#h1-builds-and-combat
valid dagger
Wells and Chaos are more reliable than Artemis Legendary
Also I’d rather have deadly strike
And wouldnt go out of my way to pick Support fire over Mark
cunning urchin
Support Fire is basically cope pick, and then you might pick up Fully Loaded because you already got Support Fire anyway.
mighty veldt
imagine i get like +5 cast ammo
valid dagger
You don’t really need a Dem core in this build, the whole point of it in that ss is Ice Wine which is not amazing, it just adds a delay. If you do come across Demeter take Snow Burst or Ravenous Will
cunning urchin
Artemis' Aid also very greedy for poms and bad at low levels.
Only Call you might wanna pick up is Zeus' Aid, but 9/10 times you want to keep that slot open for potentially Sigil of the Dead in Styx and maybe Elysium.
lucid oar
That adds a lot of duos to the pool
valid dagger
Realistically
lucid oar
Sweet nectar
valid dagger
If you get Poseidon and Artemis and Mirage you’re doing really well
Trying for 7 duo boons and 5 gods is gonna be rng hell
mighty veldt
yeah probably
i didnt really consider
swapping out trippy flare
like dionysis is doing nothing for me now that demeter/zeus is gone
is it the highest base dmg
gilded wedge
I feel like somehow this will reverse engineer its way into crush shot
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike, Trippy Flare, Tidal Dash
These are basically the only cores you want for Trippy Flare Hera, ideally. BiS for the build, best change for Mirage Shot, and no unnecessary pommables that hurt your chances of landing poms on Trippy Flare (or Tidal Dash and Hunter's Mark).
mighty veldt
I feel like somehow this will reverse engineer its way into crush shot
shhh
valid dagger
Btw how do you get to display boons like that, neat way to show a build
mighty veldt
valid dagger
Ty
mighty veldt
is there a good mobile alternative
cunning urchin
like dionysis is doing nothing for me now that demeter/zeus is gone
It's the other way around. Those two don't really do anywhere near as much as you think for Trippy Flare. Ice Wine adds delay, and Scintillating Feast does damage after your Cast already dropped... but you want your enemy to be dead by then. Scintillating Feast still kinda nice, though, but much lower priority than Mirage Shot.
lucid oar
Honestly scint feast isn’t terrible in elysium, helps clean up the exalted souls
I’d probably rather not have it tho
mighty veldt
scintillating feast/cold fusion/ice wine kind of destroyed hades first time i tried it
espc second phase when he just stands still for it lol
cunning urchin
Trippy Flare has ridiculous pom scaling (poms on it are bugged to give twice of what the text shows), so that's like... all you really need on it. Major drawback is that you really really want to find at minimum one Grasp from Master Chaos to make it work. So you'll get some runs where you just don't find a Grasp or even a Prometheus Stone.
valid dagger
Poms bugged on Beo only
cunning urchin
Oh right. Mirage Shot was the one that's still bugged on Hera for Flares.
100% damage instead of 30%.
mighty veldt
oh exclusive access + chaos ammo is just more than the artemis leg
mighty veldt
even at higher rarity?
cunning urchin
Yeah. Would be broken if it wasn't lol.
cunning urchin
They nerfed Fully Loaded from +3 to +2 and made it pretty difficult to get just because of how strong it is. Imagine if Master Chaos could just give you +3 ammo in Tartarus lmao.
lucid oar
Common 30-40 rare 40-60 epic 60-80
mighty veldt
They nerfed Fully Loaded from +3 to +2 and made it pretty difficult to get just ...
ok true but other rougelike games have way insane gamebreaks like that
lucid oar
I got an epic 60% shot yesterday 
mighty veldt
like doing 1m dmg in a single shot is an achievement in risk of rain XD
lucid oar
No boss has 1m hp in hades tho
cunning urchin
Shoutouts to Feb 2019 patch.
lucid oar
The equivalent is one shotting em4 p3
mighty veldt
no but neither does risk of rain
cunning urchin
- Grasp (Chaos): now scales with rarity
mighty veldt
> + Grasp (Chaos): now scales with rarity
wait real
lucid oar
I’m pretty sure it does if you loop? Idk been a while
mighty veldt
> + Grasp (Chaos): reduced max. possible bonus
sad!
cunning urchin
That didn't last long. 
lucid oar
Boutta rock up to dad with 15 stones
cunning urchin
lmao
cunning urchin
Way before lol.
cunning urchin
So it would have been pos sword true shot
Idk if that was already a thing then. I started in Dec 2019.
mighty veldt
deadly shot probably better for average run
but in case of heart rend crit big damage
i see why crush shot is the go-to
lucid oar
Flood flare beowulf has like 4 Olympian boons here
lucid oar
Yeah
mighty veldt
neat
at some point i wanna like
make cool builds with every duo boon
like the aphrodite zeus duo could be super fun with something like Poseidon call
valid dagger
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608879601577361451/1069566607468277760/im...
You really don’t want Deadly Strike
mighty veldt
one of my friends just got the game and is interested in lightning rod
mighty veldt
You really don’t want Deadly Strike <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
but potential big dmg number with heart rend applying weak first
i will play the slot machine
lucid oar
I think Mike meant to say heartbreak
mighty veldt
if you're not are you really playing a rougelike
i will invoke the spirit of gamba as often as i can
cunning urchin
I think Mike meant to say heartbreak
I think MiKE means DeputyDevil is really going out of his way to avoid putting Deadly Strike there lol.
lucid oar
Ahh
mighty veldt
me and my homies HATE deadly strike
(actually he hasnt done a run without it since he unlocked artemis keepsake)
lucid oar
That makes more sense mb
lucid oar
I love deadly strike
mighty veldt
its actually crazy good
he is blitzing through floors while having to look at his controller to remember bindings XD
does winter harvest work on bosses
mighty veldt
https://i.imgur.com/Uwn2p9N.png
saved ty
cunning urchin
does winter harvest work on bosses
Yes.
mighty veldt
epic style
proven osprey
REAP WHAT YOU SOW
twin cloak
+3 dashes scam
cunning urchin
+3 dashes scam
I clicked on epic Hyper Sprint before I saw there was also epic Greatest Reflex, the other day.
Worst day of my life. 
