Optimal for pretty much every weapon
#h1-builds-and-combat
tight basin
you only take artemis on the attack if you have good chaos juice
a good lunge or strike bonus or something
and also twin/triple shot probably
plain river
Looks
solar siren
yeah I guess it does look cool
I feel like they just wanted to make a purposefully terrible aspect
and the result was Gilgamesh
tight basin
just one
maim is a global damage boost and if you get explosive upper, you can maim both heroes and get a fat meg off
tight basin
lmao yeah it's rough
bold echo
Anyone here have a good non cast build for Achilles?
tight basin
if you want funny big number, artemis/aphrodite attack and hunters dash can be fun
tidal dash is also good, but buffing the dash strike for bigger number is fun
it'll work a lot better if you get the flurry jab hammer, but serrated is also good
i would take flurry over the other but would not take both
earnest helm
are the fists good
vagrant crane
sur
bold echo
tidal dash is also good, but buffing the dash strike for bigger number is fun
Alright awesome that's what I was thinking of doing
tight basin
all the weapons are viable and good in their own way
vagrant crane
except gilga
tight basin
lmao
tight basin
as long as you build it good, then it'll be a good weapon
vagrant crane
"""good"""
tight basin
I like gilga
shorter dashes, longer dash cooldowns, maim kinda eh, dash strikes are slower and deal pretty sad damage
earnest helm
except gilga
aww
tight basin
"""good"""
dash only gilga is very good
opaque hollow
Ah ok
vagrant crane
cant dash strikes not kill numbskulls
earnest helm
so it was super super underwhelming
vagrant crane
literally trolling
tight basin
it can't kill something but idr what
prob numbskull but like fiery presence and high confidence should be good enough to kill it
if not then like some amount of family favs should work
if not then that's sad lmao
earnest helm
thousand year question
can you kill skelly
does depleting his HP count has killing him
earnest helm
i knew it, bruh lol i started an arguement
tight basin
why
vagrant crane
you must kill him with the fully empowered version of the weapon that started it all
and the terms of his contract shall finally be released, and he will lay to rest
earnest helm
can you tell charon to stop hiring him and then kill him when he doesn't realise that he can't respawn anymore
tight basin
no
earnest helm
aww man
vagrant crane
what do you got against skelly
earnest helm
what do you got against skelly
he's a skelly
opaque hollow
and the terms of his contract shall finally be released, and he will lay to rest
đź’€
||I wasted 5 titans blood i was so pissed||
earnest helm
đź’€
start a new save ;D
you will un-waste all your titans blood
follow me for more unhelpful tips
opaque hollow
start a new save ;D
I mean i would just so i could re spend my titans blood but doing everything else again is a pain and i would much rather just grind out each heat
simple ginkgo
Okay so, I'm debating between pushing 32 heat with either Hestia or Achilles
Im assuming Hestia would be the easier choice?
tight basin
achilles could be easy if you use meme beams but you might not get good rng
and might run out of time? idk how good it does on time
tight basin
Okay so, I'm debating between pushing 32 heat with either Hestia or Achilles
do make sure you're using a good pact tho lol
there's a pact pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies if you want to look at that
vagrant crane
HL5 FO2 TD2
vagrant crane
that was my first 32 lmfao
simple ginkgo
there's a pact pinned in <#725021448426749993> if you want to look at that
Oh my god, thank you so much for this. I was wondering what would be good for pacts
vagrant crane
so like
why is serrated+flurry bad for speedruns
isn't it just
superDPS
or does the serrated use up all of your raging rush
simple ginkgo
Time to practice with Hestia I guess lol
tight basin
or does the serrated use up all of your raging rush
probably
shorter dashes kinda suck
and also survivability will be gone lol
tight basin
there was a reasoning for it but i forgot lol
uncut oar
Can you theoretically grab a shield and perfectly block all of hades's attacks without moving for the whole fight?
tight basin
yes
but hades is kinda weird
when he does his spin attacks, he kinda pushes into you
so he can hit through the shield if he's close enough
or something like that
you can turtle in a corner but you might get hit
theoretically tho
you can block them all
uncut oar
Just send out the rush when he spins
tight basin
yeah that can work
opaque hollow
Probably, but it would take ages
tight basin
with a good vengeful mood set and lightning rod it'll take less time
opaque hollow
Ah fair
opaque hollow
good
opaque hollow
yeah fair
edgy jungle
is there anything you can do to influence what boons you get besides fated dice and keepsakes?
wanted to try a merciful end build, took athena keepsake, got her first room in tartarus, never saw her again until styx
somehow I did get the duo though
tight basin
there's not much you can do about that lol
edgy jungle
rip
tight basin
seeing a god only once through the whole run can happen
doesn't happen often tho but it does happen
edgy jungle
chaos and daedalus had my back though, double dash strike and +100% dash strike damage carried the run
nice thing about this game is you can always do another run
tight basin
yeah lmao
drowsy saddle
wanted to try a merciful end build, took athena keepsake, got her first room in ...
To minimize odds of this fill up your god pool with some support gods that don’t open up any duos other than ME I think
plain river
Fill up your pool and fill up your cores
Getting priority cores and status effects out of the way increases your odds for duos and legendaries
edgy jungle
the game prioritizes filling the god pool? I'd heard about core boons being prioritized but merciful end is kind of sticky with core boons
plain river
the game prioritizes filling the god pool? I'd heard about core boons being prio...
