Good to know
#h1-builds-and-combat
light pendant
proper furnace
I think the only important thing you could actually miss up for a while due to early escapes would be the codex
And just in case is not like the dialogue is missed forever
It'll just take a while to come back to those dialogues
light pendant
I see
proper furnace
I'd still try my best to win now just for the fun tho
No point in throwing the run
limber fjord
how is call generation measured
proper furnace
The non technical and short version is that how often you hit charges faster
Dmg done helps a bit but hits dimishing returns super fast (past 100 dmg it barely does something)
limber fjord
so hits > damage i see
light pendant
How good is brilliant riposte btw?
proper furnace
Taking dmg depend on % of hp
limber fjord
no wonder i was getting call insanely quick with zeus attack + support fire
proper furnace
Have low enough hp and 1 hit can fully charge your call
light pendant
I’m working with Athena dash+athena special with ares basic and all deflects inflict doom rn
proper furnace
How good is brilliant riposte btw?
Is pretty meh but opens Athena's legendary
light pendant
How helpful would brilliant riposte be?
limber fjord
brilliant riposte is athena revenge right
proper furnace
Deflect does more dmg
proper furnace
Revenge is holy shield
light pendant
Aighty time to reroll the room then
eager flint
I’m working with Athena dash+athena special with ares basic and all deflects inf...
That's basically top3 builds in the game, and the most widespread
light pendant
That's basically top3 builds in the game, and the most widespread
Hence why I said it’s a good run lmao
limber fjord
go win
eager flint
Yeah you already won lmao
light pendant
My bad
south sonnet
no hades can do big damage
proper furnace
Get dyno'd
light pendant
Lmao
proper furnace
Wait do you have divine dash
proper furnace
Aight yeah u are good to go
light pendant
Too late I already am rerolling lol
Should I go for last stand?
Increase health restore of death defiance
limber fjord
this would be a lot quicker if you just sent embed
analog mauve
how do you have rerolls on your third run
proper furnace
Btw regarding styx, once you get the sack just go unless you really are missing smth for your build
proper furnace
how do you have rerolls on your third run
They are save scumming apparently
light pendant
light pendant
proper furnace
That instant procs doom
light pendant
It immediately activates the doom proc from normal attack
limber fjord
you have level 1 doom and level 4 deflect which is a bit awkward 
south sonnet
just spam dashstrike
limber fjord
bad pom rng i'm guessing
proper furnace
The usual combo for sword is special > dash strike x2
light pendant
bad pom rng i'm guessing
Yeah
south sonnet
what hammers should i go for on zagspear special
potent tree
Explody and Charged
analog mauve
you wont get both though because they are cursed
south sonnet
youve cursed me
light pendant
Ngl friend advice is typically <:failbag:459075377814568960>
He has every achievement twice over and a combined 720 runs between em
light pendant
I’m way too far back
Lmao
plain river
See like
steam achievements don’t really go that deep
But for all I know he’s a high heat or real speedrunner
Or just someone who actually knows what’s up
So idk
limber fjord
Every achievement is at least 32 heat
vagrant crane
yeah every achievement is basically like were u competent enough to play the game and then dedicated enough to grind junk like levelling all keepsakes
south sonnet
@ distant memory best keepsake
eager flint
I wish distant memory was good
plain river
I wish distant memory was good
I wish distant memory worked even close to intended
south sonnet
close memory when
untold vortex
Every achievement is at least 32 heat
highest heat required for achievements is 16
pine torrent
aiming to 32 all aspects before hades 2
eager flint
good luck ! And of course, have fun !
uneven basalt
It’s only twice as hard
delicate elm
Anyone care to explain to me in a few words Zeus shield special usage min max DPS
Is there a range in which it stops or comes back ? Do I have to perma spam my special button ? Do I wanna pin enemies at a wall ?
eager flint
basically you yoyo it
special out, hit a bunch or whatever, do your life basically, then special again to get it back. Then repeat until everyone dies (except you, hopefully)
delicate elm
Okay I just always wanna press special back whenever it's going past the enemy
proper furnace
You can also wack enemies into it with your attack
plain river
Kinda comes to group enemies together with the pushiness of shield so you can hit them all at once with the special
delicate elm
Same question about min max DPS on final boss with shield, should I ALWAYS aim to block dmg or is there instances where dashing is better
plain river
Same question about min max DPS on final boss with shield, should I ALWAYS aim t...
If you can dash out of the way you can dash out of the way
I’ven’t ever really though of block vs dash
wet shadow
what should i go for on GY spear? (boons/hammer)
viral geode
health debuff stinks
bow is just better
i mean you can have fun with spins because its cool, so quick spin is good
potent tree
Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.
Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.
You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).
For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).
There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.
viral geode
how are gy and bow comparable whatsoever
imo spin is a scam, it gets you killed a lot, so you just rely on special, especially with charged skewer
hence bow being simpler
zenith fractal
imo spin is a scam, it gets you killed a lot, so you just rely on special, espec...
spin yu exists and has cleared some absurdly high heats (in fact iirc the spin yu heat wr is higher than the charged skewer GY wr!)
viral geode
wow didn't know that
ok spin is better than i thought
but i definitely wouldn't recommend it for a new player though
zenith fractal
ok spin is better than i thought
does require getting the right hammers though
zenith fractal
but i definitely wouldn't recommend it for a new player though
guan yu in general
tight basin
how are gy and bow comparable whatsoever
charged skewer is literally basically bow
tight basin
spin yu exists and has cleared some absurdly high heats (in fact iirc the spin y...
that was a recent development too iirc
spin build can deal with dc2, charged skewer cant
zenith fractal
charged skewer is literally basically bow
GY charged skewer special is kinda Rama attack at home 
same hitbox too
tight basin
wait what
zenith fractal
yes
zenith fractal
the hitbox on gy special is much bigger than what is shown while charging
tight basin
god damn
vagrant crane
charged skewer is literally basically bow
bow atk with twin is much shorter
and gy hs huge aoe
zenith fractal
kinda Rama tbh
limber fjord
for eris rail, is it strange to prefer aph spec over arte spec
weak feels amazing and it opens smair
tight basin
eh doesn't matter too much imo
both are pretty good
aphro special just means another pom target, and depending what you get in your build that might be too many targets
like if you have tdash, aphro special, and jolted
and if you want smair, you're gonna need a call and you're prob gonna want to pom that too
with arty special you kinda just throw 1 pom at it if you want i think
analog mauve
I used to take aphro keepsake just for the special into aspho
Maybe it's less damage but felt more useful
ivory turtle
Ooh so here's a question
So I have deadly reversal and Athena just offered me Divine Dash. However I also have Heart Rend with Empty Inside and Sweet Surrender, and my only reliable source of Weak is from dash (the others being wave of despair and dying Lament)
It's not worth right?
