#h1-builds-and-combat

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proper furnace
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Go watch cherry:s runs of gilga
As much as I don't like gilga I can recognize that smooth maim use looks great

wary adder
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does gilga have a sub6?

proper furnace
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Nah, you should change that dusa

tight basin
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it's easy to half ass it and get a clear, it's a lot more difficult if you want to optimize it further for time/heat

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guan yu is only good if you get a good hammer. whether it be quick spin if you want to build around the spin or charged skewer to special spam
chiron is objectively the worst bow. for 32 heat, hera, rama, or zag bow would work fine. rama is the best but a lot harder if you dont know how to use it
gilga is unironically one of the worst aspects in the game, wouldn't really recommend it to people unless they're used to playing a lot of gilga. zag aspect is fine, 15% dodge is neat. demeter is best fists because it adds a lot of damage and gives you a good chunking option that can one shot enemies

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also hestia is just as good as eris, so it's worth mentioning there

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also one of the easiest and safest aspects in the game

vagrant crane
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chiron does happen to be the worst aspect in the game

tight basin
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it's fine

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it's just slow

vagrant crane
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and unsafe

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and has poor damage

tight basin
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it's one of the safer ones for bosses iirc lmao

vagrant crane
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yea but rooms are rooms

tight basin
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rooms aren't that bad

vagrant crane
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a single wringer and it’s joever if u ever press q

tight basin
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get more distance 5head

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chiron is objectively better for 32 heat than gilga lmao

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it's an easy aspect to use and learn

wary adder
vagrant crane
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wringers keep pwning me on eris 56

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literally most threatening tart enemy

tight basin
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sounds like user error

vagrant crane
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yea

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but still annoying

tight basin
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but chiron literally has the range to deal with it easily lmao

wary adder
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wringers grab me when i feel like they shouldnt sometimes

tight basin
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it's like the only aspect that doesn't want to play as melee unless you're playing bad zag bow

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okay fair

vagrant crane
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the only enemy that i feel like has weird hit boxes r thugs

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i swear i’m behind them and they still hit me sometimes

wary adder
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im not saying youll get wrung playing chiron im just saying that i often lose to a disembodied hand

wary adder
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bro will be grabbing the nitrogen molecules in the air meanwhile im in chains behind it

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wait

vagrant crane
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also i think the death screen is meant to make all of ur deaths seem be

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bs

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even if they weren’t

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like if u get killed by a dashing enemy it looks like u weren’t even in their way

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when u were

wary adder
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maybe i just suck at video games

vagrant crane
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me 2

wary adder
woven nexus
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Would you go Breaching or Double Nova?

warm snow
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breaching

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breaching on anything is good

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except bow

woven nexus
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Damn, Ice Wine is pretty fun on Achilles

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a minor delay but the damage is near instant

acoustic skiff
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you can also cast it through obstacles

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as opposed to trippy shot

woven nexus
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it has the same nice range as a lob

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without the lob

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btw for Chaos choices on cast builds

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low rarity go for +1 cast?
high rarity go for cast damage?

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sometimes unfortunately they share the same choice list

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so thats how i decide

split rapids
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is scintillating feast a good get on beo?

warm snow
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It's decent

woven nexus
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This luck is so abysmal...

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I'm trying to go do a patient 32 heat run but the boons are not giving me good leeway

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for the usual Eris

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Pat finally appearing.

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FO is kicking my ass. Even just FO1 makes Asterius a monster.

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I think my issue is I'm still not too good in avoiding damage. But I might go Eris, Hera or Beowulf next time and attempt LC4 and avoid FOs too

split rapids
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FO is fun it feels like when i first started playing again

woven nexus
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Damn

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Phalanx made me kill Theseus first

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it was not safe at all

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just that they keep aligning themselves too perfectly

woven nexus
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Chamber 7 Phalanx. Let's GO!

outer sonnet
pseudo crystal
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what's the general advice on keepsakes? Which ones should I take to Ely and Styx

vagrant crane
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ely is usually iether hourglass or acorn

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styx almost always acorn

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and ofc god keepsakes tart/aspho

fading totem
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What heat do you use hourglass instead of plume, pom blossom, spiked collar, etc?

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Usually I take something like that into Ely instead of hourglass.

vagrant crane
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uhhh

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theres no reason to tkae plume into ely

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or pom blossom ever

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or rlly collar

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hourglass is just good utility

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always good on castspects

fading totem
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I rarely use hourglass.

vagrant crane
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ok

fading totem
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I mean, if I got a bonus cast and I was using Poseidon/Stygius maybe but I guess I don't see the benefit to it over other items that give more of a lasting benefit.

vagrant crane
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theres a lto of stuff worth hourglassing on castspects and otherwise

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jerky ichor eris bangle braid stone hydralite

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nemesis crest maybe

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if u roll wells it's even bette

wary adder
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stygian shard zagluv

vagrant crane
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shard is so pog

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i love when i stroll up an ely room and theres just a random eye that popped itself on a sharded arrow

wary adder
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mm

eager flint
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hourglass is cracked

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with a 2 sack you can get some late elysium items, including from the transition zone, up to the final boss

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So you can switch for acorn or something

vagrant crane
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c28 or later will last to dad off 2sack

tight basin
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you can take stuff from the well before styx into dad fight with a 3 sack

eager flint
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Oh, nice

vagrant crane
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aspho->ely midbiome well can last to dad with good skippage and short tunnel

tight basin
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i had like 2 charges left

eager flint
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I didn't know the exact length you could go

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also there's a midbiome well ?

tight basin
eager flint
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Never noticed

tight basin
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braid and stone were from midbiome well before styx

tight basin
vagrant crane
eager flint
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oh yeah, for me midbiome is, like, midshop

vagrant crane
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guaranteed midshop well would be the most pog thing ever

eager flint
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all the better for ely hourglass then if it lasts that long

