That's a standard speedrunning pact
#h1-builds-and-combat
valid dagger
rose nexus
I hate lc4
wicked adder
ill try it tho
rose nexus
I like being able to make mistakes
soft kiln
It's easier than the other pact options. What gets difficult with higher pacts is regular rooms instead of bosses
you die a lot more to them than bossing
so LC4 gives you up to 60% of a health bar every room
Patroclus is also insane with SD. you basically full heal every room
tight basin
That's a standard speedrunning pact
Oh really lmao I never realized it's just something that made sense to take once I learned about lc4 sd
soft kiln
EM4 is just egregiously difficult and will lose you winning runs when LC4 won't do that.
tight basin
Em4 over lc4 allows you to go in with 3 dds but also em4 kinda hard lol
tight basin
how do i get more healing for sd
Touch of Styx from wells and touch of Styx dark from patty
First is 10% more, patty is 50% more
wicked adder
arent those temp tho
tight basin
Yeah but still good
wicked adder
are there any permanent oens
valid dagger
Oh really lmao I never realized it's just something that made sense to take once...
oh nvm im blind 
I thought it's HL5
plain river
And centaur souls from wells
Centaur souls don’t heal
tight basin
Once you pop SD then it does
plain river
True*
tight basin
I thought it's HL5
Is it hl5 over lc4?
wicked adder
whats hl again
tight basin
Hard labor
soft kiln
HL5 is enemies do double damage
wicked adder
is that the hitting one or the health bar one
oh ok
yeah idk i havent tried w that one since it seems,..,,, difficult
its probably better than uh em4 tho
valid dagger
Is it hl5 over lc4?
For speedrunning it's HL5 HS and no MM or UC or EM3 or BP2 depends on the wep
tight basin
Oh yeah that makes a lot more sense
wicked adder
oh why do speedrunners for any heat do some heat
whats that abt
is it for erebus rooms??
soft kiln
you'll get used to it and then when you go down to lower heat it'll feel weird to not have lc4
valid dagger
oh why do speedrunners for any heat do some heat
FO2 makes enemies spawn faster, and EM2 makes Lernie arena smaller so its faster
tight basin
its probably better than uh em4 tho
Use the pact I sent it's pretty straight forward imo, just fo2 might hurt and maybe td3 if you're not careful
wicked adder
FO2 makes enemies spawn faster, and EM2 makes Lernie arena smaller so its faster
are those the only ones?
tight basin
For anyheat yeah
tight basin
32 heat is basically anyheat but more dangerous
valid dagger
A minute is a lot at the top levels
tight basin
The builds are the same and there's not much punishment if that makes sense
plain river
oh why do speedrunners for any heat do some heat
Any heat is at least 9
Fo2 em2
wicked adder
altho for me running high heat doesnt actually take much more time so i guess it makes sense
its not really slower just scarier
plain river
why is the any heat record so similar to the 32 heat record
Their 32 heat pact isn’t really making you need to deal much more damage
soft kiln
one could argue that they all require more damage because you die faster and therefore can't tank as many hits
anyheat is sloppy as hell
wicked adder
wym
soft kiln
they kill you faster so they can't be given the time to do that
dps mitigates enemy damage by eliminating the enemy
tender latch
anyheat is sloppy as hell
Nah, it's tactical to force the damage through + farm call 🧠
rose nexus
The lies
soft kiln
lol based
tight basin
Ideally you don't take damage for hc but it's whatever lol
rose nexus
What’s hc
soft kiln
high confidence
soft kiln
skill issue
rose nexus
But I’ve gathered by now that it mainly exists to reach breakpoints in tart
rose nexus
skill issue
I mean I meant on peoples victory screens
Way to insult other people!!!! Jerk 😦
wicked adder
hows hc useful with lc4
rose nexus
plain river
hows hc useful with lc4
Because you don’t take damage ez
tender latch
It’s never active later in the run
simply always get patty
plain river
/s
soft kiln
fair
counterpoint: thick skin is also inactive at the end of the run
because it doesn't matter
rose nexus
HB zagbow honestly sounds fun
tight basin
It’s never active later in the run
tbf it's only meant for early tart/aspho where your damage output sucks for the most part
rose nexus
Gives you something to do while playing rhythm game
soft kiln
i love zagbow
soft kiln
it helps for bossing
plain river
Zagbow 
soft kiln
why do fancy chiron/hera/rama things when the mobs can just explode
plain river
I mean hera lets the enemies just explode as wel
tight basin
rama can make multiple explode as well
zag bow is probably the third best for speedrunning only because the other 2 are so much better, not because it's bad lol
although rama is insanely difficult to play so maybe it's tied for that
plain river
I mean what is rama but explosive zag bow
tight basin
true
tender latch
So true
soft kiln
zag bow is probably the third best for speedrunning only because the other 2 are...
it might be the third best but it's the only one i pulled off a sub 10 with
soft kiln
i find it's simplicity relaxing
tight basin
Yeah
soft kiln
it's why i play a frost mage in WoW XD I'm too ADHD for complicated crap i get too focused on execution and die to everything
rose nexus
Me when wow still exists:
soft kiln
they have evidently learned the lessons from the last expansion and the new one looks actually deece
i quit the last one like less than halfway through it's lifecycle
rose nexus
Zagbing chilling
plain river
Zagbow
loud fossil
Does achillies spear boost dash attack?
lucid oar
Ye
loud fossil
Do normal boons attack boons also boost dash attacks?
plain river
Do normal boons attack boons also boost dash attacks?
