#h1-builds-and-combat

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rose nexus
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How does hesty deal with dadds

tight basin
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just kill them

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300 damage with shackle

rose nexus
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(TL note: Dad adds)

tight basin
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with chaos buffs you can do more than 300

rose nexus
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Oh chaos is allowed hm

amber bobcat
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Lmk a Hera build

rose nexus
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Is Hermes allowed?

tight basin
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if you want to be super official, go to src

tight basin
rose nexus
amber bobcat
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Crush shot is aphros?

tight basin
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yes

amber bobcat
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Okay

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On attack?

rose nexus
tight basin
tight basin
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dem can work well if you want to use pstatus

amber bobcat
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Ok

tight basin
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oh snow burst is amazing on hera

amber bobcat
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Okay tysm

tight basin
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tdash just helps with styx because bows inherently are weaker there because of how small the chamber is

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although tbh you might not even need it

amber bobcat
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It's alr I'll get it

rose nexus
tight basin
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i think hermes and chaos are fine then

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not too sure on hermes but chaos for sure

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nonpurgables also work

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like premium vintage

rose nexus
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They donā€™t count? Based

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I just reset mirror for this lol

tight basin
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why'd you reset mirror

rose nexus
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Authority

tight basin
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oh makes sense

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dark foresight is still the play btw

rose nexus
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I donā€™t have both sides of the mirror maxed

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Is it

tight basin
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yeah

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ely is like nearly 100% gold laurels with DF

rose nexus
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I put it to the other because I figured it would make it easier to reroll things away from gods

tight basin
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without it you'll get some blue

rose nexus
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Styx tunnels

tight basin
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nah DF is really good

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you can stack a lot of hp

rose nexus
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I mean what gold do I want

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Hearts are blue no?

tight basin
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no

rose nexus
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Ah

tight basin
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blue laurels are meta game stuff

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hearts and obols are gold laurels

rose nexus
tight basin
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also since you're picking up minimal boons you'll likely be able to sell everything

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wait

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i meant gold lmfao

rose nexus
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I wonder if I can manip bouldy boon

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Got a sick 1% attack lol

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And then accidentally took healing from sissy

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So time to find out

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Answer: yes

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Ambiguity bouldy

lucid oar
rose nexus
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Yeah I just saw that on Reddit

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Selling heroic passion dash and hyper sprint after lernie = stonks

rose nexus
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Welp

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Dad got me but up til then it was going rather easily

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Iā€™ll try again another time perhaps

amber bobcat
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Can some1 suggest me a gd Rama build

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I just unlocked it rn

tight basin
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Start with a beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

turbid needle
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actually ares attack is best for rama trollirredeemable

tight basin
turbid needle
rose nexus
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Would ares attack on Rama apply doom to all the shared targets? šŸ’€

tight basin
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doubt it

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the same reason why it doesn't apply weak to everyone

rose nexus
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Rip

tight basin
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why you putting doom on the atk tho

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just put it on the special, that bounces between targets anyways

turbid needle
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i was memeing

rose nexus
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Rama was actually pretty easy to use when I tried it

tight basin
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it's not bad yeah

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fo2 speeder seekers tho

tight basin
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the good rama pasta

turbid needle
wicked adder
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so

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how can i find the leveling stuff for each boon

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im doing Math

rose nexus
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Wiki

wicked adder
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where on the wiki tho

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i dont see it

lucid oar
wicked adder
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bless

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damnit i was making my own spreadhseet and how i learn i fully do not need to lmao

wicked adder
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seems like the best way to upgrade really any cast is by getting chaos shot boons

lucid oar
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Mirage shot helps too

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And most casts wonā€™t do much damage at all unless theyā€™re level 4, ideally level 6

wicked adder
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huh?

lucid oar
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Casts scale crazy well with poms

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Eg crush shot goes from 90 -> 144 -> 181

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Double damage from level 1 to level 3

wicked adder
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slicing shot doesnt :(

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and thats my favorite cast

lucid oar
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Yeah that and crystal beam have slightly reduced scaling

wicked adder
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fmbskldjfj ur pfp

lucid oar
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101 damage btw

strange lark
wicked adder
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but i like slicing shot

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huh?

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i hate chaos shield

strange lark
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*abyssal blood

wicked adder
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can you guys be less uh

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idk

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mean

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for lodging casts it seems like aphro is the best

hexed lagoon
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Yeah that's why I dont take aphro cast. For cast I usually take arty or pos

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But I'm by no means an expert

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I'm just a guy who play hades without any guides

tight basin
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ngl any cast that lodges is gonna be better than aphro's unless you're playing hera or beo

wicked adder
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i mean you dont need range for melee

tight basin
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well beo doesn't lodge actually

wicked adder
tight basin
wicked adder
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but

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you can just get close

tight basin
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on bosses, boiling blood is really good

wicked adder
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simply move closer

tight basin
wicked adder
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get right up in their face press cast

tight basin
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having to get point blank and spend about 1 sec trying to lodge it can easily punish you

wicked adder
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and done

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a... a second?