If you have an unfilled god pool then you have twice as many gods for the game to choose from when it shows a boon
Strike, flourish, cast and dash are prioritised, and so are status effect boons like static discharge and razor shoals
cunning urchin
To be precise, if you have 4+ gods (not counting Lord Hermes and Master Chaos) already in your pool, you'll only see boons from those 4+ gods.
edgy jungle
so it's not so much priority in the god pool case, it's just entirely random and you close half the bag once it's full
cunning urchin
As for priority slots...
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
edgy jungle
oh so 6-8 are the rarity and then 9 is what gets that rarity
plain river
so it decides the top boon option is an epic boon before it decides that the top boon is rush delivery
cunning urchin
Nah. 
plain river
What
vagrant crane
wouldnt herm get a different thing
plain river
uhhh
Oh wait nevermind
I misunderstood
9 is adding legendaries, duos or exchanges if there aren’t enough regular boons left over right
cunning urchin
Step 9 means that if there aren't enough epic/rare/common boons to fill the remaining slots, then they're filled with "whatever is available", which is exchanges and legendary/duo if you happen to meet the requirements.
vagrant crane
"whatever is available" is after priority, , excahnge, curses,
plain river
W
I understood before nyaanyaa finished correcting me
that’s a win
I take those
cunning urchin
Apparently I am never done correcting you; there's always more correcting to be done.
cunning urchin
I think step 9 is filling remaining slots with possible exchanges first, and then technically step 10 is filling the rest with duo/legendary.
plain river
That would make sense
Well
If if filled possible exchanges first wouldn’t it always just fill up with exchanges
oh no there wouldn’t
Not if you already had all their priority boons
or even just 2 of them
drowsy ravine
i cant be the only one who holds the opinion that aspect of chiron can literally do anything
opaque hollow
No thats widely accepted
vagrant crane
i cant be the only one who holds the opinion that aspect of chiron can literally...
Except kill enemies with health
vagrant crane
No thats widely accepted
Where
tight basin
i cant be the only one who holds the opinion that aspect of chiron can literally...
chiron's good for casual play but falls off on the extremes for speedrunning and heat
drowsy ravine
Yeah i mean it is very flexible
vagrant crane
It can do like two builds
plain river
It has 2 builds
drowsy ravine
You can do a lot of different kinds of builds
vagrant crane
Hangover and %
plain river
You can do a lot of different kinds of builds
As well as any other weapon can do different builds
drowsy ravine
I did a dire misfortune
drowsy ravine
It was pretty cool
vagrant crane
dire misfortune isn’t that good a boon
tight basin
it's funny on chiron
drowsy ravine
Dire + impending
vagrant crane
and bad zagbow
drowsy ravine
I did it with curse of longing
plain river
It’s flexible in the same sense that any other weapon is flexible
You can put whatever the heck on what for any weapon and have success
drowsy ravine
So it scaled up over time
vagrant crane
col is also like not that good
tight basin
isn't CoL useless because you want to reapply doom asap
vagrant crane
yeah
plain river
yeah
vagrant crane
i wonder
vagrant crane
would chiron flurry shot ME work
tight basin
but... you reapply doom anyways afterwards so CoL doesn't get any value
vagrant crane
itd be flat worse than any other MEspect
vagrant crane
if you are always applying doom col does literally nothing
tight basin
but CoL isn't doing anything here i dont think
plain river
well
If your col 50% is higher then the reapplied doom
Idk if it gets overridden
But also
The enemy should be dead before curse of longing matters
drowsy ravine
if you are always applying doom col does literally nothing
I believe with dire misfortune you can keep increasing the damage until they run out of weak, and if they always have weak, it can scale really high
plain river
But the thing is
vagrant crane
if your special applies doom it wont
plain river
I’m fairly certain that
Your doom hitting them after the doom drops
Overrides the curse of longing doom damage
Could be wrong about that but I’m fairly certain
vagrant crane
it does
else it would be an actually good duo
because the limit of that is doubling your doom damage
tight basin
idk about good but it'd be a decent pick
vagrant crane
its a free 2nd impending
tight basin
ME would be better but there could be funny stuff like CoL passion beo lol
vagrant crane
that scales multiplicatively
plain river
just keeps going up and up
tight basin
ngl i'm totally lost now
plain river
Math
tight basin
the tldr is just CoL isn't good
plain river
If curse of longing was good, but it doesn’t work that way, and isn’t
last dirge
It's too bad they dont want to revisit Hades 1. Have any modders tried to revamp all the bad/unworking duos and stuff?
tight basin
iirc pony did a mod that rebalanced a few things, but didn't touch duos
cunning urchin
The purpose of that mod is to allow players to relabance things on their own, the changes that are implented from the start are just like... ideas/suggestions basically.
last dirge
Neat
What sort of run should I do. Should I just go for whatever weapon glows.
