h1-builds-and-combat

[woven nexus]

take it from me wherein every Spear run is an HB run

[vagrant crane]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18uZziGYDyVCwc-XgcveoY8MXp6Lwq0BD6xDV38cuYWo/mobilebasic#heading=h.pkvqdq6q4ms5

[woven nexus]

it really helped that i just use the arms with dark thirst

forced me to really learn about each arms' "feel"

[vagrant crane]

the issue with that is that you have to play fists

[woven nexus]

hilariously enough

dark thirst kept going fists for a while

that it became my first capped reward arms

first to reach 25 heat clear

[analog mauve]

this is useful

[woven nexus]

Fists for me are so much more safe than swords

ME fists vs Rend Nemesis/Phalanx Pos

cause in fists i can just hit and then run to let doom the most of the work

in rend nemesis i have to kill faster before they destroy me

phalanx pos is a lot safer but also a lot slower (I don't do TDs even in 25 heat)

[worn solar]

i mean you can just do ME sword

[woven nexus]

hmmmm

That doesn't sound bad at all

if i make it Divine Dash proc

what aspect would you consider?

i guess the bad thing about it is the dash strike is a line instead of an arc making it harder to spread doom with attack

unless we go Ares spec

and ath atk and then get ath dash

that would be slow af though so ehhhhhhh

[proper furnace]

Yes. (As in you can do it on everything lmao)
Nem is the most used

Crit + dedge makes for dmg before ME

[eager flint]

arthur is meh on ME I think ? Never tried it

[proper furnace]

I mean is arthur so it can't be that good

Either way it's wr is still ME probably or lightning phalanx

[gray walrus]

the best is nemesis imo

[proper furnace]

If you wanna be funny, zag sword adds more dmg to ME if you get rush delivery

[gray walrus]

playing fists without artemis and zeus boons is painful

[woven nexus]

yeah I'm not feeling it with ME swords

i can be patient and do Phalanx pos for 25 heat sword.
But I have to do TD3 sword for 32 heat so it has to be Nem Rend

[proper furnace]

Nah

Phalanx pos is enough

Well maybe a lil harder cuz I forgot you are in hell mode

[woven nexus]

those forced pacts are the reason i can do LC1 32-heat

btw whats the logic behind Bananas recommending LC4 but CF0

[lucid oar]

Cf just kinda sucks

Missing out on a lot of health/boons

[woven nexus]

boons i get

but if that CF0 is combined with LC4, then cut off all that healing options

but I am just so used to CF2

i guess that's why I kinda favor Shadey a bit in this mid-heat location. Minor damage but the heals and obols help a lot

can even purchase another charge from pool as like a cheaper heal option

I guess my gameplay just became not too reliant on obols ever since I've saved it just to keep buying diamonds/blood that it now feels natural to not buy much items

[tight basin]

You can take lc2 cf2 if you want but you'd have to be more careful about conserving DDs

[woven nexus]

yeah i'm very used to conserving it

sometimes most of my expenses are just buying DD charges

[tight basin]

Lc4 as is a pretty easy adjustment and only struggles in boss fights

[woven nexus]

guess where most of my scuffed run ends....EM3 Heroes

[tight basin]

That's not good if you're saving money to buy DDs on cf2 lol

[woven nexus]

[tight basin]

Also conserving DDs might not work with bad bp combos

[woven nexus]

don't worry nanas. I've done 3rd hermes and constant prometheus stone purchases

its not like most of my obols melt for charges

that only happens when Pat refuses to help

you know a run's not meant to be when it's near death and Pat is a no-show

CF2 3rd Hermes for the record is 900 obols

the only difference from my 25 heat to my 32 heat pacts is that

TD0 -> TD3

[lean hornet]

Will attack bonuses from chaos/shop also buff status damage like doom

[proper furnace]

No

If it says attack/special/cast it only buffs the base weapon thing

[lean hornet]

Big sad

[proper furnace]

If you want to buff other dmg sources the buff needs to say "you do more dmg/enemies tale more dmg"

[lean hornet]

I wish chaos did that

[proper furnace]

The latter one also buffs things that don't come from zag, like traps or summons

[woven nexus]

there's a reason older players keep wanting RD with Sprint/Haste depending on the build

it's a universal damage boost (except for trap damages)

[tight basin]

He does if you get ambush buffs lol

The first hit thing from chaos affects any damage source that comes from you

[lean hornet]

Ambush won’t do for ME

[tight basin]

I guess but it theoretically would

[woven nexus]

i don't bother visiting Chaos much in ME fist runs

unless the other choices are blue laurels (that ain't keys or early nectars)

[lean hornet]

Blue is like darkness/gems right

[woven nexus]

the best i can get is improving my dash strike damage

blue is all about house currencies

[lean hornet]

The poms are gold I think right

[woven nexus]

in other words

blue laurels are almost always pointless in endgame

unless it's keys

in which case it's sometimes the best room to get in specific situations

[proper furnace]

Keys/nectar my beloved

[woven nexus]

nectar for Tart

past that it's ehhhhh

is it only me but I rarely see nectars past Tart

[proper furnace]

Past that is ehhh cuz you barely-

[woven nexus]

its making my Vintage boon meh

[proper furnace]

That yeah lmao

[tight basin]

Gemstones for 20 gold my beloved

[proper furnace]

Blue doors are less common the further you go iirc

See: Ely

[tight basin]

Yeah

Ely is basically generally always gold laurels

Sometimes 1 lmao

Aspho is also generally always gold I think

Assuming dark foresight

[woven nexus]

When I see an unwanted Dio I do like getting Vintage

easy Centaur Heart +5 HP more with a randomized pom

a shame it's mostly the only nectar I'll get in that run unless a trove drops a nectar too

btw how does that happen anyway? Why does a nectar drop sometimes from Gem Troves?