Got epic Greatest Reflex 2nd boon though.
cunning urchin
I can't be addicted to something that never shows up.
I was living the +3 dashes life before Rush Delivery was a thing.
How can I say no? 
I also take Smair so much that Rush Delivery odds are just very noticeably worse lol.
lucid oar
Hyper sprint so good
twin cloak
this is why smair is the fakest boon
cunning urchin
Smair gud. Greatest Reflex gud. Rush Delivery fake.
twin cloak
Rd and +3 dashes are both fake
cunning urchin
Lord Hermes is fake.
upper ridge
Rd and +3 dashes are both fake
I got +3 dashes twice within my last three runs lol
earnest oak
for the monthly challnge what does "Do a barrel roll" mean?
cunning urchin
(1) To barrel-roll, submit a run that is one Heat higher than the previous submission OR a run with a faster clear time that's on the same Heat as the previous submission.
tight basin
does it have to be exactly 1 heat higher or can it be more
tight basin
lmao fair
cunning urchin
In case you haven't heard of or played Star Fox 64. https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/do-a-barrel-roll.gif
Tailesque's pfp is Fox McCloud, the protagonist of that game.
And he had a tendency that.. any time we did a fun new high heat challenge or got a new WR or something.. he'd put up a new run that beat us by 1 Heat or was the same Heat but somehow way faster than ours within a few hours. So we came to fear getting barrel-rolled.
Pretty sure he had the overall high heat WR and most high heat WRs at the time I made the challenge, too.
tight basin
the original croven
cunning urchin
So there, that's the lore of the challenge.
Also, it's funny to ping him and tell him to do a barrel roll. Because he can't not do it. 
@mighty ermine do a barrel roll!
tight basin
croven should post a sub5 and tell him to barrel roll it
cunning urchin
Tailesque does high heat, Croven does speedruns. So they don't clash. 
lucid oar
That’s what it’s like rn except it’s a 200 day cycle
cunning urchin
The original coining of the phrase. https://i.imgur.com/jhMBQ8i.png
After Tailesque beat Baj's 56 WR with a 57 in just 7 tries on the same day, while Baj was trying for like weeks I think to clear 56.
Woops. Was 57 Heat WR by Baj, so Tailesque didn't get the WR for first person to beat 57. But still did it in just 7 tries on the same day lol.
lean hornet
What is the highest theoretical amount of bloodstones you can have?
lean hornet
It’s the three you get from the start, two from Artemis legendary, and one for each chaos gate, and then well of Charon temporary ones
I think
tight basin
Yeah
At that point it depends on how much you get from chaos and wells
And there isn't really and upper limit to those
It's just luck
lean hornet
You can only get one stone per chaos boon
tight basin
I had 8 at one point
lean hornet
Right
hollow pier
i've had ten max, i think more is possible
lean hornet
5 last beo run
lucid oar
I got 7 today
pine scaffold
tight basin
doesn't that thing just blow itself up if there's no enemies to make invulnerable
tight basin
lmao it def does
tight basin
well it wouldn't be a glitch if it doesn't
because the igt timer keeps going outside of combat anyways
so you can have like a 1 year run if you left hades open for a year
west charm
what's the deal with aspect of gilgamesh saying nothing about what it does to dashes
tight basin
you prob have to hover over it and read the description
a lot of things are hidden there
such as how dad call gives a damage boost
west charm
wait what
west charm
wow
uncut oar
For 1.5s
turbid needle
All guides suggest Fated Persuasion, but wouldnt authority be better for builds focussing on 1 God?
uncut oar
Is that really reliable
gilded wedge
It's very difficult to reroll into a certain god
Even if you reroll a miniboss room with your god pool full it's pretty likely it won't land on the god you want
turbid needle
Ah ok, thanks for the answer 🙂
uncut oar
Its about 33% with a full pool
And without a full pol its about a 1 in not gonna happen
turbid needle
Dont have a lot of time to experiment, but I am trying to reach certain goals in the game 🙂
uncut oar
What is the memiest build you guys can think of?
proven osprey
Gilgamesh
valid dagger
Is that really reliable
It is good if you know how to use it well
Most speedruns take it
lucid oar
It’s especially strong on aspects that rely on burst DPS
Like Beowulf and hera
Hestia prefers Zeus aid in speedruns
plain river
All guides suggest Fated Persuasion, but wouldnt authority be better for builds ...
Most builds don’t focus on just one god
Plus being able to reroll hermes, chaos, and purging pools and charon wells is just too good
cunning urchin
Focusing on only a single god is really just for meme builds tbh.
vagrant crane
aphrodite only build
cunning urchin
Yes, but Lady Aphrodite loves Duo Boons.
vagrant crane
me getting parting shot for the 20th time in a run:
nimble peak
Do any of you have a favourite Boon? I am quite fond of SUPPORT FIRE (Artemis) as of late....
plain river
Depends on the aspect tbh
proper furnace
Splitting bolt
tight basin
splitting bolt is based
west charm
Do any of you have a favourite Boon? I am quite fond of SUPPORT FIRE (Artemis) a...
idk I do like some over others but can't think of a favorite
maybe crystal clarity?
it's really fun to spam crystal clarity and watch lines move around the screen
cunning urchin
Blown Kiss is the best boon in the game.
nimble peak
Blown Kiss is the best boon in the game.
THIS ONE is the one I'm still missing! Haven't been granted that one yet 😦
cunning urchin
You need Crush Shot.
nimble peak
You need Crush Shot.
... that explains a lot... I always go for the wider range
nimble peak
Well.
I'm a noob who hasn't played games in 15 years... I'm still happy if my character moves in the right direction 😄
west charm
tbf I find crush shot inconsistent
cunning urchin
Inconsistent?
west charm
it sometimes hits on edge of the range and it sometimes does not
plain river
Crush shot is possibly the most consistent cast in the game
cunning urchin
it sometimes hits on edge of the range and it sometimes does not
Sounds like maybe you're misgauging the range because of the isometric perspective.
nimble peak
I am still constantly working out new combinations and "God Combos" and my favourites are very rare.
I just know that I don't care much for the stuff that Ares offers, altough his Boons are powerful
tight basin
A lot of the other casts are better if you're just using the cast to apply boiling blood
If you wanted raw damage then crush shot is the best
cunning urchin
For pure Cast builds, I agree it's the most consistent.
