#h1-builds-and-combat

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plain river
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No

last dirge
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Zeus is just faster output

plain river
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It’s +% on low base damage

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zeus is faster better aoe

last dirge
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Yeah

plain river
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The deflect of the arrows is like
Just dodge the projectiles

last dirge
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Impending and Rama seem contrary to me

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Maybe not. It could finish enemies

rapid sandal
last dirge
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But that seems redundant

rapid sandal
last dirge
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Fair but divine dash works

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Or call

plain river
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Or

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Dash iframes

last dirge
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Yeah

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Ddash is very good on Rama too

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Dash strike dmg is just excellent though

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Especially because I prefer Artemis

rapid sandal
last dirge
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So focus Chaos too

rapid sandal
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i like artemis dash the most

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idk how duo boons work never tried to build them really

last dirge
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Just check your journal thing

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Check Olympians

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You can check for duos

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And all other boon requirements

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Just learn those and aim for them at the start

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Try to think what order works best

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Often it's just what works best

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On Rama first boon is actually tough to decide

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Hunter's dash, an attack boon, or a good flat dmg special boon are all fairly decent starts

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Mainly because Zeus is really strong in tart

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Then hopefully you get Static Discharge in Tart/Asphodel

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Then maybe Double Strike for Splitting Bolt

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Huge special dmg

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For hammers go twin/triple or point blank shot

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With Rama often you will be in closer range

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The key is learning the new attack timing and making appropriate distance so enemies dont disrupt you before a power shot.

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And doing that all before Shared Suffering falls off.

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Oh and always start with special.

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It adds damage even versus single targets

rapid sandal
last dirge
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Np

plain river
last dirge
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When not?

plain river
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If you know it’s going to die first hit from your fiery presence bonus

last dirge
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Ah

plain river
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whixh

last dirge
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And single target?

plain river
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Eventually you can tell

last dirge
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Yeah

plain river
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that is single target

last dirge
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I can tell usually

plain river
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I mean even multi target

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It’s still worth if you line up the enemies

last dirge
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If they're bunched together sure

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Yeah

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Also just imo a good special means you can be less reliant on power shots. Same when you have point blank.

rapid sandal
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what does call do exactly?

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oh wait

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i know nvm

last dirge
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Yeah it's just a God's effect on you/around you

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Or a projectile

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Or a giant vortex

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I like Demeter call kinda tbh

rapid sandal
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what is the best cast for hera?

last dirge
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A dream of mine is smouldering air with Demeter call

plain river
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Aphrodite

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big base damage

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And hera solves all the range problems

last dirge
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Phalanx 2nd. Lightning Phalanx is very strong.

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Very fun when you get Mirage Shot

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Lightning Phalanx makes the cast act like chain lightning

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And considering it's the like 3rd hardest hitting cast that's really good

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It also seeks out enemies

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Maybe competing with Trippy?

dusty ore
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I got the cursed slash with the fast slash thingie on the blade, litteraly imortal, but the rats got mezagcry

rapid sandal
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@last dirge thank you so much... but the terms you guys are using
mirage shot lightning phalanx etc it's gonna take me a while to figure out what those even are xD

last dirge
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I explained lightning phalanx above

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Mirage shot just adds a weaker 2nd cast

rapid sandal
plain river
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Phalanx shot

last dirge
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Poseidon + Artemis

plain river
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From athena

last dirge
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I said lightning phalanx

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So yes

plain river
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With the athena+zeus duo

rapid sandal
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i c ty

plain river
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Oh wait

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I read wrong

last dirge
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Storm lightning wont effect it though iirc

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The boon that adds more chains to your chain lightning

plain river
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Lightning phalanx isn’t chain lightning

last dirge
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Bad boon anyway

plain river
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So it won’t

last dirge
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Yeah

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It just adds that property to the cast

rapid sandal
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I'll hopefully memorize all the boon names and what they do by next week SadCatThumb

last dirge
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No rush

plain river
rapid sandal
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can someone share a screenshot with me for a good hera build?

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just a screenshot where you can visually see the boons that are good for it

plain river
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I don’t play Hera enough or well enough to have one that I would trust

last dirge
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Get Snow Burst for aoe

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Demeter boon that adds an aoe chill burst to your cast action

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Around you

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When you load, with Hera

plain river
rapid sandal
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''You know, I think I'm growing more accustomed to relating to a giant stone''
LOL

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priceless

rapid sandal
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ty ;-;

plain river
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Uh

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Some of it

rapid sandal
plain river
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It’s like

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Not all of them are particularly good choices

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But there is some solid stuff there

last dirge
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Aim for a slim build so you can pom your cast lots

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Then your attack and then snowburst

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Hammers are also pretty obvious. Twin shot and perfect/flurry

plain river
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this sucks as a 40 heat pact

last dirge
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Flurry is a little harder

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And can devolve into bad Zagreus aspect

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Well weird

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If you do lightning phalanx then I think flurry will be easier?

