I just tried it for a second I haven't picked up this weapon since I unlocked it
#h1-builds-and-combat
plain river
I don’t think I have many hestia runs but I do know it’s based af
neon terrace
I don’t think I have many hestia runs but I do know it’s based af
certain controller setups feel really weird and unnatural w hestia tbf
tight basin
just remap the buttons then?
earnest hatch
I'm on keyboard and mouse bc bow/guns are hell on controller tbh
tight basin
funny enough, optimal rail gameplay turns off attack at cursor
tawny knoll
Gun never clicked with me, but bow feels just fine on gamepad
tight basin
funny enough, optimal rail gameplay turns off attack at cursor
but you can still aim the special with the mouse when doing this
neon terrace
just remap the buttons then?
what's the point? eris is the best aspect in the game anyway, so if im gonna use the rail ill just use that. zag rail's also good, and lucifer sucks ass but it's probably the coolest aspect
tight basin
get triple bomb yeah
plain river
certain controller setups feel really weird and unnatural w hestia tbf
Remap reload if it doesn’t feel right
tight basin
what's the point? eris is the best aspect in the game anyway, so if im gonna use...
also calling eris "the best aspect in the game" is a bold statement frankly
plain river
If eris is the best aspect in the game where is it’s speedrun wr and its 64 heat clear
tight basin
routed wr
plain river
I just realised how dumb seeded modded is as a category
plain river
Ik
neon terrace
also calling eris "the best aspect in the game" is a bold statement frankly
how?
plain river
It has a wr in one subcategory compared to a bunch of other aspects
when a bunch of others have more
neon terrace
luci is really good <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
if u get triple bomb it can be but in general it's pretty ass
tight basin
i wont disagree with you in that it's a really good and strong aspect for heat and speed, but neither of them are the top contender for any of them
earnest hatch
It's very "get this" specific but Lucifer is such a blast to play
Like not even with triple bomb
ionic crown
speaking of lucifer
earnest hatch
Attack can work with Zeus/Sea Storm/Dio
plain river
It's very "get this" specific but Lucifer is such a blast to play
But also lucifer has like 9 hammers and so you’re uber likely to find triple bomb
tight basin
i mean with luci just get lightning strike and any % special and you're good to go
earnest hatch
Only 5!
earnest hatch
i mean with luci just get lightning strike and any % special and you're good to ...
^^^
It's kinda like rama
But reverse
Status attack and % special
tight basin
except you dont want poseidon attack
plain river
Triple bomb is so common on lucifer
ionic crown
i mean with luci just get lightning strike and any % special and you're good to ...
Isn’t that 75% of gun runs anyways
earnest hatch
except you dont want poseidon attack
squirt gun >:)
Don't tell me you hate the super soaker build
tight basin
i forgot super soaker is actually decent lmao
well i hate it as a concept because it's bad until you get sea storm
but then at that point it's just budget lightning strike lmao
earnest hatch
Not necessarily! it keeps you pretty safe tbh
plain river
Not safe
tight basin
Isn’t that 75% of gun runs anyways
zag rail can do spread fire, drunk eris exists, luci doesnt have any leniency for atk
plain river
enough
tight basin
Not necessarily! it keeps you pretty safe tbh
it does like no damage lmao
until sea storm
tight basin
also knockback on bosses is mostly nonexistent
fair
i wont say it's an invalid build
i just hate it lmao
proper furnace
Beobug my beloved
earnest hatch
I was like "Time to not have fun ag- 500 damage aphro bull rush in room one"
jaw dropping
tight basin
anyways back to the topic of eris not being the best aspect in the game
hera and beo are fighting for the wr atm, beo is a top heat aspect until 60, zeus cleared 63
eris highest is 57, and in regards to speedrunning it doesnt have a sub5 while hera, beo, and achilles do
eris isn't the top, but it is still very good
plain river
The only thing eris has is a routed wr
tight basin
literally because c1 rocket and c2 is 3 louts that can be one shot
so you essentially start the run with rocket and lightning strike lmao
obv other things as well
but eris early game is extremely strong
plain river
Compared to a bunch of other aspects with more achievements
I say a bunch but it’s kinda jyst hera and beo (and rama?)
neon terrace
i wont disagree with you in that it's a really good and strong aspect for heat a...
It's just great all around. Has the strongest build in the game w/ Cluster Rockets too. Zeus or Rama might be better for Heat, Hera might be somewhat better for speed, but none of those are as good in every way as Eris
plain river
Calling clockets “the strongest build in the game” 🤨
lucid oar
Imo cshot > clockets
tight basin
It's just great all around. Has the strongest build in the game w/ Cluster Rocke...
Beo is better in every way than eris
Heat and speedrunning
earnest hatch
What is C shot
lucid oar
Charged shot
earnest hatch
Oh that's what I just got on the Beo run
ionic crown
it’s p good
tight basin
Also Hera isn't "somewhat better" it literally has the wr
Zeus is not "somewhat" better at heat
57 to 64 is a steep increase in difficulty
I can't speak on rama because I don't remember how high it is
tight basin
And 5:xx
Eris is like 5:05 or something so it's a pretty good time
I would not call eris the best aspect at all tho
thorn tendon
The only thing eris has is a routed wr
60 unmodded
tight basin
Very good yes
tight basin
60 unmodded
Why's modded only 57
lucid oar
Seeded unmodded is 60
tight basin
ah
neon terrace
Beo is better in every way than eris
bruh 😭😭😭 try beo without mirrage shot, flood flare, or charged shot and then come back to me
lucid oar
And that’s harder than modded imo
tight basin
bruh 😭😭😭 try beo without mirrage shot, flood flare, or charged shot and then ...
i did that
thorn tendon
seeded just for dio attack start
lucid oar
bruh 😭😭😭 try beo without mirrage shot, flood flare, or charged shot and then ...
