h1-builds-and-combat

[tight basin]

yeah pretty much

[lucid oar]

Better if you get relentless

[tight basin]

oh true

you'd rather get conc first tho prob

[lucid oar]

Killing freeze

[vagrant crane]

you could also just get demeter attack

[tight basin]

that won't be good with arctic blast

[vagrant crane]

is ice wine legit

[tight basin]

wdym

[vagrant crane]

would probably be on flurry start

[tight basin]

that still would be pretty mediocre

[lucid oar]

Eye swine

[vagrant crane]

idk just opens stuiff idek

just get epic rd...

[lucid oar]

tru

[tight basin]

i mean ice wine has never been bad unless it's beo/hera lmao

well i guess boiling

but also it's a pretty substantial burst damage

[vagrant crane]

ice wine at high level with rd is kinda crazy

[lucid oar]

My first sub 7 was ice wine Achilles 💪

[vagrant crane]

my like

fifth or sixth sub7 was ice wine nem

[tight basin]

i only have 1 aspect with a sub7 💪

[vagrant crane]

i have 2 hestia 3 beo 2 nem 1 achilles

in that order

[tight basin]

i think i have like 3 beo or something

[lucid oar]

3 beo sub 7 with 1 sub 6 is nuts

[vagrant crane]

lmfoa

they were 630 and 611

[tight basin]

oh 4 because i forgot to count the sub6 as sub7

[vagrant crane]

that 630 run was insane

i lost all my dds

but i had like

[tight basin]

75 sec pb baybee

just beo things

[vagrant crane]

two grasps and tart mirage

[tight basin]

(and a 1 combat 1 miniboss asphodel)

[lucid oar]

Last time I got a 75s pb was back in the 12 minute days

[tight basin]

lmao it do be like that

[vagrant crane]

i’ll get 75s pb in any heat modded trust

[tight basin]

just do 40 heat speedrunning

[lucid oar]

Ez low 4

[vagrant crane]

i was just voted most likely to get a hades world record so i should be able to do it right

[tight basin]

jazz you don't really do high heat do you lmao

[vagrant crane]

i did 50 once and that was it

[tight basin]

yeah that tracks

[lucid oar]

I used to be half and half

[vagrant crane]

well

i did 33 boonless mirrorless

[tight basin]

if you do a 40 or 32 heat speedrun you can get a huge pb i bet

[vagrant crane]

and i tried 50 chiron

i should do 50 chiron

that run was so insane

but resetting for purple is literally so bad

[lucid oar]

32 heat speedrunning kinda based

[tight basin]

i used to be both when i did 40 heat speedrunning lmao

[lucid oar]

I meant to get a sub 6 in cotw

[tight basin]

and then i gave up once i got the sub10

[vagrant crane]

do u think we'll see a sub6 chiron

idk if mystic or bigp are busy this week

[lucid oar]

Probably

Oh not this week

Someone will do it though

[vagrant crane]

i mean eventually

sure

but like

no aotw sub6

[tight basin]

idk what kind of students they so i can't make a judgement lmao

[vagrant crane]

maybe yeezy pulls it out randomly

[tight basin]

next aotw lmao

[vagrant crane]

would be funny

"oh yeah i got this chiron sub6 like a year ago i forgot to post it" or something

[tight basin]

lmao

[vagrant crane]

and it's EPIC RD ICE WINE

[lucid oar]

Magnil rises from the grave

[tight basin]

i can see that

[vagrant crane]

i think they should just do cast builds on all the non sub6d weapons

cant be that bad.....

right??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

i mean ice wine is basically just beo right

[tight basin]

i mean the issue is that you need supplemental damage before you get the duo

also afaik chiron tries to get lightning rod for lernie lmao

been a while since i heard/read about chiron strats so i could be wrong on that one

[vagrant crane]

ngl electric shot start is so funny

it's like tdash start but different

[tight basin]

feels like tdash at home with the aoe tbh

lmfao

[vagrant crane]

ranged tdash

im a big electric shot fan

[tight basin]

i dont remember the last time i picked it up

[vagrant crane]

it kills a lot of stuff with hc

i always take it if i can on my nem runs

[tight basin]

i should do a chiron run tonight

it'll suck but aotw

maybe i'll do hotw because i'm better at that lmao

"better"

oh that reminds me of how i threw a 40 heat chiron run a long time ago

maybe i'll actually get it this time lmao

just get heart rend 5head

[ashen shale]

DAMAGE is not under CONTROL build : proud bearing(athena) and demeter's aid

[arctic oyster]

Yo guys what’s the best build for nemesis

[vagrant crane]

there’s a few

i suppose there’s technically two

but there’s just ME and then there’s heart rend with splash dash

but you can get heart rend without splash dash and you can pick up other stuff on splash start

you can also shackle

[arctic oyster]

Is sea storm good with nemesis

[vagrant crane]

i mean

idk how you’d open it

because anything other than electric shot is bad for zeus cores

and anything other than flood shot or dash is bad for pos cores

if you can get it sure ig

because more tdash damage is good

[arctic oyster]

Aight thank you bro

Is lucifer good

I just unlocked it there

[vagrant crane]

yea

[arctic oyster]

Idk Wa builds to use or anything it’s so much different comepared to the other rails

[vagrant crane]

its build is basically identical to eris

zeus attack

get jolted

get tidal dash to explode bombs

try to get arty or aphrodite special

and look for triple bomb

which is by far the best hammer

[arctic oyster]

What about the cluster bomb

5 bombs

[vagrant crane]

can’t get it on luci

[arctic oyster]

Ahhhh ok

Can you get rocket bomb

[vagrant crane]

no

that would be rlly weird

[arctic oyster]

Oh ye I forgot how it worked for a second lol

Aight I’m gunna try a run w lucifer on 8 heat back Ina few

Didn’t go well

What’s the best legendary aspect

[vagrant crane]

legendary?

if you mean hidden, then shield

[arctic oyster]

Ye sorry hidden isn’t the shield one beawolf

[vagrant crane]

yea

beowulf is the best aspect in the game

[arctic oyster]

Really what’s a good build for it

[vagrant crane]

flood flare

artemis attack

mirage shot

pom the flare a lot

see if you can get charged shot

[minor flume]

Currently trying for a beowulf 32 Heat atm....feel so squishy though

uh oh, Charged Shot and epic flood flare right off the bat

could be the one

why do I feel like I never see the other barge, without the big shield crystal boss?

only ever him now

[valid dagger]

Because you have middle management on?