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Because even if you dont get a great shot, it will ricochet to other enemies

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You cant really get a bad shot with it besides missing entirely.

rapid sandal
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imma just..... experiment with some stuff

dusty ore
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One question, where can you upgrade with titan blood, i can't find it

rapid sandal
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you interact with the weapon you want to upgrade and there should be an upgrade button somewhere around there

plain river
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if yes then you can interact with your equiped weapon a second time in the chamber to bring up the menu

rapid sandal
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@plain riveris lucifer beam with zeus attack boon good?

plain river
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Yes

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It’s objectively the best strike for lucifer

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Not only is it flat damage on the strike

rapid sandal
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it's literally clearing rooms in an instant yeah

plain river
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The chains will also break out and may hit your bombs

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causing them to explode

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and since the special explosions are huge damage on lucifer

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the sooner you can explode them the better

dusty ore
rapid sandal
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darn

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chiron is not someone you wanna mess with

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he feels tougher than the final boss

plain river
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Charon

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And it’s only because you never fight him that he feels like that

rapid sandal
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@plain river do i want Ares boons in my hera build?

plain river
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No

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They aren’t helping you

rapid sandal
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i still dunno what im doing but im getting everything that boosts cast damage

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@plain river@last dirge what boons do i want from demeter?

plain river
rapid sandal
plain river
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Yes

rapid sandal
plain river
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Uh

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Is this the room immediately sfter that above photo

rapid sandal
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yes

plain river
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Where the only options were pom, pos, and ares

rapid sandal
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wait im.. low IQ

plain river
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and not demeter

rapid sandal
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yeah

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i mistaked the poseidon sign for demeter's 💀

plain river
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I figured

rapid sandal
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@plain riverso uuh.. do i want any athena boons?

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the dash no?

plain river
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Uh

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Whose boons do you currently have

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And on what

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Actually just send your whole boon menu

rapid sandal
plain river
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Hm

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I’m thinking

rapid sandal
plain river
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Because personally I care less about the defensive side of things at this heat I wouldn’t take it and grab zeus instead

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but

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If you care about defense

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Go for her

rapid sandal
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disclaimer: I have no clue what im doing but i find hera quite powerful and easy to use

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i still have some muscle memory from playing all those years back, the key to clearing rooms fast with hera is lining them triple cast-loaded dash attacks perfectly so the aphrodite cast wave hits everything

gilded wedge
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hera is strong yeah

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I think the decisions you're making are fine

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athena is always nice for ddash but not especially needed for hera

plain river
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Not necessarily 3

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Because then you have casts left over to shoot at other enemies

rapid sandal
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@plain river@gilded wedgehttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043953082431709237/1099649460130283530/image.png

plain river
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Ddash

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That gives you your projectile clear that you wanted

rapid sandal
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i just thought it would be great to have reflect on bow specials that cover the entire screen

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(hera and Zagreus bows)

gilded wedge
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the special on bow is considered to be not great

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it's slow and the damage is sad

plain river
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bow special is like

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A slot to dump in cores

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for duos

rapid sandal
gilded wedge
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yeahh

rapid sandal
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@plain river@gilded wedgewhat trinket do i switch to? im currently at the end of tartarus with aphrodite trinket equipped

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i mean keepsakes

plain river
rapid sandal
plain river
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Poseidon

rapid sandal
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ah xd

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@plain riverwhat duo boons do i want?

plain river
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none in particular here tbh

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Your 2 options are unshakable mettle and stubborn roots

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Stubborn roots is better then unshakeable mettle by a long shot

rapid sandal
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it doesnt boost my casts damage

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have you guys been recommending defensive stuff to me this whole time?

plain river
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Wait

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I forgot about 1 other

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But hera doesn’t rely on duos

rapid sandal
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i think i should get the artemis boon

plain river
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parting shot is the hera+aphrodite one

plain river
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you’ve already got 4 gods haven’t you?

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Parting shot is a duo you can get to boost cast damage

rapid sandal
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athena aphrodite demeter and poseidon

plain river
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but typically hera isn’t a duo focused aspect

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Crush shot just works

rapid sandal
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thats good to hear

plain river
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although

rapid sandal
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i dont like the duo boon requirements at all

plain river
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You know when I mentioned taking zeus > athena earlier unless you wanted defense?

rapid sandal
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alright

plain river
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Zeus call -> smouldering air would’ve been an offensive duo

rapid sandal
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alright

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i think i need to stop trying to build meta

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this is overwhelming im not enjoying the game anymore i should just do whatever i want and win by dodging well

plain river
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I mean

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Learning how to build good builds is part of the Hades experience

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but also yeah

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You don’t have to play meta if you don’t want to

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and playing whatever brings you joy is the best way to play

rapid sandal
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@plain riverdoes hades have mods?

plain river
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I don’t know anything about them outside of the speedrun modpsck

rapid sandal
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@plain riverim doing 1.5k damage per triple cast shot, is that good?

plain river
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I think

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Idk I’m no hera player

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I’m just a parrot

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Actually

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I can figure out really fast if that’s good

