nope
#h1-builds-and-combat
tight basin
molten peak
Oh
tight basin
charged shot turns your bull rush into a "shot" that pierces
base 80 damage
no matter how much you charge
tight basin
Your Bull Rush instead fires a piercing shot that deals 80 base damage.
tight basin
But I think it would have ruined this build
it's the best hammer for shields lmao
i doubt it'd make it worse
you lose the iframes from the charge, but you get a ton more damage
and more consistent too
also considering you can spam the crap out of cshot
molten peak
Yeah the iframes were a big part of my win here
molten peak
Yeah block was also important but bull rushing through attacks was also important
rose nexus
Charged shot with Aphrodite attack kinda blows things up
tight basin
Yeah block was also important but bull rushing through attacks was also importan...
that's fair tbh
molten peak
Good to know
tight basin
bull rush and charged shot are just busted lmao
molten peak
Yeah bull rushing through fathers spear spin saved my butt a lot
tight basin
once you learn the timings better, you can just block the spin
molten peak
Yeah I did that too
tight basin
cshot is so much damage so fast lmao
molten peak
But being able to dash thru it let me also get off damage
While being safe
But I'll try it on my next shield run
Wait how does snow burst work with aspect of hera bow
Does the damage happen when you load or hit
Meh I'll take it and find out
It's on load
molten peak
I can see that
cunning urchin
Which is much more reliable than iframes
Hmm no. I-frames more reliable than block.
rose nexus
Well I meant specifically blocking vs Bull rush iframes
Now I know how shackle feels all the time 😦
molten peak
how to people use the bow with the primary attack. i always do well up until the twins and father then it starts to fall apart cause i have to stand still for my main damage
the only good runs i have ha with the bow have been special focus
what am i missing
wide skiff
There's also easier to execute power shot hammer
molten peak
are you dash striking
im typically going for perfect shors
molten peak
There's also easier to execute power shot hammer
yeah even with that
wide skiff
even with that you rarely need
tight basin
you can still get perfect shots while dash striking
wide skiff
to use Perfect shots
molten peak
you can still get perfect shots while dash striking
wait really?
wide skiff
Yeah
tight basin
yes 
wide skiff
it does less damage
molten peak
huh
wide skiff
but it works anyways like usual
tight basin
dash strikes always do less damage, but you need the faster charge rate for bow
tight basin
the faster charge rate is more important than the damage
tight basin
dash -> charge -> release
wide skiff
I've been doing my combo wrong then.
wide skiff
But yeah power shot exists for dash strike, learned that on the wiki on how to get rama
molten peak
didnt know you could charge it
tight basin
Charge - Dash on blink
this technically is a dash strike i believe, but you dont get the faster charge rate and you just dropped your damage for no reason
tight basin
didnt know you could charge it
it's a bow
tight basin
Hestia habits
you're dashing before and after your shots anyways lmao so you're still dash striking
wide skiff
you're dashing before and after your shots anyways lmao so you're still dash str...
Do be true.
molten peak
i thought dash strike was always and only a minimum power shot
wide skiff
I don't like the bow alot but its certainly busted when ya can get your build going
just like with
any weapon tbh
molten peak
(too use to the bows in CotDG)
wide skiff
cept Guan Yu
tight basin
oh which bow are you using btw @molten peak
tight basin
guan yu is the 2nd best spear, which isn't saying much because spears suck
molten peak
oh which bow are you using btw <@135927319033413632>
last run was aspect of hestia, but i just unlocked it
tight basin
hestia isn't a bow
tight basin
did you mean hera lmao
wide skiff
cept for Achilles
molten peak
got my H's mixed up
wide skiff
Achilles is great man
but even then
you just build uncle build
and that gets boring
molten peak
Achilles is great man
nah give me increased range primary and i dont need an aspect for spear
tight basin
yeah hera
for hera, you want twin/triple, perfect, and/or point blank for hammers
in that order
wide skiff
I like that hammer, but i still don'
use it alot
not enough to make me use it when
Achilles
with charged skewer and crit
will destroy anything I look at
molten peak
bow + doom on special + doom stacking is pretty good
tight basin
achilles cant get charged skewer iirc
wide skiff
wait it can't?
molten peak
just dash spam special
tight basin
wait it can't?
nope
wide skiff
well that explains some things
molten peak
achilles cant get charged skewer iirc
i think it can cause i think i got the option on run i was running achilles
wide skiff
I've been looking for skewer for so damn long.
tight basin
nope
tight basin
that's breaching skewer
molten peak
oh
wide skiff
yeah.
tight basin
I've been looking for skewer for so damn long.
charged skewer is good on guan yu tho lol
molten peak
names ore hard
tight basin
all the "deal more damage to armor" all have "breaching" in the name
molten peak
ah
molten peak
honestly i like most of the breaching mods
tight basin
charged shot is piercing but it's not in the name lol
molten peak
being able to shred armor is pretty nice in elysium
and for the summons in the father fight
tight basin
ares aphro duo
molten peak
thats fair, but like the later armored enemies seem to have quite a lot
tight basin
ngl depending on your build and the summons, you can ignore them in dad fight
tight basin
Poseidon being a menace
poseidon is only good for tidal dash, breaking wave, and wave pounding
oh and hydraulic might
wide skiff
do love
tight basin
i guess flood flare too in that case
wide skiff
tidal wave with 5 sygian boons.