Yes
plain river
Yes
loud fossil
Wow
plain river
Just not neccesarily every attack hammer will affect dstrikes
loud fossil
Ty
tight basin
@turbid needle you build it the same as eris except you want triple bomb as a hammer
so zeus atk, aphro/arty special
and any damaging dash
turbid needle
ok
trail compass
Aside from the poseidon dash, is there any other dash that would be good for a full dash build?
unreal tree
blade dash is ok
trail compass
Ares?
unreal tree
yeah
unreal tree
gl
trail compass
Thank you
lucid oar
Thunder dash is decent if you get all the Zeus
burnt anchor
HAllo, i am using the bow with chiron. I am able to clear until the final boss in Elysium (the bull and the fallen hero). I always die there and I think my dps might be part of that (I'm asking a question on the strategy in another channel). I equip artemis as my keepsake in tartarus and go for anything that helps my special and then choose the colllar which gives me +50 health. My question is, what build should I use that works with chiron and has high dps. Should be able to get something similar every run and not dependant on getting lucky with the perfect boon multiple times. Thanks!
lucid oar
Chiron special with a % boon like arty heavily relies on getting concentrated volley, then ideally relentless volley. A much more consistent build is to start with Dionysus special and just focus on pomming it a ton. Getting the duo boons curse of nausea and low tolerance do help, but they’re not necessary.
burnt anchor
Chiron special with a % boon like arty heavily relies on getting concentrated vo...
what do you mean by dionysus special?
sorry just 20 runs in
lucid oar
The boon from his that allows your special to inflict hangover
burnt anchor
o
lucid oar
Drunken flourish
lucid oar
Yes
burnt anchor
alr
how do i get pom keepsake. if it is gained later on in the story from where i am dont tell me
lucid oar
It’s gained later in the story
Also probably best to stick to the new players channel, spoilers aren’t necessarily hidden here
burnt anchor
alr
tender latch
how do i get pom keepsake. if it is gained later on in the story from where i am...
You don't need it, since it's honestly kind of lackluster and unreliable. You're better off following this general keepsake pattern if you're a new player
Tartarus: The main god you're building around in your build. In this example, dionysus special for chiron
Asphodel: a supporting god, often to try and get a duo boon. Aphrodite or Ares for low tolerance and curse of nausea, in this example
Elysium: defensive keepsake, like tooth, acorn, or collar (tooth and acorn are generally better, but collar is still good)
Styx: another or the same defensive keepsake
acoustic vale
I like to run pom in asphodel/Elysium if I get a really good build going early enough
tight basin
for aspho you could do plume for hyper delivery but mom pom can work decently well since you wouldn't have that many boons
at ely tho i feel like the poms are gonna be way too spread out to be worth it
soft kiln
I think for Artemis Chiron I want hourglass in Elysium for more special %
Acorn at higher heat though
tight basin
yeah for ely hourglass is typically taken
tender latch
I think for Artemis Chiron I want hourglass in Elysium for more special %
He's using dio special now; without modded to guarantee conc volley, it's just more reliable to take dio over art
tight basin
i still wouldn't take pom into ely tho
defensive or hourglass still
dio chiron can still benefit from a % bonus because why not
twin cloak
I do dadcall ely sometimes
tender latch
You might not burn it, and if you're running acorn you'd keep it between biomes
tight basin
it's just insurance
tender latch
This is for a newer player dude
tight basin
taking tooth into asphodel at high heat is a common strategy as well, and you might not even burn it
tender latch
Newer players can either have the easiest heroes fight ever or lose every dd
Lernie tax (high income bracket)
tight basin
yep
tight basin
maybe stick to #h1-for-new-players if you're new
turbid needle
<@456226577798135808> you build it the same as eris except you want triple bomb ...
whats the eris build
tight basin
It's literally there
Tdash is recommended but if you find the knockback not helping you then anything else works fine that isn't blade or mistral dash
Actually mistral is decent
You dash into the bombs to proc them and you don't want to knock enemies out of the bomb
Well that's a you issue lol
Blade dash just sucks in general tbh
I mean
I just don't like it lol
And it's not good
Pick a better dash
You have options of literally anyone else
Probably
thorn tendon
blade dash sucks but i have a personal hate for drunken dash
rose nexus
Drunken dash would be bad for bombs anyway I think
Because it leaves the aoe where you dashed from not to
Passion dash: am I a joke to you
And you don’t even acknowledge the dash which is your namesake
Idk man as
U nasty
loud fossil
Trying to figure out what god is worst for speed, is dio the worst? Has some cool duos, but outside of some builds with his cast on beowulf, im not aware of anything great
Me either
Expect i think it can do some cool stuff on top hera builds
I also think theres been a couple of sub 7s with it on eris special
But its just barely usable on it
Meme beams
tight basin
Dem is taken if it's epic and you're looking for a good % bonus early on
Or if castpect then snurst
quartz ingot
Does anybody have tips for defeating Meg? I always get past everything else alive but when I get to her she always kills me
It’s my first run and I just wanna get to Asphodel man :’))
shadow helm
out of curiosity: which weapon is better for extreme measures 4: shield or bow?
vale imp
Shield
Because it blocks attacks
No matter how hard Hades hits, the shield can usually block it
Whereas even if you’re across the room with a bow, Hades can still hit you
proper furnace
Dont get too confident on the blocking
Some attacks can go through it at point blank for whatever reason
tight basin
it's always fun when that happens
plain river
Trying to figure out what god is worst for speed, is dio the worst? Has some coo...
Good dio is great
rose nexus
Hermes is the best for speed 
tight basin
true
plain river
Aspect of hermes when
tender latch
Gives you 50% native movespeed boost + native rd
Stacks with greater haste and boon rd
tender latch
Lmao
rose nexus
@mods
shadow helm
out of curiosity how do people manage to get boons upgraded to lvl 10+? i ussuallyl encounter 5 pom fruits a run
tight basin
Not really
I've had normal runs get about 10 poms on a boon
Not taking many pommables or boons will help with that
Styx poms too
rose nexus
Simply use fated authority to roll everything to Poms
plain river
out of curiosity how do people manage to get boons upgraded to lvl 10+? i ussua...