[proper furnace]

Small chance for it

[lean hornet]

Holy

Last three eris runs all got clockets

[analog mauve]

lmao this attack cycle makes it a million times more playable

[woven nexus]

how were you using spears before?

spears has one of the best dashstrikes to attack to dashstrike flow

[analog mauve]

tbf

mostly just button mashing

and not really using the special because i forget

[tight basin]

Mood

[woven nexus]

we're talking about Achilles, right?

then you've missed out on its selling point

[analog mauve]

does swift strike affect the dash strike

[proper furnace]

No

[analog mauve]

so misleading

[woven nexus]

very

even if you add a comma, it's misleading

[analog mauve]

what

[eager flint]

I don't understand it

[woven nexus]

i meant tree's sentence

[analog mauve]

i dont understand what you dont and what jusan said

[eager flint]

oooh

gotcha

ty for the explanation

[rapid furnace]

Best hammer for the shield? Pulverize blow,explosive return,or dashing wallop

[dapper harness]

explosive return

depends on the aspect too

but charged shot is agreed to be best

[tight basin]

This is aspect dependent yeah lmao

If it's zag or chaos the choice here is pulv blow

Zeus sheild is explosive return

[narrow pike]

My priority hammers are probably:

• Zagshield: Pulverizing Blow, Dashing Wallop
• Aspect of Zeus: Sudden Rush, Breaching Rush, fallback on Minotaur Rush; Pulverizing Blow is also nice
  Don't really like Charged Shot. Personal preference.

[tight basin]

Why not explosive return for Zeus

[narrow pike]

How much damage does it really deal?

The disc spends so much time flying, and not a lot of time getting caught

[tight basin]

50 and calls down a bolt if you have Zeus special

[tight basin]

Catch it more lol

[narrow pike]

I tend to leave it flying around for a long time, often kiting it behind me as I run around

[tight basin]

Also the 50 gets % bonuses I think but not sure on that

[rapid furnace]

I was leaning toward these 2 also but was unsure

[tight basin]

What's the aspect

[tight basin]

Kiting it is not exactly the strongest use case for Zeus shield but makes sense to why you wouldn't want to take explosive return

[rapid furnace]

Idr the name atm it's the eye one

[tight basin]

Chaos aspect

Take pulv blow

Just smack the crap out of everything in the face

[narrow pike]

Some people would agree that you should never bother with Special on Aspect of Chaos, which makes it worse than Zagshield

I like the concept but the implementation doesn't feel very effective

[proper furnace]

Chaos shield is funny purely bc of Chaos random voicelines

[tight basin]

Shield throw outside of Zeus kinda just sucks lol

[rapid furnace]

Thanks and how does pulv compare to dashing wallop?

[narrow pike]

Maybe Doom... don't remember if I tried

[tight basin]

2x more damage per hit vs 50% per dash strike

[narrow pike]

Pulverizing Blow is multiplicative with other damage bonuses on Attack, while Dashing Wallop is only additive +50%. Also they affect different parts of your attack

[proper furnace]

I'm just gonna copypaste
If zeus shield, explosive

Pulv blow is a funny atk build that is not charged shot but it can mess you up as it takes longer to put the block up

Dash wallop doesn't hurt but is not amazing

[tight basin]

Pulv blow is second best if you don't get offered charged shot for non beo shields

And kinda Zeus too

[proper furnace]

Pulv blow with swift flourish is funny

[tight basin]

Oh that sounds fun

[proper furnace]

Wait strike

[narrow pike]

I recommend using a rapid-attack macro so you don't have to wear out your keys and fingers

[proper furnace]

Not flourish

[tight basin]

Yeah lol

[narrow pike]

Especially because normally whenever you accidentally hold attack because your finger is tired or you got distracted, it starts charging

[strange lark]

we all know that charged flight is the best shield hammer

[tight basin]

Charged flight Zeus

[proper furnace]

Bring back the +400% dmg

[narrow pike]

+200% is additive, right?

It doesn't increase base damage?

Some hammers say +X% base specifically

[proper furnace]

Yeah

Charged skewer for example

Hazard is base too right
Even tho it doesn't mention it

[narrow pike]

Pretty sure it says "base" and does exactly that

I find it to be a useful second hammer on Hestia

Or even first hammer

Situational though (some enemies run out often)

[strange lark]

its the best for high heat i think

[proper furnace]

Hazard is based

[narrow pike]

Anyway I'm pretty sure the game always says "base" when it modifies base damage, I haven't seen any description bugs to the contrary. Some base modifications are +integer, some +%, and some reset the value to N, like Rocket Bomb

Charged Flight
Hold Special to charge your throw for up to +200% base damage.
🤔

Apparently it's Dashing Flight that's additive

Not expecting much good from Charged Flight but might be worth a run

Incompatible with Aspect of Chaos
Nevermind...

[proper furnace]

Beowulf Cflight gaming

[lucid oar]

It does increase base damage

Oops didn’t read down

[round umbra]

Wait fr?