[minor flume]

is that it?

[valid dagger]

Yes

Middle Management makes minibosses harder

[minor flume]

Im aware of that, I didn't realize it ensures you get that specific barge

[vagrant crane]

you can't get it without MM

[minor flume]

gotcha

[valid dagger]

ye that’s the harder version

Although if you have good damage it’s faster

maybe

It takes too long to spawn

[vagrant crane]

yeah if you have actual damage mm barge is way easier

because you only get one wave

they stop spawning after you kill the giant crystal

so if you just like do that

then you're gold

[minor flume]

yeah it isnt normally a problem, and like you said, it's actually quicker in some ways

[vagrant crane]

the real solution is to play modded

havent seen a barge in years....

[valid dagger]

okay change of plans: next aotw unmodded 50

[minor flume]

I'm already thinking of swapping to PC and mouse an keyboard, seems superior to controller

[vagrant crane]

both are good

basically never will kbm/controller bottleneck you

unless you're doing omega heat or plying hera

[minor flume]

I just find precise aiming feels off for me for controller*, but I'm also more of a MnK player

and dash slashing feels cumbersome, but maybe I just need to sit in front of skelly and do the motions for a few hours

[arctic oyster]

Should I use Stygian soul or the other one I forgot what’s the name oh ye and btw is trippy flare not good with beowulf

[vagrant crane]

infernal in basically 99% of cast builds

trippy flare is good but it takes a whole lot of rng to get going

and it's also the only time you use stygian soul on a cast build

or meme beams

[minor flume]

Wave pounding, shoals, and charged shot all in tartarus, how could this run go wrong. Stay tuned

[raw peak]

What gods for Guan-Yu spear?

[vagrant crane]

on special you want poseidon, artemis, or aphrodite

[minor flume]

Poseidon felt nice with high mobility mobs, kepts everything at bay

[flat kelp]

Does Poseidon on special keep the monster moving along with the weapon? Why Poseidon?

[vagrant crane]

has a high % and will trigger shoals

[vagrant crane]

[minor flume]

with higher heat and the pacts that make monsters faster, it helped me especially in elysium to keep mobs at a distance. and with shoals + wave pounding it does good boss damage.

[arctic oyster]

Yo you know for the flood shot build on beawulf what gods are good for the 3rd and 4th spot

[proper furnace]

Snow burst (demeter) is always decent but honestly jus fill your god pool with anything

Just see that they dont open duos with art/poseidon

[arctic oyster]

Aight come Demeter is here in a room so I’m looking for snow burst if possible

[arctic oyster]

Aight thank you bro

[vagrant crane]

athena divine dash is good

dem is also good like they said

but don’t take any other attack/special from athena

[arctic oyster]

Aight I’ll take Athena’s dash and that’s it

Yo bro this build is op

It’s so much fun

[vagrant crane]

don’t force her but if she pops up it’s nice

yea it is

[arctic oyster]

Artemis hasn’t popped up yet will I force her before going into asphodel

[minor flume]

yeah my last 32 was behe and it's just stupid OP

[arctic oyster]

Just done the run there and it’s acc op that build

Which is more fun to use lucifer or any of the boys

[tight basin]

Adding on to what was said, take boons from other gods that can't be pommed so you can focus your poms to your cast

[arctic oyster]

Anyone know a good build for lucifer

[proper furnace]

Same as eris

Lightning strike, good % special and tidal dash

Look for triple bomb

[arctic oyster]

Aight thank you

[leaden dove]

can anyone recommend me a fun challenge build or just a fun build in general to try at around 30-35 heat? any weapon/aspect is fine

[tight basin]

Gilgamesh tidal dash only lmao

[minor flume]

I literally just watched the speedrun of that

[waxen creek]

I suck at the Hades Aspect of Varatha

Any tips?

[leaden dove]

after applying debuff, try to dash strike as much as possible. so usually its dash strike twice, then regular attack about 2 times, then repeat. also try to get lots of crit. art attack, maybe go for her duo with dio and athena. i almost never use the special unless i got exploding launcher

[tight basin]

Straight up just use ME lmao

Ignore the gimmick unless it's between waves

Or use Achilles instead

[pine pollen]

Can you combine Curse of Drowning and Mirage Shot?

Where do you look for which duo boons can or can't be combined? I'm not sure where to find it on the codex if it's there

[acoustic skiff]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Duo_Boons

Cannot be combined

[pine pollen]

Ah thx

[waxen creek]

ME?

[tight basin]

merciful end

rare/epic ares attack -> athena special -> ME -> divine dash -> impending doom -> win

basically

[waxen creek]

You all really know your stuff

I guess a lot of you speedrun? I’ve only played casually

[tight basin]

Some of us Speedrun yeah

I do a lot of it

[valid dagger]

must be a real gamer

[dense basin]

Just have many hours of playing, where some stuff will be picked naturally

[still urchin]

What's the best build for Eris? Almost anything works on it in my experience but is there a broken build?

[vagrant crane]

zeus artemis poseidon clockets

shrimple

[still urchin]

Zues attack?

[vagrant crane]

yea

[still urchin]

I'm geussing Sea storm?

[vagrant crane]

atk spec dash in that order

no

you can’t get sea storm

[still urchin]

Can't get with Eris?

[vagrant crane]

it’s nice but like not important at all

[vagrant crane]

dash doesn’t open it

[still urchin]

Ah

[vagrant crane]

would need flood shot

but you would rather get shoals, beaver, might, etc

[still urchin]

I see

[waxen creek]

Any tips for managing distance and dodging EM2 Lernie during its second and penultimate phases?

It feels so chaotic to me, it's not hard but I'd like to do it cleaner

[valid dagger]

I think it'll most likely be practice and just generally empty dashing when in a tight spot

[minor flume]

I like to find the ones on the left spawning first and take them out asap, so I have an open area to breathe. and then poking at the right congested side when lernie goes left. Strat also depends on which lernie you get too

[valid dagger]

Worth noting that some weps are just gonna feel that way quite often because they're unsafe/dont have great damage

[waxen creek]

Empty dashing? Does that mean the opposite of spam dashing?

[valid dagger]

It means just pressing dash. Without pressing anything in between that would change it to a dash strike, because dash strikes strip your iframes.