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kinda agree, charon can be a bit underwhelming in some cases. A well would help

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Those kind of design things are what I expect Hades 2 to improve on tbh

tight basin
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go to midshop -> buy yarn -> buy boon and get duo -> win

eager flint
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Hades already has great design and gameplay, but there are some areas that can be better

tight basin
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or at least not often

eager flint
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Oh yeah

tight basin
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and some of them even skip midshop

eager flint
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The "it doesn't lat long !" mentality is real

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It's a common error to do at first

tight basin
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so a well at charon shop is really to benefit like more experienced players

eager flint
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Before you realize that you don't need things to last eternally, just until the next roadblock

tight basin
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and then you realize that all of asphodel is literally like 7 chambers

eager flint
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It's the same for like Slay the Spire

vagrant crane
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6 actually

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unleass u count lernie

tight basin
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i counted lernie

vagrant crane
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gg

eager flint
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there are some cards where you go "OMG infinite scaling !!" before realizing that, no, it's not infinite, it's just like 20 times and that means it sucks

tight basin
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because well items (generally) only last 6 encounters

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and if you get 0 free rooms then you can't take midbiome items into lernie

vagrant crane
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man

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imagine no skips no midshop

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that sounds so sad

tight basin
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happens pretty often unfortunately lmao

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4 min lernie entrance because no free room and no cshot bouldy

eager flint
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speedrunner when they are forced to play the game :p

tight basin
vagrant crane
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i would simply not play that out that far

tight basin
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but mirage tart :(

vagrant crane
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im not keeping anything above 145 atp

tight basin
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that's you

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you literally shoot for sub6s

vagrant crane
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arent u

tight basin
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no??

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sub7 unmodded

vagrant crane
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o

tight basin
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i'm not gonna shoot for sub6s any more lmao

vagrant crane
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its fun

tight basin
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i mean i only play like 2 runs before getting burnt out and stopping lmao

vagrant crane
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gg

tight basin
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and sub6 just means i have to reset a lot more and i dont want to do that

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granted unmodded isn't helping

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but at least there's breaks when reseting

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maybe i should just git gud at hera

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or just get the boons

split rapids
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(hera bow) should I take this rare athena cast or hold out for an aphro cast

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(aphro's already in the pool)

vagrant crane
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just take

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get poms in

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what did u start with

split rapids
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epic aphro attack

vagrant crane
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no crush on screen?

split rapids
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nope

vagrant crane
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gg

tight basin
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it do be like that

vagrant crane
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are u on shadow presence

split rapids
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yes

tight basin
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funny backstab time

split rapids
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awesome

tight basin
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get parting shot lol

vagrant crane
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yea take phalanx

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get parting shot

tight basin
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might as well

vagrant crane
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phalanx will always backstab

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if u hit the enemy with the arrow

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because it spawns inside them and touches their back

tight basin
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big orb is big

split rapids
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I did get a +1 cast from chaos too so this run is lookin spicy

tight basin
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just dont launch your casts over a pit or something

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because phalanx shot zooms if you miss

split rapids
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chaos... don't do this to me...

round umbra
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Auto backstab phalanx sounds spicy on hera, but I hate chasing down those casts so much.

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Crush or nada

split rapids
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the game refused me parting shot :(

vagrant crane
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gg

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fine without

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make sure u get poms

split rapids
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entering redacted with level 6 phalanx

eager flint
echo fjord
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Poseidon builds? (other than flood flare)

proper furnace
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Dash only gaming

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If you want full meme
Lucifer super soaker (pos attack into sea storm)

woven nexus
echo fjord
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best weapons for Aphro attack? I just want to do a bunch of damage in one hit

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also do I need merciful end to use doom well?

vagrant crane
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those are the big ones of aph attackness

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hestia will also be ooooookaaaaay in hit frequency while rama you literally fire 1 shot per wave

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it can be very hard to get power shots off in bosses on rama but very rewarding and good

tight basin
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The removing the 1 sec drop time makes it extremely strong

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It's like okay without it but there's not much good scaling options other than impending and ME

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And impending is kinda weird without ME lmao

echo fjord
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what about dire misfortune?

vagrant crane
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pretty bad

echo fjord
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Man I like Ares

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darn

tight basin
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It's pretty mediocre scaling

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It's funny with Lucifer tho

echo fjord
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also maybe with curse of longing?

tight basin
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That's like a nothing boon

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You always want to reapply doom asap

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Ideal doom gameplay never has CoL proc lmao

echo fjord
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Who is the best god?

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there are no lesser gods

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but who slays the most dead?

eager flint
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I wouldn't say there's one. They all have their uses

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Also imo doom without ME is ok on secondary things

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Like sword special and such

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Curse of vengeance can also be ok damage.

tight basin
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For secondary it's fine but if you want to make a core doom build and don't get ME it's kinda eh

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Or build reverse ME lmao

tight basin
# echo fjord Who is the best god?

They all have at least 1 good build that centers around them or have good stuff going for them for support so there's not really a best god

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Certain ones suck for some builds but those same gods certainly aren't bad overall, they just need a different set up

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The only exception is like Demeter since meme beams are kinda eh but they're not that bad

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She has a ton of good support stuff tho

echo fjord
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Beams do hurt real bad though so that’s something I guess

round umbra
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Both personality and mechanicality

tight basin
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Oh true just get hyper delivery and save your bad build lmao

warm snow
woven nexus
tight basin
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I mean she's only important to open the duo her core boon isn't doing anything lmao

woven nexus
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But yeah, people would prefer going Hunting Blades over Ice Wine

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Snow Burst, Killing Freeze, and maybe her Lego are really good stuff I want on my cast-builds. Not necessary, but since Ice Wine already includes her, might as well go the full package.