[lucid oar]

Yep

[marble ridge]

Had a really good run with Poseidon Aspect + Flurry Slash + Piercing Wave + Epic Swift Strike + Support Fire, with Crystal Clarity as the spell. Didn't win but damn it was fun

[eager flint]

somehow I'm not surprised that an attack build on the cast aspect didn't win xD

Not that it would have been that much better on zagspect I guess

Though flurry slash with zagsword is funny

[marble ridge]

I'm just trying to win with all my least favorite aspects

That's why Poseidon was there lmao

[eager flint]

that's a good way to ignore the aspect's specifics yeah xD

if you don't like poseidon sword, makes sense to play it as anything else but poseidon sword

[tight basin]

If you want to ignore the gimmick do ME

[marble ridge]

I was trying to get Exit Wounds initially but I couldn't get it so I swapped Casts with Demeter pretty early on

Also what's ME

[eager flint]

wait, how early ? I wouldn't expect exit wound before aspho. Well, it would be a meh run, but exit wound in tart is pretty rare

[eager flint]

Merciful End, Athena/Ares duo

[tight basin]

Ares attack (rare+), Athena special (only to open the duo), get the duo, get divine dash, hopefully find impending doom from ares

[eager flint]

btw am I right that the ME combo should be strike-dashstrike-dashstrike-special ? Or it's something else ?

[tight basin]

You shouldn't really use your special unless it's sword or Zeus shield for ME

It should just be dashs strikes

Also generally don't do standing strikes

[eager flint]

so what do you do between your dashes

just stand around ?

[tight basin]

I mean I wouldn't say standing strikes are part of the combo

You just do it as filler

[eager flint]

ah gotcha

[round umbra]

Neat. Any other instances of secret base damage boosting?

[vagrant crane]

its not secret

cluster is a secret base damage nerf tho

but hazard says on the tin base

[round umbra]

It does? Not sure how I missed that

[vagrant crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1143988133688520734/image.png

[round umbra]

Quite a few change the base hammer damage

Hazard and charged flight are the only ones that percent boost base damage?

[vagrant crane]

flying cutter

charged volley

charged skewer

[marble inlet]

How on earth should I build Beo

I wanna try it again

[outer sonnet]

@vagrant crane

^

[vagrant crane]

flood flare

deadly strike

mirage shot

hnold on

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B7qCbSaBgREflZ3Wm_5vXf95f8RLHwav-KbjUJifY0k/edit

you want to avoid opening other duos

pom the flare as much as possible

dont bother filling cores

[marble inlet]

Interesting

[marble inlet]

Question: Is Chaos viable?

[vagrant crane]

yea

well

like

taking chaos gates?

thats a huge source of damage

you want to prioritise getting stone/shot

4 stones is a massive improvement over 3

[marble inlet]

True

Dare I suggest taking the Hourglass and just chronically buying the Prometheus one that gives you an extra cast?

[vagrant crane]

you basically always take hourglass in ely

conserve your rolls to roll wells

use god's legacy in mirror

but for first 2 biomes you almost always use conch shell -> adamant arrowhead

[marble inlet]

!!
Noted

[vagrant crane]

before rolling wells, buy the healing item

if you can afford it

when you roll a well it picks an item on the screen to not show on the next screen

so if you buy the healing item itll pick whatever useless well item you didnt buy to not show

[marble inlet]

Ok

[vagrant crane]

instead of the healing item which doesnt matter

not the biggest deal so if you dont have much money its fine if u dont

but free odds increase if u have the cash

[marble inlet]

15 Heat with EM2, BP1, MM, FO2, HS, and TD1
Does that sound aight?

[vagrant crane]

dont take hs

on beo td2 is free and td3 as well if you're used to it

[outer sonnet]

Whats hs

I forget

[marble inlet]

EM2, BP1, MM, FO2, DC1, and TD1 gets me to the 15 heat I need
I figure to counter the DC I can just run into every room and throw the shield instantly, or let Mirage Shot so the work when i get there

[marble inlet]

Heightened Security

[outer sonnet]

Whats it do

[vagrant crane]

nope

dont do that

[marble inlet]

Makes traps (Magma, spikes, etc) do +400%

[vagrant crane]

dc1 sucks

[outer sonnet]

Td2

[vagrant crane]

i thought the same thing on hestia back in ye olden days

dont do it

it sucks mega ass

not fun

[outer sonnet]

Dc on hestia

[vagrant crane]

just put like

hard labor 1

or something

[strange lark]

dc0 or dc2 only

[outer sonnet]

HL 1 and 2 is free heat

[neat rock]

alright folks i expected to fight hades at the end of my “journey” and i was right

[outer sonnet]

#h1-for-new-players

[neat rock]

and im not ready to go back home in the game again so any tips for fighting the old man?

isnt this technically combat

[strange lark]

he one shots you so dont get hit

[outer sonnet]

No he doesnt

??????????

[outer sonnet]

How many defiance do you have

[neat rock]

i’ve got one

and 225 hp

shield

chaos shield idk if that even helps

[vagrant crane]

shield ur fine

[outer sonnet]

Send me a pic of all your boons and stuff

[vagrant crane]

oh

chaos rip

[outer sonnet]

Chaos

[neat rock]

i got this far with it

[marble inlet]

Chaos shield is fun don't hate

Lol

[outer sonnet]

Fun but sucks

You can dash to not get hit

[vagrant crane]

its fun if u consider not having ur shield ever and not dealing damage fun

[marble ridge]

Chaos is the only shield I've won with lmao

[outer sonnet]

[neat rock]

wonder how i beat the bull guy

👦

[outer sonnet]

@neat rock you can dash through an attack if you cant avoid it

[vagrant crane]

by hitting him

?