tight basin
i do love myself mirage shot bug
wide skiff
5 sygian casts.
molten peak
i like tidal strike on sheild but thats only because it sends people flying which is funny
tight basin
i like tidal strike on sheild but thats only because it sends people flying whic...
fun fact, the shield already has an built in knockback lmao
molten peak
yes
wide skiff
Yup
molten peak
i know
molten peak
thats why the tidal strike is fun on sheild
molten peak
cause it kind of doubles up
tight basin
if you get sea storm but you dont have tempest strike, you'll still get lightning bolts off from the shield main attack
molten peak
i was literally pin balling enemies with tidal strike + sheild primary
wide skiff
that one was great.
tight basin
cause it kind of doubles up
get second wave lmao
wide skiff
My favorite tempest flourish has to be cluster bombs
just watching everything in the room get juggled
is amazing
molten peak
getting wall damage which every bounce wasnt half bad either
tight basin
breaking wave moment
wide skiff
pretty great
wide skiff
My favorite thing rn
is on modded hades
with a hestia mod that pulls enemies towards you on attack
molten peak
lol
wide skiff
Bullrush is great
molten peak
just pinballing both myself and enemies
made every encounter look like a pinball machine with 80 balls running thru it
i wish i had streamed that
tight basin
why have enemies bounce when you can just one shot them
molten peak
why have enemies bounce when you can just one shot them
but cause funni
tight basin
fair
wide skiff
because Hades has 16k hp ifrcc.
molten peak
but yeh most would die in one hit cause they would take two bounces worth of damage and die
tight basin
because Hades has 16k hp ifrcc.
you can still instaphase hades
wide skiff
Clockets is unfair
molten peak
i honeslty dont like eris
tight basin
clockets not reducing rocket damage is so based
molten peak
if im running Rail i dont want to get close
tight basin
if im running Rail i dont want to get close
ngl all rails kinda play as melee
which is kinda funny
wide skiff
yeah
molten peak
ngl all rails kinda play as melee
except zag
molten peak
why
wide skiff
and the most consistent shield hammer
tight basin
charged shot is easily one of the best hammers in the game comparatively
wide skiff
Yup.
and that makes you
a turret
especially if you're running a no time limit game
and just stack up on DR
and aphro attack
wide skiff
its stupid braindead as most shield builds are
plain river
except zag
Wdym, especially zag
molten peak
blow stuff up from a distance and spam primary if things get close
tight basin
blow stuff up from a distance and spam primary if things get close
kinda slow ngl
plain river
Just
molten peak
i just dont like being close with Rail
wide skiff
but its fun.\
molten peak
but i die
molten peak
things cant hit you if they are never on screen
wide skiff
because the game spawns them wherever you be
tight basin
i just dont like being close with Rail
sounds like you'd like hestia
molten peak
nah the main thing is in standard rooms is primary doesnt interupt
molten peak
sounds like you'd like hestia
tried it, requires getting too close
molten peak
like you cant hit yourself and the enemies without getting close
wide skiff
but you dash
tight basin
tried it, requires getting too close
it has like the longest range besides spear specials
tight basin
just reload, shoot, repeat
wide skiff
that's eris
wide skiff
Hestia is reload
molten peak
oof
molten peak
does hestia bonus damage apply to explosive
molten peak
special
wide skiff
Well no
tight basin
one shots everything if you build artemis
way more consistent if you use aphro attack
with artemis, you either deal too little or too much damage unless you get good chaos additives
wide skiff
I like my luck.
tight basin
i mean fair
wide skiff
but yeah aphro atk
tight basin
but also consistency is pretty important imo
wide skiff
do good
tight basin
if you get a good chaos additive early, then sure arty attack
tight basin
yeah bad pom scaling
wide skiff
terrible pom scaling.
tight basin
wide skiff
Like don't even bother if you have the common one.
tight basin
lmao yeah
wide skiff
but if you crit thou.
pft
one shots easy
1.9k easy.
actually
not 1.9k
I don't know where I got that number from
tight basin
i had a crit do about 2.5k iirc
tight basin
it was probably this build that got me a fat crit
or this one idk
damn i'm' just realizing heart rend kinda goes hard lmao
on hesty
oh wait the second one can't even crit on attacks
def first one then
plain river
tried it, requires getting too close
The one aspect of rail that is most like a sniper requires getting too close?