This is going into Dad btw
I'm taking epic sure footing instead but I wanted to get y'all's thoughts lol
analog mauve
Deadly reversal probably more damage
tight basin
So I have deadly reversal and Athena just offered me Divine Dash. However I also...
what's the aspect and where is the deflect
gaunt loom
what fist builds do you guys run
dapper harness
either ME or zap fists
eager flint
^ is the right answer
my answer is talos concentrated knuckle with divine strike or demeter fist with rising uppercut and artemis on special with also divine strike and deadly reversal
Is it good ? honestly kinda. Is it as good as ME or zapfists ? Absolutely not. Is it fun ? Hell yeah. At least it's another build that uses the aspects' strengths
gaunt loom
what boons where on ME
eager flint
Ares attack, impending doom, Athena special and dash, ME
plain river
what fist builds do you guys run
Dio strike and aphrodite special w/ low tolerance
lime anvil
Would it be better to fully charge zeus call, or spam it whenever
proper furnace
Spam it
limber fjord
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1190800419203584095/1192497257531060319/image.png?ex=65a94a9d&is=6596d59d&hm=1db47c55980076eec12d8b6b4a50144cc8b4fb796173848635d4549109227350&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1193&height=671 do i take aid, storm for greed, or roll for static
plain river
Would it be better to fully charge zeus call, or spam it whenever
Spam it (and this goes for like 90% of other calls too)
plain river
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1190800419203584095/1192497257531060319...
Is this eris?
limber fjord
yes eris rail
plain river
I think it’s aid imo
The game has a priority for the status boons iirc
So you’ll more than likely see it pop up later
limber fjord
alright
valid dagger
It's not very relevant. Rolling once for Jolted is worth it in most cases. Since this is just 40 heat and you're not speedrunning, the Aid is fine
ivory turtle
what's the aspect and where is the deflect
This was Hades Spear with Athena attack
(also quick spin)
(also swift strike)
tight basin
If you're able to actually deflect stuff with that then I'd keep it, otherwise deadly reversal is probably more dps
light parcel
Got a Zeus boon using the gun between lightning strike Zeus aid or lightning reflex’s what do I choose
plain river
Got a Zeus boon using the gun between lightning strike Zeus aid or lightning ref...
Lightning strike
You can imagine why it would strong right?
light parcel
So many shots chaining?
plain river
wait when you say lightning strike
You do mean the attack boon yeah?
It literally doubles your attack damage on rail
light parcel
Yeah whenever I attack my shots come out with lighting
plain river
It literally doubles your attack damage on rail
At a minimum
light parcel
I also got a Poseidon boon just now
Either oceans bounty or the hydraulic one where you attack is more in the first ten secs
Bounty right
plain river
What’s the third
light parcel
It would would replace lighting strike
plain river
ah
light parcel
Tempest strike
plain river
Hydraulic is a decent boost to your special, bounty is fine if you need the resources
light parcel
I got Demeters dash at the start
And got the hammer that makes your special do 300% more damage
plain river
oh you have hazard
proper furnace
What rail is this
light parcel
oh you have hazard
Ye
light parcel
Now I got a Demeter boon between crystal beam Demeter’s aid or killing freeze @plain river
plain river
What rarity is the killing freeze
proper furnace
I'd take killing freeze no matter the rarity
plain river
I'd take killing freeze no matter the rarity
True
It’s just whether or not I’d take dem aid over it
But killing freeze is probably the play
proper furnace
I mean they have zeus and pos in the pool so I'd just wait for those calls
light parcel
I have mistral dash,hazard bomb,oceans bounty,tempest flourish, killing freeze and lighting strike
Should I buy either Dionysus or Hermes or non
???
proper furnace
I'd take evasion
light parcel
It’s only 10%
plain river
What’s the swift strike %
proper furnace
I think swift just would run into zeus cooldown anyways
light parcel
Bro why is it only tisiphone 😭
plain river
I think swift just would run into zeus cooldown anyways
Eh
gaunt loom
Ares attack, impending doom, Athena special and dash, ME
do i just hit -> dash or is there a better combo
light parcel
Special and spam dash attack
plain river
Is rail that fast? It certainly doesn’t feel like it’s 8 round/second
plain river
do i just hit -> dash or is there a better combo
Dash strike
Dash strike proks doom and deflect one after the other and is faster
light parcel
Do I just spam my gun and special
plain river
Make sure you’re dashing around them
light parcel
Ok
Bro my special does SOOOOO MUCH DAMAGE HOLY
5 shot her
God that is insane
Ambrosia delight Pom porridge or refreshing nectar
?
plain river
Refreshing nectar is usually the play
light parcel
I got the one where you level up boons
plain river
that ones is definitely one of the top 3 options
light parcel
I got an extra dash from Hermes
plain river
You can just hit pause, quit, and reloading into the game if you didn’t like your decision
for eury
light parcel
Too late ):
plain river
This is a bouldy/eury/ anvil only thing
light parcel
I went into another chamber
light parcel
Got a Zeus duo boon
Sea storm
It’s either that or electric shot or storm lightning
Should I get the duo? @plain river
light parcel
Ye
plain river
huh
plain river
I’m not actually sure how much value you would get from sea storm
plain river
Ten seconds boosted damage
No that’s not what I meant
Like which core they’re in
The 5 diamonds on the left
light parcel
From top down the second one
Tempest flourish
“When you knock formes away they are struck by lightning”
plain river
Tempest flourish
Yeah flourish will be your special
light parcel
So I get the duo
light parcel
Got a hammer between delta chamber, seeking fire and piercing fire what do I get
light parcel
Wouldn’t piercing kinda be useless after eilysium
plain river
Not really? Piercing shots still go through enemies
light parcel
I’ll get that
plain river
I mean it’s not the great hammer in the world either way but seeking (at least on controller) isn’t really doing much either
proper furnace
Delta would be a dps drop here
Delta is still good for defense
proper furnace
And for the dps drop pretty sure you would need to play near optimally
tight basin
also like "dps drop" is a bit misleading considering that it's not that much less, and frankly might be a dps increase if you dont have good ammo management
yeah exactly
light parcel
Got an Athena boon between phalanx shot holy shield or bronze skin all common
plain river
Delta is still good for defense
Ig
I feel like delta with swift strike would go over the zeus cooldown 100%
light parcel
Got a Poseidon boon now between flood shot, breaking wave and razor shoals
@tight basin what’s best here
plain river
flood shot would fill your cast boon so you can see more options 
plain river
Yeah but flood shot would mean seeing more good boon options with each other boon
And like dem and dio aren’t great cast option sif you have boiling blood
So it’s either pos or zeus
limber fjord
patroclus?
light parcel
Offering me three things
light parcel
patroclus?
