before you get me it matters
#h1-builds-and-combat
thorny coral
tight basin
not really
tight basin
doom has decent damage that'll last you through asphodel
vagrant crane
it only takes like a hit or two to lose HC
tight basin
and kinda ely
tight basin
also you'd rather have the charged upper to one shot an enemy lmao
or at least 75% hp to an ely enemy
vagrant crane
and beyond HC health doesnt matter
thorny coral
also you'd rather have the charged upper to one shot an enemy lmao
i often miss with dash upper
vagrant crane
then dont
tight basin
well that's not the aspect's fault lmao
thorny coral
well it is easy to miss
vagrant crane
u dont rlly need the upper in ely if ur build is dece anyways
tight basin
bow shots, passion flare beo, sword dash strikes, etc
thorny coral
yes
vagrant crane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9p7P_5LoAY this is a 5:27 and i literally dont use the upper past lernie
thorny coral
bow shots, passion flare beo, sword dash strikes, etc
passion flare beo? what are you talking about? what's there to miss?
vagrant crane
phalanx is worse
tight basin
i'm not saying it's common, i'm just saying it's possible
thorny coral
the flare lmao
ah, i don't know, didn't have the issue
i do miss though with Hera crush shot a lot
tight basin
i do miss though with Hera crush shot a lot
yeah so knocking dem fists for you missing isn't exactly a valid point lmao
vagrant crane
and the wall can eat it anywaysx
tight basin
if we're going by "ease of use" then that'd put chiron above hera because chiron is much easier to use than hera
and zag bow by extension
thorny coral
true
bold wadi
guys I need some help
I jsut got zeus with the duo boon lightning rod, but I also got epic rarity heaven's vengeace ( if I get heaven's vengeace I ll get the duo boon with ares and zeus of revenge effects activating randomly or smth)
I think I ll go with the lighting bolt boon
and maybe later I ll get heaven's vengeance or have zeus' keepsake so i can assure to get the heaven's vengeance
valid dagger
I think I ll go with the lighting bolt boon
Lightning Rod is much stronger
It's the right pick
Unless you're on a weapon that utilizes casts for damage because it makes it tougher to pick them up
bold wadi
Unless you're on a weapon that utilizes casts for damage because it makes it tou...
no, I m using the sword || with the aspect of nemesis ||
not sure if I should've put it in spoilers or not but did anyway
bold wadi
Lightning Rod is much stronger
but yeah I mean its ez dmg
valid dagger
Worth noting that since you got offered Lightning Rod it means you have a Zeus core so you are also eligible for Jolted which could be a better pick. But out of the two options you mentioned it is better to take the Lightning Rod. Heaven's Vengeance is good just because it has high damage it's not really because of the revenge duo.
bold wadi
alr
bold wadi
I FINISHED HADES FOR THE FIRST TIME
NOOOOOOOOOOO
I fought him in the first phase and died after having him lose half or 3/4 of his hp
damn
ornate prawn
so, question
if you have Exclusive Access going and you buy a Yarn of Ariadne, does the boon offered become Heroic, or do they not synergize that far?
proper furnace
so, question
if you have Exclusive Access going and you buy a Yarn of Ariadne, d...
Heroic can't appear naturally so to speak
You can only get it through
A god offering to swap one of your cores
Demeter's rare crop
Eurydice ambrosia delight
ornate prawn
kk
dawn meteor
are there any hestia builds comparable to heart attack+smoldering air?
tight basin
are there any hestia builds comparable to heart attack+smoldering air?
start tidal dash, get artemis/aphrodite special, and take shackle into asphodel and the rest of the run unless you get a good atk % boon
more or less the speedrunning path lmao
dawn meteor
oh, I guess shackle would be good
tight basin
the strat more or less relies on getting a chaos boon tho because you need extra additives to one shot asphodel enemies
dawn meteor
I mean, I had a common heart strike on my last run and survived
definitely could have been more pleasant, but it was a win
no chaos
I guess if you're speedrunning chaos would be required
tight basin
i mean it'll work just fine
common heartbreak strike reaches like 100% damage in like 3 or 4 poms
dawn meteor
oh does it?
tight basin
i think so
dawn meteor
I don't remember what it got to
tight basin
epic heartbreak strike is 90-100% bonus and for aphro atk a rarity difference is roughly a pom
i lied it's 5
that's kinda sad lmao
but either way
it's fine if you dont oneshot asphodel enemies unless you're speedrunning lmao
hestia will still work fine even without it
still a very good aspect
dawn meteor
is there anything you can add to hestia that is comparable to smoldering air?
mostly for redacted
I can just try for smoldering air every time, but I'm gonna get bored
tight basin
the biggest thing is just clockets lol
dawn meteor
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1114692343858204702...
also where can I find data like this?
tight basin
smair is great and all but hestia's late game damage doesn't come from duos
tight basin
also where can I find data like this?
hellfire discord bot
tight basin
also where can I find data like this?
dawn meteor
the bot has the data? it's not on a website or anything?
tight basin
Yeah
dawn meteor
what are the commands?
tight basin
what are the commands?
Put in h!optin into the channel description and then do h!help for commands I believe
dawn meteor
thanks
median shale
For smoldering air, does capped at 25% mean I can’t build up past 25% or it just stops auto filling after 25%?
@tight basin
vagrant crane
if ur on shackle
near sundial
I've got 6 titan blood and no clue what to use it on. Should I level up my Demeter aspect to 4 or use it on Hera because I haven't leveled it up
tight basin
just put it into an aspect that you like, you'll eventually get enough to level up other stuff
leveling up hera makes it easier to fight bosses, leveling up demeter will let you get chunkier hits
raw marsh
quick question if you use the the aspect of Chiron on the on corn optopt
CoronadoCoronado
c o r o n o never mindmind
I can't spell c o r o n a c h tt
anyway when you use the aspect of Chiron and then you use the boom from Artemis support fire does it actually fire an arrow for every single arrow in the specialspecial
or does it just shoot oneone
raw marsh
sorry I'm using support oh my GodGod
I'm using voice typing so it has a lot of themthem
I hesitated and said um and then it cut off but I meant to say it has a lot of mistakesmistakes
also thank you for the explanation that really helpshelps
wary adder
bro are you okay
ivory turtle
your speech to text is uhh struggling my guy
bold wadi
guys i have a question: If I were to get 2 duo boons at the same time from aphrodite, scince I am having her keepsake and I do meet the requirements for both intended duo boons (which are Curse of longing and Heart rend), which one should I choose?