Try eris without clockets tidal dash jolted
thorn tendon
well epic too ig
tight basin
i've done without mirage, flood, and cshot
neon terrace
mfs who think beo are the best def llay modded/seeded
neon terrace
Try eris without clockets tidal dash jolted
easily, anything works on eris
ionic crown
mfs who think beo are the best def llay modded/seeded
I would say none of them are the best
lucid oar
Try eris without clockets tidal dash jolted
(It sucks)
thorn tendon
beo is one of the best unmodded aspects
neon terrace
(It sucks)
the bomb absorb buff is huge tfym
tight basin
easily, anything works on eris
anything works on beo too 
lucid oar
Passion beo with snow burst is still very good
proper furnace
Wait nvm why did i think it had 62
ionic crown
easily, anything works on eris
ok so chill on attack, doom on special, and passion dash
lucid oar
easily, anything works on eris
All aspects can be cleared Boonless so anything works on everything
proper furnace
Wait nvm why did i think it had 62
"Only"60
neon terrace
anything works on beo too <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
the attack and special are clunky as hell on beo if u dont get a good cast it's garbage af
tight basin
me who cleared 45 heat with thunder flare today
also dont use the special
and the atk is fine tbh
ionic crown
the attack and special are clunky as hell on beo if u dont get a good cast it's ...
You can make the same argument with eris 
lucid oar
Dash strike makes up for the attack
tight basin
if i cant use cshot i can just use sudden rush it's whatever
ionic crown
If you don’t get good X then it’s bad or whatever
tight basin
literally no one is saying eris is bad btw
we're just saying it's def not the best aspect
tight basin
everyone can agree eris is a top aspect, just not THE top
tawny knoll
Funny magnet cutter go brrrrrr
tight basin
hell eris could be argued as top 3
tawny knoll
Now that’s my kind of brainless
Mixed with Poseidon special? Baby you got a STEW brewing
proper furnace
Now for funny discussion
What weapon is more oonga boonga
Eris or achilles
lucid oar
Eris
tight basin
i'm bad at achilles so eris ofc
lucid oar
I’m bad at both
tight basin
well same
tawny knoll
Works fine for me, idk, sounds like a skill issue on your part
proper furnace
Eris is like the introduction weapon to speedrunning tbh
Comfy and gets the results show quock
🤝
lucid oar
🤝
neon terrace
You can make the same argument with eris <:dusa:522248771409543188>
how? it's good with literally any attack or special due to the buff
tight basin
i used beo first
proper furnace
how? it's good with literally any attack or special due to the buff
% boons suck on the attack
lucid oar
how? it's good with literally any attack or special due to the buff
It’s not good with any % attack boon
tight basin
a +500% buff to the attack is like 60 damage per bullet
which is like
good yeah
but
500%
chaos shield gimmick point blank is 75 in contrast
and the gimmick sucks
tawny knoll
The aspect of all time
tight basin
but also yeah, any cast besides icy flare can work on beo
and any % atk can work on beo because loading cast gives it +100% atk damage
theoretically how well would spread fire eris go
because ik you get like 6 bullets in the chamber
but that's also the only way to get % damage to work
neon terrace
It’s not good with any % attack boon
yeah it is
icy flare and hunter flare are awful. how can yall call such a one dimensional aspect the best lmao zeus > beo easily
tight basin
i mean it's just 1 flare that's utterly horrible
hunter is fine because it opens mirage still
also a 220% damage boost on a eris bullet is 32 damage a bullet, which frankly is kinda sad
also zeus is pretty horrible for speed
neon terrace
also a 220% damage boost on a eris bullet is 32 damage a bullet, which frankly i...
dps dawg
tight basin
it's pretty horrible frankly
neon terrace
u fire like 20 eris bullets in the time it takes to load 1 cast and bull rush without sudden rush on beo
yes
im not great at the game, only been playing a couple months, but i did 40 on every weapon and have sub 10 on the rail and fists
tight basin
a clip of that damage is 384 damage, cshot beo with a cast loaded is 160, each cast is at minimum doing 120 damage each without mirage
also beo spits out damage a lot faster
neon terrace
but one of my friends did 54 heat with eris
tight basin
but one of my friends did 54 heat with eris
i could ping the 60 heat beo player probably
angel prob tbh
i can check
either way i can ping one of them
well baj is mainly zeus isnt he
and we already know zeus is strong for heat
fair
oh it's some chinese dude who did 60 beo nvm
wait beo cleared 62 huh
wait
i read the thing wrong
neon terrace
modding and seeding skews ppl's perception a lot. some dude who has a ton of experience used beo at a gdq and only got like a 12:30
tawny knoll
Games Done Quick
thorn tendon
rta or igt
tight basin
12:30 rta is insane btw
thorn tendon
there are players worse than tree??
tight basin
the only way i can see beo getting a 12:30 at an event is if it wasn't a 2sack
maybe 4 sack for that
and a ton of bad rooms like unarmored witches and swordmen
yeah 3 sack doesnt have to fight nonminiboss rooms
4 sack is rough
thorn tendon
true shot flare gdq run
tight basin
where's the run actually i'd like to check it out
ping me when it's found because i need to eat dinner
neon terrace
luck wise it was a terrible, terrible run tbf, he started with poseidon's keepsake, rolled twice, and got stuck with like tempest flourish, flood shot, and poseidon's aid. he didnt get deadly strike either and ended up settling for crush shot i think
tight basin
luck wise it was a terrible, terrible run tbf, he started with poseidon's keepsa...
Okay that explains the bad time
neon terrace
12:30 rta is insane btw
actually it mightve been an rta run but the igt was 12 something i remember
tight basin
3 rerolls gone off the start is horrible for the run and warrants a reset
neon terrace
im looking too
tight basin
actually it mightve been an rta run but the igt was 12 something i remember
12:30 rta is a cracked run
Def not rta
neon terrace
3 rerolls gone off the start is horrible for the run and warrants a reset
yeah id have reset fs
thorn tendon
tempest flourish 12:30 rta
neon terrace
12:30 rta is a cracked run
no yeah ik, the run was rta i think so he prob had tight deadline on but the ingame time was 12:30 or so
tight basin
This isn't a fair comparison tbh
You can't call beo bad because of a bad start
I want to see eris get a good time with a % based atk and flat damage special
neon terrace
Oh nvm just found it, it was a section of all weapons run lmao
neon terrace
You can't call beo bad because of a bad start
im not saying it's bad, just not the best
plain river
Beowulf is one of the best
neon terrace
tight basin
im not saying it's bad, just not the best
Eris is the best either
Like across every category besides routed
Beo is just better
neon terrace
Beo is just not nearly veratile enough it's super one dimensional
tight basin
I wouldn't even call beo the best frankly either
plain river
Beowulf isn’t the best but neither is eris
tight basin
Beo is just not nearly veratile enough it's super one dimensional
Same with eris no?