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idk i havent done really high heat

tight basin
wicked adder
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no i mean

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why are you taking a full second

tight basin
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at high heat every second counts

tight basin
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it's not that short

wicked adder
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idk maybe im misremembering

tight basin
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typical combos (esp with on fists and hestia) have you start off with the cast generally because 1) travel time and 2) long throw time

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i mean that only helps with the range

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throwing the cast takes a bit of time

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sure it might be less than a second

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but also enemies hit faster than a second lol

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well maybe not on fo0

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i haven't turned off fo2 in months

wicked adder
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D:

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the first heat is timer

tight basin
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i mean, if you plan on climbing to higher heats it's probably one of the best to learn first

wicked adder
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i really like the uh

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the armored one

tight basin
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because once you learn fo2 it's nearly free

tight basin
wicked adder
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its maybe nto the easiest but i find it more interesting

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yes

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it introduces more variety to enemies

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so i like it

tight basin
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bp2 can suck at times depending on the room but yeah

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nice variety

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love the flamewheels that teleport behind you

wicked adder
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i havent done fo

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i should probably start

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i dunno like

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16

tight basin
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do fo2 immediately lmao it'll be fun trust me

wicked adder
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i mean i have two saves

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in one save i got up to 17 and in this one i got up to 15

tight basin
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you honestly dont need fo2 for 16

wicked adder
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the first save i just got bored of so ive restarted

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free?

tight basin
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it takes time to learn it bouldy

wicked adder
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oh huh

tight basin
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it's not free until like 20 runs later

wicked adder
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not allowed to swear?

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it messed me up when i tried it

tight basin
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the other pacts have a much smaller learning curve

thorn tendon
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donā€™t jump into fo2, get used to fo1 first

wicked adder
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ofc

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my heat i do is like

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timer 3

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uh

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ok i forget the rest.,

thorn tendon
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ngl fo1->2 doesnā€™t feel that bad

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but 0->1 kinda sucks when you start

wicked adder
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timer 3 bp 2 em 2 (i would do 3 but im not used to them yet) the miniboss one and the lil blue hearts

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the lil blue hearts may be a bad call

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but the other ones are completely fine

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the miniboss one is very free

tight basin
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dc is pretty bad lol

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depending on the aspect

wicked adder
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which?

tight basin
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damage control

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blue hearts

wicked adder
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i dont remember the names a lot

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oh right yeah

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it depends on weapon

tight basin
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for most aspects it's bad

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yeah

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negates a whole cast

wicked adder
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cant you just special first

tight basin
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and if you didn't hit the atk, 2 casts

tight basin
wicked adder
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wind up?

tight basin
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time between you hitting the button and actually throwing it

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it's not lag

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it's legitimately, zag pulling the shield back and then throwing it lol

wicked adder
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its not immediate?

tight basin
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not for beo

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other shields it's more immediate

wicked adder
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honesrly i dont have really any. like

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reaction time

tight basin
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well, it's not like "there goes my frames" lag

wicked adder
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i cant see stuff happening and react quickly

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i just have to learn to anticipate things

tight basin
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the game is built on a good bit of anticipation yeah

wicked adder
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yeah yeah same

thorn tendon
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smash has the worst terms

wicked adder
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my stupidest hades move is that i dont use the blitz sheild bc i dont like zeus

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but also i fully forget to special on shield anyways i just use zag

tight basin
wicked adder
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i never understood how u were supposed to use chaos

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it doesnt seem difficult at all i just forget to click the button

tight basin
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turn on dc2 and then you'll wont forget it lmao

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or get explosive return on it so you dont waste the hammer lol

wicked adder
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wym waste

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honestly tbh i have no idea what like. hammer strats are

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how to use hammers

tight basin
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explosive return is a special based hammer

wicked adder
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ya ik

tight basin
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if you dont use the blitz disk it'd be a waste of a hammer

wicked adder
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yes

tight basin
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i mean sometimes you dont have a choice and it does become wasted

wicked adder
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i lik,e the multibomb hammers for gun

tight basin
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but explosive return is the best zeus shield hammer

wicked adder
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i really like gun

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i got my fastest run on it the other day

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i used to hate it which is funny

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it was like my slowest weapon

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omg same

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except i saw that online

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idk who randy is

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damn

tight basin
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lmfao

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rip randy

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frandy

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js3 bouldy

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what heat is this btw

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why no lc4 sd

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lc4 will get rid of js completely

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also get rid of dc, you want the rocket/bomb to get fiery presence

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fiery doesnt work with dc

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i mean sure i guess but you're still on a timer

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and styx might shaft you

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the most i'd go is js1

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and em3 honestly isn't that bad

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you have range

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range/melee because eris

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have you at least done it once

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then that's enough tbh

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you'll be fine tbh

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drop to em2 and js1, take lc4 and hl1

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or hl2 if you drop to dc1

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aight then

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ely might suck

lucid oar
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Why lc0

rose nexus
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I wish Hestia wasnā€™t so clunky

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šŸ˜¦

tight basin
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zeus flourish

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good % based atk

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get jolted if you want

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ngl that's pretty much it lol

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finding splitting would be nice

twin cloak
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heartbreak strike

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charged shot

tight basin
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explosive return

tight basin
twin cloak
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u need jolted

tight basin
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jolted is a suggestion

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if you want

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take egg lol

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if you already have arty atk and since you already used signet not much else you can take tbh

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well

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higher rarity

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40% chance for rare

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a good chaos boon can go a long way

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idk lmao

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no clue

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i'd take egg because it'd be funny

twin cloak
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rolls work kinda weird in this game

tight basin
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and also practical a bit

twin cloak
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it rolls legendary/duo, if it fails it rolls epic, if that fails it rolls rare

tight basin
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yeah

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how much special and health

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and what's the con

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special % isn't so bad

twin cloak
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special damage kinda useless tho

tight basin
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yeah

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but what else do you want from chaos on zeus

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atk?

