there's an internal cooldown on thunder bolts, so you'll only get like 1-2 bolts per volley
#h1-builds-and-combat
tight basin
and yeah fo2 does increase projectile speed
fun fact, speed is multiplicative, so it's technically not a 40% increase but like a 42 or 44% or something
vagrant crane
44
tight basin
use meg on minibosses, it'll strip the armor immediately and the hp is really easy to get through
vagrant crane
wait relentless over triple ?
yeah that's not good idea
rama once you get thru tart most of the time your special's damage is like eh
you want to be putting out those huge chunks
ruby siren
there's an internal cooldown on thunder bolts, so you'll only get like 1-2 bolts...
whaaaat thats crazy i had no idea. i always figured it was one bolt per hit
tight basin
it's a 0.2 sec cooldown, so you're not getting as much as you think
it's also why thunder flourish on chiron isn't meta lol
ruby siren
yea thats actually terrible lol
tight basin
well thunder flourish is still really good
because you can get static discharge
but that's generally the extent of it lol
vagrant crane
double strike moment
ruby siren
thanks yall. definitely a lot of valuable info here. the bolt cooldown is so disappointing lol. ill prob continue taking it just bc it's so fun to use but i def wont be getting relentless volley with it anymore
tight basin
oh i just realized that if i'm gonna keep going through the whole video like this then it's gonna be a giant wall of text in here lmao
i'll just dm it
tight basin
oh
aight then
im kinda impatient and don't really want to cover how to play rama correctly, but i think you need to find more opportunites to get in your attack in (and not use tempest strike). spread shared suffering, get distance with dashes, then shoot
9:22 - you really want to pom static discharge over thunder flourish. it's a bigger increase, and it'll proc more often in general
11:05 - if you wanted to buy from the well, you should've just bought the cyclops jerky lol you bought everything else except that
11:56 - never roll more than once. it's a waste, and at that point you just cope with what you get, esp considering what you're rolling for isnt important. exclusive access isn't that important in the grand scheme of things tbh
14:17 - taking dio into aspho isn't important for reason stated above. would've taken athena or aphrodite into asphodel and sold tempest strike if you could
16:16 - calc risk isn't that great but considering you're having trouble with projectiles, it'll do. also considering you're shooting for EA, you might as well take one duo out of the equation. ideally, you would've taken premium vintage tho
16:45 - even tho hermes is guaranteed to come up again, poseidon isn't really giving you anything good other than like hydraulic might at this point. would take hermes and hope for more dashes or hyper sprint. i guess technically getting EA from pos will give better hermes later tho
17:45 - even tho you don't want flood shot, you should've taken it. given how boons are offered, it'll always offer you an attack, special, cast, or dash boon if any of them are missing. since you're missing a cast, every boon is guaranteed to offer you a cast boon
18:50 - lol
20:08 - you have meg summon for a reason lol. get them on top of each other and hit the summon when the thwomp comes down. you'll remove their armor completely and it'll be much easier to deal with. hitting the summon removes all projectiles from screen and gives you iframes, so it's a pretty safe strat
i deleted it because it's an hour's worth of stuff i gotta get through and i dont want to clog the channel
ruby siren
i was about to say! u can dm it haha if u want. but JESUS lmaooo thank u sooooo much 🥺 i rly appreciate u taking the time
tight basin
it's just like mostly boon choices
vagrant crane
meg is very helpful
most of the time you meg minibosses heroes and dad
i used to end every run with 5 megs
now i end with 0
ruby siren
ill copy n then u an delete it or dm it if u want
tight basin
i dont want to cover like gameplay mechanic because you can learn from watching other top players or just through more experience
ruby siren
got it
vagrant crane
rama is super hard to learn
tight basin
i'll just dm each chunk whenever i hit the character limit in messages lmao
vagrant crane
probably hardest other than like flurry hera idk
tight basin
flurry hera is easier if you have a controller i think lmao
vagrant crane
controller not real
tight basin
true
ruby siren
i'll just dm each chunk whenever i hit the character limit in messages lmao
ur the best haha
ruby siren
pstatus?
deep wagon
I hate the fists sooo much
vagrant crane
worst weapon moment
tight basin
basically like none of your attacks got any bonus damage
ruby siren
ohhh whats the alt to that?
deep wagon
I dont like standing directly next to the enemies
vagrant crane
you end with 25
deep wagon
Those things have 0 range
tight basin
at this point (from when i noticed it) you have a 20% damage boost from just playing the game lmao
vagrant crane
long knuckle moment
deep wagon
Even then its not v far
deep wagon
Thats why my fastest runs are on bow and gun 😭
tight basin
Even then its not v far
longer than sword lol
vagrant crane
i played modded and started long knuckle for my 32 heat dem run lmfao
deep wagon
I hate the sword too
tight basin
fair enough
deep wagon
I always avoid playint it if i can
tight basin
i played modded and started long knuckle for my 32 heat dem run lmfao
but why
vagrant crane
piss i have an essay due
tight basin
you suck
vagrant crane
yeah
ruby siren
ohhhh i see. i used to do runs where i would only take boons from 3 or 4 gods tops so priv status was more useful but ive def switched up since then
ruby siren
i LOVE the fists just bc of the feel of playing them
vagrant crane
and there is not a single build in the world that doesnt benefit from hermes
hermes goat
except he sucks
ruby siren
without long knuckle tho im like 100% worse lol
vagrant crane
because that loser will never ever give me rd
tight basin
ohhhh i see. i used to do runs where i would only take boons from 3 or 4 gods to...
priv status is only used in builds that revolve around hangover
ruby siren
yea hermes is a necessity
vagrant crane
hangover bc you want weak anyways for low tolerance
tight basin
drunk chiron takes pstatus because it starts with hangover on the special and wants to get aphrodite on the atk, so it's a 100% uptime on pstatus basically
vagrant crane
do you take aph special on drunk eris
ruby siren
yo i had this CRAZY build the other day. it was a run i wasnt even planning on filming but i started screen recording without my face in asphodel bc of how insane the build was getting. i dont remember the details but i know i had like 4 or 5 duo boons
tight basin
the only exception to this is high heat beowulf, where you take passion flare and snow burst/frost strike/mistral dash
because it's a literal nuke and you dont need the instant 5% buff, so might as well make it 40% at some point lol
ruby siren
cant wait to post that one
vagrant crane
pash dash moment
vagrant crane
the only exception to this is high heat beowulf, where you take passion flare an...
