I gotchu
#h1-builds-and-combat
vagrant crane
outer sonnet
Curse of vengeance
Dio aph duo and dio area duo
Bestest worstest buildest
Its fun but its not op or anything
vagrant crane
it's chiron
vagrant crane
how fun
eager flint
I'm trying this chiron build on my current run, but I ragequitted because I got my god pool filled in tartarus u_u
outer sonnet
I'm trying this chiron build on my current run, but I ragequitted because I got ...
The one I mentioned?
eager flint
yeah
outer sonnet
You using god keepsakes?
outer sonnet
Are you taking the least amount of gods as possible
outer sonnet
Oh
eager flint
couldn't avoid demeter nor athena
outer sonnet
You can still force aph
vagrant crane
just force aph in aspho
eager flint
Yeah I'l do that, but I'm grumpy
eager flint
anywho, I came here because I just saw Haelian's latest video and he mentionned the ramping damage from luci is bait, how so ?
Like, it deals some bonker damage
vagrant crane
Like, it deals some bonker damage
not rlly
zeus attack will always overshadow it
and deal more
outer sonnet
Rahh
outer sonnet
@vagrant crane name a fun and good beo build that isnt the one you use
vagrant crane
thats the only beo build
tight basin
SLICING FLARE WOOOOOOO
vagrant crane
they dont make other ones
tight basin
Or like pststus passion flare
outer sonnet
they dont make other ones
Damn
tight basin
i mean the ramp up damage isn't bad, it's just that you'd rather have zeus attack
losing the ramp up damage is laos kinda pointless considering you special when you reload
vagrant crane
losing the ramp up damage is laos kinda pointless considering you special when y...
laos
tight basin
Huh where'd that come from lmao
untold mauve
To be fair darkness build on Beowulf really just works
Because you need Poseidon anyways
untold mauve
But I did run flood on my sub 18 and it was very good
tight basin
it's the best cast for beowulf
untold mauve
Ended up with 5 casts by dad
tight basin
opens up mirage shot
untold mauve
You can't get it with hunters?
untold mauve
Oh
tight basin
turns out hitting through walls is good
untold mauve
Yeah always good to do that
eager flint
Isn't crit less useful on cast too ? Since you don't have many additive damage modifiers. Just the universal ones and eventual chaos/well.
Though I imagine even a simple hyper delivery might already make critting interesting
idk
echo fjord
Found a setup I like a lot, Aspect Of Charon + Thunder Flourish
vagrant crane
only procs once
echo fjord
Wdym?
vagrant crane
it wont do a bolt for each arrow
itll only do one bolt
two if you angle it weird
echo fjord
But it did though
vagrant crane
it has a 0.2s cooldown
vagrant crane
idkman i dont touch chiron
echo fjord
Ok I want to use thunder flourish, what weapon?
vagrant crane
zeus shield
echo fjord
idkman i dont touch chiron
Also how come?
echo fjord
Wdym it has some of the best dps?
vagrant crane
???
echo fjord
Did you upgrade it?
echo fjord
Maybe I have been gaslit into using it
vagrant crane
yep
echo fjord
Zeus boons are my favorite, any suggestions?
echo fjord
Which fist?
eager flint
Or just use call
vagrant crane
all of them
eager flint
All of them
vagrant crane
dont use gilga though its mega garbo
down there with chiron
one of the worst aspects
eager flint
I mean
echo fjord
I sometimes use it when I fish for legendary Dionysus
eager flint
Damage wise yes
eager flint
Yeah but you can have fun with it anyway
eager flint
Different strokes for different folks
vagrant crane
but i dont recommend getting attached to it if you're not already
eager flint
Oh yeah
echo fjord
I want to use lightning always forever
eager flint
Especially if you look into high heat or speedrun
echo fjord
Just 10,000 volts right into me
eager flint
echo fjord
I like thunderbolts the most
Anything that will strike lightning
The flourish, dash, call, anything
I’m a big fan of the Zeus/Poseidon Duo Boon
Is Zeus shield the best thunderbolt option?
vagrant crane
eris is
echo fjord
Really?
vagrant crane
yea
echo fjord
I thought you said Zeus attack
woven nexus
btw how does rarity affect Lego and Duo chances?
like the ones with skull emblems showing off higher rarity chances
or using Eurydice 3rd choice or the Pool item that increases rarity?
narrow pike
Rarity boosts with no effect on Duo / Lego: Mirror (Rare % / Epic %), miniboss rooms. Other rarity boosts have hidden +10% for Duo / Lego: keepsakes, Chaos, Eurydice, Yarn of Ariadne.
Actually, folks here say that minibosses decrease Duo / Lego from 12% to 10%
Minibosses preferred for regular Rare / Epic
vagrant crane
like the ones with skull emblems showing off higher rarity chances
miniboss decreases lego duo from 12 to 10
vagrant crane
doesn’t really matter tho
woven nexus
but for me the extra help for lego/duos are what i like more
narrow pike
Oh, Exclusive Access also boosts Duo / Lego
vagrant crane
if you’re on ME or beo
vagrant crane
Oh, Exclusive Access also boosts Duo / Lego
nope
narrow pike
Oh rly? Huh
In any case, all those rarity boosts stack. I've had runs with so many rarity boosts that Duos / Legos were showing right and left even when I didn't want them
vagrant crane
ones enough for the most part
woven nexus
Damn, this is fun. Using Doom Fists with T.Dash laced with Rupture
so after a single dash strike, they're injured hard
doesn't help that i got the Hammer boon that makes dash strikes hit harder and an epic chaos boon for Attack
narrow pike
I was under the impression that Exclusive Access provides a boost but maybe I deluded myself, can't recall the source
vagrant crane
I was under the impression that Exclusive Access provides a boost but maybe I de...