I kind of want to try to force a blade dash gilgamesh run but thats not easy to get
Like especially not for outcomes unless you get literally everything including hyperrush
Hyperrush makes everything ridiculous though
Spoilers are allowed here
It's not new player chat
last dirge
Np
opaque hollow
go ahead
earnest helm
should I eat a cow and then complain about its taste
vagrant crane
ok
zealous brook
i have 3 duo boons to select right now
deadly reversal, ME and parting shot
my build is right now
divine strike,curse of pain,true shot,hunters dash with apro AID as call
weapon
Aspect of Nem
which one should i go?
hunters dash with DR is really good ppl say
plain river
Parting shot does nothing for you
Merciful End would be good if it was curse of agony -> divine flourish -> divine dash, but here not really
I’d take deadly reversal
zealous brook
okay
zealous brook
Merciful End would be good if it was curse of agony -> divine flourish -> divine...
will remember this if i go in that order for ME
plain river
You need either divine strike or flourish to find Merciful End, which is why divine flourish gets picked up
plain river
Well
Seeing as you have divine strike
and hunter dash
divine dash would just be worse off here
zealous brook
ohh
plain river
Your strike is already deflecting, and hunter dash is giving a damage boost to multiply through crits
plain river
bigger crit
Divine dash in this case useless because your strike is already deflecting
For purposes of triggering deadly reversal anyways
plain river
no
zealous brook
ohh
plain river
it’s the fact that you have divine strike already
zealous brook
i see no need for 2 deflects
plain river
and that you have hunter dash as well
zealous brook
if i have primary deflect in my strike
plain river
Fair choice
zealous brook
yeah i didnt go the way i wanted
cunning urchin
I wrote a Nemesis guide here if you're interested: #h1-for-new-players message
zealous brook
whenever i try to do random boon from start i get ME always
plain river
I would suggest using god keepsakes to get builds going the way you want them to
zealous brook
I wrote a Nemesis guide here if you're interested: https://discord.com/channels/...
will definitely read this after my run
zealous brook
I would suggest using god keepsakes to get builds going the way you want them to
i do use that
cunning urchin
As a general rule of thumb, avoid taking boons that open up Duo Boons you don't want.
zealous brook
but in different order like art,ares and athena or apro,ares,athena and then art if i get a chance
cunning urchin
Especially if your build relies on a particular Duo Boon.
zealous brook
As a general rule of thumb, avoid taking boons that open up Duo Boons you don't ...
this is my 1st time getting all duo boons for selection tbh
plain river
it’s not especially common
zealous brook
yeah i get there are chances of getting them too
cunning urchin
Usually you only wanna force two gods in Tartarus and Asphodel, then just go for Hourglass or Acorn in Elysium and then Acorn in Styx.
plain river
All I want for christmas is heroic killing freeze 
cunning urchin
Kinda early for Christmas presents.
cunning urchin
Not just in the "it's only March" sense, but also in the "Hades probably takes place before Christ was (allegedly) born" sense.
plain river
True, Christ was probably born after 7:48
plain river
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523774570394681344/979424462074167376/flu...
I keep trying but the game refuses to give me purple swift strike before eury
sidenote: gotta love that swift strike pom scaling
drowsy saddle
wait is that heroic swift flurry and wave
that looks very entertaining
when i get my hands on hypermodded this is one of the things i might do
plain river
wait is that heroic swift flurry and wave
Yeah
I’ve had common swift flurry and wave and given how swift strike works I can definitely see it getting up to that
vagrant crane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523774570394681344/979424462074167376/flu...
less dps than hestia
tight basin
but this is more fun
last dirge
Sometimes you can push beyond the duo you want. RNG tip: if you havent noticed, if you are trying to get say, Mirage Shot, and your first boon with Conch is an epic Tempest Strike or something, and you don't want to reroll or settle for a common cast, you can swap your keepsake and unless some stuff changes (like heat and your mirror, or aspect), you can get an epic Deadly Strike instead and go for Mirage Shot that way.
A little delayed but the boons on some runs are really bad ime
Sometimes you just have to kill yourself in game or work around it
vagrant crane
real 1erf hours
last dirge
What's that acronym
vagrant crane
it's the buttons you press to quick reset
last dirge
On PC?
last dirge
That's a nice feature to have. Resets on switch suck
Not hades but the reset for isaac is holding down basically every button for 1 second
vagrant crane
common cast is fine though
cunning urchin
Sometimes you can push beyond the duo you want. RNG tip: if you havent noticed, ...
I don't know if I agree with any of that.
last dirge
Sometimes you want bigger dmg though
vagrant crane
also yeah
cunning urchin
By which I mean I don't.
last dirge
That's fair for pushing heat and such
vagrant crane
on beo you kind of need either the big area of the flood or the passion dmg
last dirge
Not every run is going for that
vagrant crane
or cshot start which is nice
last dirge
People come in here just looking for their first win too
lucid oar
epic deadly strike is really not that much better than common
lucid oar
and common cast is fine to take early
last dirge
Yeah
cunning urchin
People come in here just looking for their first win too
So?
last dirge
Bad example. Just the first one I could think of.
cunning urchin
You're saying that like I don't spend more time coaching people on their first wins than playing the game myself.
last dirge
I know you do lol
I'm just saying you can also just play casually and not go for a slim boon count
And go for more than less
cunning urchin
Oh, you were trying to say to quit out and swap keepsakes. I suppose you can do that, but the example of a Cast build was a bit poorly chosen lol.
Anyway, I'd rather teach new players how to make seemingly bad starts work anyway.
last dirge
Yeah bad example. I'm just trying to give advice on basic rng manipulation. Just explaining that you can do minor "routing" on your first boon if you really want to start with something strong.