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i guess roll for atk if you want

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or take the hp

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neither do i and i did 45 lol

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based

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yeah

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nothing wrong with more hp

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probably not lol

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yeah

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um

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opens splitting iirc

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yeah it does

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i'd take it

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lmfao

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ngl the only good zeus boons are jolt and splitting, but the fact that 3 others can open splitting is so nice

plain river
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Bruh

tight basin
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you're nearly guaranteed to get a prereq for splitting

twin cloak
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double strike doesn't suck wdym

tight basin
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unless you get like dash, reflexes, and vengeance

tight basin
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double strike is nice yeah

plain river
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The game gives me hoarding slash right after I ended my hoarding slash meme run and picked up nem for beating my sword pb

tight basin
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do it again

plain river
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You donā€™t undersrand I ended the run earlier because I didnā€™t find it

tight basin
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oh

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so do it now

plain river
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but now itā€™s giving it to me with cruel thrust and dash nova as my other hammers

turbid needle
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hoarding slash is so bad

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literally useless

plain river
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I completely rearranged my mirror and switched off bouldy shadegrief

tight basin
twin cloak
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could be world splitter

turbid needle
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jokes on you I play arthur

tight basin
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hoarding slash arthur is gaming

turbid needle
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LOL

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no thanks

twin cloak
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play arthur
i think that puts the joke on you

wraith blade
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I thought sword was bad
then i beat EM4 hades with nemisis
dash go brrt i guess

turbid needle
tight basin
turbid needle
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why does everyone hate arthur

wraith blade
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The 2nd most powerful lifeform

tight basin
turbid needle
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you mean BRRRR

tight basin
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skill issue

wraith blade
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yeah i was about to ask, i unlocked Arthuur, accidentally gave up and overwrote the awakening, is it good

plain river
tight basin
twin cloak
turbid needle
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absolutely arthur. arthur is by far the best sword aspect and dont let anyone tell you otherwise. arthur has no downsides, while nemesis does have a downside, and its that your attacks deal less damage. being able to crit is completely irrelevant if the base damage is low, but having more damage and coverage is clearly better. what even is a "critical chance" anyway? what a terrible name. "massive damage numbers" is the stuff im after. just think how much cooler it is to be able to do 4000 damage in one hit compared to just lazily spamming dash strike. and dont even get me started on the design of the swords. the aspect of arthur design clearly surperior, because it is flipping huge, while nemesis is tiny. who doesnt like big swords? not me! and also, arthur (the character) is just objectively cooler and more chad than nemesis, who is neither cool nor chad. this is why the aspect of nemesis on the stygian blade, is clearly worse than the aspect of arthur, i mean,

wraith blade
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why the FFF are you using SD over 3 DD

tight basin
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arthur isn't bad, it's just very hit or miss by how much you like it lol

tight basin
plain river
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Lets go antos just shreded sneak for me

tight basin
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based

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git gud

wraith blade
twin cloak
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high heat power couple actually gives me an aneurysm

tight basin
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same

wraith blade
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Artemis and Aphro with Nemisis is too good to pass up

tight basin
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as a design, arthur is absolutely based

wraith blade
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45% chance to crit with a 350% crit (with rend) is just too much

tight basin
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playing wise is a bit pain

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yes it's an arthur skill issue

turbid needle
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to be fair, I have massive non arthur sword skill issue

plain river
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Thatā€™s called you are cringe and Iā€™mnā€™t

wraith blade
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I've also been using demeter for the Critcal Shoryuken but is the 4th aspect good for it

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havent seen it yet

turbid needle
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also, spamming dash strike into everything is kinda lame

twin cloak
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sword stinks

tight basin
wraith blade
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deadly flourish

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spelled wrong lol

lucid oar
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I wonder what the ratio of hammer:fds is for each aspect

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I reckon hestia is the most in favour for hammer

tight basin
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flat damage soup

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rd and flat damage

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basically

lucid oar
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Get epic rd and a bunch of things

plain river
lucid oar
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Like jolted, shoals, doom, pp

plain river
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/s

turbid needle
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is /s serious or sarcastic

wraith blade
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what is conch even saying rn

tight basin
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flat damage soup is good

wraith blade
turbid needle
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ok

plain river
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hmmm

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Could be either here

turbid needle
plain river
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Perhaps I shouldā€™ve put /s^2

wraith blade
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My builds somehow always tend to never go outside the 4 A's

twin cloak
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dedge is best arthur hammer but not doing attack combo makes you do like 20% dps

wraith blade
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they're just too good

plain river
lucid oar
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AAAAAAAAAAAAA

tight basin
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true

wraith blade
tight basin
wraith blade
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in that set

lucid oar
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Me getting sneak when I donā€™t have cshot on beo

plain river
tight basin
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lmfao

plain river
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I like everything in the game

