i mean before that interaction was figured out, it would've been considered a free damage boost
#h1-builds-and-combat
tight basin
i mean i forgot about the bug until i tried to cshot a wringer
tight basin
i had good wells yeah
vagrant crane
this wasn’t instaphase?
tight basin
i sold purge to kill before styx for a well
vagrant crane
was it insta(7 stones)phase
tight basin
i think like 5 stones or something but 2 volleys
maybe
oh it might've been 3 stones but i got confused with mirage shot
idk
too many stones
too many booms
tight basin
what was ur arty core
arty special, sold before aspho to buy a stone
had 10 gold going in, sold for 40, bought stone for 50 lmao
wintry portal
wat
tight basin
Rare crop bug was only found within the last few months lmao
wintry portal
I dont know that bug 😭
tight basin
It's more of a thing on Hera and beo afaik
I think Hera has like variable cast damage or something?
And if you get your cast rare cropped after you get cshot then cshot does 50 damage instead
Attack upgrade or sell with passion/icy flare makes your flare tiny
wintry portal
well, not taking that with hera then
lean hornet
There’s a rare crop bug?
wintry portal
weird stuff ..
tight basin
Afaik it's only on those two aspects lmao
Idk if others have looked into other aspects yet
round umbra
Would be curious to know the hera rare crop specifics
tight basin
idrk the specifics of it tbh
iirc it was discovered on hera before beo and it had like variable damage
vagrant crane
idt anyone knows the specifics
vagrant crane
yea
tight basin
i could be wrong but i think i heard that it was like variable rarity damage
so it'll take the damage from either common, rare, epic, or heroic? i could just be wrong on that tho lmao
wintry portal
how much does than keepsake helps with dmg?
wondering about doing a EM4 restia
maybe shackle, maybe butterfly maybe just aphro start
vagrant crane
not much
wintry portal
like, how % would start to actually be good
tight basin
i think you can peak it at like 60% if you're good enough
vagrant crane
you're better off just doing aph start into ddash in aspho into acorn
vagrant crane
i think you can peak it at like 60% if you're good enough
more like 50
acorn is probably more effective
tight basin
i remember a reddit post getting it to 60% lmao
or something like that
stupid high
but yeah you'd rather keep acorn for the fight
vagrant crane
imagine getting like 3x erebus extensions
wintry portal
well, I wasnt considering doing acorn cuz I will do just em4, with no more heat, so im hoping I dont need that much help, just dmg
gun is my worst weapon overall
wintry portal
no, I need to make restia do dmg
wintry portal
wait... thats for speed or restia needs that for good dmg?
vagrant crane
well
it depends on what you mean by good damage
like
what tier
if it's just to take care of em4 you could do that with a very barebones build
just epic aph atk and ddash
wintry portal
oh ok then 🧐
good dmg I mean like, dont need to spent half a hour shooting the guy
vagrant crane
shouldnt take more than 4-5 min
with very barebones
if you get good other stuff you can make it go faster
smoldering air with zeus call
tight basin
hestia isn't particularly fast at em4 is it
just too big of an hp pool to go fast
i'd probably go for like rod or something
round umbra
Global damage boosts always mathematically feel wasted on attack and special when there is lightning and other harder to buff things out there.like, I know every bit helps. But still
vagrant crane
thats where tdash comes in
round umbra
I probably should try out eris tdash
vagrant crane
def the best dash for eris
for non heat
probably even up to like 45
if you do delta chamber at least
proper furnace
Why delta specifically
Delta makes it so you keep your iframes on dash strikes
proper furnace
Delta big comfy
west solstice
if anyone knows any good builds for arthur sword and gilgamesh / demeter please @ me, sleeping now
vagrant crane
for arthur and gilgamesh the best build is to not use arthur and gilgamesh
for demeter just do ME
ares attack
athena special
athena dash
athena+ares duo
impending doom
hyper sprint + rush delivery or greatest reflex at rare or epic from hermes
pom curse of agony and impending doom a lot
since u wanted one, @west solstice
last topaz
what's a good achilles build
lucid oar
what's a good achilles build
#h1-discussion message this lol
last topaz
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/520429929721233464/1129750342939...
literally the build i'm going for rn
lucid oar
Nice
last topaz
i just suck at using slicing shot since i don't really do cast builds
also i don't have achilles maxed
okay this is not going to plan
i have 13 HP going into lernie
at least i got hunting blades
pine torrent
gl
last topaz
is vicious cycle even that good with this
well i got it so we'll see ig
my hermes luck continues to be absolutely awful
i did not get patroclus
last topaz
well this isn't a high heat run
it's literally my first time using achilles
i'll be fine, i just played terribly in aspho
tight basin
is vicious cycle even that good with this
well i got it so we'll see ig
I mean it's some free damage even if it's bugged lmao
So theres not really a reason to not take it
Especially because ares doesn't really offer anything good after you get hunting blades
If you see it you just take it because why not
And if you want you can sell it for money if you need to lmao
tame nebula
I've used a bow build utilising the cast stacked on top. I want to try a different weapon. Any good build combos i should know?
vagrant crane
beo
tawdry estuary
How far do you have to upgrade the bow for it to stop being absolutely garbage? I've only got a few levels in the upgrades for it right now, but it's just such a pathetic weapon right now... 
vagrant crane
zagbow lvl5
chiron never stops being garbo
hera lvl1
rama works at lvl1 but gets a lot better with lvl5
tawdry estuary
Gotcha. Thanks. Haven’t gotten far enough to unlock rama so I’m not sure how helpful it will be, but it better be good or the bow will just end up the worst weapon by far.
tawdry estuary
Fists are one of the best weapons from my experience so far, but maybe that changes on higher heats.