ionic crown
I don’t think anyone is saying any aspect is the best
tight basin
Beo is a bit hard to learn tbh but it's not that difficult either
neon terrace
Same with eris no?
i mean at least all parts of the weapon are used
ionic crown
just that making eris definitely the best is wrong
tight basin
i mean at least all parts of the weapon are used
That doesn't have to make it good tbh
ionic crown
i mean at least all parts of the weapon are used
That doesn’t make it better
tight basin
And sword
neon terrace
sword is by far the worst
tight basin
Shield special is just bad in general except on zeus
plain river
You use every button on achilles does that make it the best weapon
neon terrace
Shield special is just bad in general except on zeus
chaos is literally based around the special lol
tight basin
And it's bad
plain river
chaos is literally based around the special lol
Chaos special is uber bad
tight basin
Hades gimmickk
It's usable on spin builds at least
plain river
I mean zag sword gimmick
tight basin
I dont use the shield much outside of Zeus tbf but a lot of ppl like Chaos
Doesn't make it good
plain river
Damn bro look at how popular sword is for fresh file though
neon terrace
i mean haelian had it in s tier on his aspect tier list
nah bc he says in yhe vid how broken it was in 1.0
plain river
The only reason chaos is any good is because it is a shield
tight basin
It did get nerfed a lot
plain river
The only reason chaos is any good is because it is a shield
It’s gimmick doesn’t work well
ionic crown
TRUE
plain river
Take bouldy boon
neon terrace
how do u guys see the highest heat done for every aspect?
plain river
64 heat routed zeus shield is the only one I remember
neon terrace
also like i kinda doubt theres any way to know for sure that nobody has done a higher heat on any given aspect
humans are too good at video games
plain river
also like i kinda doubt theres any way to know for sure that *nobody* has done a...
If they didn’t post is somewhere then they didn’t post it somewhere
We go off what we have seen and confirmed
ionic crown
even some random having a simple screenshot of the completed screen is scuffed
neon terrace
i bet someone in the world has done 60 heat guan yu but we just dont know about it bc they didnt plaster the jnternet with their achievement
ionic crown
i bet someone in the world has done 60 heat guan yu but we just dont know about ...
Why would they not
recording software is plentiful and easily available
bragging rights
neon terrace
there has to be someone whos that good at video games, i mean theres mfs beating every souls game + sekiro and bloodborne all back to back with no breaks hitless
ionic crown
sure pal
it’s just skill
No luck involved
anyways I find this a pointless logical exercise
I believe I will meme beam now
plain river
there has to be someone whos that good at video games, i mean theres mfs beating...
Someone could fly we just wouldn’t know it because they didn’t show everyone
neon terrace
yeah, and? someone could dedicate a ton of time and figure it out. not saying several people but a few probably have for each weapon
ionic crown
yeah, and? someone could dedicate a ton of time and figure it out. not saying se...
ok? What’s your point though?
plain river
What’s the point in Shroedingers 60 heat clear
ionic crown
Say there is someone else who has done gun on a higher heat threshold
does that suddenly make eris the best aspect in the game
neon terrace
tens of thousands of people have bought this game, it's not like there's no chance
plain river
oh yeah btw I did 65 heat on zag sword
neon terrace
wouod be very impressive
plain river
tens of thousands of people have bought this game, it's not like there's no chan...
It’s highly unlikely they would’ve gotten that far without being involved with the community
neon terrace
It’s highly unlikely they would’ve gotten that far without being involved with t...
being involved doesnt necessarily mean posting every achievement u make
some ppl are just built different in video games
ionic crown
being involved doesnt necessarily mean posting every achievement u make
being the first person to get said achievement feels like something most anyone would post
plain river
Get to the point
neon terrace
being the first person to get said achievement feels like something most anyone ...
u can never know ur the first to do it though
plain river
unless it's literally 60+
Get to the point
neon terrace
Get to the point
the point is, theres no way to discern the "heat records" on any aspect, apart from just knowing obviously that the max is 64
plain river
the point is, theres no way to discern the "heat records" on any aspect, apart f...
We go off what people put the work in to record and post
and confirm they’re real
Any human record we have isn’t trustable because someone else could’ve been better and just not recorded it
neon terrace
Any human record we have isn’t trustable because someone else could’ve been bett...
eh for certain stuff it's just not feasible, i.e. to be faster than usain bolt at his peak you'd not only have to have even better genetics (fast twitch muscles, etc) but also world class training, dieting, etc and no other responsibilities
plain river
but it’s possible
like you’ve been saying
It could happen
shroedingers world record is truly
Someone else always could’ve been better and just not recorded
I can’t spell
neon terrace
it just kinda isnt possible though
neon terrace
that's completely different from doing something in a videogame
plain river
are you 100% it isn’t possible?
neon terrace
u cannot be serious rn
a decade of world class physical training, dieting, and pt around the clock, all day every day, combined with world class talent, versus some guy who's really good at a videogame and played it a lot but didnt post his/her achievements
plain river
And also the fundemental idea is the same
Someone out there could be better just unrecorded and you wouldn’t know
Which is stupid
It’s a stupid idea
like yeah it’s possible
But why dwell on the possibility
What people put the work in to record is what we know
It’s just like ME
For the same reasons as ME
+20% crit chance off of ddash on any given build
Deadly strike 
thorn tendon
attack if you didn’t have heart rend
plain river
neon terrace
I dont even remember using any langiage that would trigger that wtf
tight basin
+20% crit chance off of ddash on any given build
Ddash on flood beo after getting mirage would be pretty busted lmao
Doesn't open mettle either
Breaching probably
neon terrace
I mean you have Heart Rend already, wouldnt it be best to go for Hunter's Mark or Hide Breaker
neon terrace
Breaching easy, unless you have a really strong sword special build going for some reason
tight basin
Well if it doesn't apply to dstrikes then it's useless
And super nova would actually do something
Then it probably doesn't affect dstrikes
I think
Damn if that's the case then it's horrible
You could test it for us if you want lmao
If it is useless then we gotta change @plain river tier list
To be fair
Super nova isn't doing much
I guess it adds up over time on bosses
But it's eh in general
That's also fair
Prob fine to take but like
Considering every other hammer description and how they work
I doubt it works on dstrikes right
plain river
Well if it doesn't apply to dstrikes then it's useless
Breaching applies to dstrikes
tight basin
okay so hammer descriptions aren't even consistent
thorn tendon
or the other way around
plain river
The only thing that needs to be changed is shadow moving to an arthur only
I know for a fact that breaching and hoarding apply to dstrikes and shadow doesn’t
tight basin
bruh i thought hammer descriptions were like the only consistent thing in the game
guess not
very cool
--Sword hammers
Hoarding slash gold multiplier 5% > 15%
Cursed slash now works on dash strikes
Shadow slash now works on dash strikes
Flurry slash now deals ramping damage, 5 per hit with a 0.8s window
Super nova damage and range +20% > 50%
Double nova damage interval 0.2s > 0.1s--Sword hammers
part of pony's rebalance mod
these actually look really nice lmao
with this?