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Get on my level

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šŸ’Ŗ

turbid needle
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sneak is everyones fav miniboss

strange lark
wraith blade
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No

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i win

strange lark
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Athena is the only good god

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Prove me wrong

lucid oar
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Time for a poll

plain river
twin cloak
wraith blade
turbid needle
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dionysus best god

lucid oar
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Should I submit my recent 5:56 to sr.com since itā€™s 0.08s faster than my current uploaded pb

turbid needle
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dionysus is LC4s best friend

tight basin
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even though src doesn't count milliseconds

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do it

plain river
lucid oar
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My actual pb isnā€™t on there forā€¦ reasons

strange lark
tight basin
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TRUE

plain river
tight basin
turbid needle
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why does everyone hate luci

tight basin
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we dont

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luci is based

strange lark
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Should I submit 185's sword sub6 since he didn't submit it

lucid oar
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Sure

tight basin
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it's just that thegamer is hilarious

turbid needle
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I hate every rail

tight basin
plain river
tight basin
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you

strange lark
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Me

tight basin
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and him

plain river
strange lark
plain river
strange lark
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Reset

lucid oar
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Mood

turbid needle
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skill issue

lucid oar
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Ok wtf

plain river
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Zagreus the rail is actually the best melee aspect

turbid needle
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bad

twin cloak
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bruh i just lost an sd to butterfly ball and i'm on 54 heat

wraith blade
plain river
lucid oar
plain river
wraith blade
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i just hate using the rail period

twin cloak
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are you building it correctly

tight basin
strange lark
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Rail is stinky stinky poo poo

turbid needle
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I like arthur, zeus and rama

plain river
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Ok but why in response to my ā€œzagreus the rail is the best melee aspectā€ comment

wraith blade
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every other weapon is fine though i still have to learn a good bow build

plain river
strange lark
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Ares attack Athena special Athena dash merciful end

wraith blade
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my weapons are
Fists
Spear
Sword

with

strange lark
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Fists are not a weapon

lucid oar
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FireSafetySuperman

wraith blade
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Grandma
Dad
Nemesis

turbid needle
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who

wraith blade
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aspects

lucid oar
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FistsSwordSpear

plain river
strange lark
wraith blade
strange lark
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Wait hades spear is super based

turbid needle
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what happened to unholypancake

lucid oar
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Median hades user

plain river
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Hades spear is super based

wraith blade
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Hold on

lucid oar
twin cloak
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standard deviation hades user

turbid needle
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sadge, any reason why?

strange lark
plain river
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Just explosive launcher charged skewer high roll and win

plain river
lucid oar
wraith blade
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there we go

turbid needle
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šŸ˜­

wraith blade
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now it's true

lucid oar
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And those complains were met with ā€œof course itā€™s hardā€

turbid needle
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lol

plain river
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Dad spear is super based because you just get explosive launcher charged skewer and win

turbid needle
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I don't plan on going above 40

plain river
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itā€™s that easy

wraith blade
plain river
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Just get 2 specific hammers

strange lark
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I don't plan on going above 64

tight basin
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i dont plan on going above 0

plain river
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I donā€™t plan on going under 0 heat

tight basin
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i get all my titan blood from trades

plain river
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or actually I donā€™t plan on going under 9 heat ever again

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fo2 em2 is too gaming

wraith blade
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negative heat is just god mode

plain river
wraith blade
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i forgor what fo is lmao

twin cloak
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i mean at a certain point heat is just 'get lucky with your build lol'

wraith blade
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i probably put it on my last run

wraith blade
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thats when

plain river
lucid oar
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62 heat no UC

wraith blade
proper furnace
plain river
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Caps out at 2

strange lark
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I play without boons

lucid oar
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I play without Bloons

turbid needle
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I dont play hades

tight basin
strange lark
plain river
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I play bouldy tower defence 4

lucid oar
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Based

wraith blade
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well better be lucky before you're forced to purge the main part of the build lol

strange lark
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Me when prince of darkness is literally Zagreus zagshock zagshock zagshock zagshock

lucid oar
plain river
tight basin
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you can still be shafted if every boon you have is good lmao

lucid oar
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Prince of darkness is outdated name

wraith blade
twin cloak
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king of darkness

plain river
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Prince of bl**d and d*rkn*ss

wraith blade
tight basin
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i mean

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going into styx

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if you have only good boons and you have to sell one

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it just sucks

strange lark
tight basin
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i had to sell jolted on my 40 heat zeus run

twin cloak
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midroll builds

wraith blade
lucid oar
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RestingTerror95

tight basin
strange lark
tight basin
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i will smite you

lucid oar
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Zagbow

tight basin
#

luci

strange lark
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Lvl 0 rail

twin cloak
#

demeter fists

wraith blade
tight basin
#

MEowulf is funny

strange lark
lucid oar
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Luck issue

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You mean you have confirmation bias