Tbh I can’t think of anything that really wants poms past 5 aside from dio cores
rose nexus
Casts
plain river
But sweet nectar, mom pom, dark foresight, going to midshops and end shops should all increase your potential poms
rose nexus
Deezminish my returns
vale imp
Pressure Points, but that’s it i think
tight basin
every hangover boon doesn't have diminishing returns
tender latch
like 4 or 5 are enough
I think it might've been a croven video but beo still wants more poms, he thought l5 was low for cast
tight basin
true
but also sometimes you just dont get the opportunity to
but 5 isn't exactly that bad
plain river
every hangover boon doesn't have diminishing returns
I mean dio call kinda
plain river
Wait what
tight basin
idk i'm assuming the bot/graph is accurate
plain river
bruh my brains been tricking me then
Dio strike and flourish all have worse pom returns that first pom /s
plain river
😳
plain river
Whats pos shot scaling?
tight basin
tight basin
it's the same as flare seems like
lucid oar
I like to get flood flare to level 6
tight basin
Shield is good as long as you get charged shot
But yeah bow and rail are pretty good
plain river
Zag bow and zag rail
Zag bow > zag rail for consistent good damage output
Zag rail kinda needs spreadfire or something else
tight basin
Could play it as bad eris
loud fossil
Zag rail kinda needs spreadfire or something else
Isnt it spread fire+art?
plain river
+art?
You can take spreadfire however
Artemis
Aphrodite
Shackle
Merciful end
demeter on attack works too
plain river
Isnt it spread fire+art?
Is it right for me to assume by art you mean artemis?
loud fossil
Nah i meant the art i made of the spread fire hammer
plain river
What
plain river
Is just usual shortforms are “arte” (and occasionally “arti) and as art is an actually word I got confuzzled
yours truly
And a few others
tight basin
Is just usual shortforms are “arte” (and occasionally “arti) and as art is an ac...
Arty
tight basin
Arto
plain river
🔫 u is not an appropriate sounding vowel
acoustic vale
Artb
tight basin
@turbid needle if you want to abuse hunting blades, it's best paired with achilles
you get a 150% damage bonus to it. start either slicing shot or arty attack, get the other asap, find the duo, and win
bonus points if you get a poseidon core for mirage shot
turbid needle
oh ive tried that already
is there no otehr alternative?
and is it good to just have it with any aspect
it seems so convenient
tight basin
it works with any aspect because it's just mindless, but if you want a build centered around it, then that's gonna be your best bet
the other option is pos sword, where you dont have to special and you'd only got a 50% boost
eris, same sorta concept but a 75% boost
other than that tho, if you get hunting blades on any other aspect it's a "waste" of a duo
turbid needle
ok ic
twin cloak
<@456226577798135808> if you want to abuse hunting blades, it's best paired with...
aspect of poseidon 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
tight basin
true
rose nexus
Hunting blades Hera 💪
plain river
Really just any castpect other than beo because it literally doesn’t work there
rose nexus
Literally
rose nexus
Literally incompatible
quartz ingot
Ty!!
turbid needle
Ummm, so... Hera and Chaos grasp boons is just a little silly, right? How silly can a build get?
Kicking off with chaos keepsake, Hera and fated persuasion got me a three clear streak each time
Just a clear each time but three last time, but I haven't lost a run with that build yet
plain river
there isn't really a point to starting with egg
should really force a god in to start
like Aphrodite for crush shot or poseidon for tdash
turbid needle
should really force a god in to start
True, the rarity doesn't really affect if you get grasp either right?
plain river
True, the rarity doesn't really affect if you get grasp either right?
rarity doesn't matter for grasp so there isn't any point to taking it aside from avoiding like 20 something damage if you see a well
I mean rarity does matter for +cast damage% boons which you would be taking if you saw them though so
turbid needle
That's fair, also trippy shot on Hera, Zeus boon and go for Dionysus/Zeus duo boon is fun
rose nexus
But still much stronger to force a god
plain river
trippy flare hera doesn't really need the zeus/dio boon because of trippy flare damage
rose nexus
Especially since then you can easily Pom a hera -friendly cast
Instead of starting egg and hoping to find a good cast
plain river
everything should be dying before the lightning matters if you're using trippy flare
tight basin
if you want to play a castpect and start egg, you better hope for a % cast damage from chaos
because that's the only thing it's useful for
turbid needle
if you want to play a castpect and start egg, you better hope for a % cast damag...
Good tip, cheers!
tight basin
and you also have to hope you start off with a cast that's good
plain river
if you want to play a castpect and start egg, you better hope for a % cast damag...
for hera* anyways because the other castpects aside from beo have built in +%
plain river
tbh just force a god in for their cast because egg doesn't guarantee a chaos gate
tight basin
yeah
tight basin
tbh just force a god in for their cast because egg doesn't guarantee a chaos gat...
unless you're willing to reset until you get the god you want and a chaos gate c1 lol
turbid needle
Always found just trippy shot on Hera cast is a bit more reliable than crush shot with blown kiss
rose nexus
Blown kiss not super needed for hera
plain river
blown kiss isn't needed for crush shot
rose nexus
Plus doesn’t the arrow hitting first invalidate the extra damage
tight basin
Always found just trippy shot on Hera cast is a bit more reliable than crush sho...
trippy flare hera is way more unreliable lmao
plain river
hera gives your crush shot the range it needs, and it already has the big base damage
plain river
hera gives your crush shot the range it needs, and it already has the big base d...
especially after a few poms
turbid needle
trippy flare hera is way more unreliable lmao
Eh true I just like AOE more imo
tight basin
with trippy hera, you need extra casts from chaos and wells since it's better to run stygian over infernal
plain river
you're practically starving for them but egg isn't really doing much for you when you're looking for grasp
tight basin
Eh true I just like AOE more imo
you get 1 shot and you have to wait another 3 sec to deal big damage again or you get 3 shots and you have to wait 5 seconds before you can pick up your cast
rose nexus
Honestly learning that trippy only takes 5 seconds to pop out
Makes me willing to try it without Stygian
turbid needle
you get 1 shot and you have to wait another 3 sec to deal big damage again or yo...
