h1-builds-and-combat

[solar siren]

huh, I’ve never tried the shield

[vagrant crane]

oh

[solar siren]

i probably should try to use it but I don’t know how to build around it lol

[vagrant crane]

zagshield isn't actually better

more fun though

[tight basin]

If you want to build around Dio cast, stygian soul is better btw

[vagrant crane]

it's like the only situation iirc

[tight basin]

Get charged shot, Aphrodite attack, then win

Zeus call into smoldering air is nice

[vagrant crane]

wdym? charged flight >

[tight basin]

True

[vagrant crane]

dread flight goes craaaaaziiiii

aph attack nasty dash pstatus lol

[solar siren]

which shield aspect should I try to upgrade first?

[tight basin]

Zag or zeus

[vagrant crane]

zag is cheaper if you're low on blood

[tight basin]

Chaos isn't worth it

[vagrant crane]

i heard the reddit people like chaos

weird

[tight basin]

Because they actually use the special lol

[vagrant crane]

literally why

[plain river]

Because Redditors never updated from early access

[tight basin]

Also haelians aspect tier list says chaos is good lol

[tawny knoll]

Lol

[solar siren]

since I’m trying to go with the Festive Fog duos, should I put Demeter on attack or special? and vice versa for Zeus

[tight basin]

Depends on aspect

[solar siren]

Achilles

[tight basin]

If you already have flurry jab, either works. Without it, probably demeter

[solar siren]

attack or special

[vagrant crane]

hestia in B tier

[tight basin]

Oh attack lol

[tight basin]

Well I think it's low because of the fun factor not how good it is lol

[vagrant crane]

yeah

he specifically says it's very strong but he thinks it's boring

[tight basin]

Also btw the damage on the special is pretty negligible because you aren't prioritizing the damage it does

Like ideally you spam it twice just to get the damage boost lol

[vagrant crane]

is the crystal clarity 10% additive to achilles boost

[tight basin]

Probably

[solar siren]

Yeah I’m just gonna put Zeus on special tbh

so at-least I can get Cold Fusion AND Scintillating Feast

[tight basin]

Tbh scintillating isn't as useful here lol

[solar siren]

then I’ll mainly go for Ice Wine and the others will just be additional bonuses

[tight basin]

Scintillating feast has good damage over time but also like it's flat damage so it won't benefit too much from the Achilles boost

It'll get good usage out of rush delivery if you get it

[solar siren]

It doesn’t? damn

that kinda sucks

[tight basin]

Also with the Achilles boost you should ideally one shot enemies lol

[tight basin]

I'm assuming it doesn't count but I could be wrong

Because it's like

[vagrant crane]

only trippy flare gets the pom bug right

[tight basin]

Zeus special doesn't benefit from chaos bonuses

[tight basin]

That on beo only

[vagrant crane]

i see

[cunning urchin]

How is mine? https://i.imgur.com/zBHKmlC.png

[plain river]

I’m like 99% it’s not about aspect strength though

[vagrant crane]

i assume there's a hestia tier above it

[vagrant crane]

it's 100%, he says in the beginning it's fun factor

[cunning urchin]

I'd only ever put Hestia above Beowulf in mirrorless.

[tight basin]

Croven just got beat lol

[vagrant crane]

mirrorless? strange way to spell any%

[plain river]

I didn’t watch the video just from what I’d heard about the video during a different dicussion when someone tried to argue it was good using Haelian’s tier list as evidence 💀

[tight basin]

By vorime

Vorime got a 4:30

[vagrant crane]

what da hell

[cunning urchin]

Please refer to my aspect tier list.

[tight basin]

You're wrong

[cunning urchin]

@gusty rapids go go go! You can do it!

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-gif-21028004

[vagrant crane]

i think there are some saltwater animals waiting for you

[tight basin]

I think he said he's done with it lmao

[dawn meteor]

why on earth do people consider rocket to be the best aspect for hestia?

[vagrant crane]

rocket is an aspect of hestia???

[plain river]

rocket is just best for every rail

[dawn meteor]

every time i get it i lose

[vagrant crane]

i think that's a skill issue

[plain river]

That can get it*

[dawn meteor]

i mean clearly but still i dont see what makes it better than hazard bomb

[vagrant crane]

clockets

[dawn meteor]

does it become good with boons or something?

[cunning urchin]

The potential for Cluster + Rocket makes it better.

[vagrant crane]

you can't get clazard

[cunning urchin]

Hazard is better than Rocket Bomb on its own.

[vagrant crane]

hazard is better at ap2

or js

[dawn meteor]

even with clockets it feels like only 1 of them actually damages hades

[tight basin]

Get in his face then

[dawn meteor]

i will die

immedeately

[tight basin]

Well then don't

[vagrant crane]

uh

this all qualifies as skill issue

clockets does 400 base if you get in your enemies faces

800 with shackle

[dawn meteor]

yeah but like 3 hits from hades and im dead

[solar siren]

is flurry jab actually good on Achilles or no

[tight basin]

Yes

[vagrant crane]

it's the best hammer

[tight basin]

Best hammer

[solar siren]

O h

[vagrant crane]

achilles is just super annoying

[tight basin]

It's hard to get the hang of

[plain river]

Time to hit and cluster bomb

[vagrant crane]

rocket is also a lot easier to hit

[dawn meteor]

im aware of that which is why im looking for advice on how i can utilize this clearly strong build

[plain river]

Hazard bomb takes 8 years to land

Rocket bomb is quicker then regular bomb

[vagrant crane]

hazard is immensely annoying against like dad

[dawn meteor]

thats why you aim it on hades when he does the lazer thing

[plain river]

Or just

[vagrant crane]

you should be specialing every 2 shots

[plain river]

Aim at hades

[tight basin]

There's prob certain times when he's standing relatively still

[vagrant crane]

or actually

aim where hades will be

thats what they told me to do

[dawn meteor]

kinda hard when hes beaming me

[cunning urchin]

I mean if he's doing beams, you can just stand right on top of him.

[dawn meteor]

you can?

[tight basin]

Yeah

Hug dad

[dawn meteor]

i feel like im being baited into throwing a run

[vagrant crane]

no this is a thing you can do

[plain river]

Your bubble will pop if we’re lying anyway

[solar siren]

wait you can just

do that???

[plain river]

You can just do that

[vagrant crane]

yeah

[tight basin]

It's a legit thing

[solar siren]

i thought your only option was to hide behind the pillars WTF

[plain river]

Or just dash around him

[solar siren]

my life has been a lie

[dawn meteor]

true but i dont wanna spend 20 minutes getting to the fight only to discover that hades isnt in fact huggable

[vagrant crane]

or you can run around at a distance

[plain river]

Hades is in fact huggable

[vagrant crane]

copy your temp save file

[plain river]

Surely there is a gif somewhere

[dawn meteor]

whats that?