vagrant crane
hera is like one of the best aspects in the game
and so is rama
zagbow is pretty good
and chiron is pretty irredeemably bad
but for speed hera is the second best aspect and for heat rama is the second best aspect
at least past maybe 55
tawdry estuary
I’ll take your word for it. I didn’t think they would be that helpful, but I’m not sure what rama does yet on account of not having it unlocked. As for hera, I guess I can see how it’s useful if you go into a cast build. I just don’t usually do that.
vagrant crane
cast builds r the strongest builds in the game
attack and special scaling kind of fall off in the later biomes
they can still be good
tawdry estuary
I guess that must be more of an issue at higher heats. Usually I get 3-4K DPS with those.
vagrant crane
just like not as good as a cast build would be
vagrant crane
I guess that must be more of an issue at higher heats. Usually I get 3-4K DPS wi...
on what weps
tawdry estuary
Fists, swords.
vagrant crane
you're not pulling 3-4k dps on sword or fists without the most cracked ME build known to man
tawdry estuary
I don’t have them very upgraded, though. Only like two blood in each.
vagrant crane
that's instaphase damage
tawdry estuary
Multiplier stacking goes brrrr
vagrant crane
Multiplier stacking goes brrrr
damage in this game is additive
tawdry estuary
It still ends up at ludicrous amounts.
tight basin
3-4k on ME is straight up Beowulf damage lmfao
tawdry estuary
Once you get seven or eight multipliers, those numbers get big.
tight basin
Everything is additive
vagrant crane
Once you get seven or eight multipliers, those numbers get big.
they don't multiply
tawdry estuary
I got my sword to 1k per hit before lmfao
tawdry estuary
they don't multiply
Yes, but they still end up at ludicrous amounts.
vagrant crane
https://youtu.be/J9p7P_5LoAY?t=1113 this is my fastest fists dad fight and it's with an obscene build
and even that doesnt instaphase with just the 6 dashes
tawdry estuary
Anyway, I guess I need to keep working on grinding out blood so I can upgrade stuff. Thanks for the help!
vagrant crane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1129143704620384317/begonefather.mp4 meanwhile beo pulls this out with just pretty good juice
tight basin
I should turn my good dad fights into gifs
lime lintel
What gods to look after on bow?
tight basin
Depends on the bow aspect
tight basin
I should turn my good dad fights into gifs
I thought I had a good Achilles dad fight but turns out it was like a minute long :(
tight basin
Ice wine isn't fast apparently
lime lintel
Depends on the bow aspect
Don't have XD
tight basin
Oh I didn't have Rd lmao that tracks
tight basin
Don't have XD
Oh lmao
Aphrodite attack probably
Pom it a lot
Preferably rare or epic
Look for tidal dash after
lime lintel
would dio special be good?
vagrant crane
special on bow is useless
rocky burrow
special on bow is useless
Aspect of chiron’s honest reaction:
tight basin
Well they don't have Chiron
tight basin
Local try hard does not like non-meta aspects
rocky burrow
Local try hard does not like non-meta aspects
What are the meta aspects?
rocky burrow
everything that isn’t chiron
Damn is Chiron that bad?
vagrant crane
Damn is Chiron that bad?
it’s the worst aspect in the game for speed
oh wait
2nd worst
rocky burrow
it’s the worst aspect in the game for speed
Well you do have to alternate…
vagrant crane
gotta pay my disrespects to gilga
tight basin
Well you do have to alternate…
That and the special animation is just slow in general
And most of the time doesn't one shot
And no aoe
vagrant crane
and no funs
rocky burrow
and no funs
What’s the funnest aspects in your opinion then?
I think Zeus shield is fun
fluid canyon
Wait this is news to me, Chiron has my highest heat record. I just melted all three of upgraded hades’ phases with Chiron
And I actually fully upgraded gilg because I do really well with it lmao
round umbra
Wait this is news to me, Chiron has my highest heat record. I just melted all th...
The best aspect is always going to be the one your e most comfortable with. For Jazz, that is not Chiron.
lime lintel
how to build hera crush shot
vagrant crane
get crush shot
pom it
gg
you can take like deadly strike
if u want
but it's mostly just crush shot
tight basin
Snow burst
tight basin
And I actually fully upgraded gilg because I do really well with it lmao
I mean in terms of speed, gilga and Chiron aren't that great. They have a good chunk of short comings and other aspects are just better. If you don't really care about speed (or high heat) then it doesn't really matter, just use whatever you want
lime lintel
Im using fists, i got Ares, Athena (for the duo boon), what other gods should i take?
vagrant crane
best are zeus and artemis
vagrant crane
gg
do you have the dash
if u dont have divine dash yet
you can fit a dash strike and dash special into the same dash
just dash strike and then tap special
quickly
lime lintel
do you have the dash
not yet
tight basin
You're gonna need that
vagrant crane
yeah
iron grove
what are best hammer and boons for aspect of demeter
valid dagger
what are best hammer and boons for aspect of demeter
Best hammers are Breaching Cross, Explosive Upper and Kinetic Launcher. Strongest build is Merciful End with Doom on Attack, but you can just do whatever flat damage on the attack and look for supporting boons like Tidal Dash, Zeus Call, Lightning Rod, Smoldering Air etc
iron grove
Best hammers are Breaching Cross, Explosive Upper and Kinetic Launcher. Stronges...
what boon for special? any percent based?
valid dagger
what boon for special? any percent based?
If you’re going for the ME build it has to be Athena. Otherwise yes.
iron grove
If you’re going for the ME build it has to be Athena. Otherwise yes.
ME cringe
it takes to much effort
woven nexus
I am enjoying Shield's gameplay very much. That just reflects on how I like my combat. A bit slower and with options of defense.
It really became obvious in the Satyr tunnels
vagrant crane
beo styx 🔥
south sonnet
excluding duos, would it be better to focus a single boons into a single god, or get every possible one for family favorite
or is it all situational based on weapon and hammers
round umbra
excluding duos, would it be better to focus a single boons into a single god, or...
