also thanks
#h1-builds-and-combat
loud crystal
vagrant crane
try lightning phalanx
vagrant crane
it’s a duo
zeus and athena
u need any zeus core and phalanx shot
it makes ur phalanx bounce
very good
it’s usually considered 2nd best achilles build/duo
loud crystal
k
vagrant crane
and on achilles it’s pretty easy to make each individual phalanx do like
north of 1000 damage
because it has so much base damage and scales well with poms and also 150% additive built in
tight basin
"pretty easy" is more like a good chunk of additive damage lmao
vagrant crane
and some nice poms
tight basin
i mean poms can only take you so far to 1k
without the 150% you need like 650 damage or something
vagrant crane
still important
tight basin
well yeah but poms alone isn't gonna get you to 650
vagrant crane
well yea
tight basin
"pretty easy" is like "get rd and a chaos bonus"
vagrant crane
but it’s better to have ur cast be at a number starting with 2
i mean thats 3 boons
it’s also possible if charon blesses u
vagrant crane
i mean yea
tight basin
"pretty easy" my ass
tight basin
i do love rng-ing into 2 more specific gods
vagrant crane
i mean it’s like
u started tdash
took phalanx
and then got arty
it’s not common but it’s not obscenely rare
tight basin
"pretty easy"
vagrant crane
there are multiple ways to get that damage tho
good hermes or chaos or wells or duo
tight basin
none of those are particularly "easy" frankly
esp if you want to hit 1k damage
reasonable damage would be like 500 to hit
vagrant crane
i mean i exaggerate a little to put some hope into people
but i’d say it’s definitely not that bad to hit like 700
tight basin
700 is still pushing it but a lot more reasonable lmao
tight basin
i mean yeah it is possible but that doesn't make it easy
carmine stag
How do rush kick and Aspect of Demeter interact?
vagrant crane
it does the thing
carmine stag
Or: a maxed out aspect of Demeter and Rush kick
I ask because I can't tell if it multiplies the number of hits to 10, or adds only 1 additional hit.
Okay, hit boss, had aspect of demeter: 6 hits.
*6 stacks of frost
mental fjord
Any one has a good beginner Sword build? I have like 3 Bloods
I'd want to use the special btw
lean hornet
For sword specifically if you want one that uses special do nemesis I guess
mental fjord
I'm using the Zeus shield right now, it's quite random the rotating disc lmao
eager flint
Sword special is usually just a filler, not your main damage tool
Main damage tool is usually dash strikes. Casts on poseidon
normal vigil
whats a fun aspect
proper furnace
Best sword for when you want a sword win but not actually play sword
mental fjord
the crit on nemesis sword works on dash strike or only normal attacks?
potent tree
Works on dash-strike, thankfully
queen ember
best god boon to start off with? I use Athena's (because of the deflection ability), but what do you go with?
vagrant crane
if u want generally, tidal dash
there is almost nothing in this game where starting tdash is abhorrent
and on a lot of stuff it’s at the very least close to optimal
queen ember
I found kockbacks very useful, specially when knocking them back into a trap or lava
vagrant crane
that’s nice but the main thing about tdash is that it just does a lot of damage
with a few poms and some global each dash can do 100-200 damage
queen ember
do you use the Call.. seems pretty useless to me given how much time it takes to recharge..
uneven basalt
Ares immortality
vagrant crane
ares call sucks ass
vagrant crane
do you use the Call.. seems pretty useless to me given how much time it takes to...
call can be really good if you get the right ones
best by far are dionysus and zeus
vital sedge
do you use the Call.. seems pretty useless to me given how much time it takes to...
An important thing to know is that the call is charged with successful hits, and not with the amount of damage dealt. This meant that you'll have an easier time charging it with high attack speed weapons, like the fists. Also note that for most calls, it's usually better to just use the individual charges rather than wait for the whole thing to be charged.
proper furnace
just to be petty, it does charge with dmg dealt too, just that you get dimishing returns super quick
eager flint
~~just to be petty, it does charge with dmg dealt too, just that you get dimishi...
Oh, I didn't know. Doesn't change much to the idea "fast weapons charge faster" but still interesting
hallow valley
hey does anyone know any good builds for chiron outside of a hangerover,seastorm or crit build?
i know there is stuff outside of that but most of the other builds are just kinda mediocre
azure bloom
Rama feels like better chiron ng;
hallow valley
ik
its my fav aspecct
but
im talking about chiron specifically
cause i wanna use it more
vagrant crane
Rama feels like better chiron ng;
how
potent tree
Concentrated + Relentless Volleys and Artemis or Aphrodite special is always nice
azure bloom
how<:residentzag:580097451197857816>
it feels better to use
azure bloom
and the special feels easier
vagrant crane
i mean the comparison isn’t rlly similar
hallow valley
Concentrated + Relentless Volleys and Artemis or Aphrodite special is always nic...
done that
vagrant crane
chiron has a bad attack and a bad special
hallow valley
said outside of crit chiron
vagrant crane
with no aoe
hallow valley
chiron has a bad attack and a bad special
????
azure bloom
wait are bow attacks also different
hallow valley
bad special?
hallow valley
bro
azure bloom
Rama has huge aoe
hallow valley
what?
vagrant crane
chiron sucks yeah
azure bloom
twin shot rama
vagrant crane
the special is bad
azure bloom
is hilarious
hallow valley
the special is bad
in what way?