it doesn’t
on the wiki there’s a mini rant about it
woven nexus
and here i was still thinking that my initial assumption on my first experiences with Eurydice that the 1st option is the best one if your chances of hitting your primary boon DPS are good
didn't get the value of higher rarity future boons until now
vagrant crane
it comes right when you’re getting your hermes
vagrant crane
so you don’t waste a charge on sprint
and it only upgrades RD so your other two charges go to hopefully useful things
woven nexus
all that prepwork for RD high rarity
and yet getting Sprint or Movement Speed boon from Hermes is not exactly easy
even with 1 reroll
vagrant crane
i just reset for it
woven nexus
hahahha
narrow pike
Also by the time you find Eurydice, you're often looking for some Duos you've already set up
BTW, convenient ways to reset the seed without mods or dying?
narrow pike
I've had some weirdness where if you change rooms in the House of Hades (and see the save icon), seed changes sometimes? Not sure
vagrant crane
shouldn’t be possible or else playing routed would suck even more
woven nexus
ok this is interesting. I'm skipping Sprint since RD is no longer a thing for this run
but here's the interesting part
Rare Reflex
or Rare Swift Strike
Reflex helps generally
And I have T.Dash with Rupture boon
vagrant crane
always reflex
woven nexus
Rare Strike helps proc Cutter a lot
vagrant crane
swift strike is mega garbo
woven nexus
Reflex it is
woven nexus
believe me it's carrying a lot of my damage
narrow pike
It depends on your weapon and dash. Some builds really like spamming dashes, some care less. On cast builds I often prioritize Quick Reload or Flurry Cast over mobility options. But having at least one mobility option is very nice for the last boss
Rare/Epic Greatest Reflex is a top tier pick for almost anything
vagrant crane
no rd on cast build is sad
narrow pike
If first Hermes gives HS and second Hermes gives RD, then great. But QR on cast builds is almost as good
warm snow
Rare/Epic Greatest Reflex is a top tier pick for almost anything
only on fists or on sword ME builds
otherwise my muscle memory doesn't utilize it
narrow pike
In particular, on Achilles, I would prioritize QR over HS/RD when using lodging casts
woven nexus
Beo is the only cast build where Hermes' cast boons are useless
vagrant crane
you can’t get them
woven nexus
you can’t get them
damn
no wonder Beo's considered one of the best
thinning out Hermes like that
vagrant crane
yea it’s nice
makes hard resetting for rd not too bad
on other stuff u gotta cope with dashes or something and i’m just not down with that
unless it’s achilles
narrow pike
The most insulting thing about Swift Strike is that it doesn't affect charge time from dash strike
If it did, it could be kinda pickable on Rama and maybe Zagbow if Rare or Epic
Without that, even on Epic, it's barely a cope pick and basically sellable in a Purging Pool
I keep it when using Fists or Flurry Shot bow or non-Hestia Rail, and that's about it
warm snow
sucks on flurry bow as well lol
lean hornet
Epic swift is great on Arthur though
narrow pike
Hmm forgot about that one
vagrant crane
sucks on flurry bow as well lol
people like it on hera
vagrant crane
Epic swift is great on Arthur though
doesn’t rlly do much
doesn’t affect dash strikes
narrow pike
On Excalibur you can really feel it, and what's the point of using Excalibur if you gonna dash-strike
vagrant crane
because someone is forcing you to play arthur and you want to do it in the least horrendously slow way possible
narrow pike
Well yeah, you do that once for prophecy reasons if you don't like Excalibur
If you like playing it, then you like Epic Swift Strike
vagrant crane
i mean i enjoy it sometimes
controls a lot differently to the other swords cause u just hold the attack button
narrow pike
Wait, it auto-attacks? Didn't know that
vagrant crane
on dash strike
it has attack storage so you can dash between the standing strike combo but that means if you hold attack and press dash it’ll auto dash strike
and also let you put out a lot faster dash strikes
narrow pike
🤔
woven nexus
interestingly, in hindsight, I almost quit Hades.
vagrant crane
i nearly did
woven nexus
felt like as a roguelite, it was pretty shallow on mixes and choices
vagrant crane
when i tried to do no reset hestia
woven nexus
until....they finally started introducing Aspects
vagrant crane
it was so miserable
woven nexus
and THEN the codex unlock taught me prereqs for insane boons
pre-Aspect it was really weak impressions. But as a long-time roguelite player, I gave it a lot of time to slow burn me since i know it's keeping some stuff hidden still
woven nexus
Chamber 8 Hunting Blades, let's go!
gives me a lot of time to get more of Ares' Rift boon upgrades
rapid topaz
Chamber 8 Hunting Blades, let's go!
Grandma duo boon BeyBlade is bad :)) Hunting Blades is the GOAT
Especially with Hermes legendary auto-returning the casts.
woven nexus
I tried getting Ares or Art LEgo
failed on both
a win is a win either way
hunting blades with Dio call just melts people
rapid topaz
Critical Blades are extra juicy
No matter the % of PP
Fit well with Artemis and Diooooo Duo too
woven nexus
unfortunately
i was stupid enough to pick Aph Attack on that run
so i got a Rend duo wasting Art's boon proc
instead of her lego
rapid topaz
the hunting blades charge up Call pretty well too. I usually pick Artemis for the Call or Aphrodite if you want your target not going anywhere else
idle hearth
How do you make guan Yu and Beowulf work?
vagrant crane
Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.
Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.
You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).
For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).
There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.
vagrant crane
How do I counteract the health penalty?
dont get hit
proper furnace
How do I counteract the health penalty?