[gusty rapids]

https://youtu.be/bpZPZu5u-Uc?t=3908

i found a timestamp

[vagrant crane]

save file for your current run

[gusty rapids]

@dawn meteor that link shows someone standing on top of dad during omnibeam

[solar siren]

a

[cunning urchin]

Croven finding a timestamp in WR time.

[solar siren]

oh damn I got Bad News

[gusty rapids]

if you get very up close theres a lil ring of safety

[vagrant crane]

bad news is global btw

[solar siren]

Bad News with the festive fog duos

gaming

[dawn meteor]

wild

[plain river]

Btw unless you’re on hellmode your bubble will get brought up if you mess up the range

[vagrant crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1072962013342478336/image.png

[dawn meteor]

but why would i want to get that close when i can just hazard bomb from behind the 2 thingies

[solar siren]

Oh my god

[gusty rapids]

you can do that if you want

getting up close generally lets you do more damage quicker than being behind the pillars

but it comes at the cost of some safety ye

[plain river]

Rocket is seen as better just because it’s quicker and can hit cluster bomb for big shotgun

[dawn meteor]

ill try to hug dad next time but if it fails i will be very sad

[plain river]

If it fails that’s an issue with your distance to him

[cunning urchin]

You can use Call for i-frames to get your positioning right without risk.

Not on boonless, of course.

[dawn meteor]

i was just about to mention that

wait does hades's keepsake count as a boon?

[plain river]

Why take Hades keepsake when you could take shackle

[dawn meteor]

i wouldnt im just curious

[gusty rapids]

probably? idk if theres like a super official boonless ruleset

[dawn meteor]

i mean there is a leaderboard

[cunning urchin]

I made official rules the other day.

[vagrant crane]

hades keepsake: get shackle bonus for 5 seconds every so often

[cunning urchin]

Boonless
You may not benefit from any boon in your run. Boons are: boons from the 8 gods, Lord Hermes, Master Chaos, and Bouldy. Sigil of the Dead is technically allowed, but you're not allowed to actually use the Call. Approval Process is not allowed.

[dawn meteor]

nooooooooooooooo

[vagrant crane]

free my man bouldy

[dawn meteor]

a tragedy for the ages

[cunning urchin]

All rules can be found here: #h1-high-heat-strategies message

Also added a link to the rules to the pin in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[dawn meteor]

literally 1984

[cunning urchin]

I mean it's a boon.

[dawn meteor]

that is true

[vagrant crane]

can you put on dad keepsake after getting and selling a call

[gusty rapids]

yea

[dawn meteor]

so the meta for boonless mirrorless is clockets and when lasering you just hug him?

[vagrant crane]

can you put on dad keepsake after getting a call, getting smair, selling the call

[gusty rapids]

is there a meta for boonless mirrorless?

[vagrant crane]

this is just how you play rail

[dawn meteor]

i have never touched the rail outside of boonless mirrorless so i wouldnt know

[vagrant crane]

what

[dawn meteor]

what?

you heard me

i have only ever used the rail when doing boonless mirrorless runs

[vagrant crane]

wild

[dawn meteor]

granted those are the only runs i do but thats beside the point

[plain river]

Thats just the meta for rail in general

[dawn meteor]

so i heard

but as stated previously i have no clue how rail is played outside of boonless mirrorless

[gusty rapids]

tbf thats how you speedrun the rail but idk if that would be most effective for challenge runs like boonless mirrorless

[tight basin]

For boonless mirrorless it's incredibly risky because you don't have any fallback

1 dash and no DD makes it incredibly risky

Obv if you can get it off it's good tho

[cunning urchin]

The meta for boonless mirrorless Hestia is pretty much whatever you and @vagrant crane are doing because ain't nobody else playing that.

[dawn meteor]

why not? its fun

[tight basin]

"fun"

[dawn meteor]

and im not being ironic when i say that

[tight basin]

To each their own lmao

[gusty rapids]

because many people have many different definitions of fun, shockingly enough

[vagrant crane]

it's not particularly fun

[tight basin]

Lmfao

[dawn meteor]

mby not at whatever heat you are doing but 20 heat is pretty fun imo

[vagrant crane]

there are just so many more things that can immediately ruin your run

[cunning urchin]

Only reason I did a boonless mirrorless run again is that jazz is trying to beat my WR.

[vagrant crane]

1 dash means that you can get utterly pwned if you misstep in one of those bp2 fo2 hl7 rooms

ares is a death sentence

[cunning urchin]

Which I hope she doesn't manage because then I have to do it unmodded to get it back.

[vagrant crane]

i put in about

15k attempts

on my hardest gaming achievement

i shant give up

[dawn meteor]

jesus

[tight basin]

Rookie numbers

[dawn meteor]

how do you have the patience for that????????

[tight basin]

Get that to 50k

[vagrant crane]

ive put in 27k on an achievement i havent gotten yet lol

[dawn meteor]

?????????????????????????????????

[vagrant crane]

ithacropolis shall forever elude me

[dawn meteor]

that just seems excessively painful

[vagrant crane]

the shakes you get when you finally beat it though

it's the most vindicating feeling

[dawn meteor]

true that

[vagrant crane]

you've gotten utterly pwned so many times before but you finally did it all the way through

[cunning urchin]

Just get WRs first try or by accident.

[tight basin]

True

[cunning urchin]

@gusty rapids Tidal Dash? Hunter Dash/PP/True Shot > Hunter's Mark? Or just go for Smair? https://i.imgur.com/RCAy2Dk.png

Nice embed fail.

[gusty rapids]

arty i guess, marked pp dash are all good

[plain river]

Hades Dash tbh

[cunning urchin]

Ty ty.

[solar siren]

Could Nemesis aspect also run Hunting Blades with Pressure Points well alongside Heart Rend?

[vagrant crane]

why

[solar siren]

no particular reason? i just wanna see what else I can do with Nemesis

[vagrant crane]

it would probably be easier with ME

[solar siren]

yeah I won’t be able to run both

[tight basin]

i mean anything can run hunting blades technically
its just not recommended because there are better builds for nemesis

and there's better builds for hunting blades

[solar siren]

I’ll just stick to only using Heart Rend and (sometimes) Deadly Reversal then

[tight basin]

cast based duos are generally only gonna be good on castpects

[solar siren]

actually maybe not that either cause I can’t get Reversal with DDash

[tight basin]

well you can

[vagrant crane]

wia twhat

it needs athena strike flourish????

wild

[tight basin]

yeah only those 2

20% global crit chance is good lol

opening it with just ddash would be busted

[solar siren]

I usually just run Aphro special and Artemis attack so unless I get Athena and her special early I can’t run Reversal

it would be busted but I very much so want it to be busted

[tight basin]

what you can do is take aphrodite atk, athena special, and artemis cast

[vagrant crane]

i think aph atk is more common

[tight basin]

you can use heart rend and reversal both

[vagrant crane]

does arty dash work

[tight basin]

no

because it doesnt give crits

[vagrant crane]

right

it should give you 0.5% crit chance

[solar siren]

aphro Atk is more common? thought Artemis Atk would be better for Nemesis

[tight basin]

i'm pretty sure artemis atk is better

[vagrant crane]

oh

[solar siren]

oh

[vagrant crane]

i was told to do aph atk

[solar siren]

this is just for running both duos then

[tight basin]

yeah

for just heart rend only, arty atk is generally better

more crits kinda good

[gusty rapids]

both are fine

[vagrant crane]

oh nvm

[solar siren]

should I try to get both duos?