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Killing Freeze is just way too good for boss damage

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Also Rare Crop to salvage those bad rarity procs

tight basin
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i mean that kinda proves my point tbh lmao

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she's mainly good for supporting but her cores are kinda mediocre

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her only good offensive builds are meme beams and ice wine

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and ice wine isn't necessarily her core doing the work, it's just her duo lmao

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i wouldn't call her bad tho because i dont mind picking up her cores in high heat tho

steady walrus
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Ugh the adds in redacted are the most annoying part

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Still learning base hades w Achilles, i got him with Hera but it lowkey felt like cheating

cedar iris
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Priv Status VS Family Favorite?
Olympian Favor vs Dark Foresight?
Deep Pockets vs Golden Touch?
Infernal Soul VS Stygian?

So many choices. So little brain.

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Cthonic Vit vs dark regen as well

warm snow
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family favorite is more consistent
dark foresight gives so so much more boons over the run
deep pockets lets you actually buy stuff in tartarus
last one is aspect dependent
chthonic regen lets you heal in styx and is also more consistent\

warm snow
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but she's so fun

cedar iris
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Infernal vs Stygian Soul for Rail?

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And thanks!

warm snow
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For rail i would use stygian

woven nexus
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Even if Soul is based on builds, Infernal is just too flexible

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I can only see you going alt Hermes Lego for Stygian

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Or trippy hera?

tight basin
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and stygian lets you have bad rd if it comes down to it

woven nexus
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But hermes will always have Rush Delivery so....

cedar iris
tight basin
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rush delivery

woven nexus
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Its harder to proc Hermes Stygian Lego

tight basin
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you generally go hyper sprint -> rush delivery

woven nexus
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Aka worse RD

tight basin
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and like technically speaking even tho common rd (with hyper sprint) and bad news both give a 50% damage boost, you can't amp up bad news with ichors like rd

woven nexus
tight basin
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oh yeah i should mention that bad news is bugged to be a 50% global damage boost

tight basin
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the only exception where that gets screwed up is chiron i believe

woven nexus
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Bad News is harder to proc or complete than RD anyways so its up to the person

tight basin
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but a high haste rarity is only good for rd if rd is epic lmao

woven nexus
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I do love my Exit Wounds with Reload

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For cast lodging types

tight basin
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like i did 5-7 or so zag plume runs? and i got bad news more often than i felt like i should have

woven nexus
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Tell that to my luck getting Recall zagcry

tight basin
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and apparently that's a pretty common occurance with other players

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lmao rip

acoustic skiff
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I run stygian just cause I'm lazy and I do get bad news fairly often, even when not trying to

tight basin
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but either way styian vs infernal is whatever you like
as long as you use infernal for cast builds and stygian for trippy cast builds

acoustic skiff
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stygian for meme beams

tight basin
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based

woven nexus
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I'd do Stygian just to get a taste of good trippy builds

cedar iris
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Trippy as in 'drugs' or is trippy an ingame term?

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Total noob here just scratching the surface of the game :3

acoustic skiff
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trippy shot is dio cast

woven nexus
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I just like Infernal default because it makes up for convenience when you go Achilles, Hera, Beo, or for me, also Pos

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And if none of the above, makes for great nuke starts

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Like triple crush shot on an armored enemy

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And as much as I would want Bad News as Hermes alternatives

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The usual prereqs for RD like Sprint or not-common Haste helps me avoid damage a lot more

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So i prefer building up to that

cedar iris
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Unlocked the last 2 mirror upgrades now. Fated Persuasion seems like a no brainer, but is God's Legacy or Pride more useful?

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At first glance I'd say LegacY

warm snow
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build dependent

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i much prefer pride no matter the run though

woven nexus
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I prefer to default Pride

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improving Lego/Duo odds means making your core boons be potentially weaker

clever dove
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any builds for fists, zagreus aspect maybe?

I've been only able to beat redacted with sword, twice, both times with merciful end.

I'd like to try something with fists, but not merciful end, something else. Any good tips?

proper furnace
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From there you can add more zeus (call for example, and then you can add an aphro boon to unlock their duo)

clever dove
proper furnace
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Yeah

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Basically everything is if you aren't adding difficult heat options

clever dove
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yeah, i am at a place where I am still learning/farming, so low heat levels for now

proper furnace
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What I mean is that even low heat can be hard if you chose the "wrong" pacts

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Think approval process, routine inspection, calisthenics programs for example

clever dove
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what are some good pacts i need to pick up until 10 heat let's say?

proper furnace
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Will be using the abbreviations (check #h1-high-heat-strategies pins for that)
Things like MM/UC/EM/TD (this one depends on your average time)/BP1 are all things that eother require just a bit of practice or affect only some points of the run

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The tl;dr is to avoid AP/JS/RI/CP/DC

split rapids
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extreme measures 2 and tight deadline 1 are free heat imo

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but EM depends on how comfortable you are with the bosses already

clever dove
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there was this tutorial explaining, how slow hitting weapons needed boons like ares, and fast hitting weapons needed boons like Zeus.

Which one does spare go into? slow or fast hitting?
Sword would be slow I guess? Fists would be fast?

proper furnace
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Not an extra effect like zeus/ares/dio

clever dove
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can I do ME with spear?

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i mean is it a viable option, since from what I can notice, dash+attack on sword or spear doesn't look very different

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or even on shield or fiss

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fists

proper furnace
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If you can dash strike fast enough then yeah, ME works

clever dove
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lost on redacted 😄

eager flint
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isn't ME even optimal on Spear ?

