wasnt the like first rama 60 perfect or point blank first hammer with arty atk
#h1-builds-and-combat
proper furnace
short version is
you either do no much dmg or way too much dmg
consistency and heat don't go in the same sentence
round umbra
With shared suffering way too much at least kills other things
proven sierra
i like crit builds on malphon as well, mostly zag or gilgamesh. but a favorite fun/dumb gilgamesh build is leaning into zeus dash.
i need to use fists->demeter more i think, ive only done that i think three times
tight basin
- yeah you should try out lightning strike luci (and non-hestia rails), makes it a lot easier and more fun to play
- for hera, snow burst from demeter provides a lot of fast burst damage, you should consider that. also ravenous will gives you a free 10-30% boost on a full volley. artemis attack is nice and all but the core of your build should just be aphrodite cast + snow burst
- tbf crit rama can work, you just want twin shot and some chaos buffs for dash strike or attack. otherwise, aphrodite attack works fine. could also tag on hunter's dash for more dash strike damage to help out on the crits
proper furnace
consistency and heat don't go in the same sentence
(unless you are retrash)
lucid oar
- _ _
proven sierra
also ravenous will gives you a free 10-30% boost on a full volley.
oh yeah! i knew this once and then forgot
tight basin
lmfao mood
vagrant crane
crit builds are consistent if you're damue
tight basin
lmfao
proper furnace
true
jolly lance
i used zagreus aspects many times on each weapon obviously
sword - i used a lot of nemesis, never used poseidon, seems ultra crap
spear - i use achilles but never used hades, seem ultra crap
shield - i used chaos once, it would be so good if not for the fact i have to use bullrush before, thats why i only used it once
bow - i tried to use chiron but couldnt get much used to it
fist - im using talos all the time, but now i switched to zagreus again
rail - switched to eris
vagrant crane
can someone bribe hermes to give me sprint one (1) time
proper furnace
trade it for no patty
vagrant crane
not even rd just sprint
tight basin
no
tight basin
i used zagreus aspects many times on each weapon obviously
sword - i used a lot ...
pos sword can be kinda good
kinda worse achilles but hey
if you want to play sword without playing sword there it is
jolly lance
what is the best weapon LOOK wise lol
woven nexus
Had a GY run and not get the specific Special hammer...
proper furnace
what is the best weapon LOOK wise lol
Rama looks nice for me
zag shield too
woven nexus
Feels gimped. I guess the lifesteal is nice but that lower HP is really a killer with PL
proper furnace
arthur looks nice only with the glow
woven nexus
Hestia and Achilles for me
tight basin
eris and beowulf are an abomination
jolly lance
nah i dont like golden weapons
tight basin
the thing has teeth and i dont like it
proper furnace
I remember someone comparing hestia to a bus or smth like that
jolly lance
base rail is nice
tight basin
what kind of bus
woven nexus
Zag Rail looks like a dwarfen weapon in WoW
tight basin
hestia reminds me more of a bullet train tbh
vagrant crane
no rd but braid in well so basically we fine
proper furnace
what I love of Eris is that it has a scope that is blocked by the front of the own weapon
and hestia the actual sniper doesn't have one
vagrant crane
i just need a half decent ely rn can we all pray for half decent ely
tight basin
that's the sights at the end of the gun thingy yaknow
woven nexus
Lucifer downright looks impractical
proper furnace
I don't like the skull theme of hera either
woven nexus
I like Nemesis except the skull guard
vagrant crane
this is not boding well
jolly lance
i like nemesis
jolly lance
no
woven nexus
As if for bulky non-finesse use
proper furnace
I hate beo looks
woven nexus
Like its for big guys to just tank and swing
jolly lance
even base stygius looks better than pos sword
proper furnace
I didn't even understand the dragon thing it had going on for a long time
tight basin
spaghetti plate
vagrant crane
guys
proven sierra
here's a build i like that's super duper unreliable:
vagrant crane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1133963805030895697/image.png where does than go in this room
just near the exit?
proper furnace
I want to say yes but I'm not taking responsability
proven sierra
plume + greater haste + either second wind or hypersprint + rush delivery on [whatever]
woven nexus
I do not understand why you play with that reso
proven sierra
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1133963805030895697/i...
what is with your aspect ratio
vagrant crane
looks better
tight basin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1133963805030895697/i...
about where you're standing
proper furnace
jazz is built different
woven nexus
Yeah i do not like seeing stuff squished
tight basin
either that or the other side of the pillar you're at
so if you stay where you are you should be fine
vagrant crane
worked out
tight basin
nice
proven sierra
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1133963805030895697/i...
i dont understand the question
vagrant crane
DASHING FLIGHT POGGIES
tight basin
i dont understand the question
speedrun tactic
proven sierra
bc you want to be right at the door the second the timer starts again?
tight basin
at the end of than rooms, as soon as the enemy dies the timer starts up and he walks over to the end location
woven nexus
Btw whats instaphasing that jazz had difficulty relearning how to dodge?
tight basin
so you want to have a menu open so the timer pauses until he drops the heart and leaves
otherwise the timer keeps going until he drops it and leaves
tight basin
bc you want to be right at the door the second the timer starts again?