Once you get 4 non-hermes gods, the game won't give you anymore unless you force one with a keepsake.
It's pretty situational. If you're doing a lot of stuff, you'll probably want to get jolted and splitting bolt (with has pre-requisites), for example. Opening up the right duos can help. Getting support fire on a fast attack weapon is nice.
So, in short, it depends.
vagrant crane
going specifically for splitting is not generally worth it
if you get a screen with storm lightning sure
but there are more impactful things
round umbra
If you've got zeus attack on a fast attack, going for more zeus is probably generally a good call. Option of jolted or splitting bolt setup
vagrant crane
double strike and zeus call in particular
south sonnet
so far im just spamming festive fog
vagrant crane
trippy shot feels good in tart and then rapidly drops off
without scaling
what wep
round umbra
Its duos are fun. Using stg soul with it with Hera or Beo is also fun, esp with duos.
Probably a good time with Achilles and Eris too
vagrant crane
on achilles you kinda need ice wine for it to wrok
which is hard cause dem sucks on achilles
south sonnet
got to hades second phase with high tolerance and the damage increase when in the fog, granted it was with epic and legendary and me being slightly smarter(i just facetanked without expecting a second phase)
south sonnet
so far im just spamming festive fog
and also i cant find any better cast related boons
vagrant crane
electric shot and phalanx shot are the best casts on non cast builds
south sonnet
havent seen them in a while, mainly aphrodite, ares(its been years), zeus, and artemis
round umbra
zeus is electric
artemis is just kind of upgraded basic. Seems good for triggering boiling blood/its alt
vagrant crane
tight basin
which is hard cause dem sucks on achilles
Just get Dem special
rocky burrow
Just got Beowulf shield, what gods can it use?
round umbra
Just got Beowulf shield, what gods can it use?
Are you asking about what strong builds are with it?
vagrant crane
Just get Dem special
no
vagrant crane
have you considered not having dem
tight basin
Have you considered leaving tart with Dio cast
vagrant crane
no
tight basin
Sounds like a you problem
languid hornet
@sour tundra What have you tried so far?
sour tundra
I'm favoring the Chiron bow and am pulling 16-20 min runs mostly everytime now~
17-20*
vagrant crane
chiron doesnt help with cast build or good time
sour tundra
just upgraded last 2 skills with the 30 key unlock so im guessing i should be able to hit that more comfortably now
vagrant crane
most cast builds r on aspects that buff cast
and most good times are on not chiron
round umbra
Hera is the "cast bow"
sour tundra
but mostly im just looking for new ideas, since I kind of stuck with Chiron and found some good god combinations
vagrant crane
just upgraded last 2 skills with the 30 key unlock so im guessing i should be ab...
do you have dark foresight, fiery presence, fated persuasion, family favorites on
round umbra
If you are limited on titan blood id recommend Hera level 1, stygian soul on the mirror, and dio cast.
worn solar
good source thats also in pins https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
vagrant crane
If you are limited on titan blood id recommend Hera level 1, stygian soul on the...
crush shot is a lot more consistent
the easy way to do hera is to just get crush shot with infernal soul and pom it a lot
round umbra
Just annoying waiting 9 seconds for them to drop against bosses
sour tundra
do you have dark foresight, fiery presence, fated persuasion, family favorites o...
all of them: no
vagrant crane
all of them: no
those are the mirror options to swap
round umbra
And not having to pick up casts can help keep distance and stay safe
worn solar
dark foresight and persuasion are pretty important for getting op builds consistently
vagrant crane
this is the mirror used 99% of the time
thick skin swapped to high confidence for speedruns
sour tundra
sounds like I need to respec
vagrant crane
it's worth respeccing for dark foresight
thats the most important swapped mirror option
persuasion is expensive but also important
fiery is cheap
round umbra
Are you going for pure speed or first clear or high heat?
vagrant crane
and fam favs isnt suuuper important but is good
vagrant crane
Are you going for pure speed or first clear or high heat?
they just want a cast build
that works
presumably without needing extra stones
or other hard to get rng
round umbra
Fire a big bomb and run away for 3 seconds was good for my survival.
Easier than dashing in to grab stones
Esp with the stun
vagrant crane
it's easier to have better damage
if they're dead you don't risk anything dashing in
and hera basically one shots everything
round umbra
Bosses were where I lost the most hp
sour tundra
and hesta bow is a good aspect for cast builds?
sour tundra
1st being rail gun?
sour tundra
which one is that? i only have access to 3 on each, cant find it
round umbra
Achilles works well with casts too
round umbra
Enjoy
sour tundra
ty all
vagrant crane
gg
sour tundra
Fiery Presence, High Confidence, 87%+ dmg to undamaged from chaos+lv5 trueshot +2 cast from item + ability, 39% cast dmg + heart rend... and I'm only at chamber 35 😄 fun
rocky burrow
Are you asking about what strong builds are with it?
Yea
vagrant crane
start poseidon
get flood flare
get artemis attack (or special if attack isnt on screen, dont use special tho)
get artemis + poseidon duo boon
mirage shot
see if you can get hyper sprint and then rush delivery from hermes
grasp or shot boosts from chaos
prometheus stones and braid of atlases from wells
woven nexus
Ok so I remember bananas mentioning that only 1-2 builds would use the Legendary/Duo mirror ability
I now know one is Mirage Shot for Beowulf
what's the possible other?
valid dagger
what's the possible other?