plain river
like you cant hit yourself and the enemies without getting close
You are thinking of eris
tight basin
that has been established
plain river
does hestia bonus damage apply to explosive
That’s like asking if zag spear bonus affects it’s attack
rose nexus
worst thing about artemis is her
This is why you want chaos when you’re using Artemis
More like need probably
Cuz you can close the gap between Artemis and aphro non-crits
While also making your crits even more bonkers
tight basin
More like need probably
big need
the only reason why i took deadly strike was because i got +112% dash strikes in tart
and that + like the 25% from base artemis is all you need for the whole run
rose nexus
112 dash strike chaos is insane
tight basin
yeah, esp considering the cap is 120
i got that in c2 lmfao
that got me my sub10 hesty
gusty rapids
heart rend hesty is the throwback build lmao
we’d be taking deadly strike asap and going for marked and HR
tight basin
lmao i already had so much % additive i figured i might as well take it
gusty rapids
yeah when you have solid additive it’s fine to take
mostly u just want to hit aspho breakpoints, which if I ballpark is like 130% on ur atk?
tight basin
idk probably
gusty rapids
somethin around there
tight basin
just get big number and worry about that stuff later lmao
gusty rapids
tru
civic oar
cunning urchin
mostly u just want to hit aspho breakpoints, which if I ballpark is like 130% on...
If it's you who ballparks, I just assume it's accurate. (And if the game tells me otherwise, the game is wrong.)
lucid oar
Shackle + hc + ff brings you right there
You might leave the orange bombers with a sliver though
tight basin
What about fiery presence
lucid oar
That’s a given
turbid needle
am i the only one who thinks crystal clarity is actually a good duo
huge dps and fast too
and u can still attack/special ur average dmg output too
lucid oar
No it’s established as being pretty strong
cunning urchin
Not a speedrun build, but can carry high heat.
At least up to a point.
Like up to when getting the build together is just too unreasonable.
Haelian used Crystal Clarity a lot back in the day.
tight basin
i mean it's still not a bad duo imo, just needs a lot going for it
final steeple
is Malphon DEmeter and athena dash good for a starter build
plain river
just
Aspect of demeter with athena dash isn’t a build
Or do you mean taking demeter boons and athena dash?…
final steeple
as a start of a build, sorry for confusion
plain river
that didn’t clear it up
tight basin
for fists, you want a flat damage attack
so dionysus, zeus, or ares
if you take ares, you more or less have to go for ME - ares atk, athena special, merciful end, divine dash, impending doom
cunning urchin
is Malphon DEmeter and athena dash good for a starter build
Start with a decent Attack. You can pick up Divine Dash later in the run.
That way you won't be lacking damage and can pom your damage early.
acoustic vale
Just get 40 chaos rooms smh
If every chamber is a chaos room does it matter what build you've got
plain river
Those chaos boons are your build
and all the curses that come with
If only you could get a chaos room in a chaos room
acoustic vale
Chaos chamber in Greece 🧠
plain river
Chaos chamber at Persephone garden
rose nexus
Chaos chamber in charon boss room
plain river
Chaos chamber in charon boss room
So Chaos chamber in erebus
rose nexus
But not in an Erebus gate cuz that’s not cool enough
That’s why I specified smh my smher
final steeple
Start with a decent Attack. You can pick up Divine Dash later in the run.
k thanks
turbid needle
is cold fusion useful at all?
is it worth chasing in a run?
i already have sea storm would replacing my zeus aspect zeus special with poseidon be better than zeus special?
proven osprey
is it worth chasing in a run?
no
It's good for champions since Theseus moves a lot
but usually you're in a position to apply jolted quite easily
proven osprey
i already have sea storm would replacing my zeus aspect zeus special with poseid...
Nah, the flat damage of zeus special is really good
not to mention that tempest flourish sounds really weird on zeus
turbid needle
ok
tight basin
You never chase for cold fusion, and even if you do see it it might not even be worth it depending on how you're applying jolted
If your only source is like the cast then it's worth considering picking up, since you don't use it that often. But if it's something you use often like attack or dash then it's pretty useless
tight basin
cold fusion off of heaven's vengeance lmao
plain river
Cold fusion on r o d
cunning urchin
cold fusion off cast is kinda bussin if u can get it tho
Also pretty great for Call.
turbid needle
isnt cold fusion quite op like you can just run away while you watch mobs kill themselves
lmao
plain river
Well it’s kind of unecessary on most weapons using zeus because they hit fast and often
And has a slight antisynergy with that fact that you have to run dem boons which slow their attack speed
turbid needle
ok
plain river
I haven’t picked it up often enough to know how good it is in practice though
rose nexus
Plus if you’re running away most things will chase until you’re in range
Not just attack constantly
If you’re up close they will attack constantly tho
And you’ll be in range to reapply jolted
So
turbid needle
oh yeah true
gilded kelp
what's the best damage boost boon for talos fists
cunning urchin
Best build for DPS is Merciful End.
Doom on Attack for that.