But the opposite of spam dashing is also important

Being deliberate and timing your dashes properly can go a long way, not just for Lernie.

[copper valley]

How I optimise Varatha ?

I suck at them

I have every aspect +3 investissement in Guan Yu and I have all the Keepsake and Mort

What should I do ? ||ping me||

[drowsy saddle]

most of the spears play differently

theres a build guide pinned somewhere

for Achilles, mixed damage builds where you invest into flurry jab tidal dash for early game and sustain late game damage with strong casts like Lightning Phalanx or Hunting Blades

[proper furnace]

Pinned here

[drowsy saddle]

i think GY goes ME (?) with Athena special and charged skewer for big earlygame damage

[proper furnace]

Gy ME is mainly Speedrun

Charged skewer and a high % special is good enough

[copper valley]

I never do special with spear

I underestimate the utility ?

I don't see the damage / dps worth

[drowsy saddle]

on GY it is good

[copper valley]

Flurry Jab work on every Spear, no ?

[drowsy saddle]

on Achilles you use it to activate the aspect

i have no idea what you build on zagspear

hades kinda stinks so you use Exploding Launcheri think

[copper valley]

ME ?

(too much pin messages)

[proper furnace]

Bad tl;dr
Zag-hades dont bother unless you get exploding launcher (you still want charged skewer)
Achillea is your main tool for moving and for the +150% boost to attack-cast
Gy is alright dmg , AoE and piercing. Still needs charged skewer

[proper furnace]

Only zag-achilles

[drowsy saddle]

it is one message down my dude

[copper valley]

Oh, that !

Thanks

[drowsy saddle]

yea

[hoary sorrel]

I have been sleeping on Stygian soul. Just did a Beowolf (trippy flare/ mirage shot/ icey wine) and Achilles (hunting blades/mirage shot) runs.

Both runs went extremely well due to not having to wait on the casts go be pickupable again.

It super helped with beowolf

[vagrant crane]

infernal is better for hunting blades

[hoary sorrel]

Is it? I had 6 hunting blades out constantly, and that was not counting mirage shot

[vagrant crane]

you can also have them out with internal

it drops after 3.3s

which means the two extra casts are better

[hoary sorrel]

Ah, I had hermes quick reload, which was taking me down closer to 2.5 seconds on stygian regen

[vagrant crane]

imagine rd though

[hoary sorrel]

I had been running infernal and really struggled with em4. My first time using stygian with sub optimal boons (common slicing shot, no upgrades or the legendary from Ares) i almost beat EM4

[vagrant crane]

and like

ares slicing boons suck

black metal is whatever and engulfing is actively negative

but that sounds like a build issue

[hoary sorrel]

Can you explain this?

[vagrant crane]

explain what

[hoary sorrel]

1. How does blackmetal not help? (I get it won’t help against bosses) For clearing rooms AOE has to help a ton.
2. why is engulfing vortex a negative?

[vagrant crane]

black metal is just whatever because the aoe isn’t that much and you could have picked up a better boon

engulfing makes your casts take longer to drop

and the legendary is bugged

[hoary sorrel]

Oh, how so?

[vagrant crane]

let me

Vicious Cycle
Adds 2 damage per hit to Ares’ Aid as intended, but only 1 to slicing shot and blade dash and does not work at all for slicing flare.

ice wine is also bad on beo makes your casts take longer to pop

[tight basin]

stygian soul is better than infernal if you get good bonuses to go with it

for late game anyways

early game, infernal will always be better

[hoary sorrel]

Yeah, that is what I noticed

[tight basin]

and infernal is just way more consistent

[hoary sorrel]

I saw that, but the damage bonus seemed to really help.

[tight basin]

the only times you'd use stygian soul in a cast build is with meme beams or trippy flare

which is pretty much what you did on trippy beo lmao

but every other beo build would want infernal soul because of consistency

[vagrant crane]

trippy flare fake just do pash it’s so much cooler…

[tight basin]

actually infernal is just better because you dont have to wait

picking them up isn't that big of a deal

most of the time

[hoary sorrel]

I only run trippy flare on beo due to the bugs around it.

Makes it do hilarious damage xD

[tight basin]

lmao fair

[vagrant crane]

simply run hyper pash flare

[tight basin]

flood flare is an easier lead up into mirage shot but trippy flare can have big numbers

[hoary sorrel]

I have tried flood flare builds about 10 times, every time I struggle, but when I do trippy flare I do fine

[tight basin]

have you been getting mirage shot

[hoary sorrel]

Most of the time

[tight basin]

you shouldn't really have any problems then

infernal soul?

[hoary sorrel]

Yes

[tight basin]

weird

when do you generally get mirage, if you can remember

because flood flare damage is kinda sad in elysium without mirage

doable but sad

[hoary sorrel]

The issue I have I think is I tend to miss more with flood flare because I don’t feel as pressured to get the aim right as I do with trippy

But that is a guess

[tight basin]

lmao give flood flare another try

because like

flood flare and trippy play the same tbh

they both have big aoes so you'd aim the same

[hoary sorrel]

I just did yesterday, didn’t even make it to hades xD

Where as with trippy flare I almost never lose

But the damage you get on trippy flare is bonkers when you pom it and get mirage shot

[tight basin]

true

getting mirage shot is the difficult part lmao

[hoary sorrel]

Cake take hades down to 2/3rds with 3-4 casts even without mirage shot if you get enough poms

I haven’t gotten to try either trippy flare or hunting blades with the hermes bad news boon

Cannot wait to give that a try

[vagrant crane]

I AM GOING TO

oh my ogd

[copper valley]

Hello

Was doing a view of the next seed before doing the thing call real life and my first room with the bow is a hammer
What do I choose between the bow (I have all 4 aspect) and the power:

• Chain Shot
• Perfect Shot
• Twin Shot

(coming back later)

[vagrant crane]

twin

twin is best bow hammer

can just do rama ig

or zagbow

whichever u like more

the other 2 benefit less from those hammers

[copper valley]

So, power to the max

Let's brutelize the game

[hollow pier]

weird question maybe but what's the big man's total HP on EM4? I think normally it's 34k (17k per phase)

[obtuse summit]

16.5 per phase

[hollow pier]

doesn't he have less on the third one?