I am using the stygius blade with aspect of nemesis, my boons are curse of agony rare lv 3, deadly flourish rare lv 1, crush shot common lv 1, piering wave lv 1, battle rage rare lv 1, hunter's mark common lv 1, pressure points common lv 1
and I am in asphodel chamber 18
well for now I got no duo boons so there s that
I got heart rend from last chamber in asphodel from charon lets gooo
vagrant crane
guys i have a question: If I were to get 2 duo boons at the same time from aphr...
heart rend
curse of longing is one of the most useless duos in the game
bold wadi
well I do have both now in last biome
bold wadi
curse of longing is one of the most useless duos in the game
wut do you mean ._.
vagrant crane
it doesn't increase your damage 99% of the time
and doom on attack anyways is not that good with nem unless you do ME
bold wadi
my doom dmg is 126 so that would be 126 continuous dmg
vagrant crane
granted doom is never good unless you do ME
tight basin
my doom dmg is 126 so that would be 126 continuous dmg
you have doom on your attack
you're just reapplying doom with it
vagrant crane
when you reapply doom
tight basin
so curse of longing isn't doing anything
vagrant crane
it cancels the curse of longing effect
tight basin
also the "continous damage" from curse of longing is only what 50% of the doom damage or something
vagrant crane
it would amount to double
bold wadi
and doom on attack anyways is not that good with nem unless you do ME
what is ME and in which case would the duo boon be more useful?
bold wadi
it cancels the curse of longing effect
oh ._.
didnt realize or think of that tho it makes sense
tight basin
Merciful End (ME) is leagues better than curse of longing
ME is considered one of the best in the game lmao
vagrant crane
what is ME and in which case would the duo boon be more useful?
curse of longing would theoretically do "something" with doom on spec on like rama or achilles
bold wadi
Merciful End (ME) is leagues better than curse of longing
why does it say doom combo dmg does that mean when doom applies from the duo boon the doom dmg is only 40?
vagrant crane
no
it adds 40 doom damage for some reason
completely unnecessary but welcome bonus
bold wadi
so if the doom dmg would normally be 100 from the duo boon activated doom dmg would 140 right?
vagrant crane
yea
bold wadi
alr
vagrant crane
the extra damage doesnt matter much though
bold wadi
curse of longing would theoretically do "something" with doom on spec on like ra...
sorry for asking abt stuff a lot but what is spec on?
vagrant crane
special
bold wadi
oh ok
vagrant crane
https://youtu.be/J9p7P_5LoAY?t=527 here is an example of merciful end
bold wadi
the extra damage doesnt matter much though
I guess
bold wadi
https://youtu.be/J9p7P_5LoAY?t=527 here is an example of merciful end
his aim too is pretty great ngl
and I am playing with mouse and keyboard
bold wadi
and im on kbm
what kbm
vagrant crane
keyboard mouse
bold wadi
oh yeah
bold wadi
and im on kbm
ik
vagrant crane
controller aim easier tho
bold wadi
well Imma go start the first biome now wish me luck
vagrant crane
gl
bold wadi
controller aim easier tho
prolly
vagrant crane
well it depends
tight basin
Depends
bold wadi
I have 340 coins and aphrodite costs 150, I can buy 2 poms (if I were to have the money)
bold wadi
what dash and call do u have
I dont have call bc me stupid
bold wadi
where could I submit an ss to show the boons I have?
vagrant crane
just paste link
tight basin
Is this the same nem run
bold wadi
Is this the same nem run
yes
tight basin
So you do have a dash lmao
tight basin
The funny option here is take aphro for dash replace so heartrend is more useful
bold wadi
bold wadi
vagrant crane
nvm ur hermes is whatewver
bold wadi
Weak lasts longer boon
I have it I think
vagrant crane
empty inside?
bold wadi
yeah
vagrant crane
yeah thats it
bold wadi
lv 1 common
vagrant crane
so you can just cast once or twice per phase
tight basin
I'd just buy pom yeah
bold wadi
I mean I can 3 times bc I have 3 casts
tight basin
Aphro isn't useful except call
bold wadi
alr
tight basin
I mean I can 3 times bc I have 3 casts
Space out your casts do you have 100% uptime on the weak
That way heart rend is actually useful
As of now both of your duos are relatively worthless lmao
vagrant crane
u can tell dad is weak if there is pink around him
bold wadi
and thats what I got frm pom https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929050912968831097/1119898987596632084/20230618105820_1.jpg
bold wadi
alr
bold wadi
artemis maybe?
or centaur heart
bc I dont have a lot of hp
I ll go with centaur heart
forgot to mention I have dying lament (rare lv 1) too
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929050912968831097/1119900590621868073/20230618110349_1.jpg should I purge curse of longing?
but Ig I ll stop talking bc there s no point
vagrant crane
was the sword actually intended to deal damage without dedge
vagrant crane
double edge
bold wadi
ohh
waxen creek
Is there a reliable way to evade Asterius' triple wave attack after he charges you?
I heard that if you dash into the wall he collides with at the right time, you won't take damage but I've never pulled that off
Maybe you need to double dash for extra i-frames, I don't know though
valid dagger
I heard that if you dash into the wall he collides with at the right time, you w...
Go through a pillar then dash back to your starting position. He’ll do a 180 turn and collide with the pillar
wintry portal
how do you make lucifer rail more fun?
vagrant crane
get triple bomb
tight basin
make sure you have lightning strike on it and get static discharge
wintry portal
Got zeus at the door without the keepsake, thanks for warning the fates 🤙
got a hammer, but no triple bomb 😔
does flash fire makes the lighting go faster?
proper furnace
you start firing earlier, not firing faster in general
wintry portal
still tecnicaly a bit more dmg, i guess
thks
waxen creek
I think I remember someone saying dash strikes make attacking with some weapons like Stygian blade faster. But when I do it, it just feels clunky
What’s the best way to use dash strikes?