azure bloom
ur arrow is fat
azure bloom
in what way?
self roots
hallow valley
it can do good damage
vagrant crane
it can do pretty bad damage
azure bloom
its hell on asphodel
hallow valley
its really not
azure bloom
its just hard to use with dash strikes
vagrant crane
if u go look at the best chiron build ever crafted in the magnil 6:17 it still sucks
azure bloom
I feel like chiron would be a lot better if it wasnt so cluncky animation on the special
azure bloom
and in terms of pure fun rama and hera are funnier
hallow valley
yes
i know
thats not my question
they're great aspects
but
chiron builds
like is there nothing beyond what i've already listed?
vagrant crane
it was
hallow valley
it kinda feels sad
it has potential
but
nothing really fits it perfectly
like with hera or beowulf
but i guess cast builds are just crazy in general
hallow valley
don't you only play transistor?
vagrant crane
what
potent tree
Chiron is fun in casual play, but it's oh so meh for speed and heat
hallow valley
your role
vagrant crane
i liked the color
hallow valley
Chiron is fun in casual play, but it's oh so meh for speed and heat
yeah
hallow valley
thank you
hallow valley
dude i didn't ask if it was a good aspect i asked if there is anything beter than crit chiron , Seastorm or hangover
vagrant crane
pog
hallow valley
i know its not good
vagrant crane
dude i didn't ask if it was a good aspect i asked if there is anything beter tha...
not rlly
hallow valley
cool
hallow valley
just wanted to know if i missed anything
vagrant crane
and arty atk
tight basin
how did y'all take like 10 minutes to answer a question lmao
vagrant crane
i take a holistic approach
azure bloom
how did y'all take like 10 minutes to answer a question lmao
the underworld has
infinite time
7:48 bro
south sonnet
its currently 7:48
therefore, the underworld has no time
azure bloom
its currently 7:48
therefore, the underworld has no time
yes I enjoy logic
tight basin
dude i didn't ask if it was a good aspect i asked if there is anything beter tha...
crit is generally only good if you have fat chaos special% or if you get concentrated volley, otherwise it's pretty mediocre
hangover is pretty good for consistency since you dont really need to rely on hammers for damage
azure bloom
why does bow have the best hammers
like fists have two good hammers
but demeter fists need u to punch something 12 times
hallow valley
crit is generally only good if you have fat chaos special% or if you get concent...
yeah but hangover can be pretty boring
south sonnet
shield is also very cool
azure bloom
i wish dem fists have you that upper cut every 5 hits or something
tight basin
yeah but hangover can be pretty boring
i mean the question wasn't what was more fun, it was what was better lmao
vagrant crane
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south sonnet
shield is also very cool
explosive fero cshot dread flight beo
hallow valley
though i've thought maybe you could put doom on the special (chiron) and get twelve stacks of doom with that one ares boon but that probably falls apart in practice and you need a specific hammer
hallow valley
i mean the question wasn't what was more fun, it was what was better lmao
mb
I didn't scroll up
azure bloom
though i've thought maybe you could put doom on the special (chiron) and get twe...
would be hella overkill though aside from bosses
tight basin
though i've thought maybe you could put doom on the special (chiron) and get twe...
you dont really need a specific hammer, you need a specific boon lmao
which like in theory isn't bad but in practice it's not fun
south sonnet
though i've thought maybe you could put doom on the special (chiron) and get twe...
thats budget thunder flourish(excluding any cd differences)
hallow valley
you dont really need a specific hammer, you need a specific boon lmao
8 special arrows max (each applies one doom stack) the hammed gives you 4 more which makes 12 giving you 12 stacks of doom at once
you do need the hammer for all 12 stacks at once
tight basin
you dont need relentless to make it good
hallow valley
well ares on chiron isn't good even with relentless
tight basin
true lmao
hallow valley
yeah
azure bloom
Hades II will make ares good on chiron surely
south sonnet
8 special arrows max (each applies one doom stack) the hammed gives you 4 more w...
thats just support fire but more complicated
hallow valley
Hades II will make ares good on chiron surely
pretty sure there will be completely new weapons
but that's just my assumption
azure bloom
~~thats just support fire but more complicated~~
support fire is op
hallow valley
~~thats just support fire but more complicated~~
how?
azure bloom
but people will deny it smh
hallow valley
ong
azure bloom
on eris fists and zeus shield
south sonnet
how?
dire misfortune=support fire in terms of raw damage boost per hit, excluding the big doom hit
tight basin
support fire sure is a boon of all time
azure bloom
can merciless end proc from lightning [halaxas
azure bloom
support fire sure is a boon of all time
its one of the best boons
vagrant crane
not rlly
hallow valley
can merciless end proc from lightning [halaxas
i assume so
but that would be annoying to do
tight basin
no, support fire is just whatever
tight basin
just because it's cool doesnt mean it's good lmao
south sonnet
not enough damage, plus takes up a god in the pool
azure bloom
i always try to get it on zeuys and ares
atomic forge
do yall have any tips for good hunting blades runs?? i try to do them but i cant tell if its just me being bad at the game or bad luck 😭
surreal stratus
do yall hate artemis or soemthing
I think Artemis is fairly unilaterally agreed to be the best god
Support Fire is just very meh lol
atomic forge
on the rail its good sometimes
proper furnace
do yall have any tips for good hunting blades runs?? i try to do them but i cant...