Since all you really need is poms and Snow Burst.
west charm
I guess I should give it another chance
tight basin
Slap it on hera
errant narwhal
i only use it with hera, yeah
tight basin
Fix the range problem by giving it range
cunning urchin
Crush Shot Hera slaps.
twin cloak
does the weird 2:1 thing also apply to crush shot 
tight basin
What 2:1 thing
cunning urchin
Also great on Poseidon because that lets you dislodge immediately on bosses.
twin cloak
Talos for the 50% damage + magnet 🔥
cunning urchin
Talos for the 50% damage + magnet 🔥
Eris for +75%.
What 2:1 thing?
amb keeping all the secret tech from us.
west charm
amb?
lucid oar
amb
mighty veldt
i slammed all my blood on chiron aspect i think it has one of the best values
proper furnace
Chiron is certainly one of the aspects
proper furnace
sea storm or hangover tho
Crits
proper furnace
im kinda new what does sea storm do
Lightning bolt when knockback
mighty veldt
knockback effects proc lightning
warm snow
goddamn
proper furnace
Nah
mighty veldt
3
warm snow
oh maxed Chiron has 8 arrows?
proper furnace
It has an internal cooldown
mighty veldt
at most
proper furnace
Of 0.2 secs so you get 1-2 bolts
proper furnace
It has an internal cooldown
(also applies to normal zeus boon)
mighty veldt
Of 0.2 secs so you get 1-2 bolts
ive seen 3 but that might have been double strike
vagrant crane
is double strike worth it if you've done aph attack and gotten call + smair
lucid oar
Yes
nimble peak
Blown Kiss gives Crush Shot better range lol.
just got it in the game. I take everything back. Crush Shot Rules...
cunning urchin
next oriole
i swear rail runs have like a 9/10 chance of being so irritating i have to restart midway thru
wary adder
for zag bow is aphro or arte attack better
been trying to get sub 10 and got a 10:00:21
plain river
Either or tbh
cunning urchin
It is.
Twin and Triple first hammer are just so much better than the others.
Concentrated if Chiron.
Flurry, Twin, Triple if Hera.
wary adder
which hammers lock out twin and triple?
cunning urchin
Each other, and Sniper Shot is incompatible with Twin Shot.
Best second hammer if you have Twin or Triple is Flurry Shot.
tight basin
Point blank or perfect are probably better if you have a good lunge bonus from chaos tho
I don't think you can really dstrike much with flurry
cunning urchin
Nah, I don't think so. Flurry too good.
wary adder
i rarely get flurry and havent really gotten used to it
cunning urchin
You can Dash-Strike. It's just dash and shoot, kinda like Hestia.
wary adder
i might have to watch some bow gameplay
cunning urchin
Flurry just lets you get so many shots in where you wouldn't otherwise.
And sooner.
With no range penalty.
wary adder
i see
had it once the other day after using anvil just for fun and felt like i was doing no damage but thats probably because i didnt have twin or triple shot + build issue
cunning urchin
It's not as good if you don't have Twin or Triple, yeah.
cunning urchin
just got it in the game. I take everything back. Crush Shot Rules...
On the topic of Crush Shot, looks like haelian released a video on it just yesterday. https://youtu.be/A1hEeFsuiss
rose pelican
It's a shotgun
nimble peak
What do you guys combine with Exogryph? I cant get paßt Elysium with that thing
cunning urchin
What do you guys combine with Exogryph? I cant get paßt Elysium with that thing
Lightning Strike > Static Discharge and Tidal Dash. Lots of poms on Static Discharge and Tidal Dash. Also pick up a decent % Special along the way (but not Tempest Flourish).
And ideally Breaking Wave or another t2 boon from Poseidon.
Hestia is different, as jazz wrote.
Can find a lot of good builds here. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
errant narwhal
Can find a lot of good builds here. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-bui...
yknow, this has been posted here over 150 times, i think its time for a pin
valid dagger
Nice
tight basin
Lmao it's gonna get burried by monthly challenges soon enough
twin cloak
re pin it every time there's a monthly
rose nexus
Honestly I’m surprised it’s only that few
cunning urchin
97 times for my 32 Heat pact.
tight basin
the search function shows 151 for me
nvm i've been scammed now it says 150 now that i sorted by old
vagrant crane
says 153 for me
proud jasper
!guide adamant rail
dawn meteor
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/556229350782009344/1070842742760034444/Hades_Screenshot_2023.02.02_-_23.50.20.75.png?width=1030&height=580 do you guys have any tips on how i can improve on this build?
tight basin
dawn meteor
I keep being like 3-5 hits away from beating Hades before he kills me
dawn meteor
Well getting more stuff in the mirror helps
i feel like i should specify that im aiming for a no boons no mirror playthrough
tight basin
Well it's clearly not "no mirror" because of fated authority
dawn meteor
i mean fated authority is only there to ensure the no boons part
vagrant crane
boonless usually you just take unimportant ones
tight basin
But like there's literally nothing to add to your build if you want to do boonless
Unless you want different hammers
There's not much to say tho
vagrant crane
that's arthur right
tight basin
Yeah
vagrant crane
don't you take shadow on arthur
dawn meteor
yes
dawn meteor
i aim for shadow and coin slash
vagrant crane
i feel like cruel thrust would be more applicable
dawn meteor
is there any trinket apart from the one im currently using that would increase my chanses
vagrant crane
not that i can think of
might want to do a different aspect though
arthur with only 1 dash seems really annoying
dawn meteor
the problem is that im so used to arthur all of the other ones feel really alien
vagrant crane
HESTIA HESTIA HESTIA HESTIA 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪
tight basin
the problem is that im so used to arthur all of the other ones feel really alien
Arthur is prob one of the harder ones for single dash
dawn meteor
but the C H U N K tho
tight basin
It's more consistent
dawn meteor
i tried hestia and got destroyed last time but fingers crossed
west charm
the problem is that im so used to arthur all of the other ones feel really alien
reminds me of the time I used to main arthur
the damage is so good
vagrant crane
i was a huge fan of arthur
dawn meteor
it feels so good
vagrant crane
but now it feels too slow
west charm
yes
west charm
I found its dash attack very effective
vagrant crane
i only did up to 12 heat with it though lol
arthur dash strike has tech doesnt it
you just hold the button
valid dagger
Yes
dawn meteor
i have my fastest and highest heat runs both on arthur
valid dagger
Standing attacks also have techs
vagrant crane
oh that's wild
valid dagger
You can buffer dashes in between
valid dagger
So you’re basically dragging the weapon across the room while keeping the combo
valid dagger
Yea it’s more intuitive on kbm
west charm
i just figured that out because my playstyle was spam m1 space
excactly the same
I got to 8 heat then moved on to other weapon
vagrant crane
now im #1 hestia stan 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪
west charm
hestia is the one with 75% damage boost right?