Oh and I also find they don’t proc reliably on controller
proper furnace
Oh and I also find they don’t proc reliably on controller
if you are trying to press attack and dash at the same time for dash strikes, try to press dash then attack
as long as you are in the dash animation it will become a dash strike
elder drift
I do a sliding motion with my thumb on the controller, I go from A to X, and this is a succesfull dash strike and it executes very quickly.
like, try to press the A with the mid bone of the thumb and just press, the front end of the thumb will touch X soon after
dunno if Im explaining it properly
wintry portal
if you are trying to press attack and dash at the same time for dash strikes, tr...
how does that work with the bow?
proper furnace
how does that work with the bow?
zag holds the bow different during a dash strike and the charge is much faster
at the cost of a little bit less of dmg
waxen creek
I do a sliding motion with my thumb on the controller, I go from A to X, and thi...
I’ve mapped Dash to R1
Also, I don’t press them at the same time as far as I’m aware
vagrant crane
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1119898172265865277/image.png?width=1246&height=701 heres my bind
waxen creek
I guess I just want to know when dash strikes are actually useful
vagrant crane
for hera
waxen creek
Because it just feels like I’m sliding around without much control, especially since I have auto aim on
vagrant crane
I guess I just want to know when dash strikes are actually useful
always
proper furnace
standard sword combo is kinda trash
vagrant crane
so
on sword you never dont dash strike
same with spear
on shield dash strike leads into dragon rush faster
on bow dash strike is indubitably better
on fists dash strikes come out faster and proc ME
on rail
uhhhhh
rail dash strikes basically dont exist unless it's hestia then they're good for lunge damage
waxen creek
Why is better on sword and spear? Feels just as fast if not a bit slower sometimes to me
vagrant crane
both their standing combos suck
and they both get immensely good hammers for dash strike
waxen creek
I understand usage for bow, fists and shield. I think it’s just dash striking with melee heavy weapons (sword and spear) that feels funny to me
vagrant crane
sword is basically useless without dedge
and spear without flurry is just hope you have serrated or achilles cast buffs
waxen creek
I got serrated on spear recently
Was good for damage but again, felt much harder to control since you constantly have to adjust direction once you’ve reached close range
I tried not holding left stick to see if autoaim makes it easier but if I remember correctly it didn’t help
drowsy saddle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1119898172265865277...
imo bumper > trigger for load cast
less finger movement
vagrant crane
imo bumper > trigger for load cast
idk
wait
my finger rests on trigger
where is your right index
waxen creek
Is autoaim unpopular at high level play?
drowsy saddle
nah autoaim is the goat
waxen creek
OK 👍
drowsy saddle
unless you play certain aspects
waxen creek
Always worried about that
vagrant crane
nope
drowsy saddle
which do not like it
vagrant crane
i cannot think of any aspect
wintry portal
zag holds the bow different during a dash strike and the charge is much faster
I never bothered to learn the dash+strike from the bow, just now that I whent "wait, you dash and strik with the bow?" 😅
thx <3
vagrant crane
i use autoaim on both of those
well
i barely play zeus
but on achilles i have auto aim
drowsy saddle
zeus uses mkb optimally it seems
achilles spec tho
well
on mkb its prolly fine
vagrant crane
oh do you mean controller auto aim
drowsy saddle
yeah
vagrant crane
idk i only play hera on controller
drowsy saddle
mkb auto aim is fine for anything
waxen creek
I like Zeus even though I suck at it, feels really unique because of the multitasking
drowsy saddle
controller is oppressive sometimes
vagrant crane
achilles is too many buttons for controller
waxen creek
Oh I didn’t know mkb has autoaim (I play on PS4)
drowsy saddle
its pretty weak
proper furnace
achilles spec tho
you just live with it tbh
waxen creek
Which is better overall for farming Darkness? God's Pride or God's Legacy?
waxen creek
God's Pride means it's more likely you'll get Chaos' legendary which you don't want however it also makes it easier to get Huge Catch which makes the chance of getting Void Skates 13% more likely (7% chance of spawning default)
tight basin
Taking sunken treasure and/or oceans bounty opens up huge catch anyways
bold wadi
I got a duo boon without meaning to (and this run was inteded to be a resource focused run) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929050912968831097/1120272967780282398/20230619114424_1.jpg
waxen creek
OK, I got a Double Edge Nemesis build with Merciful End
Dash striking still doesn’t feel good
Spamming doesn’t work so I have to go dash-strike, dash-strike, long pause, repeat
Damage was good, movement and positioning felt trash as a result though
lucid oar
Spamming doesn’t work so I have to go dash-strike, dash-strike, long pause, repe...
Try special -> dash strike -> dash strike -> repeat
The special keeps up the buff and gives you an AOE attack to do while your dash strikes are off cooldown
tranquil panther
Sea storm works for the shield attack right?
proper furnace
yes
ivory turtle
Oooh, ravenous will or snow burst?
I'm playing aphro strike hestia
And this is tarty
vagrant crane
I'm playing aphro strike hestia
not a very impactful question but depends on rarity of rav will
and if you’re gonna force tdash
ivory turtle
Rav will is rare while snow is epic
vagrant crane
and if you’re on stygian or infernal
ivory turtle
I'm on infernal because I'm not a masochist when I the build doesn't call for it lol
ivory turtle
Is RD easier to get with stygian?
vagrant crane
then the question is if you have electric shot/flood shot/tidal dash
vagrant crane
Is RD easier to get with stygian?
yea
infernal has 2 cast related hermes boons
quick reload and flurry cast
stygian only has auto reload
ivory turtle
Ohhh hence the pool is cleaner for speed buffs
vagrant crane
yea
but if you’re gonna do tdash just take rav will cause dmg is dmg
if not snurst is decent aoe
ivory turtle
I have no dash at all, this is my second god
I was thinking of forcing Zeus for smair
Would tdash be better?
vagrant crane
i guess rav will would also work with that
vagrant crane
Would tdash be better?
probably
ivory turtle
:o
I'm going rav will lol
:OO but I just got rocket
This is interesting
(I could also take piercing so I don't have to worry about Theseus later)
Honestly I'm liking piercing
tight basin
leads into clockets
rocket is also just good for yeah speed and damage
it travels a lot faster and does a lot more damage
even if you dont get clockets, it's still a really good hammer
obtuse summit
clockets op
young pawn
Does pulverizing blow affect dash strike?
vagrant crane
no
young pawn
Damn
bold wadi
any tips for a build on aspect of talos?