It could be Merciful End on Zeus Shield. In terms of meta the only weapon that runs Legacy is Beowulf. But you could run it on basically anything, it's just that Pride is stronger
tight basin
Yeah merciful end
Not really specific to Zeus shield tho
You might get shafted by bad doom rarity tho lmao
vagrant crane
Legacy infernal eris for rod strats
round umbra
I give rod strats the coward seal of approval
Though I guess Zeus shield and leave that out too while hiding behind it might be even easier for survival
round umbra
Wild. Cause extra damage is extra damage?
round umbra
What is the range on them?
round umbra
Jolted doesn't hurt
vagrant crane
rail shot range is 710
round umbra
What's max bow range?
vagrant crane
idk
round umbra
So putting them in the middle means they will almost always hit hades
vagrant crane
yea u usually put them top left corner ish
round umbra
Central but out of the way?
south sonnet
when does hades shoot the skulls in phase 1
worn solar
when does hades shoot the skulls in phase 1
whenever he wants to wdym
manic cradle
how often does slicing shot hit? like how many times per second
vagrant crane
0.2s
manic cradle
thanks
south sonnet
<:thanthink:669246004142538753> whenever he wants to wdym
he always does it after the first hit after dissappearing, so just wondering if there were any other patterns
urban wing
Whats the best starting boon for fists of talos? My option is ares, artemis or aphrodite
urban wing
Yeah
vagrant crane
idt talos has the wherewithal to do splash start
so ares atk
idk what arty or aph do for you
urban wing
What does arty and aph mean
vagrant crane
artemis or aphrodite
urban wing
Oooooo
Well
If you just keep pummeling the crit and weak stacks so much that its just annoying
vagrant crane
weak doesnt stack
vagrant crane
it's either inflicted or not
urban wing
Maybe diyonisus
urban wing
Thanks for the recomendations
dense lily
Hi! I've only beat the final boss 5 times, 4 of which were with Coronacht on Chiron in slowly increasing heat. I love it, but I don't want to get tired of it by exploring other weapons and aspects. What should I try if I liked Chiron Coronacht?
outer sonnet
Try the gun or the spear
proper furnace
If you like the single dmg part of chiron prob hestia is my guess
Just play hestia anyways
vagrant crane
hestia is like if they made chiron good
grand zenith
Ah.
vagrant crane
this is incomprehensible
wintry portal
15heat is low heat enough that "everythin in hades can work" still works?
vagrant crane
yea
lime lintel
what to take with nemesis sword
round umbra
Merciful end or crit build is what was said
cosmic egret
I just wanted to say that i got very luck, I got both Heart Rend, Curse Of Longing and Unhealthy Fixation, all in one Boon.
But Idk witch to choose
cosmic egret
well its just a random build not too strong and it focuses on dash striking
tight basin
what aspect
vagrant crane
?
tight basin
is that arty cast and aphro special tho
cosmic egret
i kinda new and don't know wdym by cores
tight basin
cores reffer to attack, special, cast, dash, or call
those boons are typically used to open up duos
cosmic egret
Ohhhh
tight basin
and at least 1 is generally needed for a legendary
depending where your cores are, heart rend might be useless
cosmic egret
So Curse Of Longing
tight basin
no
curse of longing is legitimately useless
how often are you actually using your cast is my question
tight basin
if you're using it a lot in this run then heart rend would be pretty neat assuming you hit the 10% crit chance
vagrant crane
well
tight basin
vagrant crane
id take lego
cosmic egret
lego?
vagrant crane
legendary
cosmic egret
oh
tight basin
jazz you gotta stop using shorthand/abbreviations for newer players lmao
cosmic egret
alr so i take the lego
unreal tree
lego
lime lintel
Merciful end or crit build is what was said
as someone who beat the game for its first time yesterday with merciful end, this puts a smile on my face
narrow pike
Looking for advice on Coronacht. Any particularly strong aspects / builds to aim for?
vagrant crane
best aspects for bow are everything other than chiron
on zagbow get twin/triple/perfect/point blank/flurry hammer
artemis attack
tidal dash
zeus call if u can
and then win
on hera just get crush shot and pom it
on rama
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
thanks MiKE
narrow pike
Hmm don't remember the names of all the boons offhand so I'd have to do some wiki searching
vagrant crane
most follow a formula
for attack it’s adjective strike
special is adjective flourish
dash is adjective dash
call is god’s aid
and you learn the adjectives
narrow pike
Oh thank you, I never noticed
vagrant crane
the other boons are different
one off unique effects
like dying lament
or pressure points
but those generally don’t have acronyms or other names
round umbra
Are twin and triple compatible hammers?
round umbra
Yeye, just realized that's a misconception I had.
narrow pike
Flurry Shot hammer is only one I found that makes the bow usable for me
vagrant crane
Flurry Shot hammer is only one I found that makes the bow usable for me
the issue is probably not dash striking
do you do dash strike power shots
narrow pike
Hmm haven't bothered really
vagrant crane
round umbra
(Dash striking reduces the charge up time and max damage of the bow)
vagrant crane
Hmm haven't bothered really
yea if you don’t bow is unusable
vagrant crane
make sure to power shot too
round umbra
Explosive triple shot is very nice
vagrant crane
idr like explosive
narrow pike
Avoid Aspect of Chiron because why? Because Special is useful for clearing enemy shots, or because the gimmick doesn't improve DPS?
vagrant crane
it’s just way slower and less damage dealing than the others
round umbra
idr like explosive
I'm defs not a fan without triple
narrow pike
Also while at it, Aspect of Hera "Bloodstone Drop Time" ← WTF is this? Wiki provides no explanation. Also I use Stygian Soul (Bloodstone auto-regen), so does that even do anything?