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Ok so

rapid sandal
plain river
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It’s good

rapid sandal
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well im dying

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i dont like this build its not easy to use

plain river
rapid sandal
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you have to micromanage your casts

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where they land if you miss, which enemies they are inside

plain river
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You can put your casts in while you’re still loadinf

plain river
rapid sandal
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call me crazy but i find the lightning Chiron build stronger

plain river
rapid sandal
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keyboard and mouse

plain river
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I wouldn’t ask if you were controller or kbm if I didn’t know what kbm was

rapid sandal
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its me who is the problem

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but dw i figured it out

plain river
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So

rapid sandal
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Keyboardmouse

plain river
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The 2 things that are holding the build back for you

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Are both mechanical skill

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From the sounds of it

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Which will come with practice

rapid sandal
plain river
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but that’s not to say you shouldn’t play chiron

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if you don’t want to

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it’s just that hera is strong

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It just takes a bit of practice

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Oh you have phalanx shot instwad of crush shot now?

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Or wait is this a new run

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The 1 category

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That I had come to agreement with others on

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For chiron being the best in

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Was skill floor

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and Hera was last in that category

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Out of the bow aspects

rapid sandal
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Hypnos is such a.. not very nice person.
not only does he insult you everytime you comeback after losing, but he's also flirting with megaera

plain river
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Hypnos is rlly nice idk what you mean

rapid sandal
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imagine one of your friends flirts with your ex right infront of you

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and the ex that you've been trying to get back with at that

plain river
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I don’t remember when that happened

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But he’s only been cool before and since

rapid sandal
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@plain riveri need a hades mod that removes the internal cooldown on zeus lightning

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just remove it entirely

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all it does is ruin the fun

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when can i find such a thing?

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please dont tell me i have to make it myself ;-;

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the lightning actually hit 5-6 times per special

plain river
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I know for a fact it’s 1-2

rapid sandal
plain river
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Or wait do you mean the actual like visual effects

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Look at the damage numbers bouldy

rapid sandal
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yeah

rapid sandal
plain river
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Also

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Without internal cooldowns on lightning bolts

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Zeus call would attemp to prok as many times as possible a second

rapid sandal
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i will never ever take zeus call anyway

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can i edit the cooldown myself in the game files?

plain river
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Probably

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But zeus is literally like the dps call

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Zeus and dionysus are both the damage calls

rapid sandal
plain river
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Just

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You tried an aspect

rapid sandal
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just because something is slightly stronger than regular builds doesnt mean its the go-to

plain river
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Didn’t like a build for it

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And have completely decided against anything meta?

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Interesting

rapid sandal
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i wanna do whatever i want

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and win that way

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not win by staying on top of the meta as hard as i can

plain river
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I’m not saying you shouldn’t

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The best way to play is the way you have fun

rapid sandal
plain river
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I like destroying everything

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but I also like mixing things up

rapid sandal
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zeus is my favorite god but the internal cooldowns blow

plain river
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the internal cooldowns make zeus balanced bouldy

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to an extent

rapid sandal
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lets break zeus

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tell me how to edit the internal cooldown value xD

plain river
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I

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Couldn’t tell you

rapid sandal
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jk i'll figure it out myself

plain river
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I don’t even have the game on my computer

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I would rather not try to figure out how to mod my switch

rapid sandal
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why do all the game experts on discord never actually play the game themselves?

plain river
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I do play the game bouldy bouldy bouldy bouldy bouldy bouldy

rapid sandal
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i know a guy in the skul the hero slayer discord server

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his name is das

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he knows everything about the game

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but same story as you

plain river
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Actually I haven’t played in like 2 months I can’t say anything

rapid sandal
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doesnt even play

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ddoesnt even have the game

plain river
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I have it

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Right now

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Just not a pc player

rapid sandal
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yeee im just sayin

plain river
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I play on switch

rapid sandal
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some people they know everything about a game but dont play it themselves

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league of legends is a fine example its full of people like that

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they learn by watching streamers etc but cant actually play (no pc)

plain river
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That was my most recent victory screen

rapid sandal
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but in literally all the roguelikes i play

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you have to fight your dad or mom as the final boss

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from binding of isaac to skul the hero slayer to hades

plain river
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I’m just

rapid sandal
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idk about dead cells but the ending is also smth like that

plain river
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Defending the fact that I did in fact play Hades

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at some point

rapid sandal
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stop xD

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i get it

plain river
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Enough to get 249 clears

rapid sandal
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you played hades

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i see

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i believe you

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i swear i believe you

plain river
rapid sandal
plain river
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I’m literally just becoming an inferior version of Nyaanyaa at this point

rapid sandal
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well.. not pretending
im actually like a newbie now i forgot everything about the game

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all i remember is the fact that the people in this discord server were also worshipping beo back then

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so nothing changed

plain river
rapid sandal
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i dont believe beo is that much better than the other weapons myself

plain river
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not for bugowulf

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but because charged flight used to be +400% base damage

rapid sandal
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i just think the rumors about beo being OP spread across generations in this discord server

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now everyone talks about beo like its the most overpowered weapon ever without ever actually trying it in the first place here

plain river
rapid sandal
plain river
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There is an overwhelming amount of evidence for that

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in video form

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Like stronger then your average aspect strong dusa

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but I do agree it do be a little overrated

rapid sandal
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if you want me to believe it, flipping SHOW ME

plain river
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there are

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So many videos

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So so many

lucid oar
plain river
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and it’s a shield so it performs well at heat

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I will agree beo is a tiny tiny bot overrated

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But not much

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it is just strong

lucid oar
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It’s not even overrated imo

plain river
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Imo

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It’s a little overrated

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like

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The tiniest bit

rapid sandal
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wait

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is bouldy an NPC that you can give infinite nectar to?