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And tendency to not fill out cores/pool or use gods pride

wraith blade
strange lark
#

Me when my bias is confirmation

lucid oar
#

šŸ‘‰šŸ‘ˆ

strange lark
lucid oar
#

Thereā€™s the problem

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Are you resetting if you donā€™t have 2 ME pieces by furies

strange lark
#

Use Olympian favor gods legacy

lucid oar
#

Do that then

wraith blade
lucid oar
#

Tbh reset for ME, dash, level 5 cropped doom, level 3 impending and +3 dashes

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Before midboss

tight basin
#

technically possible lmao

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except the levels

strange lark
#

Use codex mod

twin cloak
tight basin
#

true

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you should've used at least 3 by now lmao

lucid oar
#

Using Meg is muscle memory at this point

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If I donā€™t use it, it feels weird

wraith blade
#

i picked thanatos because i said so

twin cloak
#

i dont really want to talk about it

lucid oar
#

Ski lift shoe

proper furnace
#

which one is giant bother again

lucid oar
#

Big bomb dude

twin cloak
#

the easy one

lucid oar
#

Has like no hp

wraith blade
#

oop

tight basin
#

rip

twin cloak
lucid oar
#

Bruh

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What aspect

twin cloak
#

gy toxic

lucid oar
#

Oh that makes more sense

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Tbh I canā€™t talk about my gy clear, it was basically 45 heat

amber bobcat
#

Uh also why does everyone hate Poseidon's attack I just wanna know

tight basin
#

very low % bonus

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and the knockback can be more hurtful than helpful on your atk most of the time

plain river
#

wait

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bananas

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Stop saying all my words

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Before I can

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Bananas is just a copy cat with a time machine to steal my words

tight basin
#

you were literally 10 min late

amber bobcat
#

Damn

plain river
#

You asked about his attack

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His dash is good

amber bobcat
#

Oh nvm

plain river
amber bobcat
#

Okay okay

plain river
#

Big difderence

tight basin
#

git gud

amber bobcat
#

@tight basin sry for the ping but can u suggest me a detailed Demeter fists build like u did for rama

plain river
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or dio fists aphrodite special curse of vengeance

amber bobcat
#

I'll try to make it work any specific hammer boons?

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Wdym

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Oh ok

tight basin
#

Breaching

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Or explosive upper

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Also I didn't make the rama thing that's a copypasta

amber bobcat
tight basin
#

Here

plain river
#

Explosive upper as works excellent

amber bobcat
#

Asking for a Beowulf build again cause the last one was too specific

lucid oar
#

What was the last one you were given

amber bobcat
#

Hold on

amber bobcat
lucid oar
#

I mean

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Thatā€™s a good guide

amber bobcat
#

It's kinda hard to get em all

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Ik it's gd

tight basin
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or just do flood flare, arty atk, mirage shot

lucid oar
#

You donā€™t have to get both Demeter and mirage

tight basin
#

that's a lot easier

lucid oar
#

Go for one or the other

amber bobcat
#

Okay okay

lucid oar
amber bobcat
#

Hammer boons?

tight basin
#

cshot

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ferocious guard

amber bobcat
#

Okay ty

twin cloak
#

Unyielding Defense

spark kite
#

Question to the speedrun gamers:
Do you deliberately not pick up call boons so you can take Hades into Styx, or do you just take Hades into Styx if you don't find a good call boon by then?

strange lark
#

yeah but usually not for that reason

tight basin
#

I think sigil is only used for like castpects

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Mainly Hera and beo

strange lark
#

picking up a call can add some extra hermes boons into the pool

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which isnt good

tight basin
#

Because it has a higher burst damage

gusty rapids
#

sigil is used fairly universally, its a very good call. not on every aspect but its good everywhere

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its most noticeable on burst aspects like hera/beo though, yes

spark kite
#

Aight, thanks ^^

gusty rapids
#

fwiw, if you already have hermes, then zeus call is a really solid option for a lot of weapons (eris, achilles, swords, etc), often being better than dad call if you can get a pom or 2 in it or some supporting boons. dionysus call is also solid

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both of those allow you to take something like acorn instead of sigil into styx, which is neat. ultimately depends a little on the run, and you'll almost never take a call other than zeus, dio, or hades

spark kite
#

Interesting. Demeter not that good?

twin cloak
#

Ares call šŸ”„šŸ”„

spark kite
#

I guess she's not that fast, is she?

gusty rapids
#

no she doesn't really do much damage

twin cloak
#

its kinda slow and doesn't really do anything

gusty rapids
#

much better in like high heat contexts for example

spark kite
#

I see. Yeah.

twin cloak
#

dem call heat is just "you had ap2 and didn't have any other choice"

cunning urchin
#

Demeter's Aid is great in high heat.

strange lark
#

it was used in ykc's 62 heat clear

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must be the best call in the game

tight basin
#

True

rose nexus
#

Dem call is just not good with smair

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Itā€™s not a bad call overall

cunning urchin
#

It's good with Smair, though.

#

Easy 10 stacks of chill in a wide AOE.

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Also lots of hits to deal with DC2 and Savior.

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Fight a room of FO2 Speeders without any way to inflict Chill and then fight that room again with Demeter's Aid.