I mean I m not sure what starter keepsake I should use tbh
bold wadi
thanks really helped a lot
round umbra
Lol
I haven't tried Poseidon special to yo yo but it seems fun.
Pulling I into beams and blades also seems like an alright time, even if it's not the best aspect for those.
proven osprey
I mean I m not sure what starter keepsake I should use tbh
Talos isn't really worth to build around the cast or its gimmick. I'd build either Ares for Merciful End or Zeus. The latter is my favorite. Lightning strike, jolted, divine dash for safety of Tidal for damage
I suggest cancelling the second part of the special to benefit from the pulling while not getting stuck in the animation. Pretty fun that way
A funny build around the cast is blizzard shot if you wanna try. Can be pull enemies back into the cast
bold wadi
alright
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/972133772445220948/1121508449981841529/20230622213334_1.jpg suffice to say my build or me being very reckless wasnt a good thing
bold wadi
I haven't tried Poseidon special to yo yo but it seems fun.
I herad it is, never tried it either
also mainly wanted to ask abt advide bc I dont necesarrily like the weapon or the aspect but I had darker thirst on it
proven osprey
Malphon feels good with flat damage mainly
Can take a bit of time to get comfy too
round umbra
Did you mean malphon in general or talos specifically? Dark thirst is for any aspect of the weapon.
tight basin
fists in general
proven osprey
Yeah
tight basin
it just wants flat damage
hits fast but not too hard, so a 100% boost is only 15 extra damage lmao
and can't scale with other boons that well
zap fists have static discharge, ME has impending
round umbra
Oh I meant to ask Alex lol
bold wadi
Oh I meant to ask Alex lol
I mean the answer is still the same since dark thirst does apply to a weapon not a specific aspect
bold wadi
zap fists have static discharge, ME has impending
yeah I guess I did want to go for ares on attack on ares but I didt get it and only got special, rerolled and got even worse (the blade rift where you start to dash)
round umbra
I mean the answer is still the same since dark thirst does apply to a weapon not...
Why talos instead of a different aspect?
bold wadi
Why talos instead of a different aspect?
I dont have any of the aspects from the fists any higher than lv 1 or unlocked, I only have asapect of zagreus and talos unlocked for the fists
I am starting to get more titan blood tho since I beat hades for the first time so now I can have heat
but I only did one run with 1 heat and that was it for now
round umbra
Eh eyy nice
bold wadi
and that one run is the one I showed earlier
imma go with nem now since I like the aspect and it has darker thirst too
oh and should I have hard labor as the 1 heat or is there smth smth else that is easier? I doubt there is but asking anyway
proper furnace
Em1/td1 are fun too
obtuse summit
im still yet to figure out what em1 does
ive had it on for so long that i dont know what the difference is
tight basin
multiple furies attack together on em1
fallow lantern
What's better for guan yu, winged serpent or massive spin?
(I already have quick spin)
lucid oar
Massive spin
fallow lantern
(I also already have athena attack)
Thought so, ty
polar needle
does anyone have a funny build recommendation?
fallow lantern
Guan Yu + each god's attack in turn because they all look pretty
proven osprey
Big true
round umbra
Guan Yu + each god's attack in turn because they all look pretty
My feelings on luci balls
polar needle
ooo aite bet
fallow lantern
Cool name!
...What is it?
vagrant crane
pos atk zeus pos duo luci
fallow lantern
ah. lol sounds fun
round umbra
Infinite Lucifer fire with zeus attack and splitting bolt and jolted is a fun time.
round umbra
What happens when you have smouldering air and hades keepsake?
tight basin
dont work
round umbra
Blocks you from equipping?
tight basin
hades call specifically has 2 bars because hades call smair used to be broken
i think it just straight up doesn't work but not entirely sure
round umbra
Seems like the most reasonable fix ig
proper furnace
yeah if you have dad call you can't get smair in first place
need to get it with other call, get smair, sell call and then equip sygil of the dad
and congrats 
now you can't use it
raven crystal
Yall got any tips for how to use Hades call?
its interesting to me and i wanna know if there are good uses for it
vagrant crane
basically if you use a high burst damage flat dmg build
raven crystal
so with like, malphon + zeus?
raven crystal
gotcha
raven crystal
and for actually using the call, do i just use it to dodge attacks
vagrant crane
because +100% dmg is not as cool when you have +600% already
no acorn is way way way better defensively
it's an offensive thing
raven crystal
ahhh
got it
this is my first time actually trying to learn what the best stuff is and how to build properly, aside from my own gameplay
i remember one particularly broken build with shield, with the daedulus hammer upgrade that removes knockback but adds another hit, then just invest all my poms of power into zeus boones and i think i had divine dash with it
managed to defeat hades (no phase 3) in like sub 40 seconds
very impressive for me
quick rampart
Returning Member from 2011 - is this the room get tips. I am now playing my cross-server account on the switch.
vagrant crane
sure
sick meteor
Hey, wanted get into the game again after wrapping up my second totk play-through does anyone have any good cast build for me to try
vagrant crane
le beowulf
languid star
whats a good build to use
i got 4 titans blood and idk which aspect to pick
for a weapon
round umbra
What weapon do you like best and what do you like about it?
round umbra
whats a good build to use
I was partial to the Bow's Aspect of Hera with syg soul and dionysus cast. Upgrading it past first level doesn't matter with sty soul or dio cast.
south sonnet
What weapon do you like best and what do you like about it?
spear because i like playing hades tower defense, now please give me something
vagrant crane
spear because i like playing hades tower defense, now please give me something
what
vagrant crane
please give u what
south sonnet
please give u what
a good aspect
vagrant crane
beo
south sonnet
i need a spear aspect, sorry if im unclear
vagrant crane
achilles
achilles is with 0 contest whatsoever the best spear aspect
there is no context in which another aspect is better
okay i guess hitless
so there is 1 context in which another aspect is better
but for most everyone's intents and purposes the answer is just get achilles
round umbra
Doing crystal beams (best with achilles) is the towerest defencest. But also, the bow has good range and scintillating feast is some set and forget greatness
languid star
What weapon do you like best and what do you like about it?