mistral dash :((((
ruby siren
i despise mistral dash. idk why exactly. it just annoys the crap out of me whenever i get it
tight basin
probably idk
vagrant crane
js1 cp1 is a 38% increase in normal rooms
but 15% in bosses
js2 cp0 is 40% in normal 0% in bosses
delicate hatch
cp 
vagrant crane
50 heat running 
tight basin
i despise mistral dash. idk why exactly. it just annoys the crap out of me whene...
lmao it's not great at all tbh it's only niche is pstatus for beo, and even then it's like the worst possible option for it lmao
otherwise, you just take it because you dont have anything better to do, to fill a slot, or to just inflict chill
tight basin
mistral shoots forward
vagrant crane
and there's a 0.1% chance of low tolerance
tight basin
so you can keep some distance
vagrant crane
oh yeah
makes sense
and i guess you dont want dio in your pool bc snow burst
or
youd prefer dem in yoru pool
also
is flood flare just base flare with a bit more damage and going through walls and big aoe
cause like
passion does weak
generally all the other ones do something
but doesnt it not do knockback
does serrated point count as 3 hits for raging rush boost
or is it 1 since it's 1 attack
tight basin
is flood flare just base flare with a bit more damage and going through walls an...
yeah
tight basin
but doesnt it not do knockback
it's a super tiny knockback lol
also like flood is used because it opens up mirage easily
if mirage wasn't broken, passion would be used
vagrant crane
so like
if you got like super ultra hypermodded you'd do passion and get 2nd pos 3rd arty?
tight basin
depends on your skill level at that point
you lose a ton of aoe and styx becomes more challenging
depending on the type of room, with flood flare you can hit like the center wall and kill everything in the room
with passion, you need at least 2 shots
cunning urchin
rama is super hard to learn
I always thought it was really easy to learn after buffs, but people do say that a lot. I'll just assume they're all wrong and I am right. 
cunning urchin
priv status is only used in builds that revolve around hangover
Hmmm no. Hangover start, Weak start, and Chill start can all take Privileged Status, but depends on the aspect as well.
Rama wants to kill in the first Dash-Strike, so you just wouldn't get anything out of Privileged Status even with Heartbreak Strike start, while Family Favorite can help you get those one-shots.
tight basin
huh i've only seen builds with hangover take it
cunning urchin
Err...
tight basin
other than passion beo
cunning urchin
Passion Flare says hi.
tight basin
but like drunk eris and fists would take pstatus
idk what other ones would work
or at least work well
cunning urchin
And Chill start is just not something people do in general lol so you wouldn't have seen it, but Privileged Status is great for that.
Zeus with Heartbreak Strike/Flourish start etc.
Just you'll see most people starting Thunder Flourish on that of course.
tight basin
well that's certainly an option i guess lmao
tight basin
zeus shield
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Flourish and Heartbreak Strike start are both strong on Zeus.
vagrant crane
i guess thats 60+ heat though
vagrant crane
or you need dstrike
cunning urchin
And Weak can often go with either Family Favorite or Privileged Status.
tight basin
theres a pretty high heat clear with shackle and heartbreak flourish
you just need good chaos at that point
vagrant crane
weak should go family favorite because the only god in your pool should be Aphrodite
cunning urchin
In fact, who needs a mirror when you have Lady Aphrodite on your side.
In a sense, I guess, Privileged Status on Weak start raises the floor of a lot of builds you can get while Family Favorite raises the ceiling of the often more optimal builds like Heart Rend on Nemesis or whatever.
But like... Weak + Chill can be a really strong combo in general, but it's gonna do quite a bit less damage on any not-Hera aspect if you take Family Favorite.
Weak + Lightning kinda likes either one because you're typically going for Static Discharge anyway.
Weak + Hangover a lot better with Privileged Status.
Weak + Poseidon usually better with Family Favorite but Razor Shoals can make it pretty good.
Weak + crits doesn't really for Privileged Status at all, naturally.
Weak + Doom can take either, I guess. Depends on aspect really. Sometimes you wouldn't want Doom in the first place.
woeful pawn
Ares is the god I use the least
I just don't see the use compared to other gods tbh
Or maybe I just haven't found the right builds
solar siren
could a Heart Rend build work on Demeter aspect? (Aphro atk, Artemis special)
cunning urchin
Yup!
Can also do something like Drunken Strike, Deadly Flourish, Passion Dash with both Heart Rend and Low Tolerance as another build.
deep wagon
What are some fist builds you guys recommend that dont involve zeus
tight basin
merciful end
plain river
Or hangover
deep wagon
I tried to do a merciful end build once
I didnt get the duo boon 💀
I had the mirror upgrade for duos too
deep wagon
Unfortunately
tight basin
zeus atk is like the alternative if you dont want to do ME lol
generally considered better than hangover on fists
mainly because of jolted
deep wagon
Honestly ive never really understood what jolted does
plain river
Hangover simple, consistent
Dio strike -> aphro special -> low tolerance (not necessary) -> 8 trillion poms on strike
If you naturally find ares while building hangover, -> curse of vengeance -> curse of nausea
tight basin
Honestly ive never really understood what jolted does
whenever they attack, they take damage basically
plain river
Honestly ive never really understood what jolted does
Jolted enemies take damage when they attack
deep wagon
I see
tight basin
it has really good pom and rarity scaling
deep wagon
How does it work w the demeter duo?
plain river
How does it work w the demeter duo?