Stygian over infernal trueee
plain river
you've been doing it without stygian? 
plain river
stygian > infernal for trippy flare
truly a matty moment
IDK I just build discount beowulf like beowulf
turbid needle
I simply cannot aim, I just want to hit buttons for results
Catch me with triple explosive dash shots because that's all I can do
plain river
why would you take explosive shot bruh
turbid needle
why would you take explosive shot bruh
Explosion does explosion thingies
plain river
explosive takes stupid long even with dash strikes tbh
you're just choosing to play discount rama at that point
twin cloak
A lot of things don't work for you
You were dying in ely on beo because you had no mirage
Rolling eyes
turbid needle
Don't even get me started on Rama I just literally only used curse of pain with it for the prophecy and never touched it again
Almost as bad as Guan Yu
turbid needle
It hurt me in ways I cannot describe lest I receive a warning on this channel
But special Rama is okay
I guess
plain river
Special only Rama is unaruably
Arguably
lucid oar
I got sub 7 pashie flare without mirage
tight basin
explosive takes stupid long even with dash strikes tbh
explosive shot on zag bow is fine
it's not good on other bows tho
but bow charges fast enough that explosive isn't that big of a deal on zag bow
you can still get good power shots in
rose nexus
Sea storm tempest strike tdash eris
balmy echo
gilgamesh builds?
cunning urchin
You'll want to swap to Ruthless Reflex for Gilgamesh.
tight basin
which cast
loud fossil
Pos vs aphro vs dio
honest quarry
should i buy hades?
tight basin
Pos vs aphro vs dio
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loud fossil
should i buy hades?
Yes
loud fossil
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1035267733660635216...
Tysm
tight basin
i dont think there's a command that puts them on the same graph tho
lemme check
yeah there isnt
loud fossil
Its crazy how much damage it can do
tight basin
"it" being beo or trippy flare
loud fossil
Ik trippy flare is worse than flood, but trippy is still crazy
loud fossil
"it" being beo or trippy flare
Both combined
loud fossil
Ik trippy flare is worse than flood, but trippy is still crazy
I think trippy flare has still gotten sub 6 tho
Which is better than passion flare has ever gotten
tight basin
passion isn't that great lol it's just consistent
rose nexus
Trippy flare Pom bug not reflected on that graph rip
loud fossil
Ye
rose nexus
Oh I’m dumb
loud fossil
Ive seen some clips of it instaphasing dad, which is rly crazy
tight basin
trippy doesnt need mirage to instaphase dad, just need a lot of casts lol
gusty rapids
Which is better than passion flare has ever gotten
passion flare got the first ever beo sub6 fwiw
you can get peak times with any of the 3 main flares, flood is just the most consistent for it
tender latch
And at that point it's just grinding until things line up, so might as well go for the more consistent one
rose nexus
Little gremlin appearance arc
loud fossil
If your running eris and you can choose between athena and aphro, which one should you go for?
Ik aphro is about 30 percent stronger but athena unlocks proud bearing
plain river
Aphrodite
Actually it depends on the rest of your build rn
If you have zeus then aphrodite for sure because smair > proud bearing
loud fossil
How does smair interact with hades call?
loud fossil
Cause if it lowers the requiremnt to 25 thats busted
plain river
Wait do you have sigil in asphodel
loud fossil
But the other option is it doesnt work with it
plain river
But the other option is it doesnt work with it
Pretty sure it doesn’t work with it
loud fossil
Wait do you have sigil in asphodel <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
No ive never ran sigil that early, expect when i was grinding keepsakes to max
plain river
I was assuming you had zeus or dio call
They just make more sense on eris then hades call
loud fossil
Also does smair require a call to get? On the wiki it doesnt say so and it says so for other call related boons?
plain river
Flat damage call > +% buff on a weapon that already has built in additive
plain river
Also does smair require a call to get? On the wiki it doesnt say so and it says ...
Yes
loud fossil
They just make more sense on eris then hades call
Ive seen zeus on top eris runs (not dio tho) but ive also seen sigil, so i assumed it was usable
plain river
It’s usable
Dio and zeus are dps calls and they work well on eris thanks to it’s global additive
Sigil isn’t unusable I just don’t exactly think it’s better then the 2 others
loud fossil
Dio dps still doesnt seem great tho, am i doing my math wrong? And dio doesnt do a ton for eris
Im getting around 63 with eris
plain river
Around 63 what
loud fossil
Like i get zeus, he has boons that get boost from calls and is already on eris and has great dps on call
loud fossil
Around 63 what
Dps
plain river
That indicates that you didn’t hit an enemy with the dio call many times
loud fossil
When you have multiple instances of hangover stacked on a enemy do they all take there turn and one goes for 4 seconds before the next one or do they all do damage at the same time?
plain river
They all do the stacks at the same time
loud fossil
I havent ran anything with hangover in a very long time
loud fossil
Thats 315 dps then, thats p good
plain river
Is basically just stack #*base damage*additive*2 for dps
Since hangover hits twice a second without curse of nausea
loud fossil
Or if you can get a stack on hades its about 1.6 k
Which is about 5 percent of hades health
Since it has a 9 second at max, it can do 2 stacks
So about 10 percent per max call
plain river
Dio small call hits 6 times iirc so you aren’t exactly getting low tolerance
You aren’t huge calling with dio
you’re small calling
loud fossil
Dio small call hits 6 times iirc so you aren’t exactly getting low tolerance
3 times
plain river
It’s 6 times
loud fossil
Im on the wiki and it says 1.5 seconds
plain river
the small call hits them with hangover 6 times
like
Inflicts it that many times
And the hangover lasts 4 seconds
loud fossil
Wait im getting activation confused with the damage interval
.5 is the damage interval not how often call does it
plain river
the damage interval is .5 seconds without curse of nausea
plain river
Wait im getting activation confused with the damage interval
Yes
it’s better to small call with dio
loud fossil
Oh ok ty, no idea what i left out
plain river
plain river
5\*2*\*15(unpommed common damage)\*1.75/second
So like 262/second with no poms or rarity
plain river
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1034995274776588378/IM...