[vagrant crane]

iirc he starts at 80%

but the bar shows 80%

[arctic oyster]

Yo anyone know a good build for hera

[vagrant crane]

get crush shot and pom it

shrimple

[arctic oyster]

Is crush shot from aphrodite

[tight basin]

Yes

Try and get snow burst from Demeter as well

Good AOE and extra burst damage

Hera's a very simple build

[arctic oyster]

What’s a good build for rama

[tight basin]

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

Thanks MiKE

[valid dagger]

np

[minor flume]

I think I'm eventually going to try to push super high time/heat with Rama, it has such a cool concept in its design. Seems like something that gets really satisfying when you get better at it

[proper furnace]

Rama is so fun

[hollow pier]

trippy flare bug on beo always stays if you add ice wine and/or scintillating feast right? I've played that build a lot before and I should know but sometimes it seemed like ice wine reduced the damage to normal

[tight basin]

it should stay

i'm pretty sure it only gets reverted if you increase the rarity

ice wine is just a % boost and gives you a short delay

[hollow pier]

it was probably rare crop then, got it

[proper furnace]

Wait rarity change reverses the bug?

[ruby siren]

does Swift Flourish for Zeus aspect make the blitz disc dps faster or just move around the map faster? im guessing the latter but figured i'd ask

[proper furnace]

Neither iirc

Just how fast the shield comes out

[ruby siren]

wow utterly useless lol

i feel like it's basically instant prior to the buff

[tight basin]

I think so

I remember someone else mentioning it here

[fiery swallow]

Damn i got a really lucky run today

May i share the yt?

[errant narwhal]

you can post it in #self-promotion!

[copper valley]

zOh my Chthonic Gods !

Beowolf + Ares is crazy !!!

I'm only at 155h so I will see more but damn that look broken

[drowsy saddle]

it is not very good tbh but it looks funny and that counts for something

can you get Hunting Blades on flare?

because that would be hilarious

[proper furnace]

Nah

Only freezing vortex

[drowsy saddle]

damn

so it just sucks then

hey its good for early charon dps at least

i think

maybe its better to just shackle cast actually

[vagrant crane]

me when the passion is flaring

[drowsy saddle]

Yeah but is it better to have blade dash or passion flare for loyalty card

Arty call seems good but the RTA loss seems too much to use

[tight basin]

Why would you want blade dash

[hoary sorrel]

Beowulf + Trippy Flare + bad News + mirage shot = hilariously high damage. Just beat EM4 with forced overtime (13 heat) for the first time. Only used one stage of Death Defied, and still had half health. Cannot believe how broken that combo of boons is on Beowulf.

[proper furnace]

beo moment

[hoary sorrel]

Three casts loaded I was doing something like almost 5.5K damage, just from trippy flare, was not even counting the rush damage.

[proper furnace]

did you get the build knowing about the bugs?

[vagrant crane]

sounds like no mirage

[hoary sorrel]

Yes

[hoary sorrel]

It had it, it was a last second addition but definitely had it.

[proper furnace]

Nice

[vagrant crane]

not a lot of poms?

i guess 3 stones would do less

[hoary sorrel]

Only four or five. My timing with beowulf is still a bit off too, so I know sometimes he only got hit by two of the three flares since they don’t fire off at exactly the same time.

Any idea why the dev team didn’t patch out the beowulf related bugs?

[vagrant crane]

werent discovered probably

beo was not played a lot in EA

and if it was i believe it was cflight

[hoary sorrel]

I had terrible luck with chaos on this run. No cast stones, no cast damage. All I got was fully loaded off artemis.

[proper furnace]

On top of what jazz said they werent patched later too to not mess with the leaderboard for speedruns

[tight basin]

Speedrun hades 2 immediately so they can't patch any bugs

[drowsy saddle]

most dps for charon i think

[tight basin]

I mean I guess lmao

But also Charon for loyalty card is something

[drowsy saddle]

and yeah looking back at it slicing flare probably has less damage than shackle cast

but blade dash is likely better dps than passion flare

of course you'd probably want to just run hestia for charon% anyways but hestia has a skill floor and i dont like that

beo most accessible aspect fr fr

[copper valley]

Demeter have good fist but why do you use her boon for ?

They don't seem that useful in general

Like high potential but really not in every situation

[tight basin]

she's got snow burst and ravenous will for castpects but that's about it lmao

[round umbra]

Achilles Beams ❤️

[hoary sorrel]

Her cast builds are awesome.

Crystal clarity is fantastic

I think on achilies the demeter-Poseidon duo is somewhere between fun and good

Her frozen modifier can be good for survival by slowing down the enemy.

[vagrant crane]

she mostly exists for sometimes good and sometimes meh supporting boons

[distant cove]

What aspect of the bow is easiest to use to win?

[vagrant crane]

chiron

[distant cove]

thought so. Guess im not good with it yet

im on a 5 win streak rn

[tight basin]

tbh all the bows except rama are pretty easy to use

as long as you always dash strike

[distant cove]

how does the dash strike work on the bow? i've always just used the chiron aspect's thing

[tight basin]

it charges the attack faster

so after you dash, hold the attack and get a power shot

practice it on skelly, it'll become more like a rhythm game

[distant cove]

ah

[full mauve]

What's the nemesis build?

[vagrant crane]

you can do a few

heart rend

splash random stuff

ME

[rapid topaz]

Chiron or Rama, depend on how well you ultilize the Aspect. Dash strike works well with Rama :)) Ez damage with Poseidon Attack

[valid dagger]

[tight basin]

that was good until you said poseidon attack lmao

wouldn't necessarily call rama the easiest bow to win with tho but you certainly can tho

[keen forge]

I personally found zag bow easier to use at higher heats than Chiron

[jade gale]

exactly my reaction lol. You had me untill poseidon attack

then I was like: huh?

[vagrant crane]

that’s because it is

lol

[jade gale]

Chiron's essentially just a lowered powered vanilla build until you get a build going for it

[rapid topaz]

@tight basin Poseidon with Dio always do lovely damage. Po for Attk and Dio for special

[vagrant crane]

pos atk does not do lovely dmg lol

lowest % atk god by far

[tight basin]

The justification of Pos atk to push enemies away from you doesn't even work here because you need to shoot first before they get knocked back lmao

[vagrant crane]

repulse shot 2.0

[obtuse summit]

guys

hestia with aphro, tartarus 2:30, asphodel 5:30, elyssium 9:30, styx 12:30 what am i doing wrong and where can i cut

poseidon dash

pp

also im really trash with lernie, any tips

[lucid oar]

Taking shackle in asphodel should speed it up instead of taking Aphrodites keepsake

[obtuse summit]

so what do i use to start

[lucid oar]

Poseidon keepsake for tidal dash

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1019DSLlyHwg7_oIiN3Il-NUYdHEbl783G7ZvstFSCD4/edit this guide from zyruvias should be useful

[obtuse summit]

oh ok

thanks

@lucid oar so where do i take aphro keepsake

elyssium?