You can also break vases in the first room before picking up the boon. Its really not an exact science unless you're really good though.
I just personally like going for very specific stuff and I know sometimes others do too. Some fun builds have 2 duos. You do want to avoid picking up useless stuff that opens up duos before you get the central one, though
Which is why I mentioned Mirage Shot. Usually you go for that first.
And if you get it early, why not go for another duo if you're just having fun.
Ive probably just had a maxed mirror for too long. It's a lot harder with an early mirror.
edgy jungle
You can also break vases in the first room before picking up the boon. Its reall...
this only affects fated persuasion rerolls I think, not the initial boon choices in the first room
plain river
Sounds accurate
earnest helm
what's the best Doom Stack build
soft shoal
What's the most consistent no-reset speedrun aspect?
tight basin
hera or passion beo
those only need like 2 boons and you're set
or hangover builds like drunk fists, chiron, eris
normal lightning strike eris is probably pretty consistent
hestia
soft shoal
what's the second boon?
tight basin
hera wants snow burst, so does passion beo but if you dont get it you can cope with frost strike or god forbid mistral dash
passion beo wants any of those for pstatus, hera doesn't use pstatus
although noncshot beo can be kinda sad but that might just be speedrunner brain
zeus shield can is pretty consistent, but can be a little sad if you dont get jolted
soft shoal
I see
tight basin
oh wait this is for speedrunning tho
soft shoal
so a lot are like almost consistent
soft shoal
not aiming for records or anything
just want to be consistently faster
(darkness farm)
tight basin
if you want to use beo, i'd just do the typical flood flare beo
it's still decently strong enough without mirage
although not having cshot drops your speed
soft shoal
yeah I play vanilla
tight basin
if you dont like hera or can't aim like me, zag bow is also kinda fast
soft shoal
if I don't like beo then hera?
soft shoal
hera is just aphro then dem?
earnest helm
can you speedrun with chiron
tight basin
hera is just aphro then dem?
yeah
earnest helm
some are just better than others
how good is chiron then
tight basin
if you happen to see artemis and poseidon on the way, you pick them up for mirage shot
but it's like a fun bonus, you dont have to actually get it
tight basin
how good is chiron then
very average
earnest helm
very average
ok
tight basin
casual player friendly
safe, decent damage
falls off for speed and heat, but a casual player isnt gonna aim for like a sub8 and 45+ heat on chiron
at that point idk if i'd consider the player a casual player lmao
earnest helm
at that point idk if i'd consider the player a casual player lmao
"I beat heat 45!1!!! on a Chiron!1!!! i am CaSuaAL I SweR"
-my sister basically
i mean she did beat hades in 3 tries with no gaming experience whatsoever, her learning curve is insane
tight basin
tbf if you're good enough on chiron, 45 heat shouldnt be too hard? idrk
i almost beat 40 with it but then my laptop started to not have a good time and i died lol
and i didn't really use chiron that much, i just thought it'd be fun for 40
on the other hand tho i'd say sub8 chiron is much more challenging lol
earnest helm
on the other hand tho i'd say sub8 chiron is much more challenging lol
wah
tight basin
chiron is just a naturally slower aspect
it's a 2 button combo, and the special has a long animation
the power shot is fast enough which is fine, the special takes a while
and it's only single target
stuff like hestia can get away with being a mostly single target aspect because 1) the special has large aoe 2) the reload and shoot combo is much faster damage output than chiron
also if you dont get concentrated volley your dps kinda sucks lol
granted you can get dio special, but idk how fast that's gonna be
cunning urchin
also if you dont get concentrated volley your dps kinda sucks lol
Need Concentrated + Relentless. 
earnest helm
granted you can get dio special, but idk how fast that's gonna be
got 88 hangovre damage
that 176 dps
pretty decent ngl
earnest helm
still single target damage
fair
tight basin
also how many poms did you put on that thing tho lmao
earnest helm
also how many poms did you put on that thing tho lmao
not much ngl
tight basin
was it dio call
earnest helm
was it dio call
nah normal shot
earnest helm
88 is way too stupid high
not enough to kill Hades (skill issue)
earnest helm
what about doomstack
tight basin
at level 60, dio flourish isn't even 70 lmfao
earnest helm
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1083633078704017448...
aint this for each individual stack
earnest helm
can work if you have mechanical skill
?
tight basin
meme builds generally need more mechanic skill to cover how bad of a build it is
or like, patience
earnest helm
meme builds generally need more mechanic skill to cover how bad of a build it is
lol sure
cunning urchin
Only need 11 base Hangover damage to get 88 with Low Tolerance. And that's before Privileged Status or anything else.
earnest helm
Only need 11 base Hangover damage to get 88 with Low Tolerance. And that's befor...
i had priv
@tight basin
uh
here
tight basin
oh you were talking about like the damage number above enemies
earnest helm
oh you were talking about like the damage number above enemies
yep
tight basin
i dont really pay attention to those, it's a lot easier to look at the number in the boon info menu
earnest helm
if you weren't talking bout that idk what u talking abiut lol
earnest helm
i dont really pay attention to those, it's a lot easier to look at the number in...
oh
vagrant crane
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1083633078704017448...