yeah pretty much but with extra steps
proper furnace
Btw whats instaphasing that jazz had difficulty relearning how to dodge?
do so much dmg that you make the boss activate the invulnerability without getting an attack in
woven nexus
So only possible in seeded?
tight basin
you end up having to relearn how to dodge enemies because you just generally one shot them
proper furnace
So only possible in seeded?
average beo run:
vagrant crane
damn braid is 1 off from lasting to dad
tight basin
short tunnel
tight basin
shorter tunnel
vagrant crane
i just reset if i get long tunnel 
proper furnace
find the legendary 1 sack that people swear they have gotten
woven nexus
Well I do remember Hades just standing there after eating a Mirage Shot Tidal Flare
woven nexus
I keep forgetting speedruns dont have Hell mode heats
vagrant crane
i think i need a braid or a stone or something to sub6 rn
woven nexus
strange lark
I keep forgetting speedruns dont have Hell mode heats
50 heat speedruns
proper furnace
i think i need a braid or a stone or something to sub6 rn
discord curse, is too late
vagrant crane
gg anthony ruined me
tight basin
50 heat speedruns <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
ocaml 7:30 moment
proper furnace
(is discord curse still even a thing now)
vagrant crane
think this is a reset
tight basin
idk
proper furnace
gg anthony ruined me
lmao
strange lark
remember when mike got beo wr while discording
vagrant crane
tight basin
lmfao
woven nexus
Btw is Crush Shot a good one off for Aph?
tight basin
just cheat
proven sierra
btw i went to check my stats because im curious:
- 199 escape attempts
- 88 total clears (best streak: 10, current streak, 1)
- top two weapons are fists, 49 attempts, 22 clears, + 32 heat, sword 37 attempts, 16 clears, 15 heat
- pressure points is my most common boon, selected 69 times (nice) and in 34 of my clears, then support fire, deadly strike, greater evasion, blinding flash, and then divine dash
vagrant crane
there is no way
woven nexus
Cause i keep picking it for any aspect thats not cast integral (except Hera)
jolly lance
the weirdest decision in this game is adding hell mode and all that is changes is adding 1 heat and enabling pact from start, like why
jolly lance
they should add personal liability to normal save, it changes little
woven nexus
the weirdest decision in this game is adding hell mode and all that is changes i...
Dude try PL
jolly lance
it would require me to start a game
tight basin
i have no damage
just cheat
proper furnace
use your inner Damue
vagrant crane
didnt even have enough to instaphase p1p1 with meg
jolly lance
and once i unlock everything excluding resource director stuff im gone
vagrant crane
got darknessed instantly
woven nexus
the weirdest decision in this game is adding hell mode and all that is changes i...
It disables God Mode too Hahaha
jolly lance
well i never used god mode so
woven nexus
jolly lance
i rolled my mouse over it and saw description "oh this is for noobs"
tight basin
nice
vagrant crane
im washed
jolly lance
is beowulf good from getgo or only maxxed
tight basin
getgo
upgrading it is only qol tbh
wider and stronger dragon rush doesn't do much when you have mirage shot bug
vagrant crane
matters in tart
round umbra
Climbing heat, your e not usually too worried about tart
tight basin
ofc it's good damage but also you're relying more on the cast anyways
strange lark
+100% bullrush damage is insane for attack builds
vagrant crane
attack builds
round umbra
Beo attack builds?
tight basin
matters in tart
it's just a qol thing if you're not a degen
aspect of cshot baybee
use stygian soul on that sucker to get a dragon rush every 3 secs
(dont do this)
round umbra
Still want extra damage
vagrant crane
i play a healthy 4 hours of hades a day
tight basin
could be more!
jolly lance
i heard that the best thing in the game that deals ridiculous damage is golden shield
round umbra
use stygian soul on that sucker to get a dragon rush every 3 secs
Ways to make hera upgrades a detriment
vagrant crane
i heard that the best thing in the game that deals ridiculous damage is golden s...
yep
the spaghetti plate
strange lark
i play a healthy 4 hours of hades a day
unhealthy play more
vagrant crane
shout out to whoever bribed hermes for me
proper furnace
I'll take the credit
strange lark
that was me
jolly lance
what is your most hated god story wise
vagrant crane
poseidon
strange lark
zagreus
proper furnace
zeus-pos
jolly lance
demeter
woven nexus
i rolled my mouse over it and saw description "oh this is for noobs"
And yet I used it to learn the game faster and now I'm doing the hard mode
vagrant crane
i have a lvl3 flare and no chaos
proper furnace
say it with me
that's a reset
vagrant crane
simple 1/1/1/1/1 split
jolly lance
honestly i maxed out romance with meagara just cause there is no one else but she is a b***
woven nexus
First cleared godmode on 22% and deleted the save file when it was at 36% iirc
strange lark
honestly i maxed out romance with meagara just cause there is no one else but sh...
but shes hot
jolly lance
well you could have played normally and already start gathering resources
vagrant crane
its always so sad to take a common shot
woven nexus
I planned to do hellmode
strange lark
run pride
vagrant crane
im on pride
strange lark
L
jolly lance
but shes hot
she is the hottest but my unpopular opinion is that no one in this game when it comes to women is truly hot
woven nexus
But i decided to skip normal mode 100% once i realized how much completion is ingame
So....i went with just having 100% Hell mode
woven nexus
she is the hottest but my unpopular opinion is that no one in this game when it ...
