (without the buff, just throwing the special at a certain distance depending on charge, and dashing to it)
sacred pulsar
exploding launcher + charging skewer
okay so the spear is based on hammers a lot more than the other weapons?
like, if you dont have this core it wont work as well ?
eager flint
oh yeah
without it spear suuucks
well, you can always go Merciful End and be happy about it
But basically exploding launcher takes spear's special from "useless" to "useful" and charged skewer from "useful" to "really good"
sacred pulsar
okay i see, that might explain why ive never had any success with the spear
proper furnace
With achilles you can get away without flurry by doing cast builds at least
proper furnace
Hades can do serrated as kinda copium
sacred pulsar
i got like 5 runs in, and ive never had either charging skewer or exploding launcher
ill try again
proper furnace
Hidden spear is basically hades/zag but you only need charged skewer
limber fjord
spear has always been a statstick for me, quite literally
sacred pulsar
i hate the one where your attack is 3 spears spaced out i forgot the name
eager flint
except serrated, which is both trash and neat at the same time
limber fjord
triple jab
limber fjord
it's like not really a hammer
eager flint
what
why
Like it does nothing
but it's still all upsides, even if the upside is "once in a blue moon you'll deal like 50 damage to another enemy"
proper furnace
Triple jab is so sad
eager flint
yeah, especially when compared to triple shot on bow
limber fjord
at least it isn't that one where it cuts your dash range in exchange for a triple hit dash strike
proper furnace
That's serrated
limber fjord
it's probably better but it feels terrible
sacred pulsar
i dont even wanna pick these ones for the prophecy
proper furnace
And is kinda aight but-
limber fjord
oh i forgor name
proper furnace
Yeah that lmao
proper furnace
-dash distance is big ew
eager flint
why did SGG had to do the spear like that
like, compare double edge and serrated point
who among the devs hate spears this much
limber fjord
tbf DE is like sword's only good hammer as well
proper furnace
Hammers balance in general is kinda wacky
Damn rail/bow how come sgg lets you get ton of good hammera
limber fjord
right???
eager flint
~~tbf DE is like sword's only good hammer as well~~
don't make me bring out my world splitter build !
It's only there because I'm a hipster and don't wanna play ME
limber fjord
never sad seeing a hammer on gun or bow
proper furnace
Also fist best hammer is so boring
limber fjord
breaching cross?
limber fjord
fair
sacred pulsar
fist is the second weapon I find the most boring
limber fjord
but at least fist hammers are all decent imo
eager flint
fist has plenty of fun hammer. Not many good ones though
proper furnace
The special hammers can be fun
eager flint
I love them yeah
limber fjord
shield is uh
proper furnace
Shield also sad for hammers
proper furnace
Except the good ol Cshot/explosive
eager flint
it's like if spear didn't have exploding or charged skewer
proper furnace
You can fit cshot in any shield
eager flint
when half your moveset is useless, you're gonna have plenty of useless hammers
proper furnace
Is just that busted of a hammer
sacred pulsar
yeah ive had good runs (for me) without the best hammers
limber fjord
i consider reseting if i hit a bad hammer in tart on spear/sword
proper furnace
Beo main issue w/o hammer is fo2 aspho
sacred pulsar
how can you reset ? giving up doesnt reset the boons or the hammers right ?
sacred pulsar
okay thats what i was doing
proper furnace
Or use speedrun modpack to have instant resets
sacred pulsar
once ill have a pass with each weapon under 12 min ill dabble in modpacks i think
sacred pulsar
you play way faster than me damn
is 12 min unrealistic ? lol idk i got a 16min yesterday i feel like i can definetely go faster
limber fjord
well it's not unrealistic
proper furnace
Nah sub 12 even has a victory message still
"Hermes would be jealous"
Which also has priority so its annoying if you got the "robbed thanathos" too
proper furnace
Yup
sacred pulsar
i might have done that without realising
limber fjord
you play way faster than me damn
i'm just saying this cuz i hit an insane build and still only made 13:04
12 mins on all weapons (including spear and sword) sounds like it'd require some serious dedication
sacred pulsar
ohh got you, i mean, insane build + good enemies + free rooms might cut it
and not this garbage ass barge
im still exploring what i can or cant do before touching mods
limber fjord
i am settling on 32 heat all weaps before getting mods
proper furnace
For sub 13 you can just do practice and get ok build/rooms
sacred pulsar
oh yeah i could do heat too, i only have done 1 heat to understand bounties
so much to do
before hades 2
limber fjord
(wait when was bow my slowest weapon???)