west charm
oh right
vagrant crane
hestia is 150 base dmg after manual reload
dawn meteor
ill join the cult of hestia if i beat him this time
west charm
oh
tbf I'm not much of a rail person in over all
the reload does not feel good in a game where there isn't reload for 5 of 6 weapons
vagrant crane
i initially picked it because i watched haelians nohit and thought "this must be the best aspect ever"
west charm
it's definitely solid, 150 shot is quite good
vagrant crane
it's so easy
west charm
tbf I found it harder than other weapons
dawn meteor
so how do i use hestia?
tight basin
tbf I'm not much of a rail person in over all
Same, which is why I picked up hestia lol
vagrant crane
you just reload between every shot
west charm
click reload (I rebound it to a mouse button) then shoot
tight basin
Reload and hit special/dash at the same time to cancel the animation
vagrant crane
do you want the super cool guide
west charm
if the enemy has a sliver of health left after shooting the big shot, it's better to shoot the rest of the bullets instead of waiting for the reload
tight basin
Or cast
ruby siren
click reload (I rebound it to a mouse button) then shoot
ahhh thats brilliant
west charm
can you cast while reloading
tight basin
Probably idk
ruby siren
cast or special
tight basin
west charm
ahhh thats brilliant
tbf I bound all of my offensive abilities to my mouse buttons because it didn't feel good to do use movement hand to execute offensive actions
tight basin
Hestia guide by zyruvias, one of the top hestia players
west charm
probably just me thing tbf
tight basin
If not the best
dawn meteor
which hammers are the best for hestia?
vagrant crane
he holds like every hestia record doesnt he
west charm
also why is default bind for special attack q??
vagrant crane
you can go for like
tight basin
Except anyheat
ruby siren
tbf I bound all of my offensive abilities to my mouse buttons because it didn't ...
ahhh i only have 2 buttons on my mouse so idk if this would work for me 🥺
west charm
ahhh i only have 2 buttons on my mouse so idk if this would work for me 🥺
yeah I don't exactly have an ordinary mouse
tight basin
Kirrrbyy or however you spell it should have a 50 heat hestia faster
west charm
do you know if mouse wheel scroll direction can be set to different actions?
ruby siren
yeah I don't exactly have an ordinary mouse
hahaha seems like it
ruby siren
do you know if mouse wheel scroll direction can be set to different actions?
that'd be wild
valid dagger
Kirrrbyy or however you spell it should have a 50 heat hestia faster
Amb has a faster one I think
west charm
in OW, you can set mouse wheel click, scroll up, and scroll down to different actions
vagrant crane
Kirrrbyy or however you spell it should have a 50 heat hestia faster
modded no
valid dagger
And ocaml for unmodded
ruby siren
in OW, you can set mouse wheel click, scroll up, and scroll down to different ac...
ooo wats OW
vagrant crane
west charm
ooo wats OW
Overwatch
tight basin
Amb has a faster one I think
Oh yeah I think she has a 13 min but it wasn't uploaded to src
west charm
that's probably a thing in other games as well
valid dagger
Oh yeah I think she has a 13 min but it wasn't uploaded to src
No
vagrant crane
bind mwheelup +jump
valid dagger
A 10:0x
vagrant crane
bind mwheeldown +jump
valid dagger
Lol
tight basin
Oh wtf since when
valid dagger
It was in a multiwep
tight basin
Oh damn
ruby siren
#self-promotion message if anybody wants to watch my run & give me advice or derive some i would be so appreciative💚🖤
tight basin
Amb is mega gamer
vagrant crane
yeah
vagrant crane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1070848408295841833/i...
.
modded 40 as well
cunning urchin
You can buffer dashes in between
Adding to that, this works on all swords. You just don't really want to use the standing Attack on the other swords.
vagrant crane
and 32
vagrant crane
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/505164873328754688/1070842488614...
it appears you have a bot in your comments
ruby siren
it appears you have a bot in your comments
lmao no thats some random girl i met one time who somehow found my youtube channel xD
she comments nonsequitors on a lot of my videos
valid dagger
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/505164873328754688/1070842488614...
What kind of advice
Just general gameplay/build tips?
Oh it’s Chiron
west charm
ngl I think the 8 stack hangover thing is a good idea
ruby siren
literally anything. point out my mistakes. whateva floats ur boat lol
ruby siren
ngl I think the 8 stack hangover thing is a good idea
i love it so much
west charm
ye I think ur doing good over all
ruby siren
esp w lots of poms
ruby siren
ye I think ur doing good over all
aw ty :3
ruby siren
HA literallyyyy i always get it wen i can
west charm
fair and balanced ability lmao
cunning urchin
Low Tolerance is a great build on Chiron.
west charm
iirc you can only get 2 hermes boons by default
ruby siren
fair and balanced ability lmao
not in that way that fox news is fair and balanced i hope xD im rly rusty for the first half of tartarus btw
cunning urchin
iirc you can only get 2 hermes boons by default
Right.
3rd one can only be bought in Styx shop for 500. 50% chance it's offered, 50% chance it's the Anvil instead.
west charm
oh, speaking of anvil
ruby siren
iirc you can only get 2 hermes boons by default
i did not kno that thats unfortunate lol
west charm
do you guys buy anvils?
tight basin
Oh it’s Chiron
Best gameplay tip for Chiron is to not play chiron
tight basin
do you guys buy anvils?