probably with the way it works i guess
didnt mention fixing how it works
but i guess it's better lmao
plain river
I knew that as well
tight basin
cruel thrust not applying to dstrikes as well is a travesty tho
plain river
Cruel thrust would be broken if allowed to apply to dstrikes
cunning urchin
~~anyways back to the topic of eris not being the best aspect in the game~~
hera...
No. Hera has the WR. Beowulf is fighting for the WR. 
tight basin
true croven doesnt have to fight
he has a folder
beo would have wr if croven played beo
he actually got a sub5 earlier today lmao
like 4:49 or something?
plain river
zag sword would have wr if croven played zag sword
tight basin
4:56 damn
cunning urchin
If Croven played all aspects, Hera would have the WR among his WRs.
tight basin
Cruel thrust would be broken if allowed to apply to dstrikes
it'd make it better than double edge lmao
plain river
it'd make it better than double edge lmao
It would be compatible with dedge
cunning urchin
That's because they're all trying to beat his WR with Beowulf.
tight basin
It would be compatible with dedge
well it's +200% damage and a 40% crit chance
plain river
+220% dstrike damage on 60 damage dstrike on +40% crit chance without boons, just hammers
cunning urchin
If both aspects one-shot everything, the aspect that can one-shot faster wins.
And that's Hera.
tight basin
isn't dedge just 140% more damage
cunning urchin
I didn't see the question lol.
cunning urchin
> --Sword hammers
> Hoarding slash gold multiplier 5% > 15%
> Cursed slash now w...
Double Nova change is a nerf tbh because now Thunder Flourish will only proc once lol.
And there's like no upside really.
Calculated Risk on sword is comfy.
tight basin
can't dash out of 2nd nova?
cunning urchin
can't dash out of 2nd nova?
Double Nova doesn't delay your recovery just like Relentless Volley on bow doesn't. 
neon terrace
losing to EM4 on 50 heat is so demoralizing
like ik it just means i was basically playing in 46 heat before but still
so close yet so far
tight basin
I've never done em4 on high heat lmao
Realistically I should but I don't feel like learning em4
proper furnace
I did em4 for 45
Was fun but i fully know i could have done it easoer without lol
cloud minnow
Is Frost Strike good on Fists?
tight basin
Nope
cloud minnow
is it just bad on everything then
proper furnace
Is a decent option on hestia at high rarity
Not as good as aphro but if it refuses to show up
Might as well
Same goes for rama
proper furnace
Dem % is decent at epic
plain river
Is Frost Strike good on Fists?
It’s good on everything that would take aphrodite
same with the special
cloud minnow
is chill just a bad debuff in general to play with then?
if her boons are mainly taken for the stat
plain river
is chill just a bad debuff in general to play with then?
No
Chill is good
Killing freeze is good
proper furnace
Chill is comfy
plain river
Chill is good for pstatus
cloud minnow
More just that it's not so good for building around then?
plain river
?
cloud minnow
erm as in
"If it's not worth taking frost strike on a fast attacking weapon, does that mean trying to play around building a lot of chill stacks is a bad idea"
plain river
I mean
proper furnace
Chiron artic blast can be funny on that idea
plain river
Building a lot of chill stacks happens anyways on low attack speed weapons because chill lasts for 8 seconds or something
plain river
If you’re asking for arctic blast purposes then yeah it’s not the greatest to build for
tight basin
The issue with Dem is that Aphrodite percent is better and if you're relying on chill for the slow so you can avoid stuff, then that's just something to work on
Ofc chill is good
But it's not really a go to option on any build
For the atk and special at least
Her supporting boons are fine
plain river
I found that spread fire zag rail can both make use of the +% well and apply chill stacks fast enough for arctic blast
tight basin
Chill at high heat is obv great because more room to dodge, but most of the time you'd rather have like aphro atk
plain river
And doom
cloud minnow
I thought doom doesn't stack?
plain river
Yeah it doesn’t
proper furnace
ME moment
plain river
But like you build merciful end and that doesn’t matter
cloud minnow
ah
neon terrace
ME can be kinda tough to acquire though, especially if you're using a build where you probably need DDash to get the most out kf it
tight basin
i mean to be fair the idea that high atk speed aspects can use doom on the atk is still applicable
neon terrace
well yeah, I just think of it as flat damage is better for parts of weapons that stack dps quickly
so dio, ares, zeus
but artemis is always good bc crits are huge, and aphro bc her percentages are huge
tight basin
on fast attacking weapons like rail and fists they'd suck on the atk
assuming you get artemis atk to 50%, you'd have a 15% chance for bullets to crit for like 45 or something
i guess if you get enough chaos additive it'd be better but also that's just too much effort lmao
plain river
The +% just doesn’t work for low base damage fast attacks
neon terrace
on fast attacking weapons like rail and fists they'd suck on the atk
I like them personally tbh, not Ares as much (though tbh unless I'm going for ME or HB I hate Ares in general) but Dio and Zeus for sure
plain river
Common lvl1 zeus strike on it owns is a doubling of your rails attack dps
The same can’t be anywhere near as said for arte or aphro attack on rail
neon terrace
If you get an epic aphro it's good still since it can be 100% or above
which is doubling
plain river
If you get an epic aphro it's good still since it can be 100% or above
That’s literally a lvl1 zeus strike without the aoe on rail
So zeus strike goes a whole lot farther
neon terrace
That’s literally a lvl1 zeus strike without the aoe on rail
does lvl 1 zeus really double it? i didnt know that lol i just like the chain lightning
plain river
does lvl 1 zeus really double it? i didnt know that lol i just like the chain li...