In full hypnos fashion, don't get hit
vagrant crane
lmfao
idle hearth
In full hypnos fashion, don't get hit
Well I'm not a pro hades runner or anything
I definitely will get hit
But I wanna finish it on guan Yu for the prophecy
vagrant crane
get hit less
proper furnace
Is mostly practice yeah
tight basin
Guan Yu is just reach the surface right
proper furnace
All hidden aspects is just reach yeah
tight basin
Do dash only lmao
idle hearth
Also I don't understand this three different ways to release charged attack thing, how do you do it differently than just releasing it
idle hearth
All hidden aspects is just reach yeah
Hm ig yeah but I'd still like want to win the run if I already get there
I'll try to just play better
proper furnace
Can always get smoldering air and get carried by the call
tight basin
Guan yu, unfortunately, kinda sucks if you don't get charged skewer lmao
vagrant crane
Also I don't understand this three different ways to release charged attack thin...
you can release attack, dash out of it or dash strike out of it
it's basically explo launcher zagspear otherwise
but with better aoe and pierce
i swear explo launcher is single target
proper furnace
Tho if you want to counteract the health reduction a bit more, check Charon wells for health items and if possible pick life affirmation
idle hearth
you can release attack, dash out of it or dash strike out of it
I see
What should I go for on Beowulf
And what is the best attack cycle to use on it
vagrant crane
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/edit#heading=h.h953vyht4pua https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B7qCbSaBgREflZ3Wm_5vXf95f8RLHwav-KbjUJifY0k/edit
idle hearth
Thanks
idle hearth
Can always get smoldering air and get carried by the call
Smouldering air + which call?
vagrant crane
tight basin
Touch some grass
She's too busy grinding sub6s
tight basin
Smouldering air + which call?
Zeus or dio
Zeus is generally easier
Since you'd be taking Aphrodite special and Zeus call is a prereq
If you don't get call, take some other prereq and look for Dio/zeus call afterwards
Also Dio call opens up low tolerance so you might get cucked
idle hearth
Is there a benefit to entering Miniboss doors?
tight basin
They're faster than normal rooms
This is like most of the time true assuming you get the right miniboss and you're comparing those to certain enemy rng types lmao
idle hearth
Thanks
narrow pike
I think the most important tip for Guan Yu is to use KBM instead of gamepad, so you can use dash-strikes from range without dashing into enemies
It has stupidly good range on those
wary adder
i use guan yu just fine on controller
narrow pike
Also technically it's possible (and easy) to use Steam Input to configure the right stick on a gamepad to be a "mouse" which allows you to dash and attack in different directions, just tested, but I don't know if you can get used to this
round umbra
This is like most of the time true assuming you get the right miniboss and you'r...
And probably that youre using battie or than
tight basin
Right
round umbra
I hit DC with Battie twice last run because I'm a big dummy
woven nexus
now that I've gotten it clear how good increased rarity chances are for lego and duo hunting or even just overall quality of boons
how valuable is that rarity increase chance on Chaos boons?
something defaultly pick if the other choices aren't must haves?
warm snow
it's like the last good option
woven nexus
in Elysium
once you have too many Boons that can be pommed
would you either go for a Pom?
or a Boon from a god you wouldn't bother usually?
eager flint
Depends on the possible boon too. Sometimes they're useless too, or even detrimental.
worn solar
this feels like a depends™
like if both the pom or the boon do basically nothing and theres uc id just go for the boon but theres too many variables in general
woven nexus
oh this Eris run is stacked....
lvl 3 Discharge
Zeus Lego
Zeus Call
Storm Lightning
Delta & Ricochet
RD w/ 30% Haste
Support Fire
I can almost not see the screen
I am so tempted to not get Smair here just because of how fast it charges already
and get double strike instead
woven nexus
I do love that Zeus ATK can be low rarity and low pommed as long as you get the Zeus boons that matter more
olive mortar
hey, I have to choose between electric shot (epic), high voltage (rare) and billowing strength (epic). I have thunder flourish and zeus' aid. which one should I choose?
proper furnace
What weapon is this
olive mortar
spear
olive mortar
I just spam dash strike but I rarely use casts
I assume zeus' isnt the best one either right
proper furnace
Oh if you use dash strike then no issue
olive mortar
I have the aspect of achilles so I just use the special as a "better" dash lol
proper furnace
Oh if you are using achilles then def cast
Idk what lvl is your aspect but the cast dmg bonus is huge
olive mortar
I havent upgraded it yet
proper furnace
+50% is still nice
proper furnace
For comparing, that's the max bonus of poseidon sword and talos fists buff 
Achilles goes up to +150%
olive mortar
S tier aspect
also
what does the aspect of hades do exactly?
I see an icon when I use the spin attack
the punishing sweep or smth
proper furnace
Hit enemies with spin>apply debuff on them that makes them take more dmg from atk/special
Pretty sure the tooltip of the aspect says that
olive mortar
Pretty sure the tooltip of the aspect says that
it just says punishing sweep I think
anyways thanks for telling me 
proper furnace
Not the one under the aspect name, you know how when hovering over a boon another small window opens?
Either there or when selecting aspects
olive mortar
Not the one under the aspect name, you know how when hovering over a boon anothe...
oh yeah I saw it now
thanks a lot
woven nexus
I think I have to start going Pos aspect again for sword
Nemesis Rend is really not working out for me recently
not when HL is getting higher
clever dove
is there any tips on which weapon aspect I should unlock first? i only have like 3 blood
or should I just play without spending the blood?
analog mauve
does the double hit dash strike hammer apply for arthurs charged swings if you dash between them
proper furnace
does the double hit dash strike hammer apply for arthurs charged swings if you d...
If only
proper furnace
is there any tips on which weapon aspect I should unlock first? i only have like...