His name is ???
light parcel
He’s offering me kiss of Styx, hydralite gold and cyclops jerky select
What do I go for
light parcel
Not the damage jerky
limber fjord
do you always click revives if you're missing them?
proper furnace
Atk % is useless on normal rail without spread fire
light parcel
Oh ok
plain river
Not the damage jerky
Attack damage on regular rail doesn’t matter
limber fjord
oh this is rail
light parcel
I got the healing one
proper furnace
do you always click revives if you're missing them?
Depends how comfortable you are/how many you are missing ig
Even if its just one that's 200 gold saved
proper furnace
Bull first, stay behind pillars
If bull charges make him crash against a pillar/wall/theseus
proper furnace
I mean yeah that's your dmg pretty much
proper furnace
Don't let the rats get you 
light parcel
Between static discharge heavens venagbcw and storm lighting
proper furnace
Discharge
plain river
Discharge
light parcel
Got the sack on second room
I have 381 Chad
Cash
Should I do more chambers for an Athena or Zeus boon
light parcel
I can buy a Poseidon boon
plain river
More tunnels is really for if you’re feeling insecure
plain river
I can buy a Poseidon boon
Why not?
proper furnace
Might as well try get pos call
light parcel
Breaking wave razor shoals or hydraulic might
plain river
Shoals I think
That’s the most consistent damage you’ll get from any of them over the fight
light parcel
What’s the game plan for hades
plain river
Reduce his hp to 0 while keeping yours above 0
proper furnace
You can throw your special over the pillars to have distance
proper furnace
If you get hit by the casts focus 9n dodging
You take double dmg until they pop out
light parcel
The skull things that shoot waves out?
proper furnace
Yeah
light parcel
Best first phase with 30 health 2 revives left @plain river @proper furnace
limber fjord
simply play better and you will win
light parcel
UESSSSSSSSDSDDDDS
HOORAY
BEAT HIM WITH 5 HELARH
BEAT THE GAME
HOORAY!!!
Time to find mother
proper furnace
Enjoy the sunrise
plain river
proper furnace
Now do it again
light parcel
If hades doesn’t let me come back imma beat him
proper furnace
That's the attitude
plain river
Asking Hades to join their pyramid scheme
light parcel
What aspect should I get for the gun
opal oracle
Unpopular Arthur build that got me my first win: Swift strike, Lightning strike, Jolted. (Also use shadow strike in the mirror). Thats the whole thing, but if you want more use Athena's dash and Zeus's or Aphrodite's Cast. Edit; the reason this is so good is because Hermes makes your attack as fast as every other sword and you do 600 dmg for the third hit if its a back stab EVERY TIME (No crits but if its a crit then it does an unholy amount of dmg).
limber fjord
what do people play on rama?
proper furnace
what do people play on rama?
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
By Mike.
rain grove
fists build 
plain river
fists build <:prayge:839123768030134273>
Merciful End:
Ares strike,
Athena special (opens merciful end duo)
Divine Dash (you just dash strike to both prok and drop doom)
Then you just grab impending doom from ares
Hermes, you either get hyper sprint -> rush delivery or extra dashes from greatest reflex
plain river
Hermes, you either get hyper sprint -> rush delivery or extra dashes from greate...
This is practicslly just universal
for all aspects and all weapons
plain river
demeter works best but the ME (Merciful End) combo works on literally anything melee
rain grove
alr demeter it is
plain river
you could also run lightning strike or dionysus strike with aphrodite special
Dionysus would involve just getting more and more poms on strike, and zeus would look for more zeus boons, mainly static discharge
rain grove
yea i do a charon bow build with aphrodite and dionysus
plain river
and then you either grab zeus call (with either strike) or some other dps call (with lghtning strike)
and find smouldering air
And just minicall for added dps
If you want to do something a little more cast focused while still using fists, talos isn’t the greatest aspect in the world but it’s certainly unique
If you see chaos, take special damage (or rarity or obols or max hp) from him, attack and dash strike damage doesn’t really matter since your attack and dash strike have low base damage
rain grove
someone got a guan-yu SPIN build
polar python
Unpopular Arthur build that got me my first win: Swift strike, Lightning strike,...
Lighting Strike on Arthur is ... a choice.
polar python
Hmm, doing a FO2/EM4 run for for mega-Dad practice. Hestia build with Aphro attack & Hunter's Mark. Beat Heros, but wondering what keepsake to take into Styx. Acorn will likely get used fast from mobs in phase 1, so maybe Hourglass? (though shop after Heros has nothing useful so I might not get anything else) or ... suggestions?
I have some Dio/Dem boons to reduce health loss and (sadly) Dio call (though it does slow everything down by 30% which is nice).
dapper harness
it's prolly still acorn since unless u get bballs acorn is just better
the other option is tooth
polar python
I never find it lasts past phase 1 on EM4. But maybe that's enough.
If the shop had attack bonus or something else useful I'd be more inclined to take HG, but several times I've taken it I've seen no wells in the tunnels.
eager flint
also it's unlikely the items wouldn't last until dad even if you did not have hourglass
polar python
A 2 sack will be okay and that's basically 50/50 iirc.
Oh hang on, I misread.
Well attack bonus is 6 chambers.
So maybe okay.
Yeah, I'll be traditional and take Acorn.
dapper harness
I never find it lasts past phase 1 on EM4. But maybe that's enough.
phase 1 tends to be the hardest part
polar python
Dammit, Dio just offered me 3 bad replacements for various boons in the final chamber, so I rerolled with my last roll. And got ... almost exactly the same replacements.
Why yes, I'd love to swap Aphro attack on Hestia. Or trade Arty Dash Strike.
I mean who doesn't want to do half as much damage.
Least bad is trading Dem special, since Hangover slows things down. But still.
eager flint
blood and darkness that's a bad dio
polar python
30% numbing sensation plus targeting system on hazard bomb should help in Dad though.