Base rail damage is 10 per hit
Common zeus strike is 10 per hit with aoe
common zeus strike makes every strike do 20
neon terrace
With the rail Im usually going for zeus or dio on attack and aphro or artemis on the special anyways
crits are triple damage so i feel like artemis still isnt bad
plain river
I’m just saying that the idea the artemis or aphro work well on low base damage fast attackers is wrong because flat damage goes infinitely farther
tight basin
zeus atk has greater aoe and chains 4 times or something (reduced damage but still)
plain river
It’s like a multiplicative 20% reduction each time
Maybe?
I remember we looked at the numbers once
neon terrace
btw what's the highest possible damage resist you can have at a time? like without being impervious
plain river
I think it closes in on 95% theoretically was what the wiki said but I have no basis for those numbers
tight basin
technically 100 if you get an impossible amount of poms on bronze skin
neon terrace
say you start an arthur run with epic bronze skin, then get epic different league and positive outlook on the next 2 chambers, and you have a pom blossom or something and keep just pomming those 3
maybe you get rare crop or something
tight basin
resist in multiplicative tho
plain river
.6 damage from arthur
.7 damage on abyssal blood iirc
.9 damage from epic bronze skin
.6 (or something) from weak with broken resolve
.9 from bouldy
That’s nearing on 80% I believe
I may need to double check my math for that
.7 from sturdy (hyper sprint)
Thats about 86% dmg resist
neon terrace
If you're somehow able to make the right boons heroic, is it theoretically possible to actually get near 90% damage resist?
in a run
plain river
If you're somehow able to make the right boons heroic, is it theoretically possi...
If you have arthur, abyssal blood, epic bronze skin, 10% from bouldy, hyper sprint, weaken with broken resolve, you should be nearing 86% damage resist
I believe
And then like
I’m blanking give me a second
Is high tolerance the right dio boon I’m thinking of?
tight basin
yeah that exists
plain river
If you have arthur, abyssal blood, epic bronze skin, 10% from bouldy, hyper spri...
Which would be an effective hp multiplier of (approximately) 7.14
plain river
Ew wtf
tight basin
i mean it's just overalp
plain river
I can’t read that
tight basin
but it's so disgusting
twin cloak
twin cloak
things just don't damage you at this stage so why bother
tight basin
funny
plain river
so it can't even get to 100%
I’ve been lied to
jovial niche
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779451865399368/1059399817199104061/...
how did you do this?
twin cloak
cheat engine
jovial niche
OH
plain river
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779451865399368/1059399817199104061/...
Your issue is it isn’t heroic
twin cloak
I'm pretty sure bronze skin pomming is relative to the amount of % left it needs to reach 100%
plain river
If you have arthur, abyssal blood, epic bronze skin, 10% from bouldy, hyper spri...
Oh and Rav will for another .9 ig
twin cloak
so it's asymptotic
plain river
Bring it to a little over 87.1% dmg resist
twin cloak
is different league pommable? I never take it
neon terrace
so it's asymptotic
well yeah of course it wouodnt ever actually hit literally 100%
plain river
well yeah of course it wouodnt ever actually hit literally 100%
Which means hades bot lied to us 
tight basin
I’ve been lied to
tight basin
I think it’s pommable
plain river
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1060443036099821568...
Ew
neon terrace
and damage has to be a ceiling function anyway, how high would your damage resist need to be such that literally everything in the game will do at most 1 damage, even with HL5, Boiling Blood from EM4 Hades' skull bloodstones, etc?
twin cloak
actually things just stop doing damage to you at this point
neon terrace
wait seriously? like altogether?
if you had a skullstone in you and you just stood in EM4's fire lasers, or directly took his b2b spin attacks, they would do zero damage?
plain river
actually things just stop doing damage to you at this point
Try to die to magma
turn on HS
and stand in magma
Magma
twin cloak
if you had a skullstone in you and you just stood in EM4's fire lasers, or direc...
it wouldn't even register as a hit
you wouldn't get hitstunned or anything
plain river
Wait does bronze skin even apply to magma
neon terrace
which aspects can do above 60 heat (that we know of)? ik rama and zeus have done max heat, can any others do it? ive seen eris and beowulf did 60, can anything else go above that
plain river
I think both zag and chaos have gone above because they’re shields
cunning urchin
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1060440062812225556...
Looks very LGBTQQIA...whatever letters come after that.
tight basin
lmao true
tight basin
which aspects can do above 60 heat (that we know of)? ik rama and zeus have done...
hestia did 60
zeus 63 (64 routed)
zag shield 62
chaos 61
hestia, rama, and beo 60
neon terrace
62 is a far cry from happening much less 64
oh nvm i swear i thought i heard somewhere that it had done 64 before mb
neon terrace
zeus 63 (64 routed)
zag shield 62
chaos 61
hestia, rama, and beo 60
how tf did zag shield do 62
tight basin
it's a shield
and has good damage
i haven't watched it
also angel is an insane player
plain river
oh nvm i swear i thought i heard somewhere that it had done 64 before mb
64 was done routed
tight basin
she has nearly all the high heat records
neon terrace
ok I just watched a 60 heat zag shield run, it was artemis attack w/ charged shot. ig the attack & dash strike bonus works on the bull rush too? had some big chaos attack boons
plain river
she has nearly all the high heat records
Does angel have the dcxxx heat wr though
tight basin
the what
plain river
Mod game so you can choose more of the same pact
Have dc100+
Have funny “heat record”
neon terrace
64 was done routed
do routed runs not count? how do u know if someone claims unseeded/routed but they fixed a seed or something so that they didnt need to do obvious rng manips during the run?
tight basin
death before the run has to be recorded for unseeded
plain river
do routed runs not count? how do u know if someone claims unseeded/routed but th...
They aren’t in the same category
tight basin
that's way all speedruns have a starting death
cunning urchin
she has nearly all the high heat records
Modded high heat WRs.
tight basin
ah yeah fair
plain river
do routed runs not count? how do u know if someone claims unseeded/routed but th...
Unseeded requires them to show a death from before hand
To prove it’s a new seed
cunning urchin
Retrash still has the most unmodded high heat WRs.
Not saying AngeL1C couldn't probably get them if she wanted to, but she hasn't.
neon terrace
Retrash is the one who did Eris 60 heat but idk if that's unmodded or not
tight basin
prob unmodded
if it was modded i would've seen his name on the leaderboard
there are like 2 other names on modded leaderboard lmao
zyruvias for hestia and i think ocaml
yeah lmao
ocaml on hades and chiron
cunning urchin
Retrash's 60 Heat Eris is unmodded but seeded for epic Drunken Strike.