Try checking one from a weapon you like the most and upgrade it a bit, keep in mind some aspects are kind of eh at low lvl
Worst comes to worst, if you unlock the aspect and go test it in a run and for whatever reason you don't like it, pressing give up will revert your save back to before you unlocked it
clever dove
Try checking one from a weapon you like the most and upgrade it a bit, keep in m...
are there some reccomended beginner friendly aspects, or just do whatever
proper furnace
are there some reccomended beginner friendly aspects, or just do whatever
#h1-for-new-players pins have a list on what's the power you should expect from each aspect
Is a simple tierlist of F-S
clever dove
Is a simple tierlist of F-S
ooh, so F is bad, S is good, that's what those letters meant. Thanks I didn't understand them 😄
vagrant crane
gg
wild stone
i have to pick between smair and splitting bolt rn
proper furnace
what wep/what's your call, etc
wild stone
call is Zeus' aid, 60 dmg lightning
splitting bolt is 40 dmg lightning
using zeus shield rn
proper furnace
although in a vaccum I'd pick splitting cuz it's harder to get
oh zeus shield, yeah splitting
wild stone
it already has static discharge and double strike
worn solar
if its em4 id skip splitting cuz funny block bug
wild stone
got heart rend as well
¯_(ツ)_/¯
and that other thing that boosts god gauge based on crits or something
boss died very fast
proper furnace
and that other thing that boosts god gauge based on crits or something
hunter's instict is garbage sadly
not that it was needed but still
wild stone
man i really hate starting on dio
just don't enjoy DoT in this game for some reason
now it's throwing heroic drunken strike at me
is that worth it on luci rail
wild stone
i already had epic poseidon attack but that's kinda wonky
wild stone
just pom it a lot
how much do you consider a lot
warm snow
3-4
vagrant crane
how much do you consider a lot
3 at a minimum but having like 10 is nice
woven nexus
Is it true that rejecting the same gods in a row escalate their difficulty?
Because it was brought up in dialogue sometimes in how much i dont choose artemis (easier to fight for me)
strange lark
no
eager flint
just looked at haelian's vid about calls, I'm mostly surprised he didn't compare aphro full gauge damage to the other calls. Like, it's not that much more damage than arte full gauge or what you can get out of zeus and dio. Has anybody done the maths on this btw ?
vagrant crane
it's more than arty
fallow lantern
I haven't managed an ME build yet, what aspect is best? I assume fists
warm snow
yea
fallow lantern
So it's ares attack + athena dash (+ athena special to actually unlock ME)
Impending doom helps. What else helps a lot?
And which aspect?
proper furnace
Dem aspect is the most common due to helping you with dmg before avtually getting the duo
Also +dashes or hyper sprint + rush delivery from hermes
fallow lantern
ty
proper furnace
Remember to pom both doom and impemding too
fallow lantern
I didn't find it at all last time I tried so I switched to making duos more likely. Should I not have?
proper furnace
If you just want ME then yeah just use legacy
But epic doom is straight double dmg compared to common + hermes is huge so pride is the one picked most of the time
eager flint
so basically you're screwed no matter which one you use
Unless you use Routine Inspection, in which case you're double screwed
fallow lantern
got athena special, epic hyper sprint, epic ares attack so far
no rush delivery or extra dashes :(
Athena dash :)
merciful end!!
After beating the butterfly ball without letting a single other thing turn into an enemy
Impending doom!
eager flint
GG you're set
round umbra
How much cast damage
And do you have any hyper delivery or other noteable cast/global damage boosts?
round umbra
Spicy. Yeah probably damage
spark kite
Question: Is Life Affirmation purgeable on the well? Thinking about rolling rn to sell it bc all my other boons are pretty good. '^^
spark kite
Yes
lucid oar
Always sucks when you have to sell a good boon
wild stone
Which god buffs Specials with the highest % bonus
proper furnace
Aphro
wild stone
Heroic aphro special + triple bomb is effectively an instant 600% dmg bonus isn't it
Kinda ridiculous how high value triple bomb can be
eager flint
but why triple bomb when clockets
tight basin
Luci can't get clockets
eager flint
oh, didn't understand it was about luci
I wonder how rocket and cluster bomb would even look on luci
I guess cluster would throw 5 hellfires that instantly explode ?
And rocket would huhhhh do something from Doom enemies idk
turbid needle
For triple bomb on the aspect that boosts you when you hit yourself, do the second two get boosted if you get absorb the first one?
proper furnace
For triple bomb on the aspect that boosts you when you hit yourself, do the seco...
Ye
turbid needle
yeah that's busted. no wonder my record is on that weapon
what do people like to put on that weapons attack? i feel like doom is probably the best because one bullet will barely do any damage even boosted but eventually it'll do a ton just from doom and you can give it to everyone on the screen super fast
proper furnace
what do people like to put on that weapons attack? i feel like doom is probably ...
Flat dmg is good as you noticed but zeus is the one used commonly
Or hangover
turbid needle
ok i haven't tried zeus enough because my tiny brain sees small number at first and doesnt like it
does it eventually get really nice especially stacked with jolt?
proper furnace
Yup
Standard speedrun build for eris rail is zeus atk/aphro-arte special/tidal dash
Look for static discharge and pom that and dash
turbid needle
tidal dash? i found that i would try to dash into my bomb and knock everyone out of it
proper furnace
Practice, but also rocket bomb helps
Is faster than waiting for the landing of normal special
And it's really hard to pass the dmg from tidal dash
proper furnace
Yup
If enemies are spawning you can also just shoot the rocket to a wall nearby
The ideal part of rocket bomb is also getting cluster bomb too
Clockets are busted
turbid needle
that sounds ridiculous
i've never seen that. do they shoot in a spread pattern or all 5 straight?
proper furnace
i've never seen that. do they shoot in a spread pattern or all 5 straight?