No unless both hammers are really bad and I'm not on sword
ruby siren
Best gameplay tip for Chiron is to not play chiron
chiron is my fave bow tho xD i guess it's just a fun playstyle for me but it's rly that bad?
tight basin
chiron is my fave bow tho xD i guess it's just a fun playstyle for me but it's r...
Nah it's fine lol I just have speedrunner and heat brain
It's pretty good in general tho
ruby siren
Best gameplay tip for Chiron is to not play chiron
sometimes ill be going for a build that wants a specific hammer n i dont have it yet and one of my hammer sucks, n ill gamble. losing the hammer i already like is the WORST in that situation tho
tight basin
Just don't wonder why you can't get low times on Chiron lol
ruby siren
oh i replied ot the wrong thing lol
ruby siren
Nah it's fine lol I just have speedrunner and heat brain
fair enough
valid dagger
Yea it’s tough to go fast on chiron and like push past 45 heat
west charm
chiron is good
ruby siren
Yea it’s tough to go fast on chiron and like push past 45 heat
makes sense. i got the purple special speed hermes in this run which helped sooo much
vagrant crane
what do you do with zag spread fire
west charm
tbf I think chiron special is the only particularly good special
vagrant crane
tbf I think chiron special is the only particularly good special
on bow?
west charm
rama is ok and I just don't get how to use it for the other two bous
vagrant crane
you don't
valid dagger
what do you do with zag spread fire
Merciful End or basic crit build with Heartrend n chaos and all that
west charm
I guess the bow special is good for applying debuffs
vagrant crane
rama special is amazing imo
well yeah
tight basin
rama is ok and I just don't get how to use it for the other two bous
Rama special is what makes rama extremely good at speed and heat lol
ruby siren
I guess the bow special is good for applying debuffs
ones that stack. dio and dem
vagrant crane
i meant for zag and hera
west charm
ngl rama special was clutch when I was playing hades with auto clicker and challenged myself to use bow
tight basin
Zag and Hera special are useless
Except for the break point thingy to finish off
For faster kill
vagrant crane
ngl rama special was clutch when I was playing hades with auto clicker and chall...
it autofires
west charm
when you have autoclicker on for bows, the primary attack is completely disabled
ruby siren
Zag and Hera special are useless
hera is funnnn. for dio cast in particular
cunning urchin
Yea it’s tough to go fast on chiron and like push past 45 heat
I don't think pushing past 45 is too hard. But at some point you're timing out to EM4 a lot. 
west charm
assuming it's autoclicking the attack
valid dagger
Yea that was my experience too
tight basin
hera is funnnn. for dio cast in particular
Hera is good if you don't touch the special lol
cunning urchin
Amir, please give me Relentless Volley on my Concentrated Volley in my next 53 attempt.
ruby siren
Hera is good if you don't touch the special lol
then why not just use zag at that point?
west charm
yo managed to build a 2k damage hera shot here
ruby siren
yo managed to build a 2k damage hera shot here
YESSSS see thats why i love hera
tight basin
then why not just use zag at that point?
Because the loaded cast makes Hera super strong
Also zag special is also useless
cunning urchin
Crush Shot best on Hera.
west charm
I tried the crush shot on hera and it was quite good
ruby siren
Because the loaded cast makes Hera super strong
Also zag special is also useless
completely
valid dagger
We have charged volley
tight basin
Iirc croven didn't touch the special in his modded 4:39 run
west charm
get tons of blood stone with that build and slam the enemy with 2k damage per shot
cunning urchin
Iirc croven didn't touch the special in his modded 4:39 run
I mean if he needed to press Special, it wouldn't have been 4:39 lmao.
cunning urchin
Special on bow is like... in Tartarus when your build isn't there yet very occasionally to finish like the last mob in a wave, something like that.
tight basin
Or is special still faster than a flurry shot
somber onyx
where do you ask about achievements
cunning urchin
Well, on Zag Bow and Hera.
cunning urchin
where do you ask about achievements
You can ask me all about my achievements.
valid dagger
But I mean even if you don’t have Flurry you still wouldnt use the Special because like it doesn’t really supplement your damage unless you’re desperate and have no stones in which case you’re probably not playing too well
somber onyx
how do you get the thorn of thanatos achievment
i've gotten the pierced butterfly up to 3 stars
@cunning urchin
vagrant crane
you need to do 15 chambers nohit
cunning urchin
No, I meant my achievements. Like, my WRs and stuff.
somber onyx
wdym?
cunning urchin
Hestia probably best for that achievement.
somber onyx
what is it specifically asking me to do though?
vagrant crane
what is it specifically asking me to do though?
do 15 chambers nohit
ruby siren
get tons of blood stone with that build and slam the enemy with 2k damage per sh...
thats the key. problem is seeking out artemis after artemis boon for her legendary n not getting it
valid dagger
Hestia probably best for that achievement.
^
ruby siren
prob bow rail or shield
west charm
thats the key. problem is seeking out artemis after artemis boon for her legenda...
yeah chaos is quite important because of that
ruby siren
yeah chaos is quite important because of that
true
west charm
but I don't think it's too hard to get artemis legendary
tight basin
but I don't think it's too hard to get artemis legendary
Kinda is when you don't start with Artemis
dawn meteor
hazard bomb or rocket bomb?
ruby siren
but I don't think it's too hard to get artemis legendary
IT IS. bc none of her atk/special/dash/call boons contribute to it & the game wants to give u those if u dont have them filled yet
dawn meteor
which is better
tight basin
Rocket generally
ruby siren
Kinda is when you don't start with Artemis
very
dawn meteor
aight
cunning urchin
I think the problem isn't not getting Fully Loaded but actively looking for it.
ruby siren
I think the problem isn't not getting Fully Loaded but actively looking for it. ...
knew someone was gonna say this xD
ruby siren
I think the problem isn't not getting Fully Loaded but actively looking for it. ...
it's such a bad habit and literally contributes to my depression xD
tight basin
Also yeah lmao on Hera you don't really try for it unless you naturally see a ton of arty
cunning urchin
It's just so much opportunity cost to even get there.
west charm
maybe I'm just lucky in terms of finding that boon
ruby siren
It's just so much opportunity cost to even get there.