You can find the unmodded and modded high heat leaderboards both pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.
cunning urchin
62 is a far cry from happening much less 64
Tailesque got burned out from resetting for Greatest Reflex, last I remember. 
Single dash Rama EM4 is just not happening. 
tight basin
does single dash rama work decently up until that point or is it just suffering all the way through
assuming you get 2 good hammers
because iirc rama needs them both to do well
cunning urchin
Well, anything that's not shield or Hestia suffers everywhere with 1 dash. But you can kinda make it work.
tight basin
fair
cunning urchin
Elysium can become pretty painful in my own experience.
But then again, you can have three dashes and meet sudden death in Elysium on occasion.
neon terrace
Unseeded requires them to show a death from before hand
but cant those be edited though? like u could easily splice clips of a random death and zag running back to the courtyard
tight basin
yeah but like, if you do rng manips it gets sus
in a seeded run without rng manips, you can guarantee c1, c2, and maybe c3 rewards
but that's about it
if you spam summon before entering each room a billion times then yeah it's prob fine because it's consistent
neon terrace
yeah ik, i was js is there some way to manipulate seeds without doing obvious stuff like checking the codex ornsummoning over and over
tight basin
thing is, if you want to manip a run without it being sus, you can only do it at the very start
and it'd be obvious when you do like a random cast or summon but never do it again
and like, if you splice the beginning death into a seeded start, it's not really gonna matter too much because you're only keeping the start of the run, which can be reset for tbh
plain river
“Yeah I just felt like casting/summoning at that moment and my rng worked out perfectly”
neon terrace
and like, if you splice the beginning death into a seeded start, it's not really...
if u reset it becomes seeded though no?
tight basin
i mean if you do it at after like tartarus, it's not sus because you haven't been doing anything prior to that and there's no way you would be on the same seed
tight basin
if u reset it becomes seeded though no?
reset means killing yourself
which would have to be recorded ofc
neon terrace
reset means killing yourself
yeah ik, but i mean if you're resetting over and over until u get what u want, isnt that seeded?
tight basin
no because when you die the seed is still random
seeded means you know what you're gonna get
if you keep resetting until you get what you want, that's a different thing
you still have no idea what you were gonna get
twin cloak
hestia also suffers everywhere with 1 dash fwiw
just less so than rama which really likes its dash strike
tight basin
also resetting a billion times at the start for what you want is what high heat players do lmao
esp unmodded
modded too if you need a good rarity
plain river
Why route your run when you can do thousands of runs till you perfect rng without manipulating anyways
neon terrace
also resetting a billion times at the start for what you want is what high heat ...
why lol just take a god keepsake
neon terrace
ah true
but theyre so good at the game tho do they really need the exact perfect start in order to win?
tight basin
just because they're good doesnt mean they can work with that at high heat
like zeus starting with a hammer would suck with js3 dc2
because you run out of time
you dont have much aoe or damage
might not even see a zeus boon until c3
and you could get shafted by bad enemies all the way through there
plain river
When you have JS3, bp2, mm, cp2, dc2, ri4 and td3, you don’t exactly have the option to not take the perfect start
Lacking dps will kill you
tight basin
just because you're really good at the game doesn't mean you can work with anything the game throws at you
angel almost beat 64 heat and was off by 1 second
if she got 1 room that was better, whether it be a free room or just better enemies, she would've won
also she did need the perfect start because of general dps
so much so that she got a mod to force all epic boons as the first boon
and used the speedrunning modpack for all the benefits
cunning urchin
hestia also suffers everywhere with 1 dash fwiw
Especially when a lot of damage would normally come from Tidal Dash. But at least your Attack is a very quick shot that revovers almost immediately, so you still have a lot of mobility even with only 1 Dash.
neon terrace
hestia also suffers everywhere with 1 dash fwiw
how come? if u dont have dc on shouldnt it be one of the best 1 dash weapons ?
twin cloak
technically, everything suffers everywhere with 1 dash
the second dash is soooo important
except shields lol
twin cloak
yeah cause it's a quick powerful shot that just comes out
tight basin
how tf did zag shield do 62
aight just watched the video, turns out cshot lvl 7 heroic aphro atk, ddash, and pressure points will do the trick
also common swift strike, which surprisingly mattered
neon terrace
aight just watched the video, turns out cshot lvl 7 heroic aphro atk, ddash, and...
yeah i watched it too but when i said what he did my comment got deleted bc i didnt "watch my language"
tight basin
she
neon terrace
it's a woman? mb i heard her speak at the end and thought it was a guy for some reason
tight basin
i didnt hear anyone speak lmao
neon terrace
might have been a diff vid of hers, i saw a few zag shield high heat clears she did
cunning urchin
also common swift strike, which surprisingly mattered
Also being AngeL1C.
tight basin
that too
she might've timed out without it tho tbh
she finished 5 seconds overtime
also snappier blocking probably saved her at some point during dad fight
tight basin
ngl the only thing that would've made the run stronger would be like higher rarity swift strike and any call that would let her do damage while it's going
and higher level ddash obv
cunning urchin
Don't evade the swear filter btw.
plain river
Ddash my favourite curse word
hexed summit
I saw a popular build for Poseidon sword is Lightning Phalanx, how should I build towards it?
cunning urchin
Phalanx Shot > poms on Cast. Look for any core boon from Lord Zeus after that to unlock Lightning Phalanx in their pool. Avoid taking core boons from other gods because that will hurt your odds of finding Lightning Phalanx.
But after you have Lightning Phalanx, it's fine to take other cores.
Like.. Lady Aphrodite for example for maybe Smoldering Air or Parting Shot. Lady Artemis for maybe Deadly Reversal and Lightning Rod.
raw raven
Does the Dash-Strike boost from Artemis Dash buff also increase the damage on the Dash-Upper? Doing a Aspect of Demeter + Explosive Upper run and wondering if it'd synergize.
valid dagger
Does the Dash-Strike boost from Artemis Dash buff also increase the damage on th...
Yes
raw raven
yeehaw
valid dagger
Lunge from Chaos also boosts it
tight crystal
Is there any good build for Gilgamesh other than a Duo boon from Ares and Athina?
valid dagger
Is there any good build for Gilgamesh other than a Duo boon from Ares and Athina...