Spread but you can point blank them
The funny interaction is also this
Rocket removes the -30% dmg from cluster
proper furnace
So you get base 400 dmg if all 5 hit
turbid needle
alright guess i'll do some runs shooting for that now lol
tight basin
Just get the hammers
turbid needle
good advice thanks
tight basin
Np
spark kite
I might've just realized something the hard way...
Hermes Attack Speed doesn't impact the bow draw speed for Dash Attacks, right?
tight basin
Nope
round umbra
Hermes attack speed hammer thing apparently doesn't affect and dash attacks. Or reload speed.
proper furnace
Hermes hammers are great
round umbra
Hermham
slow mirage
question for yall. for the ":frinedly wager prophecy, do victories againct charon prior to receiving the prophecy count? like i beat him once, then got the prophecy
tight basin
I'm pretty sure it does
fading pecan
Anyone have a favourite boons for Aspect of Hades?
vagrant crane
yea i like to use the boon where u use achilles
slow mirage
I'm pretty sure it does
il give it a try next chance i get, thanks
fading pecan
Fair, Achilles Best God, but I’m enjoying experimenting with this
lucid oar
It’s pretty fun to go for the spin hammers and big % on attack
Artemis is good, Poseidon is a lot of fun
wild stone
*squints* Hades is just Mass Effect??
Lol
fading pecan
Artemis is good, Poseidon is a lot of fun
I’ll definitely try those, thanks!
rapid furnace
What are some good builds? Still kinda new to the game I love it but suck 😆. Furthest I got was the boss duo with bull wana go further
vagrant crane
you can look at bananas 32 guide for builds
rapid furnace
@vagrant crane in pin or YouTube?
vagrant crane
just skip the heat/pact part
you dont know what that is yet
just go straight to builds
tight basin
Read the mirror part too actually lmao
Just swap stubborn defiance with death defiance
turbid needle
aphrodite cast inside the shooty bow is pretty narsty right now
vagrant crane
yea its good
turbid needle
before the sisters i already had +1 cast and the Hermes thing that makes them pop out faster
echo fjord
Athena build?
tight basin
lightning phalanx on achilles
eager flint
how good is lightning phalanx ? It always looked underwhelming to me, and thus I didn't really try it very much
vagrant crane
it’s good on achilles
vagrant crane
c2 chaos is easy take
especially if u know midshop door positions
later usually not
although it’s free in c22/34
and 12
other than maybe missing your endshop on multi exit chaos
woven nexus
Impending Doom is a no-brainer choice for ME, right?
that delay is nothing to an ME?
woven nexus
ok so
Nemesis Rend
Double Edge or World Splitter?
I'm honestly annoyed that I have to choose
valid dagger
Double Edge or World Splitter?
There is nothing that compares to Double Edge on swords
woven nexus
I'm guessing dash strike being the main damage source is best for safety
eager flint
Isn't it best for damage too ?
I'd say there's even an argument for dash strikes being less safe since it means you can't dash defensively
But y'know, the attack animation is way too long
vagrant crane
dash striking is detrimental to safety but is just optimal for damage on every weapon where it does something
that’s one of the annoying things about sword though
on fists you have a lot easier time putting empty dashes in
while also kinda dealing damage
since you can just stop mashing dash for a moment but still hold attack
warm snow
yes
woven nexus
well then I am having one of the best Nem runs ever then
eager flint
yeah, having dash-strikes be strong offensively is good design since it means using your defensive tools offensively, so it's a balance act and pretty fun to do
but the normal sword combo should really be better
it sucks so much
ever make the thrust get out faster, or make cancelling the simple one-two combo easier
woven nexus
for some it's sacrificing your defensive tool
for me it's dashing through the enemy which also counts as dodging them
since they are attacking towards the opposite direction
woven nexus
but the normal sword combo should really be better
when I have to consider Swift Strikes just to synergize with a hammer boon (Thrust), things have become desperately bad
warm snow
ok but why utilize thrust at all
eager flint
spite
woven nexus
because it just feels too good with Rend Nemesis
but if i get Double Edge
thats a LOT better
since now I can go Art dash too
woven nexus
just the hammer boon making the damage and crit meatier. It's....what i get when I never get Double Edge
it's not like some of the sword hammers are worth it
proven osprey
btw do any of you ever risk going Enshrouded?
enshrouded is free tbh
vagrant crane
just get the rooms™️
proven osprey
For real tho you can play around it and it's often a solid option for heat I'd say
really situational tho
for speed I wouldn't really care since curses don't hurt that much
vagrant crane
when u don’t wanna reset cause ur on ri1 and got an epic start but took c2 chaos and it’s roiling enshrouded roiling
or more accurately paupers enshrouded addled
vagrant crane
well that’s good
woven nexus
just realized how good Holy Shield is
vagrant crane
because it means you didn’t miss out on an actually good reward
all exit doors are either blue or gold
not mixed
woven nexus
because it means you didn’t miss out on an actually good reward
missing out on dat Eury/Pat
vagrant crane
have u tried getting single exit rooms instead
i find that that is very helpful with enshrouded
:)
woven nexus
as if i can control what i get next
so anyways Holy Shield is great as a melee
especially how much i hate beams and ankle biters
vagrant crane
i like holy shield because it’s turn off PL at home
woven nexus
well
you'll still eat the meatiest slice Dad/Asterius does to you
before it kicks in
but it's great for those that usually have to follow-up damage
like Theseus' shoot and ram
eager flint
I think shops can be next to a blue laurel, but story rooms can't
speaking of, am I right that in those case it's better (without TD or speedruns considerations) to go for the blue laurel, since it's one more blue laurel you got and thus decrease the chances to get blue laurel rooms afterward ?