It sticks around for 10 seconds rather then ending as soon as they attack
tight basin
it's good if your jolted source is one something that you dont use often
deep wagon
Ahh ok
plain river
Normally jolted ends when it proks and hits them for damage
w/ cold fusion it sticks around even after
dull stag
Any suggestions for a rama bow build?
delicate hatch
i think it's usually some beefy % attack like aphro attack, zeus on special, ig tidal dash? and then probably just cram as much arty into it as you can
idk if that's the meta but it sounds like it makes sense idk
tight basin
hunter dash not tidal dash
but otherwise pretty much correct
typically start zeus for his special because shared suffering can get through tartarus and kinda asphodel if you have a good hammer
and if you get jolted early it's free damage
best hammers are twin/triple -> point blank/perfect shot
if you want to start aphrodite for the attack, look for any sort of flat damage on the special (dionysus, ares, zeus)
dull stag
Thank you 👌
I would like to learn some tips and tricks for those fast runns that you ladds do, after im done with the story and get those weapons upgraded, miror, etc
tight basin
I would like to learn some tips and tricks for those fast runns that you ladds d...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI
here's a good starting point for it
tight basin
it goes over basic speedrunning tactics and a build for 1 aspect of each weapon
mirror and pact as well
you can probably get like a sub8 or sub9 by just a lot of practice after watching this video, but i think anything lower than that would need more supplemental material
dull stag
Needed more of a tactic guide, fast buttons im good..
Awesome ladds apriciate it
tight basin
tactics is just like, take every free room lmao
have a good build
pause before making a decision
dull stag
Oh so just dont waste mutch time on them boons rooms where you clear stuff
tight basin
yeah
dull stag
Like always take shoop, and that stuff
tight basin
once you're in front of a set of doors, pause when the rewards show up so you can buy some time to think
yeah always take midshop and story rooms
dull stag
👍
tight basin
don't take trials or erebus generally, but you can probably get away with one of those for a sub10
i'd only take a trial in a speedrun if you're building for merciful end
tight basin
ares athena duo
it's kinda inconsistent to get fully up and running, but it's an extremely strong combo
ares attack, athena special, get duo, get divine dash, hopefully find impending doom
dull stag
Aha, im relatively new to Hades, so sorry if i ask some stuff that is probably basic for you ladds
delicate hatch
yeah always take midshop and story rooms
there's some exceptions for midshop no?
tight basin
eh
like
ME again i guess
actually speedcord said to take shop if it's athena vs midshop iirc lol
delicate hatch
interesting
vagrant crane
actually speedcord said to take shop if it's athena vs midshop iirc lol
they said to highroll it yeah lmfao
weary karma
Is it better to take chaos gate or mid shop in Tartarus if I have full health and enough gold for a boon?
For speed running
valid dagger
Is it better to take chaos gate or mid shop in Tartarus if I have full health an...
It depends on the weapon and what boons you already have. Chaos doesn't give you much on some weps like Fists
cunning urchin
Shop and just pass through probably if RTA.
Unless Cast build I guess.
And when in doubt, cry and blame Amir for forcing you to make this choice.
ivory turtle
Ok Imma try Eris for the first time. I've always hated playing rail tho, y'all have any tips?
Not for the first time lol
I was thinking hestia lolllll
Anyway I hear that Eris is supposedly nuts?
ivory turtle
Ok... It gave me a hammer first, would I want Delta, piercing or cluster?
edgy jungle
if the reason you don't like rail is the reload, delta chamber is nice
ivory turtle
I'll give it a shot (lol pun unintended)
edgy jungle
cluster bombs is silly if you can combine it with rocket bomb later
edgy jungle
a bit late but this was assuming you were actually using eris and not hestia
ivory turtle
Yeah I was lolll
I failed horribly tho
Tis fine, rail just really isn't my weapon lol
My brain turns off when I play rail
Hmmmmmm
Let's play some Demeter on Arthur
Hmmm actually jo
*no
Let's do Hades spear
With Athena :DD
OOOH I JUST GOT MASSIVE SPIN
It's my favorite Hades hammer
It's so overkill but it's beautiful
opaque hollow
Not really a fan of hades spear
plain river
Not really a fan of hades spear
Idk man, Hades spear is easily in the top 4 spear aspects
cobalt moat
can I open my god pool back up again by purging the last boon of one of the 4 gods I wound up with?
vagrant crane
can I open my god pool back up again by purging the last boon of one of the 4 go...
no
but you can force a 5th
cobalt moat
bummer
cobalt moat
but you can force a 5th
how does this work?
cobalt moat
ah, nice, I like it
vagrant crane
so if you use a god keepsake between regions
and then pick up that god
they're added to your pool
you can get an indefinitely large pool
haelian recently did a 9 god pool video
cobalt moat
I take it Hermes isn't affected by god pool?
cobalt moat
makes sense
cobalt moat
family favorites?
cobalt moat
oh right
plain river
haelian recently did a 9 god pool video
You can hit 9 gods without forcing if you enter styx without a full godpool
ivory turtle
Advice on good zag bow builds? I'm thinking heartbreak strike to make crits mega huge
tight basin
that works yeah
get some other artemis core that isn't her dash to get heart rend
or you can do deadly strike + passion dash for heart rend
ivory turtle
Ooooh ok
How does putting Artemis on attack work? Does it just add to the crit chance so it's 25%
?
ivory turtle
Is it worth it to reroll for a duo if you have it unlocked?
spare holly
If you get a good hunter's mark you'll get so many crits! I did that recently with zag bow and just mowed down styx
vagrant crane
Is it worth it to reroll for a duo if you have it unlocked?
depends on how crucial the duo is
if it’s like mirage shot or hunting blades yes
heart rend you could prob roll once for
vagrant crane
slot filling works too
oh
but arty call kinda not that good
its like a worse aph call
also, not necessarily this run but in runs that depend on decent hermes don’t take a call until after 2nd hermes
ivory turtle
I also have Zeus in my core so I can go for smoldering
vagrant crane
ngl i think arty is the worst call for smair
other than ares call
it does like
100 damage
every 5 sec
ivory turtle
O_o u rite tho
vagrant crane
arty really likes greater call
plain river
100 damage
Compared to zeus or dio call which are significantly better 💪
vagrant crane
I also have Zeus in my core so I can go for smoldering
what is the zeus core
electric shot?
ivory turtle
Tdash
ivory turtle
XDDD
Also that moment when I get the WRONG DUO
I got lightning rod
Which is literally the worst one I could've gotten
Reroll time I think
ivory turtle
O H
Thank you
So zap dash
I'm quite new to the community, so much appreciated
THERE WE GOOOO I GOT HEART REND
vagrant crane
W
ivory turtle
Ok so apparently arty call works pretty well with heart rend, duly noted
vagrant crane
that would definitely be some fat stacks
ivory turtle
Y e a h
Ok so I know that apparently acorn is the best keepsake after forcing... But why?? I feel like either lucky tooth or pom blossom should be better lol
vagrant crane
pom blossom will like
never hit anything
it's pretty not good
and tooth absorbs less damage
for dad
ivory turtle
Ohhhh that makes sense
vagrant crane
and also only works once you've lost DDs
ivory turtle
For Elysium would you still recommend acorn?