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Same goes for any EM FO2 boss.

rose nexus
#

Sounds good, I just donā€™t like the gauge filling up and not being able to call again because itā€™s still going šŸ˜­

tight basin
#

Can you not have 2 of dem's small call in place at the same time

rose nexus
#

Pretty sure it wonā€™t let you do it again but someone with codex mod can test

tender latch
muted sun
#

Just tried out guan yu. I died cause its low level but my god this weapon does so much freaking DAMAGE

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I kinda see why they gotta nerf the health this thing is nuts once you get ME

#

Ive never played a ME weapon so this is new to me

#

Are they ALL this cracked? PauseChamp

tight basin
#

Any melee weapon can run ME

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Sword fist shield spear

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Certain aspects can't from those

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But for the most part it's really solid

muted sun
#

I play 2 rails a bow and a spear

tight basin
#

Eris can run ME

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zag rail can too, with or without spreadfire I believe

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I guess by extension hestia can as well but the empowered shot is much stronger lol

muted sun
#

I figured eris can run ME. It feels like it can just play almost whatever it wants

tight basin
#

Well what makes it great with eris is the global 75% boost lol

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It's like a free impending without the time loss

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And then you can get impending on top of that

muted sun
#

That 75% makes most things great tbh

#

Cause thats an absurd buff

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Yeah uh I dont think Im playing ME on hera bossman

#

Unless...

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Athena cast ares attack ME hera coming soon

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Actually, that sounds really fun with lightning phalanx and chain shot

plain river
plain river
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wait I didnā€™t mean to @ you there sorry

thorn tendon
#

wait wrong channel

tight basin
#

Based

muted sun
thorn tendon
#

does guan yu tempest strike qualify as super soaker

tight basin
#

Yeah

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Slap sea storm on that and it's pretty good allegedly

thorn tendon
#

i mean the spin

spark kite
#

I have 2 more rail bounties to claim before I (presumably) won't touch the rail for a very long time. Any memes that I should give a shot before? (pun intended)

cunning urchin
#

To be clear, the build is Curse of Agony + Divine Flourish (needed to unlock Merciful End) + Divine Dash + Merciful End.

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And Spread Fire.

spark kite
#

Okay that does sound funny xD

plain river
cunning urchin
plain river
#

They asked for memes
You gave them not memes

cunning urchin
#

Kelban ā€” Today at 10:41 AM
Okay that does sound funny xD

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I consider that a win.

plain river
#

Kelban -Today at 4:41 am
Said that
My timezone is cooler
I guess you win though

spark kite
#

I haven't considered that build yet (in part bc I've done my bounties with Luci so far) and it sounds like a fun build to try. ^^

plain river
#

Spreadfire zag rail is always a joy to play

spark kite
cunning urchin
#

It is a time to do that. It may not be the best time, but it is a time.

plain river
#

I have to be awake in 2 hours if I sleep now Iā€™m going to not wake up in time

cunning urchin
#

A time among many.

spark kite
spark kite
#

Can someone give me a rundow of the most important, easiest to implement speedrun strats and builds? I'm currently thinking I wanna go with Beowulf, but I'm open to suggestions.

cunning urchin
spark kite
#

So I already figured out that I wanna have FO2 and EM2 in terms of heat, and I wanna take Hades' keepsake into Styx most of the time.

#

Uh that looks handy. Thx

cunning urchin
#

Great starting point.

lucid oar
#

Up to date too

feral night
#

beo is very fun, gl

spark kite
#

Yeah I got that from the video guide. Thx ^^

feral night
#

oh yeah i forgot the vid talked about the weps

tender latch
#

Actually

#

If you're on vanilla, hera probably has a better number of good hammers

#

Eris really wants rocket bomb, and ideally cluster as 2nd hammer, but hera can make do with pretty much any attack hammer

#

The best one for it is flurry, but that can be hard to control anyway

#

For speed, 1000%

#

1: rocket does more damage
2: faster rocket = less likely you'll miss
3: faster rocket = you can activate eris boost extremely easily and quickly
4: you get a chance at clockets

cunning urchin
#

But Perfect and Point-Blank are still alright.

#

If you're not going for like a top 5 time or whatever.

tender latch
#

Hence "make do"

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Unmodded eris = no rocket bomb without resetting = misery

gusty rapids
#

most often no actually

#

the first boon does a lot for most aspects

#

yeah because charged shot on beowulf is strong enough to blast through tartarus without a cast, so as long as you get ur cast in the next several chambers ur good

#

however a lot of weapons simply arenā€™t that strong so they lose time in the early chambers without their first boon

gusty rapids
#

not necessarily

#

beowulf, achilles, and nemesis all like hammer starts a lot

#

on hera and hestia hammer starts are ok but I prefer boon starts

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eris prefers boon start imo

amber bobcat
#

Omfg croven

#

Big fan

strange lark
#

I only like little | gremlin

gusty rapids
#

whats up

split oak
loud fossil
#

Hey, i had a question about boost, are they additive or multiplicative, for example is a 80 percent aphro boon on special+ 50 percent for chaos 270% or 130%? Do crits work the same way?Also for damage reduction, or oceans bounty+chaos boon?