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Except maybe Achilles I guess, and even then I'm not sure

vagrant crane
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def not for achilles tho

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on zagspear there also exists The Bablo Approach

eager flint
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what is the bablo approach ? Get exploding launcher ?

vagrant crane
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actually it’s getting 4 chaos

eager flint
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ah

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one day someone will use zagspear aspect bonus

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That day is probably in, like, Hades 3

proper furnace
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No hades 3 please

vagrant crane
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i did that

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for the short period i played it

proper furnace
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Calc risk carry

fallow lantern
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I've finally obtained Mort! I have 100% of achievements! So I'll do one last run

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What do

eager flint
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Boonless ?

tight basin
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Boonless mirror less

fallow lantern
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Done that already

proper furnace
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Do it again

dapper harness
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do it with fists

eager flint
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See if there's some meme builds you haven't done yet

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Like full speed flurry sword

fallow lantern
eager flint
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Supersoaker

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Most memes you can cook yourself, none comes in my mind that are a bit complex

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Most are kinda obvious

fallow lantern
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done supersoaker

proper furnace
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Look at haelian runs tbh

eager flint
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Plume zagfist, etc

fallow lantern
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Done high attack speed sword with 3000 money and money hammer

eager flint
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Oh yeah, if there's a meme run haelian has done it

proper furnace
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He usually has tried weird things

fallow lantern
# eager flint Plume zagfist, etc

Done max dodge. Plume was up to 26%
I still wasn't fast enough for the time itself not to kill me in elysium twice. Beat Hades with a minute spare after tho

fallow lantern
tight basin
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Plume zag sword with epic rd is pretty fun and actually strong lmao

fallow lantern
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Actually, I've never done a Revenge build

woven nexus
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Its more like a supplement rather than a core. Unless you want that meme build where you press no atk, spec, or cast.

true robin
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Is there any build in which stygian soul is objectively better than Infernal soul?

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Not with beowulf, nor any weapon that can be charged with cast

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Not with Demeter's ravenous will, you'll get your cast back in 3 seconds, you can be about 15 seconds without cast with infernal

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Maybe poseidon's aspect? How does that interact?

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"the Special’s ability to dislodge is useless with projectile casts or if using Stygian Soul."

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Nope

eager flint
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Not really, but there's no build outside cast builds where infernal is objectively better either

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I even think some cast builds work with stygian but don't quote me on that

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It's usually a matter of personal preference

true robin
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If stygian soul recharged every second or second and half maybe, 3 is too much imo

vagrant crane
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all the rails, guan yu, maybe zeus, zagbow

true robin
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Hermes odds?

acoustic skiff
vagrant crane
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it has 1 hermes boon rather than 2

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auto reload vs quick reload and flurry cast

round umbra
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By reducing the number of other Hermes boons by one

true robin
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ahh

round umbra
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Just the faster recharges rather than flurry cast and faster drop

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Bad news is also better than greater recall on non cast builds and some cast builds.

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And yeah, a beams run with soul that goes well is so easy.

vagrant crane
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it makes all hermes odds better

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so also greatest reflex

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on aspects where thats good

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i think just GY

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and zagrail/eris

round umbra
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But any styg run where the cast is important suffers without additional casts, which cannot be guaranteed. Makes them extra swingy but trippy hera or beo or beams with styg and extra casts can be really nice.

round umbra
vagrant crane
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luci is different

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theres a discussion

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let me find

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luci can be similar but also has a lot of differnces coming from its damage distribution, lack of safety and stuff

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and also luci doesnt do dash strikes

round umbra
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Luci doesn't do dash strikes?

vagrant crane
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it literalyl cant

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u cant get hunter dash or lunge or anything

round umbra
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Weird

vagrant crane
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so with modpack with 4 boon option u get some random 4th option if u start arty

round umbra
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Get pro enough to splash dash them into your bombs

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Very weird

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Still, that's kinda better

vagrant crane
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yea i guess its like minute amount of better chaos odds

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and marked odds

round umbra
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Chaos odds?

vagrant crane
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u want flourish from chaos

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if u cant get lunge

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better at getting flourish

round umbra
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Ah

manic cradle
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does yarn+exclusive access give all heroic boons?

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(or duos/legendaries)

proper furnace
manic cradle
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damn

proper furnace
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Heroic only through exchange, rare crop or Eurydice's ambrosia

glacial sphinx
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I want to do a "speed" run where the only keepsake I use is the lambent plume. Any advice on how to get the best use out of it? To note, the railgun is my worst weapon so I'm not keen on using it.

vagrant crane
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you could do zagsword i guess

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but plume is pretty bad for its intended purpose

glacial sphinx
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Fair, just want to challenge myself and see how fast I can make my movement speed.
Didn't know if there were some ways to kill fast without influencing God choices since it's easier to buff up the plume in tartarus for me.

vagrant crane
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u need a decent god start

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tdash is good

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but yea naturally the best choices for speedruns will just be god keepsakes

glacial sphinx
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Definitely not good enough at the game to truly speed run the game. But I also get into a habit of trying the same builds over and over, so just trying something different. Today, I decided how fast can I make Zagreus go zoom.

Going to cross my fingers for tdash because tdash builds are fun

round umbra
vagrant crane
glacial sphinx
round umbra
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Just keep trying to beat your old times

glacial sphinx
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Definitely trying! Need to start playing with the 7:00 timer on

tight basin
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That can slow your in game time if you're trying to speedrun

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Tight deadline removes the survival rooms in Tartarus, which pause the in game timer

glacial sphinx
#

Interesting, I didn't know that. I've mostly been using it to force me to go faster, but that's good to keep in mind. I kinda forgot those rooms were a thing tbh

wild stone
#

using beo again

#

+54% damage on cast vs. +1 cast

#

chaos gate

vagrant crane
leaden dove
#

ive tried a zag sword plume run many times. a lot of rooms feel not feasible to proc the plume. mostly just due to enemies spawning in like 3-4 at a time

vagrant crane
#

you can basically always get plume proc

#

it’s suuuuper lenient

pseudo crystal
#

what do yall prefer on chiron?

valid dagger
pseudo crystal
warm snow
#

thunder flourish

valid dagger
ornate folio
#

what would be a good build for the fists (curse of nausea maybe?)

valid dagger
#

Could be Tidal Dash, Jolted, Dio/Zeus Call etc

round umbra
#

Even if one isn't really unlockable iirc

warm snow
#

And/or true shot or arti call.
why

round umbra
#

Duos

warm snow
#

which

round umbra
#

Splitting headache, heart rend

warm snow
#

heart rend on chiron?