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i just saw the speedrunner give nectar to bouldy, how can a speedrunner be a speedrunner if they dont have maxed out intimacy with all the NPC's yet?

plain river
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Yes

plain river
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Randomly 1-10% boost to attack damage or special damage or cast damage or movespeed or damage reduction or obol gain or 2% ambiguity bonus

rapid sandal
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@plain riverwhere can i get mods for the game?

lucid oar
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Nexus mods

plain river
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Idk

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I’m a switch gamer

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I never looked into mods

serene rain
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what is the best mod that adds content ?

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https://www.nexusmods.com/hades/mods/123

Nexus Mods :: Hades
OlympusExtra

OlympusExtra is a fan-made DLC mod which adds new gods, boons, and other additional content to Hades by Supergiant Games. This includes unique effects, gods' curses, duo boons, art, voice lines, and s

vagrant crane
sweet forge
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Beat Hades at long last today through the most unlikely of pairings. Exagryph, the adamant rail which I initially never really thought was amazing because the reload aspect didn't fit in that well in the heat of battle but man, the upgrades you get from it via the Daedalus hammer and pair it with Demeter's gift, man does this thing pack a punch.

vagrant crane
sweet forge
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I'll keep that in mind for the next run though it was exhilarating to slow bosses down with the chill upgrade.

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Especially Hades.

vagrant crane
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if u want chill frost flourish is good on it

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or if u really feel like it mistral dash

sweet forge
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I'm eager to also experiment to see what results I can get with the two other weapons I didn't get to use.

vagrant crane
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what are they?

sweet forge
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The shield and the fists.

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Don't think I've made it past Tartarus with those.

vagrant crane
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Fists r weird

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Shield less so

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Get aphrodite attack on shield

sweet forge
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It took me a while to really gravitate towards Aphrodite's boons and their effect in combat.

vagrant crane
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Yeah

tight basin
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shield is kinda weird unless you get good hammers tbh

vagrant crane
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She has the highest %

tight basin
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or at least a good level on zag shield

sweet forge
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Like, I'm very much an Athena, Ares, Dionysius, Zeus and Demeter kinda guy.

vagrant crane
tight basin
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there's 3 yeah

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cshot, pulv blow, and dashing wallop

vagrant crane
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sudden rush, breaching rush, pulv blow, dashing wallop, and the funny one

tight basin
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the bull rush isn't that great

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unless it's zeus shield then there's a case for it

vagrant crane
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idk i think it’s fine

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primarily because yoi have to do it to block

tight basin
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it has varying damage that caps at 40 lol

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yeah use it to block but i wouldn't care about bull rush damage

vagrant crane
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sudden rush is good tho

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mobility and stuff

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and breaching rush is like if breaching cross was worse

tight basin
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it's alright but i wouldn't call it a good hammer for these purposes

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because it doesnt really help your dps

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it helps with mobility/survivability

vagrant crane
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i mean shield doesn’t necessarily need dps

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it’s a shield

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attrition warfare

tight basin
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most dont like the shield because it has low dps lol

vagrant crane
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yeah it is annoying unmodded

tight basin
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yeah that's why i'm not counting the rush hammers as good

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they're okay

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but dps kinda good yaknow

last dirge
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Beo really is just that strong

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Like I said, even its block is wider

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Shield is just already a very strong aspect

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Maybe not immediately dmg wise but it can get there with a good build.

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And Beo builds the best and easiest and strongest

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It just has another aspect to it. A huge cast and attack burst.

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And you have multiple glitches really that are all free/easy

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Not just the boon glitches. You can load your cast mid-charge, which will release it still, but also give you a Dragon Rush for your next rush.

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So you get 2 empowered rushes per cast load

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That alone is already a nasty attack aspect. Like Minotaur Rush (hammer that gives shields a Power Shot) but good.

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Then there is the cast, and broken cast scaling.

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And everything else. It's just really, a poorly balanced aspect

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It's both the strongest literal shield and highest dmg castpect. Castpects are generally the best.

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Because again, you either have a huge base dmg "weapon", or you just have another dps source than your attacks and specials.

warm snow
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caspects are crazy but i can never get the hang of achilles

last dirge
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Fair.