vagrant crane
well you’re allowed to swap the mirror talent
narrow pike
I just really don't like chasing Bloodstones
vagrant crane
it’s the amount of time it takes for a lodged stone to dislodge
round umbra
It's worse to upgrade with stygian usually lol
vagrant crane
hera is also just worse with stygian
tight basin
https://youtu.be/G0sIE9N7_9o
you should've compared dash strikes to standing strikes tbh
vagrant crane
unless using trippy
round umbra
Hera stygian trippy is v fun
vagrant crane
you should've compared dash strikes to standing strikes tbh
i need to make a new one that doesn’t show hidden aspects anyways
vagrant crane
Hera stygian trippy is v fun
can be fun but is a lot less consistent
and compared to beo, trippy has a lot less benefit on hera
since crush shot already has insane damage
and trippy hera doesn’t have pom bug
tight basin
i need to make a new one that doesn’t show hidden aspects anyways
oh lmao how's that going
vagrant crane
and you can’t wallbug with stygian
vagrant crane
oh lmao how's that going
haven’t started lol
tight basin
incredibly based
vagrant crane
it takes like 20 seconds
i just hit record and do some dash strikes
just haven’t bothered setting up the thing
narrow pike
on zagbow get twin/triple/perfect/point blank/flurry hammer
artemis attack
tidal dash
zeus call if u can
Why Poseidon dash and Zeus call specifically?
tight basin
well you need make a new save that doesnt show hidden aspects
tight basin
> on zagbow get twin/triple/perfect/point blank/flurry hammer
> artemis attack
>...
poseidon dash just big damage and aoe
vagrant crane
> on zagbow get twin/triple/perfect/point blank/flurry hammer
> artemis attack
>...
dash has great damage and huge aoe
tight basin
zeus call is just a thing i guess
vagrant crane
zeus call is just good supplemental damage
tight basin
least important thing there tbh
vagrant crane
it’s not necessary
tight basin
still good but dont worry about it
narrow pike
It seems to be melee-only though, and you suggested it for Coronacht
vagrant crane
why would it be melee only
narrow pike
The one or two times I tried it, it seemed to be very close range
vagrant crane
also did you know that hades actually doesn’t feature any ranged weapons
tight basin
you play bow mid to close range
vagrant crane
that’s right
tight basin
so the call is still good value
vagrant crane
ranged weapons are actually melee weapons in disguise
worn solar
you want to be in their faces with bow
tight basin
also you want to be relatively close to get value off of tdash
worn solar
well backs
tight basin
you want to be in their faces with bow
this is especially true if you have triple shot
vagrant crane
oh and use fiery presence
bow without fiery sucks ass in tart
i mean
everything without fiery sucks in tart
but bow especially
oh also
worn solar
kiting up close helps you to group up enemies and bait attacks in the directions you want them
vagrant crane
one boon that’s very important is hunters mark
can bring your crit rate up to 100% easily
narrow pike
Hmm Fiery Presence seems neat for normal enemies but not so much for bosses, which tend to be time-consuming so I've been using Shadow Presence lately... But it might be harder to backstab with the bow...
vagrant crane
it’s just usually better to have fiery
narrow pike
Can you proc Hunter's Mark on just 1 enemy?
vagrant crane
no but you rarely face only 1 enemy
narrow pike
Minos bull comes to mind
vagrant crane
and the way marked usually ends up is you one shotting each enemy
narrow pike
Hades too, to some extent
narrow pike
Fair point
round umbra
"Bow is a melee weapon" was definitely not helpful advice until I was going for speed lol
vagrant crane
i mean if you wanna hit them with tdash and line things up
just simpler to play close range
round umbra
And takes more skill
vagrant crane
especially with twin
narrow pike
Thanks for the advice so far
vagrant crane
also don’t forget boiling blood
narrow pike
More question: ways to make Hera aspect shine?
vagrant crane
sticking your cast into fat enemies or bosses for that damage is big
worn solar
well you need to play close with other weapons anyways
vagrant crane
More question: ways to make Hera aspect shine?
get crush shot
pom it a lot
use infernal soul
instant win
it is quite literally that simple
narrow pike
Tried Hera with Infernal Soul once and felt pain from chasing Bloodstones... really want that Hermes succccc but hard to get
vagrant crane
gets more complex but just to start out that is it
vagrant crane
Tried Hera with Infernal Soul once and felt pain from chasing Bloodstones... rea...
it’s easier to get them if the enemy is dead
warm snow
More question: ways to make Hera aspect shine?
flurry shot
worn solar
Tried Hera with Infernal Soul once and felt pain from chasing Bloodstones... rea...
yeah thats why you pretend hera is a melee weapon 
vagrant crane
don’t need flurry
round umbra
Playing with infernal soul is a lot of chasing
warm snow
Playing with infernal soul is a lot of chasing
Dash:
round umbra
It's good once your e good at it
vagrant crane
it is way easier than trying to do stygian builds
cast management is just part of playing hera
you figure out pretty quick
worn solar
just get 2 chaos bloodstones every time in tart easy
round umbra
Try out crush shot with infernal and trippy flare with stygian
vagrant crane
we all send stones flying from time to time
narrow pike
With Hera, does cast damage scale with attack damage in any way?
vagrant crane
With Hera, does cast damage scale with attack damage in any way?
no
cast damage scales with chaos shots and braids and global damage
worn solar
get rush delivery and free win
narrow pike
Also, I picked Demeter turrets in Hera + Infernal Soul run hoping they'd drop AT MY FEET, and instead they dropped AT ARROW HIT. At that point I gave up and threw the run
round umbra
Achilles beams ❤️
narrow pike
I was picking Hera thinking "Demeter turrets"! It would have been SO NICE!
vagrant crane
achilles blades❤️
round umbra
Achilles is for Demeter turrets
worn solar
just do cold embrace hera
vagrant crane
just get crush shot
narrow pike
Why specifically on Hera?