[neat rock]

obviously

[outer sonnet]

You get invincibility while dashing

[neat rock]

with the shield

[marble inlet]

Hehe funny bouncy shields go brr

[outer sonnet]

Damage him and dont let him damage you

[vagrant crane]

its like fine if u get cshot

and then just dont use the special

[marble ridge]

It's good if you have Piercing Shot

[neat rock]

how do i post my build

[vagrant crane]

but thats literally just worse zagshield

post link to image

[neat rock]

errr

one second

[marble inlet]

I uhh got epic Flood Flare in the first room. Rare Tidal Dash, and no rarity Strike

[vagrant crane]

flood flare

??

thats like the core of ur build

[neat rock]

can i turn on god mode for a bit to take a screenshot

💀

[vagrant crane]

whos stopping u

[neat rock]

the pause menu

and the god of the dead

mainly that guy

[marble inlet]

It's in the first sentence of the guide I'm blind my bad

[neat rock]

dont want to screenshot and then instantly get oneshot

[marble inlet]

Chaos in first room and instantly offering +1 Bloodstone, HECC IT WE BALL

[neat rock]

can i just ask

how does Hades fight

[marble inlet]

(Temp downside is -25% dash range, which I can cope with)

[neat rock]

what does he do

[vagrant crane]

gg

[neat rock]

he’s RIPPED

[marble inlet]

VERY aggressive. He also has his own bloodstone-y things, which hit like a truck.

[marble inlet]

He is.

[neat rock]

the cast?

[marble inlet]

Yea

[neat rock]

casts

damnit

[vagrant crane]

he has ur moveset

[strange lark]

he has a gun

[neat rock]

im gonna spam shield so hard

bull rush

i am NOT losing to that guy

[marble inlet]

Hell yea

[neat rock]

not after all this time

[vagrant crane]

dont use the special

[marble inlet]

Get it dude you got this

[vagrant crane]

wait until he attacks to stop blocking

[spark kite]

• He does slow, large circle swings like Zag's Sword move
• He has skull throws that work like bloodstones in that you take more damage when they're stuck in you
• The skulls also stay on the ground and can be killed before they explode in a shockwave (that you can dash over)
• ||There's also a phase 2||

[vagrant crane]

you mean like the spear spin

[neat rock]

guys im

im uhh

ar 125 hp

god damn this

[vagrant crane]

that’s plenty

[neat rock]

thats not plenty

im arsed

i just went from 225 to 125

[spark kite]

No I mean like the standard 1, 2, 3 sword combo. The spear spin doesn't move you forward.

[neat rock]

in like 30 secs

[spark kite]

It's kinda a mix of both.

[vagrant crane]

it does if u dash out of it

[neat rock]

STRATEGY THAT MAY WORK

hit

dash

bull rush

[spark kite]

Huh. I wouldn't know, I never use the spin '^^ despite achiles spear being my favorite weapon

[neat rock]

dash

cast 4 times

dash again

[vagrant crane]

well yea

spear spin is garbage

[neat rock]

just stay the hell out of his way

[marble inlet]

Went to get health from Charon shop and found Rare Arti attack instead.

It's all coming together

[vagrant crane]

gg

[spark kite]

Just staying far away from him and pressing the cast button is a very solid combo for non-timed Hades fights ^^

[neat rock]

what is this green freaking wave

that forms

[spark kite]

There was probably a skull that exploded?

[neat rock]

it wasted a lot of hp

they EXPLODE???

oh my god

[spark kite]

^

You can kill them before they do

They have little timers over their heads.

[eager flint]

wave does only 20 though

for Hades it's really on the low end of the damage range lol

[marble inlet]

MIRAGE SHOT IN CHAMBER 9 EZ DUB
Now do I go Pom or get a Heart (I still only have 100 health lol)

[neat rock]

DID I BEAT HIM

OH MY GOD

YESSSSS

[strange lark]

👀

[eager flint]

boiling blood into spin

[neat rock]

YESSSS

[marble inlet]

Oof

[neat rock]

FIRST TRY BABY

YEAHHHH

[vagrant crane]

gg

[eager flint]

gg

[marble inlet]

Screenshot or it didn't happen

[vagrant crane]

pom

[spark kite]

whoop whoop!

[vagrant crane]

you need poms

[neat rock]

did he

he

he regenerated?

[vagrant crane]

LOL

[marble inlet]

HAHAHAHAAHA

[strange lark]

lmao

classic

[neat rock]

NOOOOO

WHAT RHE HELL

NOOOOOOOO

[spark kite]

Oh you didn't click the spoiler in my move list then xD

[marble inlet]

LMAO RIPPPP

[spark kite]

Yeah he has a phase 2, good luck!

[vagrant crane]

shouldn’t be bad though

[neat rock]

aaaand i died

💀

[spark kite]

Do you wanna know the cheese strat or do you wanna figure the fight out for yourself?

[vagrant crane]

nice

[neat rock]

im so done LMAO

[eager flint]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[spark kite]

fair xD

[vagrant crane]

what “cheese strat” is there

the only cheese i know is beo

[eager flint]

hug your dad

[neat rock]

i am so pissed

[spark kite]

||When hades does the lasers, you can stand inside of him and not take any damage||

[marble inlet]

I presume to do it on either Attack or Flood Shot?