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Its kinda either very tight, or kinda loose

vagrant crane
last dirge
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I would recommend trying it loose first

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Yeah ik, no bonus cast

vagrant crane
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no

last dirge
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No bonus dmg either?

vagrant crane
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no bonus +100%

last dirge
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Okay

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Still useful

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That aoe is inherently good

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For loose Achilles you're firing off Special more often than once every 4 casts/attacks

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Idk the meta around Achilles really I've just played it lots

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I imagine the meta is a rotation like other aspects

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That can be the tough part because it can be a long rotation. I've tried it and it is harder.

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Shorter with flurry jab builds if you're mostly attacking

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But for cast builds you can get caught casting

vagrant crane
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every 2 dash strikes

last dirge
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Really just grow comfortable using special as movement. Like a pseudo-dash

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Yeah

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That's the attack build rotation with flurry

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Very fast

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Like a lot of it is just growing comfortable with upkeep of the buff, and manipulating your movement at the same time.

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Then it's really fun

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I really like Crush Shot builds on it even if its melee

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Lightning Phalanx will room clear

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The best casts are probably the more lingering ones like Lightning Phalanx, Lightning Shot, beams, Hunting Blades

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Because that's more cast uptime generally, which should take better advantage of your applied buff.

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Those casts are also just good/good with a huge boost

turbid needle
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What do I want for my mirror on Zeus Shield?

vagrant crane
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uhh

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fiery presence

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well

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it's just

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standard mirror setup

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flipped is fiery, fam fav, dark foresight, fated persuasion

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the rest are normal

turbid needle
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that’s the standard setup?

warm snow
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most aspects have the same mirror

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zeus can use ruthless reflex is you're good enough

vagrant crane
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eh

vagrant crane
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high confidence flipped for speedruns

rapid sandal
vagrant crane
unreal ruin
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Anyone else think Zeus is the most useless boon for them too?

vagrant crane
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but this is what you use 99% of the time

vagrant crane
warm snow
rapid sandal
unreal ruin
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It's just that he doesn't do much for me

vagrant crane
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you're not using him right

unreal ruin
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And better options exist quite often imo

unreal ruin
vagrant crane
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well

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best build using zeus is probably just eris

unreal ruin
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In order for me to use him properly?

vagrant crane
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you need static discharge

unreal ruin
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Alr

vagrant crane
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static discharge is fundamentally required for 99% of zeus builds

unreal ruin
#

Learn something new everyday🗿

warm snow
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idk why it took me so long to relize jolted was good

unreal ruin
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I never used Jolted before because I just assumed it was mid

warm snow
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same lol

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but its great

unreal ruin
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I really am learning something new everyday💀

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Imma go on a run with it rn

rapid sandal
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i have no clue why some people here think chiron is the worst bow

vagrant crane
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it is

rapid sandal
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all i see is entire rooms being wiped out instantly

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that bow is terrifying

vagrant crane
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well

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when you literally get all the boons it's like fine

rapid sandal
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im playing on heat 17

vagrant crane
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you'd still be doing more on hera

rapid sandal
vagrant crane
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or zagbow

rapid sandal
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some people said chiron was bad in the community and now everyone thinks chiron is bad

vagrant crane
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no

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it is very clearly bad

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hera has immensely high damage

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rama has high damage and is safe

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zagbow has higher damage too

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chiron needs soooo many boons to even try to compare

rapid sandal
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nearly bought out the entire chiron shop

rapid sandal
vagrant crane
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huh

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it still wasn't good

tight basin
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didn't the buff chiron so it was usable lmao

rapid sandal
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@vagrant craneany idea where i can comission mods?

tight basin
tight basin
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chiron is still fine as an aspect

rapid sandal
tight basin
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it's just very average and doesn't excel at anything other than single target damage

vagrant crane
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it's soooo slow

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cannot stand that animation

rapid sandal
tight basin
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wdym

rapid sandal
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you say all that bad stuff about chiron then say it's ''fine'' as an aspect

vagrant crane
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every aspect in the game is fine

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the only aspect that truly and fundamentally is a piece of trash is gilga

tight basin
rapid sandal
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Rama is fine as an aspect

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but not chiron no

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chiron needs a buff and im willing to comission a mod that lowers the internal cooldown on zeus lightning dramatically to inderictly buff chiron.. and to make pure lightning builds actually strong

vagrant crane
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pure lightning builds are strong

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if you're not using like

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bottom 4 aspect

tight basin
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like it's not a big deal lmao

rapid sandal
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im using one right now

vagrant crane
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well yeah that's a like perfect build

rapid sandal
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its strong as clearing rooms but lacks severely in mowing down bosses thanks to internal cooldowns ruining everything

vagrant crane
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huh

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that would kill bosses fine

rapid sandal
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just once

vagrant crane
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ok?