sacred pulsar
why is that ? the rooms where you gotta survive 45s are not there right ?
limber fjord
you want td to block survival rooms
sacred pulsar
em2 is extreme measures right ? like the bosses have more attacks ?
limber fjord
yes
proper furnace
Em2 is bc the lernie arena is smaller
limber fjord
speeds up lernie significantly
analog mauve
you dont want td to not block survival rooms
limber fjord
is timer paused during survival?
proper furnace
Survival rooms stop timer
analog mauve
yeaa
limber fjord
o
sacred pulsar
ohhhhh
proper furnace
And fo2 is cuz enemies spawn faster/move faster
sacred pulsar
lernie with zeus shield + em2 would go fast
proper furnace
Makes aspho more of a pain sometimes but is worth
sacred pulsar
i see
sacred pulsar
fo2 is just 1 tick right ? base game is considered fo1 ?
limber fjord
2 ticks
sacred pulsar
okay
limber fjord
base is fo0
proper furnace
+20%/+40%
limber fjord
i heard fo is multiplicative with itself somewhere
proper furnace
Yeah
limber fjord
so fo2 is actually like 44% or some nonsense
proper furnace
Is like 44%~ in reality
proper furnace
lernie with zeus shield + em2 would go fast
Zeus shield uses ME for speedruns btw
But for sub 13 shouldn't matter
plain river
i'm just saying this cuz i hit an insane build and still only made 13:04
Frost I think you just have a skissue
limber fjord
Oh without a doubt
vagrant crane
get a vod review
plain river
Vod review would mean I need to capture switch gameplay
vagrant crane
@frost
limber fjord
i mean, i guess i could, but i'm usually not in an improving mindset playing games
plain river
i mean, i guess i could, but i'm usually not in an *improving* mindset playing g...
“I have a skill issue”
- proceed to live with skill issue
vagrant crane
i mean thats kinda what i do
i havent gone for improvement much other than playing the game a lot
and a few vod reviews
plain river
Fair
vagrant crane
so clearly the issue isnt just not having an "improvement mindset"
plain river
part of it is the lack of anabolic steroids
limber fjord
get a vod review
where would you even get a vod reviewed
limber fjord
you do not have access to this link
crude oriole
i have zag sword with dionysus attack, ares special and aphrodite dash and i'm being offered low tolerance and curse of nausea. which one should i take? low heat
plain river
i have zag sword with dionysus attack, ares special and aphrodite dash and i'm b...
Low tolerance is a 60% boost if you can keep 8 stacks up.
Nausea is like roughly 37.5% dps boost on any # of stacks
crude oriole
oooh, dps is damage per second? so nausea for less work and low tolerance for more damage?
limber fjord
i'd argue that low tol is less work too
faster procs means you need to be hitting more often too
crude oriole
less work if you're a gamer and kill everything immediately?
plain river
faster procs means you need to be hitting more often too
wdym
limber fjord
though shackle does have a point
plain river
If it’s low heat
I’m thinking maybe nausea would be better since you can use breathing room instead of being in the bosses faces maintaining 8 stacks
limber fjord
you'll be getting more dps from 1-5/6 stacks on nausea and more from 7+ stacks on low tol
plain river
ofc having both is best
limber fjord
i hadn't considered how much harder it is to stack unless you have double edge
nausea might be the play
south sonnet
just flurry smh
plain river
i hadn't considered how much harder it is to stack unless you have double edge
It’s low heat, flurry is on the t-
plain river
you’ve been playing too little freshfile
plain river
My younger brother finally picked up Hades 
His opinions on boons are a bit… 
Apparently dying lament is “sigma”
south sonnet
prediction:
arctic blast is "skibidi"
crude oriole
what's flurry again?😬
plain river
what's flurry again?😬
Flurry Slash
plain river
It’s not a good hammer but literally anything goes at low heat
limber fjord
cannot attack special cast, deal damage with dash, or deal damage with call
plain river
It’s not a good hammer but literally anything goes at low heat
And it’s fun
south sonnet
cannot attack special cast, deal damage with dash, or deal damage with call
better idea:
ONLY using athena's aid
plain river
plain river
cannot attack special cast, deal damage with dash, or deal damage with call
Vengeful Mood
Vengeful Mood ME it
south sonnet
better idea:
ONLY using athena's aid
the idea is to use either aid or traps to kill everything, no other boons may deal damage
crude oriole
ah, right. didn't take that bc i'm mostly dash striking
plain river
Pick up curse of vengeance, holy shield, ares on strike or special, athena on the other.