What are you struggling with
Getting the duo/lackluster dmg/etc
atomic forge
can never get the right boons which im assuming is just a luck issue
lackluster dmg yeah
proper furnace
Slicing shot without blades is eh as you've noticed
How is your mirror looking?
Using keepsakes well/knowing god also works
atomic forge
too lazy to check but im p sure ive got fated persuasion, gods pride, stygian soul, family favorite
south sonnet
use legacy if you struggle there
vagrant crane
I think Artemis is fairly unilaterally agreed to be the best god
i mean that’s very general
vagrant crane
in terms of like overall build applicability pos zeus and artemis are about the same
proper furnace
too lazy to check but im p sure ive got fated persuasion, gods pride, stygian so...
are you using dark foresight?
also swap to infernal with blades
just more convenient + no praying to chaos to be kind
atomic forge
are you using dark foresight?
nah
proper furnace
welp
atomic forge
also swap to infernal with blades
ill try that yea thx
proper furnace
fix that
atomic forge
ok lmao
proper furnace
finding boons with olympian favor is 
vagrant crane
beo
hallow valley
kind of a question for everyone
acoustic vale
I like fist lighting splash dash
vagrant crane
good beo build is fun
tight basin
rama when you get the 2 good hammers kinda fun
vagrant crane
25s dad is fun
hallow valley
I like fist lighting splash dash
but doesn't everything get tossed around?
vagrant crane
no
hallow valley
outside of bosses
vagrant crane
it's fine
acoustic vale
but doesn't everything get tossed around?
Not enough to stop them
hallow valley
rama when you get the 2 good hammers kinda fun
yeah thats really fun too
acoustic vale
I think dash has less knockback than the attack
tight basin
but doesn't everything get tossed around?
with some practice and timings it's not that bad, mostly because tidal dash really chunks them and they're likely to be dead soon lmao
hallow valley
Not enough to stop them
oh okay
hallow valley
with some practice and timings it's not that bad, mostly because tidal dash real...
wait, timing for what?
acoustic vale
I think dash has less knockback than the attack
I'm not confident on that but they don't seem to get launched out of range
hallow valley
oh okay
tight basin
knockback timing
acoustic vale
wait, timing for what?
For hitting the enemy after the- that
tight basin
you can get hits in before the tidal dash knocks them back iirc
hallow valley
i've avoided splash dash on fist runs bc i was afraid of the enemies getting launched
acoustic vale
Honestly I just use the fist ability to just hold down attack
Properly invested tidal dash is strong enough to make up for what dps you might lose off knockback
acoustic vale
^ I'm not very good at movement and I've gotten it quick
Merciful end fists is really really fun but that also requires being given merciful end and probably divine dash
vagrant crane
ME zeus is fun
hallow valley
thats not that tough to get
vagrant crane
hallow valley
ME zeus is fun
yeah but i don't find him fun on fists for some reason
acoustic vale
It's not extremely unlikely but you CAN just not get it until Styx and the run is awful till you get it ngl
tight basin
yeah lmao
vagrant crane
yeah but i don't find him fun on fists for some reason
what
tight basin
i recently had a run where i didn't get mirage shot until styx and then nuked dad but everything before that was kinda cringe
hallow valley
i recently had a run where i didn't get mirage shot until styx and then nuked da...
it happens lol
hallow valley
where did fists come into that statement
we were talking about merciful end on fists before you said you liked zeus
so i assumed you mean't zeus on fist
proper furnace
ME zeus (shield)
vagrant crane
yeah no
hallow valley
OHHHH
vagrant crane
i meant ME on zeus shield
tight basin
2:23.99 4:57.77 7:13.26 7:55.71 8:24.70
god the tart is so bad lmao
no reset beo is an experience
tight basin
i'm at 11 lmao
hallow valley
i meant ME on zeus shield
Me on zeus shield sounds really fun
i would have never thought of that
vagrant crane
its the best for speed
vagrant crane
yes
strange lark
nah its hunting blades
hallow valley
does each special hit apply doom?
vagrant crane
yes
vagrant crane
?
hallow valley
internal cooldown
hallow valley
the explaination of ME in game is kinda confusing
vagrant crane
that would 100% make me quit this game for like 2 weeks
hallow valley
so
tight basin
lmfao
tight basin
the explaination of ME in game is kinda confusing
if they have doom and you hit them with something that can reflect, the doom will drop immediately with 40 bonus damage
hallow valley
if they have doom and you hit them with something that can reflect, the doom wil...
oh i thought you had to reflect something
cool
thanks
proper furnace
if you've seen deadly reversal is easier to understand the wording
deadly reversal specifies "when you deflect something"
surreal stratus
what is most fun build
Splash Dash, Lightning on fists/rail attack, and eventual Sea Storm
It's one-note but it's just freaking fun
tight basin
tdash unfortunately doesn't open sea storm lmao
surreal stratus
Oh I know
But I'm not taking flood shot to use it you know 😂
I actually end up with Poseidon Call and Smouldering Air a lot of the time so I can unlock Sea Storm, and whizz around invulnerable every few seconds 🤷🏾♀️
proper furnace
i should use deadly reversal more
can add it to a ME build if you find artemis and already have ME
cuz opening deadly reversal before ME ain't the best the idea
surreal stratus
can add it to a ME build if you find artemis and already have ME
I pray for this so much but have only pulled it off once in
hallow valley
tdash unfortunately doesn't open sea storm lmao
thunder dash?