rapid sandal
#

severely nerfing everything about this build

vagrant crane
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you still havea heroic swift flourish, splitting bolt, and double strike

rapid sandal
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i dont want this anymore, if im gonna have fun playing this game im gonna need that lightning internal cooldown reduced from 0.2 seconds to like, 0.01 seconds

vagrant crane
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that build will put out damage

vagrant crane
rapid sandal
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i just want those bolts to do damage man

keen forge
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I know it's not ideal but I enjoyed trying Poseidon attack and flurry build on Chiron without focusing on special much
So like razor shoals sea storm and the other pos boon that deals bonus damage to bosses

vagrant crane
rapid sandal
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@vagrant cranesorry for screaming at you

tight basin
rapid sandal
vagrant crane
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are you applying like basic build fundamentals

rapid sandal
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they dont even come close to watching these mini thunder bolts shred everything in the room

vagrant crane
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then play eris

tight basin
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zeus shield would sound great or special only rama lmao

vagrant crane
tight basin
vagrant crane
keen forge
tight basin
vagrant crane
tight basin
rapid sandal
vagrant crane
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ratsoclock

tight basin
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rat room moment

rapid sandal
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rat cleaner 3000

vagrant crane
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the real rat cleaner is eris

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or tdash bouldy

rapid sandal
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time for an extreme measures dad fight

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i hope my lightning machine gun can kill him before he kills me

tight basin
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oh is that still the same run

vagrant crane
#

rta suffering

rapid sandal
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he has like, 3 phases right?

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well im screwed

vagrant crane
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this is why we dont take em4 at 17 heat

tight basin
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em4 at 17 is fine

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from what someone else has said, em4 is fine on chiron

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also tbh thunder flourish and splitting bolt is prob more damage than a hangover build lmao

rapid sandal
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i dont know a single build that can kill extreme measures 4 hades easily

tight basin
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beowulf

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clockets eris

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hunting blades achilles

rapid sandal
tight basin
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cluster rockets on eris

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both hammers

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base 400 damage point blank because the cluster damage nerf doesn't apply to rockets

vagrant crane
tight basin
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what

vagrant crane
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u wouldnt believe

tight basin
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wdym "i wouldn't believe"

vagrant crane
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ive had so many ahcilles runs with the funny blades which just sucked against dad

tight basin
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skill issue tbh

vagrant crane
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you need other stuff

tight basin
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also like you're speedrunning

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your definition of "sucking" is subjective

vagrant crane
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ig so

rapid sandal
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i think i understand now
the meta weapons are defined by 2 things in this game.

  1. if it has a large % damage amp on it.
  2. if it can infuse casts into it's attacks.
    Beowulf has both so it's the best weapon in the game
vagrant crane
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ngl the dragon rush is not thaaaat signific ant

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like its a help

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but it is just big numbers

tight basin
#

hestia can clear em4 pretty easily and safely

vagrant crane
#

and rama

tight basin
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rama is good

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yeah

vagrant crane
#

em4 alone hera is probably also good

tight basin
#

chiron is fine tbh as long as you get conc volley and a % based build

vagrant crane
#

yea

tight basin
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although hangover is fine

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ME on fists/sword

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zeus shield is solid

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like, there are many strong builds in the game lmao

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beowulf is just gonna be the easiest, but there are other easy builds

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"meta weapons" aren't really defined by if it's a castpect or not
and ofc if it can massively boost your % for your damage, ofc it's gonna be good

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i feel like anything boosting your damage by a high % is like, universally good for every game lmao

vagrant crane
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eris moment

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achilles moment

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arent those like the only ones that do that

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hades is fake

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talos is fake

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pos is fake

tight basin
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the only exception to that point would be if the % boost is just difficult to get

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like yeah hades spear

vagrant crane
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does anything else give %

tight basin
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talos is just funky but not as difficult

vagrant crane
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zagsword does in a roundabout way ig

tight basin
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pos is fine tbh

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it's not weird to get going

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it's just weird because it's a sword

vagrant crane
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ngl i forgot zagspear had a boost

tight basin
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it's like 25%

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it's pretty negligible lmao

vagrant crane
#

yea

tight basin
#

and also spear throw and recall kinda sucks lmao

#

well specifically recall

rapid sandal
vagrant crane
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well yeah

rapid sandal
#

they instantly dislodge meaning you can instantly do the attack again

vagrant crane
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thats why beo is not hell like hera is

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against bosses

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hera just kills the enemies and then your casts are back ez

tight basin
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like yeah it's a reason but it's not something someone's gonna point out for why beo is strong

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unless youre gonna compare it to hera

tight basin
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so like

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it's fine

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oh maybe not furies

vagrant crane
tight basin
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simply instaphase

rapid sandal
#

what is the highest damaging cast in the game? aphroditie's?

vagrant crane
#

dio

tight basin
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trippy flare pom bug WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

rapid sandal
#

this game's meta frustrates me man
shields are op and the fun weapons are weak xD

tight basin
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i mean fun is subjective

vagrant crane
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beo is fun lol

tight basin
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also like

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you dont have to follow the meta

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just do whatever

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play what you like

rapid sandal
vagrant crane
#

what

tight basin
vagrant crane
#

watch my beautiful vod

tight basin
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like imo eris looks ugly, but i find it fun

vagrant crane
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omg eris is so ugly