Find vengeful mood
Profit
mind you you need to pick up curse of vengeance first before holy shield
south sonnet
better idea:
traps
plain river
ah, right. didn't take that bc i'm mostly dash striking
Dash striking is generally the better way to use sword
plain river
I wouldn’t advise flurry slash but it’s low heat so you can use it just fine
plain river
iirc revenge boons prok in the order you get them
So if you want to do ME vengeance, you need to pick CoV up before Holy Shield
Otherwise you deflect first
limber fjord
no way i can do me vengeance
what 4th god would be best hmmm
wait i already have 4 gods
ares zeus athena aphro
crude oriole
I wouldn’t advise flurry slash but it’s low heat so you can use it just fine
it's low heat but fo2 and i'm only ok at the game so i don't know if i'd manage to win with anything
limber fjord
revenge doesn't proc off dodge right
plain river
I mean more in terms of, everything is a ton more viable at low heat
plain river
revenge doesn't proc off dodge right
idk
plain river
curse of vengeance is rad on hangover builds since the other option is opening up curse of longing
kindred ether
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523774570394681344/979424462074167376/f...
wth?
how do you do this?
vagrant crane
codex mod
kindred ether
ah ty
sacred pulsar
what are the best boons for the fists ? i would imagine artemis is somewhere up there cause of the crit chance no ?
limber fjord
main attack is flat damage (ares for ME, zeus or dio otherwise)
special likes %
especially demeter aspect
can't say anything about secret fists
tight basin
what are the best boons for the fists ? i would imagine artemis is somewhere up ...
Artemis on the special would be the only use case for her lmao
Zeus or ares on the attack would be a lot better
Or Dionysus
south sonnet
crit chance means nothing if youre hitting more or less
only if youre actually doing more damage or not
plain river
what are the best boons for the fists ? i would imagine artemis is somewhere up ...
Crit chance needs some actual base damage to work well
Fists has very low base damage and a higher speed, so works better with flat damage
Fists special does take +% boons but tbh
Artemis works best when you already have extra +%
limber fjord
thought technically speaking, % boons should increase the dps by the same amount no matter if you're hitting for more or less, right? it's just the existence of flat damage being so powerful on high attack rate weapons that we make the distinction of slow heavy hits -> % and fast light hits -> flat
plain river
~~thought technically speaking, % boons should increase the dps by the same amou...
kind of
analog mauve
True just do arty attack eris
plain river
A multiplier on piss poor damage doesn’t magically make it not piss poor
analog mauve
plain river
i always wondered if fists and rail were balanced around zeus boons
Think it’s the opposite but idk
rocky vortex
what other builds can i try on arthur? i feel like i always lean towards athena attack, aphro special, artemis somewhere so i can backstab and crit. it's fun, but i'd like some variety. ~15 heat fwiw
plus i feel like i need some overly specific boons/hammers on that so luck hurts bad
plain river
what *other* builds can i try on arthur? i feel like i always lean towards athen...
Aphro strike + zeus call for smouldering air
rocky vortex
never really used a smouldering air build before. i'll try it next run
plain river
Yeah Arthur has to deal with the sword hammer pool but without as much value from double edge
tight basin
Best Arthur build is just Aphrodite attack + anything that isn't bad
plain river
That should help for hammers
I think double nova arthur is in actually useful though
rocky vortex
yeah, shadow slash is what i always pray for
plain river
I think double nova arthur is in actually useful though
It’s way harder to dash strike cancel your second wave
Iirc
Also I think breaching overtakes piercing wave for arthur but I’m not recreating the tierlist
Or maye breaching actually becomes redundant what am I
I should sleep
rocky vortex
similarly, i'm not sure where to put this so i'll put it here for now––what heat should i add to an arthur run? rn i'm running max em and jury summons, but i'm starting to need more than that. don't wanna use the miniboss buff one because of em4
plain river
That is a horrid pact
rocky vortex
which one?