tight basin
thunder dash?
tidal dash
surreal stratus
It's hard to get
proper furnace
we all call thunder dash, well, thunder dash
tight basin
tdash always refers to tidal dash because thunder dash is cringe lmao
ddash is always divine dash even tho drunken dash exists, but we call that nasty dash
hallow valley
tdash always refers to tidal dash because thunder dash is cringe lmao
ddash is a...
k
btw
didn't know it doesn't open up seastorm
proper furnace
didn't know it doesn't open up seastorm
it was changed in a patch
surreal stratus
nerf
proper furnace
cuz it was free dmg
hallow valley
I shoulda called it splash dash anyway
true
surreal stratus
Splashdash is already high damage
hallow valley
cuz it was free dmg
ah
surreal stratus
Having it unlock Sea Storm for free is too gravy
tight basin
Having it unlock Sea Storm for free is too gravy
i think they got rid of that prereq because it made eris too strong lmao
hallow valley
Splashdash is already high damage
yeah when i first started the game i ignored splash dash
surreal stratus
There's a similar thing with Athena where her dash doesn't open up ME or Deadly Reversal
The build becomes too easy otherwise 😛
tight basin
ME kinda busted so they made it harder for the prereqs lmao
tight basin
same
hallow valley
The build becomes too easy otherwise 😛
yeah that makes sense
surreal stratus
ME kinda busted so they made it harder for the prereqs lmao
Yeah makes sense from a design perspective but still salty as a player 😂
tight basin
fair lmao
surreal stratus
i think they got rid of that prereq because it made eris too strong lmao
joke's on them Eris is still too strong
surreal stratus
same patch that reduced dad call to 2 bars
how does smouldering work on dad call anyway?
tight basin
joke's on them Eris is still too strong
tbf nowadays, eris builds don't really aim for sea storm so it kinda worked lmao
hallow valley
I actually don't use rail very much
proper furnace
actual answer
hallow valley
what build do you guys suggest
proper furnace
you can't get smair with dad call
surreal stratus
what build do you guys suggest
Oh buddy
tight basin
hestia or eris generally
surreal stratus
You're gonna need notes 😂
proper furnace
need to get smair first, sell whatever call then equip the sigil
tight basin
eris is more fun but hestia is more consistent
surreal stratus
REMAP THE RELOAD BUTTON
tight basin
well both are pretty consistent tbf
hallow valley
ik
proper furnace
need to get smair first, sell whatever call then equip the sigil
and congrats, now you can no longer use your call
surreal stratus
Before any build advice you just need to remap and learn to dash-cancel the reloads
hallow valley
ik
tight basin
start lightning strike, get aphrodite or artemis special (or epic dem/athena special), get tidal dash, get static discharge
win
rocket bomb + cluster bomb
hallow valley
Before any build advice you just need to remap and learn to dash-cancel the relo...
already done that
tight basin
win more
surreal stratus
For actual builds Hestia rules with Aphro/Artie strike
hallow valley
rocket bomb + cluster bomb
yup know that too
proper furnace
oonga boonga your way into a build + good rooms
tight basin
start lightning strike, get aphrodite or artemis special (or epic dem/athena spe...
then just go with this
hallow valley
For actual builds Hestia rules with Aphro/Artie strike
okay thats new but makes sense
tight basin
that's like the only good eris build
surreal stratus
You can do Deadly Reversal/Heart Rend type stuff with Hestia, or put splash dash on her and just zip around with a high attack boon
Hestia kinda takes care of itself
Otherwise the usual lightning on Eris/Lucy attack with something heavy on the special and splash dash to cap it off
hallow valley
that's like the only good eris build
seastorm eris?
vagrant crane
that heroes fight was <:residentzag:580097451197857816>
just do beo
impossible to screw up
(don't look at the heroes in my first sub6)
tight basin
seastorm eris?
i mean you need flood shot since tdash doesnt open it
hallow valley
yeah
tight basin
so like you can get that if you want but you'd rather get like
breaking wave or shoals from poseidon
proper furnace
just do beo
what I don't mess up on heroes with beo is instead on the rest of the run
the wonders of no practice
surreal stratus
Eris is a flat damage overload kinda build yeah
hallow valley
breaking wave or shoals from poseidon
so no duo boons?
tight basin
not really
surreal stratus
You want Jolted and Rupture and extra dashes and all that fun stuff
tight basin
if you get aphrodite special and dio/zeus call, then maybe smoldering air but it's not like necessary
surreal stratus
Splitting Bolt and Sea Storm, and Eris boosts all your damage
Ridiculous when it gets going
tight basin
Eris is a flat damage overload kinda build yeah
flat damage soup lmao
surreal stratus
genuinely my favorite way to play
I'm a simple gal, I like to electrocute everything
tight basin
fair
proper furnace
rod can be fun with eris always
hallow valley
whats good with rama outside of crit?
proper furnace
aphro attack
tight basin
aphrodite attack lmao
get the copy pasta
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
thanks MiKE
hallow valley
oh yeah
proper furnace
had it on speed dial lmao
tight basin
ctrl f does wonders
hallow valley
forgot abt that
tight basin
"ctrl + f, beefy, enter"
hallow valley
ong
vagrant crane
ctrl f best discord feature
tight basin
i will say that artemis atk is kinda only good if you get twin/triple shot since that gives you more consistent damage if you dont crit
surreal stratus
Rama is my fave bow
surreal stratus
i will say that artemis atk is kinda only good if you get twin/triple shot since...