[lucid oar]

Generally you don’t

[obtuse summit]

oh

ok

what do i take after shackle or do i keep forever

[lucid oar]

If you find a good attack boon take it off

The guide should have this info

[obtuse summit]

ok tysm

[obtuse summit]

and replace with

[lucid oar]

It’s in the guide

[flint pawn]

Hello, everyone. Need some help with rail builds. Struggling on 17 heat or so.
I'm usually going for Zeus + Aphro or Dio + Aphro. After reading lots of guides, most recommend Zeus to quickly melt rooms full of enemies. However, I have more trouble with bosses and enemies with a lot of health than with mobs. What do you recommend to do a lot of consistent damage?
I like Dio (mostly to stack Hangover, not so much for Festive Fog because of its slowness) but it doesn't seem to be enough.
Thanks in advance!

[proper furnace]

for dmg with zeus get static discharge and pom it a few lvls, using tidal dash also adds quite a lot of dmg for bosses
buff your special (dream set up being cluster + rocket bomb)
for dio runs just pom it every time you get really

are you using eris aspect?

[flint pawn]

Yeah, Eris. Thanks for the tips

Special = Poseidon or Aphrodite? Or someone else?

[vagrant crane]

not pos

arty is preferable

aph at high rarity

[flint pawn]

Interesting. I usually like to stack effects on enemies but going for full damage/crit seems nice

[proper furnace]

are you using priviliged status by chance?

[flint pawn]

Arty is my fav goddess in the game due to the boons (Assist Fire 💙) but I tend to look for synergy with effects, mostly

[flint pawn]

I tend to go for the other option to get damage %, but guess I should try it. I usually go for a lot of gods to increase this effect, but lately I've been trying to get less gods per run to get more duos and legendaries

[proper furnace]

oh no if you are using family favourites you are perfect

use PS for hangover runs tho

as you are already going for hangover + weak anyways

[flint pawn]

Good to know

[proper furnace]

going for less gods can hurt your chances to see the gods you want in first place

do you know how the god pool works?

[flint pawn]

Yeah

[flint pawn]

Tomorrow I'll have another chance to try builds. Thanks for the tips, everyone. If you have something else to add later on, please do, all help is much appreciated

[waxen creek]

What's the optimal way to play with the Merciful End boon? I've heard it's super OP but whenever I've got it, it didn't help me boost my damage much at all

Last time, I got Athena Attack, Doom Special and Impending Doom then finally Merciful End

[vagrant crane]

do you have the dash

[waxen creek]

Nope

[vagrant crane]

oh

doom spec sucks

get it on atk

[proper furnace]

what weapon it was

[waxen creek]

It was, lemme think, oh yeah it was the Demeter Fists

[proper furnace]

yeah dont put doom on special

the idea is that you have doom on attack and divine dash so you can just spam dash strikes

special is just there to open ME

and some fancy tech before getting dash

[waxen creek]

Yeah, I thought it would be something like that

What kind of fancy tech?

[proper furnace]

you can fit a dash strike and a dash upper in one dash

[waxen creek]

Wut?!

[proper furnace]

just press special right after a dash strike

[ruby siren]

does anybody kno if chaos' special damage buff roiling flourish applies to dash upper as well? funny coincidence that i walked in on a convo about dash-uppers

[ruby siren]

also this is awesome i had no freakin clue it was a thing

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[ruby siren]

thank god lol

[proper furnace]

Any special/dash strike buff affects dash uppers

Also fun fact

[ruby siren]

dash strike buffs also affect dash upper?

[proper furnace]

Dash uppers dont count for "take dmg when using special", curses

[proper furnace]

Ye

[ruby siren]

WOW both of these facts are incredibly unexpected and freakin sick this is gonna be a fun run

omggg i map special to right click so i can literally just click both mpuse buttons and effectively dashstrike and dash upper simultaneously holyyyy

the fists were already my fave weapon this is like christmas

now if only i could debuff the sneak

[proper furnace]

Is this a hangover run

[ruby siren]

nahhh gilgamesh w arty n demeter. might go for ice wine tho

[tight basin]

does that work for you lmao from when i tried to do that it didn't really work and just didn't dupper at all

[ruby siren]

gilgamesh is literally the only time i will tolerate demeter's dash

[tight basin]

unironically get breaching cross hammer and meg the hp instead of the armor

dependent on you getting the hammer ofc but it'll help

[ruby siren]

idk it feels sticky but i think it's working? maybe not tho, i lost all 3 dds in tartarus xD it might just be my godawful playing tho

[vagrant crane]

average fists experience

[ruby siren]

i have breaching cross actually

thats dash strk 900% v armor right?

[tight basin]

to be fair, that might be because of gilga

[tight basin]

yeah

super good against minibosses and dad adds

[ruby siren]

lmaooo the fists were actually the first weapon i beat 24 heat with after struggling for months i think i play best with them. but i dont think it was gilgamesh

[proper furnace]

Breaching cross is super comfy

[tight basin]

gilga is like if fists and arthur had a baby and it never grew up and kept the strength of a baby

guess not exactly true because the standing strikes are pretty good but you get the idea

[vagrant crane]

and impossible to do

[proper furnace]

I still like gilga just barely by that one clip of like a month ago of someone clearing a tart room in like 3 standing attacks

[tight basin]

just hold down the attack and after your dash strikes are done and are on cooldown, you get free standing strikes :)

[proper furnace]

It was just so clean

[tight basin]

my man cherry

he's still grinding the sub6 somehow

it's impressive how much dedication he has to it

and how he hasn't lost his mind

[proper furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/936261872909422702/Triangulation.mp4

Posting again so more people appreciate it

[waxen creek]

Just tried Merciful End with Nemesis

It sucked

I put Athena on Special, Ares on Attack

It just doesn't do enough damage to justify going after it

[proper furnace]

Dash or not?