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how did they design it

tight basin
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hestia looks kinda boring and plain imo, but it's fun

vagrant crane
#

hestia looks sleek

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and stealthy

tight basin
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i dont like the design of like any of the fists lmao but sometimes i enjoy playing them

tight basin
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like all the other aspects are colorful

vagrant crane
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it's purple

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purple is cool

tight basin
#

hestia is just gray

#

is it purple

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well

rapid sandal
tight basin
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oh it looks nice here actually

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in game i can't see the designs lmao

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okay hestia looks based

vagrant crane
tight basin
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unloaded dragon rush is 50

vagrant crane
#

40

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isnt it

tight basin
#

uh

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oh

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yeah 40

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lmao

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bull rush is 50

vagrant crane
tight basin
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loaded bull rush is 100

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cshot is just 80, loaded is 160

vagrant crane
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cshot is 160 fiery

rapid sandal
vagrant crane
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244?

tight basin
vagrant crane
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cshot with fiery, high confdience, loaded rush, and one family favorites

tight basin
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and loaded cshot

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and yeah mirror stuff

vagrant crane
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idk why i load a cast there lol

rapid sandal
#

man watching shield gameplay makes me sick i freaking hate shields
why in god's name do shields do more damage than actual offensive weapons in this game

tight basin
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and the cast gets added to the damage number as well

tight basin
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other shields gameplay looks more boring

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except zeus^2 tbh

rapid sandal
tight basin
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others exist

vagrant crane
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hestia

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nemesis

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demeter

tight basin
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every aspect has been done

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and has a video

vagrant crane
#

hades video DisappointmentChampion

tight basin
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like 50 heat rama unmodded has a time of 7:30

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unmodded anyHeat is like uh 5:23 or something

vagrant crane
#

504

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525 rama

tight basin
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what's 504

vagrant crane
#

drk

tight basin
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oh yeah

vagrant crane
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lol

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it was like 3 days ago

tight basin
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i was specifically talking about rama tho

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and i wanted to mention something that wasn't beo, hera, eris, or achilles lmao

vagrant crane
#

525 then

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i think

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no

#

526

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ocaml

tight basin
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yeah 5:26

tight basin
#

what worked

rapid sandal
#

what is WRONG with discord

rapid sandal
# tight basin what worked

i edited the internal cooldown of zeus lightning on thunder flourish from 0.2 seconds down to 0.01 seconds

tight basin
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oh cool

rapid sandal
#

now every single little bolt from chiron procs it

tight basin
#

messed with the coding or something i assume?

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i heard it's really easy to do once you know what you're looking for

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not really easy i guess, but like just change the number once you get it lmao

rapid sandal
tight basin
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lmao nice

rapid sandal
#

secondary stands for special

tight basin
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AffectsSelf = false is hilarious to me lmao

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change it to true and see what happens

rapid sandal
tight basin
tight basin
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would be funny

rapid sandal
tight basin
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well i mean in regards to the internal cooldown

rapid sandal
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if you change zeus call internal cooldown to 0.00 the game crashes

tight basin
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oh that's based

rapid sandal
#

when you use it

tight basin
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instant crash button

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"man this run is bad" crashes game

rapid sandal
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hell, it can even rival BEOWULF with a good lightning build going xD

tight basin
#

tbh there's other ways to scale damage lmao

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it's better for sure and probably more heat resistant

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idk how well it'd do for speedrunning tho but at least it's probably better for heat

rapid sandal
#

well now my game is practically modded

tight basin
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yeah lmao

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not leaderboard legal ofc

rapid sandal
#

thats what im saying

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i dont care about speedrunning or leaderboards i just wanna watch chiron go hardlight

tight basin
#

lightning goes brrr

vagrant crane
#

ngl probably slower than beo

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beo instakills everything too and has aoe

tight basin
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yeah i figured it'd be slower simply because it doesn't have as much aoe

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and like the special animation is still slow, but it does have pretty good damage now

vagrant crane
#

yeah

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although

tight basin
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8 arrows, 30 damage bolts?

vagrant crane
#

zeus is like

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39 at rare

tight basin
#

240 base

vagrant crane
#

which is tbh not much

tight basin
#

well it's hitting 8 times

vagrant crane
#

yeah 240 is not much

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that’s base cshot fiery etc etc

tight basin
#

i mean it's still a lot

rapid sandal
#

@tight basin@vagrant cranei wanted to buff chiron, not straight-up break the game and make it unfun

tight basin
#

yeah ik lmao

vagrant crane
#

i mean

tight basin
#

i'm saying it has good damage bouldy

vagrant crane
#

the better buff is using a different special SogChamp

tight basin
#

just like not speedrun potential but it's pretty strong

vagrant crane
#

relentless conc does like 320 base

tight basin
#

that seems a bit high

vagrant crane
#

conc does like 160

tight basin
#

oh relentless conc nvm yeah that's accurate

vagrant crane
#

yeah

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% special kinda gud

tight basin
#

relentless common zeus flourish would be what 12 * 30?