i like the fists because i just spam dash and attack and it works
but i tried using the sword and wasted all my titans blood
and i dont like the sword
vagrant crane
in what aspect
languid star
nemesis
languid star
wdym
languid star
i use special for the crit chance then attack
languid star
standing mostly but if i have the dash strike boon from artemis i think then i use that
vagrant crane
the standing 3 attack combo is garbo
languid star
the hunter girl
languid star
so no special?
languid star
whats a breakpoint
vagrant crane
how many attacks it takes to kill an enemy
so like
with fiery presence
a dash upper will kill a brimstone
languid star
the brimstone is the laser rock crystal right
vagrant crane
purple crystal thing
or a cast with high confidence will also kill a brimstone
a dash strike will kill numbskulls and pests with fiery
languid star
which god gives fiery presence
round umbra
i like the fists because i just spam dash and attack and it works
Zag fists are good bang for buck.I like running them with the plume and hoping for a Zeus or dio or ME attack
languid star
what does it do again
vagrant crane
+75% damage on first attack or special that hits a full hp enemy
better than shadow presence
vagrant crane
stay near walls and pillars
languid star
im in the room before the boss fight rn
vagrant crane
focus bull first
vagrant crane
gg
languid star
TOOK TWO DEATH DEFIANCES BUT WE DID IT
round umbra
Noice
languid star
what does ambrosia do
quiet kelp
TOOK TWO DEATH DEFIANCES BUT WE DID IT
lets gooo
round umbra
what does ambrosia do
Super nectar
vagrant crane
it's the cooler nectar yeah
languid star
what do i get if i give it to someone
round umbra
Friendship
quiet kelp
its just cooler nectar
round umbra
Can also t trade it for titan blood
cyan badger
Ok I just got auther and I want to know what is the most broken build for it?
round umbra
Idk about broken but Athena for nice slow baseball looks fun
languid star
how do i make cerberus move
languid star
all of them??
tight basin
Ok I just got auther and I want to know what is the most broken build for it?
it's not particularly a needy aspect, just take aphrodite's attack and swing the thing around
big bonk
it's also not the flashiest or fastest, so it won't necessarily "feel" broken
languid star
if i die do i have to go back to begginign or is the styx temple like a checkpoint
cyan badger
it's not particularly a needy aspect, just take aphrodite's attack and swing the...
Ok
Nah I’m going to use doionius
tight basin
that's like
one of the worst choices lmao
your attacks do a large number and you swing slow
you won't be stacking up much, and when you do it's like a pitiful what 20 damage over time or whatever
aphrodite can give you 100% damage boost, which is much stronger here
south sonnet
if i die do i have to go back to begginign or is the styx temple like a checkpoi...
all the way back
there are little things in there that can cure poison, which is a dot applied to you from rats and traps.
languid star
i got the thing i needed and cerberus is gone
tight basin
keep going lmao
languid star
alr brb
i hate this game
not even fair
i was half hp and had no defiances
ur not serious
tight basin
lmao welcome to the house of hades
languid star
i gotta do that all again
tight basin
but also the genre is about learning and improving by just trying again
languid star
where did hades go
and cerberus
and literally everybody exept dusa
oh wait nyx is here
tight basin
idk story stuff probably
they disappear from time to time
other duties is what they say in the game i think
languid star
is it worth it to trade ambrosia for titans blood
or should i do it for 500 darknes
i did it for the titan blood
south sonnet
where did hades go
happens each time you die to hades
round umbra
is it worth it to trade ambrosia for titans blood
Early you want blood to upgrade at least a few aspects, later you want ambroaia for friends
quick rampart
Early you want blood to upgrade at least a few aspects, later you want ambroaia ...
This part
round umbra
Woah the cooldown timer doent affect rama special? Does relentless volley hit with 7 bolts?
Also lol I just got lightning rods as my third boon. Room 5 or so
Also yay just shut out than for the first time this isn't the right channel
proper furnace
Woah the cooldown timer doent affect rama special? Does relentless volley hit wi...
It does
round umbra
Rama is my new best friend. And for heat I was just using it for hang over like a fool
Just tied my highest heat and got my best time with it in a day
I should probably give lightning flourish a try when doing heat. Was just doing drunken.
hallow ibex
Question gamers, what’s a fun build I could use on each of the weapons per say for some ambrosia stuff
vagrant crane
shackle nem, hunting blades achilles, beo, rama, ME, hestia
proper furnace
Spacing is important for rama so yeah
Can also just take it as a "if it happens great"
vagrant crane
well yeah perfect shot is the best second hammer
proper furnace
Don't commit to only do perfect shots
vagrant crane
and the goal on rama is to power shot
round umbra
also, relentless volley has been a great rama hammer in my days of experience
vagrant crane
why
round umbra
doing more special stuff. Bouncing to more things, I assume
vagrant crane
it’s not that big of a deal to special twice and have a better hammer
round umbra
Apparently 7 bolts
round umbra
is it still 3ish with relentless?
vagrant crane
it’s 1
round umbra
Whoever I was talking to here 2 hours ago lied to me
vagrant crane
no
round umbra
looks a lot like more than 1 with regular special
vagrant crane
they also said the cooldown applied
round umbra
you sure?
vagrant crane
looks a lot like more than 1 with regular special
it’s not
yes
go count the damage numbers
only rare+ will kill witches i believe
maybe it’s brimstones
but it only hits one bolt
which is why special only rama is a meme
proper furnace
You still have jolted
vagrant crane
and thunder has higher immediate
round umbra
yeye, if you're not dealing with dc2
vagrant crane
yeye, if you're not dealing with dc2
what heat
round umbra
30s
vagrant crane
oh yeah ig
round umbra
and i have hl at 0
vagrant crane
🗿
wintry portal
For a nemesis sub10 run
should I try to force ME or just start runs with aphro/artemis?
lucid oar
Are you doing unmodded or modded
wintry portal
unmodded
lucid oar
I would start tidal dash or force ME
Starting with aphro/arty relies a lot on getting double edge, and those 2 attack boons dont actually speed up the first few chambers that much
vagrant crane
does tdash work without double edge
lucid oar
You can cope without it until Ely
wintry portal
Starting with aphro/arty relies a lot on getting double edge, and those 2 attack...
oooh 
gonna try that
vagrant crane
also aph kinda needs rarity
wintry portal
which as we all know are very consistent
I dont even know them, but im sure they are amazing consistent, even more for me that doesnt see eurydice in almost all of my speeds
vagrant crane
tight basin
For a nemesis sub10 run
should I try to force ME or just start runs with aphro/a...