[waxen creek]

Didn't get the dash

[proper furnace]

Also doom rarity/poms matter a lot

[waxen creek]

Bad RNG

[proper furnace]

ME builds moment

Is powerful but def rng dependant

[waxen creek]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm mostly salty because I just lost a 22 win streak

[proper furnace]

Eh you'll go back in no time after a while

[tight basin]

it does do a lot of damage if you get the dash and impending doom lmao

ME is super needy for it to have a lot of damage

[waxen creek]

So basically if the stars align, it's goated, if not it's mid

[tight basin]

yeah pretty much

i mean it's fine without good hermes or impending doom tbh

[proper furnace]

You still can clear without ME/dash if you go defensive too

Or depending in the rest of your god pool you can try to save it with anything lmao

Cast builds/smair moment

[tight basin]

pos cast -> cod

[waxen creek]

To be fair, I made a dumb play by not picking up enough centaur hearts while on medium heat

[tight basin]

it do be like that sometimes

[proper furnace]

"eh my hp is fine for, I'll just pick up later"
Suddenly at dad with like 120 or less hp

[waxen creek]

Is Icy Wine the duo boon that puts a delay on Trippy Flare's activation when using Beo?

[proper furnace]

Ye

[waxen creek]

Good to know, because I almost went for Demeter while on Trippy Beo build

[waxen creek]

Any tips for fighting EM4?

[proven osprey]

Prayers won't help

The fight is a ton of practice. I recommend playing it a lot, without forced overtime at first

[polar python]

Without knowing your preferred build and play style it's pretty much impossible to say more than "git gudder". I've got basic things I'll aim for if I add EM4 (e.g. Hestia Rail with Aphrodite attack and ideally Piercing Shot or Targetting System).

If using Trippy Beo, see if you can add Scintillating Feast and Double Strike or Jolted. That's bonkers DoT.

Basically for me, I want a build that lets me really control my distance/spacing if I'm doing EM4 (since I'm in Hell Mode and the potential for a life ending combo is really high).

[proper furnace]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/126vagPhjSWQMR1x8O9tJT3neweSTdUUfw2pNVjqX7lU/edit# there's also this guide by Nephi in the speedrun discord

[fluid flax]

okay so im trying to beat hades on a first run, right?

and I run into the small vermin miniboss

I want to get to hades without any HP lost, so I have to nohit it

on the run I sadly was only able to get the athena boons basically, so there isn't anything in terms of passive damage

[vagrant crane]

theres a fountain in the sack chamber

[fluid flax]

yeah, I got it already

[vagrant crane]

wait

then why r u continuing

[fluid flax]

dps

and Ideally id buy a centaur heart

[vagrant crane]

dont need to continue after for dps

[fluid flax]

the room reward was a pom

and the less time spent in the hades fight, the better yk

[tight basin]

not worth the hp loss tbh

[fluid flax]

also weirdly, you get to just retry every room to perfection on a first run, so that isn't a problem

[tight basin]

and a pom won't speed up the fight that much unless it's your first or second pom on a boon

[fluid flax]

yeah the idea is that the special would go from +150% on the heroic version for athena to probably like

250?

so it's worth it

but basically, just any tips for the attack patterns of the small vermin for melee?

[vagrant crane]

it will not do that

[tight basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1114247155595612181/output.png?width=800&height=600

you got like 11 poms back there? lmao

[fluid flax]

omg what

that's wild

[tight basin]

i mean

100% increase from 1 pom (or 2) is wild

[fluid flax]

I thought it went like each time is 40% of the benefit of the last one

that's true tho

[tight basin]

diminishing returns on poms

generally not worth pomming anything past like 5 or 6

some exceptions but most of the time

[fluid flax]

right.

peer pressure stays winning

*pressure point 😭

I forgot what boons were called what

[tight basin]

not worth pomming that either lmao

but yeah for fresh file, and in general, once you find the sack/fountain you just go do the boss fight

[fluid flax]

ye ig

not worth the potential hassle

[tight basin]

you're just gonna lose too much hp at that point and you're not gonna get anything that'll increase your dps that much

unless you get ME i guess

[fluid flax]

merciful end?

[tight basin]

yeah

[fluid flax]

ofc that one's name sticks

LETS GO

NO HIT IT

and yeah, the increase is

not even to 200%

hades will be very silly on 200 hp

[waxen creek]

Blood and darkness, Merciful End actually rocks once you have Athena Dash

Currently on a Demeter Fists w/ Merciful End build

[vagrant crane]

yea lmfao

big damage

[waxen creek]

And I got kinetic launcher

BEEK NOOMBER

Is Heavy Knuckle good?

[vagrant crane]

no

[waxen creek]

And now I've got Deadly Reversal

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-clap-clapping-applause-gif-10184275

[waxen creek]

Is Clouded Judgement good or nah?

Looks OK on paper

[valid dagger]

It’s just decent, problem with it is that Zeus has lots of better stuff to offer

But as a boon on its own it’s ok yea

[thorny coral]

try it on Zeus shield, won't be needing divine dash then

[vagrant crane]

i mean u do

[thorny coral]

why?

[vagrant crane]

for consistent and fast procs

[thorny coral]

isn't it consistent and fast enough with just your attack and special (with pblow)?

[vagrant crane]

no and you wouldnt have pulv blow

but your attack is slower than dash and if you have doom on atk it makes your damage independent of spec

in rooms you need to get the spec at enemies to deal dmg

without dash

[thorny coral]

that't the thing though, would you rather have doom on attack or spec?

[vagrant crane]

you would probably rather have it on atk but you can also do spec

[valid dagger]

Nah

Doom on Special is stronger

And you indeed dont need divine dash

[vagrant crane]

rlly?

[valid dagger]

It's a nice touch but it's consistent enough without it

Yes

Doom special has higher base damage and scales better with poms

[thorny coral]

that's what i think too

[vagrant crane]

it has better pom scaling???

[valid dagger]

By a lot yea

[vagrant crane]

it has worse damage on heroic for some reason

120 vs 125

i thought it was just taking higher rarity

[thorny coral]

I mean what's even the point of using Zeus ME if you don't have doom on your special

[valid dagger]

I mean poms matter more than rarity, as long as its not common

But Common special is much better than common attack

[vagrant crane]

it has more dmg

ea

but also the tartarus biome exists

what did wr have

spec htedn

rip vod

i feel like youd have to be actually good at the weapon to use it without the dash and doom spec tho

[valid dagger]

Yea baj deleted vod I think

[vagrant crane]

and account

[valid dagger]

yea

rip

You might be able to find some info if you dig up old convos, Zeus is kinda underused because it's tough and when people run it, it's likely high heat where you dont go for ME anyway. Both ways are viable, I played with Doom Special a decent amount and like it more, but it was high heat. Applying Doom with Attack wasn't as nice for me

[vagrant crane]

o yea but like for running is it still better

[valid dagger]

Like speedrunning?