Aph rocking the cheekbones i subjectively do not like
jolly lance
aphrodite is ugly
vagrant crane
Heretic
woven nexus
Just ignore the cheekbones and chin
strange lark
🐊
jolly lance
i mean the game has questionable design with some of the gods but ill leave it at that to not cause flame war
woven nexus
she is the hottest but my unpopular opinion is that no one in this game when it ...
Nyx is hottest
jolly lance
Nyx is hottest
tbh yeah
vagrant crane
329 gold
strange lark
buy the third option
vagrant crane
true
vagrant crane
TRUE
the issue is
i took ares call
because i rolled over a screen of attack special dash
into a screen of attack special call
jolly lance
how does god mode even work, it says you get stronger every time you die, stronger how
woven nexus
Persuasion failing hard
vagrant crane
how does god mode even work, it says you get stronger every time you die, strong...
more dr
tight basin
the issue is
why is that an issue just sell it
woven nexus
how does god mode even work, it says you get stronger every time you die, strong...
Starts at 20% DR
Adds 2% per death
vagrant crane
why is that an issue just sell it
well i dont wanna have to roll to sell it
woven nexus
Caps at 80%
woven nexus
20% DR is already huge
Invalidates HL1
And its akin to having some Aph, Ath and Dio boons be epic
And have both of em
vagrant crane
no i wnated hammer
cause in ocke 445 he has an option of endshop or hammer
and he takes hammer
because no hammer aspho is pain
im referencing the texts
proper furnace
And its akin to having some Aph, Ath and Dio boons be epic
I mean aphro is 30% and assuming you are doing it with a core boon keeping weak is ez
jolly lance
damn 80% is probably super easy
strange lark
cause in ocke 445 he has an option of endshop or hammer
well coke sucks he doesnt have any sub6s
proper furnace
what other dmg reduction aphro has
vagrant crane
doles anyone know if this than was a menu or not
strange lark
yes it was a menu
woven nexus
damn 80% is probably super easy
Actually can do traditional tank fist/sword runs
vagrant crane
why did you lie to me
proper furnace
what other dmg reduction aphro has
there is the one that upgrades how much DR weak has
strange lark
:croven:
vagrant crane
uhhh you guys forgot to bribe hermes again
proper furnace
just get the rooms
woven nexus
Urge to Kill. My favorite Ares one-off
Wait is that the increase damage of everything but call? Or is that the superbuff after killing something?
Either is fine for me
proper furnace
buff to attack/special/cast
proper furnace
one offs? more like UC fodder
woven nexus
Sometimes you just dont want their trees in a run
strange lark
free money
woven nexus
Well i wont sell Urge to Kill or Diff League....unles it is a UC run
Its gonna feel very different once I've gotten all my Blood and Diamond needs.
To actually use Obol on run-helping buffs
woven nexus
Welcome to speedrunning Roguelites
proven sierra
is the standard speedrun heat 0?
proven sierra
i get fo2 but why em2?
proper furnace
lernie heads spawn closer
woven nexus
Em2 since Lernie has a smaller map?
Knew it
Easier to AoE everyone
Phase 3 Lernie is madness of constant dodging and nuking
vagrant crane
it's like a quarter of a second long
woven nexus
Sounds like an early MS Beo to me
vagrant crane
dont need mirage
woven nexus
I happened to get it early
woven nexus
It was fast
vagrant crane
i reset no mirage into ely unless it's like sub3 exit
worn solar
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/1133974100478525581/image.png dang arthur so good. oh i guess i had a call too
i may have forgotten that youre supposed to run away from lasers when not playing shield
strange lark
abyssal blood
worn solar
optimal mirror clearly
strange lark
ruthless reflex on arthur is goated tho
woven nexus
Dude that Smair Zeus jolt lego carried
I happen to be weakest with Sword. Should I just go for a simpler Arthur Smair build than try for Heart Rend Nemesis?
worn solar
nah do smair nem
woven nexus
Got it
strange lark
nah do special only arthur
woven nexus
Did you sell the prereq boons?