iirc my unmodded nem sub10 was deadly reversal, but i did get lucky by getting dedge relatively early
ME is the ol' "reliable"
reliable in the sense that you'll get ME going eventually
this took 4 tries, but also got hella lucky with epic rd and lunge
and dedge start
tldr, going crit build is more boon/hammer specific but you need less of them and ME is very boon specific
from what i heard, aphro start for a heart rend is generally better because it (allegedly) one-shots witches without dedge
wintry portal
thanks for the help, now is on me 
tight basin
as long as you stick to the standard damage rotation you should get it soon enough
wintry portal
I just missed 3 dash-strikes...
im not doing this anymore 
||/jokin||
wintry portal
I do be learning alot 
round umbra
Does distant memory work with lightning rods? What does it work with?
tight basin
I think technically it does but also why would you use distant memory
round umbra
For +30% damage
round umbra
My lightning rods are pretty far away when I set them and then just run away
tight basin
It doesn't ever hit distant memory range ideally
I mean any other keepsake would give better value
You're literally just taking it for rod lmao
Also rod is what 70 damage?
A whole 14 more damage lmao
Wait no 21
But like acorn or hourglass is gonna give you more damage and survivability
round umbra
Hourglass for +1 cast obvi
Ended up grabbing spear. Didn't fully commit to lightning rods run
hallow ibex
I’m doing a heart rend run but I got a poesidon boon and the duo boon I got is exclusive access. Is that good with heart rend?
proper furnace
EA is decent if you get it early
It won't benefit heart rend directly but epic chaos and hermes boons will be great
hallow ibex
second time I seen Charon and it’s Athena, not Artemis or Aphro
proper furnace
So that's poseidon dio and athena already no
You won't be able to see both artemis and aphro naturally
hallow ibex
I see, I’m forcing Artemis (I should state I’m using HR rail)
proper furnace
What rail aspect is this
hallow ibex
I’ll say what’s it’s not. Hestia don’t have the extra 2 TB it’s just normal rail
proper furnace
Do you at least have spread fire
proper furnace
Is this heart rend focusing on attack or special
hallow ibex
Special since I have cluster bomb in this run
proper furnace
Well that's aight at least
hallow ibex
Epic deadly flourish. If I actually manage to get HR, exclusive access will make it the crits more potent - in theory
wintry portal
I just got so insanly lucky that I dont have an idea of what keepsake I take after tartarus...
Nemesis run, trying for sub10
I started with poseidon keepsake for the dash, artemis showed up, then Athena (Especial) then Ares (Atak), got ME, at the last shop, I got athena traiding the dash and ermes givin hyper dash
...
what do a do now?
proper furnace
ares for impending doom?
purse if lacking money for poms maybe but not sure
but also lmao what a tartarus is that
wintry portal
A have a +16% rarety for boons from chaos
and only 20g, I think I will go with the purse
tight basin
lmao i had something similar happen to me once
but yeah ares into aspho
get impending
wintry portal
but also lmao what a tartarus is that
when I saw the early ME, Eminem - Lose Yourself started playin in my head 
wintry portal
for splash -> ME
sorry, I didnt understand this 
tight basin
tidal dash start into ME
starting tidal dash is generally called "splash start" lol
i think it used to be called splash dash so that's probably why
that or it just sounds better and people just say it lmao
tight basin
Rip no impending
But yeah
Dad keepsake
Open up proud bearing
Rip rd
Looks like a pretty tight sub10
wintry portal
Looks like a pretty tight sub10
yeah... I suffer from skill issue
cyan badger
He says with the unseen one rank
wintry portal
I'm only unseen because pride month is over 
9:74 at the end of the second tunel
no 2 sack
tight basin
yeah... I suffer from skill issue <:zagsad:1012805275511701554>
Lmao sub10 kinda hard
Leaving aspho at 5 mins is a doable sub10 but Ely kinda sucks
And styx
wintry portal
no 3 sack...
DAMM YOU FATES
wintry portal
I got a start with double edge, should I still go for tdash?
tight basin
splash is still good tbh
whatever you prefer
you can go splash -> shackle if you dont get anything good or start out with a crit build
splash -> crit build works too
wintry portal
im with nothing on atak, got poseidon arty and dem
now that you mentioned the shackle im pondering between aphro keepsake or shackle
damn
im going aphro, cuz a good rarit would be the same or slightly better shackle, right?
tight basin
uh
common aphro would suck
rare needs like... 4 poms? or something
epic needs 1 to pass shackle
surprisingly shackle would be the more consistent option here lol
also shackle is active immediately, with aphro keepsake you have to wait until (generally) midboss in aspho to get it
so you lose dps from start of aspho to midboss
so ~2 or 3 chambers
wintry portal
damn, well... im feeling lucky today, hope I dont get punished 😅
tight basin
lmao just get the boons
wintry portal
damn, well... im feeling lucky today, hope I dont get punished 😅
||I only say this cuz I had already picked :P||
got skull crushers imediatly, leting them go up with a 4% health
got punished right away
than showed up next, but then was another non-boon chamber
then aphro showed up... right beside the shop
aphro was after that
Decisions do matter a ton in this game, I love it <3
also
blood and darkness
tight basin
Lmao rip
weak zodiac
rare needs like... 4 poms? or something
shackle adds +100%
normal aphro attack adds 50%, so you need 4 poms to "pass" shackle(+20,14,10,7)
rare aphro adds 65-75%, so you need only 2 poms to reach shackle level(+20, +14)
epic is 90-100%, so only 1 pom needed
heroic is 115-125%, but cannot be obtained by itself
wintry portal
btw, I only got a epic aphro atak +1 in mid ely
shackle was just the plain better option
weak zodiac
yea, but you can get another aphro boon to deal more damage against weak enemies
and more damage against enemies with 2 debuff from mirror
vagrant crane
aph atk only worth at rare+
tight basin
yea, but you can get another aphro boon to deal more damage against weak enemies...