narrow pike
How does +attack damage interact with Hera's gimmick
vagrant crane
phalanx on hera is an easy way to lose all your stones
narrow pike
I thought you'd be relying on Cast damage a bit more
vagrant crane
How does +attack damage interact with Hera's gimmick
you get more attack damage
round umbra
It boosts your attack danage
vagrant crane
I thought you'd be relying on Cast damage a bit more
you do
worn solar
crush shot is the highest base damage cast
narrow pike
Pretty sure Artemis gives you more on average, but it's inconsistent
And not much more
narrow pike
Maybe I forgot to count the spread. Anyway they're similar, and I get the point
worn solar
artemis isnt aoe
narrow pike
Hmm Crush Shot is Cast, not Attack. My bad, I was remembering wrong
vagrant crane
it's not that big but it'll hit bunched up enemies
vagrant crane
Hmm Crush Shot is Cast, not Attack. My bad, I was remembering wrong
yeah casts generally end in shot
attacks always end in strike
https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/ heres a helpful site for boon names and such
narrow pike
Hera + Crush Shot = ranged or still melee?
vagrant crane
Hera + Crush Shot = ranged or still melee?
depends on how you play it
tight basin
melee ideally
vagrant crane
but you wanna be in close
worn solar
play in enemies faces
vagrant crane
to do lower charges
tight basin
less cast chasing if they're in front of your face
narrow pike
I mean does it actually extend the range of Crush Shots?
vagrant crane
yea thats the entire point
tight basin
technically it does
vagrant crane
it would be ass
narrow pike
Interesting!
vagrant crane
it pops out at the attack
end
tip
whatever
let me see if i can find a decent vod
tight basin
crush shot's weakness is the fact that it has horrid range, hera fixes that
narrow pike
It's like my Demeter turret problem but actually good in this case
vagrant crane
yea
tight basin
also lets you burst casts, which you can't do normally unless you have flurry shot from hermes
warm snow
thats why stones arent so useful on achilles
oh weird
vagrant crane
https://youtu.be/P2HEOx1bkag this isnt like a representative sample of the average run but it shows the hera gimmick pretty well
narrow pike
Why did someone mention Demeter on Achilles? The gimmick increases Attack damage, so how are they relevant
vagrant crane
and the advantages it gives you
vagrant crane
Why did someone mention Demeter on Achilles? The gimmick increases Attack damage...
it increases cast as well
narrow pike
Ooooh?
warm snow
achilles is a castspect
by that logic so is Eris
tight basin
yeah i was told not to take stones on achilles and get attack damage from chaos lmao
vagrant crane
~~by that logic so is Eris~~
eris, unlike achilles, has had science done to figure out how to deal damage past aspho without casts
warm snow
clock
round umbra
But if there is a gun castpect, it's eris. and I fricken guess talos
warm snow
nah Talos is known for caspect
tight basin
"known"
narrow pike
Hmm alright, Zag Aspect + Attack boons, Hera + Crush Shot + Infernal Soul, also flat damage increases for Special. I might have to wait with Hera though, 10s drop time sounds painful on bosses
vagrant crane
dont get special stuff
vagrant crane
Hmm alright, Zag Aspect + Attack boons, Hera + Crush Shot + Infernal Soul, also ...
10 seconds is the normal drop time
warm snow
only on chiron and chiron sucks
worn solar
can get quick reload from hermes
warm snow
lol
narrow pike
Well, my aspects are unleveled and Rama is missing for now
narrow pike
It's much cheaper so I might start with 5/5 Zag
lucid oar
Hmm alright, Zag Aspect + Attack boons, Hera + Crush Shot + Infernal Soul, also ...
Level 5 hera makes the drop time 5 seconds, which can be shortened even further with quick reload from hermes
narrow pike
Hera 10s drop time + bosses = pain?
vagrant crane
Hera 10s drop time + bosses = pain?
wall bug
narrow pike
Please enlighten
lucid oar
Don’t worry about wall bug
It’s what speedrunners use
Quick reload and levelling up the aspect are gonna be the easiest ways to decrease the drop time
vagrant crane
Shooting your cast at an enemy while they are near an obstacle can prevent your cast from lodging
only applicable in some situatioons
particularly against heroes
narrow pike
Hmm didn't really know about Quick Reload due to running the other Soul, might try going for that
vagrant crane
if you see hyper sprint instead take it
and after that see if u can get rush delivery
for a free 50-100% additive buff on your cast
narrow pike
Hyper Sprint is my favorite for general speed, hard to pass
vagrant crane
just rememeber to dash before you shoot
vagrant crane
Hyper Sprint is my favorite for general speed, hard to pass
its also the best for damage
narrow pike
Only with Rush Delivery, or is there something else?
narrow pike
Alright, gonna try this setup with Hera, thanks for all the suggestions so far!
warm snow
how do i play gy again
vagrant crane
athena start ez
warm snow
...
vagrant crane
just get ME
vagrant crane
it's an MEspect
warm snow
i could have sworn you Jack up charged skewer
warm snow
wow
narrow pike
What's ME?
vagrant crane
you can start athena special though
vagrant crane
What's ME?
merciful end
warm snow
one of the few good duos
narrow pike
Or Attack/Dash/Attack/Dash?
worn solar
if you have athena dash and ares attack you can just dash attack
narrow pike
Hmm interestnig
vagrant crane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uimm3d9Ce_E heres damage rotation
worn solar
well dash and attack simultaneously
narrow pike
Game must have spied on this Discord channel because I started my run and got ALL the Venus and Hermes perks for Hera pretty quickly
round umbra
Does guan yu athena spin full screen deflect work on switch?
I just got witch's circle and everything. Don't know what I'm doing wrong
round umbra
Oh it's ps4 only bug
outer sonnet
What aspects does a sea storm build work
narrow pike
Looking for clarification on Merciful End. Wanna try it later today. Is there a significant performance difference between how you combo Attack/Special/Dash? Is there a particular combo that's much better than others? For example do you really want Athena Attack/Special with Ares Dash, or the other way around, or it doesn't matter much?