how did you make it big levle
tight basin
add number after
earnest helm
how did you make it big levle
easy, just use around 30 poms
earnest helm
so h!ps dionysus flourish 100
how do you change that
tight basin
prob remove bracket
earnest helm
what do you type it in
tight basin
it's a bot separate from the server
vagrant crane
just the number
earnest helm
how do i beat hadeass
vagrant crane
kill
tight basin
learn the fight more by just doing it more
if you bang your head on it enough times you'll get it
also having a good build helps tho
earnest helm
if you bang your head on it enough times you'll get it
bro has a second stage
help
i have my last21 hp
tight basin
i mean
idk it's hard to help specifically
at this point it seems like a death lol
take the death as a learning lesson, get better at the fight
uncut oar
Really just hit them with the "git gud"
plain river
Really just hit them with the "git gud"
Sometimes that’s just how it be
tight basin
Really just hit them with the "git gud"
kinda hard to get someone through a fight when they have 21 hp left
and it seems like they just started phase 2 lmao
the only hit they're gonna survive (assuming no massive damage reduction stuff) is a skull wave
tight basin
well my first response was 3 minutes later
idk if they survived those 3 minutes but i doubt they did lmao
if they did well i wasn't useful anyways
uncut oar
I like how the first time i got to phase 3 of em hades was the same way i died to phase 2 of normal hades
Didnt see it coming and got taken by the phase transition wave
last dirge
If you struggle with Hades just upgrade your mirror more
Start with stuff like extra hp, death defiances, dashes
It's a roguelike. A lot of the time it is literally a skill issue because these are specific skill testing games
Or roguelite. I dont care.
You have to learn the entire game kinda
You need to be good with all enemies and most/all minibosses and all bosses.
Then you need to know how to build properly and how to get a good build going
cunning urchin
@opaque hollow like this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1019DSLlyHwg7_oIiN3Il-NUYdHEbl783G7ZvstFSCD4/edit
cunning urchin
And practice practice practice. 
tight basin
your dps should be fine as long as you're taking like aphrodite atk and aphrodite/artemis special
and pom aphrodite atk/special up when you can
soft shoal
how viable is just using shackle?
cunning urchin
Also wouldn't underestimate the skill ceiling. Pretty sure the best Hestia players have a much faster rotation than the average Hestia player.
soft shoal
it seems pretty good when I go boonless
cunning urchin
Shackle is good on Hestia, but for speed you'd wanna start Tidal Dash anyway.
For quick Tartarus and also helps with Styx later (you'll want Breaking Wave for that).
vagrant crane
it seems pretty good when I go boonless
not sure what else you’d take boonless lmfao
but shackle is very good
half the time on hestia runs i just take shackle to the end bc rng rarity is unkind
ideally you find epic aph atk
or chaos atk if you have at least 100% from chaos
i mean
arty atk
soft shoal
not sure what else you’d take boonless lmfao
yeah but I mean it seems good enough to run in a boon run
cunning urchin
Conch Shell > Shackle/god 2 > Hourglass/Acorn > Acorn/Sigil is good for speed.
soft shoal
does chaos disable shackle?
cunning urchin
No.
vagrant crane
no
dad call is less effective on hestia
and bc hestia is hestia acorn can literally just keep hc on thru the whole fight
into aspho generally you’ll only force a god if you have an atk you’re comfortable keeping and in that case you force arty
i think the threshold is like 70%ish
but that can be cope bc you need 133 to be hitting aspho breakpoints
but really
anything works on hestia
because hestia is THE BEST ASPECT IN THE GAMEđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Şđź’Ş
cunning urchin
but that can be cope bc you need 133 to be hitting aspho breakpoints
Meanwhile Hera hitting breakpoints without a sweat. 
vagrant crane
Hera vs multiple enemies against each of which 2 stones are needed:
cunning urchin
I mean just hit both with one shot.
vagrant crane
when they are on opposite sides of the room:
cunning urchin
Shoot one, pick up bloodstones immediately, shoot the other.
Meanwhile Hestia still reloading.
cunning urchin
Sounds like somebody's trying to cope because your favorite aspect isn't as fast mine.
vagrant crane
Hestia is not just my favorite aspect it is the fastest and best at heat
opaque hollow
Good hestia players are faster than hera
vagrant crane
also rocket can shoot both at the same time
vagrant crane
Good hestia players are faster than hera
lolwut
opaque hollow
Im tired i accidentaly put hestia twice leave me alone
vagrant crane
well i mean
it is probably more mechanically demanding
but like
where hestia sub5
cunning urchin
Hera is just faster and more consistent. 
vagrant crane
i mean
hestia is naturally faster by virtue of being imbued with the power of the hearth
but also it kinda does need clockets and RD
cunning urchin
hestia is naturally faster by virtue of being imbued with the power of the heart...
jazz — Today at 11:11 AM
lolwut
vagrant crane
Lady Hestia give me strength
cunning urchin
So you're praying to Lady Hestia instead of Lady Aphrodite now?
tight basin
Good hestia players are faster than hera
good hera players are faster than hestia players lol
vagrant crane
So you're praying to Lady Hestia instead of Lady Aphrodite now?