I think so but I'm not one to say

[vagrant crane]

god i miss hyper already

unarmored witch room

[valid dagger]

I played modded today and I can barely tolerate it

imagine grinding unmodded

[vagrant crane]

i could not

i can tolerate hestia modded though

because thats the only way ive played it

[thorny coral]

that's what i do

claiming bointies actually

[vagrant crane]

my condolences

[valid dagger]

I could do that probably, or run some high heat as long as it's not above 55 but in terms of speedrunning it's probably never gonna happen

[vagrant crane]

drk true warrior

damn dying lament is kinda pogging

for reference https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1114986129305911356/output.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1114986134364225607/output.png

[thorny coral]

yeah it has satisfying sound effect

[vagrant crane]

yeah the pomscaling is a bit more pog

[lucid oar]

[craggy lichen]

how many times can i upgrade a weapon?

[vagrant crane]

WDYM

aspect? 5

[craggy lichen]

yes thats what i meant

thx

[wanton comet]

Does anyone know any fun builds for the spear or bow?

because I barely have any successful escape attempts on them and I gotta use them for the ambrosia and everything

Its just I find the bow really clunky and the spear is not as fun as the other weapons

[tight basin]

there's a build guide pinned here

for bow, make sure you're always dash striking

[wanton comet]

oh sweet

[tight basin]

it charges faster and makes it less clunky

more like a rhythm game

[wanton comet]

really?

[tight basin]

yeah

[wanton comet]

I see

[tight basin]

practice it on skelly

it's considerably faster

[wanton comet]

its just I don't like how much I stand still on the bow and it just feels weird to use

[tight basin]

charging the bow faster for a power shot will limit how little you stand still tbf

[wanton comet]

ok

What aspect do you use?

[tight basin]

any of them work fine tbh

zag bow will help with your fundamentals more

on hera and kinda chiron you dont really want to power shot

on hera, the cast is doing all the damage so you want to get into close range and basically do min-charges

on chiron, the bulk of your damage is from the special so you really just want to tag them

but power shoting is still fine for additional damage, esp with fiery presence

rama is a bit difficult to get into at first, but it's kinda the same as zag bow except you use the special for shared suffering "AOE"

[wanton comet]

I see

I'll try to give it another shot

Because I really enjoy the rail

and using more ranged stuff sounds fun

[waxen creek]

Is explosive fire good?

My choices:

• Spread fire
• Ricochet fire
• Explosive fire

[vagrant crane]

what aspect

[waxen creek]

Hestia

[vagrant crane]

take ricochet

best non special hammer on hestia

[waxen creek]

Too late and you're definitely right about that, using explosive fire now and it sucks

[vagrant crane]

lets you shoot around walls on bosses and gives you potentially double dps in rooms

[minor flume]

explosive is "ok" but honestly the aoe should be larger, its pitifully small

[thorny coral]

no wonder

[deft acorn]

Best build for Fist- Gilgamesh?

[valid dagger]

Merciful End or Dash only with Poseidon Dash

[waxen creek]

I love ME with the Fists

It's my go to for them now

I use Demeter Fists though, not sure whether Gilgamesh is more powerful or not but I'm not good enough at avoiding damage to use it well

[thorny coral]

Gilgamesh is infamous for being the slowest weapon in the game and Demeter is best Malphon aspect

although Gilgamesh is dash only weapon so at least that makes it viable

[drowsy saddle]

gilgamesh isn't the slowest, no way

chiron exists

[valid dagger]

They're both strong contenders

[drowsy saddle]

yeah but gilga looks like it feels good to play, at the very least

[thorny coral]

personally i think that Arthur is worst

[drowsy saddle]

it's probably faster than chiron

[thorny coral]

didn't really play Chiron yet

[vagrant crane]

gilga is slower than hciron

[drowsy saddle]

really

[vagrant crane]

yeah

[drowsy saddle]

it looks fast at the very least

[vagrant crane]

because gilga sucks

arthur isnt that bad its just that nobody wants to play it except one person

and you

[drowsy saddle]

and me

[thorny coral]

Arthur is noob weapon i think

[drowsy saddle]

i need to go do some arthur no reset attempts soon

[vagrant crane]

because it actually has the capacity within itself to deal damage to the enemies

[drowsy saddle]

i am not good enough at that aspect

[vagrant crane]

which chiron and gilga both lack

[drowsy saddle]

im surprised that chiron is faster than gilga but i guess its basically zagbow but a little slower

and zagbow is dece

by a little i mean a lot

[vagrant crane]

there are two people in history who have ever played gilga

[thorny coral]

Zag bow is one of the best there is what are you talking about

[vagrant crane]

i mean zag bow is alright

[wanton comet]

What?

[drowsy saddle]

wait there's more than one???

[vagrant crane]

cherry and ananke

[drowsy saddle]

oh ananke

[vagrant crane]

yea they have the same pb

[thorny coral]

it's an A-tier weapon at least

[vagrant crane]

ok]

it just

you need like

stuff

to deal damage

and getting stuff is hard

[wanton comet]

I cant use the zag bow

[drowsy saddle]

there's no like utterly bad weapons in this game

[vagrant crane]

gilga

[drowsy saddle]

so a tier is like

decent

even gilga is playable

[wanton comet]

It takes so much blood

[vagrant crane]

5??\

[drowsy saddle]

massive 5 blood cost

[wanton comet]

Yeah

[vagrant crane]

🤯 5 blod...