I see no other Dem boons but you have one of the best Jolted duos
vagrant crane
i dont get how i have no damage with blue rd
worn solar
Did you sell the prereq boons?
yeah mistral dash
proper furnace
I see no other Dem boons but you have one of the best Jolted duos
cold fusion is the best jolted duo by default
woven nexus
I'm guessing Zeus Call is the best Smair to use?
vagrant crane
all i ask for is one 30x into 43x into 55x
woven nexus
Or Zeus Call being default the most solid call?
proper furnace
Smair athena is super safe too
woven nexus
Hmmmm.....
vagrant crane
its somewhat less impactful on dio
woven nexus
Yeah id rather go offensive smair
proper furnace
smair athena on rama my beloved
vagrant crane
since dio call is good at charging dio cal
woven nexus
Btw whats the ranking for best dps debuff? Cause I'm curious on hoe much setup vs how strong the debuff ranks in damage.
vagrant crane
debuff?
woven nexus
Talking about jolted, rupture, chill, hangover, doom, etc
Ive underestimated Chill. But damn its insane if you manage to apply Decay
Although getting there is the challenge
proper furnace
what's decay again? her legendary?
woven nexus
Nah
worn solar
killing freeze
proper furnace
ah
tight basin
Ive underestimated Chill. But damn its insane if you manage to apply Decay
Decay doesn't count towards pstatus btw
Best is probably jolted or marked tbh
woven nexus
But how's the results? Worth trying to get?
woven nexus
Oh yea bosses tend to have it easier to apply haha
tight basin
Pretty hard to get going in normal rooms but it's good for bosses
woven nexus
Chilled on everyone when everyone is one target
tight basin
Just realized Dem call would actually be decent for killing freeze
Smair Dem call killing freeze anyone?
vagrant crane
rather get shoals
warm snow
Smair Dem call killing freeze anyone?
you can't activate call while one blizzard is active
tight basin
you can't activate call while one blizzard is active
How long does each thing last
warm snow
How long does each thing last
5 sec
vagrant crane
smair charges in 5s
tight basin
Cringe
worn solar
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1133997785054724096/image.png why am i so bad 
jolly lance
what build for bow on heat 7
vagrant crane
what aspect
jolly lance
i only have chiron and zagreus
vagrant crane
arty attack and splash dash work for zagbow
look for twin shot > triple shot > flurry shot = perfect shot = point blank shot for hammers
jolly lance
what is arty
vagrant crane
artemis
jolly lance
ok
narrow pike
Just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RuLw7hyPCw (former world record speedrun with Rama), it's unreal, especially the last boss. Lots to learn. Anyway can someone explain why they put every single pom into Jolted when so much killing was done with Attack?
unreal tree
Just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RuLw7hyPCw (former world record sp...
artemis attack poms are pretty meaningless. its like 9% on the first one and just gets way worse from there. he already got chaos gates with much higher attack/dash strike bonuses if I remember correctly. so jolted is just better(especially since the special on rama doesnt stun the enemy, so theres a higher value in them being able to attack immediately after your shot)
narrow pike
Good points, thanks
round umbra
look for twin shot > triple shot > flurry shot = perfect shot = point blank shot...
Is triple for getting close enough to things to sink all 3 shots into them or for hitting multiple things? A lot of enemies seem too small to take multiple triple shot shots.
lean hornet
Twin is more consistent higher damage I think
lean hornet
If you’re often really close triple is prob better but I’ll take twin over triple
round umbra
I always try to point blank with triple and then just die unless I also have exploding.
round umbra
With triple it's dope
Makes it much easier to hit things with all 3 arrows
Otherwise I don't like it, yeah
lucid oar
I’m a twin enjoyer
round umbra
I can't get much use out of triple or exploding without the other
Flurry chain is what I'm always going to want.
proper furnace
Twin is comfy
proper furnace
P.blank or perfect shot really
round umbra
On Hera, I like having the range with the damage coming from elsewhere.
proper furnace
Chain is a nice take if neither show up
round umbra
Perfect blocks flurry which is sad. And In not good enough to perfect on Rama
proper furnace
Flurry rama when
proper furnace
Nah
proper furnace
Chain skewer Achilles
woven nexus
Triple Shot is so good on Rama
round umbra
It does seem not feasible with the arcs, like explosions
woven nexus
you can treat it like a shotgun.....VERY close range
round umbra
Explosive is I think still faster than rams. Not sure
proper furnace
Aphro/arte attack
Go for heart rend idk
proper furnace
Next run then
round umbra
Beating hades special only without rama would be pretty impressive
proper furnace
I think that was zag bow
jolly lance
Beating hades special only without rama would be pretty impressive
i think i did this before since i did bow heat 0-6
proper furnace
I think that was zag bow
Just realized I read your msg wrong
jolly lance
ok fine i will try to attack with bow
i will listen to you
but you need to tell me everything
round umbra
Dash strike
jolly lance
mirror, companion, build and keepsakes
round umbra
Start with aphro keepsake whether zag or hera
jolly lance
i only have access to zag and chiron
proper furnace
Still applies
Aphro attack>can do arte special to unlock heart rend and take advantage of the natural crit>grab hunter dash or divine if you want dmg or safety
Chaos attack/dash strike boons are cool
proper furnace
Swap legacy to pride/golden touch for deep pockets
You want gold at the start to buy more booms/poms when you are weaker
proper furnace
This is hell mode right?
proper furnace
What's your average time?
proper furnace
You dislike MM too right, or was that someone else
round umbra
Still applies
Aphro attack>can do arte special to unlock heart rend and take adv...
I would probably prefer arti cast (or call if that works) for heart rend
proper furnace
I would probably prefer arti cast (or call if that works) for heart rend
Anything works
jolly lance
ok ill try
im starting
i got hammer
explosive shot, piercing volley, perfect shot
proper furnace
I say perfect, explosive can work too ig
proper furnace
Still applies
Aphro attack>can do arte special to unlock heart rend and take adv...