plain river
#

Crits are multiplicative every other +% to damage dealt is additive

#

unless it says +% base damage*

plain river
#

move speed, although you didnā€™t ask, is multiplicative as well

loud fossil
#

What about dodge chance?

plain river
#

Additive

loud fossil
#

Tyty

plain river
#

I think guan-yu + life affirmation is the only case where this comes up but I believe max hp gains are multiplicative

proper furnace
#

There is move speed-trap dmg being multiplicative too

plain river
#

Enemy damage is additive I think? I could be wrong

#

Obols gains are additive

#

no clue about whether rarity chance is additive or multiplicative

loud fossil
#

For eris rail is zeus better than dyno on attack?

rose nexus
#

Theyā€™re both good

#

Zeus clears groups quicker tho

strange lark
#

zeus is better

#

if you get jolted

rose nexus
#

Ricochet fire helps dio clear groups

#

What fists should I do for dio

#

Sounds like a fun build

loud fossil
#

Sorry

rose nexus
#

Me with lv0 zagfists;

loud fossil
strange lark
rose nexus
#

Good idea

loud fossil
#

What else should you Prioritize on eris rail?

#

Other than aphro

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And rocket bomb

plain river
#

Cluster

strange lark
#

poseidon dash

tender latch
# loud fossil What else should you Prioritize on eris rail?

General top build is rocket into cluster bomb, zeus attack, art special, splash dash, and jolted with decent rarity and poms. It's really nice since besides those and obvious stuff like chaos flourish/hyper delivery you don't really care what boons you get

loud fossil
#

Ty

spare flare
#

Is there a consolidated tier list of hammers by aspect? I thought that I saw one once, but it was long ago, so maybe it needs an update/is divisive/something.

plain river
#

I donā€™t think so

tight basin
plain river
#

True

#

Charged shot ferocious guard always good

#

Cursed slash flurry world splitter dash nova bad

#

flurry good
Exploding good

#

twin shot triple shot good

tight basin
#

The only hammer on rail that sticks out as bad is seeking fire iirc

spare flare
#

Currently using Aspect of Zeus.

#

Seeking Fire is bad?

plain river
#

Exploding return good

spare flare
#

Really? That used to be considered awful.

tight basin
tight basin
#

Other shields it's awful on

spare flare
#

Okay, I see.

tight basin
#

It's only 24

#

And you can copy paste a few of them lmao

#

Like every sword is gonna be the same basically except Arthur can use shadow slash

strange lark
tight basin
#

Every shield is the same except Zeus can use explosive return

#

Spear is either flurry or explosive charged

strange lark
#

or chain skewer

tight basin
#

Fists is all the same, all fists can benefit from explosive upper really
Just gonna be higher up on Dems list

#

Bow is nearly all the same except rama doesn't want explosive

#

And triple would be lower

#

Rail idrk

#

Zag can use spread fire, hesty can get more value out of piercing and ricochet I guess

#

Luci is probably like the only aspect out of all of them to have a relatively different tier list compared to other weapons of the same category

plain river
#

Luci has like

#

Triple bomb

spare flare
#

So definitely no agreeable tier lists, then?

plain river
#

well

#

None have been made
And itā€™s kinda personal preference in a way

loud fossil
#

Whats good on attack fr zeus shield?

plain river
#

aphrodite
Athena also good

loud fossil
#

Ty

spare flare
#

What about the special?

loud fossil
#

Also is posiden on special decent for sea storm?

#

Im not running it rn but wondering

loud fossil
spare flare
#

Rn?

loud fossil
#

Yes

spare flare
#

Right now? Are we expecting more patches?

loud fossil
#

Sorry, think i was confused

tight basin
#

Lmao

#

It's definitely Zeus

tight basin
loud fossil
#

Even with sea storm posiden isnt worth it?

tight basin
#

Not worth it

loud fossil
#

Ok ty

tight basin
#

% on Zeus special isn't good to begin with

#

And it'll be a bit before you actually get sea storm

plain river
#

why are you ysing pos special

spare flare
#

Okay, so that's why Thunder Flourish, Drunken Flourish, and Flourish of Doom are good for that.

tight basin
#

Well for Zeus shield, thunder flourish is still gonna be the best by a long shot

#

And you start with that for keepsakes

spare flare
#

Followed by Arctic with Arctic Blast, right?

tight basin
#

No

#

Well

#

Maybe I guess

spare flare
#

Frost Flourish, I mean.

tight basin
#

I get what you mean

#

Doesn't mean it's a good idea

spare flare
#

Like, rating against- Yeah, okay.

#

I mean, in terms of "if you built for something else and are down to just a few boons left, these would work, in this order of priority."

plain river
#

Only shield super soaker is cshot pos strike

#

Itā€™s about the projectile bouldy

spare flare
#

Whoa, Poseidon just gave me an entire free diamond.