You can do dash only with tidal dash
Or hangover duo hunting
tight crystal
I would prefer the build as intense as OG Ares and Athina tho cause
NGL i love that build but maaaaaaaaaan i hate that im very unlucky with Ares boons
Litterally not making this up
fringe jacinth
Whats the deal with the myrmidon bracer? Does it have any use??
tight crystal
Ares like a father abondons me after 1 visit
valid dagger
Well you wont find a build as strong because Gilgamesh isnt a very good weapon to begin with
valid dagger
Whats the deal with the myrmidon bracer? Does it have any use??
It's pretty weak unfortunately
valid dagger
Use Dem fists instead
tight basin
I would prefer the build as intense as OG Ares and Athina tho cause
Nothing else on fists can get close to that dps
valid dagger
And run zeus
fringe jacinth
Anyway im of the opinion that heart rend is good on literally anything
tight crystal
I do tho
somber drum
I found Gilgamesh combos well with the Dionysus cast because you can lob the cast, hit them with the special debuff before it lands and slay them while they're in the Festive Fog
valid dagger
Heartrend is alright
tight basin
Anyway im of the opinion that heart rend is good on literally anything
Heart rend on fists would make your attacks crit for like 40 damage or something
tight crystal
Just like more fast and intense combat rather than one shot build
valid dagger
Run Zeus
And pray for more Zeus and a good Hermes
It's a good build just takes quite a bit to get going
And scale well into lategame
tight crystal
Even though Beowulf Dionysus my top 3 builds
Im quite interested whats the most meme build other than dash only builds?
*a
fringe jacinth
My favorite meme build is the athena/demeter duo that restores ur health plus maybe smoldering air, ideal for people who suck at the game
tight basin
Stubborn roots don't do anything if you don't get to your last health bar lmao
valid dagger
Just smoldering air will get you the same results
tight basin
Lmao yeah
iron ether
Omg, last night was the first time I'd ever completed a run without a divine aid.
cunning urchin
Anyway im of the opinion that heart rend is good on literally anything
It's good on the two crit aspects: Nemesis and Zag Bow.
valid dagger
Solid on Chiron too
cunning urchin
Yeah.
serene rain
I'ma guess best way to farm is to take the +20%, trinket of posseidon and as much chaos boons as possible ?
valid dagger
I'ma guess best way to farm is to take the +20%, trinket of posseidon and as muc...
Yes
Ideally while sticking to a good build and trying to go fast so you finish as many runs as possible
serene rain
i usually go no heat lol
usually takes me around...20 minutes to finish a run ?
mostly missing
Decor
80 titan blood for weapons
themes
titles
done the rest
but yea this game is long to grind :/
altho chiron bow, zeus shield, nemesis blade, hestia gun, zag's spear and the magnetic gauntlet are so op
valid dagger
If you want to try going fast, use FO1/2 and EM2, but yea you'll just have to do a lot of runs to buy everything
serene rain
Fo1/2 ? EM2 ?
valid dagger
Forced Overtime on the pact, it makes enemies spawn faster but they'll also attack faster so it takes some getting used to
serene rain
If you want to try going fast, use FO1/2 and EM2, but yea you'll just have to do...
the trader helps a lot I at least finished the mirror completely
valid dagger
And Extreme Measures 2 makes the lernie arena smaller so heads are grouped up together and easier to kill fast
serene rain
And Extreme Measures 2 makes the lernie arena smaller so heads are grouped up to...
true
i also use the Sisyphus Companion
free jewels
i think at some point, i had like...+400-500% more jewels and bloodstone
tight basin
Tight deadline to remove survival rooms too
tight basin
Also get the pos Dio duo exclusive access, you might get lucky enough to get an epic eclipse boon from chaos
Not necessary frankly but it is an idea
serene rain
Also get the pos Dio duo exclusive access, you might get lucky enough to get an ...
oh i once did a run without it...got two of them
i did a run where i got chaos mostly
Hades handed my ass over
serene rain
so for farming purposes it seemed gilgamesh aspect a bad idea it looked like i was taking much more damage for some reason
I watched um...Windette's video about builds
bow's build seemed good (and it is) but the shield it felt lacking...
OH in terms of the uh
mirror upgrade is it better to have the
+40% status damage
or the more god boons
proper furnace
or the more god boons
+5% per god unless your build has easy access to the 2 curses
You get your dmg earlier and its only a 15% difference
serene rain
+5% per god unless your build has easy access to the 2 curses
i mean when doign chiron i go for Dyo and uh... Aphro
but gun
i never go for it
proper furnace
Yeah if you are doing hangover chiron +40% is best
serene rain
yea
proper furnace
On others just take the free dmg without going out of your way
proper furnace
Shield in general or an specific aspect
serene rain
i guess in general cus im mostly uses Zeus aspect but it feels lacluster
proper furnace
Zeus shield slap zeus special on it
Then things like static discharge/double strike/splitting bolt
serene rain
oh true since everytime it hits it electrocutes
proper furnace
If you get zeus call take aphro atk or smth to open their duo
proper furnace
If you get zeus call take aphro atk or smth to open their duo
(or another call that isnt artemis)
Normal shield you can focus on your atk with charged shot/pulv blow
Slap a high % boon and go for it
Also zeus shield likes explosive return hammer
The explosion does nice dmg and spreads zeus special
serene rain
i see
so basically Zeus shield take zeus
but whenever i am doing a Posseidon run for the farming purposes am i better of taking another fhield
proper furnace
Do you have the 4th aspect?
serene rain
i have every aspect
proper furnace
Beo shield is amazing with pos start
serene rain
girlfriend and I farmed a looooooooot for this game
serene rain
Beo shield is amazing with pos start
which boon usually I could postpone the more rewards if it means better stuff
proper furnace
Flood flare has nice dmg/aoe and is half of mirage shot
Which is broken on beo
The 2nd flare doesnt have reduced dmg
serene rain
oh right i can charge the cast on the shield
proper furnace
So just that boon doubles your dmg
proper furnace
Yeah +% per god there
serene rain
can i ask questions for every weapon ? since i have you rn ?