And Acorn was the right choice. Not a single shop in a 4 sack.
polar python
Yeah I know. However I'm really only using Dio for Numbing Sensation tbh as they aren't pommed. Compared to 2k for a Hestia crit is not game changing.
Well I won (Hell mode, EM4/FO2) so that's nice.
wooden jungle
is there a general pattern to decide what to pom? Normally I go for whichever attack I use most followed by any additional damage dealing effects from my main god or supplemental damage, like with Artemis. I think it's just hard to guess if it's better to load up on one boon or spread poms out to effects that make the main attack stronger
proper furnace
Pomming 1 thing is the go to most of the time yeah
But also depends on what boon it os
Like you don't pom arte atk cuz it has awful pom scaling
Pomming hunter's mark is more value
wooden jungle
huh I didn't realize her attack was bad to pom
are there other boons like that?
oh yeah hunter's mark is amazing
proper furnace
Poseidon atk (but you don't take that one in first place lol)
Sometimes you need to juggle poms between a few boons too
wooden jungle
only have for the fated list but made sure special or cast was my primary lol
proper furnace
For example eris standard build (zeus atk, static discharge, tidal dash) wants to pom jolted and dash
Cast builds pretty much only pom cast
plain river
And if it’s a hangover boon
proper furnace
Also you mostly pom until like lvl 4-5
plain river
You just don’t stop pomming it
wooden jungle
yeah that makes sense, my zeus builds are the ones I spread out the most, but sometimes with poseidon I'll also pom the knockaway effects
proper furnace
Yeah hangover poms never fall off so just keep placing poms on that
Oh for pos just pom shoals like once really
plain river
which hangover boon though? that's where I get caught up tbh
Any of them
It depends on the weapon
proper furnace
which hangover boon though? that's where I get caught up tbh
Depends where your hangover is
wooden jungle
my god lmao
proper furnace
You only want 1 source of hangover
wooden jungle
the highest level I've had was 9 for ares attack on merciful end on fists
proper furnace
and dash is kinda weak so maybe don't take it
wooden jungle
taking notes as we speak
proper furnace
huh I didn't realize her attack was bad to pom
Btw if you want more dmg for arte just get more chaos boons
plain river
Like almost every weapon has a quick hitting attack or special that would be fine with dio on it and a counterpart attack/special that’s heavier which fits aphrodite
proper furnace
You can also just slap dio call on most things
plain river
and you can always replace the dionysus boon with zeus and take dio call
wooden jungle
so if it's one source of hangover, would it be good to have other lingering effects for those duo boons? I've had additional ones for the same effect to level it faster but it also makes sense to just aggressively pom one and take any additional damage boons too without it as the focus
proper furnace
Yeah other curse status are fine
plain river
if you want curse of nausea, try to get it from curse of vengeance
wooden jungle
does trippy shot actually weaken you though? I've been mixed on taking that boon since I haven't noticed it but I'm also busy fighting and clearing chambers to notice
plain river
uhh
No
And when I said weaken I meant aphrodite’s status effect
trippy shot does remove your ability to use boiling blood
proper furnace
Dio's cast would open the legendary if you have hangover
wooden jungle
yeah I know, there's just one boon where it says you're less likely to take damage from the fog
true
wooden jungle
I can check the wiki
proper furnace
Yeah is dmg reduction
plain river
Dio's cast would open the legendary if you have hangover
Do you have the link for the github page
wooden jungle
ok I can't post the picture but it just says 'take less damage while standing in festive fog' (high tolerance)
analog mauve
it does what it says
crude oriole
zag sword has bad rep but i just had a fun run with it because it's fast. i can see it not working on higher heat but on low heat it's definitely ok. would like to see how high i can go with it. so what are recommended builds for that aspect? i tried to go for merciful end. didn't work out, only had the two core boons by styx and got the duo in the very last chamber
south sonnet
anything on low heat works
ocean finch
is pressure points useless? 2% base is very low,,
proper furnace
pair it with hunter's mark
eager flint
2% base is still 6% multiplicative. Not big, but not insignificant. Also good with poms usually and hunter's mark
south sonnet
pp linear pom scaling
plain river
is pressure points useless? 2% base is very low,,
The chance to prok hunters mark off anything you do is quite nice, you just need hunters mark.
hexed shard
Hi hi! I'm using the ||Zeus aspected Aegis|| on redacted for my first clear attempt, but I keep finding myself dying quickly, even with ||4 lives!|| Does anyone have any suggestions on optimal builds I should work towards? Thanks! 😄
Hi hi!
eager flint
Zeus aspect is best with Zeus special and go all in on jolted and such
Keep in mind that you can and should block with the shield. Blocking is incredibly strong
Also explosive return is a very good hammer because you can yoyo with the special to fire it often
Other great hammer is charged shot
Good luck ! 
polar python
2% base is still 6% multiplicative. Not big, but not insignificant. Also good wi...
I think it's only 4%, because you have (98% x 1 + 2% x 3) which is also 100% + (2% x 2). In general PP does 2 x its stated crit chance on average.
But Hunters Mark is the way to get a lot more value from it.
Though I've recently stopped getting Support Fire when I've got Hunter's Mark because all the arrows flying about keep "using up" the mark, especially on bosses. So if I have Hestia I'd rather know I can control which enemy has the mark to maximize the big crit chance.
plain river
Though I've recently stopped getting Support Fire when I've got Hunter's Mark be...
Yeah I mean support fire kinda sucks
polar python
Fair, I'd get it if there wasn't much else. Now, if I have Hunter's Mark, I'm starting to avoid it.
plain river
Zeus aspect is best with Zeus special and go all in on jolted and such
@hexed shard if you are using this build, consider aphrodite as your second god that you’d force in asphodel.
Putting her on strike gives you the largest +% of any god, weaken, and importantly it opens smouldering air once you have a call (zeus and dionysus are both good for dps calls)
polar python
Yeah, Zeus Aphro is always a good pairing. Aphro has good support boons and good duos with almost every other god.
Zeus Aphro Arty is probably the trio I end up going for the most.
eager flint
add athena for deadly reversal and deflect for even MORE greed
well, I guess the deflect is not greedy
wheat needle
How do I use the shield with aspect of Zeus? I find it hard to use the special because it keeps going and doesnt stop so it doesnt deal much damage.
proper furnace
Press special again to recall it and reposition
From there, there's a few options
Run away from the shield and kite it through the enemies.