vagrant crane
depends
do you feel you need the protection from a defensive keepsake?
because in ely it's often good to take hourglass
delicate hatch
For Elysium would you still recommend acorn?
there's multiple options
vagrant crane
also
delicate hatch
ely is kinda like
delicate hatch
you can just take almost whatever
vagrant crane
CHECK THE WELL
delicate hatch
^^^
vagrant crane
or else when you check the well going into styx after taking it off there'll be a braid and a stone sitting there taunting you with their 8 encounter duration
delicate hatch
😭
ivory turtle
LOLLLL will do
Oh other question
Does Dodge/damage% gained by plume or butterfly stay after you unequip?
delicate hatch
afaik no
ivory turtle
I feel like that's a dumb question but I gotta know
delicate hatch
wouldn't really make sense anyway
ivory turtle
Imma try to replace arty call with dio
delicate hatch
idrk much about calls but i don't think there's many scenarios where you would want arty's?
plain river
Imma try to replace arty call with dio
You can’t get call replacements
vagrant crane
you can sell
plain river
You need to sell the call to pick up a new one
vagrant crane
i think they meant sell and force dio
plain river
Maybe
ivory turtle
Ohhhh that's actually good to know
vagrant crane
because gambling on a lego like chance even if it were possible isn't fun
ivory turtle
I didn't mean that lol
vagrant crane
oh
plain river
Ok so I know that apparently acorn is the best keepsake after forcing... But why...
Acorn is better defensively the tooth, pom blossom is too unfocused by styx
plain river
For Elysium would you still recommend acorn?
Hourglass or some defensive keepsake
ivory turtle
O O F
plain river
Does Dodge/damage% gained by plume or butterfly stay after you unequip?
Nope
plain river
Which aspect
vagrant crane
rip
ivory turtle
Zag
plain river
Ah rip
vagrant crane
i think like
ivory turtle
Guess I'll go for piercing
vagrant crane
the only one that isn't entirely useless is charged
but it'd be useless by ely right
that's for like tart
i think
ivory turtle
Ok actually I'm not that upset
Tagged with attack then specialed
On butterfly ball
Did like 1800 because I have arty special
Def not the typical start but it worked once so that's good
*strat
Second wind or greater evasion??
ivory turtle
K so the only zap thing I have is dash, is clouded judgement or double strike preferred?
cunning urchin
Advice on good zag bow builds? I'm thinking heartbreak strike to make crits mega...
With Heartbreak Strike start, the two main things I look for are Hunter Dash (or Tidal Dash if you see it first in Tartarus) and Hunter's Mark. Heart Rend is also something to look for, but Hunter's Mark actually matters more. Although if I see both, I'd pick Heart Rend anyway because Hunter's Mark has a better chance of showing up again.
If you picked up Tidal Dash, put a couple poms on that and also look for Breaking Wave from him. But still prioritize looking for Hunter's Mark from Lady Artemis, ideally with Pressure Points to open it up... although taking True Shot/Deadly Flourish to open it up is fine, too, but Pressure Points is the better pick if you have the choice.
If you don't have Hunter Dash or Tidal Dash before Asphodel, grab the Adamant Arrowhead to get Hunter Dash and/or Pressure Points + Hunter's Mark.
If you already have Hunter Dash before Asphodel, I usually go for Thunder Signet to get Zeus' Aid and go for Smoldering Air. But also still look for Hunter's Mark etc.
Best hammers are Twin Shot and Triple Shot (personally favor Twin Shot). If you already have one of those, then Flurry Shot is your best second hammer. Perfect Shot and Point-Blank Shot are also good options if you Twin/Triple/Flurry... and Perfect/Point-Blank are better than Flurry if you don't have Twin/Triple yet.
Also look for Strike/Lunge from Master Chaos as much as possible and buy Attack jerkies and anything else that buffs attack damage from Wells of Charon (i.e., Nail of Talos etc.).
Mirror should look like this, although taking Thick Skin instead of High Confidence is perfectly fine too, of course: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1081908869078458500/Hades_6154.png
vagrant crane
double strike probably
uh
do i take 73 epic atk from athena
i have shackle rn
i think ill just styxshackle
wth 329 aspho exit?
random good pace
cunning urchin
Other good Zag Bow builds are:
Deadly Strike start > Passion Dash > Heart Rend and also get Hunter's Mark. And all the usual stuff from hammers and Master Chaos etc.
Tidal Dash start > poms on Tidal Dash + Breaking Wave > Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark (or rare/epic Heartbreak Strike if you see it first in Tartarus, but then still look for Pressure Points + Hunter's Mark in Asphodel). Can also take Shattered Shackle instead of Deadly Strike, but personally I would go for Deadly Strike there.
cunning urchin
Keepsakes are most commonly:
god 1 > god 2 > Acorn > Acorn
Sometimes can go:
god 1 > god 2 > god 3 > Acorn
god 1 > god 2 > Hourglass (after checking the Well) > Acorn
god 1 > Hourglass (very rare) > Hourglass/Acorn > Acorn
god 1 > god 2 > whatever > Hourglass (if you see good stuff in the Well before Styx and have several rerolls)
cunning urchin
enshrouded is trolling
Still doing no reset runs?
vagrant crane
ish
didnt actually take it
im not happy with this flayed losing 2 dds thing
god damn it
2:30 ely
cunning urchin
Have you considered not getting hit?
cunning urchin
2:30 ely
Consider that we high heat players once collectively complained about only having 7 minutes IGT for all of Elysium. 
Well, that's with JS etc. to be fair, but still lol.
tight basin
easy
cunning urchin
Congratulations!