If you don't need the shop ofc
valid dagger
I think shops can be next to a blue laurel, but story rooms can't
This is not true. But if you’re using Dark Foresight it’s very unlikely to see blue laurel rooms past Asphodel.
valid dagger
speaking of, am I right that in those case it's better (without TD or speedruns ...
If you don’t need the shop then sure ig. It rarely matters tho. Most of the time you’ll want something to improve your build and shops are the perfect opportunity for that. In an ideal scenario you have enough gold at every shop
But it’s not to get rid of the blue laurel
Because both doors are blue laurels
eager flint
Oh, I thought shops didn't count for the gold/blue laurel generation
TIL
thanks
And story rooms can be next to blue laurels ?
idle hearth
Does anyone have a fun eris build besides getting rocket and cluster bomb?
Something that doesn't rely on hammers
valid dagger
And story rooms can be next to blue laurels ?
I’m pretty sure yea
valid dagger
Does anyone have a fun eris build besides getting rocket and cluster bomb?
The basic ZAP doesn’t rely on hammers. It does great damage with no hammers at all even, but they’re always gonna be the strongest options by far for Eris. You can try starting with Dio attack and looking for Tidal Dash, pom the dash a few times then put the rest in attack. Any other dmg sources you get are just a bonus, Zeus Call is probably the best one but a strong Cast with a couple poms can be solid too.
proper furnace
Drunk eris is fun
valid dagger
Zeus attack is the best for Eris unless running extreme heats. But yea dio has nice dmg and is fun to play so why not
Could do pstatus aswell
proper furnace
You may lag a bit if the room decides to spam a million flamewheels for example
But honestly not really
idle hearth
You may lag a bit if the room decides to spam a million flamewheels for example
Yeah sometimes it lags but
proper furnace
Is fun to have the game with you
idle hearth
Rarely
Yeah I bought it like 2 years ago for vacation
But now I'm addicted to it at home
proper furnace
The worst thing would be like mods ig
idle hearth
Thought about buying the PS5 version but I'll keep the money for a new game
idle hearth
The worst thing would be like mods ig
Not a PC gamer anyways
proper furnace
Unless your switch is modded
idle hearth
Haha no
If I put Poseidon on the special and Dio on the attack?
Is that something
Fancy crazy
Or can that work
Otherwise I'll just put Poseidon on the dash
proper furnace
If special is epic maybe, I don't remember how high is the % tho
Prob just dash
Pray you get exclusive access before your hermes boons
idle hearth
Which boon is exclusive access?
It's too late now I just put him on my special to mix things up
It's only 6 heat so idrc
valid dagger
whats the best cast boon for Beowulf?
Poseidon is best. Aphrodite becomes best at very high heat when you cant guarantee a strong build.
Dio is an honorable mention. Probably the potential highest damage output in the entire game but requires a lot of things to go right so it's very inconsistent.
tight basin
Could just not take damage control
strange lark
how else are you gonna beat 2 heat
lucid oar
ri1
tight basin
Exactly
wild stone
I need an extended version of the game that adds more content before the end
You only get to enjoy your build coming together for like 2 mins
eager flint
scaling roguelikes is pretty hard
outer sonnet
You only get to enjoy your build coming together for like 2 mins
Reall
wild stone
scaling roguelikes is pretty hard
The % bonuses or buffs from hammers etc are easy to imagine stretching out for the most part
Alternatively just making harder enemies would work
turbid needle
I need an extended version of the game that adds more content before the end
Hopefully Hades 2 is like this. Even if it’s beyond base game/main story stuff
Also is triple bomb and the forward rocket a possible combo
worn solar
you can get triple + rocket
outer sonnet
you can get triple + rocket
Yup and its great
fading totem
Can you get triple + hazard?
vagrant crane
no
worn solar
imagine tho
round umbra
What special hammers does hazard combine with? Targetting?
vagrant crane
anything other than triple cluster rocket
fading totem
When I run hazard it's the entire build, I'll try and get Demeter cast as well and just spam q. So the only other hammer that really works is targeting, everything else doesn't get used
Poseidon or Artemis for special, hope for chaos special upgrades, fill out everything else for Family Favorite.
fallow willow
I got the "Blizzard Shot" duo for the first time in a few months. Woah! 😅 I had it buffed with "Sea Storm" and "Mirage Shot" and a bonus cast from Chaos and it just covered the screen with destruction. Will definitely go for it again.
outer sonnet
I got the "Blizzard Shot" duo for the first time in a few months. Woah! 😅 I h...
Blizzard shot is butt
fading totem
My favorite build is still Stygius/poseidon and then a lot of Artemis
Athena or Poseidon dash, Aphrodite/Artemis duo, poseidon call, rupture. That'll about do it for me.
wild stone
thunder dash good?
fading totem
No (imo)
I like Poseidon dash, or Athena. Every other dash feels pretty bad compared to those two
woven nexus
I would use it if i got Discharge and none of my main attacks deal lightning
vagrant crane
it is very good if and only if you get splitting bolt
if you have jolted and double strike and stuff it can be alright
tight basin
Thunder dash honestly isn't too bad of you get jolted
An extra 100 damage or so is nice
Better than some other stuff
Wouldn't really actively look for it tho compared to tidal dash or ddash
I'd even hunt for passion dash if I want jank heart rend lmao
vagrant crane
do be jank
vagrant crane
yeah it goes hard to proc
wild stone
yeah fair makes sense
did a pierced butterfly run
tried to stack various flat damage things so that it'd be more worth it
it worked alright
took like 1:40 to kill hades which isn't That bad for me
felt speedy enough (but it was certainly more to do with getting smair and whatnot than that keepsake)
is pom blossom fun to run?