Can read the Merciful End section in that guide for a general guide for how to do Merciful End builds if you're unfamiliar.
near heath
How good do you guys thinkPoseidon Legendary is
I'm trying to build into all the Legendaries and I'm coming up with these in mind
Zeus and Aphro are the best ones, top tier and relatively easy to find
Ares is not the best but it's still just a solid boost. Wish it actually does what it says in the menu though
Artemis and Demeter are metal as fricc. If you can even find them
tight basin
Pos legendary is great for fishing
The other one is like
Not necessary unless you want to send them across the room or kill stuff even faster in Styx lol
You wouldn't "build into it" it'd just be something you randomly find and be like "sure why not"
near heath
Fair enough
worn solar
id rather have more secondary boons
near heath
Sometimes with Zeus I'm actively seeking it out
tight basin
Zeus is like the one legendary you try to find lmao
near heath
Even if he has all the best boons
worn solar
the second wave has a pretty big delay and does little
tight basin
If you're using Zeus you always want more Zeus and even if you don't get the legendary you at least get other good stuff
near heath
Artemis kinda strikes me as the "Sure why not" type
tight basin
All the legendaries are like "sure why not" lmao
near heath
I still think they are mad fun if you get them
What about Dio legendary
Seems strong if you can get it off
But when would you want both Fog andPoison in the same build
near heath
Drunk Eris hmm
Oh I had a weird build
I remember I had a standard Merciful End run
Then I was offered Curse of Drowning
And I was like-......................eh why not
tight basin
Cod actually works pretty good with fists lol
near heath
Probably best with Talos Fists but I know it actually works well enough here
tight basin
Eh Talos kinda just sucks tho
near heath
It's not going to change the game I already had ME going when I got it
But it's a win faster deal
So I tried this Lucifer build with a Dio Attack
It wasn't awful but Dio was not why I was winning
Wait hold on
That build had a lot of duos
Let me post it
atomic anchor
Hey quick question, ive just started playing and ive unlocked the aspects for the twin fists
im wondering if these are the best weapons to upgrade in terms of titan blood and are they the best weapon in the game?
cunning urchin
im wondering if these are the best weapons to upgrade in terms of titan blood an...
No and no. Check pins in #h1-for-new-players for an aspect leveling guide for new players. 
atomic anchor
oh lol ahaha thanks for the help 🙂
thorn tendon
tight basin
based
thorn tendon
died to speeder spear boys
tight basin
classic
burnt oar
can u guys recommend me an aspect of arthur build
molten peak
Atak Sped
young bone
Recommend me Dionysus hangover build with bow :)
except aspects, havent unlocked them yet
rose nexus
Bow without aspects is baaaaad
But I guess maybe Aphrodite attack, Dionysus special
Try to get their duo
And make sure you’re using dash strikes and power shots
And use your special just to stack hangover
cunning urchin
can u guys recommend me an aspect of arthur build
Heartbreak Strike > Zeus' Aid > Smoldering Air.
Double down on max HP + damage reduction and anything that buffs your Call.
plain river
Recommend me Dionysus hangover build with bow :)
Aphrodite strike -> zeus flourish(or cast or dash ig)-> dionysus call
Since it’s without aspects
plain river
Aphrodite strike -> zeus flourish(or cast or dash ig)-> dionysus call
Hope to nab smouldering air
valid dagger
A hangover build on an aspectless bow is pretty underwhelming
You're better off just getting Zeus Aid and smoldering air instead, Thunder Flourish is useless in that build
turbid dragon
Quick question: does critical chance stack between aspect bonuses (e.g. stygius:nemesis, coronacht:zagreus) and Artemis boons?
From my playthroughs it doesn't seem to, but it could just be RNG making it difficult to tell.
tl;dr Does Coronacht:Zagreus with its +15% crit chance stack with Artemis's +15% chance to give a 30% chance?
valid dagger
Quick question: does critical chance stack between aspect bonuses (e.g. stygius...
Yes
turbid dragon
Fancy. I'll have to do a few more playthroughs to test.
I had rather given up on those aspects because of it
Artemis is 💚
plain river
Quick question: does critical chance stack between aspect bonuses (e.g. stygius...
It stacks additively yea
turbid dragon
ty to both of you!
latent hazel
Aspect of Rama + Explosive Shot: it takes 3 whole seconds to fully charge a shot lmao
plain river
are you dash striking?
plain river
are you dash striking?
it should lessen the issue
latent hazel
it does, still takes 2 seconds though. Didn't pick it expecting it to be any good lol
tall junco
Hello, sorry in advance if this is not the right channel for this. Is there any runs done on hell mode first try or anything along those lines?
tight basin
grand mural
(there is also the speedrun hades discord if you are interested!)
turbid needle
deadly flourish plus aspect of eris plus hazard bomb goes hard
proper furnace
Hazard bomb eris my beloved
wise condor
my fav combo is Aphrodite, Athena, Dionysus, and Ares. stack up weak, hangover, and doom, and just watch the enemy health bar drain. then attack or dash to block anything. my fav weapon is the spear
rose nexus
My fav combo is epic roiling grasp and fully loaded on a non cast aspect
turbid dragon
Artemis, Dionysus, Aphrodite with Excalibur. High damage, high mitigation, and great synergies between crit/drunk/weak that compliment it perfectly. it's 💚
fossil obsidian
No clue, I’ve only ever used Merciful End for it
thnx for it
imma try some builds
muted sun
Whats a good starter build for learning nemesis? I know I wanna build heart rend from I assume deadly strike plus heartbreak flourish but what else do I really put on it?
tight basin
Double edge hammer
muted sun
Oh yeah that too
tight basin
Marked from Artemis
muted sun
The ONLY good hammer on sword it feels like
tight basin
It is lol
muted sun
Why did they make the basic combo so baaad
Marked from arty, cool. I assume clean kill too or is that overkill?