Somehow I always get Twin on my first hammer
tight basin
twin rama is great
hallow valley
Rama is my fave bow
same
surreal stratus
I want to like Hera more and I was running Trippy Flare StygSoul builds on it a while
surreal stratus
then I just got too stressed fishing for Chaos and stones and stopped running cast builds altogether lol
tight basin
thats why we use crush shot lmao
surreal stratus
thats why we use crush shot lmao
true true
tight basin
trippy flare beo/hera is all fun and games until you dont get more casts
surreal stratus
It's on the list to try
I have just fallen out of love temporarily with casts and also with the spear
south sonnet
hera on high heat is painful, or i just suck at furies
proper furnace
it is painful
south sonnet
probably the latter, ive done ok until them, then die
tight basin
how high heat is this
south sonnet
32
surreal stratus
I've started seeing people say they use the special on Zag/Hera sometimes and I feel like I'm going nuts because I never touch that button unless I'm blocking projectiles or popping jars
that does not help with damage, ime
tight basin
oh yeah dont touch that button
hallow valley
then I just got too stressed fishing for Chaos and stones and stopped running ca...
really? hera was always fun for me, but tbf I usually got 1 or 2 extra casts from chaos but artemis legendary has always been iffy for me
tight basin
there is like
1 niche usecase for special
which is to finish off the last enemy in the room
proper furnace
really? hera was always fun for me, but tbf I usually got 1 or 2 extra casts fro...
fully loaded on cast builds is a myth
hallow valley
thats why we use crush shot lmao
true but sometimes you just want to see things blow up bigger
tight basin
since the first instance of damage from the special is faster than an attack
surreal stratus
fully loaded on cast builds is a myth
harder than ME
hallow valley
but true
surreal stratus
hell harder than washing away ME and getting it again later
hallow valley
fully loaded on cast builds is a myth
it happened today with 3 chaos casts
i was over the moon
hera
dionysus
mirage shot
tight basin
my last run got 0 extra stones and gave me a 2:47 ely which was painful
south sonnet
are you still running like td0 lmao
this is from memory:
hl5 lc4 cf2 bp2 mm td2 em3 fo uc
tight basin
hl5 kinda painful on furies tbf
might have to be more patient
or try wall bugging
but yeah furies can be hard, esp with hl5
south sonnet
i just get hit by them, probably too greedy
i miss the range of hestia and zeus
tight basin
lmao maybe
polar python
Achilles can work well for cast builds too, but honestly Flurry + Artemis, Zeus or even Demeter can be better.
icy nacelle
i've once again been reminded that crystal clarity is the best duo boon in this game
lightning phalanx can suck it compared to crystal clarity
vagrant crane
i've once again been reminded that crystal clarity is the best duo boon in this ...
hmmmmmmm
surreal stratus
i've once again been reminded that crystal clarity is the best duo boon in this ...
X to doubt
uneven basalt
Sea storm is better
south sonnet
exclusive very good for me
azure bloom
i've once again been reminded that crystal clarity is the best duo boon in this ...
thats cap
azure bloom
hl5 kinda painful on furies tbf
whats hl5
proper furnace
hard labor 5
proper furnace
yeah
azure bloom
Alecto is so
annoying
I hate how 2 of her abilities are just huge damage thats unavoidablw
tight basin
which two abilites are that
i know the saw blades one can be brutal but what about the other one
polar python
I assume the spinning attack which chases you. Overall I now find Alecto pretty much the easiest (or at least fastest) of the Furies to beat as she's predictable and spends time winding up her attacks so you can punish. Certainly no worse than Meg.
frozen latch
meg has the lowest HP but more phases, what I like about meg compare to Alecto is the huge room with less trap
analog mauve
how do you dodge the meg ground circles?
polar python
Keep moving and time your dashes well. It's harder if you only have one dash of course, but that's only right at the start.
And wait for the circles to appear (sometimes she'll miss and you can just stand still). She always does 5 of those too, and stays still after for a few seconds so you can punish.
azure bloom
i know the saw blades one can be brutal but what about the other one
the saw blades especially when they shotgun you
vagrant crane
I assume the spinning attack which chases you. Overall I now find Alecto pretty ...
she is definitely worse than meg
surreal stratus
Alecto isn't that tough herself, her arena is just a complete nightmare
I actually find Tis the easiest lol
analog mauve
Enter hs
surreal stratus
cramped and spikes on all the corners makes it harder
If you fought Alecto in Meg's room she'd be a joke
vagrant crane
idk man
dont go over there
the majority of my alecto spike hits are from unmodded resets
tight basin
the saw blades especially when they shotgun you
Yeah what's the second one you said there were two lmao
analog mauve
Yeah what's the second one you said there were two lmao
The 2nd sawblade
tight basin
Lmfao
icy nacelle
Tis just gets mowed through
she stands still for so long
also since there are no pillars in her arena, she's incredibly vulnerable to stuff like Hestia
or Crystal Beam
or Zeus Shield
or Ares cast even though Ares cast is terrible
vagrant crane
hmm
also the other furies are a lot easier to use slicing against
just shoot perpendicular to the wall so it bounces back
icy nacelle
probably true, i generally avoid ares cast so i don't have much experience with it
acoustic vale
Ares cast gaming
icy nacelle
is Flurry Fire any good on Hestia?