vagrant crane
if u want lvl4 urge to krill sure
fading totem
I use pom blossom in Elysium sometimes
If I don't need hourglass or purse or chaos egg or plume
wild stone
snurst lv1 --> lv4
crush shot lv4 --> lv7
razor shoals lv1 --> lv4
truly difficult decision on hera
wild stone
h m m
tight basin
crush shot
vagrant crane
lvl4 is too low for styx
tight basin
yeah
vagrant crane
you want it to be lvl6 minimum rlly
tight basin
you only put poms onto your cast on hera
there's no reason for anything else
maybe 1 pom into snurst if it's common and can't 1 shot flame wheels, but you're in styx rn so there's no need to worry about that pom
wild stone
crush shot is 41x4 damage boost (i have 4 casts)
snurst is 35*2 extra damage per doubledash (extremely shrug)
195 extra damage in the shoals ticks
shoals might be better if it's consistent
my tidal dash is Heroic and hits pretty hard too
kinda funny how much damage it's been doing
wild stone
i wish i could remember all of the names of things so that i could see and list the synergies on the end screen
just having images makes it like impossible for me lol
narrow pike
You're not alone. Some folks here claim learning all the icons is easy, but never happening for me either
As for the names, at least the names of core boons have a consistent naming scheme
woven nexus
How does Ravenous Will work?
does it apply the bonus damage to long lasting Casts like Rift?
proper furnace
If it shows 0/whatever max amount of casts the bonus applies
rapid topaz
How does Ravenous Will work?
If you are out of casts, the bonus comes in. I usually use with Stygian Soul. Always guarantee the buff for 3s
eager flint
I feel like infernal soul is better, since you can throw out your three casts and be done for a while
Or hell, if you're really going all in, not taking anything for that mirror tier
proper furnace
Everything for a 30% dmg global boost
wild stone
You're not alone. Some folks here claim learning all the icons is easy, but neve...
Those Folks are filthy liars
vagrant crane
You're not alone. Some folks here claim learning all the icons is easy, but neve...
it comes from scanning hundreds of pbs for build
or looking at your boon menu and remembering "well the only aph thing i took this run was life aff"
narrow pike
In addition to so many unmemorable icons, they also use the same icons for core boons and you can only tell them apart by color, some of which are not very distinct
vagrant crane
the only kinda similar ones are athena and zeus
narrow pike
Neptune and Dionisus are both blueish and I can't be bothered to remember the hue
Might be just me
vagrant crane
purple and blue
narrow pike
Well, didn't look close enough to notice 🤷♀️
Or to be entirely honest, I know but I don't like having to differentiate by color only
vagrant crane
they have some small visual differences as well
narrow pike
Oh?
vagrant crane
divine strike is very plain
very boring
dio has little bubbles
pos has like
stuff
zeus has bolts
worn solar
In addition to so many unmemorable icons, they also use the _same_ icons for cor...
idk that kinda makes it easier
~~well maybe except for zeus athena ~~
narrow pike
Hmm checking the wiki and seeing the tiny differences in the icons... easy to miss though
Stuff like Flood Shot and Trippy Shot... well I suppose it might be easier if you practice a lot...
I hope they fix this for Hades 2
vagrant crane
i like system as is
worn solar
do you perchance have some form of colorblindness
narrow pike
A lot of icons don't even represent their subject. Like Sunken Treasure should be a treasure chest, but instead it's bubbles? Huh?
vagrant crane
i cant tell the poseidon stuff apart
other than hydro might
and beaver
and shoals ig
narrow pike
And Razor Shoals is what... some kinda water spray? Instead of sharp stones or corals?
outer sonnet
Neptune and Dionisus are both blueish and I can't be bothered to remember the hu...
What?
narrow pike
I can tell the difference in hue but only if I concentrate on it. It's not something that jumps out at me
outer sonnet
???
worn solar
ngl i think youre colorblind
narrow pike
Well, compare the boon icons on the wiki because that's what I'm looking at right now:
https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Poseidon
https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Dionysus
acoustic skiff
I don't see how the colors are similar
narrow pike
Neptune is the roman equivalent yeah?
Yeah. I also think "Venus" when I see her door icon
acoustic skiff
like sincerely
outer sonnet
They look pretty different to me
worn solar
yeah its purple vs blue
narrow pike
I suppose purple is my weakness then
acoustic skiff
they are pretty much the rarity "rare" and "epic" colors
outer sonnet
Can you differentiate epic vs rare without reading the rarity
narrow pike
Yeah. I'd like them more distinct but it's not difficult, unlike these icons
worn solar
maybe its a saturation thing or something
outer sonnet
Oh yeah
That is possible
Check your brightness and lighting settings on your computer
Maybe you could send a picture of your pc from your phone
Id like to see what it looks like on your screen
acoustic skiff
but then you're also adding camera quality tho
outer sonnet
Eh
outer sonnet
Who cares 🤷♂️
narrow pike
It becomes significantly easier when I blow out the icons to half the screen and stare for several seconds. Still hard to differentiate in the end, though. I'm a little nearsighted as well
Don't think it's a screen issue, this is a fairly recent macbook and I haven't messed with calibration
And it's the same for me on my gaming windows system
acoustic skiff
if you have glasses that could also be a thing
acoustic skiff
like I have a filter in my glasses for blue light
narrow pike
if you have glasses that could also be a thing
Don't have glasses. Planning to undergo correction but haven't gotten around yet
acoustic skiff
ah
then I'd say either the screen or you might have a bit of colorblindness I guess
don't know if there's like a blue/purple kind
outer sonnet
don't know if there's like a blue/purple kind
There is fs
I have a friend who has blue purple colorblindness
narrow pike
Probably the latter. I'm just surprised to hear that you find it easy to tell these apart on a glance:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/b/b2/Tempest_Strike.png/revision/latest
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/8/80/Drunken_Strike.png/revision/latest
worn solar
go look at some funny colorblindness tests
acoustic skiff
yeah, the discord thumbnails are super distinct for me
outer sonnet
So yeah I would say you might be a little colorblind
There are probably some free colorblindness tests online
acoustic skiff
if you look at the poseidon icon, there is like a pinkish purple slash in the top of the icon
can you see that difference or does it look same to you?