One may go to two temples
cunning urchin
One may go to two temples
vagrant crane
cunning urchin
<:zagcry:1012805268519780352>
If you want to atone, prove your worth with a Disciple of Aphrodite run.
opaque hollow
https://i.imgur.com/W5NAKRF.jpg
Man went for the asterix refrence
vagrant crane
?
opaque hollow
A series of comics made by 2 french guys, goscinny and uderzo
proven osprey
You don't know ma boi Astérix?
opaque hollow
Cant rember their first names
cunning urchin
Calling me a man when we literally have pronoun roles. Looks like my sacred crocodiles are eating good today.
cunning urchin
@zealous brook swapping Olympian Favor to Dark Foresight and Fated Authority to Fated Persuasion will make your builds way stronger. Artemis' Aid is usually not worth picking up unless you're willing to upgrade it to at least Lv.3. And as for the pact, CP2 and DC2 are two of the worst pacts you can take on sword.
zealous brook
<@213352261978554370> swapping Olympian Favor to Dark Foresight and Fated Author...
i see , what exactly is CP2 and DC2? here
okay will change the Favor
cunning urchin
Calisthenics Program 2 and Damage Control 2.
We just use initialisms for the pacts.
zealous brook
ik i tried the other kinda felt hardd but i got used to with the CP2 and DC2
cunning urchin
Well, looking at your clear time even when you had CP2 and DC2, you can very easily take TD3.
So that and then probably EM1 > EM2.
zealous brook
Okay
grand ruin
I know all boons can be situationally useful, but what boons have the fewest useful situations? It's probably also whether they're up against something actually better too, I'm sure. I just think there've got to be some boons that people have almost never taken.
lucid oar
Peer pressure
languid hornet
Freezing vortex, only took it once for the prophecy cause hunting blades >> freezing vortex and they're incompatible
drowsy saddle
what the hell is peer pressure
plain river
Dio boon
Spreads hangover stacks but is bad because it overrides your hangover damage
grand ruin
the question occurred to me because I've been finishing out my boon prophecies and have seen some boons I have absolutely no interest in trying to grab again. Freezing vortex was definitely one.
drowsy saddle
I know all boons can be situationally useful, but what boons have the fewest use...
icy flare and thunder flare
grand ruin
icy flare and thunder flare
what are those? I don't remember seeing them. Apollo/mod?
plain river
what are those? I don't remember seeing them. Apollo/mod?
Beowulf casts are flares
grand ruin
ah! I just failed my first run with beowulf and didn't pay attention to that
wary adder
what are those? I don't remember seeing them. Apollo/mod?
demeter and zeus cast for beowulf
casts are called "flare"s instead of "shot" on beowulf probably because they behave a little differently
plain river
to do like a lot more
Only if it’s the first stack
vagrant crane
well yeah it overrides
plain river
no like
If it’s the first stack on the enemy it does like 8* to regular enemies
And 2* to bosses
If Peer Pressure applies hangover to an enemy that does not have any stacks of hangover, the hangover damage will be 8x (only 2x against bosses) what it should be
But that doesn’t make it good
last dirge
I finally got curse of drowning on beo last night and it was pretty decent
The early rng was hell though took like 10 minutes of routing to get a cast at all.
Then I switch to Ares keepsake and I immediately get a route with an epic cast
ivory turtle
I had to get unshakable mettle last run for fated choice and it SUUUUCKED lol
Anyway I'm feeling pretty vanilla rn so Imma go for ME on demeter
opaque hollow
ivory turtle
Hey guys I have a 4 word horror story
Poseidon sword stygian soul
Oof help
I'm doing another ME run but it's not giving me Athena on Special after 1 reroll. Is it worth spending 2 dice?
ivory turtle
I know all boons can be situationally useful, but what boons have the fewest use...
Unshakable mettle
Y'know I did it and I have regrets
I'm just gonna do a different run now
vagrant crane
I'm doing another ME run but it's not giving me Athena on Special after 1 reroll...
cry and reset probably
ivory turtle
It didn't give me special after rerolling twice, how is that even possibke
It gave me dash
HMMMM... Hades spear maybe
Maybe I'll get massive spin and get all the dopamine
ivory turtle
Update: I got massive spin and all of the dopamin3
fallow wagon
I never used spin after seeing how little control you have and how it can be cancelled easily
proven osprey
You can cancel it with a dash. You'll unleash the spin, mark you enemies and still benefit from the iframes of the dash
solar siren
So I wanna do a Aphro cast Hera build, what god should I put on attack for Privileged Status?
or should I just put something like Zeus on special for Privileged instead?
not entirely sure what to do with Hera
cunning urchin
Take Family Favorite instead of Privileged Status.
Excellent Hera Crush Shot guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit
solar siren
Alright, thanks
wait doesn’t Snow Burst and Aphro cast already unlock Privileged?
or should I still take Family Favorite for more consistency
cunning urchin
You'll mostly be killing enemies before you even get a chance to proc Privileged Status.
tight basin
snow burst is just like general aoe that'll help with flamewheels and rats or finishing off low hp enemies
or could help you reach breakpoints a lot easier
last dirge
Hades spear is fun
Moreso if you get both hammers
Kinda samey. I just get Artemis attack
You could also do like explosive skewer with mark
Hmm. Maybe I'll try a Bad Influence build
Wont be good vs Hades
plain river
Moreso if you get both hammers
Tru You do kinda need exploding launcher and charged skewer
last dirge
Yeah or spins if you just do spins
Or else it's going to be bad
Worse than base max spear
plain river
Just doing spins is kinda
last dirge
I think some sort of Bad Influence build would be fun
plain river
You really need either serrated point or exploding launcher to make hades work well
last dirge
If you get a good special you can use it
Oh yeah the spin debuff doesnt work on spin dmg
I usually just did serrated yeah
plain river
It’s just that serrated is a tad annoying about movement
ivory turtle
Someone give me a random boon to choose
cunning urchin
Blown Kiss.