Also whats the crit percentage on max level nem? 35%?
30%. I was close
vale imp
Also better go with Aphro on attack then arty somewhere else
You already have crit on attack, so better go with the higher % boon
Plus weak on attack is just great defensively
lucid oar
Also better go with Aphro on attack then arty somewhere else
Not necessarily
Arty will be a lot better with even just a little extra % damage
Tbh Nem sword is still very strong even if you just throw together a bunch of random boons at it
My sword pb has lightning strike, passion dash and ares special
lucid oar
If something already has a chance to crit, adding more crit chance is very good
Since you want bonus % damage with both
rose nexus
More crit chance is better than less critical chance
muted sun
I figured that much
rose nexus
You want +% attack (from chaos) so Artemis having less %atk compared to the others isn’t a big deal
Because the crit chance will make up for it, if you have chaos attack%
muted sun
Don't I want +%dash attack?
muted sun
So more crit chance will result in more damage overall
Noted
So how do multiple things that can give crit work together? If nemesis is giving 30% and hunters mark is giving another 50%, is that 80%? Or does it roll the different crit sources individually
lucid oar
80%
fossil obsidian
i saw a bow of ciron build with the green goddess on the special
can anyone explain that one to me
tight basin
heart rend
aphrodite attack, artemis special
heart rend makes enemies with weak take 150% more damage from crits
this combo typically wants concentrated volley to ramp up the damage better
fossil obsidian
is there a defualt crit rate for the weps?
tight basin
some aspects have a built in crit chance
fossil obsidian
ooo
tight basin
zag bow has i think 15%, nemesis has like 30% or something after you special
but otherwise, you can't crit unless you have an artemis boon
specific artemis boons*
fossil obsidian
ooo
plain river
zag bow has i think 15%, nemesis has like 30% or something after you special
👍
I’m late as per usual
Trying to avoid the torrent of Hades 2 hype even though I’m hyped for it too
plain river
is there a defualt crit rate for the weps?
❌
slim moss
hey - what is ambiguity bonus?
tight basin
ambiguity
just means nothing lol
the literal definition is just "unknown bonus" but in this case it's nothing
slim moss
huh
slim moss
just means nothing lol
did i waste a nectar?
tight basin
i mean sometimes bouldy gives you something good
like atk%, increased money gained, that stuff
but it's always between 1-10%
if you're short on nectar then it's not really a good use, but if you've got plenty then might as well
slim moss
😦
fossil obsidian
ok i am kinda not so smart so help me with it
bow of chiron
with the green goddess on speacial(i take her keepsake on first area)
who on attk
tight basin
heart rend
aphrodite attack, artemis special
heart rend makes enemies with weak take 150% more damage from crits
this combo typically wants concentrated volley to ramp up the damage better
fossil obsidian
if i dont get arphodite
tight basin
force it in asphodel then
fossil obsidian
or i just wait got her keep sake in second area?
oh ok
this one feels stronger than the drunken god one
also
tight basin
if you find aphrodite in tartarus and get her attack, then that's neat
fossil obsidian
her voice is so good
fossil obsidian
if you find aphrodite in tartarus and get her attack, then that's neat
then whos keep sake do i take in 2nd world
tight basin
hm
zeus i guess if you want to get smouldering air
actually
no
aphrodite
assuming you dont have heart rend yet
getting a duo in tartarus is pretty unlikely (not impossible tho)
tight basin
yes
tight basin
nah
hermes and chaos rarity matters more
nearly every build in the game wants to get a duo, but very few of them are make or break
tight basin
yes
tight basin
hyper sprint -> rush delivery is always good
rd gives you a 50/75/100 % bonus of your movement speed, and hyper sprint is a guaranteed 100% increase in movement speed
so you can get fat damage with that
otherwise, swift flourish is very strong
fossil obsidian
ohk
fossil obsidian
imma ss these msgs really quick
tight basin
epic swift flourish is "bugged" with concentrated volley, such that the volleys will chain together
conc volley chains all the arrows of the special together, giving it +3 for each consecutive arrow, but it typically only chains 1 volley. with epic swift flourish, you can chain 4 together for massive damage
also without any swift flourish, you can only do 3 volleys with a mark. common swift flourish lets you do 4, but the timing is a bit tighter
tight basin
yeah
although
you only want to do that after you get heart rend
because you might open up random duos you dont want
if you have aphro atk, arty special, and say poseidon cast, you open up 2 more duos on top of heart rend
you can put either arty or aphro on the cast tho
because that wont open up any duos
tight basin
oh trippy shot might not open up any either actually
fossil obsidian
trippy shot?
tight basin
dio cast
fossil obsidian
...whos dio
tight basin
dionysus
cunning urchin
Croven probably already speedrunning Hades 2. 
lucid oar
Croven got an unrecorded 4:57
plain river
i get the thing in mirror
No
tight basin
oh yeah i saw lmao
lucid oar
beo on top ❗
tight basin
croven can't let that wr go
plain river
I already speedran Hades 2
But the Super Giant from Super Giant Games came and deleted the recording off my 6 B.C. nokia flip phone
plain river
epic swift flourish is "bugged" with concentrated volley, such that the volleys ...