#

what's the point

vagrant crane
#

splitting headache pretty fake

warm snow
#

that too

round umbra
#

12.5% crit

warm snow
#

that's less than base

round umbra
#

Base?

warm snow
#

15%

#

on core boons

round umbra
#

Special is 20 and shot and dlare are 10

vagrant crane
#

and call 35

warm snow
#

nevermind

round umbra
#

So instead of 0% chance to crit on attack, special, and hangover you get 12.5% chance to crit for +350% for 43.75% additional damage multiplicative.

warm snow
#

anyways splitting headache is still meh

vagrant crane
round umbra
#

Not the most feasible to get, but big multiplicative multiplicative multiplier that is just short term and long term hard to set up

round umbra
steady walrus
#

Does Second Wave do anything fancy with rupture

vagrant crane
#

more guaranteed movement time i guess

spark kite
#

Using Concentrated Volley + a % special boon on Chiron (or any other bow for that matter), does the %-bonus apply before or after the bonus from Concentrated Volley?

#

In other words, do the +3 damage get multiplied by the boon as well?

vagrant crane
#

thats how all base damage works

#

except hoarding slahs

spark kite
#

Yeah I was unsure if Concentrated Volley counted as base damage.

lucid oar
#

good hammer

floral ledge
#

hey is dark foresight or olypian favor better

vagrant crane
#

dark foresigth

#

by a lot

floral ledge
floral ledge
#

holy heck eris melts

vagrant crane
#

yea its gud

floral ledge
#

i got cluster bomb

#

and rocket

#

cuz they were both fated for me

#

cuz i dont use rail often

#

but omg

vagrant crane
#

yea clockets is super good

floral ledge
#

CLOCKETS PFFFTR

#

clockets lmaoo

vagrant crane
#

thats what its called

floral ledge
vagrant crane
#

well its like the goal hammer combo for eris and hestia

floral ledge
#

i didnt know it was directly called clockets

floral ledge
vagrant crane
#

and best 2 hammer combo in game

floral ledge
#

its the best one

#

ofc

vagrant crane
#

so people didnt like typing out cluster rockets

#

and then

#

clockets

floral ledge
#

wow

#

DUDE

#

bro

floral ledge
#

would have loved to see how fast killing 3rd phase hades would have been

floral ledge
#

dude

#

i didnt even use a defiance during EM4 hades

#

wtf

#

im usually using 2- all 3 of them

#

wtf

eager flint
#

clocket is bugged, every rocket deals full damage instead of getting the -30% from cluster bomb

#

so it's OP af yeah

leaden dove
#

brightswords have this one retaliatory swipe that i really struggle to dodge. i can hit once and back off but this wastes so much time. what should i do about this attack?

vagrant crane
#

it has like 4 frame windup

#

but it is also only really an issue in fresh file runs

#

just like

#

kill them

leaden dove
#

darn

floral ledge
#

hiya whats the definitve best aspect for every weapon

warm snow
#

nemesis achilles Beowulf hera demeter eris

floral ledge
outer sonnet
#

CHIRON

#

|| C || || H || || A || || O || || S ||

#

Arthur 😩

#

Hades zagcry

#

Zagun

warm snow
#

How foolish of me

#

obviously you know best

floral ledge
#

if you have 2 hammers already

#

can you get a hammer

#

and get 3 hammers?

warm snow
#

From anvil only

#

also just call me maddie lol

floral ledge
#

ah mb

#

ty

floral ledge
floral ledge
#

hey @warm snow

#

which is better

#

cthonic vitality? or dark regen

vagrant crane
#

chthonic vitality

#

more consistent

#

can heal off chaos stuff

floral ledge
#

ah got it

#

oh btw

#

do i go for poms over health?

vagrant crane
#

well

#

if you prefer getting extra damage to the survivability at that point

#

sure

warm snow
#

I could also argue hestia > eris

#

but those are the easiest

eager flint
#

I would never prefer eris to hestia, but then again going BOOM HEADSHOT clank BOOM HEADSHOT is just too satisfying for me to let go of

warm snow
#

Exactly

outer sonnet
#

Why isnt anyone arguing for chiron zagsad

steady walrus
#

Hera go boom

floral ledge
#

hey whats the best cthonic companion

#

i like mort cuz of the incredible damage

#

but idk if i should use meg cuz its easier to land

vagrant crane
#

meg

floral ledge
#

got it

floral ledge
vagrant crane
#

good damage drops fast and has consistent lineups for heroes and every miniboss

floral ledge
#

cool

#

ty <3 :3

floral ledge
#

what do i prioatize chaos over

#

like

#

health, poms

shut mortar
#

and if you’re trying to be fast

floral ledge
#

jazz?