narrow pike
Same as what?
outer sonnet
Same as the blue
acoustic skiff
above the actual slash
narrow pike
I'd say everything here is blueish with varying RGB proportions of other things
vagrant crane
u might be colorblind
vagrant crane
dio is rlly purple
narrow pike
It just displays #unknown
vagrant crane
there r colorblind mods
outer sonnet
Oh
worn solar
https://discord.com/channels/966826008491720774/967042069480755280/1142134104914...
nope
outer sonnet
Dang
worn solar
doesnt the speed run modpack have some colorblind options
outer sonnet
acoustic skiff
what about Aphro and Dio, can you tell that apart?
vagrant crane
doesnt the speed run modpack have some colorblind options
yea that’s what i’m thinking of
narrow pike
Aphrodite is pinkish to my eyes
vagrant crane
i can’t believe we’re devising a colorblind test with the hades god colors
acoustic skiff
outer sonnet
narrow pike
So, pretty easy to tell apart from others
outer sonnet
Tbh athena and zeus are hard to tell apart for me
worn solar
pinkish as in really light pink?
acoustic skiff
it might be the blue then cause I'd say aphro and dio are more similar than poseidon and dio
vagrant crane
Tbh athena and zeus are hard to tell apart for me
they can be hard if they’re obscured
narrow pike
I'd say Zeus is a lot brighter yellow compared to Athena, looking at the wiki. Poseidon and Dionisus are the big offenders in my case
proper furnace
Athena's color is lame
narrow pike
pinkish as in really light pink?
I'm not sure what "normal" pink is, TBH. Can only say that this is a type of pink
Seen a lot of different things all described as "pink"
proper furnace
Get dino'd
acoustic skiff
That's more Aphro I think
narrow pike
The previous one was a lot pinkier
I probably wouldn't describe this as "pink" unless you pressed me
Might be a convention thing
outer sonnet
narrow pike
Aphro feels like her RGB has more blue in it, compared to these
outer sonnet
Yeah
narrow pike
Maybe
narrow pike
The "hot pink" is rgb(237,116,178) and the background of the Aphro icon is rgb(201,117,192)
Lemme check the big offenders
Saturated left background:
- Poseidon:
rgb(77,152,203) - Dionisus:
rgb(123,127,194)
outer sonnet
I wish there was a way to show you what Im seeing
narrow pike
So do I
I dunno. Test claims "normal color vision" but I had to skip some questions and we found that it's clearly not the case
Might check the speedrun mod pack option at some point. Would also be nice to have better accessibility in Hades 2
tight basin
The color blind mod I think just highlights enemies with a blue outline or something
Idk if it actually changes colors
narrow pike
Oh. Never had issues with those. It's just the boon icons for me
tight basin
Yeah idk if it helps for that
narrow pike
Plus, it wouldn't help reading people's victory boasting screens
Even if one could learn all the boon icons that don't even describe their boons
tight basin
Tbf when you learn the boon icons you also kinda learn what they do
narrow pike
Not entirely sure what you mean
I mean... Sunken Treasure icon is bubbles instead of a treasure chest...
tight basin
You just learn them over time lmao
Like i didn't study boon icons or anything
I just played a lot and realized what's what
lucid oar
So many of the Poseidon boon icons are just blue splash effects
Pretty hard to distinguish
tight basin
True
strange lark
https://about.canva.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2019/03/hot-pink.png
blue
wild stone
Probably the latter. I'm just surprised to hear that you find it easy to tell th...
Test fir deuteranopia
For*
warm snow
Probably the latter. I'm just surprised to hear that you find it easy to tell th...
oh my
wild stone
I probably wouldn't describe this as "pink" unless you pressed me
What would u call it instead
wild stone
Did that color test to see what it is like and there's only two that are a bit hard to see but i still got 25/25
Def no need to skip any
woven nexus
we can just use a color wheel and see what people think is way too similar. There are so many degrees of colorblindness
Pink hilariously is just.....Light Red.
narrow pike
What would u call it instead
Dunno. But people insist on having 1000 names for the slightest differences in hues, so I'm sure there's something for this
turbid needle
What’s like meta for the zeus shield? I just did a run with zeus on special and athena on attack. The double hit bash and the +80% bash hammers. Barely touched my cast
vagrant crane
ME for speed zeus special for heat
turbid needle
What’s ME
vagrant crane
merciful end
vagrant crane
either
only weapon where you can do that
it can get pretty fast (timestamped)
i think a lot of people prefer special for the better pom scaling
turbid needle
Sweet
marble inlet
So apparently Mirage Shot works on meme beams
vagrant crane
i mean
marble inlet
Too bad I CHOKED the run
tight basin
Called meme beams for a reason
warm snow
if only Dem lego was like Ares
turbid needle
who can help me with the savemanager and like full save stuff i'm braindead
strange lark
cshot for speed
i think you still take explosive return for speed
vagrant crane
idk what baj started
not like i can check
but what does ocke start
at the very least in the wr dad he had cshot
it was unmodded but still
okay so he has a 701 on
this is his tart exit build
but he does cshot
wild stone
this build sure did Some damage
woven nexus
I'm enjoying using Obols purely for the run