Bugged wouldn’t be the right word
Swift flourish is just doing what it’s supposed to
It’s just that it makes your second volley fast enough to keep the chain going
tight basin
that's why i said "bugged"
strange lark
croven can't let that wr go
croven will drop a new wr any minute now
tight basin
honestly
strange lark
he cant let ocke keep it for too long
plain river
Croven about to drop a sub0 wr
dreamy matrix
I'm so confused on how to use the codex mod(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
cunning urchin
I'm so confused on how to use the codex mod(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
The Hades Modding discord is pinned in #self-promotion. Ask for help there.
pure glacier
Is Athena cast boon any good?
rose nexus
And it has a duo that shreds the heroes
night moth
any tips for 32 heat? Im kinda strugglin
untold iris
uh, other than making sure you are picking the right pact options (somewhat weapon specific, im sure there's a guide pinned somewhere), you kind of just have to git gud
also some weapons are easier than others, if you're just interested in doing 32 heat once
chiron is a pretty beginner friendly weapon (i think that was my first 32 heat weapon)
night moth
im not a begginer, i have 150 hours into the game, but i just returned to the game after 2 years without playing
im trying 32 heat with the fists
bcs i think is the most uga buga weapon
very fun
untold iris
damage control is also basically free heat with fists
plain river
im not a begginer, i have 150 hours into the game, but i just returned to the ga...
Only 150
Beginner
plain river
damage control is also basically free heat with fists
Tight deadline is free
Dc is giving every enemy an extra hit or 2 so you end up taking longer in normal rooms
thorn tendon
crypt pfp
plain river
?
tight basin
any tips for 32 heat? Im kinda strugglin
this is a pretty common 32 heat pact
also i dont really recommend dc because it can mess up summons
uneven jacinth
why is damage control not taken?
untold iris
for fists, which was what was asked for a few hours ago, I think taking DC is fine
lets you cut down on a "hard" pact like FO2
tight basin
you'd have to do like, dc2 hl2 which works i guess
rose nexus
If you want to not take FO2 then just take HL5
But you have to take a bit of CF
It’s fine for Chiron tbh
For fists idk
HL5 FO0 vs HL0/1 FO2 is probably similar in terms of how much damage you’ll be taking
Difference is, with HL0/1 FO2 you get a lot more damage out of jolted
Which fists can use pretty well
elder osprey
This may be a dumb question but how do you know how to make a build? Is there a way to check which boons work best with what
and isn't it really random?
tight basin
you can manipulate your god pool with keepsakes
and you have rerolls
wait that's specifically ME lmao
this goes more in depth about build making and whatnot
elder osprey
I'll take a look at that, thanks
elder osprey
you can manipulate your god pool with keepsakes
I always thought the God keepsakes were wasted when I could have something more useful instead of getting 1 boon at the start
tight basin
they guarantee seeing a god at the start of tartarus
and seeing them first in other biomes
elder osprey
oh does it work the same for other biomes
tight basin
yes
elder osprey
I didn't notice that
untold iris
okay so the thing is, most weapon aspects have one or two core boons that are really good for them
untold iris
so taking a god keepsake in tartarus and forcing them to show up gives you very good odds of getting that core boon
tight basin
where can I see which is which?
wdym
elder osprey
I meant like where can I see which boons are good and which are meh
tight basin
most of them depend on the build, but some are pretty garbage
like different league
bronze skin
peer pressure i think is the name
untold iris
okay here is a very simple guide
figure out what button you press the most on your weapon, generally this is either attack or special
you want a good boon for that button
if your button does a lot of base damage you want either aphrodite or artemis on that button
if your button hits a lot of times you want zeus
untold iris
there are other builds as well and a lot of weapon specific stuff
but the above is a pretty simple guideline that will give you something okay if you just want the basics
hybrid nimbus
hi im a monkey brain hades shield player and i just discovered this discord
by monkey brain i mean i pick buffs without thinking
what build do i run with shield
and what aspect do i run
tight basin
and what aspect do i run
beowulf
tight basin
zag or zeus then
untold iris
tbh i dont find cast builds fun for some reason
i did 32 heat with beowulf by spamming special :^)
thorn tendon
special is decent too
elder osprey
Is there a meta for the Mirror?
rose nexus
Yes
Everything purple except 1 (Fiery Presence) 9 (Family Favorite), 10 (Dark Foresight), 12 (Fated Persuasion)
1 kinda depends on what weapon though
rose nexus
2 isn’t as good until you’re doing high heat and have to use LC4 so you can’t heal
Then being able to die every room is good because you can “heal” 30% (or more, with Patroclus buff and well item) each room by dying before you leave
I like gods legacy (green 11) but it’s not really optimal
elder osprey
2 isn’t as good until you’re doing high heat and have to use LC4 so you can’t he...
what does LC4 stand for
rose nexus
Lasting Consequences
Lv4 means -100% healing
It’s a pact of punishment option for heat
turbid needle
Oops, wrong thread :).
burnt oar
can u guys recommend me a chaos shield build
thorn tendon
can u guys recommend me a chaos shield build
start dio special then do whatever
cunning urchin
Is there a meta for the Mirror?