.
jolly lance
not my fault but i have to choose demeter boon
proper furnace
What options?
jolly lance
i can reroll but epic dash, normal aid and touch
proper furnace
Touch for selling later
proper furnace
Would still take it tbh
jolly lance
to sell? ok
proper furnace
Might as well get some benefit from getting hit or extra gold if you sell iy anyways
dapper harness
whick attack is good on hestia except for aphro/arti?
proper furnace
If you see athena-arte on tart is harder to get their dash so that's my thought process
jolly lance
ah ok i will take touch then
proper furnace
whick attack is good on hestia except for aphro/arti?
Dem-athena at good rarity
(epic basically)
dapper harness
alr demeter seems like she doesn't have much synergy with other gods
jolly lance
look i can play game myself, i just wanna see what it happens when i play mostly like you would
dapper harness
the only good one i can think of is cast beam+arti duo boon
proper furnace
i can choose mid charon shop or sis
Your choice tbh
Either gamble to get another good or just take free gold
Can just get a pom on attack/hp idk
worn solar
cold fusion my beloved tho
proper furnace
Save gold ig
lucid oar
whick attack is good on hestia except for aphro/arti?
Shackle is good
dapper harness
until hades?
jolly lance
oh i got afro again
worn solar
well any percent can work on hestia
jolly lance
flourish aid or lament
proper furnace
Lament my beloved
jolly lance
ok then
lucid oar
I have a couple of low 6s with doom attack
jolly lance
should i pom lament or attack
dapper harness
interesting
jolly lance
i think attack yeah?
proper furnace
Attack yeah
dapper harness
attack
proper furnace
Aphro poms are great till like lvl4-5
proper furnace
Wait don't erebus gates offer 3 exits
dapper harness
demeter has 2nd highest %attack, interesting, i shall try this tmmrw
proper furnace
Or you are already out
jolly lance
yes, third exit is heart
dapper harness
i would take the trial
jolly lance
trial it is then
dapper harness
also, is it true that trials can't offer duo boons?
proper furnace
Yes
jolly lance
flourish/aid/nourished soul from dem
dapper harness
damn
proper furnace
Aid if you wanna sell/nourished if you don't want a pommable
dapper harness
(u should also try all boons atleast once, best way learn abt the game)
proper furnace
And also late but I would've chosen either heart or pom tbh
jolly lance
i survived but it was louts in small room with afro heart and louts had 4 dc
proper furnace
Bp1 moment
jolly lance
it was epic too
so far i lost life but still on max, im only attacking, i give good damage
but now a choice of rooms
zeus/chaos gate/charon (i have 456 gold)
jolly lance
given its secong charon room its end of tart soon
proper furnace
Either go for zeus into smair or check shop for other gods (mainly Hermes)
jolly lance
into rd?
proper furnace
Rush delivery
jolly lance
ah
i lost life to EM furies but recovered to max with fountain
no big deal
ok what keepsake now
i had afro
proper furnace
If you want dmg
Either zeus for aid (pairs well with global dmg)
Artemis for hunter dash and something else to open heart rend
Safety just pick Athena's keepsake and get her dash
jolly lance
hmm let me ponder then
gonna go with art
florish/aid/pressure points
should i reroll for dash?
according to spreadsheet only flourish will give me chance for heart rend
i mean in game boon menu
jolly lance
proper furnace
Then you can see heart rend/dash/hunter's mark
proper furnace
Ask away
jolly lance
i know that if you get duo boon that works in destription with weak effect for example and it doesnt have weak it wont work even if its there but
what if i take something that required for duo but doesnt require specific thing to work like that and i remove that required boon
umm you know what im asking?
like flourish here doesnt really require me to have other than to get the boon
proper furnace
Yeah you can sell it later
proper furnace
If your weapon had no crit sources other than that then it would become useless
jolly lance
ye ye i understand
i have half health oof
i dont ask for everything, the further i go the less cause i get the build but
dying lament to level 3 or sweet surrender to level 3
btw i got athena dash anyway
ill take surrender
yeha
em hydra costed me 1 death defiance
i bought it back
but what keepsake now
to elysium
proper furnace
Acorn is a good choice always
random tapir
demeter has 2nd highest %attack, interesting, i shall try this tmmrw
i find dem really weird in that regard because dem has a high attack %, but on the other hand one stack of frost isn't worth much
so it feels pretty strange to put dem on e.g. hestia attack
random tapir
but on the flip side it obviously won't be terrible regardless, just because of sheer damage. So it might be good to do that if you want to open up some duos or something
(but demeter has a lot of bad duos...)
proper furnace
btw do aim assist work on mouse keyboard too?