warm snow
#

nearly always go chaos

#

aside from story rooms

#

less so if you're using merciful end or stacking Zeus

#

but it's a major timesave

#

with a good payoff most of the time

wary adder
#

everybody gangsta until roiling eclipse

steady walrus
#

Maimed Grasp o(-(

warm snow
#

light work

#

there's not enough chaos curses ngl

steady walrus
#

Fr

warm snow
#

call/speed buffs would also be nice

warm snow
#

dang that's just pact++

steady walrus
#

Lmao

wary adder
#

and excruciating is hl+

tight basin
# floral ledge what do i prioatize chaos over

more or less depends where your build is going
you generally always want to take chaos when possible because the bonus they give is just generally good if it's useful for you
if it's late in the game and you dont think you can afford to take a bad curse or can't afford the health loss then you can skip it

steady walrus
#

Once my friend got x3 hidden room rewards in tart, rerolled, and got x2 hidden and a hp loss on atk

tight basin
#

but like fists dont benefit from chaos that much except special damage but that's kinda whatever

#

you can take chaos if you want to skip a room to save time for tight deadline

#

if you're speedrunning you just always take chaos

#

unless it's an extension gate

floral ledge
#

:3

floral ledge
#

omg

#

guys

#

i figured smth out

#

i figured out how to cheese anvils

#

buy it

vagrant crane
#

quit out

#

do manip

floral ledge
#

oh

vagrant crane
#

etc etc

floral ledge
#

ok

#

nvm

#

i didnt figure it out

vagrant crane
#

its funny

floral ledge
#

ik

#

i just used it to get cloket

#

im kinda mad cuz i got the hammer that gives me 6 less ammo but its alr

#

i have clocket

vagrant crane
#

u can keep manipping

#

spread fire is pretty bad if ur not on zagrail

floral ledge
vagrant crane
#

yea on eris spread fire is pretyt bad

#

the ammo is just super annoying

floral ledge
floral ledge
#

i just wanted to enjoy it more

vagrant crane
#

gg

floral ledge
#

i wasnt fumbeling

floral ledge
#

why is demeter better than gilga

#

the total damage is a net loss

vagrant crane
#

demeter special adds a lot of dps over the other fists and gilga is just bad

floral ledge
#

oh

vagrant crane
#

it's very slow and basically everything you do has like delay

#

and the dashes are weird and short and have longer cooldown

floral ledge
#

oh

#

also

#

whats ideal eris mirror build

vagrant crane
#

standard

floral ledge
#

what?

#

que?

vagrant crane
#

fiery presence fam fav dark foresight fated persausion swapped

#

rest normal

floral ledge
#

really?

#

fiery is the play?

vagrant crane
#

yea

#

on nearly every wep fiery is better

floral ledge
#

but

#

then

#

it has uses 3 times in hades only,

#

and once in all other bosses

vagrant crane
#

well on rail it's not like your backstabs are doing anything

floral ledge
#

oh

#

nvm

#

ur right

vagrant crane
#

fiery lets u hit breakpoints easier with special

floral ledge
#

why fam fav

vagrant crane
#

thats always better except for like 2 niche situations

#

just more consistent dps with more uptime that applies to first and second hit

floral ledge
#

privalged status isnt better?

vagrant crane
#

no

floral ledge
#

hmm

#

i might need a second opionion

warm snow
#

she's right

strange lark
#

shes wrong

warm snow
#

who's to say

floral ledge
#

i might need a 3rd opinion

warm snow
#

@tight basin

tight basin
#

huh

strange lark
#

9/10 dentists say that family favorite is better

tight basin
#

oh is this pstatus vs fam favs

floral ledge
warm snow
#

lol

tight basin
#

fam favs like 95% of the time

floral ledge
#

why fam fav tho

tight basin
#

maybe even more than that

strange lark
tight basin
#

it's just a lot more consistent considering the good builds in the game

strange lark
#

like on beo

#

you wont get two status effects

#

so just use family favorite

floral ledge
strange lark
#

just get jolted

tight basin
#

half the gods offer a status effect at a base level, which is fine
if your second core god also comes with a status effect, then you can make a case for pstatus

vagrant crane
#

pstatus also only applies after 2 hits

#

assuming those hits each inflict a status

floral ledge
tight basin
#

the majority of builds dont revolve around 2 status conditions

floral ledge
#

which is usually what i do

warm snow
#

family favorites is just very consistent
it's obvious that 40% is higher than 5x%

strange lark
#

most of the time with ps you are just grabbing trash boons to proc it

vagrant crane
#

pash dash boulyai

tight basin
#

25% vs 40% isn't too big of a deal either

strange lark
#

just grab every god to get 40% with ff

vagrant crane
#

45

warm snow
#

wouldn't apply to chaos

vagrant crane
#

hermes

tight basin
#

tbh it's probably more of a deal at much higher heats when you get less boons, but you'd rather have the consistency because you'd rather have like 10 or 15% than 0%

warm snow
#

that's 9?

tight basin
#

the issue with pstatus is that sometimes you just wont ever get it to proc

strange lark
#

bouldy counts as 10 (he doesnt)

floral ledge
tight basin
#

also considering that a lot of the good gods dont have a status condition right off the bat

#

artemis, poseidon, and zeus

strange lark
#

artemis pstatus is so good

tight basin
#

aphrodite has it but she's typically not paired with dem or ares

#

sometimes she's paired with dio but not often

#

namely just chiron

floral ledge
#

if im using eris im going for clocket and if im going for clocket im only using artemis for special and aid, but im usually procing pstat easy cuz i dash strike most of the time, unless im clocketing

tight basin
#

and drunk rail/fists

tight basin
floral ledge
#

uhh

#

depends on luck honestly

#

im not at the point where im manip with keepsakes the boons i get

#

im 3 staring my keepsakes rn and just going with what im getting

#

almost done

strange lark
#

mistral dash 🗿

tight basin
#

artemis basically doesnt have a status condition and zeus needs an extra boon for a status

floral ledge
strange lark
vagrant crane
strange lark
#

just use tidal dash

#

its not worth it

tight basin
#

passion dash and mistral dash are the only dashes that come with a status condition and they kinda just suck lol

floral ledge
tight basin
#

i mean that's fine

#

but also

#

mistral and passion dash suck

floral ledge
strange lark
#

just use his keepsake

floral ledge
tight basin
#

tdash with fam favs (and clockets) is gonna give you more mileage than passion/mistral dash (and clockets) with pstatus