Pstatus isn't that great, especially in speedrunning, and considering how this build was set up
But either way, if you leave tart without an attack boon on nemesis, just take shackle
It's more consistent and just faster in general
lean hornet
Pstatus is essentially free damage though isn’t it? Not that hard to get two effects in enemies
tight basin
I mean sometimes it is
Depends how the build comes together
And your core gods
Like pstatus on ME is strong but is a nightmare considering how much it already needs to be good
lean hornet
Aphrodite or Demeter automatically give status effects without a second boon
tight basin
Starting splash nemesis makes it inconsistent to get going
tight basin
You don't know what you're going to get on the attack and special so you don't want to have pstatus
Well the build that Melakar was doing was splash dash start on nem
And yeah you can luck into pstatus being useful but also you could just never have it proc
Also Dem + Aphro for a core gods in a build is kinda eh considering it doesn't open any duos
Also you'd generally want Artemis instead of Dem for like
lean hornet
I usually use aspects that already have status effects for my runs so I just get what comes for me a lot
tight basin
A lot of builds that want Aphrodite
tight basin
I usually use aspects that already have status effects for my runs so I just ge...
Aspects don't give status conditions for pstatus
So like maim doesn't count
lean hornet
maim does I think
tight basin
It doesn't
lean hornet
you sure?
tight basin
Yeah
lean hornet
I feel like it does tbh
tight basin
Well it doesn't lol
lean hornet
but could be just I have other status on it at the time
tight basin
It has a funky sound effect and there's a symbol next to the enemy's health bar
Prob a different status effect
Pstatus only applies to god status conditions
Partly why the counterpart is family favorites
lean hornet
I googled yeah I think you’re right
lean hornet
Partly why the counterpart is family favorites
What does that do?
don’t use it often
tight basin
You get a 5% boost for every different god you have
lean hornet
So max of 25% or so right
tight basin
So like if you have 2 Artemis boons, 1 Athena, 1 Hermes, and 1 chaos, that'll be a 15% boost
lean hornet
no wait 30%
lean hornet
Oh ok then
tight basin
Hermes counts for it
It's just more consistent than pstatus and allows for more build freedom
lean hornet
I’m guessing || hades call || doesn’t count
vagrant crane
no
tight basin
A lot of strong builds don't need status conditions to be good and would rather have the 25%
vagrant crane
rlly it's more rather have the 5% or 10%
tart bpoints r the most important and least variable
on achilles a base empowered cast will kill a wringer with hc and one ff
tight basin
True at the start
wintry portal
should I always use FO2 for speeds so I can learn to play agaisnt that?
is the time save is not that worth the dmg for a sub10?
tight basin
is the time save is not that worth the dmg for a sub10?
the idea is that you learn it so you don't get smacked around but still get the full benefits of the faster spawns lol
i do agree with jazz tho and take fo1 at the minimum
lean halo
hi, just a question but for hermes' keepsake, if i switch to a different one, i lose the dodge chance and move speed i've built up, right?
lean halo
oh dang okay thank you lol
tight basin
@wintry portal if you plan on speedrunning achilles more, you should check out some of the guides
kinda looks like you didn't have a clear build path for it lol
god dammit
wintry portal
I know the basics.. I think 😅
That run was just;
take zeus keepsake
hope for flurryjab
gaming
profit?
wintry portal
I wanted to just play, not really try harding, but still managed a PB somehow
wintry portal
but I will def check the guides !
also, you can DM me links if they are alot, no problem :D
tight basin
zeus only works well if you get flurry tho
tight basin
but I will def check the guides !
also, you can DM me links if they are alot, no...
nah it's just those two
the first link i sent builds off of the second link i sent
so read the second one first ideally
tight basin
if you don't plan on speedrunning, zeus or artemis atk work well
considering youre playing unmodded, artemis is generally a better start because you can't guarantee flurry jab
and it'll open up hunting blades
(assuming you dont want to start tdash)
if you want to start zeus, you kinda have to hope for flurry jab
and jolted
get athena's cast and go lightning phalanx
wintry portal
if you want to start zeus, you kinda have to hope for flurry jab
I knew about that part only lol
tight basin
that's more or less the general build paths for achilles if you dont start tdash
the more cursed one is starting dem attack, getting trippy shot into ice wine
wintry portal
just so you know
the way I play is;
see what has Nyx bless (darker thirst)
see what I want to play/do with that weapon
go for that run
that's why the questions and prints are all over the place
I know that at the point Im in, Darker Thirst does nothing, but I just like playing/have fun with all weapons, so I let Nyx decised my weapon, and weirdly it keeps on what I want to do, like, yesterday it keep jumping from sword to bow, alot lol
anyway, maybe soon I will do some back-to-back runs with the same weapon, just dont know when 😅
tight basin
oh lmao that's fair enough
die a bunch of times in c1/c2 so you get dark thirst on the weapon you want
wintry portal
but, thanks alot for the help <3
im gonna go watch som stuff and read it!
tight basin
np
i have the 7:55 achilles run recorded if you want to watch a more mediocre player use it lmao
wintry portal
pls send it, I will watch after my friend livestream 
tight basin
it's a little messy compared to a lot of other players, but i feel like it'll probably give you a better sense of how to play it
in the sense that you're not trying to be perfect at least lmao
watching 185in's run is scarily fast and still good but i feel like you might not fully understand the choices or pathing/game sense because he's just a god at achilles lmao
because i sure as hell still don't get it
also i think he plays in chinese so it might be harder to understand, but there's still plenty of good achilles runs on speedrun.com
oh it's in japanese lmao
wintry portal
actually, am a lil bit familiar with chinese, so now I actually want to see the game in chinese lol
wintry portal
oh it's in japanese lmao
oh 😔
wintry portal
watching 185in's run is scarily fast and still good but i feel like you might no...
but yeah, I totally get it
for me it do helps more to watch a non-god playing
tight basin
yeah lmao it's probably a lot easier to replicate my gameplay than his
i just watched the first like 5 chambers and i'm like "ah i could never do this"
also added benefit that you could ask me about any questionable things i did in that run lmao
jazz has a 6:59 achilles, you can watch that if you want and ask her questions she's generally pretty active here
wintry portal
Any question I will be sure to ask 😁
Also, I'm not sure if what I want counts for "speedrunning"
cuz like, I want to know everything about the game, I want to get better at my fav game, I do want to get sub10, prob with all weapons, but like, if ends being something REALLY HARD, I would drop it, altho, it seems realistic to do even without being THAT good at the game ?
so, idk
I do want to know every strat tho, so I love seen every lil help and opinions folks here give 
tight basin
Also, I'm not sure if what I want counts for "speedrunning"
cuz like, I want to ...