From what I remember for kbm is turn off aim at cursor and ket the auto aim do it's thing
I play con controller so no clue
jolly lance
which boon
all seem garbage for this build
maybe i should reroll
ok i made some decision on my own but second hammer
proper furnace
Is there twin/triple
jolly lance
hunter mark or instinct
proper furnace
Mark
jolly lance
so i thought
hide breaker or pressure points
hide breaker is normal, pressure points epic
proper furnace
Third option?
jolly lance
true shot (normal)
tight basin
is this zag bow
proper furnace
Cast will make you have slighty higher duo boons due to how the game rolls them but it barely matters
And yeah
jolly lance
is this zag bow
yes it is sir
tight basin
if we still want to hunt for duos then yeah take the cast
pressure points is nice tho
either one of those are fine
jolly lance
wait, taking multiple requirement for duo increases the chance?
proper furnace
Nah
jolly lance
then i already have requirements for heart rend
proper furnace
The game wants to make sure you have all the core alots filled
jolly lance
i just didnt get it
proper furnace
So if you still have an empty slot (cast in this case) the game will always put it as an option
tight basin
game tries to force you to have an attack, special, cast, and dash boon
jolly lance
ah in that way
tight basin
so if you leave 1 slot open it's a passive approval process 1 on normal god boons
jolly lance
i have low health and going to theseus
tight basin
just dont die
proper furnace
Follow hypnos teachings
proper furnace
Yeah
proper furnace
If safety is needed don't try to shotgun it
jolly lance
ok i got it without losing much life
proper furnace
Oh nice
jolly lance
yes
i needed so much reroll i got out of them and it was normal
but yeah i got it
im going full health and 2 dd left to hades
im gonna die
proper furnace
In hypnos you should trust
wintry portal
Ok folks, I dont like beo shield
can I just try zag shield with ddash start and try to get a strong build from there for my sub10 with shield?
would that be to demanding of skill?
Beo feels good to play, I like castin with it. but trying to run with neo annoyis me for some reason
jolly lance
you can probably do anything sub10
proper furnace
do you want the sub 10 with shield? or could you try with other weapon
valid dagger
It's doable but it'll be much worse than Beo
jolly lance
i mean i did zag shield 16
valid dagger
Also ddash start is way too defensive on a weapon that needs all the damage it can get
Start Tidal Dash instead and try to get cshot, dont reset for it but prioritize it above all else
And maybe look for Dio/Zeus call and some other damage sources
If you cant get a good attack you can always go for Shackle
wintry portal
do you want the sub 10 with shield? or could you try with other weapon
I want to get sub10 with all weapons, if thats not too unrealistic
wintry portal
I meant start tidal dash, my bad
valid dagger
Yea that's fine then. Just give it some attempts to get a feel for it
jolly lance
i just need 2 or 3 blood and ill unlock the most powerful item in the game
wintry portal
Start Tidal Dash instead and try to get cshot, dont reset for it but prioritize ...
how worse than crush shot is flood shot?
valid dagger
For what specifically?
wintry portal
zag shield, I have epic tidal dash right now, still in tart 7
Im between flood shot and breaking wave here
and thinking about go for zeus/poseido duo
tird option is call btw
valid dagger
Breaking wave is best. Shoals probably the ideal if you want to roll
wintry portal
I already got shoals
but yeah, breaking wave is probly just more dmg than flood shot right now
valid dagger
Its main reason is Styx but yea it'll just help regardless
Flood Shot isnt great, you're probably not gonna pom it, the homing is annoying and the knockback wont help much. Poseidon has a lot of better options to offer
tight basin
Shoals and bwave are the big ones
Couple of unpommables as well
Wave pounding can be pretty good with a chunky tdash
wintry portal
ok, so my main problem right now is just the ol skill issue 😅
and Im rusty from ULTRAKILLing, but thanks for the help folks, i see I just gotta grind 💪
random tapir
So if you still have an empty slot (cast in this case) the game will always put ...
fwiw I've seen people say this is a rule many times and I've definitely seen it contradicted in my own games
I've definitely had cases where I e.g. kept my dash slot open for poseidon, most of my other primary slots were filled (if not all), get to poseidon, none of the boons are a dash
(and to be clear, not all of the boons offered are primary)
it's either just a probability or the actual rule is more complicated.
proper furnace
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
Thanks nyaanyaa
random tapir
so call isn't a priority slot? that's interesting
Okay, so yeah, indeed the rules are more complicated and you are not guaranteed to get offered a cast
if you have e.g. cast and attack open
you might get offered an attack, but no cast
- is basically only relevant to the start of the game, barring very extreme circumstances
proper furnace
yeah I didn't fully explain cuz they had all but cast filled at that point
random tapir
gotcha, my bad
also it seems like this source says that call is also a priority boon
which is what I would have expected, all the stuff on the elft
proper furnace
best way to think it for me is that call is a core but it doesn't have priority
would be funny getting call on the first boon screen at the start of a run lol
random tapir
hmm interesting so the source I found doesn't make this distinction
so I suppose it's not fully correct
ah yeah, someone corrected them
dang. It really helps to know this stuff to make choices
proper furnace
ah yeah, someone corrected them
made me check and funny enough is Nyaanyaa who corrected them
random tapir
haha
vagrant crane
gg
random tapir
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fil...
btw what's the original source for this, if you ahve it handy?