ivory turtle
O o f
vagrant crane
blown kiss pos run rn
ivory turtle
I went ahead and just did a Zeus fists run
It was beautiful
Got second wind and billowing
It was awesome
cunning urchin
Blown Kiss literally the best boon in the game.
tight basin
use hera and cope with dead zone
vagrant crane
simply don’t take flurry
ivory turtle
I haven't played pos sword for a fat minute, let's do it
vagrant crane
huge
vagrant crane
exit wounds is like patchwork boss dmg
cause you’d hope to be killing enemies with ur cast only
esp with blown kiss
ivory turtle
Right
cunning urchin
You'll want Snow Burst.
tight basin
doesn't snow burst invalidate blown kiss bonus damage
ivory turtle
AAAAAA I got rare crop right after I picked up crush shot so I'm now going to have heroic level crush shot
Unless
Would it be better to reroll for snow burst?
vagrant crane
crop is funny
ivory turtle
Well I like funny
tight basin
is the god pool aphrodite and demeter rn
ivory turtle
Yeah
tight basin
in tart?
ivory turtle
In tart
vagrant crane
chaos
tight basin
could do the funny, take artemis, and try and get mirage shot later
vagrant crane
its a cast build
ivory turtle
LOLLLL I got epic shot
tight basin
based
ivory turtle
This round is being literally spoonfed to me what the
K also I'm not familiar with the attack cycle on pos, what should I be doing
ivory turtle
Besides just casting lol
ivory turtle
And then they should die lol
vagrant crane
yep
vagrant crane
eh hammers aren’t massive on pos cast builds
vagrant crane
you’d rather have the cash for poms probably
you want to pump poms into your cast
ivory turtle
Fax actually
Cast is still the only boon I have that's pommable and of course it gave me a nectar room
vagrant crane
big win
vagrant crane
i mean it works
tight basin
the only good hammer you want is double edge
vagrant crane
not a bad %
vagrant crane
you aren’t going for any duos or anything
ivory turtle
I have dash and touch in offer
vagrant crane
doesn't open any duos as far as ik
cold embrace: crush shot edition
ivory turtle
XDDDD
That would be terrifying
Imagine if you just had a beam of crush shots
Ooooh pom or duo aphro and Demeter?
vagrant crane
?
ivory turtle
*not duo lol
vagrant crane
this is casual run right
ivory turtle
Yeehaw
vagrant crane
prob trial for blown kiss chance
ivory turtle
Imma reroll because I have like 5
vagrant crane
ah well
cunning urchin
Would it be better to reroll for snow burst?
Yes.
ivory turtle
Oh oof
vagrant crane
but blown kiss %
ivory turtle
Ooooh should I go for Parting Shot?
vagrant crane
uh
prob not go for it consciously by forcing gods
but might not be too bad if you have shadow on
ivory turtle
I just got Athena organically
vagrant crane
also i’m gonna bed
ivory turtle
Oh go slep
vagrant crane
godspeed
ivory turtle
Ty :D
cunning urchin
I wouldn't roll for Parting Shot, but you can take it if you see it.
ivory turtle
Hmmmm... Just got out of tarty
I have pretty much everyone I need in my god pool
What should I do now lol
For keepsakes
I'm thinking hourglass or pom blossom
vagrant crane
hourglass good
cunning urchin
Do you have Snow Burst yet?
cunning urchin
Live and die by your decisions. No resetting.
ivory turtle
Aight u rite
cunning urchin
I always am.
vagrant crane
Live and die by your decisions. No resetting. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
taking purse with paupers like
ivory turtle
OH MY GOSH I've done that
Or I've chosen coin rooms
Yknow
I'm going to go Hermes
cunning urchin
taking purse with paupers like
lol my 13:13 RTA yesterday, I accidentally took Acorn into Asphodel.
ivory turtle
That's an oof
cunning urchin
Turned out to be pretty good, though. No interruptions when charging Dash-Strikes.
vagrant crane
you don’t want to absorb 8 lava damage?
cunning urchin
It doesn't proc on magma damage.
vagrant crane
oh
ivory turtle
IM REROLLING FOR BLOWN KISS CMONNNNN
Y U S I GOT IT
Hmmmmmm... Stubborn Roots or reroll for snow burst
ivory turtle
Hmmmmm
I low-key kinda do
But at the same time... Snurst
I'll take stubborn
I made a dumb decision
I had hourglass
And forgot to check the well before I swapped
đź«
cunning urchin
Hmmmmmm... Stubborn Roots or reroll for snow burst
Roll.
cunning urchin
Exit Wounds overrated.
cunning urchin
Did you have Acorn?
ivory turtle
I think so?
Which is kinda embarassing
I had like no health going in too
Maybe I should switch to DD instead of SD
ivory turtle
Acorn pretty much makes you invincible the first few times you get hit
In the final boss of each floor
cunning urchin
Maybe I should switch to DD instead of SD
DDs better unless you're doing high heat with LC4, yeah.