Gonna find out eventually by trying, but since it's not reliable, this might take a while
tight basin
You want ares attack so you can just dash strike
You generally ignore the special
Just use it to open up the duo
Unless it's sword, where it's part of your damage rotation
narrow pike
Do you have to dash INTO the enemy you just struck?
tight basin
What aspects does a sea storm build work
Technically any that can use tidal dash, sea storm is more of a supplement duo rather than a damage duo
You don't want to build around it because it's not that good for a core build
Tdash doesn't even open up sea storm lmao
narrow pike
Thanks for explaining. I suspected this since Ares number is higher on attacks than on dash, but wasn't sure. Also Merciful End says "attacks proc Doom", but Dash is not an attack yet it still procs it
tight basin
It technically is an attack
lucid oar
Ares dash isn’t doom anyway
narrow pike
Hmm I keep forgetting that Blade Vortex is not Doom, a little weird to have 2 different mechanics when most gods have 1
soft shoal
A lot of casts work differently
narrow pike
Speaking of which, any ways to make good DPS out of Blade Vortex effects?
outer sonnet
Looking for clarification on Merciful End. Wanna try it later today. Is there a ...
I would recommend using ME with nemesis
And putting ares on attack
And getting athena on dash and/or special
That way you can proc the doom and the crit chance all the time
narrow pike
(minor story spoiler) ||Didn't know Nemesis existed, apparently there's an article on the wiki but it wasn't mentioned in any lists and tables I've seen so far. Gonna skip for now and explore more of the story firsthand||
outer sonnet
Although ME works on almost anything
tight basin
Any melee aspect yes
tight basin
Sword
narrow pike
If suppose I was going for ME on Stygius I'd consider Zag aspect due to speed. Nemesis +30% crit seems like a massive DPS improvement always worth having, even when focusing on "flat damage" effects like Ares or Zeus, but speed is nice for usability. Gotta try out both, haven't leveled up yet
tight basin
Zag sword isn't really that great
The attack speed isn't great since you always dash strike
And the movement speed isn't that big of a deal unless you get hyper sprint -> rush delivery
Before that it's just worse nemesis because nemesis has more damage
On the other hand tho, if you get ME going then whatever aspect it's on doesn't matter too much
narrow pike
Fair point. +15% is just on the threshold that you can feel it, yet not enough to matter
I suppose as long as it's not Excalibur with its reduced dash-strike coverage and general slowness
Although I have no doubt you can succeed with Excalibur ME just fine
lucid oar
Zag sword isn't really that great
agreed ☹️
round umbra
What aspects does a sea storm build work
Lucifer attack seems most effective with it.
I really like it on beo special but faster players than me will recommend never using beo special
It seems effective on any rapid fire attack but those kinda struggle with plain posideon before that.
proper furnace
Zeus shield would work decent enough too
winged girder
Do attack boons affect dash strike
round umbra
Do attack boons affect dash strike
Oh, and Hermes's attack speed up does not affect dash strikes.
narrow pike
Suggestions for Beowulf builds?
It seems like you might want strong Casts, but I don't know if Boons that change the base damage of your Cast affect Beowulf "loaded casts". Also not sure if Bull Rush / Dragon Rush is affected by boons like Heartbreak Strike (seems to work)
valid dagger
Suggestions for Beowulf builds?
Start with Flood Flare and fill your god pool while as you avoid opening any Duos besides Mirage Shot. Force Artemis into Asphodel and try to grab her Attack ideally (Special works), from there just look for Mirage Shot and try to pom your Cast and scale with Hermes/Well items.
narrow pike
Hmm... What is Flood Flare?
valid dagger
Hmm... What is Flood Flare?
Poseidon's cast. Everything on Beowulf is a flare not a shot, They are bugged with Mirage Shot to do 100% on the second projectile instead of the 30% that the tooltip suggests, which is why you prioritize it and nothing else
vagrant crane
it opens mirage shot
narrow pike
Ah yes, with Artemis
valid dagger
Because it's halfway to Mirage shot and has good scaling + aoe
You can do the same with Passion Flare
valid dagger
But you'll notice its much more inconsistent at getting the duo
vagrant crane
idk why some flares dont go through walls when literally base flare does
round umbra
Does flood have better damage and range than arti flare?
worn solar
Does flood have better damage and range than arti flare?
better range yes, better damage no
but mirage shot is 2x damage so 
vagrant crane
well
it has better damage when non crit
so it's basically better damage in rooms
worn solar
arti cast is tiny anyways so gl doing damage
narrow pike
Hermes' Bad News works on Beowulf?
vagrant crane
yea but you need to be on stygian
narrow pike
Stygian Soul? I thought Beowulf prevents Bloodstone embedding
Not sure how Stygian is relevant
vagrant crane
you have to be on stygian to get bad news
narrow pike
Aaaah well now...
worn solar
or use feather strats
tight basin
You still have to use stygian for that
worn solar
wait oh yeah
narrow pike
Some people mentioned Aspect of Demeter being recommended, anyone care to clarify why? Seems a little awkward to setup with 12 strikes at very close range, but I haven't really tried it yet. Still considering which Aspects to level up first
vagrant crane
because it's better than the other fists aspects
as in the aspect bonus is actually useful
i mean like
you're punching people anyways
narrow pike
What about the magnet aspect? I really like it, feels convenient
grand zenith
What about the magnet aspect? I really like it, feels convenient
It’s super fun, ‘specially when u get Pos Special on it
vagrant crane
What about the magnet aspect? I really like it, feels convenient
not very good
the pull is inconvenient
narrow pike
Question: Exagryph + Aspect of Hestia + Spread Fire = do you still have 150 base damage with high range on your first shot, or does Spread Fire nerf that? Wiki doesn't seem to say
vagrant crane
spread fire doesnt affect empowered shot
narrow pike
Oh? That's nice to know, thanks
narrow pike
Another Exagryph hammer question: Delta Chamber + Hestia → ???