proper furnace
Sure
proper furnace
Tidal dash start, grab any atk
serene rain
keep in mind my nemesis blade still isnt fully upgraded :/
proper furnace
Hangover can be ok if you wanna open exclusive access, can lack dmg if you dont get something like hyper sprint + rush delivery
Otherwise use your usual artemis or something like that on atk
serene rain
okay
proper furnace
Best hammer is double edge by far, piercing wave, breaching slash are good 2nd choices
Build works for basically any non arthur aspects
serene rain
so basically tidal dash, any attack,
Hammer : Double edge
I hate Arthru anyways it's way too slow
proper furnace
Yeah
serene rain
okay cool
valid dagger
Start tidal dash take any atk
serene rain
note to add don't ask me to take Guan Yu
valid dagger
serene rain
Start tidal dash take any atk
oh
proper furnace
Start tidal dash take any atk
And add flurry jab if it shows up
serene rain
Shield
proper furnace
If doing achilles can do hunting blades if arte-ares show or force one
valid dagger
Well not literally any attack, ideally you want Zeus Ares or Dio if it’s not Achilles, if it’s Achilles then arty attack is good too, combined with a solid cast and call
serene rain
oh
valid dagger
Stuff like low rarity athena dem attack is not great for damage on spear
Even high rarity is barely tolerable
And avoid Poseidon attack
Always
proper furnace
Poseidon has an atk?
valid dagger
They added it in a recent patch
serene rain
okay I see
valid dagger
But they’re thinking abbot removing it in the next one
serene rain
They added it in a recent patch
oh it wasnt there before ?
okay uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
so basically spear
valid dagger
oh it wasnt there before ?
Im just memeing you basically always ignore it it’s so bad
serene rain
oh
im confused for spear rn
any spear, the dash of posseidon, preferably zeus, ares or dio if not achiless
for cast and special ?
(i mainly use Zag Spear)
serene rain
ye
tight basin
if the spear isn't achilles, you dont really care what your cast is frankly
serene rain
okay cool
valid dagger
Special doesn’t matter much if you’re not doing a special focused build
serene rain
nice okay
tight basin
ideally your cast will lodge so you can make use of boiling blood
tight basin
yeah
serene rain
okay good
the bow...I already know how to brake it anyways just slap dyo on special and aphro on attack
tight basin
if you get exploding launch, you can focus a bit on your special if you want
if you dont want to do that, then at the very least it's usable lmao
tight basin
okay good
the bow...I already know how to brake it anyways just slap dyo on spe...
assuming chiron yeah
serene rain
i use chiron always so
tight basin
rama too i guess
serene rain
Twin Fists
I use Magnetic mostly
tight basin
talos moment
serene rain
talos ?
tight basin
def an aspect of all time
tawny knoll
Twin Fists
I use Magnetic mostly
🤝
serene rain
Gilgamesh also but uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
tight basin
gilga unironically worst aspect in the game
serene rain
an option to say the least
which is the best ?
serene rain
gilga unironically worst aspect in the game
yes that +25% damage
tight basin
well not even that part tbh
serene rain
dem easily
oh...it's only level 1
tight basin
even if you got rid of the part of maim were you take more damage
it's still bad lmao
serene rain
okay i use demeter from now on
tight basin
shorter dashes, longer dash cooldowns, slow atks
serene rain
shorter dashes, longer dash cooldowns, slow atks
true
okay so for fists since I start with Posseidon for farming purposis
serene rain
okay i can dodge Posseidon tbf
tight basin
oh you can take his cast i guess
serene rain
i can take anything as long as i get Chaos behind it
so if posseidon sucks i'll just go for getting Chaos
tight basin
could do something like, pos cast, ares atk, curse of drowning i guess
not the best thing in the world
or blizzard shot talos
serene rain
ima use demeter since it seems ot be better
tight basin
ima use demeter since it seems ot be better
could try curse of drowning i guess then
with ares atk most people would rather go for ME
and slap on CoD on top of that once they get ME going
but otherwise it's kinda mid lmao
serene rain
ME ?
tight basin
merciful end
serene rain
oh yea i know it's op as hell
yea tbh i'll just do that build I think at this point
okay
lastly
The Gun
I use Hestia and Zag
tight basin
if you're farming resources and want to start poseidon, tdash on hestia is the way to go
tight basin
aphrodite atk
serene rain
in terms of mirror Ima guess everything on the +1.5% except chiron
tight basin
or any epic % atk boon you see that isn't poseidon or artemis
serene rain
or any epic % atk boon you see that isn't poseidon or artemis
oki
proper furnace
in terms of mirror Ima guess everything on the +1.5% except chiron
You dont have family fav maxed?
tight basin
in terms of mirror Ima guess everything on the +1.5% except chiron
is that family favorites
proper furnace
Is 5%
serene rain
You dont have family fav maxed?
oh im sorry I did max the mirror COMPLETELY i just neevr used it
serene rain
is that family favorites
yes family favorite
proper furnace
Fair
serene rain
for beo apparently i use the uh
serene rain
Beo flood flare > arte atk > mirage shot
dis
proper furnace
If its for farm then yeah just start flood
tight basin
passion beo is mainly used for high heat anyways so dw about it lmao
serene rain
okay cool
tight basin
but it's like the only other build that would use pstatus
serene rain
i should do a Google Doc to note up eevrything
tight basin
for farming, you want to start out with pos no matter what
unless it's fists i guess, then you can cry
serene rain
for farming, you want to start out with pos no matter what
yea fists i cry
serene rain
dash only gilga lmao
oof
proper furnace
You do zap fists with wet dash?
serene rain
so lemme get it straight
tight basin
hell yeah buddy
proper furnace
Amazing comment
serene rain
Sword->Tidal Dash->Any Attack->Hammer Double Edge
tight basin
preferably nemesis but yeah
serene rain
I am A Lesbo 
tight basin
4/7/10 heat for farming lmao
em2 td1
em2 td1 fo1
em2 td1 fo2
ah
fiddlesticks
but those pacts basically
if you dont know fo, you can either try 1 or just not do it at all
em2 makes lernie faster assuming you dont die
serene rain
i'll learn
serene rain
Spear->Tidal Dash->any attack-Flury Jab if show up
serene rain
oh yea
spear->Tidal Dash-> Zeus, Ares, Dio (preferably) Arty if Achilles for ATK->Flurry Jab if it shows up
that ?
yea
tight basin
yeah
serene rain
Shield Beo->Flood Flare->Arte Atk->Mirage Shot
tight basin
Yep
tight basin
Flood flare damage kinda sucks without mirage ngl