Use as a yo-yo near an enemy (special > recall > special again, repeat).
Place it somewhere and guide enemies there
You can also use your attack to push them into the shield
wheat needle
Ah, thats quite difficult but ill try it thanks
ocean finch
i have 194 max hp
and i am in elysium
i have a choice between a pom or a heart
what should i get :((
i tried uploadin a pic of my percs but i dont have image perms lol
errant narwhal
you can send image links and they will embed
errant narwhal
from discord, imgur, some other image hosting website
ocean finch
Or a discord link like so
i already sent it silly ! thank u tho :3
plain river
Pom unless you feel really insecure about your hp
ocean finch
am goin pom
ocean finch
Pom unless you feel really insecure about your hp
i dont !
my healing isnt great alart from 100% on fountains
ook i got my ass kicked agaain by theseus god damnit
marble gust
greater reflex (more dashes) and tidal dash (dash damages and knocks away) are a godly (heh) combination
add rupture and sea storm (knock away does lightning) and you melt everything
plain river
greater reflex (more dashes) and tidal dash (dash damages and knocks away) are a...
Tidal dash is great by itself tbh
And greater & greatest reflex are just both great
south sonnet
splitting bolt where
ocean finch
lightning rod or hunters mark ,, https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/850624192357597214/1193281597416423485/image.png?ex=65ac2516&is=6599b016&hm=6583521614961d6a877c849570ff1b3426c043f981f3f7bb7bd4a0292f8a4e2e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1202&height=676
im thinkin hunters mark,
but idk much about duos and i think people love duos ?
ocean finch
oooh ok so get lightning rod ? :0
south sonnet
what aspect?
eager flint
Hunter's mark is usually goated too, but not to the degree of lightning rod
south sonnet
either way lightning rod
eager flint
Depends on how good your build is otherwise kinda
if you already have STUPID damage, you can take mark to make your already stupid damage even stupider
otherwise, rod
throw all your casts at a wall, watch everyone die. Fun.
south sonnet
i think youre exaggerating lrod damage
its only 70 dps
not gonna just straight up get a sub 60 dad with it
ocean finch
what aspect?
uhmm
the achillies spear
thats aspect right ?
this is what i have so far
eager flint
its only 70 dps
70 times 3 with bonus from every global damage and that procs jolted and potentially double strike
there's a reason underpowered aspects are called "aspect of rod"
it can singlehandedly carry your build, including speed and high heat. Well, not "singlehandedly" as in, you pop it and you're good. But building around it will get you far if you get it
south sonnet
erm ackshualy shield runs are called aspect of cshot🤓
eager flint
Fair 
limber fjord
how do you play around rod, anyways?
how on earth do you position the stones in a way that you don't pick them up?
proper furnace
Throw them towards any obstacle really
When you pick up rod the radius to collect them is reduced a lot
limber fjord
okie
gaunt loom
does mom pom work with sweet nectar
proper furnace
Don't think so
viral geode
i don't think it works with nectar poms either
plain river
does mom pom work with sweet nectar
Nope
crystal rover
Any shield builds
south sonnet
Any shield builds
zag shield: charged shot or pulverizing blow. buff attack as much as possible
zeus: zeus
beo: mirage and dio/pos
delicate elm
Does anybody know how Calls are being built up ?
Is it the number of hit dealt/taken or the actual damage it's dealing
proper furnace
both, but number of hits matters more
limber fjord
iirc the math is hard but more hits > more damage
delicate elm
Alright thanks
proper furnace
and call through dmg taken depends on % of your hp
so a charon hit on like lvl 1 gy can fully charge your call
pine nova
hey, sorry if this doesnt count as builds but anyways
i cannot figure out how to get any hidden aspects, i was looking into how to get the one for the shield and saw that i have to get the one for the spear first
read that to get the spear's i need to have spent 5 titan blood total which ive spent on the blitz disk, then speak to Achilles and get the dialogue for the awakening phrase, however ive exhausted all of his dialogue like 3 separate times (while having the spear equipped) and he just does not give me the dialogue
ive completed runs with the spear, ive spent plenty of titan blood on the spear (non zagreus aspects), ive even ||beat the game and have persephone back inthe house of hades||
i just have zero clue what's going on and need help, please
tight basin
you need to unlock 5 nonzag aspects, not spend 5 total titan blood
to get the hidden spear
pine nova
Rats, ok thank you
gaunt loom
how does aspect of eris work more specifically? also how would it work with rocket
proper furnace
how does aspect of eris work more specifically? also how would it work with rock...
Throw special> be nearby the explosion once it lands > get buff (buff is global dmg, mening any dmg from zag is buffed like zeus stuff)
With rocket just shoot it point blank to an enemy or wall to get the buff
vital night
Does eris buff apply to hangover applied before the buff but damaging after the buff?
proper furnace
Does eris buff apply to hangover applied before the buff but damaging after the ...
if you have eris buff up you'll get the buff no matter when hangover was applied
vital night
uh what
Like say I apply hangover, gain eris buff, and then the hangover ticks, does the tick benefit from the +75% damage
limber fjord
yes
vital night
got it, ty
analog mauve
i had the same question
vital night
Also, do things like billowing strength and the hermes +30% dodge after call stack?
with themselves*
proper furnace
Stack as in if you do multiple times the effect is bigger or if you can have both effects at once
vital night
the former
limber fjord
pretty sure it's a binary buff
proper furnace
Nah, refreshes the timer only
vital night
got it
proper furnace
Smair second wind would be a lot more busted if it stacked lmfao
Guaranteed 100% dodge
limber fjord
duration is like 10 seconds or something right
vital night
yeah
plain river
Does eris buff apply to hangover applied before the buff but damaging after the ...
eris increases the damage of everything going on right now
limber fjord
For zeus^2 what is the ideal attack
limber fjord
Suspected it was so
plain river
No other attacks really outmerit it
halcyon burrow
does anyone know an aspect of rama build
lucid oar
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
By Mike.
halcyon burrow
i do love me some perfect shots
marble fiber
does serrated point with the triple dash jab on achilles spear deplete all 4 uses of the aspects ability when hitting dashstrike once?
limber fjord
what's the opinion on stygian vs infernal on hunting blades
proper furnace
does serrated point with the triple dash jab on achilles spear deplete all 4 use...