[vagrant crane]

i think i confused it with zag bow

[tight basin]

i mean if you want lol

it's not practical in most scenarios but it's doable

[gusty rapids]

you dont really need duos on nem, but heart rend is a fun one to go for

deadly reversal doesnt always do a whole lot bc ur crit rate is already quite high

[tight basin]

you also open parting shot if you try to get heart rend and deadly reversal so that might screw you

[vagrant crane]

parting shot 🤮

i think parting shot should only open if you have ddash and passion dash at the same time

[solar siren]

what are some like

underwhelming duos

or just plain bad ones

[tight basin]

unshakable mettle

stubborn roots

exclusive access in styx

sweet nectar in styx

calculated risk

[vagrant crane]

parting shot moment

[tight basin]

parting shot has a niche use

[vagrant crane]

phalanx backstabs right

[tight basin]

on hera

idk about others

but for hera i'm fairly confident it does

[vagrant crane]

the fact that it opens without a cast boon though

[tight basin]

cold embrace is kinda eh because crystal clarity is better

cold fusion is eh in certain scenarios but it does have a use in some cases

freezing vortex is bad because hunting blades exist

curse of longing is bad

unless you want 40 minute runs

[vagrant crane]

the fog duos?

if you're not on a cast build

[tight basin]

eh ice wine is a 30% increase so it's good

and scintillating is just free damage

esp if you get jolted

[solar siren]

what about the poseidon/demeter cast duo? is it good

[tight basin]

it's not bad

it's pretty good on bosses

never generally aim for it tho

[solar siren]

alright

[last dirge]

Well you can aim for it if you just want a fun run

But its yeah not the best duo

[solar siren]

does poseidon even have any good duo boons?

[tight basin]

mirage shot

[last dirge]

Yeah lots

Sea storm

[tight basin]

sea storm is kinda mid and you never really aim for it but it's nice if you get it

CoD kinda sucks but it's good on fists

[last dirge]

Sea storm is just a nice upgrade to tidal dash or the meme keeping the run together

[cunning urchin]

The only "problem" with Blizzard Shot is that Hunting Blades and Crystal Clarity are better Cast builds.

[tight basin]

sweet nectar is good if you get it before elysium

but you dont generally aim for it, it just shows up and you take it because you might as well

[last dirge]

Yeah

[tight basin]

same with exclusive access more or less

[last dirge]

It's a dps increase if you got the right stuff

[cunning urchin]

Sweet Nectar is very common in Crush Shot Hera builds.

[solar siren]

Yeah I think the only duos I’m really gonna aim for are Heart Rend, Merciful End, and Ice Wine

[last dirge]

Even a major one in act 4

[solar siren]

also Hunting Blades and Crystal Clarity

[last dirge]

Because act 4 is really simplified with tidal dash. At least sped up.

[solar siren]

actually which weapons are these generally best on

[tight basin]

achilles

[solar siren]

i never managed to get these to work right

[cunning urchin]

Best Duo Boon overall is Smoldering Air anyway. Put that on anything and you have top tier high heat build.

[tight basin]

just achilles, if you're lazy and dont want to do the raging rush, you can settle for a 50% boost with poseidon instead of the 150% on achilles

[last dirge]

Yeah

[solar siren]

what about Eris?

[tight basin]

i mean

that works

[solar siren]

wait nvm

[tight basin]

but it's 75%

[solar siren]

asked that already and y’all told me to go with Smoldering lol

[tight basin]

also there's better builds on eris lmao

oh you meant eris builds

[last dirge]

Lucifer can be a fun castpect

[tight basin]

not hunting blades or crystal clarity on eris

[tight basin]

that doesn't give you any boosts to casts

[last dirge]

You just use casts to trigger the special

I know

[tight basin]

you can do that with your dash can you not

or like

lightning strike

[last dirge]

Sure

I've just had surprisingly good luck with it when its happened

[solar siren]

what about ME for Eris? or should I only do ME on aspects like Demeter fists

[tight basin]

ME works on eris

[last dirge]

ME is good on lots of stuff

[cunning urchin]

Have you looked at the pinned build guide btw?

[tight basin]

75% free boost is basically epic impending doom without the impending

[vagrant crane]

merciful he(nd)stia

[solar siren]

oh nope I haven’t

lemme look at the website

[last dirge]

Oh yeah it would apply to doom

I dont think I've ever tried ME on Achilles

[cunning urchin]

Merciful End works on anything.

[last dirge]

I wonder if Phalanx Shot can make it work

Yeah

I guess you could just attack too

Flurry jab

[tight basin]

does ME work on arthur

like is it good

[last dirge]

Eh

[vagrant crane]

merciful be(nd)owulf

[last dirge]

Maybe?

[tight basin]

i've done that

it was fun

[cunning urchin]

It's decent enough on Excalibur, yeah.

[tight basin]

it works because phalanx flare does a lot of damage lol

[vagrant crane]

it works because ________ flare does a lot of damage

[tight basin]

icy flare does not do damage

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1019742408189161533/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

[cunning urchin]

Icy Flare heals enemies.

[last dirge]

Same with thunder flare

[tight basin]

thunder flare has the same damage as flood flare

[last dirge]

Unless you get charged

[tight basin]

it just has like

negative aoe

[last dirge]

Yeah

[tight basin]

because it's a lightning bolt

[last dirge]

I've only seen it work with charged

[tight basin]

so it only targets 1 enemy

[vagrant crane]

wouldn't negative aoe wrap back around to being good

[tight basin]

and mirage doesnt work on it

neither do cast damage bonuses

because it isn't a cast

[last dirge]

Then it kinda works on bosses

[tight basin]

it's a lightning bolt

[cunning urchin]

We were talking about Cast boons. Why are you bringing up Thunder Flare?

That's not a Cast.

[tight basin]

the only thing it's got going for it is that you can get every zeus boon in the game to make it good

[solar siren]

is Flurry Slash good for Nemesis? i couldn’t find anything about it on the website

other options I have right now are Piercing Wave and Double Nova

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[solar siren]

oof

I’ll just go with Piercing Wave then

[cunning urchin]

Piercing Wave pretty much the second best hammer after Double Edge.

I wrote a guide specifically for Nemesis here: #h1-for-new-players message

[solar siren]

thanks!

[plain river]

Flurry is one of the 4 negatively affecting sword hammers so it doesn’t get taken outside of meme runs tbh

[solar siren]

what are the other 3 bad hammer upgrades?