Mirror guide: #h1-for-new-players message
bright turret
what's a good combination for 6 heat?
plain river
Fo2 /j
bright turret
oh wow extreme measures comes in a lot
cunning urchin
Once you know the EM boss fights, you know them. And they don't affect regular encounters at all. That's pretty much the philosophy there.
cunning urchin
Personally I would recommend to just try everything you haven't tried yet just to get more experience with the different pacts. Plus, there's a prophecy for clearing a run with each of the pacts (not all at once) that gives a lot of Titan Blood, so if you don't have that yet, that's a good goal to aim for.
bright turret
ah, that would be nice
knotty crypt
what build do i run with shield
Chaos is really good once you get a few upgrades into it. Combine with special applying hangover, chill or doom and corresponding duo boons, and you're good. The defensive options from the shield makes tick damage crazy strong.
It just doesn't work against things that heal, which are few and far between.
tight basin
chaos shield kinda just bad zag shield
knotty crypt
~~chaos shield kinda just bad zag shield~~
I strongly disagree. Instantly maxing out a debuff is awesome. It's a lot like Chiron bow.
plain river
Chaos is really good once you get a few upgrades into it. Combine with special a...
Chaos is literally the closest to aspectless shield
tight basin
chiron also kinda worst bow lmao i mean the special isn't that great on shield unless it's zeus shield
plain river
The only reason chaos shield is good is because it’s a shield
knotty crypt
Chaos is literally the closest to aspectless shield
I find it perfect for Artemis/Dionysus or similar debuff and attack builds.
plain river
Zeus shield does that better
cunning urchin
Chaos Aspect can be fun, of course, just its problem is when you optimize it, you basically don't use the Special, you just get Charged Shot and play it like bad Zag Shield.
tight basin
spam bull rush or charged shot, and dash attack basically
ignore special
i guess point blank special is alright, but i wouldn't center around it
cunning urchin
Well, Special is used quite a bit if you have Explosive Return, buuuuut you actually use the regular Special much more than the multiple shields.
plain river
🤔
tight basin
doesn't ER only proc on the og shield and not the extra ones
cunning urchin
Yes.
knotty crypt
doesn't ER only proc on the og shield and not the extra ones
Yeah. The extras don't return.
plain river
The extras can return iirc
plain river
just don’t prok explosive return
cunning urchin
I'll stick with Chaos. To each their own.
Well, they were talking mainly in a speedrun or high heat context where you'd want to optimize DPS rotations and builds etc.
tight basin
chaos shield kinda just very bad clockets
knotty crypt
Fair. I'm only at heat 16, but I'm getting there.
plain river
chaos shield kinda just very bad clockets
Very very bad clockets
cunning urchin
Kinda like... most sword hammers are useless at high level because the base Attack is obsolete. Literally drops your DPS compared to just spamming Special > Dash-Strike x2 over and over with some Casts worked in here and there.
Doing like a Flurry Slash run or something can still be fun.
cunning urchin
Flurry slash piercing wave zag sword <:zagluv:687002515069468715>
That's no longer Zag Sword.
plain river
?
cunning urchin
That's Master Sword, the Aspect of Link.
plain river
👍
knotty crypt
That's Master Sword, the Aspect of Link.
Or just Zag gun.
plain river
I still chase a heroic swift strike flurry slash zag run every once in a while
plain river
Or just Zag gun.
Zag gun is zag gun
plain river
I still chase a heroic swift strike flurry slash zag run every once in a while
Problem is getting purple swift strike before eury
tight basin
just get the boons tbh
plain river
Having purple swift strike pre-eury, getting eury, getting flurry slash, it just doesn’t want to fall together
uneven jacinth
how do y'all earn more tartarus and nectar faster? I seem to only be confident with a couple of weapons and can only win with god mode
brazen prawn
for nectar just using dionysus trinket and looking for the extra nectar boon works for me. idk what you mean by tartarus, do you mean titan's blood?
brazen prawn
ohh. i mean, if you've already escaped once, more heat -> more bounties. you can put on easy options, like the timer or the 1 damage shield, and continue using your favorite weapons
tight basin
yes I meant titan blood and ambrosia
doing prophecies gives a ton of ambrosia and some titan blood, and all ambrosia can be traded up into titan blood if you want
and also heat bounties give 2 TB and 1 ambrosia
you sometimes get deals in the shop where it's 15 keys for 1 TB
uneven jacinth
I thought I would hate the sword but goddamn aspect of rama
tight basin
rama isn't a sword
tight basin
lmao
uneven jacinth
But rama bow is immaculate as well
Arthur sword: artemis boon
rama bow: ares special
uneven jacinth
rama bow: ares special
I know this is basically cheating
cunning urchin
Just swing Rama like a sword.
cunning urchin
I know this is basically cheating
Wut? That's just one boon lol.