But like you can also get it pommed to high heaven for huge dps
plain river
A little higher then that because of family favourite
loud fossil
So you could kill hades in 38 seconds with just that
plain river
If only hades didn’t have breakpoints
loud fossil
Yeah
normal flicker
Hi guys, I am replaying de game after a year, is Merciful End build still a good meta for Talos fists or there is a better option?
normal flicker
Yeah I know, but I want to get used to the gameplay again with something reliable before starting to explore others options😁
tight basin
Hi guys, I am replaying de game after a year, is Merciful End build still a good...
ME is still the best build for every melee weapon
there's obv other good options that are more consistent, but if you want to high roll, ME is still strong
normal flicker
there's obv other good options that are more consistent, but if you want to high...
Perfect, thanks mate!
balmy echo
should i buy hades?
lol uf corse
honest quarry
lol uf corse
nah i bought ha des nuts
acoustic vale
Yeah I know, but I want to get used to the gameplay again with something reliabl...
I really wouldn't call ME reliable. Much too inconsistent to get
normal flicker
I really wouldn't call ME reliable. Much too inconsistent to get
Reliable in case you manage to get it I meant😅
acoustic vale
Fair enough then
cunning urchin
It's still decent enough without Merciful End.
tender latch
ME is still the best build for every melee weapon
Achilles gets to be a melee castspect 😩
ME HB moment
cunning urchin
I'd use Tidal Dash + Lightning Strike over Merciful End tbh.
lost ore
What 32 heat pact should i do
I did a 32 heat run earlier today but i got poopied on by hades third phase
plain river
what was your 32 heat pact?
lost ore
I play on switch lol
plain river
I do too
lost ore
Ill just dm u it is that ok
plain river
Ill just dm u it is that ok
yeah
tight basin
Send it here afterwards I wanna take a look lol
strange lark
hmm
lost ore
Yeah what do u guys do
tight basin
Take tight deadline 2 or 3
strange lark
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
do this
probably the safest 32 heat pact
plain river
Yeah what do u guys do
how long are your runs? 
lost ore
How tf do u do tight deadline 3
strange lark
How tf do u do tight deadline 3
it would be easier if you didnt use em4 and cp2 and bp2 and dc2
tight basin
That'll save you more time than you think
lost ore
Not a single one of my runs has even been faster than tight deadline 2
cunning urchin
Well, not taking pacts that slow you down a lot is a start.
plain river
it would be easier if you didnt use em4 and cp2 and bp2 and dc2
literally making the run as long as you possibly could with these all together
lost ore
That’s fair lmaooo
plain river
at least you don't has js3 on top of that
lost ore
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
tight basin
Ngl the fact that you made it to phase 3 hades with that pact means you should be fine taking this new pact lol
lost ore
Does it matter what weapon
lost ore
I like chiron, and most of the secret ones
tight basin
I guess it sorta matters if it's a good aspect or not but all aspects can clear 32 fine
lost ore
I just use whatever weapon has the +20% bonus most of the time
lost ore
Ive never rly used stubborn defiance whats good about it
plain river
I guess it sorta matters if it's a good aspect or not but all aspects can clear ...
it's just so much easier with a good aspect so
cunning urchin
Chiron with that pact is one of the most successful combos for first 32 clears. Start Eternal Rose and then swap to the Owl Pendant to get her Divine Dash and DDs. Them Acorn for the rest of the run.
plain river
Ive never rly used stubborn defiance whats good about it
with lc4 it's your only way of healing
tight basin
Ive never rly used stubborn defiance whats good about it
since it's best used with lc4, you take off 4 heat from the pact while getting "free" healing
thorn tendon
js3 td2 > js0 td3 imo
plain river
with lc4 it's your only way of healing
aside from centaur hearts and chaos max hp and aspect/weapon specific and stubborn roots ig
plain river
js3 td2 > js0 td3 imo
tight basin
js3 td2 > js0 td3 imo
jsfree
thorn tendon
i’ve been alternating between those to get through 40 heat all aspects and the js3 version is just a lot more consistent
cunning urchin
If you lose your SD before taking Last Stand or Deathless Stand from Lady Athena (i.e., her DD "replenish" boons), you'll get a DD from her. And then when you enter the next chamber, you also get your SD back like normal.
So you can get up to two DDs from her plus your SD.
thorn tendon
like the bad aspects are always so close to timing out with td3
and td2 lets you skip midshop or take coin troves or whatever
tight basin
arent you actively harming yourself by taking js3 and td2 tho
thorn tendon
i know it seems like 60% more enemies would be a lot slower and worse than ~30% less time but it’s really not bad at all
how so
plain river
more enemies means more chances to take damage
lost ore
What fable should i use
tight basin
fable?
lost ore
Ok
cunning urchin
arent you actively harming yourself by taking js3 and td2 tho <:bouldy:523329116...
I mean if it's working better for them, then no.
plain river
i know it seems like 60% more enemies would be a lot slower and worse than ~30% ...
is not just slower
means more likely to take more damage as well
tight basin
I mean if it's working better for them, then no.
i mean i get that its working better for them, it just feels like backwards logic
thorn tendon
true but it’s never that bad
plain river
also just
thorn tendon
outside of like bad bp combos
lost ore
I really like the theseus asterius fight where they have gold armor whats it called
tight basin
like the biggest time loss in any type of run are the normal rooms, not the boss fights imo
and making normal rooms longer doesn't make sense if you want to cut down on time
tight basin
I really like the theseus asterius fight where they have gold armor whats it cal...