And there's nothing embarrassing about losing a run.
ivory turtle
I used to be bad enough at the game where I needed more than 3 DDs per run
opaque hollow
Acorn pretty much makes you invincible the first few times you get hit
Is it any good ive never used it
cunning urchin
Best tank keepsake for Elysium and Styx.
opaque hollow
I suppose yeah
ivory turtle
Is high confidence ever optimal btw??
opaque hollow
The acorn would block more damage than the healtg gained from tooth
opaque hollow
Is high confidence ever optimal btw??
For speedruns
cunning urchin
Well, High Confidence is the go-to pick in any heat speedruns. Not high heat speedruns though.
I think you should generally use it for Cast builds outside of high heat, too.
Casts especially benefit a lot from +25% damage and are generally very safe.
ivory turtle
What would be the least safe cast?? I'd assume trippy
tight basin
well it's just inconsistent
wouldn't make it not safe
it has enough damage that it'll be fine probably
ivory turtle
I don't think it's a bad cast at all, but I'd guess that it's unsafe because it's slow
tight basin
i dont think that makes it "not safe"
really none of the casts are "not safe"
unless like
"it does no damage so therefore you aren't safe"
ivory turtle
(I guess my smash bros is showing lol)
cunning urchin
Trippy Shot even has CC.
ivory turtle
And I guess like,,, you don't have to be a sitting duck while it's flying
cunning urchin
And you can get Ice Wine to reduce travel time.
tight basin
or if you're using hera or beo, an explosion delay with ice wine
ivory turtle
Oooh
tight basin
the explosion delay kinda sucks
ivory turtle
Can you stack scintillating feast with ice wine?
tight basin
yes
cunning urchin
Trippy Flare sucks.
ivory turtle
That sounds... Fun
tight basin
it's fun if you get the rng
ivory turtle
Suboptimal but fun
cunning urchin
Trippy Shot gud. Trippy Flare blerg.
tight basin
it's suboptimal until you get the boons
ivory turtle
Yeah like it requires RNG blessings to function
Rn I'm just tryna finish learning the lyre
tight basin
Yeah like it requires RNG blessings to function
well mainly it's just +grasps from chaos
ivory turtle
Gooootcha
ivory turtle
Wait what's the pom bug
tight basin
so you dont really need more damage out of chaos lol
every pom you put onto trippy flare for beowulf is double of what it says
ivory turtle
I just know about mirage sgot
tight basin
so when it says 120 -> 140 it's really 120 -> 160
tight basin
i mean it doesn't fix the problem of inconsistency lol
ivory turtle
Beo is such a buggy aspect and I love it
tight basin
it kinda just helps that you dont have to really get +cast dmg from chaos
cunning urchin
K just unlocked Lucifer, any tips?
Optimal build is just like Eris but with Triple Bomb instead of Cluster + Rocket Bomb.
ivory turtle
Hm...
I have Triple Beam and Greater Inferno
Did you mean beam or bomb?
Also I'm gonna try the supersoaker
*trying, not going to try lol
cunning urchin
I mean it can get good eventually, but it takes a long time to get there.
ivory turtle
AYYYY I got Sea Storm in Aspho
Oof I should've chosen eternal chamber with sea storm
Ehh
OOOOH I tried the Daedalus anvil and I got triple bomb AND targeting system
Targeting probably isn't as good on Lucifer but still
That was a pretty easy win ngl!! I can see where it would be extremely inconsistent but I had a lot of fun with it haha
cunning urchin
super soaker with no sea storm
It's there.
ivory turtle
K but how am I supposed to actually play lucifer loll
plain river
K but how am I supposed to actually play lucifer loll
Triple bomb
with big +% special, and lightning strike + tidal dash to explode them
plain river
gilga is kind of just build ME
tight basin
or dash only
ivory turtle
the built-in 3 dashes is fun based on my skelly testing
plain river
The issue is the shorter distance and longer cooldown
and the speed of the dashstrikes, or rather lack thereof
plain river
not killing numsbkulls like
You mean to tell me you don’t have ME by c1?
plain river
Spreadfire is based
vagrant crane
but gilga isnt
ivory turtle
IM SO UPSET
I got an Athena Erebus gate
AND AFTER REROLLING TWICE (yes this was a dumb decision no I don't care lol) I WASNT OFFERED SPECIAL
It keeps trying to shove me her cast
Tbh I like Demeter fists way more after actually playing for a bit
Well I reset, I'll take Athena dash I guess
tight basin
if you're doing ME shouldn't you start ares attack
cunning urchin
K but how am I supposed to actually play lucifer loll
Same as Eris pretty much. Hold down Attack, mash dash, use Special at the same time you reload.
ivory turtle
if you're doing ME shouldn't you start ares attack
I did haha, I just wasn't given Athena special right after
So I took the dash
WHich is a pretty important piece of the combo anyway lol
ivory turtle
Oop, that was def not very clear loll
K, I got rush kick, flying kick and colossus knuckle... I have no clue what the take is here haha
plain river
Colossus knuckle sounds like the least painful
tight basin
the kicks screw stuff up i think
ivory turtle
They're always wacky to deal with
plain river
Rush kick isn’t exactly good, flying cutter is… idk what words to use, colossus knuckle is ok
ivory turtle
sounds good, at least I get sturdy (wow amazing)
plain river
Zag hits the griddy mid-attempt 