uneven jacinth
yes but get rama bow with ares special impending doom and stackable ares
tight basin
that's probably like the least broken part of rama lmao
uneven jacinth
and they even jump between enemies automatically
uneven jacinth
that's probably like the least broken part of rama lmao
what
I thought I was cool
tight basin
i mean it is cool
but there's more broken parts of rama that you should consider lmao
uneven jacinth
damn aight
tight basin
shared suffering is massive, for one
uneven jacinth
shared suffering is massive, for one
yeah what does it even do lmao
I kinda never used the attack button
tight basin
you know that symbol that pops up over an enemy when they're hit with the special
that means they'll take 60% (max level) of the damage of your attack
so say your attack does 100 (pretty sure it does more), enemy 1 has the symbol and enemy 2 doesn't
if you smack enemy 2 with 100 damage, enemy 1 is gonna take 60
if enemy 2 also has the mark, enemy 2 is gonna take 160
tight basin
so ideally you spread shared suffering as much as you can, smack at least 1 enemy with a power shot (gotta dash strike because of super slow charge), and you can basically clear a room with 1 shot
tight basin
like aphrodite or crits?
aphrodite is more consistent
but if you get a ton of chaos additive, you can use artemis
also
tight basin
the atk + shared suffering is more than enough for tartarus, so you wanna start zeus special
tight basin
I can never figure out dash strike with bow
dash and hit attack immediately to charge it
practice it on skelly
uneven jacinth
I normally only use spear when I try to dash attack since its fast
but goddamn is it weak
tight basin
yeah dash attacks deal less damage than normal attacks
tight basin
but it's crucial on bow because you need the draw speed
bow is more or less a rhythm game
uneven jacinth
how do y'all win with the gauntlet and gun tho
gun is pitiful and gauntlet almost always kills me before elysium
tight basin
for hestia, start tidal dash and get aphrodite atk
uneven jacinth
oh the stand in bomb aspect?
uneven jacinth
whats hestia do
tight basin
hestia is the empowered shot
uneven jacinth
oh the weird sniper
tight basin
each manual reload makes the next shot do 150 damage (max lvl)
tight basin
well with hesty you have to lol
shoot, reload (and dash immediately to cancel animation), repeat
remapping reload to a more convenient button will help a lot
uneven jacinth
I should prolly reload to a different button when i use it
tight basin
yeah lmao
hestia is probably the easiest rail to use, but it has such a high skill ceiling
players typically struggle with maintaining ammo and remembering to reload, but with hestia you know when you have to reload
because it's literally every shot lmao
delta strike or eternal chamber helps a lot with not having to reload, but you'd be relying on a hammer
cunning urchin
but if you get a ton of chaos additive, you can use artemis
Bow has % Attack hammers, too.
plain river
Explosive shot
Perfect shot
Point blank shot
sniper shot
Chain shot (kind of)
chain shot isn’t additive it’s base damage though
I think that’s all of them
Haven’t touched Hades in a while I don’t remember
cunning urchin
Chain Shot isn't base damage.
plain river
It isn’t?
cunning urchin
No.
cunning urchin
Chain Skewer doesn't add base damage either.
plain river
Wait
Why the
Is there a chain hammer that increases base damage per hit
Never, no
Rail doesn’t add any damage
Chain shot doesn’t
Chain skewer doesn’t
Other weapons don’t have chains iirc
plain river
Dread doesn’t add base damage thou
tight basin
Bow has % Attack hammers, too.
I mean yeah but I'd still rather take Aphrodite atk
plain river
Idk you're just filling your daily quota of me correcting you, I guess.
True
plain river
whats a good early game build
There isn’t really anything that is good late game that isn’t good early game tbh
twin cloak
Is there a chain hammer that increases base damage per hit
laser glaive in risk of rain 2!!!
plain river
laser glaive in risk of rain 2!!!
cunning urchin
There isn’t really anything that is good late game that isn’t good early game tb...
Okay, but...
Merciful End Zag Sword is good early game in run 1.
But it's not good late game.
Guan Yu is pretty good late game... but it's not good early game at Lv.1.
tight basin
achilles hunting blades or lightning phalanx or meme beams
fists, lightning strike, heartbreak flourish, dio/zeus call -> smair
proper yacht
lightning fists are very fun
plain river
Dio is also 
on fists
3rd best build
bright linden
what keepsake should i use to start out a run
usually dont like to start with a god keepsake bc i kinda like to see what i get then build from there
i have a few that i usually take just thought id see what everyone else reckons
winter vortex
Hermes keepsake is good but you gotta use it for the whole run
Or you can go for the shackle
delicate thistle
what keepsake should i use to start out a run
How far in the game are you?
bright linden
i have all the keepsakes, this is my second save file and im playing on hell mode
i usually just take like purse or something like that
neat dove
yo i have a question about choosing what path to go on in builds
if i early on get a good boon or upgrade to my special should i just from then on always prioritize boons that help my special
or if i get a good upgrade to attack etc etc
or should i try to balance everything out equally instead of trying to just make 1 ability stronger and ignoring the rest