[eager flint]

I love losing to Hades tbh

especially EM4

[vagrant crane]

oh yea that’s not really cheese

[vagrant crane]

flare

[eager flint]

It's just so epic

[neat rock]

and the labyrinth place i got to the second maze and got the food

[vagrant crane]

attack poms are actually useless

arty scales terribly

[marble inlet]

|| Hug your dad to win ||

[vagrant crane]

your first pom is like 8% boost

you want your cast to be maybe lvl6 at the end of the run

higher if u can

[eager flint]

not to mention with beo 99% of your damage is from cast

[vagrant crane]

yea attack is only a damage source if u have cshot

[marble inlet]

IT LITERALLY IS ONLY 8% LMAO
Should I reroll?

[vagrant crane]

is cast not on screen

[proper furnace]

It's been a while since I've seen this happen lmao

[marble inlet]

No. Shows Dash, Attack, and Special

[vagrant crane]

that’s the first time i’ve seen it

yea u wanna roll for it

if u can sell the special and maybe dash

what are they

u don’t want them clogging up your pom pool

[marble inlet]

Ok

[vagrant crane]

been here like 8 months now

[marble inlet]

Same

[neat rock]

extremely pissanto

😭

[marble inlet]

F

[neat rock]

oh sweet 2 death defiances

[vagrant crane]

have u tried zeus aspect

[neat rock]

i can unlock it now

[vagrant crane]

it’s basically what chaos wants to be

doesn’t lock your shield out

doesn’t need you to be in enemy’s face

has actually good dps

[marble inlet]

What on earth is Bouldy's 2% ambiguity bonus

[vagrant crane]

nothing

[proper furnace]

everything

[neat rock]

Skelly is the most 4th world breaking character

I’ve ever seen

jesus christ man

[vagrant crane]

how so

[marble inlet]

Lol

[neat rock]

dude gives me unreal combat tips and nectar tips even

[proper furnace]

he also mentions the existence of god mode

[neat rock]

“if you give nectar to people dont expect to get anything back, not after the first time”

HOW WOULD HE KNOW THAT

anyway so guys what do i unlock

what weapon do i bring in with what aspect

the shield worked so nicely this run

[marble inlet]

Snow Burst or Ravenous Will from the one lady

[vagrant crane]

what rarity rav will

[proper furnace]

btw is this your first time you reached dad

[marble inlet]

No rarity on anything

[vagrant crane]

honestly i’d probably take rav will anyways right now

[marble inlet]

Ok

[vagrant crane]

because u have no poms right

[neat rock]

yes

[proper furnace]

take care of the cold next run

[marble inlet]

I have lev. 3 Flood Flare that's it

[neat rock]

cold?

[vagrant crane]

yea take rav will

[neat rock]

💀

okay so guys which aspect + weapon should i go for

[vagrant crane]

snurst is technically better than common/rare rav will but is pommable

[vagrant crane]

beo shield

[neat rock]

zeus?

[vagrant crane]

hidden

[spark kite]

They probably haven't unlocked that yet

[neat rock]

not unlocked

[vagrant crane]

gg

eris

[proper furnace]

if you wanna go shield then def zeus

[spark kite]

Zeus Shield is quite difficult to pilot for a beginner.

But it is the strongest option.

As in, it deals the most damage.

[vagrant crane]

other than hidden shield

[neat rock]

i diiid “pilot” the chaos shield

[proper furnace]

just stack zeus special and static discharge

[spark kite]

Chaos shield can be quite fun as well though.

[vagrant crane]

chaos shield sucks though

[proper furnace]

and add any zeus boon that you find

[neat rock]

okay so zeus shield and choose zeus boons all the time

got it

[vagrant crane]

yea that works

[proper furnace]

although you won't find zeus so quickly this run

[vagrant crane]

do u have thunder signet

[proper furnace]

you'll find out soon

[neat rock]

fr?

ok

[neat rock]

yes

[vagrant crane]

use that

[neat rock]

mk

[vagrant crane]

to make sure u get zeus

god keepsakes are very strong

to force a build

[marble inlet]

HOLY CRAP
I just cleared EM1 Megs in less than 45 seconds

[neat rock]

wow thars a

[marble inlet]

I got hit ONCE and it was by one of the goons, not even her

[vagrant crane]

with beo u can get sub9 meg

[neat rock]

thats a weird shield throw

[vagrant crane]

i have one i believe

[neat rock]

WAIT

[marble inlet]

Haha

[neat rock]

i can MEELE even with my shield thrown???

WHAT

[proper furnace]

yup

[marble inlet]

YUP

[spark kite]

||Does Demeter appear after seeing dad for the first time? I thought she only appeared after escaping once...||

[neat rock]

UNREAL

[vagrant crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1122039862263021638/funymeg.mp4

[neat rock]

i love this game

[proper furnace]

||reaching the surface is the trigger||

[spark kite]

Ah okay, I misremembered then.

[vagrant crane]

the beo shield experience

[proper furnace]

glorious

[neat rock]

mistral dash?

epic boon

[vagrant crane]

mistral dash pom scaling is so bad lol

[neat rock]

👦

[vagrant crane]

if u can take frost strike

[marble inlet]

I have temp flourish on Purging Pool, should I do it? Other two are Flood Flare and Mirage so I'm NOT doing those

[proper furnace]

demeter doesn't have a dash

[neat rock]

i see frost strike

[vagrant crane]

yes you should sell tmepest flourish

[marble inlet]

^^^

[vagrant crane]

take it

[neat rock]

ill take frost strike then

ok

[vagrant crane]

good enuff

[marble inlet]

Ok

[marble inlet]

Ok done
What Keepsake now, since I already have Mirage Shot? Still put on Arti arrow?