em3
thorn tendon
when you’re trying to clear 40 heat with blood and darkness like arthur you take when you can get
plain river
extreme measures 3
lost ore
Oh yeah ok
thorn tendon
i would recommend trying it a bit before just deciding bigger number = bad and shutting it down completely
lost ore
Ive done 16 pretty easily but i haven’t tried anything larger besides 32
plain river
I decide bigger number = bad because I like having lower times on the end screens
tight basin
Ive done 16 pretty easily but i haven’t tried anything larger besides 32
that's fine tbh
i think matty jumped from like 8 to 32
or something like that
lost ore
Whatever the skelly statue says
plain river
it is 8/16/32 for skelly statues
tight basin
yes
plain river
I decide bigger number = bad because I like having lower times on the end screen...
so that's why I take td3 > jsx
tight basin
just skip to 32 and learn it that way lol
thorn tendon
yea it is worse rta
plain river
it's also worse igt
thorn tendon
same thing different clothes
plain river
not same thing
cunning urchin
so that's why I take td3 > jsx
Isn't the reason you take TD3 over JS that we told y'all to take TD3 for these pacts? 
plain river
I think I was using td3 prior to trying 32 heat
thorn tendon
if i never tried it i’d probably think it was worse ngl
plain river
plus my runs are usually at a speed now that td3 is just free no matter the aspect so js3 would just be making the run harder
tight basin
wait @plain river what was that horrid pact you made angel play lmao
i wanna give it a shot
oh fun
plain river
wait <@733775512991694900> what was that horrid pact you made angel play lmao
uhhhhh uhhhh uhhhh the "definitely NyaaNyaa MewMew's 32 heat pact (not a joke)" pact?
lost ore
Best way to think of them
tight basin
uhhhhh uhhhh uhhhh the "definitely NyaaNyaa MewMew's 32 heat pact (not a joke)" ...
this?
cunning urchin
plus my runs are usually at a speed now that td3 is just free no matter the aspe...
You never time out with TD3 at 40 Heat no matter the aspect?
plain river
You never time out with TD3 at 40 Heat no matter the aspect?
yeah instead I just die
tight basin
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1033867896251748393/...
oh god lmfao
time to learn how to play with ri4
plain river
"I hate @plain river" -AngeL1C
tight basin
maybe i'll just grind ri4 zeus shield to practice 64 heat
cunning urchin
maybe i'll just grind ri4 zeus shield to practice 64 heat
How many runs have you done in total?
tight basin
no clue gotta check
plain river
idk I just copy paste from Nyaanyaa Mewmew, I never learn anything /j
lost ore
I thought 63 was max
plain river
64 is the max if you play hellmode
cunning urchin
I see.
tight basin
why do you ask?
plain river
-50 why?
tight basin
it's probably pretty low compared to other top runners
plain river
oh bruh
tight basin
starts off at 50 wins
plain river
smh my head my head
plain river
probably asking your runs as in amount of experience
so the extra 50 probably doesn't count
I'm either right or I'm wrong
50:50
tight basin
probably asking your runs as in amount of experience
we'll see lol
cunning urchin
Do 10x as many runs with Zeus Aspect as your total runs now and you might get into the realm of Baj and AngeL1C 64 Heat attempts... if you have the talent, too.
tight basin
lmfao
yeah i doubt i'll be able to do 64 since i dont have the time to grind
i've only used zeus shield like 3 times
plain river
just use an autoclicker to grind while you're away
tight basin
true
plain river
tight basin
farming runs
plain river
Hades the idle game
are there TAS hades speedruns?
would modded count as that I guess
zeus shield is so amazing
plain river
subjective
I don't have a preference
except I do
I don't use aspects I don't like
"absolutely impossible to figure out how to use it"
🤨
A little
cunning urchin
What do u guys think best weapon is
For most purposes, it's Beowulf pretty easily tbh.
plain river
there is definitely a skill gap between me and the top zeus shield users but I wouldn't call it impossible to figure out
kind of just a feel for it's range
strange lark
divine dash best aspect
plain river
divine dash best aspect
where is your wr for dash only I just checked and you weren't there
strange lark
what
strange lark
yeah
was about to actually play hades but aotw is fists so i guess i have to wait until next week
lost ore
Chiron with that pact is one of the most successful combos for first 32 clears. ...
What do i use eternal rose for
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike for good damage and Weak. Then look for Deadly Flourish or Drunken Flourish ideally.
Heartbreak Flourish is good if it's high rarity.
plain river
someday I will attain heroic killing freeze
vagrant phoenix
I used a hammer flurry shot bow with Aphrodite’s heartbreak strike and now it’s just Cupid’s assault rifle
plain river
flurry shot is a good bow hammer yeah
plain river
I died to td during tisiphone
sounds like you were taking your sweet time then /s
lost ore
Do u guys use chaos
lost ore
I got him and couldn’t use attack for a few so i think that took a while
lost ore
Ye
plain river
especially on chiron where you need the attack to lock in your special lol
I mean if you were using sd it shouldn't've been too much of a problem because you could use attack till you reset your sd
but also getting used to sd is thing so
tight basin
I got him and couldn’t use attack for a few so i think that took a while
That's why you died to td3 lol
plain river
Hehe
‘I don’t like td3 because I put myself into a bad position while using it’
cunning urchin
I got him and couldn’t use attack for a few so i think that took a while
If you choose a curse like that, either keep playing like you don't have the curse or don't take it.
lost ore
Died to dl during theseus n asterius
Devs need to stop ticking down timer when things spawn or enemy impervious 😭
Is td 2 fo 1 instead good?
tight basin
Is td 2 fo 1 instead good?