[wanton comet]

I can only get max 2 per run

And at most maybe 1

Because hades is so goddamn hard

[thorny coral]

what stuff, twin shot or triple shot

[drowsy saddle]

i'd say this game has no weapons lower than b tier

[thorny coral]

i prefer twin shot personally

[drowsy saddle]

because gilga is not bad

[vagrant crane]

twin, good chaos, good atk, good hermes, etc etc

[drowsy saddle]

it is the worst, but it is not bad

[thorny coral]

don't agree

Arthur is an F for sure

[drowsy saddle]

every weapon is playable and has the capacity to succeed

[vagrant crane]

arthur is not that bad

[wanton comet]

Yeah

[drowsy saddle]

arthur is very good in casual play

[wanton comet]

Arthur is the reason I could beat the game at least once

[drowsy saddle]

this aint no melee

every aspect is viable

[thorny coral]

it gives you +50 health mane

[vagrant crane]

sure its kinda a stinker but still 100 base per dash strike isnt miserable

[drowsy saddle]

which is why i say no aspect is below b tier

b-, if you want to get semantic-y about it

but there are no actually bad weapons

[wanton comet]

+50 max health is really damn good

[vagrant crane]

ok?

[thorny coral]

that's what i was talking about

[vagrant crane]

i mean sure it sucks at heat

[wanton comet]

Thats why I dont use the secret aspect for spear

[vagrant crane]

and it's bottom 4 at speed

[wanton comet]

Guan yu I think its called

[vagrant crane]

but it's better than chiron and gilga

[drowsy saddle]

but it's good for casual play and it can still succeed

[wanton comet]

I get two shotted

[vagrant crane]

which ngl is not a high bar

LMFAO

[wanton comet]

That thing is impossible to use

Hate it

[vagrant crane]

but like if you put arthur in f tier you have to put gilga and chiron in

[thorny coral]

it's so bad that the devs thought that they need to compensate you

[vagrant crane]

that's not how that works

it is built to make you tanky

[drowsy saddle]

that is not how that works at all

[vagrant crane]

it literally gives you 40% DR

[thorny coral]

godmode

[drowsy saddle]

arthur is the tank weapon

[vagrant crane]

what about god mode

[thorny coral]

it gives you godmode basically

[drowsy saddle]

yeah

[vagrant crane]

i mean

[drowsy saddle]

tank weapon

[thorny coral]

and i don't like it

[vagrant crane]

40 vs 80 is a big difference

[drowsy saddle]

godmode is 80%

damn

[vagrant crane]

but that doesn't mean it's bad

[drowsy saddle]

didnt know that

[vagrant crane]

well

it is bad

but it's not worse than some other suspect aspects

[drowsy saddle]

it is not good

[tight basin]

i mean arthur is fine tbh

[drowsy saddle]

but it is viable

arthur is fine

[wanton comet]

I juat got gilga

[tight basin]

just dont do speed with it

[vagrant crane]

or heat

[thorny coral]

fully leveled up yes

[drowsy saddle]

it is worse than average but it is not bad

[vagrant crane]

poor nephi

[tight basin]

lmao i mean heat can't be that bad tbh

[wanton comet]

Bought to try a run with it

[vagrant crane]

he doesn't know

[drowsy saddle]

mistake

see isnt gilga like 3 blood

[vagrant crane]

yea

to unlock

[drowsy saddle]

damn

[vagrant crane]

lmfao

[drowsy saddle]

thats a scam

[vagrant crane]

15 to fully lvl maim dmg

[drowsy saddle]

idk i havent unlocked gilga

[vagrant crane]

i never unlocked gilga or hades on my save

[wanton comet]

I would put

Rama f tier

[vagrant crane]

lol

[drowsy saddle]

rama easy a tier

[tight basin]

[wanton comet]

The rest of bow aspects c tier

[vagrant crane]

[tight basin]

my brother in christ

[drowsy saddle]

[vagrant crane]

[tight basin]

it has a 5:26 and a 60 heat clear

[wanton comet]

And then everyrhing else b, a or s tier

[drowsy saddle]

GILGA OVER BOW

[thorny coral]

Arthur-lover talking, no wonder

[tight basin]

i think you just suck with bows lmao

[wanton comet]

I do

I dont like it

[proven osprey]

🍿

[drowsy saddle]

you can rank aspects on preference sure

thats fine

[thorny coral]

see the thing is you have to be somewhat good at the game to use those efficiently, whereas with Arthur you the only thing you need is pair of hands, maybe even one will do

[drowsy saddle]

jeez dude why do you hate the funny bonk sword so much

[vagrant crane]

arthur is very technical lol

[drowsy saddle]

its the funny weapon

you do the damage

[wanton comet]

Yeah and Im not good at the game

So bow is not good

[thorny coral]

in time you will be, but you won't if you ingore good weapons

[wanton comet]

Anything the bow can do I like the spear and rail more

[thorny coral]

because it gives you +50 health

[drowsy saddle]

whats wrong with that

[vagrant crane]

what

[thorny coral]

it makes the game easier

[drowsy saddle]

mfw buff makes game easier

[vagrant crane]

"games should be HARD so only ELITE GAMERZ can play them"

[thorny coral]

nah not like that

[tight basin]

do you not use the mirror and always do boonless or something

[thorny coral]

i mean i understand the purpose of Arthur like I sais

i will maybe when i claim all bounties

[drowsy saddle]

arthur just gives you better HC uptime ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wanton comet]

Bow has no damage

[drowsy saddle]

it really does

just power shot

[thorny coral]

it has greatest damage in the game probably

[wanton comet]

Is that hold left click?

[drowsy saddle]

ah

thats why you dont like it

[thorny coral]

base i mean

on average

[tight basin]

beowulf exists lmao

[drowsy saddle]

do you not charge the shots

[vagrant crane]

[drowsy saddle]

because if so

yeah no wonder you dont like it

lmao

[wanton comet]

No, because it takes too long

[drowsy saddle]

yeah thats why you arent doing damage

[tight basin]

dash strikes make it faster

[drowsy saddle]

because you are not pressing the damage button

[tight basin]

also tbf zag kinda needs twin/triple for good damage

[thorny coral]

Beowulf alone deals greatest damage in the game, but shields overall are not as good as bows

[tight basin]

or at least to feel "good"

[drowsy saddle]

true true

idk flurry zagbow is fun

[wanton comet]

beowolf is fun

[tight basin]

zeus shield heat moment

[drowsy saddle]

you hold down the button and it do funny damage

[vagrant crane]

OK then rail

[tight basin]

also aspect of charged shot is funny

[drowsy saddle]

i think overall rail is best

[thorny coral]

Rail is just best weapon overall

[tight basin]

it's certainly not bad but also it's kinda eh

[wanton comet]

I love lucifer aspect

[vagrant crane]

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