[plain river]

Cursed slash, dash nova, and world splitter(only if you accidentally standing strike)

[solar siren]

I’ll make sure to avoid those then

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1073013107477192774/image.png

[plain river]

@tight basin I finally updated it

[tight basin]

lmao nice

[plain river]

it is left to right within the rows for strength

I think that might be self-explanatory but sometimes they're in no particular order so I felt like specifying

[shadow crypt]

So, damage scaling. If I get a +50% damage buff to attack from chaos on top of a +100% damage buff to attack from a boon, am I now dealing +150% base damage, or +200% base damage?

[proper furnace]

+150%

Basically all dmg is additive

[shadow crypt]

Thought as much, thank you. So, chaos (et al) very good with boons that don't give as much bonus damage, not as impactful with like, aphro boons.

Except, I'd imagine, things that refer to base damage being changed, or things that straight up double your abilities (like twin shot)

[proper furnace]

Basically

Crits/move speed/trap dmg/dmg reduction are multi

Crit chance/dodge is additive if you wonder

[shadow crypt]

Good to know, thank you!

[cunning urchin]

Chaos boons always gud.

[shadow crypt]

I mean, also true

Just good to get a sense of how good

[cunning urchin]

Which % boon you have doesn't really change if you want Strike/Lunge from Master Chaos or not. It might change how desperately you want poms or Jerkeys or multiple Strike/Lunge just to hit a baseline you need in like a speedrun, for example.

[dusk quartz]

What are the chances of a duo boon?

[plain river]

12% at base for regular rooms, 10% at base for mini-boss rooms

I think

[dusk quartz]

Ohhhh

That explains a lot

[cunning urchin]

That's very misleading tbh.

[plain river]

Nyaanyaa about to t

It feels wrong to say

But it’s what I’ve been told

I am a parrot rn

Lead me in the right direction

[cunning urchin]

Those numbers are for each slot that can roll duo/legendary, after exchanges and priority boons (including t2 status curses) are rolled.

[plain river]

Aight

[cunning urchin]

The chance with no rarity bonus of getting a Duo/Legendary is 17% when there's only one duo/legendary available. 15% for miniboss rewards.

Minimum chance.

[plain river]

So 12% and 10% are wrong then?

[cunning urchin]

The numbers are correct but misleading as an answer to the question.

[plain river]

That’s still per option rolled right

[cunning urchin]

No.

That's the chance of seeing a duo/legendary in any of the three slots when you still have open priority slots and t2 curses are in the pool.

As in, the lowest chance of seeing a duo/legendary from Lady Artemis, Lady Athena, Lord Zeus, and Poseidon. For the others, the lowest chances are 23% for regular boons and 19% for miniboss boons.

That goes up when all priority slots are filled and t2 curses are out of the pool, and up again by a little bit if no exchanges are possible.

Also goes up if multiple duos/legendaries are in the pool.

[cunning urchin]

@visual surge good starting point if you want to speedrun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI

[visual surge]

Ok thanks

[mortal sapphire]

In one run I got hoarding slash early, and incidentally didn't see charon much (or didn't see things worth buying) and then started growing a good sum of coins... on top of that the first chaos gate after the hammer I got the +70% coin.... and ended up having some ~1700 and I felt like it helped sliced through things like butter... But I guess for normal runs you won't have that much coin...

[mortal sapphire]

Not saying this is a useful build 😛 Just a newbie remembering one weird run

[tight basin]

the 5% added damage is slapped on top of everything else, so it doesn't get any other modifier from other gods lol

[mortal sapphire]

But +85 per hit is 85.....

Anyway, not disputing the tier list at all - just recalling a fun experience haha

[tight basin]

true i guess but could get more than 85 damage from other things lol

if you spent the gold

[mortal sapphire]

Could be..... as I said - newbie here 😉

[olive zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/820856028321021982/1073100067331919903/image.png

would this help more for hera bow

[tight basin]

wouldn't matter tbh since the bulk of your damage is from crush shot

hunter dash doesnt open mirage, divine dash probably opens parting shot which can be useful at times

i'm assuming this is crush shot actually lol

[olive zinc]

true, but i was thinking like you dash strike more with the bow for faster charge but athena's deflect on dash is really helping against things with lots projectiles and i have deflect make enemies expose boon too

[olive zinc]

yeah

level 6 crush shot with sweet nectar duo

[cunning urchin]

Piercing Wave very possibly doing more than 85 in AOE damage a lot of the time.

[tight basin]

lmao

[tight basin]

i'd honestly just keep ddash for safety

[cunning urchin]

I'd swap that in a heartbeat.

Hunter Dash is good on Hera.

[tight basin]

exposed isn't doing too much here either unless you get parting shot and happen to get that cast back stab

oh really lmao

[vagrant crane]

where flurry‼️

[cunning urchin]

It's either Hunter Dash or Tidal Dash.

[olive zinc]

parting shot is a duo right what gods duo is it

[vagrant crane]

aph athena

[cunning urchin]

That said, I wouldn't swap over taking Deadly Strike or Hunter's Mark or Pressure Points.

[olive zinc]

hermes didnt give me it sadly gave me greater reflex and quick reload instead

[tight basin]

that's a hammer

[cunning urchin]

Flurry Shot. Hammer.

[tight basin]

greater reflex and quick reload from hermes is great

[cunning urchin]

Flurry Cast from Lord Hermes isn't available when using Hera.

[olive zinc]

oh its hammer

oh i always confuse those 2

ima just keep ddash for now for some safety and try getting parting shot

[tight basin]

parting shot is by no means necessary btw

it's just something you happen to see and go "oh neat sure i guess i'll take that"

[olive zinc]

wait i can get the artemis legendary boon if i were to take exit wound cuz i have pressure point i am gonna hope i can get a legendary

[tight basin]

that works too

idk how late into ely you are, but you'll have to get pretty lucky to see artemis again and get her legendary lol

[olive zinc]

I am still in asphodel just beat lernie

[tight basin]

wait why did i think you got your second hammer lmao

[vagrant crane]

silly goose

[solar siren]

what’s the best hidden aspect I should build and focus on first among the others?

[tight basin]

beowulf

although its strength isn't really in levels

[solar siren]

I’ll find out how to unlock that on my own since I don’t have it right now

only have Guan Yu and Arthur unlocked

[plain river]

Tbh outside of meme runs, having that many obols is impractical as using them to buy boons/hearts/poms/well items goes a lot farther then the extra damage that hoarding slash adds after all the other damage calculations

But also getting absurd amount of obols isn’t too impossible, just impractical https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1065503567785504789/IMG_2793.jpg

[gilded wedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/923352922258046976/1064685557638238298/IMG_3420.png

total impractical extreme, sold all my boons and def struggled in styx

[last dirge]

Rama is very good as well. Arthur will work fine too.

Rama also supports meme builds that are actually good. You get the +4 special arrows hammer and Zeus special. Rama has a rapid fire chip dmg and status spread special, but a massive charged attack.