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that's 360 isnt it

rapid sandal
vagrant crane
#

how did you flip so fast

rapid sandal
#

no matter what you build on him

vagrant crane
#

literally a few hours ago you were like “chiron is the best bow”

rapid sandal
#

lots of people tried to make chiron seem better on reddit but its all in vain

vagrant crane
#

i feel like you should sorta just play more normally so your opinions are more influenced by your actual experience rather than what people say

#

it’s better to see why than to be told why

tight basin
rapid sandal
vagrant crane
#

back when i was new i thought you could just walk through on 32 heat with hestia dc1 and play it like eris for some time

rapid sandal
#

yeah

vagrant crane
#

people told me you couldn’t

#

but i didn’t actually understand why until i tried myself

rapid sandal
#

anyway im happy now

vagrant crane
#

i’d just like

tight basin
rapid sandal
#

chiron is strong xD

vagrant crane
#

try playing hera

tight basin
#

reddit loves chiron and chaos lmao

vagrant crane
#

oh yeah don’t ever trust a redditor

#

i’ve had redditors argue that you can get duos in trials

#

redditors argue that chaos is the best aspect and way better than zagshield

rapid sandal
vagrant crane
#

i’ve seen redditors recommend going for sea storm as a good build

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reddit is entirely untrustworthy

rapid sandal
vagrant crane
#

i mean youtube it just depends what you’re watching

rapid sandal
#

because youtubers like jawless paul also say chiron is S tier

vagrant crane
#

haelian tier list is a bane on this discord

tight basin
#

on reddit, they just go off with whatever they've done

#

and like tbf

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that's understandable

#

but that doesn't make it trustworthy

#

sure someone on reddit has had success with thunder flare on beo, but that doesn't make it good lmao

vagrant crane
#

icy flare AngrySog

tight basin
#

i haven't seen that one yet

rapid sandal
#

isnt that why casts are OP?

#

the devs buffed things that people werent using like, at all

vagrant crane
#

no

tight basin
#

iirc beo was like the last released so it had the least amount of data

vagrant crane
#

that’s why it is bugowolfw

tight basin
#

yeah

#

and also why gilga isn't great

vagrant crane
#

but like it still is strong and i don’t think it got buffed

tight basin
#

but also hera was a thing back then

#

wasn't it

vagrant crane
#

nyaanyaa wrote reportedly a long and detailed report about how melee sucks on em4

#

which then was ignored DisappointmentChampion

rapid sandal
#

it just looks cool

tight basin
#

if you ignored all the damage numbers it's not bad in theory imo

#

but the damage numbers kinda wack lmao

vagrant crane
#

the dash strikes are so bad

rapid sandal
#

it looks like a weapon that would actually do big damage, unlike mr. towershield bugowulf

tight basin
#

oh yeah that too i guess

vagrant crane
#

can’t even kill a numbskull

rapid sandal
#

honest opinion guys, i hate beo

#

i just hate it

vagrant crane
#

ok

rapid sandal
#

i dont like it i dont like anything about it

vagrant crane
#

have you actually played it

tight basin
#

you can also just not play it lmao

vagrant crane
#

you’re right though piece of trash aspect

#

literally worst wep in the game

#

everybody knows this

rapid sandal
#

i dont like the fact that the best weapon in the game is a freaking tower shield

#

hate me all you want i dont care

vagrant crane
#

the best wep on the game is HESTIA🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱

tight basin
#

nice flag

vagrant crane
#

this isn’t reddit lol

tight basin
#

i have said before just play what you want lmao

#

do whatever

vagrant crane
#

which amounts to playing HESTIA

tight basin
#

i dont think anyone here has given you hate for anything so far lmao

vagrant crane
#

💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪

rapid sandal
vagrant crane
#

well yeah

#

it needs boons lol

tight basin
#

non-hestia rail on skelly sucks

vagrant crane
#

yeah

rapid sandal
vagrant crane
#

idk it’s pretty fun to nuke everything

#

if you’ve literally only played against skely

#

that’s not like a representation of playing the aspect

rapid sandal
#

i KNOW beowulf is OP

#

thats why i hate it

#

i want a fun weapon to be op not a tank item

vagrant crane
#

wdym tank item

rapid sandal
#

like a heavy chainmail

tight basin
#

dont play shield defensively then i guess

#

if it makes you feel better, beo has a bug where when the flares are popping you dont get iframes lmao

vagrant crane
#

i think a lot of these issues would be resolved by actually playing the aspect

rapid sandal
#

in this game shields are used to nuke everything which doesnt make much sense tbh with yall

tight basin
#

"shields" isn't accurate

#

it's just "beowulf"

vagrant crane
#

yeah

#

the others are just cshot spam

rapid sandal
#

but who cares about logic its a fantasy game

tight basin
#

i mean sure but also like then say "beowulf" don't generalize it to "shields" lmao

rapid sandal
#

a towershield like beowulf can literally outdamage a fully automatic machinegun like eris

vagrant crane
#

zagreus literally doesn’t know what these words mean

tight basin
vagrant crane
#

he took guan yu and threw it dawg