Nah
If you do 1 dash strike that's 1 charge
proper furnace
what's the opinion on stygian vs infernal on hunting blades
Blades stay for 4 seconds vs stygian's 3 seconds regen and don't have many options to increase the timer so I just do infernal
Stygian can have better dmg but resetting for chaos' +1 casts is 
Infernal does the job well
marble fiber
If you do 1 dash strike that's 1 charge
Dope
surreal venture
should I take athena call or deathless stand? the call is epic and the other is rare, btw
eager flint
Do you have a DD slot that needs to be filled ?
surreal venture
yes
eager flint
Then deathless stand
limber fjord
boon rarity is generally unimportant
surreal venture
alr ty
surreal venture
boon rarity is generally unimportant
don't the stat increases still matter?
limber fjord
sure, it's better to get an epic than a common
eager flint
Boon rarity matters more or less depending on the specific boon, but is a far secondary to actually having good boons
limber fjord
but having the important boon in the first place matters more
surreal venture
alright
they were kinda neck and neck in my head but the call is prolly way harder to make use of
eager flint
Yeah
limber fjord
epic zeus attack is like twice the damage of common zeus attack, but i'm still picking a common zeus attack for rail to open static discharge and whatnot
eager flint
DD will always be useful
proper furnace
For taking calls also consider your weapon
Some stuff take their sweet time to charge them
analog mauve
reset then
surreal venture
ehh not a fan of savescumming
limber fjord
when people say reset in this game they mean standing in front of a mob and getting wacked
surreal venture
oh lmao
limber fjord
optionally beat meg then take a hot bath
analog mauve
when people say reset in this game they mean standing in front of a mob and gett...
ya
surreal venture
still i'm gonna use what I can get
analog mauve
real
proper furnace
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194294095519174808/1194299552375783496/i...
Cast to then get legendary gaming
eager flint
Vorimed
Honestly the best propaganda for mods is done by the game itself
(Vorimed means you don't have the one core you want on your first boon)
marble fiber
what works better on chiron, damage %(aphro/demeter), stacking curses (dio,ares), or flat damage boosts (zeus etc)?
proper furnace
% works if you get concentrated volley
Otherwise just stack dio, add as many poms as you can fit on that thing and get low tolerance
Zeus is a no thanks to internal cooldowns
marble fiber
Zeus is a no thanks to internal cooldowns
oops
i probably knew this before my laptop broke and took a 3 week break lol
lucid oar
it can still be good if you stack a bunch of Zeus boons and get global damage buffs
marble fiber
it can still be good if you stack a bunch of Zeus boons and get global damage bu...
it felt a bit mediocre to me, so i switched to dynosius in elysium 🙂
south sonnet
Boon rarity matters more or less depending on the specific boon, but is a far se...
jolted
south sonnet
this is exactly why you gamble for rarity
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1152045284629696573/Screenshot_2023-09-14_at_5.55.13_PM.png?ex=65a9c8c7&is=659753c7&hm=e79c43343d233a900b62263523582f9c735a321ea9de8812a926b5ef9169c856&
keen vortex
can someone try to sell me on festive fog?
i like most/all of dio’s other boons but can’t really get behind the fog
i feel like im left wishing it was just hangover instead but maybe there’s benefits i’m just missing?
proper furnace
Is fun with the 4th aspect of the shield
Its bugged so its pom values are double of what are shown
And mirage shot is bugged on flares where the 2nd cast created by it does 100% dmg
keen vortex
ironically thats the aspect i WISH had hangover for cast instead so you could put one status on your attack and one on cast for instant double debuffs
but maybe thats on purpose
proper furnace
that's why we don't use priv status
eager flint
can someone try to sell me on festive fog?
i like most/all of dio’s other boons ...
benefit is big number
keen vortex
~~that's why we don't use priv status~~
honestly its been so long that i HAVE been using it, whats the other one do again
proper furnace
For normal builds you can do ice wine so you don't have to deal with the arc throwing
proper furnace
*honestly its been so long that i HAVE been using it, whats the other one do aga...
+5% dmg per god you have a boon from
keen vortex
right
eager flint
so +25% damage all the time basically
proper furnace
So 25% normally (4 gods + hermes)
keen vortex
and priv is what, double damage but only when stacking two or more debuffs?
proper furnace
40% when enemy has 2 curses ye
south sonnet
can someone try to sell me on festive fog?
i like most/all of dio’s other boons ...
big damage
decent with high tolerance and black out
keen vortex
i guess i got so used to going gilgamesh with double debuffs that i never even thought about switching off priv
keen vortex
guess that’s something i’ll keep in mind when i hop back into hades later tonight
i used to spend 90% of my runs trying to use doom and hangover to do that extra damage with whatever else i could get to do crazy dps, regardless of my weapon choice
I just remember spending run after run trying to avoid festive fog cuz it wasnt a debuff
proper furnace
Fog is fine with hangover cuz its open dio's legendary
+60% dmg when enemy has hangover and standing on fog
And yeh makes sense why you vibe with priv status
If you are building hangover then is fine
keen vortex
honestly, maybe fog is what i need to do to win with beowulf
i have yet to win with beowulf but have a TON of success with the other shield aspects
Same with hera bow too
keen vortex
Use poseidon cast instead for beo
oh yeah every time
proper furnace
The thing with dio cast beo is that you need to run stygian soul
keen vortex
i honestly dont like Poseidon on most other weapons
proper furnace
Then get at least 1 cast from chaos
keen vortex
but the shield makes him feel broken at times
proper furnace
Along with finding at oeast artemis or poseidon in tartarus
For hera you can use aphro's cast
2nd highest dmg and the sjort range is a non issue
keen vortex
would poseidon attack cause that one hammer that gets rid of the shield’s knockback cancel it out?
proper furnace
Yeah but pos attack is bad
It has the lowest % of the gods
If you wanna build with that hammer use zag shield tho
Beo is too slow for that
Beo just wants charged shot
From pos what you usually pick is tidal dash
Highest dmg dash
- good pom scaling
keen vortex
ngl maybe im crazy but i cant remember the last time i’ve gone back to zag aspect once i unlocked the other ones
largely out of being bored of being stuck with them until i unlocked the others
south sonnet
pulv zagshield is very cool
proper furnace
tbf they are quite simple aspects
zag rail is like the most unique thanks to being able to use spread fire well
keen vortex
i’m not gonna lie, i can’t understand how me from whenever-long ago ever beat the game with the rail
The first time i ever escaped was with the rail, and i think one or two heat runs after, but nowadays i can’t understand what i did that worked
proper furnace
unironically going the dio attack route works just fine
ideally with eris aspect
but what's more common is slap zeus atk, grab static discharge add tidal dash for dmg
pom discharge and dash
keen vortex
unironically going the dio attack route works just fine
i think thats one of the ones i did win with
proper furnace
if using the hestia aspect (reload gives big dmg) just add aphro attack and done
keen vortex
that and some artemis-ares combo
proper furnace
another commmon win I've seen is just hazard bomb
keen vortex
i 100% had that on one of em too
i also really WANT to like aspect of lucifer, but can’t seem to do well with it
limber fjord
a fun high roll build for rail is dio attack aphro spec arte core and try going for a duo triangle of low tol head split heart rend
keen vortex
i also really WANT to like aspect of lucifer, but can’t seem to do well with it
i die every time
limber fjord
extreme meme but if it hits its very funny
limber fjord
SUPER SOAKER
keen vortex
super soaker?