The status makes all suffering from the status take X% of the attack dmg

It will take a while to get used to playing it with attack, but its worth it unless you just want to focus on Beo for speedruns

Oh and the special ricochets

That's why it's so good with some special boons.

It's very rapid and ricochets like chain lightning, so statuses, bolts, anything that can trigger multiple times or stack, will do very well.

For attack really just do Aphrodite mostly. Then maybe you get Smouldering Air.

[atomic seal]

is it me or no one else has noticed how powerful demeter's cast is?

[proper furnace]

It can be good but needs lot of boons to make it shine

[proven osprey]

no one else

[rose pelican]

I'm a beam believer

[mighty veldt]

the artemis+demeter duo cast + chill cast + explosion on max chill is certifiably insane

if you get auto reload its literally free

game plays itself

[solar siren]

so if I’m going the Zeus Shield with Zeus on special, what should I put on attack?

[proper furnace]

Aphro works if you take zeus call

Opens smoldering air

And also weak in general good

[solar siren]

oh yeah I could go that route

[valid dagger]

Just about anything is fine, but yea I'd prefer Weak or Chill

[solar siren]

Demeter sounds good too, especially with Pulverizing Blow

Constant chill and jolted procs

even better with Cold Fusion

[valid dagger]

Artemis + Infernal opens up Lightning Rod which is also great

[solar siren]

how exactly do you use Lightning Rod? I don’t really get it

[valid dagger]

Cold Fusion wont do much in such a build since it's so safe and easy to apply Jolted through your Special

Just throw your casts

And dont pick them back up

[sacred crypt]

dont pick up your stones when they drop

[valid dagger]

They'll strike enemies with lightning

And apply things like Jolted

[solar siren]

oooh

[valid dagger]

They get buffed by everything from zeus pretty much

[tight basin]

Splitting rod

[proper furnace]

R o d my beloved

[solar siren]

I forgot to switch out Stygian so next run I’ll do that

for now I’ll just do Smoldering Air

because my eyes have been open to how broken it can be

[valid dagger]

Yea there's a lot of options to go for when your wep only really needs 1 core.

[sacred crypt]

If you stand on the bottom right side of the northmost pillar in the final fight and throw them into the pillar you have a pretty good setup spot for them

[proper furnace]

The optimal rod usage is using aphro cast

You can put them anywhere you want with the short range

[solar siren]

First time I did Smoldering was with Aphro call

probably not the best one but it’s funny to constantly charm everything

[proper furnace]

Anything that is not arte call works basically

[olive zinc]

I wish aid was a core boon so you could replace it with something else

[proper furnace]

And sigil of the dad, ig

[valid dagger]

It is a core boon

Just not a priority boon

[olive zinc]

oh sad

[solar siren]

could I do both Lightning Rod and Smoldering Air for Zeus Shield or should I just focus on one duo boon?

I have the option to go either Artemis Atk or cast right now

[valid dagger]

If the rng cooperates you can do both. But you never shoot for both right off the start because most times you cant get them.

[solar siren]

Alright

…I just got Lightning Rod like 6 chambers in

[tight basin]

lmfao

as one does

[sacred crypt]

Or you get lucky and get a your duo boon in the third room, including starting room

[solar siren]

I now have lightning rod and aphro cast all before the furies

the rng has cooperated very nicely with me

[sacred crypt]

Congrat!

[next oriole]

best hammer 4 beowulf?

[vagrant crane]

cshot

[next oriole]

kewll
outta unyielding defense, sudden rush, and empowering flight, what would u recommend

[vagrant crane]

i would do sudden rush but i don't play beo often

idk how unyielding defense is

that's the one that makes you sturdy right

[next oriole]

ill go for sudden rush
just so itll b easier to execute cshot

ya

[vagrant crane]

ok

[tight basin]

yeah sudden is next best

[tight basin]

also btw, charaged shot is the best hammer for every shield lmao
the only exception is explosive return on zeus shield

[next oriole]

true shot has adamantly refused to appear for me so restart it is

wait. casts for beowulf change dont they
i may be stupid

[acoustic skiff]

yeah you can't get true shot with beo

[cunning urchin]

Charged Shot still pretty much the best for Zeus until extremely high heats.

[tight basin]

Oh lmao

[olive zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/820856028321021982/1073341912246923396/image.png

I accidently made an op jolted dio curse build. I have eternal chamber with drunken attack from dio does so much damage, I 2k crit once on a normal dude because of double strike. one of my best runs

[solar siren]

Can Mirage Shot and Hunting Blades work in the same build? Like are they actually compatible and don’t lock each other out within the game?

[cunning urchin]

You can get both, yeah.

[solar siren]

okay good

double Hunting Blade cast gaming

[gusty rapids]

yeah its pretty sick

[solar siren]

oh my god

the damage is disgusting

AND I GOT VICIOUS CYCLE TOO H A H

[ruby siren]

#self-promotion message uploaded a new run, would love advice/commentary on my build/playing etc 💜 much love

[cunning urchin]

Regarding advice, there's not really much to say if you just played casually on 0 Heat for fun and easily won.

If you actually want to improve and find advice for that, you'll need to push well out of your comfort zone and challenge yourself.

[tight basin]

Either higher heat or speedrunning

That's generally where most of the advice is gonna take place

Ofc we can give mirror and pact set up help tho

I guess boon choices and door choices from watching

[cunning urchin]

Thing is there was 0 chance of you losing the run, and clear speed clearly wasn't a relevant factor for you. So... there's nothing I can say that would improve your chances of winning beyond 100%.

Bone Hourglass is pretty much always great in Elysium btw, no matter the build. Sometimes other keepsakes can be better there, but it's always among the best options.

Nyaanyaa's Keepsake Guide https://i.imgur.com/drDxPhr.png

[karmic hare]

Noob question but can you only equip one Keepsake at a time?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah. You can switch keepsakes between biomes.

The large ones at the bottom are Chthonic Companions. Can only equip one per run and can't switch them.

[karmic hare]

Thank you Nyaanyaa

[tender geode]

@cunning urchin whats the best loadout for a boonless run? for hestia ofc

[cunning urchin]

Wdym best loadout?

Shackle for damage lol.

[tender geode]

I play too much fortnite

[cunning urchin]

And then just stack HP and Well items.

Hope for Ricochet Fire, Hazard Bomb, Rocket Bomb, Cluster Bomb. Any of those will be decent.

[tender geode]

kk

[cobalt wadi]

why are dusa and antos considered better than meg at high heat?

also ive just picked up cshot in a trippy flare build and my damage had gone down for the flare itself

does the pom bug only work without cshot?