yup. i think the first time i tried it it worked out and im still chasing that high hahaha
valid dagger
Chase wells
ruby siren
maybe I'm just lucky in terms of finding that boon
you must be
cunning urchin
I mean it's not bad, but it's not super high priority. You usually end up with it maybe if you're forced into Support Fire as a cope pick.
ruby siren
I mean it's not bad, but it's not super high priority. You usually end up with i...
i love support fire for the fists , rail, rama & chiron
west charm
but I like support fire
ruby siren
~~but I like support fire~~
me toooooo
west charm
it's basically a 12 extra damage per hit
ruby siren
it's basically a 12 extra damage per hit
it's good for the weapons i mentioned, anything that hits often and fast
west charm
so if you hit enemies often with a weapon that fires fast, it gets solid value
ruby siren
exactly
cunning urchin
It was good before it was nerfed in early access. It's... okay now.
ruby siren
ooo i bet it was so OP before
cunning urchin
Not OP, but probably about as good as you two seem to think it is now lmao.
ruby siren
HAHAHA it's also visually so fun
cunning urchin
Definitely. It's a very satisfying effect.
west charm
idk maybe it falls off on high heat or speed running
ruby siren
thats 75% of the reason i play this game lol
west charm
I don't really do either of these so I wouldn't know
ruby siren
idk maybe it falls off on high heat or speed running
im sure it does
cunning urchin
It doesn't fall off, it's just that usually you want Pressure Points into Hunter's Mark or Deadly Strike/Flourish into Hunter's Mark depending on aspect.
cunning urchin
how was it nerfed excactly?
Pom scaling was nerfed a lot.
west charm
oh, also I think using aspects that encourage cast unstuck thing helps with getting that legendary boon
since you can get exit wounds to help get the fully loaded
so it's easier to get on poseidon and hera
hera has faster cast fall time iirc
ruby siren
oh, also I think using aspects that encourage cast unstuck thing helps with gett...
trueeee
cunning urchin
Yeah, if you wanna get Fully Loaded reliably and quickly, the most important part is to only pick up Exit Wounds or Hunter Dash from her first boon.
To narrow down her boon pool and make it easier to get the next requirement.
Instead of adding a lot of t2 crit boons to her pool.
rough ridge
gods pride vs. gods legacy??
ruby siren
Instead of adding a lot of t2 crit boons to her pool.
yea gotta fill those core boons. or whatevr u would call atk/spcl/cast/dash/call
cunning urchin
No, quite the opposite. You don't wanna fill your core boons because that opens up her tier 2 crit boons.
Only core boon you'd want from her is Hunter Dash.
tight basin
gods pride vs. gods legacy??
Pride unless you're playing Beowulf or building for merciful end (and will either reset or cope with common doom)
rough ridge
Pride unless you're playing Beowulf or building for merciful end (and will eithe...
kk
west charm
Yeah, if you wanna get Fully Loaded reliably and quickly, the most important par...
hunter dash?
cunning urchin
hunter dash?
Yes. Hunter Dash opens up Support Fire without opening up any t2 crit boons.
ruby siren
No, quite the opposite. You don't wanna fill your core boons because that opens ...
ooooo
dash doesnt open up tier 2?
dawn meteor
i didnt beat hades:(
cunning urchin
Hunter Dash opens up Support Fire, which is tier 2. But it doesn't open up Hunter's Mark, Clean Kill, Hide Breaker, or Hunter Instinct.
ruby siren
OHHH i didnt kno that dif tier 1 boons opened up different tier 2 thats crazy. iguess it makes sense lol
rough ridge
Also how op is the duo boon that makes every other boon minimal epic
ruby siren
good if u get it early
west charm
exclusive access?
ruby siren
who's duo does that?
west charm
dio and poseidon
ruby siren
ahh
cunning urchin
Also how op is the duo boon that makes every other boon minimal epic
Not close to OP, unfortunately.
ruby siren
yea ive never used those two together in a run
rough ridge
who's duo does that?
idk but i got it right before i slayed my father
ruby siren
then it's useless lmao
west charm
it turns the boons you get in the future in to epics
rough ridge
i keep forgetting to look for those damned fishing spots
tight basin
It's good for darkness farming at least
cunning urchin
Since it's like... if you build for Exclusive Access... it doesn't do anything on its own lol.
west charm
I think it's about having OP everything else instead of being op by itself
rough ridge
I had Poseidon Tidal Dash and Hermes +3 dash
cunning urchin
I think it's about having OP everything else instead of being op by itself
Yeah, but it doesn't do that really since you kind of have to cripple your build to actively go for it. It's just "win harder" in runs where you happen to run into it.
More or less.
Or cope sometimes.
valid dagger
Epic side hustle
rough ridge
So i'm on heat 3 now, so the first heat i did the foes do 20% more damage the second time i did the you have to purge one boon before entering the next place so what should i do for heat 3
valid dagger
All that good stuff
cunning urchin
Epic Side Hustle so that you can afford a Lord Hermes boon for 500 that actually does something.
valid dagger
So i'm on heat 3 now, so the first heat i did the foes do 20% more damage the se...
The pins in #h1-high-heat-strategies have a good progression chart by RidiculousHat
west charm
So i'm on heat 3 now, so the first heat i did the foes do 20% more damage the se...
I think Emergency measures is a very fun heat option
it modifies boss fights
rough ridge
alr
valid dagger
Yea EM1-2 are good
cunning urchin
I was so upset when they added Side Hustle because it just hurt my chances at Greatest Reflex.
valid dagger
Also Tight Deadline
ruby siren
So i'm on heat 3 now, so the first heat i did the foes do 20% more damage the se...
the thing that makes the bosses stronger. i did that before anything else
valid dagger
And maybe Middle Management and BP1
west charm
tbf I'm a big fan of EM3
ruby siren
i kind of just wanted to see the new bosses tho lol
west charm
theseus not having shield just feels so good, chasing him down is so fun
tight basin
I find it annoying lmao
west charm
wacc
vagrant crane
its so annoying to apply boiling blood
vagrant crane
but doing 5 dstrikes in a row on nem or pos is awesome
tight basin
Unless I'm using rail
west charm
speaking of annoying
I'm surprised I never saw anyone else say the green learnie is annoying
cunning urchin
lmao
cunning urchin
When they first added it, there was no cap on how many adds it could summon.