Fo with hl5 can be dangerous if you're not used to the fo timings
turbid needle
im gon try nemesis for the third time which keepsake shld i use
because i didnt even make it out of tartarus with nemesis the last 2 times
i hate it
valid dagger
im gon try nemesis for the third time which keepsake shld i use
You can start with Shackle or try for Aphro attack if you just want to clear
ME is also always good
turbid needle
ME?
valid dagger
Merciful End
turbid needle
ok
loud fossil
Not sure if this is the right place
But can anyone whos running/has run modded say whether or not they liked it more?
tawny anchor
ok so ive been using this build with th bow (aspect of Rama) and i have done over 1k damage in 1 shot
plain river
and…
tawny anchor
the main thing is deadly strike but adding the triple shot from the Daedalus hammer makes it have even more ludicrous damage
2 shots from it and bosses were going invincible
tawny anchor
i think so because you only pressed the button once
plain river
I was joking
The thing about deadly strike on rama is that you need additive from else where to make it work
tawny anchor
another great thing is that you can get drunken flourish for easy max hangover stacks
plain river
The thing about deadly strike on rama is that you need additive from else where ...
Compared to like aphrodite strike where you’ll consistently be doing good damage and oneshoting regular enemies
And again, with drunken flourish it’d also be better with aphrodite on attack
because aphrodite gets you low tolerance
tawny anchor
i usually try to get passion dash for low tolerance, i know its not great but i find deadly strike to be all around a better option than passion strike
plain river
I mean
The tradeoff is consistency
Between aphro and artemis
Heartbreak strike should allow you to consistently kill enemies faster
Deadly strike will allow you to see big damage numbers every so often
tight basin
But can anyone whos running/has run modded say whether or not they liked it more...
using the speedrunning mod is a much more enjoyable experience imo
always having the hammer you want, always having a 2 sack, always getting the core you want at the start, never seeing barge, bull miniboss, or tony
tawny anchor
i tend to favor Artemis but its honestly left up to the person
plain river
It’s left up to the person yeah
loud fossil
using the speedrunning mod is a much more enjoyable experience imo
always having...
Ok then, will do
Wait can i get aspect of gilgamesh with it?
tight basin
a ton of qol stuff too
tight basin
Wait can i get aspect of gilgamesh with it?
it doesn't change any gameplay stuff
it's all qol stuff
removing some rng and whatnot
loud fossil
But isnt it tied to mini boss
loud fossil
Oh ok, ty
tight basin
all the stuff i listed, you can turn off/on and play the vanilla game while having the mod installed
loud fossil
Also are there any community resources on how to install it on linux, the guide only says how to on windows
tawny anchor
then i try to get slicing shot and curse of vengance so i can get some more duo boons
plain river
hunting blades on rama
tight basin
then i try to get slicing shot and curse of vengance so i can get some more duo ...
just because you have duos doesn't mean they're necessary or make the build good
tight basin
Also are there any community resources on how to install it on linux, the guide ...
i'd ask the modding discord
tawny anchor
true, but i find they compliment the buil dpretty well
plain river
just because you have duos doesn't mean they're necessary or make the build good
Wdym stubborn roots makes my runs at leadt 4009% faster
tight basin
tight basin
true, but i find they compliment the buil dpretty well
what duo boons are you even shooting for
plain river
what duo boons are you even shooting for
Deadly strike - dio flourish - passion dash rama
tight basin
slicing shot for hunting blades? you can get that on every build but imo isn't worth trying to get unless your build is complete or basing your build around it
tawny anchor
curse of nausea, low tollerance, splitting headache, and heart rend
plain river
yeah
tawny anchor
it is, but i find chiron to be insanely boring
tight basin
ngl the only ones worth here are heart rend and splitting headache, and even the second one isn't necessary at all
tight basin
it is, but i find chiron to be insanely boring
i mean that's fine, but also trying to shoot for 4 duos is just very unnecessary lol
tawny anchor
agreed, but its still fun to try
tight basin
that's fair
plain river
Fair
tight basin
will say that curse of nausea isn't gonna be great unless you're pomming the hell out of dio special tho
plain river
Are you making sure to dash strike with rama?
tight basin
and splitting headache is gonna be mediocre until you get low tolerance
well i guess 6% isn't terrible, 21% chance on triple shot is good
but it's still overall eh
tawny anchor
there are definitely holes in the build but i find it to be fun and effective
tight basin
lmao yeah
tawny anchor
i would recommend trying it out
the boss health goes down so quickly and its so satisfying
plain river
I will just highroll this build rn bet
tight basin
if i were to try it out i'd just do heart rend rama lol
i already high rolled 4 duos on chiron
and i already high rolled enough this morning with passion flare beo at 40 heat
tawny anchor
40 heat
tight basin
yeah
tawny anchor
thats insane
plain river
nanas did shackle beo 40 heat
tight basin
i've been speedrunning 40 heat for a few weeks lol
with varying amounts of success
tart simulator go brrr
ap1 go "screw you you can't get mirage shot"
tawny anchor
i salute you
plain river
I’m too busy being bad at 32 heat to do 40
tawny anchor
same lol
tight basin
i salute you
got a pb of 10:27 this morning lol i'm not gonna touch this game in a while
plain river
My only solace in this world is having a sub10 pb
tight basin
I’m too busy being bad at 32 heat to do 40
you can def do 40 heat tbh
plain river
you can def do 40 heat tbh
I’m crying with SD as I pick up 32 heat
plain river
I have like 2? 3? 4? 32 heat runs
tight basin
i had 3 32 heat runs when i did my first 40
plain river
i would recommend trying it out
At what heat
tight basin
you better not tell me to do it at that heat lol
tawny anchor
any heat you want really
plain river
~~i had 3 32 heat runs when i did my first 40~~
I hate SD with a burning passion but am still learning to use it
It’s
tight basin
aren't you grinding darkness rn tho
plain river
So annoying but at the same time lc4 feels less painful then the other options
I’m taking a break from darkness hunting to get better at heat
plain river
any heat you want really
Standard 9 heat speedrun pact time
tight basin
and at the same time you can grind darkness because there's less stakes lol
i think part of the issue is that you're always changing aspects
obv nothing wrong with getting good with them all, but i think if you want to be able to clear heat consistently, i'd focus on like 1-3 weapons for a bit
and that'll help you with other weapons too tbh
tight basin
ayo based
plain river
This will be fineeeee
plain river
No need to worry about additive though
plain river
Ayo
plain river
what keepsake did you start?