Oh yeah, Dying Lament is great for Heartbreak Strike start especially, forgot to mention that.
vagrant crane
makes rat room slightly less soul crushing
cunning urchin
makes rat room slightly less soul crushing
Also pairs well with Pressure Points + Hunter's Mark and can help hit breakpoints on some enemies.
cobalt moat
Quick Recovery: "After taking damage, quickly dash to recover some ❤️ you just lost" - How is "quickly" defined here? Half a second? 4 seconds? Some sort of scalar?
tight basin
Quick Recovery: "After taking damage, quickly dash to recover some ❤️ you just l...
def not 4 seconds, but it's a relatively short window
maybe about half a second but i never pay attention to it
maybe less
cobalt moat
I mean if Hermes wasn't a total tightwad I'd never pick it, but here I am, lol
opaque hollow
take it if there is nothing else
grand zenith
@vagrant crane What would a hangover build look like and how good is it?
vagrant crane
hangover builds are like
drunk eris
chiron
drunk fists
they take dio on atk or special whichever one is the fast one and then typically go for aphrodite on the slower harder hitting one with the end goal of low tolerance
they can be rather good
pretty sure eris high heat something or other wr is drunk eris
chiron just isn't that great but that's its best special based build
i think you can do drunk zeus
and it'll like work ish on fds sword
oh
flurry jab dio atk good on spear i think
tight basin
i think you can do drunk zeus
yeah but it's just strictly worse than zeus^2 lol
tight basin
<@752689126448300033> What would a hangover build look like and how good is it?
hangover builds are safe and consistent but dont have too much dps
tends to be on the slower side generally
because all you need are poms, certain aspects take it at high heat like fists and eris mentioned above
vagrant crane
yeah but it's just strictly worse than zeus^2 lol
but you can do it
tight basin
i mean you can do a lot of things
vagrant crane
gilga pos atk
tight basin
the only time i've done drunk zeus was because the account didn't have a zeus keepsake yet lol
and the 40 heat run as a challenge
tight basin
vengeance lmao
vagrant crane
vengeance works?
tight basin
yeah
tight basin
it's good for chiron
tight basin
real speed pact hours
that isn't speed pact
vagrant crane
oh
tight basin
js1
tight basin
this was @plain river 40 pact
vagrant crane
ap1 40 real
vagrant crane
did u get marked
tight basin
uh
vagrant crane
i guess 12% isn't that bad
tight basin
lmao have fun
vagrant crane
halting is fun
tight basin
yep
simple ginkgo
Anyone have a decent build for the Zag Rail aspect?
soft shoal
Anyone have a decent build for the Zag Rail aspect?
you can play it like a bad Eris
zeus on attack + aphro on special + zeus call + smair is one I like
simple ginkgo
What is Smair?
soft shoal
sorry smouldering air (aphro + zeus duo boon)
simple ginkgo
Ohhh okay that makes sense. Lol
plain river
Anyone have a decent build for the Zag Rail aspect?
Alternatively to that, you can look for spreadfire and build up a +% strike on it since it has extra ammo
simple ginkgo
Anyone have a strong Beowulf build?
proper furnace
Anyone have a strong Beowulf build?
Best cast is pos cast by far
It doesnt so as much knocback as his other stuff, but you use it to get quick access to mirage shot
Which is bugged on flares so its double dmg
You can also do passion flare + snow Burst or something similar along with privileged status
simple ginkgo
I thought Trippy Flare was BiS for beowulf Lol
simple ginkgo
Okay so Poseidon cast here I come lol
proper furnace
You use stygian soul so you need extra casts from chaos, mirage shot too so 3 gods
But the best thing about trippy is that its poms are bugged
They are double of what its shown
simple ginkgo
That explains a lot lol
proper furnace
So trippy is fun but kinda a pain
simple ginkgo
So should I wait until my Beowulf is lvl 5? it's lvl 4 rn
valid dagger
It doesnt matter
proper furnace
Doesnt matter
simple ginkgo
Alright Lol I'll give it a shot then
zealous brook
does Weak effect > Doom effect? because my previous run felt slow with no proper duo boon for doom
i always got the duo for athena and art
this one felt easy with the duo boon of apro and art + unhealthy fixation legendary boon(got it at the very end at charon)
vagrant crane
weak is much better on its own than doom
doom without ME kinda is annoying
also curse of longing is not very good
zealous brook
i see
so instead of going with Ares i can go for athena,apro and arthemis
im just using stygian blade for now so arthemis is must, will try to see how i can get better boon with apro
tight basin
does Weak effect > Doom effect? because my previous run felt slow with no proper...
it mostly depends where that boon is going to go
aphrodite offers really high %, doom is a very high flat damage number that's best used with merciful end
aphrodite on fists attack of like base 15 damage kinda sucks, but ares attack would work pretty well
zealous brook
interesting so different weapons have diff way of working with it ok
tight basin
yeah
zealous brook
i'm mainly using nemesis sword for now
tight basin
stuff that hits fast with low base damage want a flat damage attack like dionysus, ares, or zeus
vagrant crane
nem wants % or can do neMEsis
tight basin
something that hits slower but for more damage wants a % modifier
anything that's melee like shield, fists, sword, and spear can all do merciful end tho lol
zealous brook
nem wants % or can do neMEsis
i got ME like 2-3 times in my runs
tight basin
ME is generally what you want to go for if you want to maximize dps, but it's pretty rng dependent
zealous brook
okay
tight basin
ares attack, athena special, get duo, get athena dash, try and get impending doom
vagrant crane
ME is best on nem?
vagrant crane
what's with the whole shackle thing then
tight basin
prob because the 100% is good
and can carry the damage before you get dedge prob
it might be more like tidal dash into shackle
on the other hand tho speedrunning is a whole different thing for the most part lmao
too many nuances and you reset if you dont get what you want
gusty rapids
shackle is also way more fun for speedrunning imo
plain river
what's with the whole shackle thing then
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last dirge
First run I do after months not playing was a perfect (boon wise) Lightning Phalanx build lmao
I was barely playing right until the end and it did so well.
I wonder if I could fit Deadly Reversal in there
If I got divine special and tidal dash, for mirage shot
I even got Ancient Recall somehow
grand ruin
I've developed a bad habit of over-dashing with Greater Reflex. Is it worth the trouble to re-train my brain for Ruthless Reflex's damage/dodge boost?
plain river
I've developed a bad habit of over-dashing with Greater Reflex. Is it worth the...