proper furnace
no
proper furnace
Zeus
uneven basalt
Zeus has continued damage, however dio reaches a limit, while that can be expanded, lightning damage in the end will be better iirc, even tho I rarely use the rail, also way better use for normal chambers
cobalt depot
Thx
surreal stratus
Or overall
both
Zeus is half of Smouldering Air (and putting Aphro on the special is good anyway), half of Sea Storm and going from Lightning attack all the way up to Splitting Bolt is really good damage even v/s bosses
south sonnet
i think pos dash works well, but it requires some pretty good rng with cross and greflex
it might not be good, but its funny and pretty strong
late wasp
Yeah splash dash on gilgamesh is stupid good
I know that
ok restarting: What's a build that takes few components to be strong
I'm checking off the prophecies and one of them means I have to do the heat modifiers that gives you one less boon choice and makes you purge one to move on
south sonnet
dont do ap and uc at the same time
there's a website somewhere with a lot of good builds for everything
proper furnace
Is pinned here
south sonnet
far better than that one game journalist site someone linked(probably as a joke) that recommended sea storm arthur
south sonnet
sorry, ive just been clowning on game journalists too much lately
vagrant crane
south sonnet
sea storm arthur better
analog mauve
south sonnet
smh no heroic aphrodite boon
mental fjord
how long does the buff on achille special last?
proper furnace
Next 4 attacks/casts are buffed
proper furnace
Speedruns start tidal dash to deal with enemies quick
You can start a cast to build around it too
Cast start allows easy poms on it and well, already having the cas for the duo
mental fjord
got it ty
azure bloom
far better than that one game journalist site someone linked(probably as a joke)...
whats wrong with seastorm artehurhe
mental fjord
Good gloves build? I have demeter unlocked, what keepsake should I start with?
mental fjord
tidal is poseidon yeah?
vagrant crane
yea
proper furnace
Yeah
mental fjord
got arty and poseidon twice but no luck
mental fjord
can you guys teach me Bow now? I can unlock any of the two aspects
I'm looking for a clear with each weapon and bow is the last one
uneven basalt
Chiron is like zag bow
You can occasionally use the special with dio for extra hangover damage and duo boons
Hera is very good
Aphro cast
Fire away
mental fjord
how do I play hera?
mental fjord
I hate casting
uneven basalt
Bad news
Best aspects are cast related
But the whole cast thing feels different on Hera
Not like actual casting anymore, you load the casts and fire all at once
analog mauve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0sIE9N7_9o
man if i could do this i would have finished 50 zagbow already
mental fjord
Think I'm going to save my bloods and do a zag bow run ... which keepsake do I pick?
azure bloom
Think I'm going to save my bloods and do a zag bow run ... which keepsake do I p...
art
?
uneven basalt
Probably aphro attack and hunters dash
azure bloom
I was going the other way lmao
uneven basalt
Depends on which percentage you want first
azure bloom
My first thought was art attack and passion dash
azure bloom
yes
mental fjord
hunter is?
azure bloom
I mean you know this game better than me
mental fjord
artemis?
azure bloom
Yes hunter dash + aprho attack would be best
icy nacelle
artemis dash feels great until you hit styx
azure bloom
if you get a purple pommed aprho attack you are looking at easy 100% plus dmg
uneven basalt
wdym percentage?
Epic aphro attack gives like 100% more damage idk and hunters gives your dash attack like 70%
Whichever you want first
icy nacelle
if you get a purple pommed aprho attack you are looking at easy 100% plus dmg
more like +150%
uneven basalt
Take their keepsake
uneven basalt
artemis dash feels great until you hit styx
If you have the double arrow hammer it’s perfectly fine
azure bloom
a really fun but tricky build is scninflating feast hera bow build
mental fjord
okay I'll try that. also my keepsakes are not even leveled lmao
azure bloom
its like a 5% diff on rairty
uneven basalt
But you’ll manage
icy nacelle
okay I'll try that. also my keepsakes are not even leveled lmao
level up Acorn first
azure bloom
yeah that % chance isn't huge considering the amount of time i got common lightning attack and tdash
icy nacelle
Acorn at max level is the best keepsake
azure bloom
Tidal dash scales so hard
icy nacelle
Tidal dash scales so hard
with poms or with rarity?
uneven basalt
Both
azure bloom
with poms or with rarity?
both
pretty sure purple dash starts at like near 60ish
dmg
azure bloom
pom it 3 times and its close to 100
uneven basalt
Now you will need aphro attack
Don’t take another attack
And change keepsake in asphodel if you don’t get aphro till then
azure bloom
have u got a hammer yet
icy nacelle
honestly, since it's Zag Bow (i.e. slower Hestia but with AoE), you could take High Confidence
mental fjord
no hammer yet
azure bloom
honestly, since it's Zag Bow (i.e. slower Hestia but with AoE), you could take H...
they have only 16 clears
azure bloom
for me the hardest stage is asphodel lmao
icy nacelle
do you even have Evergreen Acorn unlocked?
mental fjord
the dash strike is slow AF compared to fists or sword
I don't have any companions yet
uneven basalt
Does dash strike charging make a difference
icy nacelle
I don't have any companions yet
E. Acorn is a keepsake
vagrant crane
on bow??