west charm
hell nawwwwww
cunning urchin
vagrant crane
what's green
cunning urchin
Summoner Lernie.
west charm
learnie variant that has green spikes
vagrant crane
wait
cunning urchin
The one that spawns the "eggs".
vagrant crane
oh
west charm
it spits out egg thing and skelton spawns from it
cunning urchin
m picturing you ignoring them when they had no spawn cap.
vagrant crane
wouldnt be that bad
west charm
dude no spawn cap learnie is freaky dude wth
vagrant crane
just dont die
cunning urchin
lmao you have no idea.
ruby siren
did u try not dying? lol
west charm
good thing it's easier to deal with them in EM2 where there is smaller space
also atleast it isn't the witnesses in COTL
the witnesses in cult of the lamb is so bad, they just straight up dissapear and leave tons of adds
that may seem like what learnie does, but it's worse, trust me
ruby siren
the witnesses in cult of the lamb is so bad, they just straight up dissapear and...
never heard of COTL based off the name tho im interested lol
cunning urchin
You can totally ignore them at high heat, too, until you dash and find yourself getting bone-rakered at the end of your dash and.
west charm
if you burst the witnesses down fast enough, they do the adds spawning move several times in a row 💀
ruby siren
the lernie that drops the rocks is my most annoying lernie lol
west charm
that's why learnie is way better designed than witnesses
west charm
never heard of COTL based off the name tho im interested lol
yeah it's really good
it's a bit dead but still entertaining on the first play through
west charm
they are going to release a combat update soon
cunning urchin
I genuinely don't remember the last time I died to Lernie. 
west charm
that's gonna be sick
west charm
I genuinely don't remember the last time I died to Lernie. <:thanthink:669246004...
learnie is lowkey easiest boss IMO
west charm
they are both really easy it's honestly kind of hard to tell
vagrant crane
so real
west charm
they are both so easy that it does not really matter if one is easier than the other
tight basin
em2 lernie is a pain at high heat for me lol
west charm
really?
west charm
wait what is HS?
west charm
oh
west charm
it's 5x iirc
cunning urchin
I think Furies probably have the highest kill count in high heat.
vagrant crane
vagrant crane
it's +annoying% trap damage
west charm
annoying% lol
cunning urchin
It's not annoying if you don't step on traps.
dawn meteor
does rocket bomb replace cluster bomb?
vagrant crane
no
cunning urchin
Unlike me when I stepped on EM4 trap in my last run.
vagrant crane
clockets are great
cunning urchin
Don't do that.
vagrant crane
autoaim has shot a pot right next to me before
tight basin
I think Furies probably have the highest kill count in high heat. <:thanthink:66...
well i said for me lol
dying to furies makes a lot of sense too tho
cunning urchin
Not that it made a difference because I was gonna time out.
vagrant crane
i dont understand why pots are valid targets for auto aim
tight basin
because some people actually want to break them lol
west charm
vagrant crane
ill be like a few meters from dad with an empowered shot in hand and it'll blast some random pot
west charm
lol
cunning urchin
well i said for me lol
dying to furies makes a lot of sense too tho
It's just natural. Can't die to Lernie or anyone else if you already died at Furies after all lol.
tight basin
lmao true
west charm
why do people die on furies in the first place?
cunning urchin
Kind of a quality check for your build.
tight basin
why do people die on furies in the first place?
bad build going out of tart, also tart can take a long time with bad rooms
cunning urchin
why do people die on furies in the first place?
Best way to find out is set your Heat to 50 and try a run.
west charm
ooohhh
valid dagger
Melee furies can be rough
west charm
alr I'll see if I can get it to work
vagrant crane
melee can be rough
vagrant crane
does god mode count victories
west charm
yeah but it has a little god mode icon next to it
west charm
it shouldn't tbf
cunning urchin
It goes up with every death but doesn't go down.
west charm
I'm just not good enough to possibly beat any room at like, 50 heat
cunning urchin
You don't know that until you try lol.
tight basin
c1 should be easy enough
west charm
C1?
vagrant crane
chamber 1
cunning urchin
Chamber 1.
cunning urchin
Inb4 Speeder Slugger Thug c1 ending dreams early.
valid dagger
That’s what I was gonna say lol
west charm
is hades low% a thing?
valid dagger
Yes
Not very popular tho because it’s insanely difficult
It’s not a category on the boards iirc
But a few players run it sometimes
dawn meteor
wait does underworld customs prevent you from going forward if you have no boons?
cunning urchin
Quick Reset is still catching up with Furies. It came a bit later, after all.
valid dagger
wait does underworld customs prevent you from going forward if you have no boons...
No you just go forward
ruby siren
Yes, you have to go back and find a boon and then you can proceed.
lmao stopppp
dawn meteor
also how can i guarantee purging wells ahead?
cunning urchin
You can't.
dawn meteor
oh no
west charm
Which one is better? Chaos cast damage boost or chaos extra cast?
tight basin
Depends
How many permanent casts do you have, what's the % bonus
If you have any casts from wells how long would they last
Same with % I guess
west charm
let's say I'm using the mirror upgrade that gives 2 extra casts and everything else is default
valid dagger
What wep
valid dagger
Usually the 4th stone is very important utility wise but it still depends on like where you get the chaos, how long the curse lasts, the % of the shot etc. I can see myself taking a rare or epic shot over a grasp.
tight basin
@visual surge other reasons why beowulf is good is because cast based weapons are inherently strong. castpects can make the most of well items and chaos bonuses since you can get cast damage, more casts, or even just attack damage.
casts have really good pom scaling and is a flat damage number (not a % modifier like say athena's attack)
this goes really well with cast damage bonuses and hyper sprint + rush delivery
this extends to achilles and hera btw, except those dont have the mirage shot bug
hera technically does, but trippy flare isn't the preferred cast for it
visual surge
hi
tight basin
also worth mentioning that charged shot is the best hammer in the game since it increases the charge damage to 80, so at max level a loaded dragon rush on beowulf would do base 160 damage lol
visual surge
okay I will try getting mirage shot and charged shot on beowulf
i've recently been trying out cast builds and they are pretty fun
cunning urchin
also worth mentioning that charged shot is the best hammer in the game since it ...