No
Ruthless reflex isn’t worth it
Greater reflex is way way better
vagrant crane
you don’t appreciate that 2nd dash till it’s gone
acoustic skiff
I straight up could not function without second dash
grand ruin
It didn't help that I've been doing EM2/FO2 to train and I changed it when Fists had Darker Thirst. Broke my 26 streak on Lernie of all things.
bold echo
So whats the exact Zag Fist build? Of what I'm aware it's just Zeus/Athena
vagrant crane
So whats the exact Zag Fist build? Of what I'm aware it's just Zeus/Athena
Playing demeter
or plume dodge meme
bold echo
I dont have Demeter leveled up yet, just using Zag Aspect
cunning urchin
I've developed a bad habit of over-dashing with Greater Reflex. Is it worth the...
Welcome to the server!
cunning urchin
So whats the exact Zag Fist build? Of what I'm aware it's just Zeus/Athena
Meta build is Merciful End.
Curse of Agony > Divine Flourish > Merciful End + Divine Dash.
bold echo
What aspect do you want for that? Demeter?
vagrant crane
What aspect do you want for that? Demeter?
every fists aspect
fists = ME
dem just happens to be the best fists aspect
bold echo
So the ME Build Haelion shows in his video from like a year ago is fine to follow?
cunning urchin
I've developed a bad habit of over-dashing with Greater Reflex. Is it worth the...
The only time Ruthless Reflex is better is on Gilgamesh.
cunning urchin
So the ME Build Haelion shows in his video from like a year ago is fine to follo...
Probably. I have no idea if whatever specific video you're talking about was haelian doing a serious Merciful End build or a meme build.
bold echo
It was in his video for "The most overpowered builds"
vagrant crane
is that the one that has poseidon electric shot
cunning urchin
I mean haelian definitely knows what he's talking about.
drowsy saddle
ikr tier 0 chaos shield :)
bold echo
Uh for the fists build I just remember him saying ME. I dont remember exactly what other boons he recommends
cunning urchin
Well, I just told you the boons you need.
bold echo
Oh Im just answering Jazz's question
cunning urchin
Avoid picking up core boons from other gods that open up other Duo Boons.
Until you have Merciful End.
You'll also want Impending Doom after you get Merciful End.
Poms on Curse of Agony and on Impending Doom.
vagrant crane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1082715793684451328/output.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1082715814563692594/output.png
bold echo
So I assume I want to use my special attack after almost every combo?
cunning urchin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1082715793684451328/o...
Ngl those pom graphs almost never offer any practical info.
cunning urchin
So I assume I want to use my special attack after almost every combo?
No. You take Divine Flourish just to unlock Merciful End. You'll want to trigger your Doom with Divine Dash though.
bold echo
Ohhhh okay
vagrant crane
they don't want you to learn the secrets of bronze skin scaling https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1082716405788582029/output.png
bold echo
So I assume it's best to bring Gods Legacy for this build seeing as it's relying on a Duo boon to really get rolling
cunning urchin
But if you have have Merciful End and don't have Divine Dash yet, you can do Dash-Attack > immediate Special > repeat as a combo.
If you input Special fast enough after a Dash-Attack, it'll come out as a Dash-Upper on the same Dash. Might take a little bit of practice, but it's not difficult once you get the hang of it.
cunning urchin
So I assume it's best to bring Gods Legacy for this build seeing as it's relying...
Gods' Pride is actually the better pick, but Legacy is fine too.
bold echo
Ohhhh okay. So is the logic, if you're only wanting 1 Duo boon it's best for Gods' Pride over Legacy?
cunning urchin
From Lord Hernes: Greatest Reflex at rare/epic or Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery is what you want.
drowsy saddle
also doom rarity good
vagrant crane
doom epic does double from rare
cunning urchin
Ohhhh okay. So is the logic, if you're only wanting 1 Duo boon it's best for God...
Curse of Agony, Impending Doom, and the Lord Hermes boons benefit too much from epic rarity in this case.
vagrant crane
did you know
heroic lvl1 curse of pain does less than heroic lvl1 curse of agony
agony is 50/75/100/125 while pain is 60/80/100/120
drowsy saddle
how does the doom stack boon work with the aphro duo
the one that makes subsequent doom procs do less
plain river
they don't want you to learn the secrets of bronze skin scaling https://cdn.disc...
Check the pom scaling up to level 100 
plain river
agony is 50/75/100/125 while pain is 60/80/100/120
Ngl I didn’t realise that agony and pain scaling didn’t work like all the +%’s
drowsy saddle
please no
vagrant crane
please YES
drowsy saddle
wait does %atk not get affected by rd
plain river
I want my 2.3-2.5* scaling on agony
drowsy saddle
and MSV multiplies all flat effects
tight basin
beo you take legacy
it's either or tbh
cunning urchin
jazz not writing lmao or lmfao for 3 messages challenge: impossible
tight basin
legacy on beo is more consistent to get mirage earlier (or at all), but if you just hard reset for an early mirage then might as well take pride lol
i think ocke used/uses pride
vagrant crane
jazz not writing lmao or lmfao for 3 messages challenge: impossible
i mirror my environs
plain river
More or less impossible then Drunken try to not get correct challenge?
drowsy saddle
pride v legacy is just "do i want to reset more or do i want to get the funny duo build consistently"
reset for high roll ofc
vagrant crane
pride v legacy is "why am i not playing hestia?"
drowsy saddle
L + dc2
cunning urchin
More or less impossible then Drunken try to not get correct challenge?
The grammar in that message is giving me a headache.
tight basin
pride v legacy is just "do i want to reset more or do i want to get the funny du...
yeah pretty much
higher end beo players reset more
plain river
The grammar in that message is giving me a headache.
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quaint quail
im doing a mercifull end ascpect of demeter build, is rush kick good?
cunning urchin
im doing a mercifull end ascpect of demeter build, is rush kick good?
Not really.
This Malphon guide has a section for "hammer hierarchy" with notes on all of them: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CPvQPqeeFE--dGgK62iVHx6Gwy7c8trb75RkEd9uK0I/edit?usp=sharing
quaint quail
Not really.
ah. And i geussing you cant purge hammer upgrades?
cunning urchin
Hits 7 times for standing Special, 6 times for Dash-Special.
Assuming the aspect is maxed.
last dirge
I've developed a bad habit of over-dashing with Greater Reflex. Is it worth the...