vagrant crane
nyaanyaa
and im pretty sure they just pooled data from a bunch of runs or something
random tapir
yeah I saw the author's name I was curious if it was part of some larger document somewhere
narrow pike
I thought Achilles Aspect buffs all damage, but doesn't seem to affect dash?
narrow pike
It just says "bonus damage" which sounded like global
random tapir
It just says "bonus damage" which sounded like global
often it helps to look at the wiki
A few times already I've found it to have better information than the in game help
vagrant crane
wiki is often inaccurate
https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/ this is usually right
for instance wiki says kinetic launcher power shot is extra base damage
when it's additive
random tapir
i don't see where that link says anything about aspects other than the hidden one
random tapir
this looks almost identical to in game text
vagrant crane
look at kinetic launcher
random tapir
I mean, okay, the wiki is wrong about one small thing, but it has way more information, and it's much nicer to search
idk the last thing I wanted to look up was details of Marked which the wiki also has correct and doesn't show up here a tall
I guess you can check both, for the info that's actually available there
vagrant crane
idk the last thing I wanted to look up was details of Marked which the wiki also...
what details
it has the stuff u need
warm snow
i mean description ingame is pretty good
vagrant crane
it has the crit chance and the range it's applied out to
random tapir
Yes, but it doesn't tell you it's consumed when a crit occurs
pretty essential info
the wiki discusses status effects separately typically
vagrant crane
oh i thought that was given
random tapir
iirc the in-game description doesn't tell you that either, that's why I went to look it up
why would it be? in game I think it just says there's a duration of 8 seconds.
At any rate, I would use this to double check stuff if I was very invested in it being perfectly correct. the wiki has a lot more stuff and you can ctrl-f
thanks for the link
vagrant crane
if you want more ive got a lot
need to update this
there we og
lol it goes from the top to bottom of the screen
lean flicker
The hidden aspect for the spear is soooooo bad.
and yet I am stuck struggling to do no heat runs with it for the quest.
vagrant crane
The hidden aspect for the spear is soooooo bad.
it’s pretty good
lean flicker
No HP though.
warm snow
just dont get hit
lean flicker
I suppose it could be decent for some crazy butterfly keepsake and super high heat run.
lean flicker
oh yeah, chaos boons are also harder to get.
worn solar
its relatively safe tbh
worn solar
avoid the standing attack combo
vagrant crane
oh yeah if you do the standing strikes you will die
lean flicker
I liked when I could just use the dashing spear aspect and deal tons of damage while being very mobile. Nearly any build worked.
lean flicker
ME?
worn solar
merciful end
lean flicker
is that a boon?
worn solar
ares athena duo
vagrant crane
Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.
Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.
You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).
For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).
There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.
lean flicker
Merciful end seems to be the universal build.
tight basin
For every melee aspect yeah
The core mechanic of dash striking is pretty universal for melee weapons lmao
lean flicker
Now the Excaliber sword looks really good.
vagrant crane
why
lean flicker
Very tanky while being able to do good damage.
vagrant crane
what other aspects have u tried
lean flicker
For the sword specifically?
vagrant crane
sure
lean flicker
The one where I crit more with attacks after using the special and the attack faster one.
vagrant crane
nemesis is very good
lean flicker
Lets see if I can force merciful end to happen. I have never been able to force it.
vagrant crane
don’t need it on nem
lean hornet
Should I use arte for nem for more crit or focus on another % buff
vagrant crane
either works
but if you’re going for a non arty it basically has to be epic
rare aphrodite also works
round umbra
Heart rend looks nice on nem and zag bow
vagrant crane
i don’t like heart rend on zagbow too much because it either requires pash dash or aph attack and i just don’t like the inconsistency of crits with aph atk
round umbra
You're doing arti attack on zag bow?
vagrant crane
yea
lean flicker
Curse of agony heroic. Liking where this is going.
vagrant crane
did u get double edge
lean flicker
what is that?
vagrant crane
hammer
lean flicker
no
round umbra
Where does pwave start and is it affected by attack boons?
Like, can you hit something with the sword and wave at the same time?
lean flicker
Just got offered double edge
vagrant crane
nice
vagrant crane
yea
vagrant crane
Just got offered double edge
with dedge you wanna play pretty differently
are you on kbm or controller
arthur has a really funky attribute regarding dash strikes where if you just hold attack and press dash it’ll do the dash strike
round umbra
Since it starts from zag, so you can't not hit with it if you're hitting with your sword?
vagrant crane
so you wanna dash with a rhythm
don’t do two in a row but dash…dash…dash while holding attack
round umbra
The waves not having auto targeting makes them pretty hard to use on controller but I guess if they re just bonus attack damage.
vagrant crane
can rack up a few thousand damage
lean flicker
are you on kbm or controller
keyboard
vagrant crane
pretty quickly
so yeah just hold mouse and press dash
dash right when the dash strike has fully popped out
that’s the highest dps thing to do on arthur and also the most effective way to apply ME
fleet glacier
tips on speed running?
past hornet
If you use butterfly or plume then unequip it next layer do you keep the boost you got?