[vagrant crane]

what's in well

[marble inlet]

Trove Tracker (ew), Yarn, and Eye of Lamia

[neat rock]

augggh

im gonna be asking for help on boons for the first time

[marble inlet]

What's wrong

[vagrant crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1144001621584519228/image.png sub7 pace?

[neat rock]

i really wanna beat hades

sorry guys

[marble inlet]

That's okay!

Don't worry bout it chief

[vagrant crane]

how much money do u have

[marble inlet]

279

[neat rock]

should i choose reflexes, heaven’s vengeance, or lightning strike

[vagrant crane]

veng

[neat rock]

k

[vagrant crane]

yea take hourglass tehn

check every well

wait

[vagrant crane]

dont u have frost strike?

[neat rock]

yeah

shouldnt replace it right

[marble inlet]

279 coin, and I'm eyeing the Yarn in the well to upgrade next boon tbh

[vagrant crane]

oh i see

[neat rock]

oh another zeus boon sweet

[vagrant crane]

yea dont

man i just had a 20s c17

i hate fists

[marble inlet]

I love Fists

😭

[neat rock]

Static discharge?

[vagrant crane]

so sloooow

[vagrant crane]

yes

[neat rock]

i just heard about it

ok

[marble inlet]

HOW

[vagrant crane]

you want to increase level on that as much as possible

it takes so long to kill everything

[neat rock]

oookay

should i go to chaos

[vagrant crane]

whats on doors

[analog mauve]

i used to like fists and then i tried other stuff

[neat rock]

nectar

lol

[vagrant crane]

do u have the nectar pom upgrade

[neat rock]

idk what that is

[marble ridge]

From Dio

[vagrant crane]

nope

[marble inlet]

[vagrant crane]

not from dio

it's a work order

[marble ridge]

Ohh sorry

Got them mixed up

[neat rock]

damn i really dont remember

what does it do

i may remember

[vagrant crane]

makes nectar give u a pom

[neat rock]

yeeeeah nope i dont think i have that

cuz i dont know what a pom is

lmao

[vagrant crane]

???

[neat rock]

whats a pom 💀

[vagrant crane]

how have u played game without getting any poms

[marble inlet]

Athena boon or Mino Heart to avoid filling boon pool?
I presume the latter

[marble ridge]

Poms are pomegranates

[vagrant crane]

do u have a dash yet

[marble inlet]

Yea got DD

[neat rock]

oh pom slices?

[vagrant crane]

heart then

[marble inlet]

Ok

[neat rock]

that upgrades boons?

[vagrant crane]

yea

[neat rock]

mope

dont have it

[vagrant crane]

ok just take chaos then

[neat rock]

chaos it is?

[vagrant crane]

if u see a hammer take either charged shot or explosive return

[marble inlet]

Guess who showed up
Welp, time to get another heart for free

[neat rock]

okay

chaos atrophic abyssal or slippery

wait

[vagrant crane]

well what’s the boon

all 3 of those are free curses

[marble inlet]

Should I purge Deadly Strike

[neat rock]

abyssal
+250% dmg traps
then cast deals +38% dmg
4 encounters

atrophic
life total reduced by -26
then dash-strike deals +42% dmg
4 encounters

slippery
cant collect casts for 11.75 sec
+78% dmg striking foes from behind
4 encounters

[vagrant crane]

you can just say

abyssal shot

atrophic king

lunge

slippery ambush or assault whatever

[neat rock]

😢

[vagrant crane]

whichever curse u feel is the least bad

since all those boosts aren’t that good

[neat rock]

i think slippery’s the best

[vagrant crane]

probably for a zeus build

[marble inlet]

I have like 270 coin so I think I'll be fine if I leave it

[neat rock]

demeter
frost flourish
snow burst
frozen touch

[vagrant crane]

yea don’t sell it

free damage

[neat rock]

i say frost?

[marble inlet]

Ok

[vagrant crane]

what happened to the thunder signet

don’t take frost flourish

[neat rock]

its still there

[vagrant crane]

your zeus shield is lvl1 right

[neat rock]

yes

[vagrant crane]

yea frost flourish would be super ass

the boost is on top of like 8 base damage or something

[marble inlet]

Went to Charon shop, should I go to Hermes? It's him, Health (at 160/176 so don't need), or Athena again

[vagrant crane]

just take snow burst

[neat rock]

mk

[vagrant crane]

yea buy hermes

[marble inlet]

Ok

[vagrant crane]

see if u can get hyper sprint

roll once for it but not more

[marble inlet]

No Hyper Sprint but I got that Unyielding Defense one from a Hammer in Tart

[vagrant crane]

hyper sprint is for rush delivery later

[marble inlet]

Would +20% attack speed be worth, or still just reroll

[vagrant crane]

swift strike useless

what are other options

[marble inlet]

+40% move speed or 40% Quick Recovery

[vagrant crane]

take haste

next hermes boon see if u get rush delivery

[marble inlet]

Ok

[vagrant crane]

buy any ignited ichors u see in wells

zoom time

[marble inlet]

Why is snow lady the next room 💀

BARGE OF DEATH TOO

[marble ridge]

Barge isn't as bad as Megagorg tbh

[marble inlet]

True

Epic Nourished Soul seems tempting

[neat rock]

lmao thanatos is trash

21 kills to 1

[marble ridge]

Megagorg and Mega Ball are worse than Hades tbh

[marble inlet]

Other two are Aid and Flourish

[marble inlet]

Real

[marble inlet]

Ayyyy there ya go, kick his butt

[neat rock]

HMMM

[vagrant crane]

barge is definitely worse

power couple is free

[neat rock]

trial zeus & demeter or hammer

[vagrant crane]

barge takes like 30 seconds

[neat rock]

i have a feeling hammer is like way more important?