potent tree
Jury Summons oh dear 
There's a nice list of easy heats in the pins of #h1-high-heat-strategies
plain river
just in general
rocky vortex
ah, good to know, thank you
i know em4 isn't optimal, it's just a dope fight so i wanna keep that one
rocky vortex
good to know
plain river
try td instead
rocky vortex
oh, time caries over, that's very nice
plain river
Yeah
And you don’t die when it hits 0
You take 5 damage/second after the timer hits 0
tight basin
7 or 9 mins per biome is pretty reasonable imo
Td1 is pretty free
Td2 you might have to work a bit
plain river
Td1 is pretty free
if it isn’t your run times are concerning
tight basin
Stubborn roots type of clear lmao
plain river
Reddit 40 heat type clear
tight basin
57 min clear moment
plain river
57 min clear moment
With stubborn roots and heroic dashes, do you think you could outlast timer indefinitely?
tight basin
Tbh maybe lmao
eager flint
yo serrated is so much more fun on hadespear
I almost got my sub10
one small detail : I died
(maybe in part because of serrated)
Not entirely sure what build I should go for with it though. Artemis is nice, zeus/dio on call is cool, but apart from that idk
south sonnet
Stubborn roots type of clear lmao
my first heat 32 type of run
vital night
do jerkies increase zeus lightning damage?
vital night
got it
proper furnace
For increasing dmg from stuff like zeus you need the boon to say "increases dmg" or "enemy takes more dmg"
So like eris rail or targeting system (rail hammer)
vital night
ye
keen vortex
Any build tips for lucifer for someone who normally has on aim assist?
I had to turn it off to be able to aim at the bombs at all, so i’m struggling to hit stuff
I found some success with chain lightning, but that’s about the only thing i can think of to directly compensate for normally having aim assist on
The only other thing i can think of would be being more selective about where i put the bombs and just positioning myself in ways that causes the aim assist to also hit the bombs
Is there some sort of trick im missing or am i just bad?
plain river
Any build tips for lucifer for someone who normally has on aim assist?
I had to ...
Take a damaging dash
Tidal dash is typically best
They’ll explode from any damage so it works
Just dash in
keen vortex
oh, its ANY damage?
plain river
Yeah
keen vortex
now i just feel dumb lol
plain river
So chain lightning works
keen vortex
Hell yeah
plain river
oh, its ANY damage?
except for other bombs
Chain lightning and tdash are meta for that
Alongside the fact that zeus just works well on luci strike
keen vortex
Thats good to know. I tend to take athena dash on my rail runs to give myself a bit of back up and some sort of more mobile damage/defense
eager flint
also triple bomb is luci's best hammer
athena dash can proc the bombs too, it's a lot less area thoh
plain river
Thats good to know. I tend to take athena dash on my rail runs to give myself a ...
Tidal dash gives you space where ddash gives you protection
limber fjord
just stop attacking when you dash
plain river
And you obliterate styx tunnels
plain river
just stop attacking when you dash
For lucifer*
It’s not like lucifer can dash strike anyways
limber fjord
oh right i forgot that luci ramps
plain river
Luci ramping doesn’t matter
It’s negligible and you’re running zeus strike anyways
keen vortex
athena dash can proc the bombs too, it's a lot less area thoh
A sacrifice im willing to make for a chance at her legendary, makes me feel more comfortable standing still
keen vortex
Luci ramping doesn’t matter
Either way i’d want to get eternal chamber, so im not worried about the ramp up much
limber fjord
aiming for athena leg is not an angle i've considered
keen vortex
I mostly like the extra security it gives you later on
Like against the flame wheels and the archers
but obviously the earlier the better
limber fjord
i like killing things first
i think the only legendaries i've deliberately taken prereqs for to open them are zeus arte ares
keen vortex
well you know what they say, best offense is a good defense
plain river
Tbh dashing alone can be your good defense
then you can actually focus on your offense
vital night
is talos supposed to be unplayable
limber fjord
it's definitely not great
keen vortex
Tbh dashing alone can be your good defense
yeah but if i see it imma take it
plain river
For sure
keen vortex
is talos supposed to be unplayable
not intentionally but it does make it slightly funnier when you win with it
plain river
But always tailoring your builds for it… eh
limber fjord
idk what the reqs on athena leg are but the problem is that you're spending limited resources (boons) for this
keen vortex
But always tailoring your builds for it… eh
I wouldnt say i do that
but if i take her dash then im probably taking brilliant riposte anyway
plain river
It’s just brilliant reposte
also brilliant riposte’s only use case is opening her legendsry
vital night
not intentionally but it does make it *slightly* funnier when you win with it
this .5 second period where i can't do anything after i special seems pretty intentional to me
very real. lets still try to win ig (died)
plain river
also brilliant riposte’s only use case is opening her legendsry
It is the only reason to take the boon
limber fjord
that's the one that improves deflect damage right
keen vortex
Yeah
plain river
Yeah
limber fjord
yeah spending an athena boon on that is miserable
keen vortex
I think thats really useful, even when im not going for her legendary
plain river
it’s… not
Since projectiles have pitiful damage anyways
It multiplies it to still be pitiful damage
limber fjord
and you can't reflect melee damage afaik?