Arrow
tight basin
based
plain river
Dio in tart blessed
tight basin
based
plain river
I took a chaos blessing for attack % but it’s lose hp per attack for 4 chambers lol
plain river
Oh bruh
3 poms in a row
All for my drunken flourish
Ohhhh bruh ares in tart endshop curse of vengeance
It’s all coming together
Lol
tight basin
are you running pride lol
plain river
Entering asphodel with deadly strike, lvl 4 dio flourish, perfect shot, chaos strike(+51%), curse of vengeance
plain river
are you running pride lol
No purely because nothing in this build cares about rarity aside from RD
tight basin
fair
plain river
Deadly strike: will have garbage additive either way
Dio flourish: rarity is worth a non-first pom
Passion dash:
Curse of vengeance: isn’t my core damage anyways
tight basin
okay but it would've been funny to get all 4 duos with pride
plain river
I guess I’m shooting for:
Low Tolerance, Curse of Nausea, Splitting Headache, Heartrend, Smouldering Air and Lightning Rod
tight basin
lmfao
plain river
Oh my gosh
Aphrodite stop tempting me with heartbreak strike exchanges
and no passion dash
tight basin
lmfao
plain river
Curse of nausea asphodel endshop
That’s good because I took a second maimed strike and I’m going to be unarguably against lernie
Unarguably against lernie took longer than I hoped
tight basin
lmfao
plain river
5:44 asphodel leave what is this, a typical @plain river run?
What’s the point in getting all this chaos additive if I’m never using my attack thanks to maimed
tight basin
lmfao
plain river
Oh bruh I hit triple shot
Bball doesn’t know what hit ‘im he was dead in 10 seconds
I still only have deadly strike and dio special as cores
Noooo
3rd chaos doesn’t have a maimed strike
tight basin
lmfao
plain river
I played it way too risky during heroes fight but
I mean sub9 heroes leave ain’t that bad
when I say sub9 I mean just barely sub9
8:58:25
plain river
I guess I’m shooting for:
Low Tolerance, Curse of Nausea, Splitting Headache, He...
In styx
I have arte strike and dio flourish as cores still, just picked up aphro dash and uhhhhh I might willingly take more chambers to be beefier for hades fight
“Willingly” nevermind, 4 sack or 5 sack at this point
Omg
It’s a 5 sack
rose nexus
The legendary 5 sack
cunning urchin
@plain river tough.
@rose nexus Deadly Strike + Heartbreak Flourish is the go-to Heart Rend build on Nemesis.
plain river
<@161644501624946688> Deadly Strike + Heartbreak Flourish is the go-to Heart Ren...
I’m always right except for when I’m left
turbid needle
is freezing vortex good
plain river
Oh bruh just triple shot shotgunned dad’s second phase hp from almost max to 50% bruh
plain river
is freezing vortex good
I would say it isn’t just because it’s slower and doesn’t have the tracking benefit of hunting blades so you can just miss a crap ton of damage
turbid needle
damn
plain river
Plus hunting blades and freezing vortex are incompatible
rose nexus
Mods moved messages :0
plain river
?
cunning urchin
Mods can't move messages lol.
turbid needle
why doesnt it make it slower on beowulf tho??
im on beowulf rn and its great
its still same size fsr i think
plain river
It might be how slicing flare and freezing vortex interact
tight basin
oh wait i get it now
tight basin
well on beo slicing flare just kinda sucks in general
and freezing vortex makes it somewhat usable
and it's probably the only place where freezing vortex is viable
plain river
<@161644501624946688> Deadly Strike + Heartbreak Flourish is the go-to Heart Ren...
Deadly Strike + Divine Flourish + Passion Dash is the go-to Heart Rend Deadly Reversal Parting Shot build on nem
tight basin
my cast still seems the same size at least on beowulf
beo slicing flare is huge to begin with, much bigger than the normal slicing shot
freezing vortex probably makes it about the same size as slicing shot
plain river
beo slicing flare is huge to begin with, much bigger than the normal slicing sho...
My thoughts exactly
tight basin
you're putting the rift right on top of enemies so that's probably the reason why you're getting good damage
turbid needle
oh i see
tight basin
and the slow keeps them in there for longer ofc
- Flood flare. self explanitory
- Passion flare. beeg damage, PS with snurst funny
- Trippy flare. beeger damage, has bugs, needs actual rng tho
- Hunter's flare. access to mirage is cute i guess, heart rend is also funny
- Divine(?) flare. idk probably just moderate damage, nothing fancy
- Slicing flare. kinda funny and not terrible but also pretty terrible
- Frost flare. bad pom scaling and the flare delay kinda wack
- Thunder flare. mirage dont work on it lmao
crappy flare tier list i made
plain river
you're putting the rift right on top of enemies so that's probably the reason wh...
And if you have engulfing vortex on top of that
tight basin
yeah
plain river
It’s just slicing flares last for like .2 seconds
tight basin
yeah it's super short, but tbh that's probably for the best
so that way you dont have to wait ages to get it back
plain river
Stygian slicing flare
tight basin
cringe
tight basin
what aspect are you best at
tight basin
main hestia and get carpal tunnel lmao
plain river
I’m just been rotating through following the dark blood thirst
tight basin
honestly stick with one and speedrun it
plain river
Zag bow time
tight basin
git gud with 1, take it to 32 heat
plain river
Oh actually
tight basin
that's what i did
plain river
I think sword and fist were without SD
tight basin
based
plain river
I will main zag bow
plain river
it’s my only sub10 weapon
tight basin
lmao idek how i got a sub10 on zag bow
explosive twin with heart rend
but honestly yeah if you want to get better at heat, you either keep doing heat or speedrun
plain river
CF is so cringe
plain river
Ok so I didn’t feel like spending 3 rerolls to find arte strike so I just took epic hunter dash
twin cloak
that's what i did
with bugwulf