[vagrant crane]

well

do you have first zeus yet

[neat rock]

yeah

[vagrant crane]

on special?

[neat rock]

wym special ive got zeus aspect yes

[vagrant crane]

?

[neat rock]

static discharge and heaven’s vengeance

[vagrant crane]

and thunder flourish right

[neat rock]

are the 2 boons i got from him

no didnt get that

[vagrant crane]

take trial then

take zeus first

[neat rock]

k

[vagrant crane]

get the special

[marble inlet]

Nemesis crest (50% from behind for 14 encounters lol)

Yay or nay

[vagrant crane]

pretty useless on beo

flare can’t backstab

[marble ridge]

Be cooler if it did

[marble inlet]

Oh
So just save coin and move on

[vagrant crane]

well

thunder flare kinda can

but also

it’s an aoe effect

how is it supposed to backstab

[marble inlet]

Wait wouldn't Stygian Shard make Magma hurt my foes

[neat rock]

demeter crystal arctic nourished

sorry i feel annoying lol

[vagrant crane]

crystal beam

to close out the slot

[marble inlet]

Lol it's ok

[vagrant crane]

since u want thunder flourish

don’t actually use it though

meme beam is garbage

[marble ridge]

Unless by some miracle you get Clarity

[vagrant crane]

and then it’s still garbage

[neat rock]

should i upgrade flourish

or static or snow burst

i got a pom

[vagrant crane]

what level is static discharge

[marble ridge]

Eh Clarity is pretty good imo

[neat rock]

1

[vagrant crane]

level that then

alternate pom between flourish and static discharge

[neat rock]

ill buy dionsyus or however his name is spelled as well?

[vagrant crane]

don’t

actually

do u have a call yet

[neat rock]

no

[vagrant crane]

take him and see if u can get call

[neat rock]

got call

[vagrant crane]

nice

u want like one pom in it

don’t wait for full call though

[neat rock]

okay

[vagrant crane]

just use it when you get a bar

[neat rock]

well meg was easy

LMAO

not even slightly difficult

[marble inlet]

OUCH
Messed up and lost a DD to lernie

[marble ridge]

She always is. Alecto sucks tho

[marble inlet]

Oh well

[marble ridge]

Rip

[marble inlet]

Still have 2

[marble ridge]

I always just Meg Lernie in the last phase

[marble inlet]

.. I guess I could've done that xD

[vagrant crane]

only if u get 2 spindles

wait

but this is beo

last phase should be less than a second long

[neat rock]

pom or hermes

prolly pom

[marble inlet]

I fudged up

[vagrant crane]

hermes

[neat rock]

oh

k

[marble ridge]

Yeah Hermes

[marble inlet]

Should I switch Keepsake or keep Hourglass

[vagrant crane]

see if u can get hyper sprint or more dashes

[neat rock]

should i always choose hermes lol

[vagrant crane]

into ely?

[neat rock]

ok

[marble inlet]

Yea

[vagrant crane]

keep hourglass

[marble inlet]

Ok

[vagrant crane]

switch to acorn for dad

[marble inlet]

Purge Ravenous Will?

Only gives +40 coin

[vagrant crane]

nah

no reason to

[marble inlet]

Ok

[vagrant crane]

unless ur broke

[marble inlet]

16 chambers of Ignited Ichor YES PLEASE

I have 1 coin

Lmao

[vagrant crane]

gg

maybe sell it then

if ur mega broke

[marble inlet]

Too late

Hermes or Hammer

I presume Hermes

[marble ridge]

I'd do Hammer personally

[marble inlet]

I don't have Hyper Sprint/Rush Delievery yet tho

[marble ridge]

Where are you?

[neat rock]

zeus or athena

[marble inlet]

Just got into Ely

[neat rock]

gonna choose zeus

[vagrant crane]

u have epic haste

[marble inlet]

Yea

[vagrant crane]

epic haste epic rd is common rd with sprint at home

and ichor makes it better

[marble inlet]

So take Hermes and pray for RD?

[vagrant crane]

yea get more

double strike is rlly good

[vagrant crane]

yep

[marble inlet]

K

[neat rock]

heyy okay

thunder dash

double strike

cold fusion

double strike anyway?

[marble inlet]

HERMES HAS A VOICELINE ACKNOWLEDGING THE HOURGLASS

Uhhh do I reroll for RD. Main options are 10% dodge chance or +1 dash

Ignoring increased Special speed

[neat rock]

okay i chose double strike

[marble inlet]

Good one

[neat rock]

now i met eurydice

[marble inlet]

Yayy

[neat rock]

which one should i choose

👦

[marble inlet]

I love her tunes so much

[marble ridge]

The amount of detail put into this game is incredible

[marble inlet]

Ikr

[vagrant crane]

dash is fine

[marble inlet]

Ok

[vagrant crane]

poms

u have a lot of stuff u want to pom rn

[neat rock]

hmmm

charon or hermes or centaurs

i have 260 coins

[marble inlet]

Got Poseiden
Special, Aid, or Rupture?

All rare

[marble ridge]

Aid

[marble inlet]

I think you're probably at the end of the thing before Lernie, so probably Charon?