proper furnace
Meme build
analog mauve
For luci you copy eris build
real gamers copy hestia build
limber fjord
good damage when it works an unplayable if you miss sea storm
south sonnet
real gamers copy hestia build
the gamers use athena luci
proper furnace
good damage when it works an unplayable if you miss sea storm
(and even then, the good dmg would've been the same had you used Zeus attack)
keen vortex
*the* gamers use athena luci
do the BULLETS cause the reflect, or is the reflect hitbox ON zag, its been so long since ive tried athena rail
proper furnace
For luci the reflect hitbox is only at the tip iirc
keen vortex
g r o s s
proper furnace
That or like right next to you
Is one of the two
For the other rails it should be the bullet but you don't want a % attack unless hestia
Cuz the bullets only have 10 base dmg
keen vortex
i think i’m gonna try some rail builds tonight
maybe even festive fog and family favorite (not necessarily on the rail, separate)
or together I don’t know
proper furnace
You could do it if you want
Fog has the duo with zeus that make more lightning
The rule of thumb with zeus is that you should add a million zeus boons
limber fjord
ice wine makes fog nicer to use
keen vortex
i keep stopping playing hades to play other stuff i need to and falling BACK into the quicksand that is good ol’ hades cuz i get in my head about synergies and boon combos dammit
proper furnace
Just get the call so you can get double strike
limber fjord
instant cast instead of a lob
proper furnace
*i keep stopping playing hades to play other stuff i need to and falling BACK in...
One more run won't hurt 
Oh yeah, now that I remember
keen vortex
I can’t wait for it to come out on netflix gaming cuz then i’m probably gonna play it at work all the time
proper furnace
If you use hangover only have 1 source of it at any time
south sonnet
go play bastion instead to stop playing hades
keen vortex
If you use hangover only have 1 source of it at any time
thats always my rule too
proper furnace
If you use hangover only have 1 source of it at any time
Newest stacks override the oldest no matter which one has higher dmg
keen vortex
i always used to do dio, ares almost every single run
proper furnace
(this includes peer pressure, making it a terrible boon)
keen vortex
then i realized that aphro isnt entirely garbage (even though i think weak is a mid debuff despite how useful it can be)
proper furnace
Newest stacks override the oldest no matter which one has higher dmg
Biggest example is like
Use dio call > use dio's dash > rip your dmg
Aphro is great for hangover
keen vortex
Newest stacks override the oldest no matter which one has higher dmg
i never knew that, but i also dont know that ive ever had double hangover TO have a reason to know that
proper furnace
Aphro is great for hangover
The most common is chiron dio special, aphro attack
Easy duo set up
Can still add ares if he shows up through curse of vengeance
keen vortex
the aphro setup i love is dio on the chaos aspect special, and weak on attack
south sonnet
well thats one way to play chaos aspect
probably the only one that actually uses the special too
keen vortex
the special is like my favorite part of that aspect, I don’t know why
proper furnace
chaos shield is cool thematically but using it is so
keen vortex
I don’t know something about it just speaks to me
pun intended
ngl it actually wasn’t
every shield run i do, it’s dread flight and whatever debuffs i can get
south sonnet
dread flight
keen vortex
i play weird idk
my friends think im weird for stubborn defiance too but im bad at living so i stick to it
tight basin
If you're good enough at the game and can clear consistently then stubborn vs death doesn't matter too much
At least for heat levels below like 32
keen vortex
only thing im worried about is when i eventually do extremer measures
i think im gonna need more than two lives for that hades
tight basin
Death defiance would def be better for em4 lmao
potent tree
Why do you type in italics 😮 are you gritting your typing teeth?
tight basin
You could cheese Athena DDs tho
turbid needle
Why do you type in italics 😮 are you gritting your typing teeth?
😂 lol
keen vortex
Why do you type in italics 😮 are you gritting your typing teeth?
ngl, didnt notice it was EVERY one until now
whispering maybe?
turbid needle
😂
keen vortex
more accurately- the weirder the hot take i think im about to say, the more likely i am to italicize it out of embarrassment
potent tree
You'll eventually get to the point where you have plenty of DDs going into the final boss
keen vortex
or i get lucky and get patroclus right at the end of elysium
turbid needle
more accurately- the weirder the hot take i think im about to say, the more like...
Sorry that I was laughing I didn’t know that was possible
keen vortex
use * around your text
tight basin
or i get lucky and get patroclus right at the end of elysium
not dying might help with not needing luck
thanks for coming to my ted talk
tight basin
i'd personally just not die
keen vortex
im pretty bad to be honest, hence the stubborn defiance
tight basin
could be a build/mirror/pact problem tbh
build is probably the bigger driving force tho
south sonnet
Why do you type in italics 😮 are you gritting your typing teeth?
big text test
keen vortex
# big text test
h o w e v e n
south sonnet
||put a # at the start of the message||
proper furnace
a
tight basin
big letter
limber fjord
then i realized that aphro isnt *entirely* garbage (even though i think weak is ...
Aphro has the highest % damage on her cores and weak is incredible
She also has insane duos
Imo aphro either the 2nd best or the best core god, full stop
keen vortex
build is probably the bigger driving force tho
i spend most of my runs nowadays recreating stuff that i know works
i think its a skill thing
I was well over 100 runs before i got my 10th victory
i just remember it being an embarrassingly high number
tight basin
Imo aphro either the 2nd best or the best core god, full stop
nearly every build can put aphrodite somewhere lmao
same with zeus
funny enough beowulf doesnt like either of them lmao
for normal runs at least
south sonnet
Imo aphro either the 2nd best or the best core god, full stop
good %, sweet surrender, broken resolve, smair, nectar, life aff
limber fjord
i spend most of my runs nowadays recreating stuff that i know works
i think its ...