Dragon-Rush isn't base damage.
visual surge
how long am I meant to charge beowulf for
tight basin
it has the same damage no matter length of charge
visual surge
k
tight basin
typically what you do is dash strike into the charge because it's faster
more or less wanna dash strike in their face and dragon rush minimally just so you get the damage out faster and get your casts back sooner
if you can hit multiple enemies with the rush or flare, then you'd want to charge a bit longer
visual surge
kinda annoying how the cast doesnt instantly go off
tight basin
and angle differently if need be
tight basin
kinda annoying how the cast doesnt instantly go off
really? feels pretty instant to me
as soon as the charge is done it pops
visual surge
i think the cast goes off right after the charge hits
tight basin
i mean yeah that's how it's supposed to be
well not when it hits an enemy
the enemy is prob at the end of your charge if that's the case
visual surge
ok
vagrant crane
is super nova worse than world splitter?
tight basin
super nova is better than world splitter because you dont use the atk
earnest oak
How is Achilles considers a cast weapon?
plain river
A good one
errant narwhal
The damage boost it gets after using special applies to cast
So it’s really good for it if you get a powerful one
earnest oak
The damage boost it gets after using special applies to cast
Oh ok
Speaking of that does the thing on the aspect of hades affect the cast?
The punishing sweep thing
valid dagger
Speaking of that does the thing on the aspect of hades affect the cast?
It does not
You can hover your cursor over the aspect/boons/hammers to see more info about what they do
rough ridge
Fated Authority vs. Fated Persuasion and what they do
valid dagger
Fated Authority vs. Fated Persuasion and what they do
Fated Authority allows you to reroll door rewards. Fated Persuasion allows you to reroll Boons/poms/wells. The former suffers from inconsistency, and has a hard time manipulating a build while relying heavily on rng. It also doesn't offer as many options as Persuasion does, for example you can reroll wells with persuasion, which is massively important on some weapons. Persuasion is far stronger as it makes your builds more consistent and helps you get the parts that you need. Hermes and Chaos are very important and being able to roll their boons is also very powerful
rough ridge
Fated Authority allows you to reroll door rewards. Fated Persuasion allows you t...
👍 thx
valid dagger
To further add consistency to your runs, leaning how the god pool system works, and how boons are rolled is very beneficial. It'll help you target builds more accurately and you'll learn when it's worth to roll and when to save for a better opportunity.
rough ridge
alr
now i gotta farm darkness
oh wait one more question
what Eurydice dish is the best?
plain river
Speaking of that does the thing on the aspect of hades affect the cast?
Hades is only attack and special
broken nest
We are okay on one thing?
Quick weapon need flat damage bonus
Slow weapon need percent damage bonus?
But how I get flat damage bonuses on attack? Doom? I don't see anything else
proper furnace
Doom, lightning, hangover
proper furnace
They benefit a lot more, but you also use % gods if their special is good
See rail
Uses zeus but any % special basically
broken nest
I'm sorry I don't understand
proper furnace
You use flat dmg on your slot of choice if is fast, but if you have a decent base dmg you can also use % based boons
Is not that you only use flat dmg or %
tight basin
Yes
Rail and fists main attack is very fast and has low base damage, so you want to put flat damage on the attack
Their special is slower but has high damage, so you want to put a % modifier on the special
broken nest
Thanks to take time to re-explain
I've some problem to understand other people so thanks ! ^^'
proper furnace
You can also be funny and slap Merciful end on basically most weapons even if they arent that fast
It just works
broken nest
Merciful end?
proper furnace
Merciful end?
Ares + athena duo boon
Your deflect boons makes doom instant proc
Instead of having to wait its full timer
broken nest
Ooooh i see
west charm
it's good when you have doom on fast attacking weapon and you have athena dash
basically broken actually
tight basin
Well you'd need the duo but yeah lmao
west charm
it's so good that you can beat hades without any progression if you get that build
it's more of a speedrun thing but yeah
tight basin
Fresh file moment
turbid needle
So im using the purple spear (dont ask me the name), and I usually pick boons that bennefit attack, but I see that the boons that increase special dmg offer a much more bigger %, but it doesnt feel that crazy since its so slow, which of the 2 is better?
ionic crown
So im using the purple spear (dont ask me the name), and I usually pick boons th...
you’re running the spear? What aspect?
tight basin
Theres a purple spear?
ionic crown
Theres a purple spear?
They mean upgrades
tight basin
I mean yeah but I didn't know one of them was purple lmao
ionic crown
you can upgrade with titan blood and it increases the rarity
Which correlates to rare epic heroic yada yada
turbid needle
How do I upgrade them?
ionic crown
wait what
turbid needle
I mean where do I go to upgrade them
tight basin
Oh is it just dark thirst
turbid needle
I got to Hades trice now
ionic crown
anyways
uncut oar
I mean where do I go to upgrade them
Gotta get all weapons first
ionic crown
Naughty word
turbid needle
I guess I gotta keep playing until I find the missing weapon
I have yet to try that giant glove with claws
ionic crown
but yes, pins has a fairly all encompassing guide on every weapon and how to build them
broken nest
Exageyph with Zeus on attack is 💜❤️
cobalt wadi
if the post-asphodel shop doesnt have good items, do i still take hourglass for a beo run
valid dagger
if the post-asphodel shop doesnt have good items, do i still take hourglass for ...
Yes
The only scenario where you could possibly ignore it and take Acorn/Dad Call is when running rta and have a lot of damage so you just try to go fast from that point onwards.
But that wont happen often
Keep an eye on wells and try to check all of them, every well from c29 onwards lasts til the Hades fight assuming you get a 2-sack so it's worth rolling those wells.
Another advantage to Hourglass is the post-Elysium well.
Check it before unequipping
cobalt wadi
alr thank u
errant narwhal
lost all my dds to hades and almost died for the first time in over 100 runs 
i gave up on the run when i was 10 hp to keep the streak lol but what happened to my skill i was coasting through the rest of the run
cunning urchin
Overconfidence perhaps.
errant narwhal
i did take a break mid run so idk maybe that threw me off
but im playing with no heat which is usually easy for me
placid spindle
Rng moment
cunning urchin
I sometimes play pretty stupid in the fight until m down to 1-2 hits from death and actually play serious.