As others have said, not really no. Not unless you want to. Its viable with Gilgamesh at least.
vagrant crane
gilgamesh and viable don't go together
last dirge
Gilgamesh isnt a heat pushing or speed pushing aspect though
It's fine it's just a meme
You still have to try to die at 0 heat with it usually
And its good for funny dash boon builds because Maim gives global dmg and you won't be attacking to interrupt your dash invuln anyway
You can stop using Maim at any time
It's like playing GY spin builds. It can be really effective but it's a meme.
quaint quail
i want to try a spear build, any reccomended aspects?
tight basin
Achilles
i'm a bit busy so i can't elaborate more but here's this guide lol https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit?usp=sharing
ik it's for speedrunning but it should give a general idea of build ideas
sorta
simple ginkgo
So how does one know when it's worth to run Gods' Legacy over Gods' Pride?
opaque hollow
Depends on what you want
drowsy saddle
if you want funny duo build run legacy
but for high performance pride is generally better
simple ginkgo
Depends on what you want
... This is why I'm asking. What does it depend on? So I can make these decisions as I try out new builds and stuff.
drowsy saddle
if you want to use a specific duo boon and dont really want to sweat too much use legacy
otherwise pride
/preference
thats how i see it
like if I want to try out a crystal clarity meme run i'd just go legacy to make it more likely
but a high-heat merciful end run would use pride as i need high rarities on doom and hermes and stuff which is more important
simple ginkgo
Well earlier today when I tried the ME build for Fists, I was told Gods' Pride is better for the build since all the boons that you pick up scale really well with higher rarity.
Do you know any other builds that work like that?
drowsy saddle
basically all of them, when you want to play optimally
simple ginkgo
Because to me it seems like God's Legacy would've been the better choice for me since you're relying on getting the ME duo boon.
drowsy saddle
yeah but if you're proccing 50 damage dooms instead of 100 damage its really not that good
and then you need impending rarity, and hermes for +dashes
etc etc
its less consistent but has higher highs
which again, only matter if you want to tryhard
if you want to attempt ME, and don't care about speed or heat or whatever, go ahead with legacy
simple ginkgo
Lol fair enough. Im just trying to find a build I enjoy with each weapon.
tight basin
Because to me it seems like God's Legacy would've been the better choice for me ...
A lot of higher level players prefer pride over legacy because they reset runs if they don't get good rng lol
They'd rather have better Hermes rarity for more damage because if they don't get the duo at a certain point they just reset the run
simple ginkgo
Ahhhh okay that makes sense though if their running high heats.
simple ginkgo
isn't Beowulf the top tier weapon for Speedrunning?
I thought I seen someone say that somewhere lol
tight basin
I mean yeah but you can still use fists
For like, wr fists time lmao
Overall, beo is better
simple ginkgo
I just cant fully see how people enjoy Beowulf so much. It's fun to an extent for me lol
I hate how you rely so hard on getting Mirage Duo though
tight basin
Big nuke is funny
drowsy saddle
I just cant fully see how people enjoy Beowulf so much. It's fun to an extent fo...
funy weapon
tight basin
Well beo is still decent without mirage
simple ginkgo
Yeah I had a run on Beo where I had 6 casts and I 4 shot each phase of Hades
Definitely was hilarious.
tight basin
For speed you def want mirage before lernie
tight basin
If you want to play casually, mirage-less beo is still fine
simple ginkgo
though i prefer trippy hera for ranged application
Thats one of my favorite Hera builds. I like doing the Artemis Hera build as well
drowsy saddle
true shot 💀
simple ginkgo
I heard that the Beo Trippy build is very inconsistent though.
simple ginkgo
Yeah it looks like a lot of fun
The Pom bug on Beo as well as the Mirage shot bug is just nasty though.
To bad I feel so clunky using Beo
tight basin
drowsy saddle
the trick to feeling fast using beo is to just spam rushes
tight basin
Just get the boons
tight basin
To bad I feel so clunky using Beo
Dash strike into the charge
You'll start the rush faster because you put down the shield faster compared to a standing attack
tight basin
That's trippy flare lmao
tight basin
Artemis is just good on the attack because it opens up mirage and the random crits are nice lmao
vagrant crane
sweet nectar
simple ginkgo
306 damage on your trippy. Thats nasty.
tight basin
It's prob closer to like 500 lmao
tight basin
160 I think
tight basin
Something like that lmao
vagrant crane
also im never running beo again this sucks
simple ginkgo
I cant think of any Chaos boon thats worth
tight basin
Yeah favor is really good for ME for good Hermes and higher duo chance
And good impending rarity right
But otherwise skip chaos
Esp if it's against an Athena door
Also consider taking trials for Athena and/or ares
simple ginkgo
I got Ares and Athena on my first room at the start of my fist run. This is just sad.
tight basin
how is that sad
if you started ares, take athena
and vice versa
the other will be guaranteed to show up because of keepsake
simple ginkgo
Well the more you know
tight basin
decent chance it'll appear on midshop too for better rarity
depends how early in the run you are
simple ginkgo
was in 2nd room
tight basin
was it hammer start?
simple ginkgo
yeah
tight basin
hammer start into darkness/gem/key/nectar
yeah i'd take whoever's keepsake you're not using
idk if that'd be a good idea for speedrunning, but i dont think you're speedrunning so it's fine lmao
vagrant crane
just had the worst c2 of my life
simple ginkgo
Nah I'm not.
tight basin
some aspects can get away with it relatively fine, like beowulf, hestia, rama, chunkier aspects
vagrant crane
i stopped to break two pots cause i thought new wave
tight basin
lmao
vagrant crane
halting:
tight basin
-28% isn't that bad
vagrant crane
halting has ruined too many rooms for me
tight basin
i mean if it's no reset then that's your best choice unless you wanna double roll
also slothful isn't much better
prob worse tbh
vagrant crane
i reset
tight basin
i thought you were doing no reset
tight basin
lmao fair
simple ginkgo
Huh didnt find ME and Im just about to fight Hades
extremely unlucky run I feel
No impending doom either
simple ginkgo
What other fun/good builds exist for Spear or Fists?