uneven basalt
Yea
mental fjord
3 hits? think I have it yeah
azure bloom
is flurry shot not jsut a huge increease in dps
vagrant crane
its very good
uneven basalt
Well it said it’s a powershot in skelly but I never saw a damage difference to a slightly charged shot in damage
icy nacelle
what's its effect?
https://imgur.com/s1tatQy this guy
mental fjord
I'll check, i cant rn
azure bloom
I'll check, i cant rn
it effectibly gives you several hundred hp
I personally don't use it cos i am bad
icy nacelle
its very good
it's not just very good, it's the best keepsake by a long shot
only when leveled up to the maximum though
azure bloom
for a zeus build is it worth keeping zeus keep sake through aspodel as well?
icy nacelle
for a zeus build is it worth keeping zeus keep sake through aspodel as well?
might be, actually
vagrant crane
it's not just very good, it's _the_ best keepsake by a long shot
only when level...
in general no
uneven basalt
it's not just very good, it's _the_ best keepsake by a long shot
only when level...
Don’t forget the sand clock thingy
Also god keepsakes are the most important
vagrant crane
god keepsakes are more important
icy nacelle
ok fair enough
icy nacelle
i was tthinking in terms of what to take for Elysium and Styx
i shouldd have clarified that
mental fjord
attack 3 hits
hold special for 250% damage
special shots 4 more arrows
think im going for the 4 more arrows
azure bloom
no
uneven basalt
attack 3 hits
hold special for 250% damage
special shots 4 more arrows
3 arrows
3 hits
That’s the way
azure bloom
do not do 4 arrows
vagrant crane
do triple
icy nacelle
3 hits is bbetter
azure bloom
triple
mental fjord
how can u even dash strike its so slow im doing something wrong
azure bloom
cos u can shot gun
mental fjord
okay
vagrant crane
how can u even dash strike its so slow im doing something wrong
press dash then attack
uneven basalt
When you dash close all three will hit
mental fjord
thats what im doing but so slow idk
azure bloom
how can u even dash strike its so slow im doing something wrong
try dash striking away from people if that makes it easier
but with triple ur not using it properly then
icy nacelle
i mean
azure bloom
but it just takes time
icy nacelle
shotgunning with Triple Shot is quite an advanced mechanic
proper furnace
No
azure bloom
cos you have a nuke
uneven basalt
Nope
uneven basalt
But explosive shot
azure bloom
the other is perfect shot
proper furnace
The real gamble is taking a bad second hammer and getting flurry + point blank through anvil
uneven basalt
losing triple shot and only getting things that boost your special
Even tho shotgun special is fun too
proper furnace
Anvil save scum 🧠
icy nacelle
shotgun special is too slow tho 😦
uneven basalt
Yea
icy nacelle
Anvil save scum 🧠
can you acttually do that?!
azure bloom
yeah chiron bow is the worst aspect in all of hades
proper furnace
can you acttually do that?!
Yeah lmao
uneven basalt
I wouldn’t go that far
icy nacelle
yeah chiron bow is the worst aspect in all of hades
bro
uneven basalt
It’s fun
icy nacelle
Aspect of Hades
uneven basalt
And easy
uneven basalt
Just slow
proper furnace
Hades spear is fine
mental fjord
think im starting to get it. I have to charge and not just dash+strike
uneven basalt
Yea
azure bloom
Hades spear is fine
how
proper furnace
ME lmao
uneven basalt
Me is the answer to everything
icy nacelle
i still don't buy the ME argument
uneven basalt
You should
proper furnace
ME is just kinda good sadly
icy nacelle
it's 5 boons, 1 needing actually good rarity, and 1 of them is a duo boon
uneven basalt
Well you can do with 4
icy nacelle
which never happens
exactly
azure bloom
i also get common doom
vagrant crane
its not that bad to get ME
azure bloom
which needs so much investment
vagrant crane
if u practice decision making its a lot easier
uneven basalt
Tartarus ME is something that has happened a few times
proper furnace
Also you just kinda start accepting what you are getting into with ME builds
You can't deny the power it has even if it take some resets
icy nacelle
i got all 5 boons at chamber 16 or 17 the first and only time i went for an ME build
still lost because my Doom boon was common D:
uneven basalt
Eurydice
azure bloom
if u practice decision making its a lot easier
which aspect is that
uneven basalt
Unlucky
icy nacelle
actually i did get her nvm, shhe just upgraded tthe wrong boons
azure bloom
eurydice 3rd option incrwsaes her
icy nacelle
one of them was divine dash 😭
proper furnace
I don't mind common doom thaaat much assuming I just want the win
Just offset with poms/hermes ig
vagrant crane
common is fine if ur just trying to win
icy nacelle
sadly you need divine dash for ME
vagrant crane
sadly you need divine dash for ME
not necessarily
azure bloom
and the other is really good for defense
icy nacelle
(...not like divine dash isn't the 2nd best boon in the entire game, but still)
mental fjord
cant find aphrodite ffs also what dash is good?
icy nacelle
not necessarily
just following Bananas's guide here
azure bloom
cant find aphrodite ffs also what dash is good?
dont u have dash?
uneven basalt
cant find aphrodite ffs also what dash is good?
Arty
uneven basalt
Hunters dash
vagrant crane
ofc it makes it way better on most aspects
but u dont need it to open the duo
just special
mental fjord
dont u have dash?