plain river
you can deflect melee attacks but it doesn’t do damage iirc
limber fjord
if you can, i haven't noticed, which should give insight to how bad it is
ik you can deflect
-60% trap damage is better than that boon
keen vortex
you can deflect melee attacks but it doesn’t do damage iirc
im pretty sure you can cuz im pretty certain i’ve gotten the deflected prompt from hades’ spin attack before
plain river
im pretty sure you can cuz im pretty certain i’ve gotten the *deflected* prompt...
You can deflect the melee attacks but they can’t do damage
It’s different from when you deflect projectiles
keen vortex
sorry yeah thats what i meant
plain river
Hmmm
keen vortex
I was agreeing with the first part not the damage, shouldve clarified
plain river
Wiki says it can deal damage off melee attacks but wiki also has a bad track record
limber fjord
in any case it's probably the worst boon you could be offered on athena's list
keen vortex
maybe its some melee attacks?
limber fjord
genuinely can't think of a worse one
plain river
in any case it's probably the worst boon you could be offered on athena's list
The bronze skin in question
vital night
damage reduction
limber fjord
bronze skin at least provides some sembalence of value
keen vortex
The bronze skin in question
Was just gonna say that
Especially cuz more than just she can give something similar
plain river
Brilliant riposte gets value over bronze skin just from opening the legendary
limber fjord
fair
keen vortex
I think aphro has the same thing?
plain river
Aphro’s is actually a bit better
and she’s already got the damage reduction gig going
limber fjord
broken resolve has higher values
epic makes you go from 60% taken to 40% taken iirc
plain river
Different league
keen vortex
i used to hate all of her boons to be honest
I’ve since changed my mind though
plain river
Is the one they were thinking
Probably*
plain river
I wouldn’t go as far as to rank any gods willy nilly
It’s far too subjective over weapons and aspects
limber fjord
fair enough?
keen vortex
Is the one they were thinking
Yeah, diff league is what i was thinking if
limber fjord
i will say aphro is generally extremely applicable
plain river
aphro is extremely applicable, true
keen vortex
like i said, used to hate
she’s not my favorite but i definitely like her a lot more than i used to
i also used to be the same way with demeter but now she’s one of my favorites
except for her cast
i only really like the ones that still allow you to use boiling blood
plain river
out of the 3 casts that steal your stones only one really matters
Blades
meme beams suck and dio only has use cases on weapons where it’s not the regular dio cast
keen vortex
Blades
Yeah thats about the only one i really like
otherwise its artemis or none cuz zeus’s makes it leave who i want it to go at
plain river
Dem is kind of awkward where she fits in nicely but not as nicely as x other god in a ton of cases
keen vortex
Yeah
I think theres definitely ways to make it work, but over boiling blood, not really my kind of party
plain river
I wasn’t talking about her cast when I said that
keen vortex
oh you mean in general
keen vortex
id stand by that
i’d at least partially chock that up to her being introduced later
plain river
What I said is just how she shakes out
keen vortex
well yeah she has really weird synergies
plain river
Her numbers are nice for strike and special but, aphro’s are better and athena’s are equal, and both aphro and athena have more use cases
her dash is like… eh
her call is also pretty eh
keen vortex
her dash is like… eh
i think its worse than eh
It would be slightly better if it radiated like dio’s dash
plain river
I don’t know about that
keen vortex
regardless it being a projectile is just odd
or aphros
whichever one does where you end instead of beginning
plain river
It would function better, yes
plain river
whichever one does where you end instead of beginning
Aphros, poseidons
keen vortex
yeah
plain river
It would function better, yes
But I think it would lose a bit to be relegated to the same shape as the rest of them
proper furnace
Maybe too unique
keen vortex
i just didnt want to say it but yeah
plain river
I would trade some of the length for width
keen vortex
yeah
plain river
but I don’t think it needs to be a circle
keen vortex
yeah
i think it being like a wall of chill would be cooler
pun intended
chill is a weird one though
keen vortex
actually i wish decay wasnt locked behind the “all foes” stipulation
cuz depending on the room thats like near impossible
plain river
It’s nice anyways
plain river
It’s nice anyways
Pairing it with her call just works
keen vortex
fair
wait i just realized, since the bosses are one on one for a lot of the battles, wouldnt decay be even more useful against em?