tight basin
for achilles spear there's hunting blades
or meme beams
or lightning phalanx
hunting blades and meme beams kinda plays itself, lightning phalanx is a bit more involved but still pretty strong
meme beams is not as consistent but isn't that hard to get going
safest tho
for fists, you can do zeus attack -> some aphrodite core -> dio/zeus call -> smoldering air
dio call wants a lot of poms, zeus call (and attack) you want static discharge and every other supporting zeus boon possible
simple ginkgo
So I just finished the run with the ME fists
I found ME in the last shop
and got my fastest clear idk how. Lol
I felt slow af.
tight basin
lmao even without ME the doom drops can be pretty good
also depends on your hammers tho
whats your time?
tight basin
without ME you prob would've still beaten it lmao
simple ginkgo
Also for hammers I got long knuckle and uh I cant remember the name but the one that does +5 damage for each consecutive hit.
simple ginkgo
What are good hammers for ME build?
tight basin
well for fists in general, breaching cross is just really good
+900% dash strike damage on armor is just stupid good
simple ginkgo
Oh, yeah that sounds great, especially with ME
tight basin
explosive upper on demeter fists is good
simple ginkgo
Yeah I dont have demeter fists yet
tight basin
yeah then the 2nd hammer doesn't matter too much
concentrated knuckle resets on dash strikes so it's kinda bad lol
long knuckle is nice safety tho
simple ginkgo
So wait, why do people use Achilles Spear?
tight basin
150% damage boost kinda dummy strong
for 4 attacks and cast
and having spear recall replaced with raging rush makes it better
casts have really good pom scaling and having any % boost to them is just really good
simple ginkgo
Oh I only have lvl2 achilles lol
So is the playstyle just, Use special, then cast?
tight basin
that's still a 75% boost or something i think
tight basin
So is the playstyle just, Use special, then cast?
spam special twice -> 2x dash strikes -> repeat
you generally dont use your cast that much until you get something good like phalanx shot, slicing shot, etc
and then you want to find good duos
like slicing shot -> hunting blades and whatever i said earlier
simple ginkgo
Wait but isnt the Hunting blades build a cast build? Or am I just dumb? Lol
tight basin
it is
achilles is just very versatile
you can do a pure attack based build if you want because you get a free bonus to your attack
when you get hunting blades, the idea is basically like
spam special twice -> cast -> dash strike as many times until raging rush is done -> repeat
tight basin
raging rush applies to 4 casts/attacks and it doesn't stack, so even if you have 1 charge left and try to activate raging rush, it doesn't work (i'm pretty sure)
simple ginkgo
is that true or false?
tight basin
I've heard Rama is a lot of fun and pretty good as well
it is
very high learning curve tho
simple ginkgo
Whats so hard about it?
simple ginkgo
But the attack pierces doesnt it?
tight basin
every bow attack pierces
unless you have explosive shot
and technically chain i guess since it doesn't pierce anymore lol
simple ginkgo
Wait so the charge up skill is just the special on Rama?
tight basin
well
its why it's difficult
when you use the special, it inflicts shared suffering
and any enemy inflicted with that will take 60% (max level) of the attack damage you just dealt
so if i hit enemy 1 with shared suffering and attack enemy 2 and deal 100 damage, enemy 1 will take 60 damage and enemy 2 will take 100
if enemy 2 was also inflicted with shared suffering, it'll take 160 and enemy 1 will take 60
that's the whole gimmick of rama
and it follows the trend of hidden aspects being slower but hits harder
simple ginkgo
Seems like a range version of Beo just without the casts. LOL
simple ginkgo
So I assume Fiery Presence is better with Rama?
tight basin
yeah it's considered better
simple ginkgo
Awesome I'm gonna go do a couple things then try out Rama then
tight basin
make sure to have good enemy line ups to hit multiple because otherwise it'll take forever
also dash strike into your charge
otherwise it will literally take forever to power shot lmao
simple ginkgo
Oh also whats a good build for Rama?
vagrant crane
So I assume Fiery Presence is better with Rama?
wait what
why
only standing strikes on spawning enemies seems worthwhile
it's a 15% difference
tight basin
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
thanks MiKE
tight basin
wait what
one shotting off spawn is faster
and fishing for backstabs on enemies kinda inconsistent
also if you have good enemy grouping, the 75% is better than the 60% shared suffering
and with enemy grouping, youre not likely to backstab
also, hitting shared suffering on a different enemy and using fiery on another will do more damage
simple ginkgo
So what I got from that, if I practice Rama a lot I can git gud.
Sounds good to me lol
tight basin
lmao do it
simple ginkgo
My highest heat rn is like 12
Been messing around with all the aspects to find the one I enjoy the most to push to 32+
simple ginkgo
So heart rend on Rama wouldnt be bad at all, eh?
simple ginkgo
If I got Artemis Main attack, with Aphrodite Special
I thought it would be pretty damn good lol
plain river
It’s better off having the consistency of aphrodite attack
simple ginkgo
Wait wtf is the Special on Rama
plain river
since rama is even slower then regular bow, you’re hitting and therefore critting less often
Aphrodite attack consistently kills enemies faster
vagrant crane
Wait wtf is the Special on Rama
zeus
vagrant crane
Wait wtf is the Special on Rama
zoos
simple ginkgo
Oh I meant more in the way of how it works
It's completely different from every other bow
Oh also a question I've been meaning to ask. When it comes to Dash striking, how much of a window do you have to charge up and shoot after you dash before you lose the bonus damage from dashing?
vagrant crane
it exists to apply shared suffering and to kill tart enemies and flame wheels
vagrant crane
Oh also a question I've been meaning to ask. When it comes to Dash striking, how...
bonus damage from dashing???
dash strikes do less damage
simple ginkgo
bonus damage from dashing???
Well like from Artemis, the dash striking boon.
Because in the paragraph that Banana posted in it said "because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good"
simple ginkgo
I do but I'm just curious whats the timing on it. Do I lose the bonus damage if I charge up for too long?
vagrant crane
no
plain river
Oh also a question I've been meaning to ask. When it comes to Dash striking, how...
There isn’t any bonus damage from dash striking
It’s just charging faster
unless you get a dash strike boon
plain river
Well like from Artemis, the dash striking boon.
It’s like the same window as dash striking on any other weapon
simple ginkgo
Ohhhhh okay