[valid dagger]

No correlation

[valid dagger]

They are not

Dusa has a niche use for Erebus and EM4 but you'll suffer with every other miniboss. Antos is solid and the main thing with it is that you can use it on Furies. At High Heat it can be pretty tough to get past furies (mainly on melee aspects)

You'll struggle with other minibosses tho and it's not as great against Heroes

[cobalt wadi]

how can u use antos on furies- theres only one target?

am i missing somthing

[valid dagger]

It'll hit the same target twice

It's actually better against 1 target

[cobalt wadi]

i see-

[valid dagger]

It's pretty nice against Sneak

Because one hit strips armor and other kills it

So you basically dont do anything

But you gotta time it well

Which is the tough part 🗿

[cobalt wadi]

i assume meg is used over antos cuz it can hit more stuff?

[valid dagger]

Yea Meg is overall better. It's also a bit faster and that can make a difference sometimes.

The big aoe is also important

Antos cant do witches circle

It's just kinda nicer and more consistent

[cobalt wadi]

i see

thank u

[valid dagger]

There is a guide to hitting the Megs. Once you get it down it's pretty easy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Iovk-sbe8

And this is a diagram for the 4 witches circle https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523766792963751936/781098230372106260/Screenshot_199.png

Just mirror it if you come from the other side

[long forum]

Just came across it and had to ask: Is mirage shot good on Beowulf?

[steel birch]

Yes. It bug on Beowulf. The secondary shot deal 100% damage instead of 30% like it suppose to.

[cunning urchin]

The keepsakes labeled speedrun or high heat aren't necessarily better than the core ones, just means that's the only context they're really used in at high level.

[turbid needle]

someone hit me with some good zeus shield builds

[plain river]

Zeus on special

Find static discharge and pom it

Done

[next oriole]

question: if i replace a boon that got me a duo with a different boon, will the duo disappear
(wanna replace pos attack for something but i have mirage shot)

[vagrant crane]

no

[next oriole]

kewl ty

[tight basin]

The only time a duo boon will be nullified if you sell the boon the duo is based on

Like hunting blades or lighting phalanx

Or if your only source of knockback for sea storm was flood shot and you sold flood shot

[next oriole]

oo i see

hm...what specials r good on achilles spear

[wary adder]

if ive got a good attack and special on rama in tart what keepsake should i take into aspho

[cunning urchin]

Idk what Attack and Special boons do you have and what's your god pool now?

Probably Adamant Arrowhead for Hunter Dash.

[wary adder]

aphro attack
dio special

for speed not heat btw

[cunning urchin]

Hunter Dash sounds good, yeah.

Pressure Points also good.

[wary adder]

👍

[tight basin]

most of the time, the special is just filler for any other god that you want a duo for

like the speedrunning build for achilles is ideally
start tidal dash, get ares cast, preferably artemis atk but if you get the special it's whatever

[solar siren]

Can I get Mirage Shot with Artemis Atk and Poseidon dash, even if I only have Dionysus on cast?

[plain river]

yes

mirage shot works w/ any cast (bar thunder flare I believe)

[gilded wedge]

you can check duo prerequisites in the codex assuming you’ve unlocked that

[solar siren]

okay good

I’m just unlucky then

[tight basin]

well you can get it with thunder flare

it just wont do anything for you lol

[plain river]

I said

Works

[tight basin]

that's fair

[plain river]

Which

Is misleading tbf

[tight basin]

thunder flare is a scam

it's not even a flare

it's just a glorified flourish

[plain river]

Thunder flare is actually just lightning reflexes the cast

In a priority slot

[vagrant crane]

if you get mirage shot and sell your cast on beo does it still deal full

[tight basin]

yeah it still works

[plain river]

Yeah

[tight basin]

i did shackle beo at 40 with mirage

[plain river]

Double base cast

Still better then icy

[tight basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1025669359370252318/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

[vagrant crane]

2 sack 🤤

[tight basin]

yeah lmao

[vagrant crane]

why, i haven't seen a 2 sack since I was a young lass...

[tight basin]

this is why we actually use the mod

[plain river]

It’s a 52% chance each time for 2 sack, it’s harder then not to not see them

[vagrant crane]

the 5 sack in question:

also than*

[hearty flare]

would you recommend getting beowulf shield or arthur sword as first hidden aspect? i beat the game with the unupgraded shield once (my only clear)

[plain river]

I would recommend getting guan-yu as your first one seeing as you can’t get of the others until you have it unlocked

[hearty flare]

ah, i thought its enought that i have it available for purchase? do i have to buy it too?

wiki says that it does not have to be purchased, only revealed

[proper furnace]

Honestly both are fun to get, arthur is just comfy and beo is broken beyond belief

[plain river]

That’s enough

Sorry if I was unclear I realise I worded that badly

[tight basin]

beowulf

arthur is also good and a lot of people tend to like it, but beowulf is a lot stronger

[hearty flare]

am i correct to say that demeter just kinda sucks? also her duo with aphrodite is utter garbage in my experience

her dash is also pretty bad

[valid dagger]

Just like every god she has good stuff and bad stuff. She is not any better or worse than other gods. Snow Burst and Ravenous Will are very good boons on Cast builds. Even worse forcing for some, like on Hera. Her Attack and Special are solid with the high rarity on things like Eris Special/Rama Attack etc. The Cast is good with Achilles mainly, needs a few things to get going but it's worth it. The Dash and Call are mediocre at best. Worth noting that Chill also unlocks Killing Freeze, one of her best boons if you can apply Chill reliably on enemies.

Also

Her Duo with Aphrodite is indeed trash

[hearty flare]

literally a downgrade, would rather use no boon cast

[tight basin]

meme beams can be pretty strong once you get the things going

which is why you get crystal clarity instead of cold embrace lol

also dash is pretty garbage, but it's one of the better dashes to use to proc pstatus in a pinch

not exactly garbage actually, but def not preferred

chill is really nice tho

[silent blaze]

Its good on rama attack ?

I thought what was good was big% increase

I dont rlly see how you can aplly chill with rama's attack

[tight basin]

well demeter has a decent % on it

aphrodite is a lot better, but an epic frost strike isn't bad

[silent blaze]

I see

[next oriole]

what r the best casts for beo

[vagrant crane]

icy flare

[cunning urchin]

Flood Flare for speed, Passion Flare for Heat.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/edit#heading=h.cgtoct74w4bk

[lucid oar]

[tight basin]

It has just occurred to me that I've never read the speedrunning guide for beo

But I've read the Achilles one like 3 times and hestia twice

[mortal sapphire]

Btw someone posted a picture of keepsakes/companions and their uses, like high heat / speed, etc., but I'm not having any luck in my attempt to search for them. Can anyone link it again?

[tight basin]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ijNxBxiYT2BDow7faPIfSBMz9FX5cg2UyQtKwY36I6Y/https/i.imgur.com/drDxPhr.png?width=1289&height=670

[mortal sapphire]

This was it! Thanks 🙂

[eternal canyon]

whats core?

[mortal sapphire]

Does Sudden Rush also help dragon rush charge speed?

[cunning urchin]

Used anywhere.

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[eternal canyon]

What are the things at the bottom?