#

I didn't know that that was a thing.

plain river
#

Thatā€™s literally not what I mean

#

Itā€™s the shape of it

tight basin
plain river
#

Fire rate isnā€™t the only thing that makes super soaker super

#

Itā€™s the power

#

But also
The shape of the projectile

spare flare
plain river
#

Bruh

#

I am trying to

#

explain

#

Itā€™s about the shape of the water

#

Itā€™s the shape not the speed

tight basin
plain river
#

the speed does not matter

#

The speed does not make zeus special a super soaker

#

Because it lacks the shape

#

Facts

spare flare
#

How do we feel about Flurry Jab? Achilles aspect, naturally.

tight basin
#

best hammer for achilles

spare flare
#

Kinda' had that feeling, but glad to hear it. Thanks!

plain river
#

Best hammer for spear

#

Except hades and guan-yu canā€™t pick it up

wraith blade
#

Can someone tell me why I'm bored enough to use a build i called Guncles (Zeus and Poseidon, thier duo amd eris aspect)

tight basin
tight basin
wraith blade
#

What is it

#

This build you mean

tight basin
#

zeus atk, arty/aphro special, poseidon dash

plain river
wraith blade
tight basin
#

actually tdash isn't a prereq for sea storm

#

so flood shot as well i guess

tight basin
#

tdash is universally good tho

wraith blade
#

Yes

#

Divine Dash is just above it for me tho

tight basin
#

idk man as ddash is pretty good yeah

wraith blade
#

Getting to mash for free sign me up

plain river
wraith blade
#

Jkjk there's too much crap on tidal that you can clear a room by dashing in 2 seconds

tight basin
#

styx lol

wraith blade
#

Press dash to win is literally tidal dash

cunning urchin
tight basin
#

zeus atk?

#

i'm not putting that on rama

#

or arthur

#

or beo

cunning urchin
#

But it would work though.

plain river
tight basin
#

anything can work until a certain heat point bouldy

#

that's a really low bar to pass

cunning urchin
#

Lightning Strike Beowulf gud anyway.

plain river
#

Lightning strike beo gives you sea storm šŸ§ 

#

Or smair

#

Or scillanting feast

cunning urchin
#

It gives you Static Discharge.

tight basin
#

get it on the dash then and get a better atk boon bouldy

cunning urchin
#

You're underestimating it ngl.

spare flare
#

Got epic Heartbreak Flourish, epic Zeus's Aid, Smoldering Air and have +37% Abyssal Favor, and I'm just leaving Tartarus. This is a good run.

plain river
#

Just hit static discharge and win

rose nexus
#

Zeus aids

tight basin
#

hey google when was the first instance of aids

#

this is a greek mythology moment

spare flare
#

Oh, right, and epic Static Discharge.

rose nexus
#

Zeus aids and epic discharge

#

You need to go to the clinic

tight basin
#

lmfao

plain river
#

Iā€™m gonna darkness farm once with every aspect to see which ones work best

#

Gotta get that darkness for mr resource director

tight basin
#

i mean it's just whichever has poseidon as part of their core

#

and one that you can start with

plain river
#

Which aspect isnā€™t an aspect of tdash

tight basin
#

well issue is that you'd want to start with it

#

others hold off until later in the run to get it

#

because it's not that necessary

#

unless you see in naturally in tart and then you take it

plain river
#

Oceans bounty is what I want

tight basin
#

yeah ik

plain river
#

And hopefully go into exclusive access for chaos

tight basin
#

better to get it early

plain river
#

Eclipse is so good

tight basin
#

could do hesty and get arthritis if you start tdash

plain river
#

Last I checked I was mid way through zag spear

#

I think the time between 100% and 50% dad hp for phase 2 on my sword run was under 10 seconds
On zag sword

#

I may be remembering wrong though

spare flare
#

First boon of Asphodel: Sweet Nectar.

#

[clinic attendance intensifies]

plain river
#

Smh shouldā€™ve got it in tartarus /s

spare flare
#

Roiling Eclipse for 137%. Man. If I die in this run, I'ma go commit toaster bath.

tight basin
#

duos do not make a run

#

also isn't roiling more enemies lol

plain river
tight basin
#

that's probably not gonna be fun

plain river
tight basin
#

i do love meself a roiling chaos boon in my speedrun

tight basin
plain river
#

I love myself any eclipse

tight basin
#

i threw my em3 fight with patty sd last night because i was 1 pixel in a theseus bomb

#

and i had mirage

plain river
tight basin
#

wait it's at the start of my video lemme grab it real quick

cunning urchin
tight basin
#

it does 105 damage bouldy

#

i can't tell if that's because of hl or hs

#

pretty sure it's hs tho

cunning urchin
#

HL5 + Beowulf.

tight basin
#

is base damage for those bombs like 50 or something then

cunning urchin
#

Yep.

tight basin
#

because i really dont remember the damage for those lol

#

oh joy

spare flare
#

Do Sweet Nectar and Pom Blossom interact?

tight basin
#

no

rose nexus
#

Pom blossom gives mini Poms

spare flare
#

Okay, thought not. Thanks.

#

Wow, Breaching Skewer, Extending Jab, and Serrated Point all from one hammer. Hard to choose.

#

Thoughts?

rose nexus
#

Serrated is a very based spear hammer

spare flare
#

Agreed, but if I already have Flurry Jab, do those go together well?

plain river
#

Take breaching or extending not serrated

#

Serrated and flurry mix badly