#

tdash does a stupid amount of damage

#

esp on eris

floral ledge
#

esp?

tight basin
#

especially

floral ledge
#

oh

strange lark
#

eris?

tight basin
#

aristotle

strange lark
#

my favorite president

tight basin
#

the one and only

floral ledge
#

3RD COMPLETED CLOCKET RUN BAB LETS GOOO

#

JeejEE

floral ledge
#

hey how do i manip hammers

#

i got a hammer for my first chamber but its neither hammer for colcket

valid dagger
#

Cant do nothing about that

#

Other than changing the starting seed with a mod

floral ledge
valid dagger
#

Yes

#

C1 and C2 reward cannot be changed

floral ledge
#

heck

valid dagger
#

You can only change the enemies

floral ledge
#

hey whats the best keepsake for eris

#

im thinking black shawl but im not too sure

valid dagger
#

It's usually Zeus Poseidon/Artemis Acorn/Sigil Acorn/Sigil

floral ledge
#

ty

valid dagger
#

Sigil is a nice one yea, can be hard to use and it's mostly for speedrunning and maximum dmg output so you can stick to acorn

#

Or maybe even hourglass

#

Eris benefits from less items than other weps so yea it can end up being worthless

analog mauve
#

how do you build guan yu?

#

it feels useless without the charged special hammer

valid dagger
#

Or you can go for a Poseidon/Zeus spin build

analog mauve
#

spin builds feel unsafe

#

considering ur always at 1hit death health

valid dagger
#

Unless you're pushing high heat they're manageable

#

Not much else you can do without the hammer

steady walrus
#

Hunting blades pre ashpo is so nice

analog mauve
#

ill just keep resetting then

warm snow
#

play modded smhsmh

vagrant crane
analog mauve
#

with sd ur always at like 30-40 health

wary adder
#

that's the minimum you'll probably have plus even that's not one hit most of the time

steady walrus
#

How come Hades Spear is considered bad?

vagrant crane
#

locks you out of flurry jab

#

you have to spin to use the aspect bonus

#

the bonus doesnt apply to cast

steady walrus
#

Oooh

tight basin
#

Also doesn't apply to spins lmao

#

Spins apply the debuff but don't deal extra damage to enemies with the debuff

#

You get the same damage on enemies as Achilles except a lot slower and more restricted

#

There's very little reason to use hades spear over Achilles unless you want to see big spins rather than big damage

steady walrus
#

Kk

#

Achilles just feels like it’s gonna give me carpal tunnel lmao

tight basin
#

Yeah sounds about right

#

You don't have to play that fast unless you're speedrunning tho

steady walrus
#

True true

#

I’m not speedrunning but having deadline sure feels like it lmao

tight basin
#

Lmao fair

#

The existence of a timer makes you do funny things

steady walrus
#

Real true

#

Also spread fire is so short wtf

tight basin
#

shotgun moment

steady walrus
#

.
I took the anvil in styx to get rid of hazard bomb
And
I got. Clocket.

vagrant crane
#

hazard is good

#

if ur not on eris

steady walrus
#

I am lol

vagrant crane
#

oh then yea

#

it’s pretty bad

eager flint
#

it's good if you just use iframes 4Head

#

/s

#

spread fire is, well, fire. On zaggun. You just go "fully automatic luxury gay shotgun, go !"

#

also tbh I don't understand why achilles has such a huge damage boost

#

I guess Supergiant expected the rush to be harder to do

tight basin
#

tbf hades spear is 150% too lmao

#

i didn't play during early access so i'm just guessing, but it might be because casts were underrated during that time so they just stuck with the 150%

#

achilles damage now kinda falls off in ely without good attack chaos boosts or a functioning cast build, so if it was lower back then and not many people utilized casts, achilles probably felt pretty mediocre

#

(still functions fine in ely as of now, it's just kinda pain sometimes, esp without flurry jab)

vagrant crane
#

old runs r so cursed

eager flint
#

especially since you don't even need to hit anything with achilles

#

if dad spear was "after a spin, even if you hit nothing, you deal 150% more damage with attack and special for X seconds" it would be much stronger I think

turbid needle
#

dont you only deal 150% to whatever you hit as well, not a general buff

tight basin
#

it was a hypothetical

#

but yes, hades spear inflicts a debuff to enemies so that they take more damage

#

if it buffed you to deal 150% more damage instead it would be a lot better but still overshadowed by achilles

shut mortar
#

wtf is this lernie

cedar iris
#

So... Eris Rail buffs cast dmg as well, right? Seems like a decent choice for a cast build if so. Bomb buff is a lot comfier to execute for me than Achilles' Rush.

vagrant crane
#

thats an option

#

its usually more beneficial to focus on the attack special and dash and maybe get a flat damage call but you can get like a fat phalanx as well if u want

acoustic vale
#

Real gamers use hidden sword only

warm snow
#

I'd rather, like, win

eager flint
#

lame

coral kayak
compact wedge
#

YEEESSSS!!! i finally got a Chiron run with ALL of the duo boons for it all i can say that its extremely lucky Im wating to see how fast i melt hades

neat rock
#

Hello folks

#

Wanted to ask which hammer I should use

#

Explosive return or Minotaur Rush or Sudden Rush

tight basin
#

what aspect

neat rock
#

Zeus

tight basin
#

explosive return

neat rock
#

Thanks

tight basin
#

best hammer for it that isn't charged shot

neat rock
#

For Demeter, Frozen Touch , Nourished Soul, or Mistral Dash?