like decay against theseus and asterius would be easy to manage cuz its just the two of em
plain river
To an extent
The slow definitely puts in a lot more work then the damage
It’s free dps but also consider Hades having like 17k hp per bar
keen vortex
i feel like chill is the one time that privileged status might be the way to go
cuz you can stack it 10 times and use your other status to do that 40% extra
tight basin
the decay thing with killing freeze or whatever isn't bad, it's just not something i'd go out of my way for to get lmao
keen vortex
yeah
tight basin
like if it's an option and i have an easy way to infilct chill, then why not
hangover at home
keen vortex
precisely
and if you have hangover already? Its like buy one get one free
kinda how maim is just doom at home with risk
which isn’t that risky anyway if you can keep a bit of distance from the maim afflicted enemies afterwards
plain river
kinda how maim is just doom at home *with risk*
Maim is doom at home but with the “at home” part squared
Meh damage that doesn’t scale, takes a ton of time to drop, and give enemies a wicked strong buff against you on gilgamesh of all aspects 
keen vortex
A risk i’m willing to take for the dash attack i’ve aptly renamed “the paper shredder” depending what boons you shove into it
keen vortex
crit on the attack with blade rift or hangover dash is just chefs kiss
plain river
Crit on gilga strike 
Gilga really doesn’t have the base damage to support it
Or any other +% based strike
keen vortex
i’ve also had a lot of weird runs with athena on it on strike or dash
south sonnet
ddash is just cool
plain river
Just like a lot of things in game
They work, but not well
not talking about ddash, just the +% strikes on gilga
keen vortex
I don’t know. I love me a weird run that just works somehow.
Gilga’s the epitome of that, at least for me.
It’s like throwing crits on any weapon in TF2. Its a ton of “alright we take those”
plain river
I don’t know. I love me a weird run that just works somehow.
Gilga’s the epitom...
Tbf
just using whatever
works
especially at low heat
keen vortex
like the other day i misclicked and had the wrong poseidon boon (i dont remember what it was now) on my hades spear and i still did remarkably well
Pretty sure i died, but did WAY better than i wouldve expected
thats my favorite spear nowadays though so i do pretty well no matter what i put on it
plain river
Hades spear is definitely one of the aspects of spear
keen vortex
i used to almost exclusively use achilles but nowadays i go hades almost exclusively for the poetry of beating him with what was formerly his
keen vortex
and i love the massive spin attack
keen vortex
spear is a vehicle to give you 150% cast damage
elaborate
im unaware of this sorcery
limber fjord
achilles spear bull rush empowers your next 4 attacks or casts
plain river
Do you not know what achilles does?
keen vortex
totally forgot
plain river
+150% attack/cast damage
keen vortex
that IS pretty nuts jeez
plain river
Where Hades is +150% attack/special damage which is way less impactful unless you gear Hades towards the special with charged skewer and explosive launcher
plain river
Where Hades is +150% attack/special damage which is way less impactful unless yo...
And you need to do the slow spin first
Achilles is a boost to cast damage which works way better and it comes off something way easier to execute
south sonnet
Where Hades is +150% attack/special damage which is way less impactful unless yo...
even then, zagspear is cool
keen vortex
i mean i tend to try and throw the faster spin charge hammer on it
plain river
even then, zagspear is cool
Zag spear can get flurry
And also build towards special
so you have two avenues