[marble ridge]

Poseidon has the best aid IMO

[marble inlet]

Wait yea, cus the enemies die before the Rupture would matter lmao

[neat rock]

damn i got a random boon and i got poseidons lol

should i choose boiling point or tidal dash or sunken

[marble ridge]

Poseidon for everyone ig

[marble inlet]

Hammer or $ i got 160 left

[neat rock]

i always love the hammer

[vagrant crane]

rupture

[vagrant crane]

def not

it ruins ur dps on beo

and is just like pretty bad

[marble inlet]

Too late aaa

[vagrant crane]

just don’t use it then

[vagrant crane]

tdash

[marble ridge]

Fair, but it doesn't really need any effort on builds to work unlike Zeus

[vagrant crane]

not really

zeus doesn’t need much

[marble ridge]

It's maybe not the best I just kinda exaggerate tbh

[vagrant crane]

just like 1 pom and you’re gold

pos locks you out from dealing actually good damage to instead deal mediocre damage

granted all calls are bad on beo other than dad call

[marble ridge]

I just like not being able to die for a solid thirty seconds tbh

[vagrant crane]

[marble ridge]

totally not bad at this game or anything

[marble inlet]

Pom or Hammer
Flood Flare is like level 6

[vagrant crane]

hammer

see if u can get charged shot

[marble inlet]

Ok

[marble ridge]

Seconding hammer

[neat rock]

i lost 2 death defiances

damnit

[vagrant crane]

if not sudden rush

[marble ridge]

Charged Shot just tears the game open

[neat rock]

how am i this bad

en

rn

[marble inlet]

Noooo

[vagrant crane]

you’ll figure it out

[marble inlet]

Got Sudden Rush or two ones relating to Special

[vagrant crane]

i was once a young gamer who thought arthur was good

[vagrant crane]

sudden rush

[marble ridge]

Sudden Rush

[marble inlet]

Ok

[marble ridge]

Second best after CS

[marble inlet]

I have 4 rerolls and still down one DD, and 332 coin. Reroll Pool for DD restore?

[neat rock]

which boon should i upgrade
got frost strike
thunder flourish
snow burst

all level 2

[marble inlet]

Just once tho

[marble ridge]

You basically have no reason to use Beo special

[vagrant crane]

thunder flourish

[marble inlet]

Yea. Windup time sucks

[vagrant crane]

roll well for other stuff and take dd if u want

[neat rock]

should i go for pom again or hammer

[vagrant crane]

you want braid of atlas or prometheus stone primarily

[neat rock]

i really want the hammer this time lmao

[vagrant crane]

hammer

[marble inlet]

Didn't get it :[

[vagrant crane]

what else is there

basically roll every well you see once

if you still have 3 rolls

[neat rock]

woah minotaur rush??

[vagrant crane]

it sucks

don’t take it

[neat rock]

theres minotaur rush sudden rush and empowering

[vagrant crane]

sudden rush

[neat rock]

thought it would be awesome

[marble inlet]

Got some health stuff, another Ichor (the first one hasn't run out yet)
And like 16 chambers of extra Aid charge

[vagrant crane]

no it’s bad

yea that well is whatever ig

[marble inlet]

Do I take Athena boon in Charon final shop to try for Replacement DD

[vagrant crane]

why not

go for it

[marble inlet]

K

Got it

[vagrant crane]

your damage is good enough anyways if u have lvl6 epic flare and a grasp

[marble ridge]

Ah yes. The other use for Athena after DDash

[marble inlet]

LITERALLY

[vagrant crane]

id call it garbo but speedrunner standards r a little high

fine for most purposes

[neat rock]

should i go for charon or poseidon

[vagrant crane]

charon

[neat rock]

got 111 coins

[marble ridge]

Eh in that case Poseidon

[vagrant crane]

see if u can buy a pom

[marble inlet]

NOOO
I messed up my Meg and it missed both of them cus they moved

[vagrant crane]

what can pos give u tho

[marble inlet]

😭😭

[vagrant crane]

beaver i guess

[neat rock]

idk

[vagrant crane]

pom would be better

[neat rock]

havent chosen yet

ok

hope i get pom

[vagrant crane]

and it’s still a skip

[neat rock]

got a pom

sweet

awman theres a zeus boon for 150 coins

anyway

[marble ridge]

I just feel bad when I can't buy from Charon lmao

[vagrant crane]

gg

[marble inlet]

Got em done

[neat rock]

should i upgrade double strike?

[marble inlet]

Rip heros

[vagrant crane]

pom static discharge if it’s on the screen

[neat rock]

not there

[vagrant crane]

double strike is fine if it’s not

[neat rock]

frost double and snow burst

aight

thank u man

[marble inlet]

Purge Clean Kill?

[neat rock]

:o
hammer or trial poseidon + aphrodite

[marble ridge]

Also new server nickname just dropped

[marble inlet]

Kool

[vagrant crane]

hammer

[vagrant crane]

what rarity

[marble ridge]

Darn I misspelled it

[marble inlet]

Aphro trial sucks

[marble inlet]

N/A

[vagrant crane]

i mean purge anyway ig

useless boon

[marble inlet]

Mhm

[marble ridge]

Artemis boons are always either absolute fire or complete garbage

[marble inlet]

Literally only a 15% bonus

[neat rock]

charged or empowering or pulverizing

[vagrant crane]

charged shot

best shield hammer by far

[tight basin]

Charged flight

[vagrant crane]

cflight zeus

[tight basin]

Oh it's Zeus

I didn't read lmao

[marble ridge]

I'd argue that CShot is the best Hammer in general

[neat rock]

imma go eat