tight basin
nope
steep grotto
What’s a decent build for the base sword
steep grotto
Nope used the blood on other weapons
vagrant crane
do you have 1 left
steep grotto
No
vagrant crane
ok
so for zagsword
unlevelled
you basically have a few options for attack
as in nearly every attack works
for % based attacks you want good rarity
but
do you have ares and athena keepsakes
so start ares
take ares attack
look for athena
steep grotto
Have all except demeter
vagrant crane
get athena special and then dash
and get ares+athena duo merciful end
other helpful boon is impending doom from ares
you want to level up impending doom and the doom attack
for damage rotation you special and then do two dash strikes
dash into your enemies
from hermes you want either more dashes or hyper sprint then rush felivery
either works
vagrant crane
do you have fated persuasion
steep grotto
Yeah one
vagrant crane
ok
steep grotto
I’m currently in the process of lvling it
vagrant crane
probably fine
do you have the upgrade for keys give you rolls
and do you have dark foresight enabled
steep grotto
I think so
vagrant crane
dark foresight is actually probably more important than persuasion levels
so level that up as much as possible it’s one of the most important mirror options
good luck
it’s a very fun build
oh and for hammers
vagrant crane
yep
behind that is piercing wave
otherwise whatever
just don’t take:
cursed slash, flurry slash, world splitter, dash nova
all of those are actively negative
steep grotto
So far i think I’ve enjoyed chiron the most
vagrant crane
have you tried hera
steep grotto
Yeah
vagrant crane
what build did you do
vagrant crane
oh yeah that’s not gonna work too wel
hera is one of the best aspects in the game and it has precisely one real build
steep grotto
I love that but it didn’t work good with bow
steep grotto
hera is one of the best aspects in the game and it has precisely one real build
Which one
vagrant crane
just get and pom crush shot
supplemental stuff is snow burst, rush delivery, chaos grasp and shot boons, well items, and sometimes mirage shot
steep grotto
Ah i see
vagrant crane
and also makes them all pop out at once
and crush shot has really high damage and good pom scaling
so yeah
it just amounts to big damage
also decent AOE
steep grotto
Nice nice
narrow pike
Any way to somewhat consistently get Artemis Legendary? I never managed to get it because the prerequisites are tight, and you need to see Artemis many many times in your run, but you can only force a god once. Anything I'm missing?
Aside from "just always get lucky LOL" which doesn't count
valid dagger
Any way to somewhat consistently get Artemis Legendary? I _never_ managed to get...
Nope you're not. Getting legendaries is just inconsistent. Make sure you fill your god pool asap and do not open any duos that involve Artemis
Look for Yarns, Chaos Favor, Nectar from Eury, they all increase the odds by 10%
But yea you have to be eligible first
narrow pike
Okay then....
round umbra
Nope you're not. Getting legendaries is just inconsistent. Make sure you fill yo...
Alas usually when going for Artemis legendaries you want some of her duos
No consistency, super high potential
outer sonnet
Okay then....
Make sure that you have TWO of the required boons
I didnt realize that I need two until I was many hours into the game
narrow pike
Well aware, thanks. It's just that 2 out of 3 prereq boons are Tier 2, and you will often take unrelated Artemis boons like Attack before you get to any of these, so in the end you have to see her like at least 5-6 times
If you could, maybe it wouldn't be so hard. But how?
Maybe rerolling rooms could make it more likely
But hardly worth the loss of ability to reroll boons
round umbra
Exit wounds isn't even possible to get in the runs (styg soul with non lodging casts) I want fully loaded the most 😔
narrow pike
Oh yeah that too! The prereqs really hurt
random tapir
i got fully loaded recently on a sort of crit build where I didn't care about casts at all
kind of funny
but legendaries are indeed so much more annoying to go for than duos
acoustic skiff
random tapir
Is it known for sure whether dodge stacks additively or multiplicatively
I've tried to google this and it didn't seem conclusive
proper furnace
Additive
proper furnace
Ruthless reflex is also fun
Won't be 100% uptime but most of the time you'll be at 100% dodge chance
random tapir
Yeah, although combining ruthless reflex here is a bit tricky because you lose a dodge, and we're already counting on hermes for second wind
so we don't want to need another boon from him (to get more dodges)
i guess instead of zag fists you could run gilgamesh
and ruthless reflex
random tapir
hah
with gilgamesh though this seems like it would legit be pretty effective
smair + second wind isn't guaranteed but it's not that hard to get either
random tapir
additive means if it gets to 100% you're invulnerable
round umbra
Yee dawg
random tapir
Unless there's undodgeable stuff
round umbra
Only way I can do fists
random tapir
Well, gilgamesh + ruthless reflex + smair + second wind
you're already at 80% every time it procs
round umbra
Plume
random tapir
yeah
the problem is that it's hard to go plume early here and reliably get second wind
round umbra
Zag plume ruthless and hope for some nice Hermes
random tapir
sorry, and reliably get smair
random tapir
FP doesn't help, I mean you want to get aphro and zeus
smair will give you 100% uptime on second wind, which is 30% dodge chance
proper furnace
A decent plume can get you 30%+ too
random tapir
how stringent is "quickly" for most people? I guess that's kind of impossible to answer
proper furnace
There is a timer under the plume
random tapir
sure, I figured