warm snow
you can still reload
narrow pike
That's neat, how does it affect the first shot?
warm snow
once you reload your first shot is empowered
vagrant crane
which has questionable veracity
narrow pike
Interesting, gotta try. The wiki should really be updated with this info
vagrant crane
hades wiki kinda sucks
vagrant crane
we are unfortunately stuck with ourselves
narrow pike
I think the wiki is really good, just some minor details are missing
vagrant crane
all the good players take refuge in speedcord
warm snow
damn
warm snow
at least we have bananas
what does he do
vagrant crane
be good at the game
tight basin
I am unfortunately better than average at the game
pseudo stream
Yarn of Ariadne and Chaos +rarity% increase legendary/duo chance?
worn solar
yep
pseudo stream
Huh. The build guide mentions chaos shield hitting the same target with all 5 shields. I thought that got patched out?
pseudo stream
Oh neat. Maybe I’ll try it again. It’s been a whiiiiile
Ahhhh
there’s a bug (Beowulf has, err, a lot of bugs) that while cast flares are popping your dash does not have i-frames
This explains my confusion
tight basin
Classic beo moment
pseudo stream
Is there a way to time the dash so it avoids attacks?
Huh. You can dash-upper right after a dash strike? Is that as useful as it sounds?
worn solar
can be good burst damage
also lets you proc ME somewhat efficiently when you dont have d dash
vagrant crane
it's only rlly useful on proccing ME without ddash
tight basin
Is there a way to time the dash so it avoids attacks?
Hold onto the block until the hit goes through tbh
pseudo stream
Can’t be nearly as aggressive that way, but works well enough
pseudo stream
Instaphase?
warm snow
> there’s a bug (Beowulf has, err, a lot of bugs) that while cast flares are pop...
wow that makes sense
worn solar
Instaphase?
if you just do a bajillion damage it doesnt matter
pseudo stream
Hah, that’s true, but I often got clipped without understanding why
Maybe knowing that will help aim
worn solar
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/910373816176349195/Hades_2021-11-16_19-35-39_Trim_2.mp4 game indeed has errr a lot of bugs
pseudo stream
Huh. Thunder dash always struck me as quite bad, is that wrong?
vagrant crane
it's 50 heat
it's ok if it procs jolted/doublestrike/etc etc
on its own it's kinda ass
very good with splitting
pseudo stream
It does less damage than passion dash…
vagrant crane
on its own it's kinda ass
^
vagrant crane
well it's 50 heat
vagrant crane
build is probably gonna be better than most 50 heat builds since em4
but it's still probably gonna be bad
pseudo stream
Wait I’m confused about what’s going on in the clip
worn solar
It does less damage than passion dash…
well pass dash you have to land right on top to hit the enemy with it and zeus can be buffed with other zeus stuff
worn solar
Wait I’m confused about what’s going on in the clip
its a bug where if your zeus shield special has splitting bolt and is hitting something your block can randomly stop working. or something
worn solar
indeed a solution
tight basin
Got a point there tbh
tight basin
“It’s 50 heat”?
You're forced to take stuff that limits your build so at that point you just take whatever
pseudo stream
Ohh, I see
tight basin
As long as it doesn't actively hinder your build it's fine
Like any dash that isn't like divine dash isn't worth it on Beowulf
And ddash isn't even necessary
But if you're offered like thunder dash you just take it because it could be underworld customs fodder
Or you could get static discharge for more damage
pseudo stream
Does 50 heat play with entirely random boons? And selling boons?
tight basin
But you're just willing to take more junk because UC and don't want to waste rerolls
tight basin
And -1 choice?
Sometimes -2
pseudo stream
That sounds roooough and kinda unfun lol
tight basin
The other option (for 50 heat) is routine inspection or em4
And like depending on the aspect you take your poison
Or em4 experience
Like em4 at 50 is reasonable tbf
But also I don't have em4 experience so I didn't take that
grand zenith
So maybe high heat isn’t for me!
Fair lol, I already capped my heat at everything that doesn’t nerf me.
vagrant crane
Fair lol, I already capped my heat at everything that doesn’t nerf me.
54?
pseudo stream
It’s less about self nerfs and more about annoying RNG adding lol
vagrant crane
53
vagrant crane
ri0 ap0 pl0
pseudo stream
FO2 just doesn’t seem worth it to learn at this stage
grand zenith
FO2 is crazy fun if u like a challenge tho, for sure.
vagrant crane
after u have it on for a while you stop noticing it
tight basin
If you don't plan on pushing heat or speed, fo2 isn't worth it yeah
If you want to do consistent 32 heats then maybe but eh
worn solar
fo2 fun
pseudo stream
Yeah maybe I’ll start doing fo2
Wait fo2 helps with speed?
I have 32 on all aspects, no FO2 - it’s pretty damn easy haha
tight basin
Wait fo2 helps with speed?
Enemies spawn earlier
Well faster rather
Same difference
pseudo stream
Oh I see! Makes sense
tight basin
Also procs static discharge faster
pseudo stream
Fair enough, yeah
polar needle
any funny builds?
vagrant crane
beo
lean hornet
Is euridice’s ambrosia option ever worth getting over poms or nectar
vagrant crane
if you have rd
or at mega high heat with epic thunder flourish and jolted or something
round umbra
For eris speed what's the recommended keepsake if I'm starting with cluster bombs? I'm assuming Zeus attack or pos for tidal and just take whatever percent on special
round umbra
Is the rocket explosion big enough to proc Eris if you tdashed into them right before?
Tdash seems kind of annoying if you get clockets actually
rip heroic clockets
tight basin
Is the rocket explosion big enough to proc Eris if you tdashed into them right b...
Yeah it works fine
pseudo stream
if you have rd
RD? Rush delivery?