Mostly just a knowledge thing tbh
tight basin
i spend most of my runs nowadays recreating stuff that i know works
i think its ...
well tbf a lot of things can "work"
south sonnet
until you get to heat
tight basin
and i'm assuming you dont really have knowledge of anything that's meta or whatever, so like any group of boons on any aspect can work to a certain extent
south sonnet
until you get to heat
to newer players, anything can be good, until they reach ely, then they feel a little weak
same with high heat
keen vortex
and i'm assuming you dont really have knowledge of anything that's meta or whate...
yeah i just tend to play what boons i find fun or brought me success before
tight basin
yeah that's what most people do lmao
and it makes sense
but anything can work given enough skill (and rng)
retrash is a really good example of anything working given enough skill
idrk about the rng part considering he makes anything work lmao
south sonnet
this is exactly why you gamble for rarity
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments...
can confirm that skill can make anything work
tight basin
just link retrash's whole youtube channel lmao
he made heavy knuckle talos work
among other cursed builds
he did a non-cast build beo run too
keen vortex
yeah i just tend to play what boons i find fun or brought me success before
great example, i think ive probably tried to get dio on nearly every single run, primarily for his support boons like afterparty and strong drink
proper furnace
retrash mentioned
keen vortex
other than his core stuff cuz i adore hangover
tight basin
time to play guess that aspect with his core boons
limber fjord
Im not the biggest fan of hangover
Maybe i just get unlucky but the damage seems lacking
tight basin
great example, i think ive probably tried to get dio on nearly every single run,...
you should generally go for gods for their core boons rather than support boons
i can only think of like 2 builds that actually go for support boons rather than core boons lmao
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Maybe i just get unlucky but the damage seems lacking
the whole gimmick of hangover is the fact that it's consistent, not because it does a lot of damage
hangover only needs poms for damage
south sonnet
unless dio call
tight basin
yeah true dio call is big damage
south sonnet
dio's damage range is drunk
keen vortex
Im not the biggest fan of hangover
i think i like it mostly cuz it stacks and therefore lasts long
and cuz i always used priv status, and longer debuffs guaranteed higher damage for most of my builds, but coming here has opened my eyes a bit on that
south sonnet
stacking doesnt mean lasting longer
tight basin
pstatus generally not considered good but also if you're always doing hangover builds then it's fine lmao
south sonnet
if you reapply a buff, it refreshes the cooldown, also stacks go away individually
limber fjord
Im not sure id go pstat on hangover myself
Potential having 0% damage in tart feels awk
south sonnet
if you reapply a buff, it refreshes the cooldown, also stacks go away individual...
so if you apply 5 dio stacks at 1 second intervals, theyll all go away after 8 seconds with 1 second intervals
and if you hit an enemy with weak, wait 2 seconds, and hit them again, itll refresh
tight basin
well considering you're generally shooting for the duos low tolerance and/or curse of nausea, you're probably gonna have pstatus easily
tight basin
Potential having 0% damage in tart feels awk
i mean it's hangover you dont need the 5-10% immediately
hangover isn't fast to begin with anyways
keen vortex
Potential having 0% damage in tart feels awk
I definitely agree, but how much that percent matters depends on the weapon cuz its all in how quick you apply that hangover and distance yourself while it takes affect
or at least thats my excuse
like dio chiron
percentage doesnt matter to me cuz if i put dio on special, and just about anything else on attack, you got pretty okay damage for almost anything you can run into for tartarus
on a separate note
can we talk about the final aspects for each weapon
i think one of my least favorite things about them is that so many hammers are incompatible with them, and there aren’t equivalents to compensate
And like some of em i get it, like the rail cuz its a whole different ammo type, but i feel like there should still be a no reload equivalent hammer for it
tight basin
there is
proper furnace
funny you say that cuz it does have one
tight basin
also i think all of beo's hammers are still compatible with normal shield
same with rama except rama doesnt get conc and charged volley
proper furnace
yeah
tight basin
fists lose the knuckle hammers
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arthur misses flurry/splitter I think?
tight basin
cruel thrust maybe since it doesnt thrust on normal combo
proper furnace
same with rama except rama doesnt get conc and charged volley
also flurry
tight basin
oh yeah
keen vortex
arthur misses flurry/splitter I think?
The ones that could make it good
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and exploding cuz its special is already that
tight basin
The ones that could make it good
flurry and splitter never made sword good
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this was funny
tight basin
flurry arthur would look funny tho
keen vortex
funny you say that cuz it does have one
yknow its funny i didnt know that cuz i die before i can even touch a hammer for it lol
proper furnace
sword/spear/bow/rail all miss flurry
tight basin
sounds like someone isn't using lightning strike on luci
doesnt luci get it's own hammer that's kinda flurry
proper furnace
shield and fists don't bc they don't have a flurry in first place
flash fire is starts firing earlier so ig
keen vortex
flurry and splitter never made sword good
but they COULD make arthur suck a bit less
tight basin
well a hammer wouldn't fix it lmao
proper furnace
is dedge arthur better than normal arthur
tight basin
definitely faster
idk about for heat since no one's doing arthur heat
at least none that i know of since the 57
and 57 was using normal strikes iirc
keen vortex
well a hammer wouldn't fix it lmao
yeah but if you could have flurry slash on arthur wouldnt it suck a BIT less
tight basin
depends how much base damage arthur would have at that point
because flurry on normal swords is just bad and actively harmful
and not a lot of damage to boot
limber fjord
Wouldn't flurry on arth be awful
tight basin
if flurry on arthur had a good base damage that's workable then maybe
limber fjord
Arth actually wants the 3rd swing
tight basin
that's also true
idk if anyone's codex modded flurry arthur
on a side note flurry rama sucks lmao
proper furnace
not flurry but the fusion aspect mod makes it fun
limber fjord
Yeah rama powershot is pretty strong
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faster combo but you can charge the 3rd swing
tight basin
lmao that sounds cursed
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the best part is still the aura sticking to you
limber fjord
3k crit backstabs
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is so funny
tight basin
that combo actually looks faster by a considerable amount lmao
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also on the topic of arthur
as much as I hate it
this is still one of my fav clips I have
pp crit moment
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chonk
keen vortex
jeez
proper furnace
I lost that run to a crash
keen vortex
I lost that run to a crash
oof
tight basin
i lowkey want to farm boss clips but that takes so much effort