There's a lot of levels to speedrunning lol sub10 def falls under the category
And it just takes practice and time
Learning game sense and pathing goes a long way onto every other aspect too
I BSed my way through my first beo modded sub8 and kinda sub7 and didn't really look at gameplay or guides, I just knew "mirage shot and Rd good"
Took a lot of time ofc
And a lot of that skill kinda transfered over to other weapons because positioning and grouping are extremely important as general skills
wintry portal
I BSed my way through my first beo modded sub8 and kinda sub7 and didn't really ...
#gaming
tight basin
Oh forgot to add "stand in corner good"
wintry portal
I'm only really learning position and grouping now, never took the time to learn the details, most of my play time is just goofin and standing next to eurydice/orpheus singin :p
tight basin
Ngl i don't remember when I learned about pom pools so also a bit misleading
wintry portal
Oh forgot to add "stand in corner good"
only actually learned that yesterday lol
tight basin
Lmao yeah it's super basic spawn manip and works a lot of the time ish
There's a guide for it but frankly seems unnecessary for sub10 imo
wintry portal
I got that guide on my Hades worksapce on Opera
I think jazz showed me
tight basin
Oh nice
dont read it it is helpful but that's probably like the last thing to worry about for you rn lmao
Could skim it and remember a few but wouldn't bother trying to memorize all
wintry portal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AZNQuIggXQ
at 3mins, you walked the chamber to spread the enemies, right?
I was asking myseld that until I realizad that at survival rooms you want the oposide of grouping them together
tight basin
3 min is the survival room
lmao yeah survival room doesn't really matter what you do
just end near the exit
good way to test mechanical skill tho
wintry portal
~~dont read it~~ it is helpful but that's probably like the last thing to worry ...
well.....
I want to try everything, so I will learn it.... sometime... probably lol
wintry portal
aaall hades 😋 😋 😋 😋
tight basin
i think once you feel like your mechanical skill and grouping is good enough, then you can start learning the spawn manips
because if your grouping sucks, then the spawn manips aren't that useful lmao
they'll spawn closer but you'll kill them too slow
(not my clip)
but using this as an example, you ideally want to be able to do something like this for your enemy grouping lmao
ofc you have to look out for different things for different aspects, but you need to be able to see them
if i saw these enemies spawning i would not kill them like that lmao
like a ~2 second kill for them would've been like an idk 5+ sec kill for me
and those moments will keep adding up
wintry portal
yeah, I tend to start with dash-strike, so I would take way more time to kill those, even if I had the paws at mind in that moment, I would still dash for a different position
tight basin
the player here is also one of the best gilga players in the world so it's basically 2nd nature for them lmao
wintry portal
and those moments will keep adding up
Thats why I kinda want to try everything, all time not saved will not be restored ||(MAYBE ON HADES 2 YOU WOULD THO, IMAGINE IF CHRON-)|| So really have this in mind
wintry portal
the player here is also one of the best gilga players in the world so it's basic...
I want names, Jonson!
tight basin
true but also you have a lot already going in your mind like grouping and whatnot, so it's just gonna be a lot on your plate lol
tight basin
I want names, Jonson!
CherryDad on speedrun.com, i think they go by Cherry on twitch
nope it's CherryDaddy on twitch
ananke is another really good fist player, he and cherry are tied for first on modded anyheat gilga
6:11
cherry's been grinding for the sub6 for a long while, idk if they still are or not atm
wintry portal
wow
wintry portal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNzQIlU-ZtI
7:45
always megin on 4 witches is always that easy? D:
tight basin
yeah
wintry portal
witches are the only mini-boss that I still have problem using meg, just cuz I keep forgeting to look up how u do it 😅
tight basin
stand on that corner-ish, aim/attack the one right above you and wait for the far one to come on screen
there's a section on the line up in my 32 heat guide
you should be able to get it most of the time
wintry portal
I still have the read the whole 32 heat guide
I used only for the pact
tight basin
you can skip to the companions part for it if you want a better written version of the line up
there's a pic and and linked clip there as well
wintry portal
the preference for hyper sprint over greater haste, is because you run tru chambers faster with hyper sprint?
wintry portal
ok, so I dont know how rush delivery works
tight basin
haste is generally just never taken unless you dont have anything better to take
tight basin
ok, so I dont know how rush delivery works
i mean you get a damage boost based off of your movespeed
and since you're basically always dash striking, the 100% movement speed is basically always going to be active for your RD
wintry portal
I thought it was like
you have great hast and commum rush delevery so
50% (rd) times 1 (greater haste, one buff)
but now I get it
prob language barrier moment
Or me just bein dumb lol
tight basin
lmao it's fine
rd is a weird concept to grasp at first
i used to think hermes was useless other than the dashes lmao
wintry portal
MOOD
me and every friend of mine was like
"so.. is hermes just useless or it just me?"
turns out, the problem was all of us lol
tight basin
turns out hermes is still useless other than dashes, sprint, and rd
niche cases for swift strike/flourish i guess but it's always worse
wintry portal
well, faster atak or special is more dmg
better than actual useless gods for the build, right?
and at this point, isnt this, basicaly all of hermes boons?
vagrant crane
and QR
vagrant crane
and at this point, isnt this, basicaly all of hermes boons?
greater evasion
quick recovery
quick favor
wintry portal
hot take;
quick favor good
wintry portal
but
I forgot greater evasion and quick favor are not actually good
buut, I like them, so I found why I think hermes is basicaly good all the time 😅
tight basin
well, faster atak or special is more dmg
better than actual useless gods for the...
I mean aspect dependent
Swift strike is useless on bows basically
And Beowulf
And swords
vagrant crane
you have to change your rotation for it though right
because standard is a special a relaod
vagrant crane
i dabble 😌
wintry portal
Oh right, we dont use normal atk on sword lol
wintry portal
Oh come on
tight basin
well it kinda works with flurry jab no?
tight basin
true
vagrant crane
since you dont keep pricking
wintry portal
But how does the atak speed doesnt help the fists?
vagrant crane
because fists are really a dash strike and dash upper weapon