I have arty dash strike
uneven basalt
Yeah that’s your dash
icy nacelle
but u dont need it to open the duo
you can't even open the duo with divine dash
vagrant crane
yeah
mental fjord
have ares special, couldnt chose anything else
uneven basalt
Are you at asphodel yet?
mental fjord
still looking for aphrodite think Im going to switch the keepsake now
I just defeated first boss yeah
uneven basalt
You should
proper furnace
What weapon is this
uneven basalt
Zag bow
mental fjord
zag bow
proper furnace
Arty start ig?
uneven basalt
Yea
icy nacelle
they have only 16 clears
did you mean 16 escapes or 16 attempts?
uneven basalt
Hunters dash
mental fjord
did you mean 16 escapes or 16 attempts?
16 clears
escapes
well I picked aphro keepsake but they give me hermes
icy nacelle
well I picked aphro keepsake but they give me hermes
that's normal
uneven basalt
Yea
proper furnace
Fast lad he is
vagrant crane
hermes is separate
icy nacelle
the game puns you with hermes
mental fjord
ok
icy nacelle
"ooh Hermes is faster than ur keepsake now laugh" - smth like this
uneven basalt
Time for epic RD
icy nacelle
remember that wealth boon is huge
wait fr?
azure bloom
thats like 500 gold
uneven basalt
Yeah, especially in Styx
proper furnace
Hermes gold is cope
icy nacelle
i'm not very impressed by side hustle usually
proper furnace
You ok
icy nacelle
side hustle is the bets
not when Greatest Reflex and Hyper Sprint exist
uneven basalt
diamond collector
azure bloom
rush delivery on shield is crazy
uneven basalt
But yeah RD is what you’d want from Hermes
proper furnace
Rush delivery is crazy
azure bloom
hyper delivery
icy nacelle
rush delivery is crazy
azure bloom
is it
uneven basalt
Plume
mental fjord
still no aphrodite 😢
uneven basalt
Patience my friend
proper furnace
Common greater haste + common rd peak
icy nacelle
wait GHaste does unlock RD?
uneven basalt
i said mostly <:gengarsob:1113780282760364113>
That’s my Wi-Fi you should complain to
proper furnace
wait GHaste does unlock RD?
Yeah???
uneven basalt
Every speed boost does
icy nacelle
lmao
proper furnace
All 3 from hermes to be petty
vagrant crane
not every
icy nacelle
ok then, Hyper Delivery is crazy
proper furnace
Bouldy/ichors
lean hornet
Hyper delivery feels bad on beo is it even worth doing
vagrant crane
???
proper furnace
How
icy nacelle
...what
icy nacelle
mm-hmm
lean hornet
Oh what
tight basin
Rare aphro gaming
proper furnace
Not in terms of rng but damage taken
Anything with gilga if you actually apply maim
uneven basalt
True
analog mauve
anything that doesnt use ddash
icy nacelle
as a general boon to take on every possible build if you have the chance (like GRef/HSprint/DivineDash), what do you guys think of strong drink?
uneven basalt
I was planning on Doing a zag fists run with the highest dodge rate possible, however since it’s mostly Hermes, I’d still be able to make a build but I have no idea what would profit from a high dodge rate, other than blindly punching hades in the face
icy nacelle
I was planning on Doing a zag fists run with the highest dodge rate possible, ho...
rush delivery is an obvious choice
uneven basalt
What?
icy nacelle
also hermes also gives evasion iirc
uneven basalt
I don’t think I’d take it if it offers smth with dodge rate instead
But yea
Hermes is unpredictable
icy nacelle
I don’t think I’d take it if it offers smth with dodge rate instead
well yes, but you get 2 hermes boons anyway
for max dodge you're taking lambent plume anyway
uneven basalt
Yea
icy nacelle
that unlocks rush delivery
an early rush delivery makes you clear rooms faster and get more plume stacks
uneven basalt
Yes but if it’s a thing between the more dodge rate boon and rd I’d take the dodge rate
icy nacelle
so you can get G. Evasion second
uneven basalt
And without hyper sprint rd isn’t that good
icy nacelle
and overall have better dodge chance
uneven basalt
Plume would only give it like 20%
proper furnace
Can still buy ichors
icy nacelle
^
icy nacelle
i constantly get offered ichor what
...meanwhile i never get that thing that prevents flame wheels from spawning
i legit have only gotten it offered twice
ever
does anyone know why it's so rare?
vagrant crane
idk
mental fjord
after the hydra what keepsake should I pick?
vagrant crane
but im happy about it
icy nacelle
after the hydra what keepsake should I pick?
acorn
azure bloom
damn
icy nacelle
but im happy about it
why?
azure bloom
just mod them out
uneven basalt
Take the shield and absorb the mini chariots
vagrant crane
wat
mental fjord
2nd hammer here
-special +4 arrows
-perfect arrow
-press and maintain attack button to fast fire
mental fjord
i mean what should i pick lmao
icy nacelle
useless item
ok but it took two goddamn months to complete the associated prophecy because of this obscene rarity 😢
potent tree
What's your weapon, and what's your first hammer?
azure bloom
perfect is a lot of dmg
mental fjord
zag bow
vagrant crane
just take flurry
mental fjord
1st hammer 3 shots attack
azure bloom
but flurry makes gameplay a lot smoother
vagrant crane
flurry triple is really good