[gilded wedge]

You unlock them after 6+ hearts with certain characters

[tawny grove]

no actually than is S bc you use him in the charon loyalty card% route

[tight basin]

Based

[proven osprey]

Than has its uses in high heat

[hearty flare]

which is the best shield aspect excluding beowulf? i have to spend some blood on the shield (to get beowulf) and i would prefer not to waste it

[proper furnace]

Zeus, but zag shield is cheap

[hearty flare]

thanks

for a zeus shield build, is it better to get zeus or poseidon (with sea storm) on as many slots as possible?

[proper furnace]

Zeus^2

Special, then go for jolted and pom it

If you take zeus call, aphro for smair works

Double bolt/high viltage into splitting blt is nice if it pays out

[hearty flare]

wdym by "smair works"? sorry im still rather new

[lucid oar]

Smouldering air

[hearty flare]

ah i see, thanks

[lucid oar]

Aphro/Zeus duo

[hearty flare]

yeah i see it now

which aphrodite boon should i get for smair? not quite sure which would work with zeus shield

[lucid oar]

Attack

[hearty flare]

alright, thx

[opal trench]

hey if I have reduced dash range, does it also make the animation shorter, thus allowing me to dash more frequently?

that would be helpful for dash only runs right? coz then like you'd dash more often thus trigger dash effects more often

and also you'd end up closer to the thing youre tryna kill

[plain river]

I believe not

[hearty flare]

any advice or key boons for beowulf? also, how does loading casts work? do i just go for the biggest damage cast or what?

also, can beowulf buffed charge trigger artemis exit wounds? i dont think so but im not sure

Also, prioritize amount over damage of casts, correct? And would that hermes magnet legendary be a good idea?

[plain river]

Yes, no

[plain river]

Flood flare and passion flare are 2 casts of note, flood flare for aoe and access to mirage shot which is bugged on beo to be 100%, and passion flare because it has big base damage and just works

Trippy flare is also notable but you want to run stygian and really really rely on finding more casts for it

[opal trench]

what about divine flare?

it has high base as well right?

although flood flare might be better due to mirage and sea storm

[valid dagger]

It has ok damage but very small aoe

[opal trench]

no the bloodstones dont stick in enemies

[valid dagger]

Just inferior to Passion and Flood in every scenario

[valid dagger]

You cant get Exit Wounds on Beowulf, incompatible.

But yea they don't lodge in enemies anyway.

[plain river]

They load like how hera loads

[hearty flare]

i just did a run today with poseidon sword paired with flood shot and exit wounds and i was totally slaying. too bad i couldnt sea storm on top but it was still just fine

so thats why i asked, but that would be far too broken lmao

[plain river]

It wouldn’t be broken at all

[hearty flare]

well, it would be free damage

like min 300 free damage

[valid dagger]

Exit Wounds is mediocre at best. It's probably best on Poseidon Sword but even then it's only really noticeable when your actual Cast damage is too low so it doesnt one shot enemies.

[plain river]

It should only be extra boss damage

[hearty flare]

well, low cast or not, it helps with bosses

[valid dagger]

Yea it does like 5% of your total damage

[tight basin]

more casts vs cast damage depends on the situation
you want to get an extra cast asap from chaos, so if it's common shot vs grasp, take the grasp. you'd only consider taking shot if it's rare+.
after your fourth cast, you can either get another grasp but a common shot is also good at this point.
on the other hand, if your first chaos offers you a shot, i wouldn't get greedy and roll for a shot. just take the bonus and go with it

hermes legendary is largely unnecessary tbh, it's nice ofc but you can only get it by using hermes' keepsake

it's better to just stick to the standard hermes of hyper sprint + rush delivery or more dashes

[hearty flare]

so im doing a beowulf run. its going horribly, hydra almost killed me etc etc, no luck at all with anything, and now in the shop before theseus, i have to choose between epic poseidon attack, sea storm and mirage shot

fml

[tight basin]

mirage shot easily

mirage shot literally doubles your damage

sea storm doesn't proc on flood flare either

[hearty flare]

yea thats what i was thinking too, im just kinda ranting i guess

[tight basin]

pos atk isn't as much as mirage shot ever

also pos atk kinda sucks

[hearty flare]

also had to choose between a hammer and patrocles (chose patrocles ofc) and then 1 room later i got another hammer

this run has been quite something so far

[tight basin]

lmao it do be like that

[hearty flare]

but ofcourse when im set up to be able to get like a legendary and 3 duos, i get damn commons

[lucid oar]

Mirage shot is the best duo in the game for beowulf

Commons are fine

[tight basin]

beowulf doesn't care about boon rarity other than mirage shot and rush delivery lol

[lucid oar]

I’d rather have all commons + mirage than all epics and no mirage

[tight basin]

i'd rather have only mirage than all epics and no mirage

[lucid oar]

Mirage shackle cast 🧠

[plain river]

Still better then icy

[hearty flare]

damn, i just got wiped by theseus (while i had mirage shot)

[lucid oar]

True

[hearty flare]

i cant stay alive with beowulf

died like 5 times this run lmao

any tips to not get rekt with it?

[tight basin]

dash strike into the dragon rush

[hearty flare]

hmm good idea, didnt really do that

i guess i just kinda stood in front of the enemy waiting to launch the charge attack

probably not the best idea

[tight basin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/edit#heading=h.cgtoct74w4bk

i know it's for speedrunning, but it should help a lot for just general gameplay

there's a part for just "gameplay" that you can read through

it's on the 2nd and 3rd page

[next oriole]

twin shot, relentless volley, or repulse shot for rama

[plain river]

Twinshot

[next oriole]

tempting
but relentless volley is also tempting

[tight basin]

twin shot doubles your dps

unless you're doing special only

if you're doing special only, then relentless works but also bruh

[lucid oar]

Relentless makes the special go from 15 to 35 damage (op)

[cunning urchin]

I was told on reddit that Black Shawl is good for DPS on Hestia. Black Shawl is +20%. 15 to 35 is +20. Coincidence? I think not.

[lucid oar]

True

[cunning urchin]

I like when Black Shawl changes my breakpoints from 3 shots to kill to 3 shots to kill.

[vagrant crane]

distant memory is great on hestia too

[plain river]

Distant memory is overpowered on gilgamesh tbh

[cunning urchin]

Yeah because you want to run away after inflicting Maim anyway because everything hits so hard.

[solar siren]

Which aspect should I prioritize upgrading first: Lucifer, Chiron or Achilles?

[cunning urchin]

Whichever one you like best.

Chiron needs high level to be good. The others work well at lower levels, too.

[quick dust]

Fists, aspect of Gilgamesh
Curse of pain (ares special)
Heartbreak Strike (Aphrodite attack)
Curse of longing (aph + ares duo)
Divine dash (You know what this is)
Artemis Call
Lots of damage output + speed. My best time with this build is 17:34

[vagrant crane]

So true

[vagrant crane]

Lvl1 super soaker

[solar siren]

the what

[tight basin]

isn't curse of longing largely useless if you keep reapplying doom

[vagrant crane]

i mean

yeah

[tight basin]

oh wait it's ares special

i misread this

i mean i guess sure

[vagrant crane]

i feel like

you're getting like about impending damage

but with a way longer impending

idk why the arty call is in there

[tight basin]

how much bonus damage does maim give you

like 25%?