#

I’m thinking frozen touch?

tight basin
#

none are that useful

#

both frozen touch and nourished soul are unpommable so either is fine

strange lark
#

frozen touch is pommable

tight basin
#

oh cringe

neat rock
#

Dashing Wallop, Minotaur Rush, or Pulverizing?

tight basin
#

would've taken nourished soul then unless i needed fodder for underworld customs

neat rock
#

Sorry to ask a lot!

tight basin
#

pulv blow makes it a bit longer to put down a block

tight basin
#

mino rush is kinda useless

#

dashing wallop is still kinda mid but at least it does something

neat rock
#

Thunder Dash, Lightning Reflexes, Storm Lightning

#

Storm Lightning sounds cool

proper furnace
#

is this zeus shield with zeus atk/cast

neat rock
#

Yeah I have Zeus shield

#

Aspect is the drunkard guy’s

#

Cast*

proper furnace
#

you do have zeus special right

neat rock
#

Yeah

proper furnace
#

hmm storm lightning can open zeus legendary boon

#

if you don't have double strike/high voltage already

neat rock
#

Don’t think I’ve taken either

proper furnace
#

press B on kbm or - on controller to open your boon list

proper furnace
#

is nice if you have static discharge

neat rock
#

Nope, I got Static Discharge, Lightning Strike, and Heaven’s Vengeance from Zeus

proper furnace
#

wait no thunder flourish?

neat rock
#

Haven’t seen it yet lol

proper furnace
#

ouch

#

then yeah just open the legendary for now ig

neat rock
#

Okay

proper furnace
#

or dash for better odds are flourish

neat rock
#

Which boon should I upgrade?

#

Of the zeus ones

#

I’m gonna get a pom rn

proper furnace
#

static discharge

neat rock
#

damn lmao my luck’s bad today

#

i’ve got demeter’s aid, storm lightning and frozen touch that i can upgrade

proper furnace
#

ouch

#

dem call ig

#

doesn't really matter

neat rock
#

444 coins

#

DEFINITELY charon

#

(please save me)

proper furnace
#

what biome are you in btw

neat rock
#

elysium

#

my lord the random artifact gave me dionysus

#

okay then drunken dash sounds best

#

theres positive outlook and strong drink

proper furnace
#

dash work for gamble

#

it opens his legendary

#

which would be funny if you get zeus-dio duo later

#

or at least zeus special lol

neat rock
#

thanatos challenges me

#

time to absolutely demolish the dude

#

oookay

#

it seems as if smth is happening

#

got a choice between zeus + dion and centsur

#

centaur

warm snow
neat rock
#

my hp is 200 rn

neat rock
proper furnace
#

how many revives left

neat rock
#

2

#

so practically got 600 hp

proper furnace
#

good enough imo

neat rock
#

nvm make that 550

#

i have 150 hp rn

proper furnace
#

do you have eurydice's keepsake?

neat rock
#

for the nectsr?

#

wait

proper furnace
#

yeah

neat rock
#

nope

#

not yet somehow

proper furnace
#

as in pick one

neat rock
#

yes

proper furnace
#

can't get duos on those

neat rock
#

ill choose zeus first?

proper furnace
#

but good try to maybe get zeus special and dio's legendary

#

yeah

neat rock
#

YEEEAAAAAAH

#

I got splitting bolt

warm snow
#

gamer

proper furnace
#

nice

neat rock
#

Clouded judgement, splitting bokt

#

And billowing

proper furnace
#

splitting

neat rock
#

okay

proper furnace
#

time for the double legendary dusa

neat rock
#

did not get a legendary

#

Premium Vintage, Bad Influence, After Party

warm snow
#

yeah dio has pretty meh t2 boons

neat rock
#

Probably Bad Influence

warm snow
#

i say vintage

proper furnace
#

vintage is a free heart

neat rock
#

Really?

#

ah right

#

i do have a little low hp rn

proper furnace
#

hard to use bad influence with nasty dash anyways

#

oh yeah tip in advance for styx

#

miniboss doors are easier

neat rock
#

i bought yarn and 75 hp

#

should i do the trove trial

warm snow
#

health good

#

what is it

neat rock
#

hp

#

i have 170/225 hp rn

warm snow
#

nah
also what is your build

proper furnace
#

what chamber you are in

neat rock
proper furnace
proper furnace
#

next room is endshop + boss

#

you are probably losing more than gaining

neat rock
#

ya sure i shouldnt do the trove trial(

#

🤔

warm snow
#

if it's not 150 then what's the point

#

but also just buy health from charon

proper furnace
#

oh yeah I'm curious

#

what keepsake are u using rn

neat rock
#

i have 112 coins rn

proper furnace
#

skelly's?

neat rock
proper furnace
#

out of chance you equipped it on elysium or earlier

neat rock
#

from the start of the run

proper furnace
#

don't do that

#

the "force the next boon to become X god" only works once

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and the rarity boost isn't worth enough

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alright

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i did the trove trial lmao

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now i’m 214 out of 225

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worth

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if you want like the full meta for keepsakes is like:
god 1 to start build (zeus in this case)
aspho is god 2 (good support, example athena or aphro)
then ely and styx just slap a defensive keepsake on

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like skelly's or eury's

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okay

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thanks

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should i upgrade lightning or frozen or heaven’s

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lightning as in strike or storm

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strike sorry

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prob heaven's anyways

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it hits surprisingly hard

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also bullies crystal enemies which is funny

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alright time to get crapfunneled by the bull guy and his unusually muscular slavemaster

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(i hate this bossfight)

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i always kill theseus first

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okay

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I mean do they have a best option here lmao

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they have dem in their pool so no problem