[vagrant crane]

yeah

25%

[quick dust]

Bcuz i didnt know what other Call to do 😭

[vagrant crane]

you don't necessarily need a call

[quick dust]

Yeah 25

[tight basin]

ngl the theory behind the build isn't bad

[vagrant crane]

it's just that it's gilgamesh

[tight basin]

well that

yeah that's the largest issue lol

[vagrant crane]

and also col

[tight basin]

also the fact that merciful end exists

granted it's harder to get going

but CoL kinda eh, but i can see it sorta working here

[vagrant crane]

it will, given sufficient time, come out to about doubling your doom damage

but it'll take longer than impending

ig it stacks with impending

so yeah i suppose the biggest issue is just that of gilga being gilga

[quick dust]

True, im pretty sure, if I remember correctly that there is some boom that makes doom faster? I could be wrong tho

[tight basin]

yeah lmao the fact that it's gilga is holding it back

[vagrant crane]

ME?

[tight basin]

nope

well

ME yeah

[vagrant crane]

are you thinking of ares dio duo

[quick dust]

I might be

[vagrant crane]

that increases hangover frequency

[tight basin]

but regarding normal boons, nothing makes doom drop faster

[quick dust]

Hold on lemme search it rq

[tight basin]

impending makes it take .5 sec longer

[vagrant crane]

for fat damage

[tight basin]

but it gives you more than 50% increased damage iirc

[vagrant crane]

it's 70% at common isn't it

[tight basin]

60%

[vagrant crane]

or is that rare

oh

[quick dust]

Yeah I was thinking of Ares dio Duo

[proper furnace]

70% is epic

[vagrant crane]

oh

it increases by 5%

why does it increase by 5% with rarity when a pom is like 20%

[tight basin]

that makes hangover tick faster lol

[proper furnace]

Cuz funny

Ig

[tight basin]

i'm not complaining when doom pom scaling sucks

[quick dust]

Ok there is also dire misfortune, that coupled with impending doom could be a lot of damage output

[quick dust]

Yeah I realized that 😭

[tight basin]

dire misfortunate kinda not necessary for any ME build

[vagrant crane]

dire misfortune moment

[gilded wedge]

is dire misfortune ever actually good?

[proper furnace]

Is fun

Wouldnt call it good

[vagrant crane]

i can't imagine it being

[tight basin]

chiron and luci hehehe

[vagrant crane]

even on like eternal chamber luci

it's just eh

probably

[tight basin]

it's funny tho

[quick dust]

It is very fun, not useful in most situations tho

It’s very funny yes

[proper furnace]

Funny if you just wanna see a big doom

[tight basin]

with fists you can get it to stack a bit higher inbetween dashes but you never really aim for it

it's just like "oh sure might as well"

[vagrant crane]

oh boy, extra 36 doom damage

[quick dust]

True, also probably one of the only times that gilga is actually “good” with the multiple dashs

Idk i always liked the gilga fists tho

[tight basin]

ME on gilga is slower than the other fists lol

[vagrant crane]

gilga +3 dashes

sounds funny

teleport across room

[tight basin]

tbf i haven't watched the modded run to see if it was just unlucky rng, but there's been a few people who've been grinding for sub6 gilga so i doubt it

[quick dust]

Mix it with The Hermes dash boon, and you’ll be in lava even more than you usually would be 😭

[lucid oar]

1 lol

[tight basin]

i would simply not step in magma

[tight basin]

oh is it just 1 lmao

[quick dust]

Ykw that’s true

[tight basin]

i thought there were like 2 or 3

[lucid oar]

Ananke stopped before new year

[tight basin]

that's unfortunate

oh rip

ananke's good

[quick dust]

Damn so I’m just alone on the gilga fists 😭😭

[tight basin]

nah a lot of people enjoy gilga

it's just not good lol

[vagrant crane]

the chaos in question:

[proper furnace]

Quoting the phrase of the year

[quick dust]

Fair, i Just like goin across the room at lightspeeds

[proper furnace]

Top 24 aspect

[tight basin]

top 24 aspect

[quick dust]

😭

[proper furnace]

use achilles

[quick dust]

I dont really like the spear tbh, i could never get the hang of it idk

[vagrant crane]

it's like

the spears where you play spear are bad

[torn rune]

I just unlocked aspect of Arthur, is it good?

[proper furnace]

Get the right hammer or cry: the weapon

[vagrant crane]

achilles and guan yu are pretty good

[proper furnace]

Ye

[vagrant crane]

yeah

[quick dust]

Yeah I can see it LMAOO

[quick dust]

From my experience yes

[vagrant crane]

the charged skewer in question:

[proper furnace]

Or exploding + charged

[torn rune]

My personal favorite build is aspect of beowulf with ares cast

[proper furnace]

An actual slicing flare fan

[vagrant crane]

i think this is a psyop

[quick dust]

I Need to use beowulf more often

[vagrant crane]

just use hestia

[quick dust]

I think I Just Need to use the shield more often

[proper furnace]

Shield comfy

[torn rune]

Shield is the only weapon I’ve beaten the game with

[quick dust]

To give y’all an idea of how I play Hades, all of the weapons are below 5,000 kills. The fists are at 16,000 😭😭

[torn rune]

Lasers are mean

[quick dust]

I have 300 completed runs as well 😭

[quick dust]

I hate Lasers with a Passion

[gilded wedge]

I can't remember the last time I looked at how many kills my weapons have

[proper furnace]

Lasers are chill

[stiff lotus]

hi! I’m not sure if this is the right channel so lmk if it isn’t but I’m having a lot of trouble with Styx and wondered if anyone had advice? I have god mode on so I can consistently get to Styx but I lose so much health when I’m there and have a really hard time. I usually use the spear (Achilles) but am currently using the rail (zag).

[vagrant crane]

take miniboss rooms first

[stiff lotus]

the ones with the skull right?

[vagrant crane]

yes

those end chambers are generally a lot easier

and quicker

[gilded wedge]

tidal dash and breaking wave are really good in styx (although obviously you can't get ddash)

[grave valve]

Anyone have tips for the railgun, it’s my least proficient weapon

[vagrant crane]

HESTIA 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[stiff lotus]

I do have tidal dash currently

[stiff lotus]

that’s good to know thanks! I’ve been avoiding them so I’ll try that

[grave valve]

Which one is that, the manual reload?

[vagrant crane]

yeah

you reload manually and next shot has 150 base

[grave valve]

Oh wow

[vagrant crane]

and has 50% extra range

[grave valve]

I’ve been using Eris and it’s not hitting for me

[vagrant crane]

i dont get eris either

kinda weird

zagrail with spread fire is fun

[proper furnace]

Eris is also busted fwiw lol

[vagrant crane]

yeah